March 17, 2025 • 17 mins
Guest Host Connie Willis and Dr. Jeffery Long discuss near death experiences, terminal lucidity and the fear of death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Coast to Coast AM. Connie willis here and having
a good time. Jimmy Buffett tunes More to Come, Happy
Saint Patrick's Day to you, and just good stuff, good talk,
good conversation. I will be back. I think it's the
twenty first and the twenty second. I hope I am,
but I will be back. We'll have some really good guests.
One of them is going to be Mike Patterson Sasquatch, Ontario,
(00:25):
telling us more about NEF seeing what the latest is.
So he's got some good things, good things for us.
I've heard that he just recently had a lot of
new things happening, so we'll get some sound effects from
and to some good audio that kind of thing happening.
So that's always fun to have him on. That's the
twenty first, twenty second I pull my guests together. That'll
be a surprise for you right now. But tonight we've
(00:47):
got doctor Jeffrey Long with us discussing new groundbreaking findings
in the genre of near death experiences, remarkable new insights
from the most recent NDA research. But I want to
take him back to your very first Jeff, your very
first inde, not that you had one, but the very
(01:10):
first one that you recognize that you thought, oh my gosh,
this is really something, and it turned you on to
more of these.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, that is a great question, because that actually
did literally change my life when I heard the first
person to share their near death experience. That was again
decades ago. Connie. I was at the University of Iowa
where I did my medical training, and a college friend
was there with his wife maybe they were souldmates, and
(01:42):
we were having a meal, and in the course of
the meal, my friend's wife said that she had such
severe medical allergies that at one point she was under
anesthesia for an operation, had an allergic reaction so severe
that she coded her heart stopped. She stopped at that point. Now,
my medical instinct was, huh, I think there's more to
(02:05):
the story here. I've heard that from patients when they
have more to say, and I knew of near death experiences.
So Connie, and I'm going to I'm going to confess.
It's a true Confession's time. I was poised to ask
literally the dumbest question of my life. Here she was
under general anesthesia and her heart stopped. It should have
been absolutely and I knew medically, with every five of
(02:28):
my being impossible for her to have any remembrance at
that time. I mean, doesn't that make sense? And yet
I knew about near death experiences. So I thought about
this as a seconds went by, said I gotta ask,
I gotta ask. But that would be stupid to ask that.
So finally I had a plan be developed. I said,
if the other people at the table think if I
asked her if she had if she remembered something at
(02:51):
that time that she was under anesthesia and her heart stopped,
if people think that was the dumbest thing I ever said,
I'll just blame it on the fine beer. We're having it.
True story. So, emboldened by that plan b based on beer,
I found the courage to ask for which should have
been a crazy question. Okay, you were under anesthesia, your
(03:12):
heart stopped, do you remember anything? Did anything happened? And
she immediately her eyes lit up and she said why yes,
and went on to tell me a remarkable first near
death experience I'd ever heard of from another person, consciousness
over her body and in the operating room. And believe me,
I've been there medically, when someone's heart stops during surgery,
(03:35):
the EKG machine that measures heart electrical activity has all
sorts of noisy alarm. I mean, it's really dramatic, and
that's exactly what she saws. The operation team paniced at
that unexpected cessation of her heartbeat, and of course the
crash cart that you used to bring people back is
not immediately available, So she watched the panic and chaos
(03:58):
in the operating room, went through a tunnel winge of
that beautiful, unearthly, heavenly realm, immediately feeling great peace, love,
as so many other near death experiences described, beyond anything
they ever knew on earth, met some deceased loved ones
and had a very long dialogue with them in this
(04:19):
heavenly realm, and finally was given a choice about whether
she wanted to return to her physical body or not,
as we so often here, and she wasn't sure she
was in a strong sense of peace or connection in
that unearthly realm. Finally she decided to return back to
her physical body, and after she recovered from that very
(04:41):
close brush for death, she didn't know what happened. So
this was literally the first time she shared her near
death experience with anybody, and she still didn't know what
it was. So I told her I'd read about that
a long time ago, and I believe she had a
near death experience. Gave her some literature on that, and
from that moment I was hooked. Connie. I said to myself,
(05:02):
if this really happens, if this consistently happens, this completely
changes my view of the universe. There's some far bigger
picture going on than we're aware of in our usual
day to day earthly life. And that was really one
of those strong factors that led to me developing my
Near death Experience research website and beginning on my odyssey
(05:24):
of studying four thousand near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, I'm very happy that that happened for reasons of
that and being able to come in here and tell
us so many things. I also appreciate that because now
you know what it's like to be in my world
to go, uh, did anything happen? Because that crazy question
you thought was like, no, I'm not going to ask that.
I asked that all the time, like am I living
(05:48):
doing that? That's funny, Welcome to my world, but it's real.
It's a real deal and you know it is. And
when you know these things are real, you can't explain
them in you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
How how are you with that? Are you able to
explain this?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Because I know you're as you know, you're a doctor,
you're a scientific you're you've got here's the laws, this
is what, this is, what is and what isn't And
you can't explain some things.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
How do you how do you work with that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah? You know, I think part of it is that
you and I, I know it's both of us, Connie,
are open to mystery things we don't understand, literally pushing
the front tier of understanding the experiences we have on Earth.
What's going on? You know, the whole concept of near
death experiences occurring when they're unconscious or clinically dead. There
(06:37):
should be absolutely no way that physical brain function could
account for what people describe and near death experiences. But
by the thousands in my research and literally millions around
the world, near death experiences do happen. Their contents remarkably similar.
So I think part of it is just like you
and I, Connie, we're literally pioneers phenomena here on Earth
(07:02):
that you know, we asked that question did something happen?
And for so many people the answer is yes, and
they share these remarkable experiences and then we learn we
push the boundaries of knowledge here in our earthly life
and then share it with people around us. And it's
really exciting because I like being a pioneer. I like
being at the very leading edge of events like near
(07:24):
death experiences, bigfoot, UFOs, life after death. It's exciting that
that really is something of interest I think virtually everybody
and certainly very relevant to and interesting in living our
earthly lives in so many.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Ways, absolutely interesting. But not everybody's into it. They'll want
to just you know, block you, you know, put their
hand up to your face and say you're crazy and
nuts and things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But you know, I agree with you. I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We are pioneers, and it doesn't matter what your level
of education is behind this pioneer front line. It's more
about the experiences. What you see yourself. I mean, that's
the biggest and the best of them, what you witness yourself,
instead of hearing it from somebody else, somebody else, somebody else,
(08:15):
somebody else, but when you see it yourself and then
you hear it from other people you know who's on
the same track as you too.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You totally know where everybody's at with it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll be getting you guys up there and see a
little big foot or something like that. I'm looking forward
to that. I know you're looking forward to that too,
and Jody is as well.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I can't wait. I can't wait. It'll happen, It'll happen.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So before moving on to some other things, when you
have seen people because of your work die on the table,
do you ever recognize anything else other than the flatlining
and all that kind of stuff? Do you recognize any
other differences to me? You know, the magic, the magic
(09:03):
of life going away? Do you see it with your
own eyes before the machines tell you?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know, I really don't, Connie, I mean understand that
when I've been with people that have, as you say,
died on the table unfortunately a few times in my
medical practice. I mean there's the panic that we all had.
A group of us typically are there desperately trying to
bring them back to life. We realized we failed. There's
so many emotions we failed. Some one's died, I mean,
(09:32):
good gods, you know they have friends, family, loved ones.
Someone's going to have to go tell them. So I'm
not really if you will attuned to thinking about a
paranormal experience at that point in time. I mean, my
job as a physician is to try to deal with
the fact that we've got somebody that we gave it
our best shot and they didn't make it, and we've
(09:53):
got the whole family to share it with. We've got
that tragedy, the tears, the sadness out.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
When they come back.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Have you ever seen that where they come back at
the same they come right back or have you only
talked to people that have experienced that, or have you
seen it happen?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And if you have seen it happen, did you see
the magic come back?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I've seen I've seen people. Well I've heard about that.
I haven't really seen it in my own medical practice,
but you know, absolutely we have. There's there's a couple
different ways people can come back. Sometimes people will communicate
with other people. It's called after death communication. So they die,
and yet often right at the time they die, they
(10:36):
may be communicating with their friends, family, and loved ones,
and that can be visual. That can be a visual
awareness that the person died a auditory, they share something
if you will you know, quote verbally unquote, or there
can be a sensation of the deceased suddenly manifesting themselves
before their family, sometimes before they even know that that
(10:58):
person died, which is amazing and yet helps validate the
reality of these experiences. Another aspect of sort of coming
back is what we call terminal lucidity. That's something that's
very recently been discovered and characterized were people that are
often after chronic illnesses, they're on death door, they're on deathbed, friends,
(11:20):
family loved ones around, and then all of a sudden, startlingly,
they return to lucidity. They can talk, they can interact
in a way that they often couldn't have for days
or weeks even longer. So that's another sort of coming
back phenomena which I haven't personally witnessed, but literally hundreds
of reports like that have been characterized. It's sort of
(11:41):
the latest breaking thing in consciousness studies, and we don't
understand it. A very small, very very small percentage of
people that are on deathbed and seem to be dying
have that sort of criminal lucidity. But again, it's fascinating,
it's one more piece of the puzzle about consciousness and
how there's far more going on for all of us
(12:03):
than just our physical brain function.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Absolutely, and what's your goal of all of this? Once
you got into it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You're learning, learning, learning, pulling.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
All these things together, maybe finding patterns or not. But
what is your what's your goal? Now you've done it
long enough to go hmm, let's get to hear Is
there something like that in your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh? Absolutely, Connie. I'm first and foremost a scientists. So
when I do either medical research, which I've done in
the past, or near death experience research, my whole goal
is to find the truth. Let's find that greater understanding
of reality, wherever that path goes. I went into this
research with a very open mind. I wanted the facts
(12:47):
and the evidence to lead me down the path of
understanding towards helping to know for myself more about near
death experiences and then share it with the world. So
if this had gone down a completely different path with
the evidence that I found, I'd be saying something completely different.
Point being, Connie, I didn't start out with an agenda.
(13:09):
I didn't start out with the preconceived beliefs or concepts
of what I wanted to see in the evidence. I
really wanted to be led by the evidence. And oh gosh,
that's been an amazing journey. And of course, as a scientist,
I know that what is real is consistently observed and observe.
So to have thousands of people sharing such remarkably similar
(13:31):
experiences with that huge multiple lines of evidence, all converging
on the reality that there isn't afterlife, that there's far
more to consciousness, who we are, what we are, that
bigger picture literally of everything, that we are far more
than just physical brain function. That when our physical brain
function stops, consciousness goes on, and that we are going
(13:54):
to retain our memories, our personality, who we are, and
that that's going to go on into an afterlife is
best I can tell, an eternal afterlife. So that's exciting.
That's been my scientific journey is to characterize that, learn
more about that. Again, as we've discussed, I'm a pioneer
in this. You are a pioneer too, and so much
(14:14):
of what you're exploring, Connie, and so there's a lot
to be discovered. I continue my research because I know
what we don't know about near death experiences exceeds what
we do know, So as we carry that journey as
a scientist onward, I'm on an ongoing basis enthralled by
new things I'm learning and new opportunities to share that
(14:36):
with the world.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know, there's so many people that have a fear
of death, and then some have had that near death
experience and they come back without that fear at all.
They've changed as a person, like completely. But there's people
that have never had that near death experience that are
just deathly afraid of death. So have you turned as
(15:00):
have you turned anybody around? You think just by giving
the information out that you get about you think, has
anybody ever said anything too that has not had a
near death experience but just read your information?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Absolutely. That's one of the real glories of doing this
kind of research is because the conclusions are so awesome
about what the fact that there isn't afterlife, the fact
that we have our consciousness survive or modeling death. Carrying
that profoundly positive message to humanity has really been an
important part of what I've done with my modern life.
(15:35):
And in fact, I'm glad you brought up that fear
of death. I literally looked at the concept of fear
of death and people that have near death experiences, and
a peer of viewed publication I did that came out
last year. It was the largest study of changes in
people's values and beliefs after a near death experience that's
ever been reported. And interestingly, we had eight hundred and
(15:57):
thirty four people that had a near death experience in
this stuff and found that their fear of death was
dramatically reduced. I mean orders of magnitude reduced from the
time before their near death experience until the time after
their near death experience. I mean, these are people that
as a result of having had a near death experience
(16:17):
and reduced fear of death, they can live their life
more fearlessly. They can love with less inhibition than they
ever could before. They could take chances and move their
life forward. They could explore the meaning and purpose of
their life in new ways in a way that they
couldn't have previously because they were less fearful. Not only
(16:38):
less fearful of death, but also less fearful of living
their life out loud and to its fullness. So that's
absolutely evidence based up from the study I did and
many many other people that studied that phenomena, no question
about it, after a near death experience greatly reduced fear
of death. It's almost like Connie. They take a little
(16:59):
piece of of that heavenly wisdom that they understood during
their experience back to their earthly life and then share
it with other people. So absolutely that decreased fear of
death is not just only for people that have had
near death experiences.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Coast to Coast AM. Connie willis here and having
a good time. Jimmy Buffett tunes More to Come, Happy
Saint Patrick's Day to you, and just good stuff, good talk,
good conversation. I will be back. I think it's the
twenty first and the twenty second. I hope I am,
but I will be back. We'll have some really good guests.
One of them is going to be Mike Patterson Sasquatch, Ontario,
(00:25):
telling us more about NEF seeing what the latest is.
So he's got some good things, good things for us.
I've heard that he just recently had a lot of
new things happening, so we'll get some sound effects from
and to some good audio that kind of thing happening.
So that's always fun to have him on. That's the
twenty first, twenty second I pull my guests together. That'll
be a surprise for you right now. But tonight we've
(00:47):
got doctor Jeffrey Long with us discussing new groundbreaking findings
in the genre of near death experiences, remarkable new insights
from the most recent NDA research. But I want to
take him back to your very first Jeff, your very
first inde, not that you had one, but the very
(01:10):
first one that you recognize that you thought, oh my gosh,
this is really something, and it turned you on to
more of these.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, that is a great question, because that actually
did literally change my life when I heard the first
person to share their near death experience. That was again
decades ago. Connie. I was at the University of Iowa
where I did my medical training, and a college friend
was there with his wife maybe they were souldmates, and
(01:42):
we were having a meal, and in the course of
the meal, my friend's wife said that she had such
severe medical allergies that at one point she was under
anesthesia for an operation, had an allergic reaction so severe
that she coded her heart stopped. She stopped at that point. Now,
my medical instinct was, huh, I think there's more to
(02:05):
the story here. I've heard that from patients when they
have more to say, and I knew of near death experiences.
So Connie, and I'm going to I'm going to confess.
It's a true Confession's time. I was poised to ask
literally the dumbest question of my life. Here she was
under general anesthesia and her heart stopped. It should have
been absolutely and I knew medically, with every five of
(02:28):
my being impossible for her to have any remembrance at
that time. I mean, doesn't that make sense? And yet
I knew about near death experiences. So I thought about
this as a seconds went by, said I gotta ask,
I gotta ask. But that would be stupid to ask that.
So finally I had a plan be developed. I said,
if the other people at the table think if I
asked her if she had if she remembered something at
(02:51):
that time that she was under anesthesia and her heart stopped,
if people think that was the dumbest thing I ever said,
I'll just blame it on the fine beer. We're having it.
True story. So, emboldened by that plan b based on beer,
I found the courage to ask for which should have
been a crazy question. Okay, you were under anesthesia, your
(03:12):
heart stopped, do you remember anything? Did anything happened? And
she immediately her eyes lit up and she said why yes,
and went on to tell me a remarkable first near
death experience I'd ever heard of from another person, consciousness
over her body and in the operating room. And believe me,
I've been there medically, when someone's heart stops during surgery,
(03:35):
the EKG machine that measures heart electrical activity has all
sorts of noisy alarm. I mean, it's really dramatic, and
that's exactly what she saws. The operation team paniced at
that unexpected cessation of her heartbeat, and of course the
crash cart that you used to bring people back is
not immediately available, So she watched the panic and chaos
(03:58):
in the operating room, went through a tunnel winge of
that beautiful, unearthly, heavenly realm, immediately feeling great peace, love,
as so many other near death experiences described, beyond anything
they ever knew on earth, met some deceased loved ones
and had a very long dialogue with them in this
(04:19):
heavenly realm, and finally was given a choice about whether
she wanted to return to her physical body or not,
as we so often here, and she wasn't sure she
was in a strong sense of peace or connection in
that unearthly realm. Finally she decided to return back to
her physical body, and after she recovered from that very
(04:41):
close brush for death, she didn't know what happened. So
this was literally the first time she shared her near
death experience with anybody, and she still didn't know what
it was. So I told her I'd read about that
a long time ago, and I believe she had a
near death experience. Gave her some literature on that, and
from that moment I was hooked. Connie. I said to myself,
(05:02):
if this really happens, if this consistently happens, this completely
changes my view of the universe. There's some far bigger
picture going on than we're aware of in our usual
day to day earthly life. And that was really one
of those strong factors that led to me developing my
Near death Experience research website and beginning on my odyssey
(05:24):
of studying four thousand near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, I'm very happy that that happened for reasons of
that and being able to come in here and tell
us so many things. I also appreciate that because now
you know what it's like to be in my world
to go, uh, did anything happen? Because that crazy question
you thought was like, no, I'm not going to ask that.
I asked that all the time, like am I living
(05:48):
doing that? That's funny, Welcome to my world, but it's real.
It's a real deal and you know it is. And
when you know these things are real, you can't explain
them in you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
How how are you with that? Are you able to
explain this?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Because I know you're as you know, you're a doctor,
you're a scientific you're you've got here's the laws, this
is what, this is, what is and what isn't And
you can't explain some things.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
How do you how do you work with that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah? You know, I think part of it is that
you and I, I know it's both of us, Connie,
are open to mystery things we don't understand, literally pushing
the front tier of understanding the experiences we have on Earth.
What's going on? You know, the whole concept of near
death experiences occurring when they're unconscious or clinically dead. There
(06:37):
should be absolutely no way that physical brain function could
account for what people describe and near death experiences. But
by the thousands in my research and literally millions around
the world, near death experiences do happen. Their contents remarkably similar.
So I think part of it is just like you
and I, Connie, we're literally pioneers phenomena here on Earth
(07:02):
that you know, we asked that question did something happen?
And for so many people the answer is yes, and
they share these remarkable experiences and then we learn we
push the boundaries of knowledge here in our earthly life
and then share it with people around us. And it's
really exciting because I like being a pioneer. I like
being at the very leading edge of events like near
(07:24):
death experiences, bigfoot, UFOs, life after death. It's exciting that
that really is something of interest I think virtually everybody
and certainly very relevant to and interesting in living our
earthly lives in so many.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Ways, absolutely interesting. But not everybody's into it. They'll want
to just you know, block you, you know, put their
hand up to your face and say you're crazy and
nuts and things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But you know, I agree with you. I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We are pioneers, and it doesn't matter what your level
of education is behind this pioneer front line. It's more
about the experiences. What you see yourself. I mean, that's
the biggest and the best of them, what you witness yourself,
instead of hearing it from somebody else, somebody else, somebody else,
(08:15):
somebody else, but when you see it yourself and then
you hear it from other people you know who's on
the same track as you too.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You totally know where everybody's at with it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll be getting you guys up there and see a
little big foot or something like that. I'm looking forward
to that. I know you're looking forward to that too,
and Jody is as well.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I can't wait. I can't wait. It'll happen, It'll happen.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So before moving on to some other things, when you
have seen people because of your work die on the table,
do you ever recognize anything else other than the flatlining
and all that kind of stuff? Do you recognize any
other differences to me? You know, the magic, the magic
(09:03):
of life going away? Do you see it with your
own eyes before the machines tell you?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know, I really don't, Connie, I mean understand that
when I've been with people that have, as you say,
died on the table unfortunately a few times in my
medical practice. I mean there's the panic that we all had.
A group of us typically are there desperately trying to
bring them back to life. We realized we failed. There's
so many emotions we failed. Some one's died, I mean,
(09:32):
good gods, you know they have friends, family, loved ones.
Someone's going to have to go tell them. So I'm
not really if you will attuned to thinking about a
paranormal experience at that point in time. I mean, my
job as a physician is to try to deal with
the fact that we've got somebody that we gave it
our best shot and they didn't make it, and we've
(09:53):
got the whole family to share it with. We've got
that tragedy, the tears, the sadness out.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
When they come back.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Have you ever seen that where they come back at
the same they come right back or have you only
talked to people that have experienced that, or have you
seen it happen?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And if you have seen it happen, did you see
the magic come back?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I've seen I've seen people. Well I've heard about that.
I haven't really seen it in my own medical practice,
but you know, absolutely we have. There's there's a couple
different ways people can come back. Sometimes people will communicate
with other people. It's called after death communication. So they die,
and yet often right at the time they die, they
(10:36):
may be communicating with their friends, family, and loved ones,
and that can be visual. That can be a visual
awareness that the person died a auditory, they share something
if you will you know, quote verbally unquote, or there
can be a sensation of the deceased suddenly manifesting themselves
before their family, sometimes before they even know that that
(10:58):
person died, which is amazing and yet helps validate the
reality of these experiences. Another aspect of sort of coming
back is what we call terminal lucidity. That's something that's
very recently been discovered and characterized were people that are
often after chronic illnesses, they're on death door, they're on deathbed, friends,
(11:20):
family loved ones around, and then all of a sudden, startlingly,
they return to lucidity. They can talk, they can interact
in a way that they often couldn't have for days
or weeks even longer. So that's another sort of coming
back phenomena which I haven't personally witnessed, but literally hundreds
of reports like that have been characterized. It's sort of
(11:41):
the latest breaking thing in consciousness studies, and we don't
understand it. A very small, very very small percentage of
people that are on deathbed and seem to be dying
have that sort of criminal lucidity. But again, it's fascinating,
it's one more piece of the puzzle about consciousness and
how there's far more going on for all of us
(12:03):
than just our physical brain function.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Absolutely, and what's your goal of all of this? Once
you got into it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You're learning, learning, learning, pulling.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
All these things together, maybe finding patterns or not. But
what is your what's your goal? Now you've done it
long enough to go hmm, let's get to hear Is
there something like that in your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh? Absolutely, Connie. I'm first and foremost a scientists. So
when I do either medical research, which I've done in
the past, or near death experience research, my whole goal
is to find the truth. Let's find that greater understanding
of reality, wherever that path goes. I went into this
research with a very open mind. I wanted the facts
(12:47):
and the evidence to lead me down the path of
understanding towards helping to know for myself more about near
death experiences and then share it with the world. So
if this had gone down a completely different path with
the evidence that I found, I'd be saying something completely different.
Point being, Connie, I didn't start out with an agenda.
(13:09):
I didn't start out with the preconceived beliefs or concepts
of what I wanted to see in the evidence. I
really wanted to be led by the evidence. And oh gosh,
that's been an amazing journey. And of course, as a scientist,
I know that what is real is consistently observed and observe.
So to have thousands of people sharing such remarkably similar
(13:31):
experiences with that huge multiple lines of evidence, all converging
on the reality that there isn't afterlife, that there's far
more to consciousness, who we are, what we are, that
bigger picture literally of everything, that we are far more
than just physical brain function. That when our physical brain
function stops, consciousness goes on, and that we are going
(13:54):
to retain our memories, our personality, who we are, and
that that's going to go on into an afterlife is
best I can tell, an eternal afterlife. So that's exciting.
That's been my scientific journey is to characterize that, learn
more about that. Again, as we've discussed, I'm a pioneer
in this. You are a pioneer too, and so much
(14:14):
of what you're exploring, Connie, and so there's a lot
to be discovered. I continue my research because I know
what we don't know about near death experiences exceeds what
we do know, So as we carry that journey as
a scientist onward, I'm on an ongoing basis enthralled by
new things I'm learning and new opportunities to share that
(14:36):
with the world.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know, there's so many people that have a fear
of death, and then some have had that near death
experience and they come back without that fear at all.
They've changed as a person, like completely. But there's people
that have never had that near death experience that are
just deathly afraid of death. So have you turned as
(15:00):
have you turned anybody around? You think just by giving
the information out that you get about you think, has
anybody ever said anything too that has not had a
near death experience but just read your information?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Absolutely. That's one of the real glories of doing this
kind of research is because the conclusions are so awesome
about what the fact that there isn't afterlife, the fact
that we have our consciousness survive or modeling death. Carrying
that profoundly positive message to humanity has really been an
important part of what I've done with my modern life.
(15:35):
And in fact, I'm glad you brought up that fear
of death. I literally looked at the concept of fear
of death and people that have near death experiences, and
a peer of viewed publication I did that came out
last year. It was the largest study of changes in
people's values and beliefs after a near death experience that's
ever been reported. And interestingly, we had eight hundred and
(15:57):
thirty four people that had a near death experience in
this stuff and found that their fear of death was
dramatically reduced. I mean orders of magnitude reduced from the
time before their near death experience until the time after
their near death experience. I mean, these are people that
as a result of having had a near death experience
(16:17):
and reduced fear of death, they can live their life
more fearlessly. They can love with less inhibition than they
ever could before. They could take chances and move their
life forward. They could explore the meaning and purpose of
their life in new ways in a way that they
couldn't have previously because they were less fearful. Not only
(16:38):
less fearful of death, but also less fearful of living
their life out loud and to its fullness. So that's
absolutely evidence based up from the study I did and
many many other people that studied that phenomena, no question
about it, after a near death experience greatly reduced fear
of death. It's almost like Connie. They take a little
(16:59):
piece of of that heavenly wisdom that they understood during
their experience back to their earthly life and then share
it with other people. So absolutely that decreased fear of
death is not just only for people that have had
near death experiences.
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