June 6, 2025 • 41 mins
Captain Ron sits down with filmmaker and UFO researcher Bryce Zabel to reveal a series of stunning recent developments in the UFO community.
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
going to be speaking with Bryce Zable. Rice is an
award winning on air journalist for PBSCNN, NBC and he
is also a writer and producer of many TV shows,
including the series Dark Skies. He is also the author
of eleven books and has written and produced shows for
nearly all the major networks, all the studios, and collaborated
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with talents such as Steven Spielberg, David Kelly, and stan
Lee on various projects, including various TV series, video games,
comic books, and web content. Rice is also the co
host of the popular Need to Know podcast, Hey, Bryce,
welcome to Beyond Contact.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm great and I'm glad to be here, Ron, although
I have to say, hearing you describe that makes me
awfully tired. That sounds like either that or I've lived
too long one or the other, because you know, I mean,
I have had an opportunity, which I'm very grateful for
to have spoken about this topic, the UFO UAP reality
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issue with so many different people over such a protracted
length of time, and a lot of the people are
the ones that you don't you know, you don't talk
to very often. You mentioned stan Lee for example, He
never when he was around, was certainly not talking about UFOs.
He would talk about aliens, right and by the way,
he had a very interesting take on that. He said.
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The way he wrote aliens is if they look like
they're good, they're bad. If they look like they're bad,
they're good. And I thought, you know, I've read Marvel
comics all my life, and that's exactly what he did.
I said, what do you think about UFOs? And he said, no, no,
I'm a little skeptical. I don't really know. But he
did say that one of the guys that worked in
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his Marvel Bullpen I think it was Saul Brodsky, who
was a close friend, had seen a UFO close and
personal visit to Las Vegas, and you know, it was
a classic close encounters thing where the UFO was seen
in the rearview mirror and then came around and was
in front of the car. And I said, well, Stan,
what do you make of that? And he said, I
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really don't know what to make of it, because Salt
of the Earth guy would never lie about such a thing,
so I have to have an open mind. But it's
hundreds of those kinds of conversation that really make me
feel grateful and fortunate.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, it's the culmination of all of these testimonies that
we've heard over the years. Let me ask you this,
you know, lately, doesn't it seem you know, you and
Ross do a show every month and all this information
comes through. Am I wrong? Or is it the last
couple of months, we've just been inundated with all this stuff.
We've got whistleblowers coming out, deathbed confessions, congressional briefings.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Well, it's an ebb and flow. You're right. I mean,
if you take the historical perspective, there have been times
before that seemed a little busy and then slowed down
and went into decades long troughs. Right now, it seems
like there is a whole lot going on. And I
do know that Ross and I tend to record on
a monthly basis now and would you would say, well,
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you know, maybe maybe you should do it more often.
We probably should. But when we do it every month,
we are jam packed with stuff to talk about it,
and you just went through a few of them. Not
a day goes by. It seems like where there's not
something else. And I think the biggest challenge for anyone
who tries to be on top of this topic is
to know enough about those various things you just mentioned,
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three or four of them in a row, to know
enough about what the actual facts are of what's going on,
and then to check them out enough that you can
have a valid opinion about it. It's very challenging work,
and you know, we do get a lot of comments
on our need to know and a lot of the
people are like, well, if you guys know so much,
why don't you just tell us everything you know? And
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let's doesn't work that way, you know, and I wish
it did, and I wish that we could just do
that for everybody. But Ross has made any active investigations
going on, and he does have sources. And the reason
people talk to Ross Kultalk, for example, is because the
guy protects his sources, which is sort of how the
game is played. It's not up to Ross to go
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find a piece of you know, of an alien aircraft
and then show it around. Other people have that they
should be coming forward. Rush is reporting on it as
am I. We like to think of ourselves as commentators
and analysts, and occasionally, as Ross has done when he's broken,
like stories like Jake Barber or David Grush, he's acting
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very much as Woodward and Bernstein did.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Uncover these stories. It's incredible. Let's talk about a couple
of them. We have this guy, Harold Malgren, come out.
Now here's a guy. Look at this resume almost as
impressive as yours. He went to Yale, he went to Oxford.
He was an advisor to four presidents. He had a
Q security clearance. He made some incredible claims. He said
that he saw that nuclear test where they launched a
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missile and it had a tag along craft that was
kind of like around it, you know what. It immediately
reminded me. Remember that doctor Robert Jacobs, remember his claims.
It seems like it was almost the same sort of account,
didn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well, it did, although Malmgrum really sort of first of all,
let's state the fact he's passed away in February, I believe,
and in the time before passing away, he not only
put out a certain amount of posts on x that
were quite shocking, and then he did that what I
believe will become a famous interview with Jesse Michaels where
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he shortly before he passed on, he told all the
things you're talking about, And yeah, I guess it frustrates
some people to go, well, if he knows so much,
he should prove it, well, you know what. That's harder
said than done. I personally, though, found the Maulgrum thing.
Try to say his name three times very fair. He's
very difficult, but I actually listen to him with rapt
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attention because many of the things he's talking about we're
in that Dark Sky's TV series, to the Kennedy UFO connection,
Majestic twelve being a real thing, Roswell being without question,
A lot of the things that he was talking about
really go back to that period where JFK has come
into office. He's a young guy, he's trusted, he's promoted quickly,
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he's given classification, the Cuban missile crisis hits, he's trusted,
he's brought into the rooms of power, and if he
was not a credible witness, then you'd kind of wonder
why JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford all trusted him. I mean,
those are four presidents, two on one side of the aisle,
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two on the other. They all trusted him. So, to
be honest with you, I trust him. I think that
his testimony, as time goes on, will become something that
is in the revised history books. And believe me, little horse,
that I ride these history books. Someday run and someday
soon somebody's going to have to rewrite them all because
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there's this hidden history that is sort of flowing throughout
the actual history as we think we know it.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Okay, well you've touched exactly on what drives me crazy. See,
most of the people seem to just dismiss a report
from a guy like this. Let me prove it. He's
not going to have a piece of the spacecraft or
an arm of an alien. But I think his first
hand testimony is a type of proof. Right, This is
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my frustration. I get it when you see some crazy
guy screaming on the street the aliens are here, Oh
you know, Okay, fine, but this guy is beyond reproach.
Look at that resume. He's an incredibly high ranking guy.
He's been trusted, he's been in all these governments. And
if he's saying that this is true, why don't more
people take this serious? You worked on network team. Why
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is this not the lead story on every channel at night?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, it's a great question, and I wish I
had a great answer. I do know that in my
I've sort of had serial careers. My first career was
in broadcast television. I was a CNN correspondent. I was
a PBS investigative reporter. I worked in local markets and
I would often pitch UFOs I knew something about it,
not as much as I do now, but I thought
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this is a good story. We should, you know, go
out and look into it. I never could find any takers.
This was a long time ago. Now, of course there
are people that will cover it, but quite often they
still cover it in the what I call the model
of some say yes, some say no, we say maybe
kind of journalism. And really there are more facts out there.
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But just go back to Harold Molmgram for just one second.
He died shortly after that interview. And I know that
in the interview he did say that he was pretty
healthy and he thought he'd be around a while. But
it still is a deathbed because he died right after it,
all right, So whether he thought he was healthy or
didn't think he was healthy, he knew that there were
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a lot fewer days ahead of him than behind him,
by a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And here's a guy who confided in his daughter and said,
I've seen footage of living extraterrestrial beings from the Roswell incident,
and he believed that some other UFO crashes involved biologics.
So that's quite a big, big, big piece of testimony
right there. We need to take a quick break, Brice.
When we come back, we're going to talk to you
more and get your thoughts on another recent whistleblower, a
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gentleman from NASA. As a matter of fact, you're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contacts,
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Captain Ron. Here we're talking with Bryce's Abel. Hey. Bryce.
Another guy came forward recently. It's doctor Gregory Rogers, who
was a former NASA Chief flight surgeon and Air Force
major who claims to have seen footage of a twenty
foot wide flying saucer with a US Air Force logo
in a military hangar in nineteen ninety two. What are
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your thoughts about this case?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I wish I knew more as you point it out,
and we talked about it at the beginning. Sometimes this
stuff comes at you so fast. It's like literally trying
to trying to take a drink from a fire hose.
It's just it's too much. I'm aware of the case,
I'm aware of who he is. I don't think I'm
aware enough to actually say you gotta believe this guy
or not, but it's profoundly interesting. If there is craft
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inside locations that have the US insignia on it, what
does that say. Well, first, it says there are alien
reproduction vehicles or ARVs. It would definitely say that. Who
would also say that we've probably we've been successful somewhat,
if maybe not more so on the reverse engineering of
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some of these downcraft that we are alleged to have
gotten our hands on. So he's not the only person
from NASA. NASA is interesting as a case because a
lot of people call it NASA never a straight answer.
That used to be the joke about NASA, and officially
it kind of has been. But unofficially there have been
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NASA workers who have retired or whatever who have spoken
out more on it, and there have been NASA people
who I think have told their story, but not an
official capacity.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Okay. Another interesting thing that just recently happened is how
put Off another resume for the Ages. My god, he
stated that the US has more than ten recovered craft
of non human origin. That's a really serious, important guy
publicly making this claim. You know, that's just the way
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it is. Matter of fact.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It's very interesting. Help put Off and some others like him,
for many years help. Put Off has chosen his words
very very carefully right that he would go up to
the water and put a toe in it, but he
wouldn't dive in. Now, when he says something like that,
that's my definition of jumping in the lake. I mean,
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there's nothing walk backable about what he just said. We've
either got them or we don't. And a man of
his credibility and end credits saying it carries a lot
of weight, and I it's cross referenced. I guess here's
what I would say what hal put Off said. If
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it was by himself saying it, it would still be
a great story, and you and I could still kick
it around and say, well, that's pretty interesting. On the
other hand, he's not the only guy saying it. Now,
maybe you know, there's different people saying different pieces of it,
but from David Grush to Loue Elizondo to you know others,
many multiple others, Jakes Barber and others. It's true that
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you can take any one of them and try to
take them down. You can do the skeptical thing. But
when they all seem to be talking about things like that,
and we're talking about Carl Nell and we're talking about,
you know, Gary Nolan and others. There's just a lot
of people in this chorus of crash wreckage. And remember
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even leslie Kin and Ralph Blumenthal in their follow up
to the December twenty seventeen article in the New York Times,
we're talking about crash wreckage. It's so interesting to me, though,
because here's the thing. When I was a kid growing up,
I was willing to believe there might be flying saucers
out there, right. I mean, but it was kind of
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an academic question. But if anybody said there is anybody
being abducted, I mean, get out of here. And if
you were going to say that we actually had crash wreckage,
forget about it. Those seem to be over the red
line of possibility. And these days that's not true at all.
And so I think it means that we need to
look back in history at the people who were talking
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about crash wreckage, going back in the day, and re
examine some of their statements, because it turns out there's
truth to it.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
For like all this comes out, you can imagine how
many cases we're going to go back and re examine,
and all these people that were deemed crazy or dismissed
or whatever. And again, what I struggle with personally, genuinely
in this world is the we all agree how put
off is beyond reproach. This guy's resume is incredible. I
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always point to John Mack or Ave Lobe. These guys
get to the top of their class at Harvard, they
get to be, you know, a professor at this esteem school,
and they're the greatest, and then they talk about this issue,
and well, they don't know what they're talking about. Why
do we dismiss that? Why why do we not You know,
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there's a reason people have these resumes and this respect.
They've earned that respect. So then when they say something,
why don't we take it?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I really don't understand. It's a great question. We should
pay more attention, but every specifically, like John Mack, for example.
I just read Ralph Blumenthal's book about John Knack, The Believer,
and you do realize that John Mack lived in a
glasshouse of a kind, right, I mean he was believing
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a lot of other paranormal things and talking about things
in a way that caused people concern about him. So
by himself maybe not particularly the perfect guy, and yet
he's found the same kind of he tried to put
some academic rigor into what, say, David Jacobs was doing,
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and what my gosh, yeah, but Hopkins exactly. These guys
didn't have the same academic well, I guess Jacobs did have.
He had that academic grigor as well. And so you
start to have to look at it and go, okay, well,
let's not pick the pieces apart, but take as a
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whole what these people all seem to be saying. They
come down in different places on this subduction thing. Some
of them say it's a physical reality. Some of them say,
I don't know if it's a physical reality, but it's
a mental reality to all these people. Why is that?
You know, what is really going on here? And the
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heart of the question you just raised those why when
somebody with good credentials comes out and says something, do
we have to act like, oh, well, now you've crossed
the red line. Now we can't believe anything you say.
And it's been that way going back almost eight decades.
Let's remember that denial and ridicule has been in essence
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the government's policy from nearly the jump. Even in Roswell,
it was first they admitted that it was real, and
then that within hours they said, no, it's a weather balloon.
But the I here's what I would say. These twin
pillars of secrecy are denial and ridicule. All right, fine,
I get it. One say it didn't happen, nothing to
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see here, And the other is, and if you saw it,
what were you drinking? Right? What were you smoking? What
you know?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What about all that?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
And here's the thing, ron it worked right. So I
even though I believe that the people who have tried
to sort of keep a lid on this whole thing
have spent a lot of money trying to do it,
the truth of the matter, in my opinion right now,
is that the majority of the denial and ridic the
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majority of the ridicule, comes from us. We ridicule our
own people, We ridicule other civilians, We ridicule other researchers
for doing it because it worked, and why would it work?
It works for one reason. You know a lot about this.
I know a lot about this, Your listeners know a
lot about this. And yet don't you Sometimes, when you're
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falling asleep at night, say to yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
This just can't all be true. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
You still think that no matter how much you know,
because there's something in our humanity that makes us go
I don't know, I just it feels too hard to accept.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, it's hard to believe, but there's something. I don't
know what it is, but there's something. We need to
take a break again, Bryce, we're going to come back,
and when we come back, we're going to talk to
you about the whistleblower that you mentioned, Jake Barber. Let's
find out more about that case. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact. Captain Ron here
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speaking with Bryce Abel. Bryce. The other big witness to
come forward was Jake Barber. You know, he stated that
he was contracted to retrieve various craft, including both conventional
military technology and objects of an exotic nature which they
think are non human. What do you think about that
whole case?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Well, if there are indeed crashes that have been retrieved,
then probably there have been people like Jake Barber who
retrieved them. So on just that level alone, you'd have
to say, well, you have to listen to the guy carefully. Now,
I had a first person encounter with David Grush when
Ross Coltart broke that story, and I was lucky enough
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to be there before even told it to News Nation
or to the Congress, and I heard it and I
was able to look in the guy's eyes and what
he said and form my own opinions. I didn't have
that situation with Jake Barber. I watched it like most
people when when the story broke, and it was less
airtight to me watching it. There was just something about it,
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the video of the of the egg craft not being
the one that they were actually talking about. There's just
a few things. And I know Ross vouches one hundred
percent for Jake Barber, and so I trust Ross deeply,
and so if he believes that, I believe it. But
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I can see why there is a little more pushback
on it now. On the other hand, you got Jake
Barber and his crowd doing this skywatcher thing where they're
out in the desert at the range they call it,
and they're saying they're able to call these craft or
these orbs or whatever, and they can call them with
one hundred percent success in having them show up. Okay,
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that's either true or it's false. If it's false, it'll
fall away, and you know, this will just be another
thing that you and I talked about five years from now,
and we'll go do you remember what was his name? Jake,
and and that'll be that. But if it's true, then
I would say, not only will it help prove the case,
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but it'll raise a lot of disturbing questions. What anomalous
non human intelligence is hanging around waiting for humans to
call them.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It's really a leap. You know, you said a very
interesting thing earlier, when you were younger. You said that
you believe in the UFO thing. But then it became
abduction was a little bit of a bridge too far,
and then the next level was a red line for you,
like that, that's past possibility. While I was watching this
live the very first time it aired, I was on board,
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this is cool, this is interesting. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And then they got to the psionics section and they said, well,
there are individuals here who are talking to the craft
and piloting them, right, that is another level of reach.
That made me kind of go, okay, well, this is
my red line. That's that is really hard for me
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to accept. Number One, I've never heard that before. Never
I've heard of CE five and people claiming they're able to,
you know, call them in if you will. That's that's
sort of been in the subculture for years. Saying that
we're driving them is just another whole level, and I
think probably lost a lot of the mainstream audience who
went that's just a bridge too far from me.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Well, I think there's a couple of things to unpack
in that. First. I think, you know, all due credit
to my pal Ross, the actual show around Jake Parber
was less successful than the show around David Grush because
it was too much to say, Okay, we've just barely
touched on the retrieval stuff, but now we're going into psionics.
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That's too much. And I think that that bothered people,
and I think that that's so true. On the other hand,
here's the thing. You have to keep an open mind
about a lot of things, because either there are non
human intelligences that exist and there are anomaloust craft that exist,
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or there aren't. Okay, if they do exist, it's very
clear we don't know everything about them, or at least
you and I don't, and our friends and family who
talk to us about it and other researchers. If there
are people that know everything about this, I don't know
who they are, and they haven't talked to me yet.
I hope they will someday. And so as a consequence,
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we're sort of left in that gray area where you know,
the frustration that you and I both feel is legitimate,
and so is the people that listen to us, and
people you know, I could see some people listening and saying,
I wish the's able would just come up and just,
you know, show me the evidence or show me this,
or show me the money or whatever it is, and
believe me, we're all trying, but it's let me. I
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just put it this way. If you're a pilot and
you take a picture of an anomalous craft a military pilot,
you don't get to keep it right, so somebody else
is taking it. So don't yell at me because I
don't have that photo. I didn't take it, I didn't
take it away, I didn't classify it. Other people did that.
So I do have confidence that when the gates start
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to be breached here on the secrecy, and I'd say
they're already starting clearly based on the content of what
we're trying but when they're really kicked down, when the
gate is broken down and we're all pouring in, at
that point, a lot of things are going to happen.
The media will finally wake up and have entire teams
doing nothing but trying to resolve this, and you'll see
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politicians trying to not just a few, but the majority,
trying to understand what's going on. And ironically, you would
think that an event such as actually understanding that we're
not alone would lead us all to not exactly maybe
a Kumbaya moment, but at least a moment where all
these dissensions we have would make us say, well, don't
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we really have more in common with each other than
necessarily somebody who's non human, and shouldn't we shouldn't we
do more about that? And yet I would still say
to you, Ron, when this happens, there's going to the
political parties will take different positions on it, they'll be
still fighting about it. And yet, and yet, at the
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bottom of this deep mystery are some facts. And you know,
it's interesting to hear you say the idea that there
that we might pilot some of these or that or
any of that. Yeah, a lot of this is shocking.
And I think what we are witnessing is that over
eight decades there's been a lot of disinformation. That is
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one thing we learned how to do World War Two,
which is disinformation if you want to, if you flood
the field with disinformation, it worked for D Day. And
it was only two years later in Roswell where they said, well,
well let's try the weather balloon thing. We've been getting
a lot of that over the years. So, for example,
were the Majestic twelve documents real or were they disinformation
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or were they half information? You know, we don't know yet,
and someday we will someday, and it won't be me.
I'll be gone, but there'll be historians who are plowing
through these tapes and these times and saying, why didn't
people back in twenty twenty five act a little more
vigorously on this?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I feel that waiting for it. Wait, I feel that
way now, hey, brace isn't it true though, that Jake
has said that by the end of this year, yes,
it will reveal whether or not this thing works. And
they said their experiments on this dog whistles like one
hundred percent of the time. So if you have some
that's now. That's about as bold a claim as I've
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ever heard in this community. There's nothing's one hundred percent nope.
So I feel like somebody's saying something so bold and
it's such an outrageous, outlandish claim. Boy, if that's real,
then that's great. By the end of the year, he
could come out and prove it and there you go.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Here here, if indeed Barber and Skywatcher have that evidence
in those facts, I can't wait for him to come out.
I will say I was shocked as you were to
hear him say it in those terms, because if I've
learned anything in the UFO field, you may sit and say,
you know, I really feel like this can't go on
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much longer. You know, I've said that myself, and I'm wrong.
It can go on longer. I would putting a clock
on himself like that. Either he's got the goods or
he's a bit crazy. Those are the two options. You
can't there's not a lot of in between area there.
So I say, here, we sit as we record this.
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It's May of twenty five. He's got about what seven
months to pull it off, and if he doesn't, he
will receive some scorn that he will deserve because he
said it out loud. But then again, if he comes,
I mean as it is, Ron, As you know, they've said, oh,
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we've identified nine different kinds of craft. You know, bring
it on, bring me those clear photos.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Right, you know why somebody hand you right before you
walk into a briefing. Never mind, that was bad. That
was really hurt all of us. I felt. I was
very disappointed by it.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
You're talking just so everyone knows. You're telling about Loue
Elizondo as he was testifying a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
If you worked in this secret program for twenty years,
why would you not have a super perfect vetted picture
that you've been holding on to for ten years and
give that one to Congress. We need to take our
last break here, Bryce, we'll come back. Let's pick a
up to talk some more about this briefing that just
took place in May, and I go over your thoughts
on that. We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Here.
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Captain Ron here speaking with Bryce abel So on me
first we had this congressional briefing on UAPs that was
hosted by the UAP Disclosure Fund in collaboration with the
House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, and there were some
more very serious people who came forward with more serious claims,
including doctor Avi Lobe. That was great to see him
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up there talking about that, and he mentioned, you know,
that we recovered unusual metallic fragments from the ocean floor
that he thinks is a step towards understanding the nature
of UAP. What'd you think of doctor Loebe.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I have complex feelings about doctor Lobe. I believe that
he believes in his work, and I wish that he
had some of that evidence to show us directly. I
don't find him yet the most compelling witness because it's
almost like SETI for me, the Surchra extra terrestrial intelligence.
Am I in favor of it? Sure, I'd like to
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get some, you know, messages from space that we could
work on decoding. On the other hand, it seems weird
to be looking only in the SETI. You know, Carl
Sagan made a big mistake putting all his eggs in
the SETI basket because they were flying around, you know,
within our own site, and with Auvi, I just found
him not to be the number one witness we need.
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We need more of the witnesses like you're talking about.
If you're going to tell me that we have crash wreckage,
I'd like some dates. I'd like some specifics things that
we can be again to look into. That's why when
David Grush, I mean I heard this first from David Grush,
Like I said, before he testified work, he told me
about that nineteen thirty three crash in Italy, and I
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was like, okay, well I've sort of heard rumors about that,
but I don't remember any details. But here's this guy
that had the position he had, and he's looking me
straight in the face telling me that we've got him. Okay,
So I feel like the time has come. Auvi is everywhere,
but he should he should get that evidence and then
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go everywhere right now, because the fact that he's looking
for it is fascinating. But we've got these things in
our on our radars, and we've got him, you know,
in front of our own eyes, and there's ample evidence
we should be getting. What he's doing is the exotic evidence.
I wish him the best. I totally do. He's a
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brilliant guy. But I want to let's move on to
this crash wreckage, because that, you know, that trumps everything.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How about Admiral Tim Gladett. This guy was obviously another
highly decorated guy who was saw the Navy exercise where
pilots just missed these near mid air collisions. He talked
about that firsthand and how they got the video in
the email and then it was all erased the next day,
and he said, this was stuff unlike anything in the
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military's arsenal as far as he knew.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Galladet is an impressive witness, and he's an impressive witness
in another part of the phenomenon the fact that it
looks like they're not just flying around in our skies,
but they're flying around under our oceans, right, And some
of them are very large and very fast, faster than
you know, we have subs maybe that go forty five
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miles an hour or something. Underwater. It's classified what they
actually do. I'm sure they might do faster, but some
of the things we're seeing are going much much faster.
So what are they? And I like having a man
of his expertise and credentials to talk about that aspect
of it, and it is an important aspect. Richard Dolan,
as you know, has written his first book about these
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USOS under Unidentified Submerged Objects. And what's interesting is Dolan
is one of the greatest researchers ever. I wrote a
book with m ad after Disclosures, the great, great experience
for me, and I love the sort of the back
and forth of all that he started looking into these
undersea objects and he was planning to write a book
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and now he's writing three books. That's how much information
the guy came across. So you know, when we talked
about that line, the red line that we had in
the sixties have crumbled. It sure looks like somebody's been abducted,
or at least thinks they've been abducted, and a lot
of them, and that's real. It sure looks like some
credible people are saying that there's crash wreckage out there.
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And it looks like the thing that we never really
talked about is that they might be in our oceans
is starting to come true. And that's very disturbing. They're
in our oceans? Who are they are? They have? They
been here for a long time and I don't. All
I have is questions. I lay awake at night and
I think about these questions. One of the things I
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think about is, Okay, well who are they? Were they
natural race that's down there? Or for example, if you
came from a water based planet and you were an extraterrestrial,
right and you came to Earth, you wouldn't camp in
the desert. You'd camp in the oceans, because that's what
you're the planet.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Pine element just fight. What a perfect spot to hide.
Because they seem to have trans medium abilities. Yes, they
did various videos that go through the air, through the water,
back out and not losing a beat. So that's something
that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
By the way you using that phrase trans medium abilities,
I think is something else that has been become very
big for all of us, which is, again you go
back to the fifties, sixties, seventies, it was like looking
for things in the sky. But now we're saying, well, yeah,
look for things in space because NASA's come across a
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few look for things in the sky, because there's millions
and millions of cases about that, but increasingly look in
the water too, because the same and this is the
part that blows minds. The same craft that's in space
is operating in the air and now operating under the water.
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Now?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I know that we have great technology, we do our
militaries are ahead of us, right, but who's doing that?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I don't think it's US. I don't think the Chinese
are doing it. I don't think the Russians are doing it.
I think if some of the craft that's been described
were available, do you really think Russia would be fighting
a protracted struggle in Ukraine if they had access to
some of that technology. So I feel like we are
not only closer to some form of disclosure, but the
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actual disclosure of what remains the biggest question. It happems
to be simpler, you know the people. Yeah, it was
so much simpler than and now it's becoming so much
more complex and complicated that even if there was disclosure
that yeah, we have craft, it may come. It may
come with it the idea that we don't know how
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to turn them on. We've taken a few guesses, but
we're still no good at it. We don't know what
they are.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
What about doctor Eric Davis, He also spoke there, and
he've said a lot of pretty profound things, and he's
another respected guy. You know. He says that we operate
on physics that we don't currently understand, you know. And
he also explicitly said the US government has recovered vehicles
of non human origin.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And that's ron to me. That is both profound and
vexing at the same time. Vexing because again, take a
look at the what doctor Davis has said over time,
and he wasn't that direct about this at the beginning,
and neither was put off. And a lot of these
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witnesses that are.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
I don't even want to interview those guys because I'm like,
they're not going to say anything anyway exactly that's serious.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So here we are where I don't think that the
government said to Eric Davis or how put off, you know,
we're going to take the breaks off now, do whatever
you want. That doesn't seem realistic to me. And yet
these people are being more forthright. Is that because? I mean,
why is that? It? Clearly? I think the one thing
you could probably clearly imply is that they don't feel
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as threatened by saying it anymore. Why they don't, I
don't know. I think actually, if I run into them next.
That would be the question I would ask. I'd say,
why are you changing the way you speak in public
about this issue?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
What are your thoughts on disclosure happening at all? Even
though we've had all these exciting things happen. Do you
you think it's possible and imminent? What do you think
I do?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Richard Dolan and I, like I said, we spent an
entire year talking about disclosure. It was the most fascinating
sort of back and forth, and at the end of
the day we came up with one statement that it
was true. Then it's true. Now disclosure is impossible and inevitable. Right,
It's impossible because who in the right mind who's keeping
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the secret wants to do it? Obviously there have been
reasons they haven't done it. But it's inevitable because we
are showing evidence of being able to leap into the
world of these others, whomever they are, and our technology
is no longer only in the hands of our militaries,
It's now in the hands of people. So yes, we
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are going to find out, and I believe sooner than later,
or at least the first buzz of it. Our friend,
our mutual friend, Steve Bassett always says disclosure is coming
next year and then it doesn't. But my joke with
Steve is well, one of the years you'll be right
right a lot of.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Time here, brother, we got to stop. Hey Bryce, where
can people find you? What's the best place?
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Oh, gush? You know, if they watch the Need to
Know podcast on YouTube, you can always leave comments there
and I read them all, so that would be one
place to express it. I'm on Twitter, not Twitter, I'm
on X and my handle is at Hollywood UFOs.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Thanks. Bryce, I really appreciate you taking the time with
me talking about this, and there's always stuff happening. Man.
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
going to be speaking with Bryce Zable. Rice is an
award winning on air journalist for PBSCNN, NBC and he
is also a writer and producer of many TV shows,
including the series Dark Skies. He is also the author
of eleven books and has written and produced shows for
nearly all the major networks, all the studios, and collaborated
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with talents such as Steven Spielberg, David Kelly, and stan
Lee on various projects, including various TV series, video games,
comic books, and web content. Rice is also the co
host of the popular Need to Know podcast, Hey, Bryce,
welcome to Beyond Contact.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm great and I'm glad to be here, Ron, although
I have to say, hearing you describe that makes me
awfully tired. That sounds like either that or I've lived
too long one or the other, because you know, I mean,
I have had an opportunity, which I'm very grateful for
to have spoken about this topic, the UFO UAP reality
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issue with so many different people over such a protracted
length of time, and a lot of the people are
the ones that you don't you know, you don't talk
to very often. You mentioned stan Lee for example, He
never when he was around, was certainly not talking about UFOs.
He would talk about aliens, right and by the way,
he had a very interesting take on that. He said.
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The way he wrote aliens is if they look like
they're good, they're bad. If they look like they're bad,
they're good. And I thought, you know, I've read Marvel
comics all my life, and that's exactly what he did.
I said, what do you think about UFOs? And he said, no, no,
I'm a little skeptical. I don't really know. But he
did say that one of the guys that worked in
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his Marvel Bullpen I think it was Saul Brodsky, who
was a close friend, had seen a UFO close and
personal visit to Las Vegas, and you know, it was
a classic close encounters thing where the UFO was seen
in the rearview mirror and then came around and was
in front of the car. And I said, well, Stan,
what do you make of that? And he said, I
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really don't know what to make of it, because Salt
of the Earth guy would never lie about such a thing,
so I have to have an open mind. But it's
hundreds of those kinds of conversation that really make me
feel grateful and fortunate.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, it's the culmination of all of these testimonies that
we've heard over the years. Let me ask you this,
you know, lately, doesn't it seem you know, you and
Ross do a show every month and all this information
comes through. Am I wrong? Or is it the last
couple of months, we've just been inundated with all this stuff.
We've got whistleblowers coming out, deathbed confessions, congressional briefings.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Well, it's an ebb and flow. You're right. I mean,
if you take the historical perspective, there have been times
before that seemed a little busy and then slowed down
and went into decades long troughs. Right now, it seems
like there is a whole lot going on. And I
do know that Ross and I tend to record on
a monthly basis now and would you would say, well,
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you know, maybe maybe you should do it more often.
We probably should. But when we do it every month,
we are jam packed with stuff to talk about it,
and you just went through a few of them. Not
a day goes by. It seems like where there's not
something else. And I think the biggest challenge for anyone
who tries to be on top of this topic is
to know enough about those various things you just mentioned,
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three or four of them in a row, to know
enough about what the actual facts are of what's going on,
and then to check them out enough that you can
have a valid opinion about it. It's very challenging work,
and you know, we do get a lot of comments
on our need to know and a lot of the
people are like, well, if you guys know so much,
why don't you just tell us everything you know? And
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let's doesn't work that way, you know, and I wish
it did, and I wish that we could just do
that for everybody. But Ross has made any active investigations
going on, and he does have sources. And the reason
people talk to Ross Kultalk, for example, is because the
guy protects his sources, which is sort of how the
game is played. It's not up to Ross to go
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find a piece of you know, of an alien aircraft
and then show it around. Other people have that they
should be coming forward. Rush is reporting on it as
am I. We like to think of ourselves as commentators
and analysts, and occasionally, as Ross has done when he's broken,
like stories like Jake Barber or David Grush, he's acting
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very much as Woodward and Bernstein did.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Uncover these stories. It's incredible. Let's talk about a couple
of them. We have this guy, Harold Malgren, come out.
Now here's a guy. Look at this resume almost as
impressive as yours. He went to Yale, he went to Oxford.
He was an advisor to four presidents. He had a
Q security clearance. He made some incredible claims. He said
that he saw that nuclear test where they launched a
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missile and it had a tag along craft that was
kind of like around it, you know what. It immediately
reminded me. Remember that doctor Robert Jacobs, remember his claims.
It seems like it was almost the same sort of account,
didn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well, it did, although Malmgrum really sort of first of all,
let's state the fact he's passed away in February, I believe,
and in the time before passing away, he not only
put out a certain amount of posts on x that
were quite shocking, and then he did that what I
believe will become a famous interview with Jesse Michaels where
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he shortly before he passed on, he told all the
things you're talking about, And yeah, I guess it frustrates
some people to go, well, if he knows so much,
he should prove it, well, you know what. That's harder
said than done. I personally, though, found the Maulgrum thing.
Try to say his name three times very fair. He's
very difficult, but I actually listen to him with rapt
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attention because many of the things he's talking about we're
in that Dark Sky's TV series, to the Kennedy UFO connection,
Majestic twelve being a real thing, Roswell being without question,
A lot of the things that he was talking about
really go back to that period where JFK has come
into office. He's a young guy, he's trusted, he's promoted quickly,
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he's given classification, the Cuban missile crisis hits, he's trusted,
he's brought into the rooms of power, and if he
was not a credible witness, then you'd kind of wonder
why JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford all trusted him. I mean,
those are four presidents, two on one side of the aisle,
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two on the other. They all trusted him. So, to
be honest with you, I trust him. I think that
his testimony, as time goes on, will become something that
is in the revised history books. And believe me, little horse,
that I ride these history books. Someday run and someday
soon somebody's going to have to rewrite them all because
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there's this hidden history that is sort of flowing throughout
the actual history as we think we know it.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Okay, well you've touched exactly on what drives me crazy. See,
most of the people seem to just dismiss a report
from a guy like this. Let me prove it. He's
not going to have a piece of the spacecraft or
an arm of an alien. But I think his first
hand testimony is a type of proof. Right, This is
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my frustration. I get it when you see some crazy
guy screaming on the street the aliens are here, Oh
you know, Okay, fine, but this guy is beyond reproach.
Look at that resume. He's an incredibly high ranking guy.
He's been trusted, he's been in all these governments. And
if he's saying that this is true, why don't more
people take this serious? You worked on network team. Why
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is this not the lead story on every channel at night?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, it's a great question, and I wish I
had a great answer. I do know that in my
I've sort of had serial careers. My first career was
in broadcast television. I was a CNN correspondent. I was
a PBS investigative reporter. I worked in local markets and
I would often pitch UFOs I knew something about it,
not as much as I do now, but I thought
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this is a good story. We should, you know, go
out and look into it. I never could find any takers.
This was a long time ago. Now, of course there
are people that will cover it, but quite often they
still cover it in the what I call the model
of some say yes, some say no, we say maybe
kind of journalism. And really there are more facts out there.
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But just go back to Harold Molmgram for just one second.
He died shortly after that interview. And I know that
in the interview he did say that he was pretty
healthy and he thought he'd be around a while. But
it still is a deathbed because he died right after it,
all right, So whether he thought he was healthy or
didn't think he was healthy, he knew that there were
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a lot fewer days ahead of him than behind him,
by a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And here's a guy who confided in his daughter and said,
I've seen footage of living extraterrestrial beings from the Roswell incident,
and he believed that some other UFO crashes involved biologics.
So that's quite a big, big, big piece of testimony
right there. We need to take a quick break, Brice.
When we come back, we're going to talk to you
more and get your thoughts on another recent whistleblower, a
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gentleman from NASA. As a matter of fact, you're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
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Captain Ron. Here we're talking with Bryce's Abel. Hey. Bryce.
Another guy came forward recently. It's doctor Gregory Rogers, who
was a former NASA Chief flight surgeon and Air Force
major who claims to have seen footage of a twenty
foot wide flying saucer with a US Air Force logo
in a military hangar in nineteen ninety two. What are
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your thoughts about this case?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I wish I knew more as you point it out,
and we talked about it at the beginning. Sometimes this
stuff comes at you so fast. It's like literally trying
to trying to take a drink from a fire hose.
It's just it's too much. I'm aware of the case,
I'm aware of who he is. I don't think I'm
aware enough to actually say you gotta believe this guy
or not, but it's profoundly interesting. If there is craft
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inside locations that have the US insignia on it, what
does that say. Well, first, it says there are alien
reproduction vehicles or ARVs. It would definitely say that. Who
would also say that we've probably we've been successful somewhat,
if maybe not more so on the reverse engineering of
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some of these downcraft that we are alleged to have
gotten our hands on. So he's not the only person
from NASA. NASA is interesting as a case because a
lot of people call it NASA never a straight answer.
That used to be the joke about NASA, and officially
it kind of has been. But unofficially there have been
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NASA workers who have retired or whatever who have spoken
out more on it, and there have been NASA people
who I think have told their story, but not an
official capacity.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Okay. Another interesting thing that just recently happened is how
put Off another resume for the Ages. My god, he
stated that the US has more than ten recovered craft
of non human origin. That's a really serious, important guy
publicly making this claim. You know, that's just the way
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it is. Matter of fact.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It's very interesting. Help put Off and some others like him,
for many years help. Put Off has chosen his words
very very carefully right that he would go up to
the water and put a toe in it, but he
wouldn't dive in. Now, when he says something like that,
that's my definition of jumping in the lake. I mean,
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there's nothing walk backable about what he just said. We've
either got them or we don't. And a man of
his credibility and end credits saying it carries a lot
of weight, and I it's cross referenced. I guess here's
what I would say what hal put Off said. If
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it was by himself saying it, it would still be
a great story, and you and I could still kick
it around and say, well, that's pretty interesting. On the
other hand, he's not the only guy saying it. Now,
maybe you know, there's different people saying different pieces of it,
but from David Grush to Loue Elizondo to you know others,
many multiple others, Jakes Barber and others. It's true that
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you can take any one of them and try to
take them down. You can do the skeptical thing. But
when they all seem to be talking about things like that,
and we're talking about Carl Nell and we're talking about,
you know, Gary Nolan and others. There's just a lot
of people in this chorus of crash wreckage. And remember
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even leslie Kin and Ralph Blumenthal in their follow up
to the December twenty seventeen article in the New York Times,
we're talking about crash wreckage. It's so interesting to me, though,
because here's the thing. When I was a kid growing up,
I was willing to believe there might be flying saucers
out there, right. I mean, but it was kind of
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an academic question. But if anybody said there is anybody
being abducted, I mean, get out of here. And if
you were going to say that we actually had crash wreckage,
forget about it. Those seem to be over the red
line of possibility. And these days that's not true at all.
And so I think it means that we need to
look back in history at the people who were talking
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about crash wreckage, going back in the day, and re
examine some of their statements, because it turns out there's
truth to it.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
For like all this comes out, you can imagine how
many cases we're going to go back and re examine,
and all these people that were deemed crazy or dismissed
or whatever. And again, what I struggle with personally, genuinely
in this world is the we all agree how put
off is beyond reproach. This guy's resume is incredible. I
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always point to John Mack or Ave Lobe. These guys
get to the top of their class at Harvard, they
get to be, you know, a professor at this esteem school,
and they're the greatest, and then they talk about this issue,
and well, they don't know what they're talking about. Why
do we dismiss that? Why why do we not You know,
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there's a reason people have these resumes and this respect.
They've earned that respect. So then when they say something,
why don't we take it?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I really don't understand. It's a great question. We should
pay more attention, but every specifically, like John Mack, for example.
I just read Ralph Blumenthal's book about John Knack, The Believer,
and you do realize that John Mack lived in a
glasshouse of a kind, right, I mean he was believing
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a lot of other paranormal things and talking about things
in a way that caused people concern about him. So
by himself maybe not particularly the perfect guy, and yet
he's found the same kind of he tried to put
some academic rigor into what, say, David Jacobs was doing,
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and what my gosh, yeah, but Hopkins exactly. These guys
didn't have the same academic well, I guess Jacobs did have.
He had that academic grigor as well. And so you
start to have to look at it and go, okay, well,
let's not pick the pieces apart, but take as a
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whole what these people all seem to be saying. They
come down in different places on this subduction thing. Some
of them say it's a physical reality. Some of them say,
I don't know if it's a physical reality, but it's
a mental reality to all these people. Why is that?
You know, what is really going on here? And the
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heart of the question you just raised those why when
somebody with good credentials comes out and says something, do
we have to act like, oh, well, now you've crossed
the red line. Now we can't believe anything you say.
And it's been that way going back almost eight decades.
Let's remember that denial and ridicule has been in essence
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the government's policy from nearly the jump. Even in Roswell,
it was first they admitted that it was real, and
then that within hours they said, no, it's a weather balloon.
But the I here's what I would say. These twin
pillars of secrecy are denial and ridicule. All right, fine,
I get it. One say it didn't happen, nothing to
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see here, And the other is, and if you saw it,
what were you drinking? Right? What were you smoking? What
you know?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What about all that?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
And here's the thing, ron it worked right. So I
even though I believe that the people who have tried
to sort of keep a lid on this whole thing
have spent a lot of money trying to do it,
the truth of the matter, in my opinion right now,
is that the majority of the denial and ridic the
(18:55):
majority of the ridicule, comes from us. We ridicule our
own people, We ridicule other civilians, We ridicule other researchers
for doing it because it worked, and why would it work?
It works for one reason. You know a lot about this.
I know a lot about this, Your listeners know a
lot about this. And yet don't you Sometimes, when you're
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falling asleep at night, say to yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
This just can't all be true. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
You still think that no matter how much you know,
because there's something in our humanity that makes us go
I don't know, I just it feels too hard to accept.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, it's hard to believe, but there's something. I don't
know what it is, but there's something. We need to
take a break again, Bryce, we're going to come back,
and when we come back, we're going to talk to
you about the whistleblower that you mentioned, Jake Barber. Let's
find out more about that case. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact. Captain Ron here
(20:13):
speaking with Bryce Abel. Bryce. The other big witness to
come forward was Jake Barber. You know, he stated that
he was contracted to retrieve various craft, including both conventional
military technology and objects of an exotic nature which they
think are non human. What do you think about that
whole case?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Well, if there are indeed crashes that have been retrieved,
then probably there have been people like Jake Barber who
retrieved them. So on just that level alone, you'd have
to say, well, you have to listen to the guy carefully. Now,
I had a first person encounter with David Grush when
Ross Coltart broke that story, and I was lucky enough
(20:53):
to be there before even told it to News Nation
or to the Congress, and I heard it and I
was able to look in the guy's eyes and what
he said and form my own opinions. I didn't have
that situation with Jake Barber. I watched it like most
people when when the story broke, and it was less
airtight to me watching it. There was just something about it,
(21:15):
the video of the of the egg craft not being
the one that they were actually talking about. There's just
a few things. And I know Ross vouches one hundred
percent for Jake Barber, and so I trust Ross deeply,
and so if he believes that, I believe it. But
(21:36):
I can see why there is a little more pushback
on it now. On the other hand, you got Jake
Barber and his crowd doing this skywatcher thing where they're
out in the desert at the range they call it,
and they're saying they're able to call these craft or
these orbs or whatever, and they can call them with
one hundred percent success in having them show up. Okay,
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that's either true or it's false. If it's false, it'll
fall away, and you know, this will just be another
thing that you and I talked about five years from now,
and we'll go do you remember what was his name? Jake,
and and that'll be that. But if it's true, then
I would say, not only will it help prove the case,
(22:20):
but it'll raise a lot of disturbing questions. What anomalous
non human intelligence is hanging around waiting for humans to
call them.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It's really a leap. You know, you said a very
interesting thing earlier, when you were younger. You said that
you believe in the UFO thing. But then it became
abduction was a little bit of a bridge too far,
and then the next level was a red line for you,
like that, that's past possibility. While I was watching this
live the very first time it aired, I was on board,
(22:53):
this is cool, this is interesting. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And then they got to the psionics section and they said, well,
there are individuals here who are talking to the craft
and piloting them, right, that is another level of reach.
That made me kind of go, okay, well, this is
my red line. That's that is really hard for me
(23:16):
to accept. Number One, I've never heard that before. Never
I've heard of CE five and people claiming they're able to,
you know, call them in if you will. That's that's
sort of been in the subculture for years. Saying that
we're driving them is just another whole level, and I
think probably lost a lot of the mainstream audience who
went that's just a bridge too far from me.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Well, I think there's a couple of things to unpack
in that. First. I think, you know, all due credit
to my pal Ross, the actual show around Jake Parber
was less successful than the show around David Grush because
it was too much to say, Okay, we've just barely
touched on the retrieval stuff, but now we're going into psionics.
(23:58):
That's too much. And I think that that bothered people,
and I think that that's so true. On the other hand,
here's the thing. You have to keep an open mind
about a lot of things, because either there are non
human intelligences that exist and there are anomaloust craft that exist,
(24:20):
or there aren't. Okay, if they do exist, it's very
clear we don't know everything about them, or at least
you and I don't, and our friends and family who
talk to us about it and other researchers. If there
are people that know everything about this, I don't know
who they are, and they haven't talked to me yet.
I hope they will someday. And so as a consequence,
(24:42):
we're sort of left in that gray area where you know,
the frustration that you and I both feel is legitimate,
and so is the people that listen to us, and
people you know, I could see some people listening and saying,
I wish the's able would just come up and just,
you know, show me the evidence or show me this,
or show me the money or whatever it is, and
believe me, we're all trying, but it's let me. I
(25:06):
just put it this way. If you're a pilot and
you take a picture of an anomalous craft a military pilot,
you don't get to keep it right, so somebody else
is taking it. So don't yell at me because I
don't have that photo. I didn't take it, I didn't
take it away, I didn't classify it. Other people did that.
So I do have confidence that when the gates start
(25:31):
to be breached here on the secrecy, and I'd say
they're already starting clearly based on the content of what
we're trying but when they're really kicked down, when the
gate is broken down and we're all pouring in, at
that point, a lot of things are going to happen.
The media will finally wake up and have entire teams
doing nothing but trying to resolve this, and you'll see
(25:54):
politicians trying to not just a few, but the majority,
trying to understand what's going on. And ironically, you would
think that an event such as actually understanding that we're
not alone would lead us all to not exactly maybe
a Kumbaya moment, but at least a moment where all
these dissensions we have would make us say, well, don't
(26:16):
we really have more in common with each other than
necessarily somebody who's non human, and shouldn't we shouldn't we
do more about that? And yet I would still say
to you, Ron, when this happens, there's going to the
political parties will take different positions on it, they'll be
still fighting about it. And yet, and yet, at the
(26:37):
bottom of this deep mystery are some facts. And you know,
it's interesting to hear you say the idea that there
that we might pilot some of these or that or
any of that. Yeah, a lot of this is shocking.
And I think what we are witnessing is that over
eight decades there's been a lot of disinformation. That is
(26:58):
one thing we learned how to do World War Two,
which is disinformation if you want to, if you flood
the field with disinformation, it worked for D Day. And
it was only two years later in Roswell where they said, well,
well let's try the weather balloon thing. We've been getting
a lot of that over the years. So, for example,
were the Majestic twelve documents real or were they disinformation
(27:22):
or were they half information? You know, we don't know yet,
and someday we will someday, and it won't be me.
I'll be gone, but there'll be historians who are plowing
through these tapes and these times and saying, why didn't
people back in twenty twenty five act a little more
vigorously on this?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I feel that waiting for it. Wait, I feel that
way now, hey, brace isn't it true though, that Jake
has said that by the end of this year, yes,
it will reveal whether or not this thing works. And
they said their experiments on this dog whistles like one
hundred percent of the time. So if you have some
that's now. That's about as bold a claim as I've
(28:03):
ever heard in this community. There's nothing's one hundred percent nope.
So I feel like somebody's saying something so bold and
it's such an outrageous, outlandish claim. Boy, if that's real,
then that's great. By the end of the year, he
could come out and prove it and there you go.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Here here, if indeed Barber and Skywatcher have that evidence
in those facts, I can't wait for him to come out.
I will say I was shocked as you were to
hear him say it in those terms, because if I've
learned anything in the UFO field, you may sit and say,
you know, I really feel like this can't go on
(28:42):
much longer. You know, I've said that myself, and I'm wrong.
It can go on longer. I would putting a clock
on himself like that. Either he's got the goods or
he's a bit crazy. Those are the two options. You
can't there's not a lot of in between area there.
So I say, here, we sit as we record this.
(29:03):
It's May of twenty five. He's got about what seven
months to pull it off, and if he doesn't, he
will receive some scorn that he will deserve because he
said it out loud. But then again, if he comes,
I mean as it is, Ron, As you know, they've said, oh,
(29:24):
we've identified nine different kinds of craft. You know, bring
it on, bring me those clear photos.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Right, you know why somebody hand you right before you
walk into a briefing. Never mind, that was bad. That
was really hurt all of us. I felt. I was
very disappointed by it.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
You're talking just so everyone knows. You're telling about Loue
Elizondo as he was testifying a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
If you worked in this secret program for twenty years,
why would you not have a super perfect vetted picture
that you've been holding on to for ten years and
give that one to Congress. We need to take our
last break here, Bryce, we'll come back. Let's pick a
up to talk some more about this briefing that just
took place in May, and I go over your thoughts
on that. We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Here.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond Contact.
(30:31):
Captain Ron here speaking with Bryce abel So on me
first we had this congressional briefing on UAPs that was
hosted by the UAP Disclosure Fund in collaboration with the
House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, and there were some
more very serious people who came forward with more serious claims,
including doctor Avi Lobe. That was great to see him
(30:52):
up there talking about that, and he mentioned, you know,
that we recovered unusual metallic fragments from the ocean floor
that he thinks is a step towards understanding the nature
of UAP. What'd you think of doctor Loebe.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I have complex feelings about doctor Lobe. I believe that
he believes in his work, and I wish that he
had some of that evidence to show us directly. I
don't find him yet the most compelling witness because it's
almost like SETI for me, the Surchra extra terrestrial intelligence.
Am I in favor of it? Sure, I'd like to
(31:25):
get some, you know, messages from space that we could
work on decoding. On the other hand, it seems weird
to be looking only in the SETI. You know, Carl
Sagan made a big mistake putting all his eggs in
the SETI basket because they were flying around, you know,
within our own site, and with Auvi, I just found
him not to be the number one witness we need.
(31:48):
We need more of the witnesses like you're talking about.
If you're going to tell me that we have crash wreckage,
I'd like some dates. I'd like some specifics things that
we can be again to look into. That's why when
David Grush, I mean I heard this first from David Grush,
Like I said, before he testified work, he told me
about that nineteen thirty three crash in Italy, and I
(32:10):
was like, okay, well I've sort of heard rumors about that,
but I don't remember any details. But here's this guy
that had the position he had, and he's looking me
straight in the face telling me that we've got him. Okay,
So I feel like the time has come. Auvi is everywhere,
but he should he should get that evidence and then
(32:31):
go everywhere right now, because the fact that he's looking
for it is fascinating. But we've got these things in
our on our radars, and we've got him, you know,
in front of our own eyes, and there's ample evidence
we should be getting. What he's doing is the exotic evidence.
I wish him the best. I totally do. He's a
(32:52):
brilliant guy. But I want to let's move on to
this crash wreckage, because that, you know, that trumps everything.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How about Admiral Tim Gladett. This guy was obviously another
highly decorated guy who was saw the Navy exercise where
pilots just missed these near mid air collisions. He talked
about that firsthand and how they got the video in
the email and then it was all erased the next day,
and he said, this was stuff unlike anything in the
(33:21):
military's arsenal as far as he knew.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Galladet is an impressive witness, and he's an impressive witness
in another part of the phenomenon the fact that it
looks like they're not just flying around in our skies,
but they're flying around under our oceans, right, And some
of them are very large and very fast, faster than
you know, we have subs maybe that go forty five
(33:45):
miles an hour or something. Underwater. It's classified what they
actually do. I'm sure they might do faster, but some
of the things we're seeing are going much much faster.
So what are they? And I like having a man
of his expertise and credentials to talk about that aspect
of it, and it is an important aspect. Richard Dolan,
as you know, has written his first book about these
(34:09):
USOS under Unidentified Submerged Objects. And what's interesting is Dolan
is one of the greatest researchers ever. I wrote a
book with m ad after Disclosures, the great, great experience
for me, and I love the sort of the back
and forth of all that he started looking into these
undersea objects and he was planning to write a book
(34:32):
and now he's writing three books. That's how much information
the guy came across. So you know, when we talked
about that line, the red line that we had in
the sixties have crumbled. It sure looks like somebody's been abducted,
or at least thinks they've been abducted, and a lot
of them, and that's real. It sure looks like some
credible people are saying that there's crash wreckage out there.
(34:54):
And it looks like the thing that we never really
talked about is that they might be in our oceans
is starting to come true. And that's very disturbing. They're
in our oceans? Who are they are? They have? They
been here for a long time and I don't. All
I have is questions. I lay awake at night and
I think about these questions. One of the things I
(35:15):
think about is, Okay, well who are they? Were they
natural race that's down there? Or for example, if you
came from a water based planet and you were an extraterrestrial,
right and you came to Earth, you wouldn't camp in
the desert. You'd camp in the oceans, because that's what
you're the planet.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Pine element just fight. What a perfect spot to hide.
Because they seem to have trans medium abilities. Yes, they
did various videos that go through the air, through the water,
back out and not losing a beat. So that's something
that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
By the way you using that phrase trans medium abilities,
I think is something else that has been become very
big for all of us, which is, again you go
back to the fifties, sixties, seventies, it was like looking
for things in the sky. But now we're saying, well, yeah,
look for things in space because NASA's come across a
(36:06):
few look for things in the sky, because there's millions
and millions of cases about that, but increasingly look in
the water too, because the same and this is the
part that blows minds. The same craft that's in space
is operating in the air and now operating under the water.
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Now?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I know that we have great technology, we do our
militaries are ahead of us, right, but who's doing that?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I don't think it's US. I don't think the Chinese
are doing it. I don't think the Russians are doing it.
I think if some of the craft that's been described
were available, do you really think Russia would be fighting
a protracted struggle in Ukraine if they had access to
some of that technology. So I feel like we are
not only closer to some form of disclosure, but the
(36:59):
actual disclosure of what remains the biggest question. It happems
to be simpler, you know the people. Yeah, it was
so much simpler than and now it's becoming so much
more complex and complicated that even if there was disclosure
that yeah, we have craft, it may come. It may
come with it the idea that we don't know how
(37:21):
to turn them on. We've taken a few guesses, but
we're still no good at it. We don't know what
they are.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
What about doctor Eric Davis, He also spoke there, and
he've said a lot of pretty profound things, and he's
another respected guy. You know. He says that we operate
on physics that we don't currently understand, you know. And
he also explicitly said the US government has recovered vehicles
of non human origin.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And that's ron to me. That is both profound and
vexing at the same time. Vexing because again, take a
look at the what doctor Davis has said over time,
and he wasn't that direct about this at the beginning,
and neither was put off. And a lot of these
(38:08):
witnesses that are.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
I don't even want to interview those guys because I'm like,
they're not going to say anything anyway exactly that's serious.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So here we are where I don't think that the
government said to Eric Davis or how put off, you know,
we're going to take the breaks off now, do whatever
you want. That doesn't seem realistic to me. And yet
these people are being more forthright. Is that because? I mean,
why is that? It? Clearly? I think the one thing
you could probably clearly imply is that they don't feel
(38:38):
as threatened by saying it anymore. Why they don't, I
don't know. I think actually, if I run into them next.
That would be the question I would ask. I'd say,
why are you changing the way you speak in public
about this issue?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
What are your thoughts on disclosure happening at all? Even
though we've had all these exciting things happen. Do you
you think it's possible and imminent? What do you think
I do?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Richard Dolan and I, like I said, we spent an
entire year talking about disclosure. It was the most fascinating
sort of back and forth, and at the end of
the day we came up with one statement that it
was true. Then it's true. Now disclosure is impossible and inevitable. Right,
It's impossible because who in the right mind who's keeping
(39:24):
the secret wants to do it? Obviously there have been
reasons they haven't done it. But it's inevitable because we
are showing evidence of being able to leap into the
world of these others, whomever they are, and our technology
is no longer only in the hands of our militaries,
It's now in the hands of people. So yes, we
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are going to find out, and I believe sooner than later,
or at least the first buzz of it. Our friend,
our mutual friend, Steve Bassett always says disclosure is coming
next year and then it doesn't. But my joke with
Steve is well, one of the years you'll be right
right a lot of.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Time here, brother, we got to stop. Hey Bryce, where
can people find you? What's the best place?
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Oh, gush? You know, if they watch the Need to
Know podcast on YouTube, you can always leave comments there
and I read them all, so that would be one
place to express it. I'm on Twitter, not Twitter, I'm
on X and my handle is at Hollywood UFOs.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Thanks. Bryce, I really appreciate you taking the time with
me talking about this, and there's always stuff happening. Man.
You guys will see you next week. You can find
me on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron.
Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay
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