February 27, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and author Caroline Cory discuss her theories on the afterlife and where we go after leaving the physical realm, her near death experience after surviving a serious car crash, and how to prove that the afterlife and consciousness truly exist.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now Here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Noori with you, Caroline Corey with Us.
Caroline as an award winning filmmaker author. A couple of
her books include The Divine Plan, God among Us and
founder of the Omnium Method of Energy Medicine and Consciousness Studies. Caroline,
did you enjoy our panel A Conscious Life?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh? My god, it was so fun And I didn't
know you were so funny. Your jokes are awesome. You
did a great job.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We do that at some of our live stage shows
that way, and folks really look forward to it. We
break them up and we had people in stitches, didn't we.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I mean I didn't know. I have never seen
that show. I heard about it, but yeah, it was
a blast.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've seen you on Ancient Aliens. How you been?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah? Good? Actually, I just filmed like three episodes like
a month. So do you believe like it says season
what seventeen or something?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
In nice? And it was one of the ideas of
Giorgio Sukolos and what a brilliant guy he is.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
He is. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What's your take on the afterlife? You believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, definitely, I believe it. You know, I think I
told you my story a few times. I mean, I
told the story a few times. You know. I've been
seeing spirit and energy, subtle energy, like since I was
a child, and so you know, I kind of already
(01:43):
knew since I was a kid that there's something beyond
the physical. So growing up with these experiences just kept
me open to what is that, you know, what is
beyond the physical and where do we goure we pass?
So sometimes I would see a deceased relative of someone
(02:05):
I'm working with. Sometimes I would see like angels, and
so so it's a very comfortable subject for me, you know,
And and I guarantee that there isn't afterlife. I've seen
people actually pass and somehow get stuck here and I've
(02:29):
got to help them transition to other planes of reality.
So I mean, I've experienced that whole world just so
many times myself, and also through working with clients for
years and years and years. So it's definitely a true thing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Did you ever have any doubts of its existence?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Not really, like I said, because you know, it's always
been part of my life to see beyond the physical
so it's you know, and like I said, sometimes I
would have clients who have a child or a friend
or a relative who's in a coma. I see them
(03:14):
leave the body, go somewhere else and then come back.
And then a lot of people call me because their
parent or grandparent is about to transition, and so I
get to see kind of where they're headed and who's
on the other side. So it's it's I've never really
(03:39):
had any doubt, no, especially I also had my own NDE,
so yeah, it's definitely true. Tell us about Actually it
was when I was seventeen, so about ten years ago,
and it was a car I had a very very
(04:01):
bad car accident. Yeah, I mean the car was completely totaled.
I hit my head on the dashboard, I broke my nose,
my cheekbones. Yeah, no seatbelt of course, kids, you know,
(04:23):
and you know the guy I was with, like he
had a few too many to drink, and you know,
he was showing off his new car. You know, silly
stuff too, you know. So of course, so I remember
just the the you know, like the the impact and
(04:44):
then I kind of slipped like under the seat, and
I remember somebody pulling me out of the window because
the door wouldn't open. And then I laid on the
on the sidewalks for a very long time, I think,
which felt like a very long time until the ambulance
(05:05):
came or something. And this is where I left my body.
So the rest of the time I was kind of
hovering above my body. The next time I saw the body,
I was already on a like on an operating table
and so and I kind of witnessed the operation because
(05:28):
my nose was very badly fractured. So that's kind of
how it's interesting because I didn't remember the NDE at
that time, like when I woke up from the operation.
Everything else, I remembered it later, and I don't know
why that is, but yeah, so that's how it happened
(05:50):
for me.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Which is kind of interesting too, is because when you
leave your body at the scene of the accident, you
probably followed it to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, so, because like I passed out on
the sidewalk and then the next thing, yeah, I was
already in the operating room. So yeah, it's it's just
fascinating stuff. And I remember very well, like kind of
them putting me to sleep, you know, for the operation
(06:22):
and then just witnessing the whole thing. It was very long,
I guess it was. I was completely fractured my nose,
my check rope. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Really bad to heal up.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
A year and a half, Oh my god. Yeah, so yeah,
it was hard. You know. I think it was like
the last year of high school or something, and it
was summertime, I remember, because all my friends were going
to the peek to the beach on holiday everything else,
and I was lying on my bed for a year
and a half to believe that. Because I also hurt
(06:55):
my back. I couldn't walk actually for a while. So
it was really really bad.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
How do you feel now? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I feel awesome. I mean I still have the few
problems here and there, but nothing. I mean, I'm totally
like I function like a normal person. But I think
people create these experiences to have the opportunity to exit. So,
because that's something that I see all the time when
I work with people in a coma, I see them
(07:24):
outside the body, and then when I communicate with them,
they are kind of questioning, Okay, where am I at
this point in my life? Should I come back? Can
I come back? Is my body strong enough to continue
the journey or should I you know, move on. So
I think that's the We created this opportunity to be
(07:47):
outside the human experience completely and look down and assess
where we're at from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Do you think herline is a new death experience? Is
something spiritual or is it tied to the complexity of
life somehow biologically?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, it's consciousness. Is basically, you are consciousness, and a
part of you is occupying your human body just like
a kiny. Part of the consciousness is inside the body
for a certain time for you know, fifty years, seventy years,
ninety years or whatever, and then when you're done, you
(08:30):
kind of your entire being goes back to the way
you were, which is consciousness. So it's all consciousness. You
don't cease to exist as consciousness. You just have like
a part of you, an aspect of you, do a
little bit of human stuff and then go back. So
(08:52):
it's not a biological I mean, it's it's it's your
consciousness that that's making your body function. It's making your
brain functions, making your you know, your whole body functions.
So when you when the consciousness leaves the body, then
the body dies. You know. So, so that that's the
(09:14):
idea basically.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Tell us about the evidence of the afterlife, what's out there.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, the evidence is, first of all, so many people
have had NDS, so it's not such an uncommon thing.
I'm actually surprised how many people report that. And you know,
we had to remember doctor Eben Alexander on our panel. Remember, Yeah,
he's one of my favorite examples of nd because he's
(09:46):
also a medical doctor and so he didn't believe in
any of this and for him to have that experience
and come back and tell us that he was literally
brain dead, and yet he remembers every thing he had,
you know, all these experiences on the other side, and
so so there's a lot of stories and reports of
(10:11):
people having had these experiences. We're not all crazy to
report these things. So that's you know, the evidence that
how can you be brain dead, completely brain dead, and
still have an experience. This means that the experience is
not bound to your body your the experience is outside
(10:36):
your body, and that means it's your consciousness.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It is remarkable to be sure, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah? Absolutely, well, I mean the idea is, if you
have the opportunity to experience something like this, not that
you have to create something horrific to leave your body,
but even through meditation, as you know, you have the
ability to experience what's beyond the physical. But if you
(11:07):
begin to imagine or if you you know, like in
my case, I'm very lucky because I work with so
many people and I could see, you know, their grandparents,
their you know, diseased relatives. Sometimes it's their children unfortunately.
So you know, it gives you a sense of of course,
that you are infinite. This life is not the end
(11:32):
of everything. And if that's the case, then what is
this life about. It's almost it makes it even more
precious that you're only here temporarily. And then you go
back to that thing that you were so to me.
If you have that ability to understand that there is
(11:56):
an after life, then I think it will make your
human life that much more precious and important.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There's no question about that. I mean, what do you
say to a skeptic, Caroline, who is a non believer
in the afterlife.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, you know, it's very difficult this topic or any
other spiritual topic to when you talk to a skeptic,
you know, you can't explain these things intellectually. Although again
these medical doctors that talk about being brain dead and
still having experience should you know, be helpful. But I
(12:32):
think if you're a skeptic, unless you have yourself some
sort of experience here, it's going to be very hard
to really really convince anyone. I think it's okay to
be skeptic, but I think you're missing out on a
lot because there is no like, you have nothing to
(12:56):
lose to try to experience what's beyond the physical, and then,
you know, unless you live it yourself, it's very hard
to really convince someone who doesn't want to believe.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that. I mean, there's nothing
wrong with being a skeptic, but you should at least
have an open mind.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean you should have an open mind
in anything you know and everything. And you know, science
is that the idea of science is to prove or
I mean, to demonstrate reality. And so how do you
demonstrate something that is non physical that we're using physical laws.
(13:46):
You have to start with the assumption that there is
something and then try to find evidence of not necessarily
evidence of the spiritual realm, but it's impact. As you know,
the movie that I did called Superhuman. We worked a
(14:07):
lot with scientists doing experiments, so we were trying to
prove that consciousness exists. You know, that there is such
a thing as consciousness, and it's consciousness that actually dictates
how you function as a human. So we kept going,
you know, saying, wait, you know, you cannot create scientific
(14:31):
laws using mainstream science, because these are Newtonian laws that
measure physical things, but we're talking about non physical things.
But what we can do is demonstrate the interaction between
consciousness and the physical world. That we can do that
is measurable, and so that's what we did. We did
(14:54):
all sorts of experiments, for example, focusing your intention on
water and changing the pH and water, focusing your intention
on electrical device, electronic device, and you know, creating all
sorts of changes in the data. So what was happening
is that the consciousness was interacting with the physical object
(15:21):
and creating a change. And so when you do these
experiments under laboratory conditions, you know, scientists, you have to
do create a baseline and you know, control groups and
do it over and over and over, and you have
these incredible correlations that yes, every time consciousness interacts with
(15:44):
a physical device, it changes its parameters. What does that
tell you? There is something that's invisible that is affecting
the visible and that is measurable so that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We can do And where does evil fit into the
puzzle here?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Mmmm? I think you know it's I like your questions.
I don't think evil exists on its own. I think
this is something that humans create. It's a choice. Every
time you think, you create an aspect of your reality,
(16:23):
from the smallest creation to the biggest one. You know,
I'm gonna get up and make myself a sandwich. I'm
creating an experience for myself. I'm creating I'm gonna call
my mother and see, you know, check in and see
how she's feeling. I'm creating an experience. So I am
making a choice every moment of the day to experience
(16:46):
life in a certain way. So if I choose to
make a decision, if I make a decision as that
is in conflict with the universal laws. Universal laws are
for life to strive, for life to expand, for life
(17:07):
to basically be based on love, truth, beauty, goodness, divine laws,
and so anything in conflict with that, anything that is
self destructive, eventually could turn into evil. So I feel
like it's not something that already exists. This is something
(17:29):
that you create, and you're choosing to create. Of course,
there are people who create subconsciously. They don't mean to
hurt someone, but they do because they have mental problems
or what have you. And there is mental illness as well.
That's another subject. But I think that we are the
(17:50):
ones creating evil and darkness, and therefore we can uncreate it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But do you believe in the devil?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I have to say that I do. I mean not
that I I'm into it, but I do because I
did see these entities. I didn't want to, you know,
like I said, when I work with people, it took
me a long time to really train myself to make sure,
first of all, that I wasn't making stuff up. But
(18:24):
I wasn't crazy, So, you know, just a little bit
of a background. I spent like fifteen years working on clarity.
I'm trying to discern how frequency works, you know, how
how do you really actually see subtle energy? What is
it that you're seeing, what's the difference? How do you
(18:45):
know it's not you that's making stuff up? So it
took me a long time, and then you get validation.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Listen to more Coast to Coast Am every weeknight at
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Now Here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Noori with you, Caroline Corey with Us.
Caroline as an award winning filmmaker author. A couple of
her books include The Divine Plan, God among Us and
founder of the Omnium Method of Energy Medicine and Consciousness Studies. Caroline,
did you enjoy our panel A Conscious Life?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh? My god, it was so fun And I didn't
know you were so funny. Your jokes are awesome. You
did a great job.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We do that at some of our live stage shows
that way, and folks really look forward to it. We
break them up and we had people in stitches, didn't we.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, I mean I didn't know. I have never seen
that show. I heard about it, but yeah, it was
a blast.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've seen you on Ancient Aliens. How you been?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah? Good? Actually, I just filmed like three episodes like
a month. So do you believe like it says season
what seventeen or something?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
In nice? And it was one of the ideas of
Giorgio Sukolos and what a brilliant guy he is.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
He is. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What's your take on the afterlife? You believe it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, definitely, I believe it. You know, I think I
told you my story a few times. I mean, I
told the story a few times. You know. I've been
seeing spirit and energy, subtle energy, like since I was
a child, and so you know, I kind of already
(01:43):
knew since I was a kid that there's something beyond
the physical. So growing up with these experiences just kept
me open to what is that, you know, what is
beyond the physical and where do we goure we pass?
So sometimes I would see a deceased relative of someone
(02:05):
I'm working with. Sometimes I would see like angels, and
so so it's a very comfortable subject for me, you know,
And and I guarantee that there isn't afterlife. I've seen
people actually pass and somehow get stuck here and I've
(02:29):
got to help them transition to other planes of reality.
So I mean, I've experienced that whole world just so
many times myself, and also through working with clients for
years and years and years. So it's definitely a true thing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Did you ever have any doubts of its existence?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Not really, like I said, because you know, it's always
been part of my life to see beyond the physical
so it's you know, and like I said, sometimes I
would have clients who have a child or a friend
or a relative who's in a coma. I see them
(03:14):
leave the body, go somewhere else and then come back.
And then a lot of people call me because their
parent or grandparent is about to transition, and so I
get to see kind of where they're headed and who's
on the other side. So it's it's I've never really
(03:39):
had any doubt, no, especially I also had my own NDE,
so yeah, it's definitely true. Tell us about Actually it
was when I was seventeen, so about ten years ago,
and it was a car I had a very very
(04:01):
bad car accident. Yeah, I mean the car was completely totaled.
I hit my head on the dashboard, I broke my nose,
my cheekbones. Yeah, no seatbelt of course, kids, you know,
(04:23):
and you know the guy I was with, like he
had a few too many to drink, and you know,
he was showing off his new car. You know, silly
stuff too, you know. So of course, so I remember
just the the you know, like the the impact and
(04:44):
then I kind of slipped like under the seat, and
I remember somebody pulling me out of the window because
the door wouldn't open. And then I laid on the
on the sidewalks for a very long time, I think,
which felt like a very long time until the ambulance
(05:05):
came or something. And this is where I left my body.
So the rest of the time I was kind of
hovering above my body. The next time I saw the body,
I was already on a like on an operating table
and so and I kind of witnessed the operation because
(05:28):
my nose was very badly fractured. So that's kind of
how it's interesting because I didn't remember the NDE at
that time, like when I woke up from the operation.
Everything else, I remembered it later, and I don't know
why that is, but yeah, so that's how it happened
(05:50):
for me.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Which is kind of interesting too, is because when you
leave your body at the scene of the accident, you
probably followed it to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, so, because like I passed out on
the sidewalk and then the next thing, yeah, I was
already in the operating room. So yeah, it's it's just
fascinating stuff. And I remember very well, like kind of
them putting me to sleep, you know, for the operation
(06:22):
and then just witnessing the whole thing. It was very long,
I guess it was. I was completely fractured my nose,
my check rope. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Really bad to heal up.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
A year and a half, Oh my god. Yeah, so yeah,
it was hard. You know. I think it was like
the last year of high school or something, and it
was summertime, I remember, because all my friends were going
to the peek to the beach on holiday everything else,
and I was lying on my bed for a year
and a half to believe that. Because I also hurt
(06:55):
my back. I couldn't walk actually for a while. So
it was really really bad.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
How do you feel now? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I feel awesome. I mean I still have the few
problems here and there, but nothing. I mean, I'm totally
like I function like a normal person. But I think
people create these experiences to have the opportunity to exit. So,
because that's something that I see all the time when
I work with people in a coma, I see them
(07:24):
outside the body, and then when I communicate with them,
they are kind of questioning, Okay, where am I at
this point in my life? Should I come back? Can
I come back? Is my body strong enough to continue
the journey or should I you know, move on. So
I think that's the We created this opportunity to be
(07:47):
outside the human experience completely and look down and assess
where we're at from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Do you think herline is a new death experience? Is
something spiritual or is it tied to the complexity of
life somehow biologically?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, it's consciousness. Is basically, you are consciousness, and a
part of you is occupying your human body just like
a kiny. Part of the consciousness is inside the body
for a certain time for you know, fifty years, seventy years,
ninety years or whatever, and then when you're done, you
(08:30):
kind of your entire being goes back to the way
you were, which is consciousness. So it's all consciousness. You
don't cease to exist as consciousness. You just have like
a part of you, an aspect of you, do a
little bit of human stuff and then go back. So
(08:52):
it's not a biological I mean, it's it's it's your
consciousness that that's making your body function. It's making your
brain functions, making your you know, your whole body functions.
So when you when the consciousness leaves the body, then
the body dies. You know. So, so that that's the
(09:14):
idea basically.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Tell us about the evidence of the afterlife, what's out there.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, the evidence is, first of all, so many people
have had NDS, so it's not such an uncommon thing.
I'm actually surprised how many people report that. And you know,
we had to remember doctor Eben Alexander on our panel. Remember, Yeah,
he's one of my favorite examples of nd because he's
(09:46):
also a medical doctor and so he didn't believe in
any of this and for him to have that experience
and come back and tell us that he was literally
brain dead, and yet he remembers every thing he had,
you know, all these experiences on the other side, and
so so there's a lot of stories and reports of
(10:11):
people having had these experiences. We're not all crazy to
report these things. So that's you know, the evidence that
how can you be brain dead, completely brain dead, and
still have an experience. This means that the experience is
not bound to your body your the experience is outside
(10:36):
your body, and that means it's your consciousness.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It is remarkable to be sure, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah? Absolutely, well, I mean the idea is, if you
have the opportunity to experience something like this, not that
you have to create something horrific to leave your body,
but even through meditation, as you know, you have the
ability to experience what's beyond the physical. But if you
(11:07):
begin to imagine or if you you know, like in
my case, I'm very lucky because I work with so
many people and I could see, you know, their grandparents,
their you know, diseased relatives. Sometimes it's their children unfortunately.
So you know, it gives you a sense of of course,
that you are infinite. This life is not the end
(11:32):
of everything. And if that's the case, then what is
this life about. It's almost it makes it even more
precious that you're only here temporarily. And then you go
back to that thing that you were so to me.
If you have that ability to understand that there is
(11:56):
an after life, then I think it will make your
human life that much more precious and important.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There's no question about that. I mean, what do you
say to a skeptic, Caroline, who is a non believer
in the afterlife.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, you know, it's very difficult this topic or any
other spiritual topic to when you talk to a skeptic,
you know, you can't explain these things intellectually. Although again
these medical doctors that talk about being brain dead and
still having experience should you know, be helpful. But I
(12:32):
think if you're a skeptic, unless you have yourself some
sort of experience here, it's going to be very hard
to really really convince anyone. I think it's okay to
be skeptic, but I think you're missing out on a
lot because there is no like, you have nothing to
(12:56):
lose to try to experience what's beyond the physical, and then,
you know, unless you live it yourself, it's very hard
to really convince someone who doesn't want to believe.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that. I mean, there's nothing
wrong with being a skeptic, but you should at least
have an open mind.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean you should have an open mind
in anything you know and everything. And you know, science
is that the idea of science is to prove or
I mean, to demonstrate reality. And so how do you
demonstrate something that is non physical that we're using physical laws.
(13:46):
You have to start with the assumption that there is
something and then try to find evidence of not necessarily
evidence of the spiritual realm, but it's impact. As you know,
the movie that I did called Superhuman. We worked a
(14:07):
lot with scientists doing experiments, so we were trying to
prove that consciousness exists. You know, that there is such
a thing as consciousness, and it's consciousness that actually dictates
how you function as a human. So we kept going,
you know, saying, wait, you know, you cannot create scientific
(14:31):
laws using mainstream science, because these are Newtonian laws that
measure physical things, but we're talking about non physical things.
But what we can do is demonstrate the interaction between
consciousness and the physical world. That we can do that
is measurable, and so that's what we did. We did
(14:54):
all sorts of experiments, for example, focusing your intention on
water and changing the pH and water, focusing your intention
on electrical device, electronic device, and you know, creating all
sorts of changes in the data. So what was happening
is that the consciousness was interacting with the physical object
(15:21):
and creating a change. And so when you do these
experiments under laboratory conditions, you know, scientists, you have to
do create a baseline and you know, control groups and
do it over and over and over, and you have
these incredible correlations that yes, every time consciousness interacts with
(15:44):
a physical device, it changes its parameters. What does that
tell you? There is something that's invisible that is affecting
the visible and that is measurable so that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We can do And where does evil fit into the
puzzle here?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Mmmm? I think you know it's I like your questions.
I don't think evil exists on its own. I think
this is something that humans create. It's a choice. Every
time you think, you create an aspect of your reality,
(16:23):
from the smallest creation to the biggest one. You know,
I'm gonna get up and make myself a sandwich. I'm
creating an experience for myself. I'm creating I'm gonna call
my mother and see, you know, check in and see
how she's feeling. I'm creating an experience. So I am
making a choice every moment of the day to experience
(16:46):
life in a certain way. So if I choose to
make a decision, if I make a decision as that
is in conflict with the universal laws. Universal laws are
for life to strive, for life to expand, for life
(17:07):
to basically be based on love, truth, beauty, goodness, divine laws,
and so anything in conflict with that, anything that is
self destructive, eventually could turn into evil. So I feel
like it's not something that already exists. This is something
(17:29):
that you create, and you're choosing to create. Of course,
there are people who create subconsciously. They don't mean to
hurt someone, but they do because they have mental problems
or what have you. And there is mental illness as well.
That's another subject. But I think that we are the
(17:50):
ones creating evil and darkness, and therefore we can uncreate it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But do you believe in the devil?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I have to say that I do. I mean not
that I I'm into it, but I do because I
did see these entities. I didn't want to, you know,
like I said, when I work with people, it took
me a long time to really train myself to make sure,
first of all, that I wasn't making stuff up. But
(18:24):
I wasn't crazy, So, you know, just a little bit
of a background. I spent like fifteen years working on clarity.
I'm trying to discern how frequency works, you know, how
how do you really actually see subtle energy? What is
it that you're seeing, what's the difference? How do you
(18:45):
know it's not you that's making stuff up? So it
took me a long time, and then you get validation.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
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