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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
wilksplore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the
classic cases, and bring you the latest information from the
newest cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome
to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we have
the great honor of speaking with mister Danny Sheehan. Danny's
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a Harvard Law School and Harvard Divinity School trained constitutional
litigation and appellate attorney. For over five decades, his work
as a federal civil rights attorney author, public speaker, and
college law school professor has helped expose the structural sources
of injustice in this country. In twenty twenty three, Danny
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founded the New Paradigm Institute as an initiative of the
Romero Institute in order to inform the public of the
facts surrounding the UAP phenomenon and also to mobilize people
to take action. If you've listened to the show before,
you know how I feel about Danny and how I
think he's the most important person advocating for this issue.
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And we really appreciate all his hard work, and we
also appreciate him taking the time to talk to us
here today. So let's get right to it. Hey, Danny,
how you doing, sir?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Terrific? Yeah, super busy? I wait too good. Of course
you're busy, looking forward to contacting the discert. You're going
to be busy this year. I think you go first
and you might even go last. You're busy the whole time.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah, No, that's right, that's right. We're booked up. We
want to take advantage of every minute we're all together
there exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Let's jump into where we are today with this in government.
In twenty three we had that Schumer Rounds bill that
almost went through and then got gutted in late twenty three.
Where does that sit today? Are we still working on
that same bill or is there something new?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, no, it's the same one. That It's an important
decision has been made now that Schumer and Rounds, with
Schumer now no longer the majority leader, but they're still
joined at the hip on getting this bill reintroduced. The
Senate is in agreement, but both political parties are in
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agreement to resubmit it in exactly the same form, all
sixty four pages, including the provision on eminent domain. They're
doubling down on that at the Senate side, saying that's
absolutely essential. They've now succeeded over on the House side
that became the bottleneck for this that we only got
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twenty three of the sixty four pages past. But now
the Turner, Michael Turner, who was the main roadblock over
there on the House side, who was the chairman of
the Senate or the House Intelligence Committee, has been replaced.
You know, he hasn't left office, but he was replaced
from that position. And that now Dan Crenshaw from Texas,
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is there a much more amenable person to what we're
talking about, we believe, and so that we're we're looking
to get a substantial portion of the remainder of the
bill in there's another forty pages. Basically, the major aspect
of it is the establishment of this nine person review board.
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We've gotten a portion in already passed by the House,
commanding the military services and the intelligence agencies, and the
Defense Department agencies and the aerospace corporations to all gather
together every single bit of information they have about the
UFO issue dating back to January first in nineteen forty five.
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That command has been issued now even by the House,
So we got that portion done. But the next major
piece is getting the nine person review board on board
so that they can review all of that information and
make it available. Ideally, everything older than twenty five years
to be completely declassified and made public immediately, and then
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the board would be reviewing all of the additional information
and very importantly putting together a UAP or UFO controlled
disclosure campaign plan. That's a vital part of the role
of that board, and that's rolling out the information to
the public and in a choreographed way so that it
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can be effectively absorbed, so people aren't totally overwhelmed all
in one sitting, you know, But to roll this out
and at the same time be taking the steps necessary
to adjust the major institutions, both of our government and
on a planetary basis, to be able to absorb and
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constructively amend our institutions to utilize the information that will
be flowing in that follows the revelation of the existence
of this extraterrestrial civilization and the fact that the people
from the civilization are coming and going from our planet.
That's the sort of disclosure nut. But the question of
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what we do about it and how we adjust to it,
and what the new information is that they can convey
to us, and how we can absorb that and adjust
our policies and programs on our planet to become citizens
of a galactic civilization instead of being confined just as
a planetary species. So all of this is a huge
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thing that's going on. But that panel, that nine person
panel that will ultimately be appointed by the President, but
nominations to that will be made by ourselves. The New
Paradigm Institute is one of the groups that's been asked
to nominate people to that board, so that we want
to get that part passed by the House. We know
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that the whole bill, the whole sixty four page bill,
is going to be repassed by the Senate probably mid July.
Then it's going to go over to the House. We
have the twenty three repage bill that was passed already
by both houses has commanded the agencies that we listed
to gather all the information together that has to be
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made available by the end of September here of this year.
That's from the previous statute that's already been passed, so
that we're anticipating a major download of some of that
information into the National Archives, and then this board has
to be in place to really make use of it,
because it's one thing to get them all to deposit
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it in the National Archives in the classified section of
the Archives, but to get the Congress to be able
to absorb it and to understand what it's all saying.
We need to have this panel that can help organize
it and structure it and get it articulated to the
committees in Congress so that they can start developing pieces
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of legislation to respond to this. So all of that's
going on right now intense and even though you know,
the other big deal that's happened since the last gathering
that we have contact in the desert is the creation
of this task force that's been done in the House
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of Representatives, the House Oversight Committee that has been holding
these public hearings about the UFO issue has established a
task force. As eleven members of Congress that are on
this task force, and they are they are in the
process of getting set to hold a set of hearings
in the week of May twelfth. That task force has
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now announced that we're going to be holding a public hearing.
We're in dialogue with staff now about who the witnesses are.
This should be the first witnesses called. What kind of
questions need to be presented to them, what type of
evidence that they need to demand from the leads. The
nuclear witnesses, Well, it's clear yet that the nuclear witnesses
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are one of the prospects here that we have the
shutting down of the missiles, et cetera. You know, Bob
Solace and the others, those are candidates. And we're also
pressing in on getting people from the aerospace industry to
get them in there, to get them to come in
to admit publicly what they have. You know that they
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what they possess and what positions they are going to
take on making it available to the government. But they're
likely to resist the voluntary appearance. So it's going to
present the issue of getting Comber, who is the chairman
of the House Oversight Committee, has agreed to issue subpoenas
when necessary. That that probably isn't going to get resolved
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here in this first public hearing. But we're going to
try to get the task Force to invite the representatives
of the aerospace industry to come forward to talk about
volunteer what it is they have, But that's we're not
optimistic that they're going to yield to that without a subpoena.
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But I mean, to have this going on is remarkable.
I mean, to have this particular issue being a focus
of the Congress and having them being considering using subpoena
power to bring them in this is a This is
a major step forward in what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We got to take a break right here, brother, We'll
be right back. We're going to come back on the
other side with mister Shehan and get his thoughts on
how imminent disclosure could be and I want to get
his thoughts about deeper into this bill a little bit.
We'll be right back on Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Dan. Hey, Dany,
you were talking about this bill, and I've had this
question for a long time. I've been meaning to ask you.
So there's this idea that people like the doctor Greer
champion that there's probably this small core of people that
know this knowledge. This is not like within the government.
This is an unacknowledged black budget program. So either in
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that group or as you just mentioned, some of these companies,
these private companies that have this information, even if you
guys get this bill passed, isn't that black budget program?
And these companies both outside of the military and the government,
and therefore they're not going to give you anything because
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they're not subject to the rules of the government.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, it's interesting. The question that needs to get asked
is what the exact nature of any contracts out I mean,
a government contractor is in fact subject to rules and
regulations that are promulgated by the government, you know, as
a condition for entering into a contract, for example, to
provide any of these UFO materials that have been recovered
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by by a government program, to put those into the
hands of a private aerospace corporation to have them analyze it,
evaluate it, try to determine to what degree back engineering
can be successful of this material. Those those are government
contracts and they are obligated to report to Congress what
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they're doing, resume of those contracts, and actually even constitutional
principles apply to them. For example, you know, equal employment opportunity,
you know racial protections, you know gender discriminations. All of
those things that are part of the constitutional framework via
is to be the government apply to government contractors. Now
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the private aerospace corporations like to pretend that they don't,
but they're getting all the benefits of being a unique
contractor to the government and being put into possession of
these materials, you know, so that they're going to have
to be held accountable. And the important thing is to
get KIRIS to basically stand up and compel them to
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tell them and answer them what they're doing. That's one
of the issues we're dealing with and talking with the
task force to see how aggressive they're going to be
in making the private aerospace corporations comply with these reporting requirements.
So that's a big one that's going on. Now. What's
happening is we're getting more and more support, however, from
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more and more members of the Senate and more and
more members of the House, because it's actually dawning on them.
This is true. You know that for example, when we
would go to meet with certain members of the House
and we say, well, you know, there's the Senate bill
that got passed, here's the sixty four page bill, and
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we lay a copy of the sixty four page bill
that got passed back in twenty twenty three, and these
people are totally stunned that they don't even know that
the bill was passed, and they see all the references
to non human intelligence and the actual term flying saucers,
you know, in UFOs in the bill, in the findings
of the Senate that the the the government agencies are
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in possession of this information and are required to him.
I mean, they're completely shocked. And so that we've got
an educating job still to do to educate the members
over on the House side and even some additional members
of the Senate. But we have we have advantages. Like
I was walking down the hall from a meeting with
one of the senators. Somebody came rushing out of a
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completely other senator's office and saying, oh, look that's that's
a Dan. She and the attorney and who was involved in,
you know, with doctor Greer, And they come rushing out
and saying, look at we want to get briefed in
on this. Can you come and meet with us? You know.
So there's there's a spontaneity that's now growing inside the
House and Senate of people wanting to be briefed in
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about this. And that's that's what we've been trying to achieve.
We're trying to get people being forward leaning and trying
to get this information rather than having to kind of
beat their door down.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, that's really exciting. It feels like you are making
some progress here, because I mean, for like thirteen years
since I met Steve Bassett, I've been hearing disclosures around
the corner, disclosures around the corner. Other people have been
seeing that, but I haven't really really heard that. I've
never believed it myself until just recently. I mean, in
twenty twenty five, have I heard people like George Knapp,
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and I believe yourself, doctor Greer and a few others
are talking about this really is something that's going to
be in the next year or two. We may actually
have some official government disclosure. Is that what you think?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yes, Oh, yes, I think we're going to be getting.
We're going to be getting some kind of a response
at the end of September. As to say, the dates
had been originally set at October twentieth of twenty twenty four,
they were supposed to turn all this information over to
the National Archives. They ask for an extension of time,
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and the National Archives gave them basically an additional year.
But if we think in terms of basically around the
first of October, this is supposed to be turned over
to the National Archives, and they're supposed to have gathered
this all together. So the bottom line is there's a
high level of expectancy that something additional is going to
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happen here. But they're going to be putting in place
through the passage of the legislation that the Senate's going
to repass, the sixty four page bill. The House is
going to be requested to take it up and to
decide how much of the additional forty pages that haven't
been passed yet is going to get passed, if not
all of it. And as I say, we're hoping that
the provision creating this special review board of all the
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information is going to get passed. We're optimistic that we're
going to be able to get at least that piece done,
and so therefore information is going to to flow into
the National Archives at least. And that means that the
members of Congress, the House and Senate, who have the
adequate clearances are going to be able to go and
review this. Now, our job is to get them to
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be interested enough to actually assign staff to go do it.
We're trying to figure out how the new Paradigm Institute,
which is the Citizens Group, you know, how we can
help them. That's one of the things you really discover
when you're really dealing with the people in Congress is
that they're so overwhelmed with so many things that they
have to do. It's really very very helpful to have
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a private citizen group that can gather the information together
and can condense it and put it into structured form
so that they can absorb it. You know, how do
you get twenty thousand pages of documents that have been released.
How do you get it condensed into a ten page
report with bullet points with references to an appendix as
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to where they can find. That's the kind of thing
that we're doing at the New Paradigm Institute, in addition
to very importantly organizing the people in all four hundred
and thirty five congressional districts to actually gather together and
get information from us so that we can educate them
about things that they may have heard about in the
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distance about UFOs, but they've heard about Roswell, it'd heard
about a few other major incidents. But there's a lot
of information that we need to get to them so
they can effectively reach out to their congress people and
to their senators to get those people elected representatives to
pay more attention to this issue. So that we're doing
the grassers organizing the public education. We've got a major
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computer system set up now every action where we can
craft for each of the four hundred and thirty five
congressional districts the particular information. Here's who your congress person is,
Here's the committees that he or she sits on, you know,
here's their past history with this issue. You know, uh
and uh and uh. And here are your local newspapers,
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here's the person you want to call to get a
letter to the editor in. Here's your local cable television station,
so you want to go on to the television. Here's
a script that's got information about it. So there's a
whole training process that's going on. This is what disclosure
has always had to be. This is what it has
to look like, you know. So we're dealing with the
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concrete practical tasks that are involved, but extremely importantly, once
once you get the disclosure, you know, what are the
steps that we need to get government to take to
really absorb this information and to practically translated into amendments
of our various institutions. We are going to be the
geopolitical impacts on our international treaties. How are we going
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to get the nation states here on our planet to
work together in a cooperative way, not to be at
at in any kind of conflict with each other. As
to how we're going to engage with the extraterrestrial beings.
You know that, And you know this is until until
people become absolutely viscerally convinced that it's true, they aren't
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going to want to pay attention to well, what do
we do about it? You know, they're waiting to be
completely convinced that it's true. So we're still sort of
at that stage of trying to get all the members
of Congress convinced so that they can get the rest
of the population convinced and so that we can cross
that line into dealing with what it is we're going
to do about it.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Absolutely, we're going to take another break right there. When
we come back, We're going to talk more with Dannie
about this and find out maybe what roof we have
that this is real and how we can convince these folks.
We'll be right back. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're
speaking with Danny Shen. Danny, we're talking about these Congress people.
Just like much of America doesn't really know about this issue.
They're not really up to speed on the issue like
those of us in the community are. How do we
get them to learn this, Like what is the strongest
piece of evidence? Where would I send people who are
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outside this community that will open their eyes that this
is a reality. What's the best place to tell them
that this is real?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, as it turns out that given the fact that
the members of Congress, in the House and in the
Senate realize that we're really, really a national security state,
that the United States government has been a national security
state basically since nineteen forty seven at the end of
World War Two, for the passage of the National Security Act,
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the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense
Intelligence Agency, et cetera. That were the whole period of
the Cold War that ran from basically nineteen forty five
to nineteen ninety two. You know, that everything was prison
through this conflict between the West and the East, between
the United States basically in the Soviet Union, you know,
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and the debate was all over this issue of capitalism
and socialism, democratic rights as opposed to authoritarian governments. And
that used to be that used to be the criteria
that determined what it is they paid attention to. In
order to get their attention, it had to be had
to fall into that area. And so what we've discovered
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is that there's still suffering from that mindset.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
But the bottom line is the people that the senators
and the congress people were the most interested in hearing
from were the national security people, you know. And when
you get a person who's the head of the Pentagon
study of this investigation telling them right to their face
that this is true, and you get David Grush saying
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the same thing, who is from the National Reconnaissance Office
and also from the National Geospatial Intelligence Center. I mean,
these are hardcore military intelligence organizations coming right out of
the Cold War, telling the Senators and congress people right
to their face under oath, that this is true. That's
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what we're finding is the most effective thing right now.
And of course what the some of the senators and
Congress when they're saying, is well, show me, you know,
can you show me pictures? Christopher Mellen, the former Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence both for the Republican
and Democratic administrations, has joined in and said, yes, this
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is true. I'm telling you that this is true. Well,
and here are some pictures. Here are gun camera footage
videos taken of these UFOs. Right. And so now we've
gotten the Senate, at least the Senate Intelligence Committee and
the Senate Armed Services Committee, and miraculously the leadership of
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both political parties agreeing that they are demanding that this
information be provided at least to the Congress out of
the executive branch agencies where they are okay. And so
that's what we're finding is the most effective means right now,
the actual video footage, the direct testimony under oath of
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people who are have high level national security clearances. But
we're still at a spot where, for example, the people
who are in the know are not willing to tell Congress,
and that raises a profound constitutional question. You know, how
can in the executive brand we're saying that they're in
possession of information about the existence of an extraterrestrial civilization
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and members of it coming and going from our planet, uh,
you know, and and not be willing to tell Congress
about it. You know that that's a major constitutional challenge.
And so some profound underlying constitutional questions are raised here,
which we hear that happening in more general terms for
the whole Trump administration. There's an awful lot of major
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constitutional questions going on now about the comparative authority between
the executive branch and Congress over certain decisions. For example,
whether whether they can fire you know, a third of
the entire workforce in the federal government without congressional authorization.
You know, there's a profound questions going out. But these
are these are occurring even inside the issue of the
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UFO issue. You know, of what the comparative authority is
a Congress to have oversight authority over this. So those
issues are going on now. Fortunately, those of us who
are constitutional attorneys are aware of those issues and that
we can lend some insight into how to resolve these
conflicts between the executive branch in the Congress, and so
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that we're playing a role at the New Paradigm Institute
in facilitating people from deep within the national security state
infrastructures coming forward to be willing to provide the information
to the House and Senate members. But they need to
be protected. They need to be protected against retaliation from
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that tiny group of people that are inside the national
intelligence community and the defense community, who will retaliate against them,
who will deprive them of any kind of promotions in
the future. That so the New Paradigm Institute is also
drafted a new fifteen page UFO Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Statue
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to give them special protections above and beyond other members
of the federal executive branch to come forward and be
completely protected against retaliation. Okay, And so that we've we've
profered that at the request of the House of Representatives,
we were asked by members of the House to draft
the bill. We've given it to them so they know
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what a gold standard protection system looks like. So that's
another issue. We're trying to get the House and Senate
to pass that into law so that this will open
the channel so that the people can come forward and
talk about this. But all of this is going on
right now. As I say that, you know, this is
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the kind of sausage making as they say, you know,
looking at how sausages are made, you know, and it's
not it's not romantic, and it's it's not, you know, thrilling.
But it's important to keep track of so that you
can get a product that comes out that is that
is highly appetizing, so that the average people are willing
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to consume it. And that's what we're doing right now.
But you also have to step back from this this
sausage making process of the details of the statute and
where we're at with the witnesses and who gets what
immunity is to testify and say, well, again, you know,
what in the world is going on here? What we've
done is we've reached the point after an eighty year period.
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You know, it's basically almost almost an entire lifetime of
a human being. You know, we've still got twenty years
more before we have a full hundred year lifespan of
a US. But the fact is we're in the fourth
quarter of this. You know, we're in the fourth quarter
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of the game now, and you know, all the players
know how each other is playing, and what the offensive
and defensive capabilities are of the players. But we're in
the fourth quarter right now. In all great contests are determined,
the outcome is determined by the fourth quarter, and that's
where we are right now. We're in the fourth quarter.
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We're not down into the two minute drill yet on this,
but we're definitely in the midway through the fourth quarter.
One final word I'll say on this, and that is is.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
That there is the process that has to be undertaken
of preparing our people to absorb some of these absolutely
extraordinary advances in knowledge and information, many of which may
go to some of these profound, fundamental questions.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
There needs to be steps taken to prepare our people
to absorb these things and absorb it, and those aren't
being taken yet because everybody's still fixated on trying to
overcome the denial that this is even true, and so
they won't spend time figuring out, Okay, assuming it's true,
what are we going to do about it? None, nobody's
doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
We need to take a break right there. When we
come back, we're going to talk more with Danny Shehan.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Aeronormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond
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Contact having a wonderful conversation getting the inside scoop from
Danny Shehan. Danny, why is it that this legacy program
as they often call it, these guys, why do they
want to keep this secret? Do you think, I mean,
there's speculation that you could have to do with our
nuclear program, It could have to do with many different things.
Do you think it's possible that maybe it's something way
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weirder that they know about. Let's pretend for one second
it's one of these extreme views that maybe these aliens
are our souls coming back and wearing a gray alien
something really extreme belief. If it's something like that, that
might not be palatable to people. They might be able
to accept nuts and bolts craft driving across the universe
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and coming here, that's palatable. What if it's one of
these weirder things, inter dimensional beings or something like that.
Maybe people aren't ready for it, and that's why they
want to keep it secret.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
What do you think, Well, usually usually things are more
mundane than that. You know, what we have here is
we have a private aerospace corporations, you know, Lockey Martin,
you know in Grumming. You know that they want to
have patents on this technology. You know that they've been
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put into possession of some of the materials have been
recovered from crash sites and other sites that where UFOs
have been basically invited in and captured actually what has
been going on, and then they've been given access to
the craft to back engineer them and try to develop
you know, spin off industries from this technology. This this
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represents hundreds of billions of dollars of potential profit. If
they can get patents on this technology, that they will
basically license access to this technology back to our country
and make billions of dollars in licensing fees. You know. So,
I mean there's this basic greed and avarice motivation at
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the base of this which is intrinsic to capitalists corporations.
You know, we all know that that they're the bottom
line is all they're interested in. You know, they're not
into some sort of more illeomcenary, public spirited motive.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know, it feels bigger than that. This is bigger
than typical things, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. But the
problem is that corporations are constructed in such a way
that they blocked themselves off from those higher considerations. In fact,
you can be dismissed from the board of directors of
a corporation for trying to take into account the public
interest as distinct from your short term profits that are
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going to be shared by the shareholders. You know, it's
a terrible it's a terrible business mechanism that we have
operational in the country. And so that's that is a
major part of the pushback that we're getting. The choreographing
of the resistance to the passage of the sixty four
page bill was coming out of the private aerospace corporations,
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and they were leaning in on, for example, Mike Turner,
you know, the head of the Intelligence Committee of you know,
just blocking the passage of this, and they're basically saying,
you know, we're going to withdraw paying for your campaign,
you know, if you don't do what we tell you
to do. I mean, it's really crass. But that's one
part of it, Okay. Then there's this other part of it,
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and that that's just so you know that that's one
of them, is very real and it's operational. The second
one is that there are people that have been involved
in the Legacy program who have been engaged in what
is patently criminal conduct, you know, I mean, they've been
engaged in perjury to the Congress, denying that there is
any such thing as you know, they didn't even acknowledge
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that UFOs were real until the last few years. You know,
they were denying that they were even real. It was
all swamp gas and mistaken flocks of birds, you know.
I mean, they had this entire criminal campaign going on
of perjuring themselves to Congress and so that they're afraid
that you know, if they now come clean and start
admitting all the stuff that the truth of what this
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is that Congress is going to demand to know why
they were lying to them, you know, and that the
answer to that is because they've been engaged in other
criminal conduct. They've been in bezling money, for example, from
other programs, secretly funneling it into this so they could
keep it secret that they were in possession of these
UFOs and that they back engineering them, and that they
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were trying to you know, give patents, unique patents to
the companies who would then employ them when they retired,
you know, from being general officers. There are people inside
the intelligence community that get hired for five hundred thousand
dollars a year as consultants to these major aerospace corporates.
Those are all the dog bites man, you know, kind
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of stories that go on. So the second, the second element,
you know, over and above the corporations themselves trying to
make money on it and keep it secret, is that
people inside the government that we're working with them and
committing crimes to keep it concealed, are afraid of getting prosecuted,
and so they're demanding as a part and parcel of
this whole disclosure process, that there also be an immunity
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program set up for them all the way onto a
peace and reconciliation type of commission like happened in South
Africa when apartheid was deconstructed. So that's going on, and
so they have been a third and they and they
consider a revelation of the reality of this whole whole
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program that's going on to threaten what they call catastrophic disclosure.
And it's not a matter of the substance of what
the UFOs are all about. It's a matter of the
crimes that they've committed in the past, a very mundane
problem that they've got. But then there's a third category,
which is the one you raised, Well, could there be
something about the UFO phenomenon that they think that you
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can't tell people about it because you know, they'll all
freak out or jump out of a first story window
or something. You know, if they hear about it. You
have to be careful when people who are asserting that
are keeping secrets which they're afraid are going to result
in their prosecution. You know, you have to question the
credibility of the kind of make weight arguments that they
(36:51):
come up with, you know, and you start they what
they want you to do is be creative as possible
and trying to think of some extraordinarily outlandish thing that
would be so frightening to everybody that you know that
you'll go along with them, continuing to keep a secret.
You know that that isn't likely here. Now that's not
to say that there are some very extremely interesting and
(37:14):
disquieting facts that have to do with the revelation here.
But on the other hand, if you understand that our
whole universe is thirteen point seven billion years old, our
stun our star is only four point five billion years old,
our planet's only three point seven billion years old. So
there are other galaxies in planets and star systems that
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are six or seven billion years older than we are.
And so they could they could have a civilization that
is six or seven billion years in advance of us,
not only technologically, but philosophically, you know, spiritually, theologically, you know,
and very very importantly, very importantly, you know, they may
have been able to probe into some of the most
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profound scientific secrets that we still haven't been able to
figure out. We still don't know exactly how the universe began.
We don't know exactly what the end product of the
universe is going to be. Is it unfolding to the
point where all matter in the universe will ultimately disintegrate
into its constituent parts, you know, pursue it to the
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rate of atomic breakdown of every element, you know, and
the whole universe is going to disappear ultimately, you know.
And what about the relationship of consciousness. Did consciousness precede
the material manifestation of our universe? Or is human consciousness
an epiphenomenon of the interaction between mass and energy in
some way? You know that these are profound, the fundamental
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questions that afflict us as a human species. And what if,
in fact, they've all figured out the answer to those things,
and they come to us and they say, here's the
definitive answers to how the universe began, here's the definitive
answers to how it's functioning, and whether it'll oscillate back
and forth and do us from a state of absolute
energy to absolute mass and it will go on perpetually
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going to dissolve into nothingness?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And if they come in with definitive answer to these profound,
fundamental questions. The question is then, what happens about our
free will? Do we get to disagree with that? Do
we get to say, oh, you know, we're still we
still haven't quite figured all these things out, you know,
And we've got a whole spectrum of world views, We've
got an entire octave of human world views that have
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all been built up over different suppositions about the answer
to those questions. And so you know, what happens to
our free will? What happens to our right of being wrong?
You know? I mean, are we would we be allowed
to still be operating on some kind of Neanderthal theory
of the in that regard?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yes, Hey, Danny, thanks for sharing all this with us.
I feel you've revealed how much more complex disclosure is.
It's not as simple as people think it is. Just
say that this is real. It's not like that. It's
way more complex issue. Well, Danny, thank you again. We
will see you at contact in the desert here shortly,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Absolutely, we'll all be there, you know, everybody, come, everybody,
come to the come to the contact in the desert.
Everybody else is going to be there.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yep, that's true. It's a great place. It's a lot
of fun, all right, everybody. Thank you Danny and when
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
wilksplore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the
classic cases, and bring you the latest information from the
newest cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome
to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we have
the great honor of speaking with mister Danny Sheehan. Danny's
(01:18):
a Harvard Law School and Harvard Divinity School trained constitutional
litigation and appellate attorney. For over five decades, his work
as a federal civil rights attorney author, public speaker, and
college law school professor has helped expose the structural sources
of injustice in this country. In twenty twenty three, Danny
(01:40):
founded the New Paradigm Institute as an initiative of the
Romero Institute in order to inform the public of the
facts surrounding the UAP phenomenon and also to mobilize people
to take action. If you've listened to the show before,
you know how I feel about Danny and how I
think he's the most important person advocating for this issue.
(02:01):
And we really appreciate all his hard work, and we
also appreciate him taking the time to talk to us
here today. So let's get right to it. Hey, Danny,
how you doing, sir?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Terrific? Yeah, super busy? I wait too good. Of course
you're busy, looking forward to contacting the discert. You're going
to be busy this year. I think you go first
and you might even go last. You're busy the whole time.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah, No, that's right, that's right. We're booked up. We
want to take advantage of every minute we're all together
there exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Let's jump into where we are today with this in government.
In twenty three we had that Schumer Rounds bill that
almost went through and then got gutted in late twenty three.
Where does that sit today? Are we still working on
that same bill or is there something new?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, no, it's the same one. That It's an important
decision has been made now that Schumer and Rounds, with
Schumer now no longer the majority leader, but they're still
joined at the hip on getting this bill reintroduced. The
Senate is in agreement, but both political parties are in
(03:09):
agreement to resubmit it in exactly the same form, all
sixty four pages, including the provision on eminent domain. They're
doubling down on that at the Senate side, saying that's
absolutely essential. They've now succeeded over on the House side
that became the bottleneck for this that we only got
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twenty three of the sixty four pages past. But now
the Turner, Michael Turner, who was the main roadblock over
there on the House side, who was the chairman of
the Senate or the House Intelligence Committee, has been replaced.
You know, he hasn't left office, but he was replaced
from that position. And that now Dan Crenshaw from Texas,
(03:53):
is there a much more amenable person to what we're
talking about, we believe, and so that we're we're looking
to get a substantial portion of the remainder of the
bill in there's another forty pages. Basically, the major aspect
of it is the establishment of this nine person review board.
(04:15):
We've gotten a portion in already passed by the House,
commanding the military services and the intelligence agencies, and the
Defense Department agencies and the aerospace corporations to all gather
together every single bit of information they have about the
UFO issue dating back to January first in nineteen forty five.
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That command has been issued now even by the House,
So we got that portion done. But the next major
piece is getting the nine person review board on board
so that they can review all of that information and
make it available. Ideally, everything older than twenty five years
to be completely declassified and made public immediately, and then
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the board would be reviewing all of the additional information
and very importantly putting together a UAP or UFO controlled
disclosure campaign plan. That's a vital part of the role
of that board, and that's rolling out the information to
the public and in a choreographed way so that it
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can be effectively absorbed, so people aren't totally overwhelmed all
in one sitting, you know, But to roll this out
and at the same time be taking the steps necessary
to adjust the major institutions, both of our government and
on a planetary basis, to be able to absorb and
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constructively amend our institutions to utilize the information that will
be flowing in that follows the revelation of the existence
of this extraterrestrial civilization and the fact that the people
from the civilization are coming and going from our planet.
That's the sort of disclosure nut. But the question of
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what we do about it and how we adjust to it,
and what the new information is that they can convey
to us, and how we can absorb that and adjust
our policies and programs on our planet to become citizens
of a galactic civilization instead of being confined just as
a planetary species. So all of this is a huge
(06:28):
thing that's going on. But that panel, that nine person
panel that will ultimately be appointed by the President, but
nominations to that will be made by ourselves. The New
Paradigm Institute is one of the groups that's been asked
to nominate people to that board, so that we want
to get that part passed by the House. We know
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that the whole bill, the whole sixty four page bill,
is going to be repassed by the Senate probably mid July.
Then it's going to go over to the House. We
have the twenty three repage bill that was passed already
by both houses has commanded the agencies that we listed
to gather all the information together that has to be
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made available by the end of September here of this year.
That's from the previous statute that's already been passed, so
that we're anticipating a major download of some of that
information into the National Archives, and then this board has
to be in place to really make use of it,
because it's one thing to get them all to deposit
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it in the National Archives in the classified section of
the Archives, but to get the Congress to be able
to absorb it and to understand what it's all saying.
We need to have this panel that can help organize
it and structure it and get it articulated to the
committees in Congress so that they can start developing pieces
(07:54):
of legislation to respond to this. So all of that's
going on right now intense and even though you know,
the other big deal that's happened since the last gathering
that we have contact in the desert is the creation
of this task force that's been done in the House
(08:16):
of Representatives, the House Oversight Committee that has been holding
these public hearings about the UFO issue has established a
task force. As eleven members of Congress that are on
this task force, and they are they are in the
process of getting set to hold a set of hearings
in the week of May twelfth. That task force has
(08:40):
now announced that we're going to be holding a public hearing.
We're in dialogue with staff now about who the witnesses are.
This should be the first witnesses called. What kind of
questions need to be presented to them, what type of
evidence that they need to demand from the leads. The
nuclear witnesses, Well, it's clear yet that the nuclear witnesses
(09:02):
are one of the prospects here that we have the
shutting down of the missiles, et cetera. You know, Bob
Solace and the others, those are candidates. And we're also
pressing in on getting people from the aerospace industry to
get them in there, to get them to come in
to admit publicly what they have. You know that they
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what they possess and what positions they are going to
take on making it available to the government. But they're
likely to resist the voluntary appearance. So it's going to
present the issue of getting Comber, who is the chairman
of the House Oversight Committee, has agreed to issue subpoenas
when necessary. That that probably isn't going to get resolved
(09:45):
here in this first public hearing. But we're going to
try to get the task Force to invite the representatives
of the aerospace industry to come forward to talk about
volunteer what it is they have, But that's we're not
optimistic that they're going to yield to that without a subpoena.
(10:05):
But I mean, to have this going on is remarkable.
I mean, to have this particular issue being a focus
of the Congress and having them being considering using subpoena
power to bring them in this is a This is
a major step forward in what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We got to take a break right here, brother, We'll
be right back. We're going to come back on the
other side with mister Shehan and get his thoughts on
how imminent disclosure could be and I want to get
his thoughts about deeper into this bill a little bit.
We'll be right back on Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
(10:58):
back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Dan. Hey, Dany,
you were talking about this bill, and I've had this
question for a long time. I've been meaning to ask you.
So there's this idea that people like the doctor Greer
champion that there's probably this small core of people that
know this knowledge. This is not like within the government.
This is an unacknowledged black budget program. So either in
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that group or as you just mentioned, some of these companies,
these private companies that have this information, even if you
guys get this bill passed, isn't that black budget program?
And these companies both outside of the military and the government,
and therefore they're not going to give you anything because
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they're not subject to the rules of the government.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, it's interesting. The question that needs to get asked
is what the exact nature of any contracts out I mean,
a government contractor is in fact subject to rules and
regulations that are promulgated by the government, you know, as
a condition for entering into a contract, for example, to
provide any of these UFO materials that have been recovered
(12:06):
by by a government program, to put those into the
hands of a private aerospace corporation to have them analyze it,
evaluate it, try to determine to what degree back engineering
can be successful of this material. Those those are government
contracts and they are obligated to report to Congress what
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they're doing, resume of those contracts, and actually even constitutional
principles apply to them. For example, you know, equal employment opportunity,
you know racial protections, you know gender discriminations. All of
those things that are part of the constitutional framework via
is to be the government apply to government contractors. Now
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the private aerospace corporations like to pretend that they don't,
but they're getting all the benefits of being a unique
contractor to the government and being put into possession of
these materials, you know, so that they're going to have
to be held accountable. And the important thing is to
get KIRIS to basically stand up and compel them to
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tell them and answer them what they're doing. That's one
of the issues we're dealing with and talking with the
task force to see how aggressive they're going to be
in making the private aerospace corporations comply with these reporting requirements.
So that's a big one that's going on. Now. What's
happening is we're getting more and more support, however, from
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more and more members of the Senate and more and
more members of the House, because it's actually dawning on them.
This is true. You know that for example, when we
would go to meet with certain members of the House
and we say, well, you know, there's the Senate bill
that got passed, here's the sixty four page bill, and
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we lay a copy of the sixty four page bill
that got passed back in twenty twenty three, and these
people are totally stunned that they don't even know that
the bill was passed, and they see all the references
to non human intelligence and the actual term flying saucers,
you know, in UFOs in the bill, in the findings
of the Senate that the the the government agencies are
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in possession of this information and are required to him.
I mean, they're completely shocked. And so that we've got
an educating job still to do to educate the members
over on the House side and even some additional members
of the Senate. But we have we have advantages. Like
I was walking down the hall from a meeting with
one of the senators. Somebody came rushing out of a
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completely other senator's office and saying, oh, look that's that's
a Dan. She and the attorney and who was involved in,
you know, with doctor Greer, And they come rushing out
and saying, look at we want to get briefed in
on this. Can you come and meet with us? You know.
So there's there's a spontaneity that's now growing inside the
House and Senate of people wanting to be briefed in
(14:58):
about this. And that's that's what we've been trying to achieve.
We're trying to get people being forward leaning and trying
to get this information rather than having to kind of
beat their door down.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, that's really exciting. It feels like you are making
some progress here, because I mean, for like thirteen years
since I met Steve Bassett, I've been hearing disclosures around
the corner, disclosures around the corner. Other people have been
seeing that, but I haven't really really heard that. I've
never believed it myself until just recently. I mean, in
twenty twenty five, have I heard people like George Knapp,
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and I believe yourself, doctor Greer and a few others
are talking about this really is something that's going to
be in the next year or two. We may actually
have some official government disclosure. Is that what you think?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yes, Oh, yes, I think we're going to be getting.
We're going to be getting some kind of a response
at the end of September. As to say, the dates
had been originally set at October twentieth of twenty twenty four,
they were supposed to turn all this information over to
the National Archives. They ask for an extension of time,
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and the National Archives gave them basically an additional year.
But if we think in terms of basically around the
first of October, this is supposed to be turned over
to the National Archives, and they're supposed to have gathered
this all together. So the bottom line is there's a
high level of expectancy that something additional is going to
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happen here. But they're going to be putting in place
through the passage of the legislation that the Senate's going
to repass, the sixty four page bill. The House is
going to be requested to take it up and to
decide how much of the additional forty pages that haven't
been passed yet is going to get passed, if not
all of it. And as I say, we're hoping that
the provision creating this special review board of all the
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information is going to get passed. We're optimistic that we're
going to be able to get at least that piece done,
and so therefore information is going to to flow into
the National Archives at least. And that means that the
members of Congress, the House and Senate, who have the
adequate clearances are going to be able to go and
review this. Now, our job is to get them to
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be interested enough to actually assign staff to go do it.
We're trying to figure out how the new Paradigm Institute,
which is the Citizens Group, you know, how we can
help them. That's one of the things you really discover
when you're really dealing with the people in Congress is
that they're so overwhelmed with so many things that they
have to do. It's really very very helpful to have
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a private citizen group that can gather the information together
and can condense it and put it into structured form
so that they can absorb it. You know, how do
you get twenty thousand pages of documents that have been released.
How do you get it condensed into a ten page
report with bullet points with references to an appendix as
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to where they can find. That's the kind of thing
that we're doing at the New Paradigm Institute, in addition
to very importantly organizing the people in all four hundred
and thirty five congressional districts to actually gather together and
get information from us so that we can educate them
about things that they may have heard about in the
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distance about UFOs, but they've heard about Roswell, it'd heard
about a few other major incidents. But there's a lot
of information that we need to get to them so
they can effectively reach out to their congress people and
to their senators to get those people elected representatives to
pay more attention to this issue. So that we're doing
the grassers organizing the public education. We've got a major
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computer system set up now every action where we can
craft for each of the four hundred and thirty five
congressional districts the particular information. Here's who your congress person is,
Here's the committees that he or she sits on, you know,
here's their past history with this issue. You know, uh
and uh and uh. And here are your local newspapers,
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here's the person you want to call to get a
letter to the editor in. Here's your local cable television station,
so you want to go on to the television. Here's
a script that's got information about it. So there's a
whole training process that's going on. This is what disclosure
has always had to be. This is what it has
to look like, you know. So we're dealing with the
(19:27):
concrete practical tasks that are involved, but extremely importantly, once
once you get the disclosure, you know, what are the
steps that we need to get government to take to
really absorb this information and to practically translated into amendments
of our various institutions. We are going to be the
geopolitical impacts on our international treaties. How are we going
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to get the nation states here on our planet to
work together in a cooperative way, not to be at
at in any kind of conflict with each other. As
to how we're going to engage with the extraterrestrial beings.
You know that, And you know this is until until
people become absolutely viscerally convinced that it's true, they aren't
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going to want to pay attention to well, what do
we do about it? You know, they're waiting to be
completely convinced that it's true. So we're still sort of
at that stage of trying to get all the members
of Congress convinced so that they can get the rest
of the population convinced and so that we can cross
that line into dealing with what it is we're going
to do about it.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Absolutely, we're going to take another break right there. When
we come back, We're going to talk more with Dannie
about this and find out maybe what roof we have
that this is real and how we can convince these folks.
We'll be right back. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(21:10):
We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're
speaking with Danny Shen. Danny, we're talking about these Congress people.
Just like much of America doesn't really know about this issue.
They're not really up to speed on the issue like
those of us in the community are. How do we
get them to learn this, Like what is the strongest
piece of evidence? Where would I send people who are
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outside this community that will open their eyes that this
is a reality. What's the best place to tell them
that this is real?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, as it turns out that given the fact that
the members of Congress, in the House and in the
Senate realize that we're really, really a national security state,
that the United States government has been a national security
state basically since nineteen forty seven at the end of
World War Two, for the passage of the National Security Act,
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the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense
Intelligence Agency, et cetera. That were the whole period of
the Cold War that ran from basically nineteen forty five
to nineteen ninety two. You know, that everything was prison
through this conflict between the West and the East, between
the United States basically in the Soviet Union, you know,
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and the debate was all over this issue of capitalism
and socialism, democratic rights as opposed to authoritarian governments. And
that used to be that used to be the criteria
that determined what it is they paid attention to. In
order to get their attention, it had to be had
to fall into that area. And so what we've discovered
(22:45):
is that there's still suffering from that mindset.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
But the bottom line is the people that the senators
and the congress people were the most interested in hearing
from were the national security people, you know. And when
you get a person who's the head of the Pentagon
study of this investigation telling them right to their face
that this is true, and you get David Grush saying
(23:11):
the same thing, who is from the National Reconnaissance Office
and also from the National Geospatial Intelligence Center. I mean,
these are hardcore military intelligence organizations coming right out of
the Cold War, telling the Senators and congress people right
to their face under oath, that this is true. That's
(23:33):
what we're finding is the most effective thing right now.
And of course what the some of the senators and
Congress when they're saying, is well, show me, you know,
can you show me pictures? Christopher Mellen, the former Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence both for the Republican
and Democratic administrations, has joined in and said, yes, this
(23:57):
is true. I'm telling you that this is true. Well,
and here are some pictures. Here are gun camera footage
videos taken of these UFOs. Right. And so now we've
gotten the Senate, at least the Senate Intelligence Committee and
the Senate Armed Services Committee, and miraculously the leadership of
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both political parties agreeing that they are demanding that this
information be provided at least to the Congress out of
the executive branch agencies where they are okay. And so
that's what we're finding is the most effective means right now,
the actual video footage, the direct testimony under oath of
(24:43):
people who are have high level national security clearances. But
we're still at a spot where, for example, the people
who are in the know are not willing to tell Congress,
and that raises a profound constitutional question. You know, how
can in the executive brand we're saying that they're in
possession of information about the existence of an extraterrestrial civilization
(25:07):
and members of it coming and going from our planet, uh,
you know, and and not be willing to tell Congress
about it. You know that that's a major constitutional challenge.
And so some profound underlying constitutional questions are raised here,
which we hear that happening in more general terms for
the whole Trump administration. There's an awful lot of major
(25:30):
constitutional questions going on now about the comparative authority between
the executive branch and Congress over certain decisions. For example,
whether whether they can fire you know, a third of
the entire workforce in the federal government without congressional authorization.
You know, there's a profound questions going out. But these
are these are occurring even inside the issue of the
(25:54):
UFO issue. You know, of what the comparative authority is
a Congress to have oversight authority over this. So those
issues are going on now. Fortunately, those of us who
are constitutional attorneys are aware of those issues and that
we can lend some insight into how to resolve these
conflicts between the executive branch in the Congress, and so
(26:17):
that we're playing a role at the New Paradigm Institute
in facilitating people from deep within the national security state
infrastructures coming forward to be willing to provide the information
to the House and Senate members. But they need to
be protected. They need to be protected against retaliation from
(26:38):
that tiny group of people that are inside the national
intelligence community and the defense community, who will retaliate against them,
who will deprive them of any kind of promotions in
the future. That so the New Paradigm Institute is also
drafted a new fifteen page UFO Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Statue
(27:00):
to give them special protections above and beyond other members
of the federal executive branch to come forward and be
completely protected against retaliation. Okay, And so that we've we've
profered that at the request of the House of Representatives,
we were asked by members of the House to draft
the bill. We've given it to them so they know
(27:21):
what a gold standard protection system looks like. So that's
another issue. We're trying to get the House and Senate
to pass that into law so that this will open
the channel so that the people can come forward and
talk about this. But all of this is going on
right now. As I say that, you know, this is
(27:41):
the kind of sausage making as they say, you know,
looking at how sausages are made, you know, and it's
not it's not romantic, and it's it's not, you know, thrilling.
But it's important to keep track of so that you
can get a product that comes out that is that
is highly appetizing, so that the average people are willing
(28:03):
to consume it. And that's what we're doing right now.
But you also have to step back from this this
sausage making process of the details of the statute and
where we're at with the witnesses and who gets what
immunity is to testify and say, well, again, you know,
what in the world is going on here? What we've
done is we've reached the point after an eighty year period.
(28:26):
You know, it's basically almost almost an entire lifetime of
a human being. You know, we've still got twenty years
more before we have a full hundred year lifespan of
a US. But the fact is we're in the fourth
quarter of this. You know, we're in the fourth quarter
(28:48):
of the game now, and you know, all the players
know how each other is playing, and what the offensive
and defensive capabilities are of the players. But we're in
the fourth quarter right now. In all great contests are determined,
the outcome is determined by the fourth quarter, and that's
where we are right now. We're in the fourth quarter.
(29:09):
We're not down into the two minute drill yet on this,
but we're definitely in the midway through the fourth quarter.
One final word I'll say on this, and that is is.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
That there is the process that has to be undertaken
of preparing our people to absorb some of these absolutely
extraordinary advances in knowledge and information, many of which may
go to some of these profound, fundamental questions.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
There needs to be steps taken to prepare our people
to absorb these things and absorb it, and those aren't
being taken yet because everybody's still fixated on trying to
overcome the denial that this is even true, and so
they won't spend time figuring out, Okay, assuming it's true,
what are we going to do about it? None, nobody's
doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
We need to take a break right there. When we
come back, we're going to talk more with Danny Shehan.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Aeronormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond
(30:30):
Contact having a wonderful conversation getting the inside scoop from
Danny Shehan. Danny, why is it that this legacy program
as they often call it, these guys, why do they
want to keep this secret? Do you think, I mean,
there's speculation that you could have to do with our
nuclear program, It could have to do with many different things.
Do you think it's possible that maybe it's something way
(30:54):
weirder that they know about. Let's pretend for one second
it's one of these extreme views that maybe these aliens
are our souls coming back and wearing a gray alien
something really extreme belief. If it's something like that, that
might not be palatable to people. They might be able
to accept nuts and bolts craft driving across the universe
(31:16):
and coming here, that's palatable. What if it's one of
these weirder things, inter dimensional beings or something like that.
Maybe people aren't ready for it, and that's why they
want to keep it secret.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
What do you think, Well, usually usually things are more
mundane than that. You know, what we have here is
we have a private aerospace corporations, you know, Lockey Martin,
you know in Grumming. You know that they want to
have patents on this technology. You know that they've been
(31:49):
put into possession of some of the materials have been
recovered from crash sites and other sites that where UFOs
have been basically invited in and captured actually what has
been going on, and then they've been given access to
the craft to back engineer them and try to develop
you know, spin off industries from this technology. This this
(32:13):
represents hundreds of billions of dollars of potential profit. If
they can get patents on this technology, that they will
basically license access to this technology back to our country
and make billions of dollars in licensing fees. You know. So,
I mean there's this basic greed and avarice motivation at
(32:34):
the base of this which is intrinsic to capitalists corporations.
You know, we all know that that they're the bottom
line is all they're interested in. You know, they're not
into some sort of more illeomcenary, public spirited motive.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know, it feels bigger than that. This is bigger
than typical things, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. But the
problem is that corporations are constructed in such a way
that they blocked themselves off from those higher considerations. In fact,
you can be dismissed from the board of directors of
a corporation for trying to take into account the public
interest as distinct from your short term profits that are
(33:15):
going to be shared by the shareholders. You know, it's
a terrible it's a terrible business mechanism that we have
operational in the country. And so that's that is a
major part of the pushback that we're getting. The choreographing
of the resistance to the passage of the sixty four
page bill was coming out of the private aerospace corporations,
(33:36):
and they were leaning in on, for example, Mike Turner,
you know, the head of the Intelligence Committee of you know,
just blocking the passage of this, and they're basically saying,
you know, we're going to withdraw paying for your campaign,
you know, if you don't do what we tell you
to do. I mean, it's really crass. But that's one
part of it, Okay. Then there's this other part of it,
(33:57):
and that that's just so you know that that's one
of them, is very real and it's operational. The second
one is that there are people that have been involved
in the Legacy program who have been engaged in what
is patently criminal conduct, you know, I mean, they've been
engaged in perjury to the Congress, denying that there is
any such thing as you know, they didn't even acknowledge
(34:20):
that UFOs were real until the last few years. You know,
they were denying that they were even real. It was
all swamp gas and mistaken flocks of birds, you know.
I mean, they had this entire criminal campaign going on
of perjuring themselves to Congress and so that they're afraid
that you know, if they now come clean and start
admitting all the stuff that the truth of what this
(34:41):
is that Congress is going to demand to know why
they were lying to them, you know, and that the
answer to that is because they've been engaged in other
criminal conduct. They've been in bezling money, for example, from
other programs, secretly funneling it into this so they could
keep it secret that they were in possession of these
UFOs and that they back engineering them, and that they
(35:01):
were trying to you know, give patents, unique patents to
the companies who would then employ them when they retired,
you know, from being general officers. There are people inside
the intelligence community that get hired for five hundred thousand
dollars a year as consultants to these major aerospace corporates.
Those are all the dog bites man, you know, kind
(35:23):
of stories that go on. So the second, the second element,
you know, over and above the corporations themselves trying to
make money on it and keep it secret, is that
people inside the government that we're working with them and
committing crimes to keep it concealed, are afraid of getting prosecuted,
and so they're demanding as a part and parcel of
this whole disclosure process, that there also be an immunity
(35:46):
program set up for them all the way onto a
peace and reconciliation type of commission like happened in South
Africa when apartheid was deconstructed. So that's going on, and
so they have been a third and they and they
consider a revelation of the reality of this whole whole
(36:07):
program that's going on to threaten what they call catastrophic disclosure.
And it's not a matter of the substance of what
the UFOs are all about. It's a matter of the
crimes that they've committed in the past, a very mundane
problem that they've got. But then there's a third category,
which is the one you raised, Well, could there be
something about the UFO phenomenon that they think that you
(36:30):
can't tell people about it because you know, they'll all
freak out or jump out of a first story window
or something. You know, if they hear about it. You
have to be careful when people who are asserting that
are keeping secrets which they're afraid are going to result
in their prosecution. You know, you have to question the
credibility of the kind of make weight arguments that they
(36:51):
come up with, you know, and you start they what
they want you to do is be creative as possible
and trying to think of some extraordinarily outlandish thing that
would be so frightening to everybody that you know that
you'll go along with them, continuing to keep a secret.
You know that that isn't likely here. Now that's not
to say that there are some very extremely interesting and
(37:14):
disquieting facts that have to do with the revelation here.
But on the other hand, if you understand that our
whole universe is thirteen point seven billion years old, our
stun our star is only four point five billion years old,
our planet's only three point seven billion years old. So
there are other galaxies in planets and star systems that
(37:39):
are six or seven billion years older than we are.
And so they could they could have a civilization that
is six or seven billion years in advance of us,
not only technologically, but philosophically, you know, spiritually, theologically, you know,
and very very importantly, very importantly, you know, they may
have been able to probe into some of the most
(38:00):
profound scientific secrets that we still haven't been able to
figure out. We still don't know exactly how the universe began.
We don't know exactly what the end product of the
universe is going to be. Is it unfolding to the
point where all matter in the universe will ultimately disintegrate
into its constituent parts, you know, pursue it to the
(38:20):
rate of atomic breakdown of every element, you know, and
the whole universe is going to disappear ultimately, you know.
And what about the relationship of consciousness. Did consciousness precede
the material manifestation of our universe? Or is human consciousness
an epiphenomenon of the interaction between mass and energy in
some way? You know that these are profound, the fundamental
(38:45):
questions that afflict us as a human species. And what if,
in fact, they've all figured out the answer to those things,
and they come to us and they say, here's the
definitive answers to how the universe began, here's the definitive
answers to how it's functioning, and whether it'll oscillate back
and forth and do us from a state of absolute
energy to absolute mass and it will go on perpetually
(39:08):
going to dissolve into nothingness?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And if they come in with definitive answer to these profound,
fundamental questions. The question is then, what happens about our
free will? Do we get to disagree with that? Do
we get to say, oh, you know, we're still we
still haven't quite figured all these things out, you know,
And we've got a whole spectrum of world views, We've
got an entire octave of human world views that have
(39:31):
all been built up over different suppositions about the answer
to those questions. And so you know, what happens to
our free will? What happens to our right of being wrong?
You know? I mean, are we would we be allowed
to still be operating on some kind of Neanderthal theory
of the in that regard?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yes, Hey, Danny, thanks for sharing all this with us.
I feel you've revealed how much more complex disclosure is.
It's not as simple as people think it is. Just
say that this is real. It's not like that. It's
way more complex issue. Well, Danny, thank you again. We
will see you at contact in the desert here shortly,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Absolutely, we'll all be there, you know, everybody, come, everybody,
come to the come to the contact in the desert.
Everybody else is going to be there.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yep, that's true. It's a great place. It's a lot
of fun, all right, everybody. Thank you Danny and when
you guys can find me at Twitter and Instagram, at
c t D Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking
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