March 15, 2025 • 17 mins
Guest host Rich Berra and author Mike Bara explore the link between President John F. Kennedy's knowledge of the alien presence on Earth and his assassination, why NASA officials may have started the moon landing hoax rumors themselves, and a conspiracy linking President Kennedy and Bill Clinton.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am your
host to Rich Barra. Now let me introduce you to
No Relation Mike Bera. He is a New York Best Times,
Best Times, New York Times best selling author Lecture in
TV Personality whose books have sold over one hundred thousand
copies worldwide. He's made hundreds of TV appearances, including on
(00:26):
Ancient Aliens, and is a contributing writer for the YouTube
channel The y Files, which I check out pretty much
every day too. What a pleasure to have you on, Mike,
Welcome to the show. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thanks. Yeah, it's great to meet another bear, even though
we don't spell it the same way.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But you got Italian roots? Or is that Bearra? Not Italian?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hungarian? Actually Hungarian and it may have been shortened from
something else. But I had a friend once who traveled
to Eastern Europe and said, actually bear is not that
big in Hungary, but it was really big in Romania.
And apparently I have a fairly large followup. I have
to go there sometime.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Check that out. You Well, that seems like that's right
up your alley checking out like some uh some vampire
lure white.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, well why not? Yeah, I haven't done vampires before,
but it's time to time to maybe do a vampire book.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So so, I'm a longtime listener of Coast to Coast,
Love George Norri, loved Art Bell, love those guys, their mentors.
But you need to take me down the rabbit hole
for the first time, because after listening to the show,
and I don't know, honestly, really truly, after COVID the
whole moon thing, either we've gone a million times and
we've got, you know, a secret space program, or we've
(01:37):
never gone, and I believe both when I hear them both.
So I want you to take me gingerly down the
rabbit hole, and let's talk about all the things about
the Kennedy connection and all that. So, first of all,
when did you first feel like something was a miss
or connected with what we know about the moon in
(02:00):
President Kennedy himself.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
When I was watching it on TV.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Felt that when I was a young boy watching all
these missions, I just felt like there was something wrong.
There were things that they weren't telling us. There was
you know, I remember watching the moon landings on television,
and there were times when the camera would pan away
from the astronauts, like when it was on they were
(02:28):
using a lunar rover and you know, they had a
remotely controlled camera, and I'm like, why are we not
watching what the astronauts are doing? And they would say
really weird things like well, you know we haven't we
haven't really been able to look around any more than
you've seen. And I'm like, we didn't see anything because
the camera, the camera was looking at everything except what
you guys were doing at the base of the hexagon
(02:51):
old pyramid mountain that you're telling us is a mountain, right,
So it was it was one of those things where
I just always had this sneaking suspicion that things weren't right.
And then okay, let me pause you just for a second.
So when you feel like they're not right, when are
you saying they're not showing us everything on the moon
or are you saying those aren't actually videos from the moon. No,
(03:12):
it's that that we went to the moon. Absolutely, I
you know, I'll fight you on that one. And it's
they're not showing us what they're really doing. That's That's
what felt odd to me, that there were stuff there
that they didn't want us to see. And you know,
remember I was in a TV show called Truth Behind
the moon Landing. We had I had to play the
crazy conspiracy guy, and I think, you know, I had
(03:33):
to make the arguments for the moon landing hoax stuff,
and it just as we went through the show, none
of it added up. That's one of the things that
I did. You know, one of the reasons I did
it was because you know, I knew we went, and
I knew we were going to get to the truth
of it in the end. It was a Science Channel
show from twenty nineteen, so you know, I know we went.
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And it's more a question of why did we cover
up what we found there? And what did we cover up? Okay,
I think really, you know, people don't know this, but
Richard Hoagland, well, I understand you're gonna have on my
co author on Dark Mission. Understand you're gonna have Richard.
Richard's gonna be on with George this week coming up
or very soon. You know, he was there when the
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rumors started that they fake the whole thing in a
movie studio in Nevada and guess who started it? NASA did.
So NASA wants the conspiracies about the Moon to be
something dumb that's easily disprovable, I think, as opposed to
people really looking closely at the pictures and looking at
the film and saying that what what where are they?
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Where is the astronauts? What are they doing? So that's
my perspective on it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, So why would NASA like, bring me back to that.
So if NASA started the rumors, why would they want
to start the rumors instead of just instead of just
covering what they're covering.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Because they needed In other words, if people started getting
suspicious about I think what was there? Because I think
they discovered there was more ancient alien technology there than
they could even imagine, and I think they figured stuff
is going to slip through the cracks. And I believe
that they were the ones that helped start this rumor
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in order to make that the conspiracy theory. So when
people bring up the Moon and conspiracy theories and conspiracy
theorists like me, which I proudly say that I am,
the first thing they go to is, oh, you think
we fake the moon landings? Well, no, that's dumb. I
don't think that at all. I think we went to
the Moon and performed a bunch of secret society Masonic
ceremonies and brought back a whole bunch of technology. That's
(05:42):
what I think.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But Okay, want.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
People to ask that question. They wanted people when they
thought about conspiracies about NASA and the Moon to think about, Oh,
we fake the whole thing in a movie studio with
an area of fifty one with Stanpley Kubrick directing, which
is of course absolutely silly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I was watching, Okay, I was watching one of
your lectures and you kind of I'm going to kind
of dive into something you just said. So one of
the things you bring up in your lectures is that
when Kennedy gets elected as president, which you make a
pretty big case that that was no coincidence, that that
had been planned out for a long time, because nothing
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like that just happens without the powers that be pushing
it forward. One of the first things he says is
that he's coming after secret societies. What maybe the first
speech he gave, So he's coming after the Freemasons. But
yet the Apollo mission was kind of wasn't him pushing
(06:41):
against the secret society that well, I'm going to do
my own thing. But then doesn't the Apollo logo itself
have a lot of secret society nods to it?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh yeah, I mean the the logo is and again,
you know, Richard Hoagland is the guy who discovered this
and really put it all together. It's the The program
is called Apollo, which is Greek mythology, but the symbol
is the constellation of Oriyan. And you know, there is
some truth reality to the fact that the original program
was named Project Ryan. But they when they change it
(07:14):
to Project Apollo, they kept the constellation of Orion. Now,
the constellation of Orion is deeply connected to the ancient
Egyptian stellar religion, and it represented the good god o Cyrus,
who was the overseer of the nether worlds of the afterlife.
And and if you look at when they landed on
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the moon and when they did certain events, and Oriyan
is always at thirty three degrees at nineteen point five
degrees above the landing side or on the horizon. These
are all ancient symbolic you know, positions which supposedly create
good auspices, create good energies that help you succeed in
your mission. And it became so pervasive that the NASA
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did this, especially in the sixth that you couldn't ignore it.
And so Orian ultimately, when you get down to it,
is a Masonic symbol. It's connected to Osiris. O Cyrus
is the god that the Freemasons ultimately worship, as does
you know the Nazi, the Nazis, the SS they actually
also worshiped Osyrus. And if you look at NASA what
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they were made up of, they were made up of,
you know, Freemasons and and a lot of guys from
Germany from World War Two, Nazis from the SS. And
then out in Pasadena at JPL, you had a group
called the Magicians that were sort of associated with Alistair
Crowley and they also saw Osiris as their their top dog,
(08:40):
their ultimate guy. So this whole Orian Osirius NASA connection
is just so deep and so pervasive that you know,
I just can't ignore it anymore. And I know it's
hard for people to grasp. The hardest thing is to
try to convince people that I'm not crazy when I
talk about this. It was NASA that was crazy doing well.
I mean, there is a there's a lot of stuff
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that it's not simple. You can't just say they picked
the landing spot because it had you know, mason ties,
masonry ties. It's like, there's so much that you got
to think about when you started unveiling this.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
The thing is you have to pick the landing site, date,
time first, and then you build your launch window back
from that. And the guy who picked all the landing
sites where they had you know, a Ryan's belt at
exactly thirty three degrees right over the landing site on
Hitler's birthday was doctor Farrukil boss WoT, who was a
(09:35):
geologist but whose father was, guess what, an expert in
the ancient Egyptian stellar religion. So you have all these
connections that just can't be coincidences. They're all you know,
the whole thing was planned that way.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You talk a lot about coincidences that just are not coincidences.
And since we're gonna get into Kennedy thing in the
space thing, you kind of mentioned about how were there
film cameras around when he was in the military catching
him doing heroic things.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well, yeah, that was more that was more geared towards
George Herbert Walker Bush, who has some very deep connections
to UH to Nazi Germany, which are you know that
that's a whole another rabbit hole you want to go,
you want to do a whole show on that. But yeah,
I mean, how did the there happen to be somebody
there with the film camera catching him being rescued after
he was shot down at World War Two? And then
(10:27):
you look at at Bill Clinton meeting President Kennedy at
the White House, and you know, there was a whole
group of these young fourteen year old boys, boys who
were in this group that went to Washington, d c.
And the only picture that was taken is one of
Bill Clinton. And then you look at Bill Clinton's mom
was a nurse and she was stationed at the same
(10:48):
hospital that JFK was recuperating at after the PT one
oh nine incident in Arizona. And then she moves, you know,
and moves to the Hope, Arkansas and has Bill Clinton
nine months after she was at the same hospital as
JFK himself. So and then and then you know, yeah,
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and you kind of look at that and you said,
well that that can't really be a coincidence. And then
you think about, well, why did Ken Starr want the
famous blue dress so he could conduct a DNA test
and find out whether Bill Clinton was an illegitimate Kennedy
or an illegitimate Rockefeller. So it just wow. The more
the more you step into the non technical scientific aspects
(11:32):
of it, the weirder the whole thing gets. And it's
it's actually kind of exciting to uncover all this stuff
when you start digging into it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So let's say, I'm gonna I'm coming from the place
that you definitely believe there is a deep state and
has been for a long time. So do you think
before Kennedy became president he knew enough about aliens before
he was elected or is that one of those things
that once you get into the White House they handle
the book a seat or whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, I think by the time Kennedy got in there
that they had decided within MJ twelve, Majestic twelve, which
is the higher super up organization that really ran the
alien question back in the forties, fifties and sixties, ran
everything to do with aliens. I think that they by
the time Kennedy got there, they had decided they didn't
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really need to bring presidents in on the on this,
and there is a document called the Interplanetary Phenomenon Report
of the IPU Report, and it states frankly in there
that one of the few members of Congress or the
government that knows about Roswell is John F. Kennedy, a
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new congressman from Massachusetts. And he knows it because he
knows this guy or that guy. And this is all
in the book, by the Way, Ancient Aliens, and JFK.
It shows that he did know it and that he
had found out information because he was very close with
James Forrestall. Now, James Forestall was, of course the first
American Secretary of Defense, and he was MJ three. He
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was the third ranking member of the MJ twelve syndicate organization,
and he was a close family friend of the Kennedys.
And JFK almost certainly knew what Forestall knew about aliens.
And there's a lot of evidence to suggest, Michael, doctor
Michael Sala has been great digging some of this up,
that Forestall and Kennedy both felt the same way that
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the American people in the world should be told about
the alien presence. And so since they were on the
same side, Forestall appeared to have been murdered. I mean,
you go through that detail.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was just about to ask you about that. Would
that have been a the MJ twelve taking him out?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yes? Yes, And remember before the assassin. While I'm getting
really into the down of Rebinolds.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's okay, that's okay, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Before they assassinated him physically, they assassinated him his character
in the press, and you know, there were all these
horrible articles written about how he was mentally unstable and
he had all these these emotional problems that he had
to be drugged, and they basically tried to character assassinate
the guy. And then they got that got him forcibly
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sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital, where he accidentally fell or
threw himself from a sixteenth floor window onto the concrete below,
after having strangled himself with his own pajama drawstring. So
you know, there's a book out there called The Strange
Death of James Forrestall and it's really really bizarre stuff.
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And you know, here's another interesting thing, which is the
President Kennedy made one trip to Arlington National Cemetery during
his administration. He was only in office for three years,
but he went there in May on Memorial Day, May
of nineteen sixty three, the year that he was killed,
And after he gave his speech, his motorcade drove to
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a specific spot in Arlington National Cemetery and he sat
there silently for about forty minutes, looking at one grave,
and that was the grave of James Forrestall. And I
think that there's a lot of evidence, which I guess
we'll get into as the show goes on, that Kennedy
had decided that he was going to tell people what
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he knew about the alien aliens and the alien presence,
and he was going to share it with the Russians.
And I think that's what got what ultimately got him killed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh really, that's actually I haven't heard that connection until
you brought that up. And what do you think the
relationship was between jfk and James Forrestall? Why is that
significant to We're aware it was one of deep friendship
and he was a fan, he was a family friend.
He golfed with Joe Kennedy Senior on many occasions. And
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after John F.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Kennedy was injured and then recuperated at the hospital where
he apparently fothered Bill Clinton, you know, it's crazy too,
but I mean, you can certainly make a circumstantial case
that there's something there, right. I mean, the fact that
Bill's mom was the nurse at the hospital that JFK
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recuperated at, it's pretty wild. And then you know, she
suddenly leaves a nine months later Bill Clinton's born. But anyway,
the relationship was very close because after JFK was discharged
because he was disabled to the point with his back
injury that he couldn't serve in the military anymore, they
discharged him and he became a newspaper reporter and he
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was actually quite good at it. Hired by William Randolph Hurst,
who was a fellow to know today be billionaires but
multimillionaire friend of Joe Kennedy, and he was assigned to
cover guess who James Forrestall as the Secretary of the
Navy as he traveled around post war Nazi Germany, and
on at least one occasion, and this is really interesting,
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they were within half a day's drive of the area
in Silasia where the Nazi bell was tested, where the
test ring was So I feel like, you know, if that, yeah,
if that was ancient, if that was alien technology or
some outgrowth of alien technology. He and Forrest All certainly
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could have gone and seen it then and you know,
investigated it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am your
host to Rich Barra. Now let me introduce you to
No Relation Mike Bera. He is a New York Best Times,
Best Times, New York Times best selling author Lecture in
TV Personality whose books have sold over one hundred thousand
copies worldwide. He's made hundreds of TV appearances, including on
(00:26):
Ancient Aliens, and is a contributing writer for the YouTube
channel The y Files, which I check out pretty much
every day too. What a pleasure to have you on, Mike,
Welcome to the show. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thanks. Yeah, it's great to meet another bear, even though
we don't spell it the same way.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But you got Italian roots? Or is that Bearra? Not Italian?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hungarian? Actually Hungarian and it may have been shortened from
something else. But I had a friend once who traveled
to Eastern Europe and said, actually bear is not that
big in Hungary, but it was really big in Romania.
And apparently I have a fairly large followup. I have
to go there sometime.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Check that out. You Well, that seems like that's right
up your alley checking out like some uh some vampire
lure white.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, well why not? Yeah, I haven't done vampires before,
but it's time to time to maybe do a vampire book.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So so, I'm a longtime listener of Coast to Coast,
Love George Norri, loved Art Bell, love those guys, their mentors.
But you need to take me down the rabbit hole
for the first time, because after listening to the show,
and I don't know, honestly, really truly, after COVID the
whole moon thing, either we've gone a million times and
we've got, you know, a secret space program, or we've
(01:37):
never gone, and I believe both when I hear them both.
So I want you to take me gingerly down the
rabbit hole, and let's talk about all the things about
the Kennedy connection and all that. So, first of all,
when did you first feel like something was a miss
or connected with what we know about the moon in
(02:00):
President Kennedy himself.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
When I was watching it on TV.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Felt that when I was a young boy watching all
these missions, I just felt like there was something wrong.
There were things that they weren't telling us. There was
you know, I remember watching the moon landings on television,
and there were times when the camera would pan away
from the astronauts, like when it was on they were
(02:28):
using a lunar rover and you know, they had a
remotely controlled camera, and I'm like, why are we not
watching what the astronauts are doing? And they would say
really weird things like well, you know we haven't we
haven't really been able to look around any more than
you've seen. And I'm like, we didn't see anything because
the camera, the camera was looking at everything except what
you guys were doing at the base of the hexagon
(02:51):
old pyramid mountain that you're telling us is a mountain, right,
So it was it was one of those things where
I just always had this sneaking suspicion that things weren't right.
And then okay, let me pause you just for a second.
So when you feel like they're not right, when are
you saying they're not showing us everything on the moon
or are you saying those aren't actually videos from the moon. No,
(03:12):
it's that that we went to the moon. Absolutely, I
you know, I'll fight you on that one. And it's
they're not showing us what they're really doing. That's That's
what felt odd to me, that there were stuff there
that they didn't want us to see. And you know,
remember I was in a TV show called Truth Behind
the moon Landing. We had I had to play the
crazy conspiracy guy, and I think, you know, I had
(03:33):
to make the arguments for the moon landing hoax stuff,
and it just as we went through the show, none
of it added up. That's one of the things that
I did. You know, one of the reasons I did
it was because you know, I knew we went, and
I knew we were going to get to the truth
of it in the end. It was a Science Channel
show from twenty nineteen, so you know, I know we went.
(03:54):
And it's more a question of why did we cover
up what we found there? And what did we cover up? Okay,
I think really, you know, people don't know this, but
Richard Hoagland, well, I understand you're gonna have on my
co author on Dark Mission. Understand you're gonna have Richard.
Richard's gonna be on with George this week coming up
or very soon. You know, he was there when the
(04:16):
rumors started that they fake the whole thing in a
movie studio in Nevada and guess who started it? NASA did.
So NASA wants the conspiracies about the Moon to be
something dumb that's easily disprovable, I think, as opposed to
people really looking closely at the pictures and looking at
the film and saying that what what where are they?
(04:39):
Where is the astronauts? What are they doing? So that's
my perspective on it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, So why would NASA like, bring me back to that.
So if NASA started the rumors, why would they want
to start the rumors instead of just instead of just
covering what they're covering.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Because they needed In other words, if people started getting
suspicious about I think what was there? Because I think
they discovered there was more ancient alien technology there than
they could even imagine, and I think they figured stuff
is going to slip through the cracks. And I believe
that they were the ones that helped start this rumor
(05:19):
in order to make that the conspiracy theory. So when
people bring up the Moon and conspiracy theories and conspiracy
theorists like me, which I proudly say that I am,
the first thing they go to is, oh, you think
we fake the moon landings? Well, no, that's dumb. I
don't think that at all. I think we went to
the Moon and performed a bunch of secret society Masonic
ceremonies and brought back a whole bunch of technology. That's
(05:42):
what I think.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But Okay, want.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
People to ask that question. They wanted people when they
thought about conspiracies about NASA and the Moon to think about, Oh,
we fake the whole thing in a movie studio with
an area of fifty one with Stanpley Kubrick directing, which
is of course absolutely silly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I was watching, Okay, I was watching one of
your lectures and you kind of I'm going to kind
of dive into something you just said. So one of
the things you bring up in your lectures is that
when Kennedy gets elected as president, which you make a
pretty big case that that was no coincidence, that that
had been planned out for a long time, because nothing
(06:21):
like that just happens without the powers that be pushing
it forward. One of the first things he says is
that he's coming after secret societies. What maybe the first
speech he gave, So he's coming after the Freemasons. But
yet the Apollo mission was kind of wasn't him pushing
(06:41):
against the secret society that well, I'm going to do
my own thing. But then doesn't the Apollo logo itself
have a lot of secret society nods to it?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh yeah, I mean the the logo is and again,
you know, Richard Hoagland is the guy who discovered this
and really put it all together. It's the The program
is called Apollo, which is Greek mythology, but the symbol
is the constellation of Oriyan. And you know, there is
some truth reality to the fact that the original program
was named Project Ryan. But they when they change it
(07:14):
to Project Apollo, they kept the constellation of Orion. Now,
the constellation of Orion is deeply connected to the ancient
Egyptian stellar religion, and it represented the good god o Cyrus,
who was the overseer of the nether worlds of the afterlife.
And and if you look at when they landed on
(07:34):
the moon and when they did certain events, and Oriyan
is always at thirty three degrees at nineteen point five
degrees above the landing side or on the horizon. These
are all ancient symbolic you know, positions which supposedly create
good auspices, create good energies that help you succeed in
your mission. And it became so pervasive that the NASA
(07:58):
did this, especially in the sixth that you couldn't ignore it.
And so Orian ultimately, when you get down to it,
is a Masonic symbol. It's connected to Osiris. O Cyrus
is the god that the Freemasons ultimately worship, as does
you know the Nazi, the Nazis, the SS they actually
also worshiped Osyrus. And if you look at NASA what
(08:20):
they were made up of, they were made up of,
you know, Freemasons and and a lot of guys from
Germany from World War Two, Nazis from the SS. And
then out in Pasadena at JPL, you had a group
called the Magicians that were sort of associated with Alistair
Crowley and they also saw Osiris as their their top dog,
(08:40):
their ultimate guy. So this whole Orian Osirius NASA connection
is just so deep and so pervasive that you know,
I just can't ignore it anymore. And I know it's
hard for people to grasp. The hardest thing is to
try to convince people that I'm not crazy when I
talk about this. It was NASA that was crazy doing well.
I mean, there is a there's a lot of stuff
(09:01):
that it's not simple. You can't just say they picked
the landing spot because it had you know, mason ties,
masonry ties. It's like, there's so much that you got
to think about when you started unveiling this.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
The thing is you have to pick the landing site, date,
time first, and then you build your launch window back
from that. And the guy who picked all the landing
sites where they had you know, a Ryan's belt at
exactly thirty three degrees right over the landing site on
Hitler's birthday was doctor Farrukil boss WoT, who was a
(09:35):
geologist but whose father was, guess what, an expert in
the ancient Egyptian stellar religion. So you have all these
connections that just can't be coincidences. They're all you know,
the whole thing was planned that way.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You talk a lot about coincidences that just are not coincidences.
And since we're gonna get into Kennedy thing in the
space thing, you kind of mentioned about how were there
film cameras around when he was in the military catching
him doing heroic things.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well, yeah, that was more that was more geared towards
George Herbert Walker Bush, who has some very deep connections
to UH to Nazi Germany, which are you know that
that's a whole another rabbit hole you want to go,
you want to do a whole show on that. But yeah,
I mean, how did the there happen to be somebody
there with the film camera catching him being rescued after
he was shot down at World War Two? And then
(10:27):
you look at at Bill Clinton meeting President Kennedy at
the White House, and you know, there was a whole
group of these young fourteen year old boys, boys who
were in this group that went to Washington, d c.
And the only picture that was taken is one of
Bill Clinton. And then you look at Bill Clinton's mom
was a nurse and she was stationed at the same
(10:48):
hospital that JFK was recuperating at after the PT one
oh nine incident in Arizona. And then she moves, you know,
and moves to the Hope, Arkansas and has Bill Clinton
nine months after she was at the same hospital as
JFK himself. So and then and then you know, yeah,
(11:10):
and you kind of look at that and you said,
well that that can't really be a coincidence. And then
you think about, well, why did Ken Starr want the
famous blue dress so he could conduct a DNA test
and find out whether Bill Clinton was an illegitimate Kennedy
or an illegitimate Rockefeller. So it just wow. The more
the more you step into the non technical scientific aspects
(11:32):
of it, the weirder the whole thing gets. And it's
it's actually kind of exciting to uncover all this stuff
when you start digging into it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So let's say, I'm gonna I'm coming from the place
that you definitely believe there is a deep state and
has been for a long time. So do you think
before Kennedy became president he knew enough about aliens before
he was elected or is that one of those things
that once you get into the White House they handle
the book a seat or whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, I think by the time Kennedy got in there
that they had decided within MJ twelve, Majestic twelve, which
is the higher super up organization that really ran the
alien question back in the forties, fifties and sixties, ran
everything to do with aliens. I think that they by
the time Kennedy got there, they had decided they didn't
(12:22):
really need to bring presidents in on the on this,
and there is a document called the Interplanetary Phenomenon Report
of the IPU Report, and it states frankly in there
that one of the few members of Congress or the
government that knows about Roswell is John F. Kennedy, a
(12:43):
new congressman from Massachusetts. And he knows it because he
knows this guy or that guy. And this is all
in the book, by the Way, Ancient Aliens, and JFK.
It shows that he did know it and that he
had found out information because he was very close with
James Forrestall. Now, James Forestall was, of course the first
American Secretary of Defense, and he was MJ three. He
(13:04):
was the third ranking member of the MJ twelve syndicate organization,
and he was a close family friend of the Kennedys.
And JFK almost certainly knew what Forestall knew about aliens.
And there's a lot of evidence to suggest, Michael, doctor
Michael Sala has been great digging some of this up,
that Forestall and Kennedy both felt the same way that
(13:26):
the American people in the world should be told about
the alien presence. And so since they were on the
same side, Forestall appeared to have been murdered. I mean,
you go through that detail.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was just about to ask you about that. Would
that have been a the MJ twelve taking him out?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yes? Yes, And remember before the assassin. While I'm getting
really into the down of Rebinolds.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's okay, that's okay, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Before they assassinated him physically, they assassinated him his character
in the press, and you know, there were all these
horrible articles written about how he was mentally unstable and
he had all these these emotional problems that he had
to be drugged, and they basically tried to character assassinate
the guy. And then they got that got him forcibly
(14:11):
sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital, where he accidentally fell or
threw himself from a sixteenth floor window onto the concrete below,
after having strangled himself with his own pajama drawstring. So
you know, there's a book out there called The Strange
Death of James Forrestall and it's really really bizarre stuff.
(14:33):
And you know, here's another interesting thing, which is the
President Kennedy made one trip to Arlington National Cemetery during
his administration. He was only in office for three years,
but he went there in May on Memorial Day, May
of nineteen sixty three, the year that he was killed,
And after he gave his speech, his motorcade drove to
(14:55):
a specific spot in Arlington National Cemetery and he sat
there silently for about forty minutes, looking at one grave,
and that was the grave of James Forrestall. And I
think that there's a lot of evidence, which I guess
we'll get into as the show goes on, that Kennedy
had decided that he was going to tell people what
(15:15):
he knew about the alien aliens and the alien presence,
and he was going to share it with the Russians.
And I think that's what got what ultimately got him killed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh really, that's actually I haven't heard that connection until
you brought that up. And what do you think the
relationship was between jfk and James Forrestall? Why is that
significant to We're aware it was one of deep friendship
and he was a fan, he was a family friend.
He golfed with Joe Kennedy Senior on many occasions. And
(15:49):
after John F.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Kennedy was injured and then recuperated at the hospital where
he apparently fothered Bill Clinton, you know, it's crazy too,
but I mean, you can certainly make a circumstantial case
that there's something there, right. I mean, the fact that
Bill's mom was the nurse at the hospital that JFK
(16:10):
recuperated at, it's pretty wild. And then you know, she
suddenly leaves a nine months later Bill Clinton's born. But anyway,
the relationship was very close because after JFK was discharged
because he was disabled to the point with his back
injury that he couldn't serve in the military anymore, they
discharged him and he became a newspaper reporter and he
(16:33):
was actually quite good at it. Hired by William Randolph Hurst,
who was a fellow to know today be billionaires but
multimillionaire friend of Joe Kennedy, and he was assigned to
cover guess who James Forrestall as the Secretary of the
Navy as he traveled around post war Nazi Germany, and
on at least one occasion, and this is really interesting,
(16:56):
they were within half a day's drive of the area
in Silasia where the Nazi bell was tested, where the
test ring was So I feel like, you know, if that, yeah,
if that was ancient, if that was alien technology or
some outgrowth of alien technology. He and Forrest All certainly
(17:16):
could have gone and seen it then and you know,
investigated it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
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