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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss us the reasons we now
know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and
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so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You've
heard of signs from your loved ones in the afterlife.
My guest today has had a lot of them. Her
name is Karen McClain, and believe it or not, this
is her very first interview. She was nervous. I think
she did a great job. She's a loyal listener of
(01:26):
Shades of the Afterlife, has a heartbreaking story to tell,
but is the author of a brand new book called
Bright Days Do Come, a journey of loss, light and
Signs from Beyond. Here's Karen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hi. I'm from Utah and my story began thirty three
years ago. I was in a car accident with my
whole family. We were traveling and my little sister, she
was driving and she was sixteen at the time and
had a fresh license. My mom was in the passenger
seat and they had their seat belts on. In the
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back seats were me I was eighteen, my fourteen year
old sister, and the caboose, Brian, he was nine. As
we drove along the freeway, my sister, who was driving,
took a sick of Coca cola. She leaned over. The
car started to drift and we over corrected. We rolled
four times on the freeway and those of us in
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the back seats were thrown. We had an emergency room
doctor who's behind our car, and when he saw me
he thought she won't have her legs, but he saved
my legs and my life. Unfortunately, my younger sister, she
was injured, but she was okay. But my little brother
Brian was killed. It's been a long, rough journey, and
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you think those things happened to other people, not to me.
Ever since then, everyone in my family we won't go
anywhere without wearing our seat belts. My sister Kristen who
was thrown, She and I had to live in a
rehab for months after the accident. We had to be
in wheelchairs. I broke both of my femurs. She broke
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one femur and had a hairline fracture in her held
us on the opposite side. I avoided a close tied
injury because my face took the brunt of the hit.
I shattered my orbital floor, broke my knolles, broke part
of my jaw, and collapsed both lungs. We had pretty
severe injuries, but being in the rehab, I pondered everything
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that had happened. My aunt brought me a journal, and
I'm so glad that she did because I've always liked
to write and get my thoughts down on paper. I
wrote a poem as I thought about everything that had happened.
I called it emotional weather. It reads life is like
the weather. It changes from day to day like the rain.
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Many tears fall like the wind. Things flow in and
out of life like a storm. You don't know what
to respect, like the sun. Right days did come. Little
did I know at the time that last line of
my poem would become the title of my book thirty
three years later. My goodness, you were eighteen when you
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wrote that. Yeah, I was eighteen.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And were you told right away that your brother had passed?
You were in a state of shock, I'm sure, with
broken everything.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it was really hard to find out about his death.
When I first awoke after the accident, my eyes were
swollen and blackened, and so I could only see a
sliver of the world around me, and I was on
life support machines, and I don't even know what day
it was that I first open my eyes, but I
heard my dad's voice telling me that we had been
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in a bad car accident and that both of my
legs were now broken. I had just started my first
week of college, and I was just shocked that this
was my new reality. And interestingly, I I always thought
to myself, Oh, that would be the worst thing to
break both of your legs at the same time, I
had always thought that growing up, and then it happened
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to me. I was just shocked. And I've learned not
to focus on the things that I don't want anymore
and focus on the things I do want, because I
had focused on that so much. My memories of being
in the hospital are in and out because I had
multiple surgeries over several days, and the medications flowing through
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my veins effect your waking and sleeping moments. They all
got blurred together. But at some point my mom and
my aunt came into my room and the opening of
the door awoken me from the slumber. I heard my
aunt ask my mom does she know about Brian yet
under her breath. I went from half asleep to wide
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awake with a pounding heart in zero point one seconds,
and I was like, what happened to Brian? And that's
how I found out he had passed. They told me,
and I was crushed. At that time, his funeral had
already happened. That's been really hard to deal with. When
I got home from the rehab three months later, my
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brother's belongings were all in a box, and so I
never got the chance to go into his room to
lay on his bed, or hug his stuffed animals, or
to see the way he had left his room. I
came to find out that the rest of my family
members never had that chance, either, my sister that was
driving and my mom. They were in the hospital for
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three days. During that time, some relatives went and cleared
my brother's room out. They were trying to take that
burden off my mom's shoulder, but it really was detrimental
to us because we never got that closure. But it
was nice having my sister Kristen in the rehab with me,
so that brought a sense of home to the rehab.
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Remind us how old was he was nine nine old?
He was nine. He's the cutest boy. I had two sisters.
And then when Brian came along, he was the thing
that just livened up our family. He was the best.
He was so sweet. And luckily, since the accident, he
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has shown my family and I that he's still around,
he's still with us. He's given us so many incredible
signs and it's been so comforting, and that has been
so healing. I had never really lost a loved one.
My grandparents were all alive at the time, and I
figured that we would live after we died because I
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had a pre birth memory. Because of that, I figured
throughout my life that, well, if I remember something from
before I was born, I've got to exist after. I
had never about that carriage. Yeah, I don't know. I
was probably eleven years old and I had always had
a memory in my mind and I just never I
know what it was. Around the age of eleven, I
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came to my mom and said, Mom, I've always had
this memory and I don't know what it is. And
she said, tell me about it. What was it? And
I said, I was up high and I was looking
down and I saw a woman typing. She had on
this a distinctly colored dress. It wasn't quite lavender and
it wasn't quite pink. It was a mixture of the two.
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I remember it very clearly, and she had dark hair,
and it was a spiraled up on top. She was typing,
and the flooring around her was big white tile squares,
and my mom's jaw dropped. I had just described the
office she worked in as a secretary when she was
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pregnant with me. Because of that, I truly feel that
I chose my mom. So when she told me that,
I finally knew what that memory was, and then I
knew there's no way I'm not going to exist after
if I just did before. And so that had always
been a comfort to me throughout my.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Life, and I'm sure to your mom too, knowing that
there's something else. Did you grow up in a religious family?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I did. Yeah, I grew up LDS and I had
always followed a really straight line. After the accident, though,
I had a realization that oh my gosh, I almost died,
and I felt like I never truly lived because I
just did what I was told and I never really
had the opportunity to just choose for myself and live
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and create my own life. So after the accident, I
shed my religion like a snake sheds its skin. I
became spiritual. And then when I started getting signs for
my brother, that's when I knew for sure but he
still existed, and that's when my spirituality really grew.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I want to get into the signs for sure, but
I'm just imagining you and your family grieving not only
the death of your brother, but also all the pain
and suffering, plus your sister who was driving. I can't
imagine the guilt she probably felt. So maybe talk a
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little bit about that and then when did the signs
start appearing? And how okay?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
My sister Erica, Yeah, she had a really rough time
with guilt. We all told her the accidents happened, it's
not your fault, but it's hard when you're the driver,
and she held onto that and she went through a
really rebellious phase, but she came out the other side.
She's such a strong person. She's happily married now and
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doing really great. My dad wasn't with us. My parents
are divorced. He was at a football game where my
brother would normally be sitting next to him. The speakers
called out to him to go to the desk, and
he knew something was wrong, and the minute he went
up there, they told her what had happened, and he
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raced up to the hospital and was at my brother's side.
So my brother he was killed on impact. He landed
on his head when the accident happened. He went into
cardiac arrest and they revived him and their life lighted
him to the hospital, but Unfortunately, they found that there
was no neural activity in his brain. The very next day,
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my parents had to make the decision to have the
life support turned off, and that was just absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Of course, big hugs. I know it's thirty three years ago,
but it can feel and seem and the memories of
just like yesterday. But out of that grief, you went
on a journey and signs started appearing. So tell us
about that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah. One of the first experiences I had was I
was driving and I suddenly felt his presence next to me,
and it was undeniable. I couldn't deny that he was
next to me, and I felt so good to feel
him close again. It just felt so good, and I
talked out loud to him. I spoke out loud and said, Brian,
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I miss you, and I'm so grateful that I have
you as my brother, and thank you for coming to
see me. It just felt so good. And then it dissipated.
I knew he was around, that we hadn't received any
signs yet. Then I came home from school one day
and my mom, this is a few months after I
had gotten home and recovered, she came racing up to
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me saying I got a sign from Brian. I got
a sign from Brian. And I said, you did, Okay,
what happened? And she said, I was sitting at the
dining table and I was doodling on a piece of paper,
talking on the phone to my brother, which is my
uncle Laurn, and she said, out of nowhere, one drop
of water landed on my piece of paper. And I'm like, oh, okay,
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I didn't know that would be a sign from Brian.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We have to take a quick break and we'll be
right back. Karen has a lot signs to share on
this episode. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're here with listener Karen McClain, author of the
new book Bright Days Do Come. Her family was involved
in a terrible crash when she was eighteen years old,
and her nine year old brother Brian was killed. Before
the break, she said she felt his undeniable presence in
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the car with her, and now she'll share what might
be her mom's first sign.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I came home from school one day and my mom,
this is a few months after I had gotten home
and recovered, she came racing up to me saying, I
got a sign from Brian. I got a sign from Brian.
And I said, you did, Okay, what happened? And she said,
I was sitting at the dining table and I was
doodling on a piece of paper, talking on the phone
to my brother, which is my uncle Laurren, and she said,
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out of nowhere, one drop of water landed on my
piece of paper. And I'm like, oh, okay. I didn't
know that would be a sign from Brian. Like I
was very skeptical, but I tried to be supportive, and
I said, did you have a glass of water nearby
or was there anything that could accost that? And her
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brother even said when she told him what had happened,
he said, oh, you must need to get your roof replaced.
And she said, I just had it replaced last year,
so that's not what did this. It was Brian. So
I was like, okay, that's amazing. I really didn't know
what to think, but I wasn't going to shut her
down or anything. And I didn't know to think until
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the same thing happened to me. I came home from
school one day, I was home alone. I went into
my bedroom. I was going to school for graphic design
at the time, and I had some artwork that I
had done that was like different pieces of paper that
made a claw and it was coming on glut and
I thought, oh, I'm going to just sit down and
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reagloo this. So I sat down, Chris, crossed my legs,
sat down, got drink glue stick, started gluing. One drop
of water landed right in the center of my painting.
I couldn't believe it. I looked up, and I looked
down to make sure it was still there and make
sure I wasn't going crazy, and it was starting to dry.
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And I wish there were smartphones back then because I
would have taken a picture of it. But I felt it,
and it was wet and it was there, and from
then on I knew that signs were a real thing.
I was so excited to tell my mom, and we
both couldn't believe it. I had never heard heard of
anyone getting a drop of water from a loved one,
but I have researched it, and it is a thing.
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It's rare, but it can happen. The cool thing is
years later, a friend of mine not cool. She had
lost her mother about a month before this happened. She
and I went to go run Samarn's and as we
were both getting into the car, she felt a drop
of water on her arm and she said, what a
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drop of water just landed on my arm. It's not
even rating and it was a clear evening, and immediately
I knew. I told her, explained about the drops of
water my mom had and I had, and her eyes
filled with tears, and I'm like, that was your mom.
And I can just picture right now your mom wanting
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to reach you and saying, Okay, she's with Karen. Karen
lost her brother Ryan, come here, come help me, help
me find a way to let my daughter know that
I'm still around, that I'm with her, And I I
could just picture that whole thing happening, and that you
can get signs through other people and the spirits are
helping each other. And then I'm helping my friend recognize
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that was a sign. It all just was so incredible.
It was so incredible. So the drops of water, those
were the first signs that we got. And then another
time I learned that doubt can creep in. It's easy
for doubt to creep in when you get a sign,
you think, was that just a coincidence, But my brother
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proved me wrong. So I was driving one day. It
was a day that I had found out I was pregnant,
and I had driven up to go see my mom
and tell her the good news. On my way home,
I had an album playing. It's an album that contains
about two hundred songs, and I had it on shuffle
in my car. And there are a handful of songs
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that my family and I refer to as Brian's songs,
and they were songs that he loved and whenever we
hear them, we can sure him in our mind singing
along to him. So anyway, that day, even though I
had it on shuffle, two of his songs came on
right in a rope as I was driving. And I
was talking to my mom too while I was driving,
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and I told her, I said, when the first song
came on, it was more than words by extreme And
I said, more than words is playing, Mom, Maybe that's
Brian's way of saying congratulations. And she said, oh, that's
so amazing. The next song came on and it was
Kokomo by the Beach Boys. I feel like that's Brian's
congratulations song to me because some other things that happened
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which I can tell you about. So that song came
on and I was like, oh, my gosh, two in
a row. And she said, it would be really amazing
if Somewhere out There came on because that song was
sung at my brother's funeral. And I said, oh, that
would be so amazing if that came on, but I
don't have that song. And then we said goodbye, and
I continued driving and I said out loud, I said, Brian,
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I really think that was you. At the same time,
it's so easy to think maybe that was just a coincidence.
So if that really was you, could you please play
Somewhere out There? Next, I turned my iPod off and
I turned on the radio that the ads for running.
But as soon as they ads quit running, some are
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out There came on the radio, and that's when I
learned that you don't have to just wait for signs,
you can ask for them. And then my journey of
asking him for signs began.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
This is such good news, and this goes over the
realm of thirty three years because you left us at
eighteen and then suddenly you're in the car pregnant.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, yes, I skipped ahead. No, it's okay, Is it okay? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Because time has passed. But this is such good news.
I love that and I love those songs somewhere out there. Okay,
So the journey begins of asking for signs. Continue with
your stories, please, pretty cool?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right? Yeah? Sure? One of them happened to my mom,
but she didn't ask for it, but it was incredible.
There was a campaign in Utah called hold On to
Dear Life. It was a seat belt campaign. The campaign
asked my parents if they could feature my brother's picture
in one of the commercials. So they did, and those
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commercials played throughout the nineties. So my brother was nine
when he died. On his thirtieth birthday, my mom was
at home and she had asked Brian for a sign.
She had the TV on. She hears the song for
the hold On to Dear Life campaign. She looks over
at the screen and sees my brother's picture spread across
her TV screen on his thirtieth birthday. And at that time,
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those commercials were very rare to come on the TV.
She was blown away. And then on the twenty fifth
anniversary of that campaign, it happened to be my brother
anniversary date of his passing, and the same thing happened.
My mom looked at the TV and there was my
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brother's picture. So on his thirtieth birthday and on the
anniversary date of his passing, both times she saw his
picture spread across the TV screen. She hadn't seen him
before and she never saw him since. On those two
special days, she saw his picture right there on the screen,
So that was pretty amazing. It is.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And on your book cover you're holding a leaf and
inside the leaf there's a heart cut out of it.
Weren't hearts and finding heart shaped objects part of the journey,
part of my journey, but mostly kind of my dad's journey.
So my dad he lost the love of his life
to suicide several years ago. Her name was Terry. She
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was an amazing woman.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
My dad his heart was crushed by losing my brother
and then to lose her has just been really hard
for him. But my dad has gotten so many signs
from her that are just incredible. One year, he and
my sister went to Oregon on a trip. My dad
believes that Terry feels it's important that he's here with
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me and my sisters because she lost her dad at
a young age. The next day, my dad was resting
in the hotel and my sister went for a walk
along the beach. She said, Terry, please help me give
me a heart to bring back to my dad. So
she walked along the beach, hoping to stumble upon a
heart shaped fichell or a rock or something like that.
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She walked along for about five minutes, felt discouraged. She
didn't see anything, so she turned around and started walking
her way back. All of a sudden, she saw a
heart shape in the sand. And it's incredible that she
even saw it because it was the size of a
dime and it was brown, wooden, brown heart in the brown,
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soft sand. She found this heart. She looked down and
she picked it up. She blew the sand off of it,
and carved in the heart were the words love. She
could not believe her eyes, so she looked down to
see if there were any more, and she dug around
a little bit. There were three more, totaling four hearts.
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My dad and Terry share a special number, and it's
four four to get four hearts that represented my dad
and his three daughters. Was incredible. After she had just
asked for that, she brought it back to my dad
and he couldn't believe it. He just loved that sign
so much that he had the hearts made into necklaces
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for all of us. It was just incredible.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Karen, in your book you mentioned a sign that your
dad got from Terry.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Would you tell us about that. Yes, so, my dad
and Terry they shared the number forty four. However, three
four four and four four four were like their ultimate number.
And so when she passed, his family asked him to
put together a video of pictures and music to play
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at her celebration of life. As he looked through the pictures,
he came across a video he had forgotten that he had,
and it was a video of Terry singing Somewhere over
the Rainbow. To my dad, it was a very non
traditional somewhere over the Rainbow, which she liked to kind
of spice things up and sing it in a really
unique way. So he found that video and added it
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to the end of the compilation, and he felt so
proud that he had finished that for Terry's family, he
sent it to one of Terry's daughters, and she wrote
back and just praised him and said how amazing it
had turned out. So he felt really good about that,
and he went to bed that night. In the middle
of the night, he was awoken by Dumire over the
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Rainbow by Katherine McPhee playing on his smart speaker by itself,
and he looked at the clock and the tie was
three four four. It was their signature time, their ultimate number,
with Somewhere over the Rainbow being played in the middle
of the night. My dad couldn't believe it, and he knew.
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He woke up in the morning and he called me
and told me what had happened. We both knew that
was Terry's way of saying thank you for putting together
that video for me.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's time for the break and when we get back
we'll ask Karen what we need to do to get
some signs for ourselves. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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Sandra Champlain and we've got guests Karen McLain with us,
sharing signs from both her brother Brian and her dad's
beloved partner Terry. Let's talk about asking for signs, because
I don't think we can be demanding on our loved ones,
nor do I think that they possess all the information
in the universe to make things happen. Could you talk
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about any advice about asking for a sign? Does it
have to be specific? How specific any advice?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Being aware is very important and being open to the
possibility that it can happen. So when you place an
order online, you expect to get what you ordered, So
when you ask, try and expect that you're going to
get it back. I feel like when we ask, it's
almost like sending a text to our loved one. I
think asking is the key to getting signs because it
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allows our loved ones to say, Okay, they're aware. I'm
not just going to give them a random sign and
hope that they notice it or put two and two
together that it was for me. They're asking, so it
totally sets the stage. So asking really is the key,
and you can be specific. I think being specific really
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helps because then you know exactly what to be aware for,
and for example, think about what your loved one liked,
or numbers that relate to them. For example, one day,
I was thinking, okay, I want to ask Brian first
sign and I never asked him for this, and I thought, okay,
what are some things Brian? He loved teenage mutant ninja turtles,
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and I haven't seen a teenage mutant ninja turtle in years,
probably since the accident. So I thought, okay, Brian, give
me a teenage mutant ninja turtle within the next couple
of days. I always give a timeline like an expectation,
so I said, in next couple of days, give me
a teenage mutant ninja turtle. Next night, I came home
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from a concert my husband and I had been to.
I was getting we're ready for bed, and the TV
was on. My husband had some show with motorcycles and
he had left the room, and I thought, I don't
want to hear this. I'm trying to wind down. It
was on Netflix, and I just put it onto the
main menu. I was enjoying the quiet stillness. The screen
was just the Netflix menu with nothing playing. I started
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getting ready for bed, washing my face. All of a sudden,
I hear teenage Ninja Turtles teenage Ninja Turtles repeating, and
I leaned over and looked at the TV and there
was this show that was all about toys and their history,
and that episode happened to be all about the history
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of teenage ninja turtles and how they were created. It
came on all by itself the next day after I
had asked him for that sign. So to me, that
was a great example of asking for exactly what I
wanted and getting it. My kids had witnessed some of
these signs happening, but I wanted my daughter to know
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that she could ask for signs herself, and so one
day I said, hey, you could ask your uncle Brian.
You could ask him for signs, because I wanted them
to know how it works and how they can connect
to their uncle. And I said, what do you think
you would want to ask him for? Because signs aren't
always literal, Like you might ask for a bird and
you might see a billboard with that bird on it,
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or see it on the TV. There's so many different
ways other than actual seeing a bird in real life.
So I said, we could ask for a bird. You
could even ask for a frog. You could ask for
a number. And I like asking for numbers, take the
year they were born or their birth month, and ask
them for that specific number. So I asked my daughter
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and she said, I want to ask for Finn the cat.
And I said, who is Finn the cat? And she said, oh,
he's this orange and white tabby that came into our
yard about a year ago. And I said, okay, so
it was summertime. And I'm like, so last summer, this
orange and white cat came into her yard named Finn,
and you want to ask Brian for Finn. Okay, how
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did you know his name was Ben? And she said
was tag? It said Finn. And I'm like, okay, that
might be a little too specific, that might be hard.
So why don't we just ask for an orange and
white cat and see what happens? And she said okay.
An hour later, I go out into the backyard to
throw our garbage away. I hear a meal on our
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back steps. I look over and it's an orange and
white cat. I race inside and tell my daughter Brian
gave us our sign, come outside, come outside. She came
running outside. We ran out there and we looked at
this tag and it was Fin. And immediately my daughter said, Mom,
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you told me to no get specific. But see Ryan
did it, and I sensed, and I'll show you you
can get specific. My brother was totally telling't me that
we can be specific. I was just.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Flown away and sold was my daughter and blown away too.
And that was a year after she had seen Finn
the cat the first time. I want to ask about
your beliefs because this is a demonstration that your brother
can impact an animal. But do you think, huh we
do that with birds and butterflies and dragonflies.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oh, I totally do. Yeah. My sister Erica, she asked
Brian for a hummingbird. She was inside. She went outside
to see what her husband was doing. Right after she
had asked. Right when she stepped out the door, he said, honey,
what a hummingbird is on your roses? And it was
sitting still on her roses. And she had never seen
a hummingbird on her roses or sit still for that matter.
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That's another cool example. And with numbers, I've asked my
brother for eighty two's a lot because he was born
in nineteen eighty two. I had felt nudged to write
a book. I never planned on it, but I felt
this nudging and I didn't know how to do it
or anything like that. I kept feeling this nudging, and
I finally I said, Okay, if I'm supposed to do this, Brian,
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can you give me an eighty two in the next
couple of days. He had given me eighty twos before,
so I was asking for again as guidance to write
my story. That very night, I logged on to pay
my credit card bill and his answer was staring back
at me as a balance of eighty two eighty two,
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and I knew that meant hell, yes, sister, you need
to write your book. I was blown away, and from
there on I knew that my brother would be by
my side, he would guide me in writing. Another random day,
I just wanted to feel close to Brian, and I said, Brian,
give me an eighty two within the next week. The
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next week, I went to the store, bought my groceries.
My total came to eighty two dollars. Even to have
it be eighty two flat with everything I'd purchased, it
was just another incredible sign that he's right there with me,
he's listening, and he's by my side.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'll shout out to Brian's right here with us. I
want to ask you about physical signs because in your
book there's a story of Gizmo the dog, and also
Gwen's experience with her grandma Betty's hug. Can you tell
us about those?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes. So, my dog, giz he was the best dog.
We always brought him with us to our grandparents' house
whenever we would visit. They would watch him whenever we
went out of town. He had passed away, and I
went to visit my grandparents one day. They kept their
house really cold, and I was wearing shorts, and I
sat down at the dining table and we were all
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this visiting. Suddenly I felt this overwhelming warmth on my lap,
right where giz would always sit, just on my thighs.
It was so warm, I had to look down. I
thought something spilled on my legs. Immediately I knew it
was Gizmol because he loved hanging out with my grandparents,
who loved their house, and I just knew it was him.
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And then my friend Gwen, she had to testify for
a friend in court who was trying to get custody
of her kids, and she had prayed to her grandma,
who prayed for a sign of birds when they were
in court, she could see that her friend was crying,
and at that moment, she asked her grandma for another sign,
and she said, Grandma, Betty, please help my friend right now.
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And as she said that, in her mind, her friend
turned around and looked at her. When they were leaving
the courtroom, they saw an amazing amount of birds on
their way home that they normally don't see, and she
knew that was a sign from her grandma. But as
they were driving, her friend said, I asked all the
matriarchs in my family to be there in the courtroom,
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but there was one presence that was different, and my
friend Gwen said, yeah, that was my grandma. I asked
my grandma to be there, and she said that was
who gave me the hug. My friend Gwen was blown
away because right when she asked for her grandma to
hug her friend was right when her friend turned around.
So her friend felt that hug and feeling that physical
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touch from a loved one. It was absolutely amazing that
they can actually touch us. I have another experience where
I was touched by spirit. I was home alone doing
the dishes and I was going through a help issue
at the time. I suddenly felt a strong path right
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on the top of my head, and at first I
thought a drop of water and I felt my head.
Now it wasn't wet. I knew because I was going
through a help issue, that someone from the other side
had done that. I glanced around the room and I
was like, Okay, what do you want me to know?
Who's here? And I just kind of looked around, and
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eventually I turned around and kept doing the dishes. It
was a mystery as to what that was. Later I
found out that an old boyfriend of mine had died.
The minute I found out he had passed, I flashed
back to that moment and I knew there was no way,
no doubt that was him, because he wasn't the nicest guy.
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And he used to tap me on the head exactly
like that when I would say the word like the
way a valley girl uses it, like I went to
the store, and then like I went to the mall.
So when I would say that, he would tap me
on the head, and I knew it was him, and
I don't know what other way he could have let
me known it was him. So that was in twenty
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eighteen when that happened. He died in twenty thirteen. That
was five years after his death. I've gotten signs from
Brian over the last thirty three years. But I think
sometimes people think if it's been more than a year
or more than a certain amount of time, that our
loved ones move on and they're not giving us signs anymore.
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But that's not true. My brother has shown me that,
and that ex boyfriend showed me that, and his taps
were so distinct. I don't know why I didn't think, wait,
did he die when I felt that he was young
and healthy, so I figured he was off living his
life somewhere, and it turned out that he had committed suicide,
so that's why he died early.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's all so tough, tough being human, very tough being human.
I have so much compassion for people, and I know
you know this because you've been part of my world
for a long time listening to me. But when my
dad died and I lost the relationships with my siblings,
I hit such a dark place and I wasn't considering
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taking my own life, but I totally got how there
is a place that we human beings.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Can get to such a dark place that seems like
the only way out.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
We'll be right back with more. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(38:27):
I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with author Karen McLain,
who wrote the book Right Days Do Come. She was
just sharing a tap on her head that was a
sign she found out from a boyfriend. She didn't realize
he passed. Let's continue.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It turned out that he had committed suicide, so that's
why he died early. It's all so tough, tough being human,
very tough being human. I have so much compassion for people,
and I know you know this because you've been part
of my world for a long time listening to me.
But when my dad died and I lost the relationships
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with my siblings, I hit such a dark place and
I wasn't considering taking my own life, but I totally
got how there is a place that we human beings
can get to, such a dark place that seems like
the only way out.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
So I know, I know in the afterlife, people are
accepted with open arms. There's no punishment, no judgment, no nothing.
There's just that love, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
And I feel like when we're just going along in
life and that loved one cross our minds, I feel
like that's just us tuning into their presence, that's them
showing us there near. I actually have another boyfriend who
passed away. He had really bad help but I didn't
know that he had passed away, but I had a
dream of him. The night he passed. My family and
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I were on a trip to Dowsnengland, and we went
to bed that night the next morning ready for the parks,
but I couldn't shake the dream I had just pad.
I had a dream that I was standing in vast whiteness.
There was no ceiling, no walls, no floor. It was
just like I was floating in the middle of pure whiteness.
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My ex boyfriend was to my right and he was
with a woman with dark hair, and I sensed that
they were getting ready to leave. I asked, how do
you to know each other? And the woman said, oh,
from here and from there playfully, and I was like okay.
And then my son was next to me. In this
dream I call a dream, but it's really a visitation.
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As I was patting my son on his shoulder. My
ex boyfriend said, you're a good mom, which was very
pertinent because he was adamant about not having children, and
when we were dating, I didn't want children either, but
he was recognizing that I was a mom, so I
found that really important to the experience. When I woke up,
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I was just puzzled as to why I had had
this dream because we had broken up seventeen years earlier,
I'm married, I have my kids. Now, why would I
have a dream about an ex boyfriend and why would
it be in the white place like this? And normally
I probably would have thought did he die? But we
were in Disneyland. I was out of my element, so
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we just spent along with the day. But I felt
this strong presence of him all day, and at the
time I just thought it was just because I had
a dream of him, that I had this feeling of
him because of the dream. But later that night, as
I was leaving Disneyland, my watch buzzed and it was
a mutual friend who said, I don't know if you've heard,
(41:44):
but he passed the way last night. I was shocked.
And when a loved one passes right around the time
of their death, that's actually called a shared death experience.
So then I knew that's what had happened. And then
years later, I took my son to get a haircut
at the barber shop. I was waiting for my son
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and a song came on the radio in the salon.
It was his favorite musician. It was iggy pop. The
song was like, not really a family friendly song, so
I was like, oh, wow, that's playing in here, and
I thought, this really makes me think of him. But
it wasn't a special day or anything, and every time
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I hear a song, I don't want to think, oh,
that's a sign. So I just thought, that really reminds
me of him. But I wouldn't necessarily called the sign
until the next barber came up and yelled out my
ex boyfriend's name for their next client, and I thought, Okay,
that's a sign. That's a sign.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
That's incredible. So it's gonna be sure to ask you
about your book and what's in it. So it's called
Bright Days Do Come, a Journey of Lost light and
Signs from beyond, so I know you tell your story.
There's lots of signs, even more signs, but to talk
us through the book, what we can find in it.
(43:08):
And then let's spend a few minutes just talking about
some of your beliefs before we wrap up the episode.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Okay. In my book, I talk about the journey of
the accident. I talk about how I dealt with grief
to not my pain. I did drink alcohol for a while.
Eventually I learned to love myself and to feel all
of my feelings. I think feeling all of your feelings
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is what really helps with grief, to not shut it down.
My mom describes grief as tears filling up in a cup,
and when the cup gets full, it overflows, and you
want to let that overflow. You don't want to drink
alcohol to numb it or just push it down. You
want to let those tears flow, but you also don't
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want to let them overrun your life. Our loved ones
want to see us happy and living our lives. They
don't want us just wallowing in grief. So I touch
on grief. I describe the accident, and I share all
these incredible signs and what I've come to learn. I've
really learned that life is so precious. It can change
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in the blink of an eye. So it's really important
to cherish every moment and everything we do. Treat it
as if it's the last time we're doing it, because
one day it will be that. We don't always know
that it's the last time while we're experiencing it. You
know that last time I rode with my brother in
the car, I didn't know that was the last time
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we were going to laugh together or look at magazines together.
And I talk about that and that how every situation
in life, even the tragedies, no matter what we go
through in life, if you look hard enough, you can
find the gifts that are hidden in those tragedies. There's
always something positive you can take from it, even if
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it's just a lesson learned. I've learned too not to
regret things, because everything that we do is experience, and
the only things I've come to find that we should
regret are the things that we didn't do. I like
to wake up each morning and think what would I
regret if I didn't do today, and then try to
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go out and do those things.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's really nice. Yeah, you mentioned too, something I've never
heard of before, law of conservation of energy.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
What the heck is that? Yeah? So it's a law
that says nothing can be created nor destroyed. Therefore, I
look at our existence as the infinity symbol. There's not
a point where it began or where it ends. Because
I knew that I existed before I was born, because
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I saw my mom and I always exist after we left.
Because I've had experiences with my brother, that law of
conservation of energy totally makes sense to me that we
don't die. I pitt your life as like an Earth school.
It's like a boarding school. When the bell rings for us,
we graduate and we're all going to go there. And
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one thing that helps me is to remember that death
isn't an anomaly. It happens to all of us. And
I know it's shocking when someone dies, but it's going
to happen to us all, and we're all going to
still exist. We're all going to still be together, and
it's all going to be okay. We're just here temporarily.
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Those that have gone before us just went sooner than
we did, but we'll be joining them. This is my book.
It's called Bright Days Do Come. It's very symbolic to me.
The house I grew up in with my family, we
had sycamore trees in our front yard, and interestingly the
year of the accident. Our accident happened in the fall,
(47:02):
so all the leaves on it were yellow and they
didn't fall off the tree that year. It's like they
were waiting for my brother to come play underneath the
trees badly. He never did, but the leaf kind of
represents that, and the heart represents the hearts that my
sister found from Terry and the sand. It really is
(47:23):
a symbolic cover for me that really resonates. It's my
whole story. Thank you so much, right and I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I know people listening right now can't see it, but
you can just go to Amazon and type in bright
Days do come or Karen McClain in our last moments
together here? Is there anything I should have asked you
that I didn't? But is there any last words that
you have or anything else you want to cover before
we go on our separate ways.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I would just say that I would like people just
to remember that your loved ones are close, they hear you.
Remember to be open. Being open and being aware and
asking are the main us to getting signs from your
loved ones. And to just have gratitude the things that
happened to us look for the blessings and shift your
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perspective too. For years, I thought, oh, I only had
my brother for nine years, and now I look at
it and say, I got to have my brother for
nine years. So shifting your perspective, looking at the good
times and the full or glass half empty, looking at
life and the things that happened to us in that
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way can really help. And knowing that there's a lot
of storms throughout our lives, but just remembering that bright
days do come. Life's not static. It's not the same.
The positive times come and the dark times come, but
they'll always be a bright day to come. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Karen, thank you so much for being our guest today.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I'm so
thrilled to be here. Thank you, Sam, I'm you're my favorite.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I think you'll agree that Karen did a very good
job on her first interview. You can find out more
about Karen on her website, author karenmcclain dot com, and
Karen is spelt kar I n Just recently, I was
thinking how intelligent the universe is, how animals have instinct,
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how our bodies know how to heal on their own.
Add to that the stories we hear from near death
experiences that our consciousness is outside of our body, so
we don't experience the pain of death. Also, add to
that the deathbed visitations, the thousands of people documented that
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see loved ones or pets by their side. So it's
an intelligent universe. Why wouldn't we believe in the afterlife.
All we are is vibrating invisible energy living in an
ever expanding universe. So with that, our time.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
For today is over.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
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On each episode, we'll discuss us the reasons we now
know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and
(01:05):
so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You've
heard of signs from your loved ones in the afterlife.
My guest today has had a lot of them. Her
name is Karen McClain, and believe it or not, this
is her very first interview. She was nervous. I think
she did a great job. She's a loyal listener of
(01:26):
Shades of the Afterlife, has a heartbreaking story to tell,
but is the author of a brand new book called
Bright Days Do Come, a journey of loss, light and
Signs from Beyond. Here's Karen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hi. I'm from Utah and my story began thirty three
years ago. I was in a car accident with my
whole family. We were traveling and my little sister, she
was driving and she was sixteen at the time and
had a fresh license. My mom was in the passenger
seat and they had their seat belts on. In the
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back seats were me I was eighteen, my fourteen year
old sister, and the caboose, Brian, he was nine. As
we drove along the freeway, my sister, who was driving,
took a sick of Coca cola. She leaned over. The
car started to drift and we over corrected. We rolled
four times on the freeway and those of us in
(02:22):
the back seats were thrown. We had an emergency room
doctor who's behind our car, and when he saw me
he thought she won't have her legs, but he saved
my legs and my life. Unfortunately, my younger sister, she
was injured, but she was okay. But my little brother
Brian was killed. It's been a long, rough journey, and
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you think those things happened to other people, not to me.
Ever since then, everyone in my family we won't go
anywhere without wearing our seat belts. My sister Kristen who
was thrown, She and I had to live in a
rehab for months after the accident. We had to be
in wheelchairs. I broke both of my femurs. She broke
(03:07):
one femur and had a hairline fracture in her held
us on the opposite side. I avoided a close tied
injury because my face took the brunt of the hit.
I shattered my orbital floor, broke my knolles, broke part
of my jaw, and collapsed both lungs. We had pretty
severe injuries, but being in the rehab, I pondered everything
(03:30):
that had happened. My aunt brought me a journal, and
I'm so glad that she did because I've always liked
to write and get my thoughts down on paper. I
wrote a poem as I thought about everything that had happened.
I called it emotional weather. It reads life is like
the weather. It changes from day to day like the rain.
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Many tears fall like the wind. Things flow in and
out of life like a storm. You don't know what
to respect, like the sun. Right days did come. Little
did I know at the time that last line of
my poem would become the title of my book thirty
three years later. My goodness, you were eighteen when you
(04:14):
wrote that. Yeah, I was eighteen.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And were you told right away that your brother had passed?
You were in a state of shock, I'm sure, with
broken everything.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it was really hard to find out about his death.
When I first awoke after the accident, my eyes were
swollen and blackened, and so I could only see a
sliver of the world around me, and I was on
life support machines, and I don't even know what day
it was that I first open my eyes, but I
heard my dad's voice telling me that we had been
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in a bad car accident and that both of my
legs were now broken. I had just started my first
week of college, and I was just shocked that this
was my new reality. And interestingly, I I always thought
to myself, Oh, that would be the worst thing to
break both of your legs at the same time, I
had always thought that growing up, and then it happened
(05:10):
to me. I was just shocked. And I've learned not
to focus on the things that I don't want anymore
and focus on the things I do want, because I
had focused on that so much. My memories of being
in the hospital are in and out because I had
multiple surgeries over several days, and the medications flowing through
(05:33):
my veins effect your waking and sleeping moments. They all
got blurred together. But at some point my mom and
my aunt came into my room and the opening of
the door awoken me from the slumber. I heard my
aunt ask my mom does she know about Brian yet
under her breath. I went from half asleep to wide
(05:55):
awake with a pounding heart in zero point one seconds,
and I was like, what happened to Brian? And that's
how I found out he had passed. They told me,
and I was crushed. At that time, his funeral had
already happened. That's been really hard to deal with. When
I got home from the rehab three months later, my
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brother's belongings were all in a box, and so I
never got the chance to go into his room to
lay on his bed, or hug his stuffed animals, or
to see the way he had left his room. I
came to find out that the rest of my family
members never had that chance, either, my sister that was
driving and my mom. They were in the hospital for
(06:36):
three days. During that time, some relatives went and cleared
my brother's room out. They were trying to take that
burden off my mom's shoulder, but it really was detrimental
to us because we never got that closure. But it
was nice having my sister Kristen in the rehab with me,
so that brought a sense of home to the rehab.
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Remind us how old was he was nine nine old?
He was nine. He's the cutest boy. I had two sisters.
And then when Brian came along, he was the thing
that just livened up our family. He was the best.
He was so sweet. And luckily, since the accident, he
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has shown my family and I that he's still around,
he's still with us. He's given us so many incredible
signs and it's been so comforting, and that has been
so healing. I had never really lost a loved one.
My grandparents were all alive at the time, and I
figured that we would live after we died because I
(07:40):
had a pre birth memory. Because of that, I figured
throughout my life that, well, if I remember something from
before I was born, I've got to exist after. I
had never about that carriage. Yeah, I don't know. I
was probably eleven years old and I had always had
a memory in my mind and I just never I
know what it was. Around the age of eleven, I
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came to my mom and said, Mom, I've always had
this memory and I don't know what it is. And
she said, tell me about it. What was it? And
I said, I was up high and I was looking
down and I saw a woman typing. She had on
this a distinctly colored dress. It wasn't quite lavender and
it wasn't quite pink. It was a mixture of the two.
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I remember it very clearly, and she had dark hair,
and it was a spiraled up on top. She was typing,
and the flooring around her was big white tile squares,
and my mom's jaw dropped. I had just described the
office she worked in as a secretary when she was
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pregnant with me. Because of that, I truly feel that
I chose my mom. So when she told me that,
I finally knew what that memory was, and then I
knew there's no way I'm not going to exist after
if I just did before. And so that had always
been a comfort to me throughout my.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Life, and I'm sure to your mom too, knowing that
there's something else. Did you grow up in a religious family?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I did. Yeah, I grew up LDS and I had
always followed a really straight line. After the accident, though,
I had a realization that oh my gosh, I almost died,
and I felt like I never truly lived because I
just did what I was told and I never really
had the opportunity to just choose for myself and live
(09:34):
and create my own life. So after the accident, I
shed my religion like a snake sheds its skin. I
became spiritual. And then when I started getting signs for
my brother, that's when I knew for sure but he
still existed, and that's when my spirituality really grew.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I want to get into the signs for sure, but
I'm just imagining you and your family grieving not only
the death of your brother, but also all the pain
and suffering, plus your sister who was driving. I can't
imagine the guilt she probably felt. So maybe talk a
(10:13):
little bit about that and then when did the signs
start appearing? And how okay?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
My sister Erica, Yeah, she had a really rough time
with guilt. We all told her the accidents happened, it's
not your fault, but it's hard when you're the driver,
and she held onto that and she went through a
really rebellious phase, but she came out the other side.
She's such a strong person. She's happily married now and
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doing really great. My dad wasn't with us. My parents
are divorced. He was at a football game where my
brother would normally be sitting next to him. The speakers
called out to him to go to the desk, and
he knew something was wrong, and the minute he went
up there, they told her what had happened, and he
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raced up to the hospital and was at my brother's side.
So my brother he was killed on impact. He landed
on his head when the accident happened. He went into
cardiac arrest and they revived him and their life lighted
him to the hospital, but Unfortunately, they found that there
was no neural activity in his brain. The very next day,
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my parents had to make the decision to have the
life support turned off, and that was just absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Of course, big hugs. I know it's thirty three years ago,
but it can feel and seem and the memories of
just like yesterday. But out of that grief, you went
on a journey and signs started appearing. So tell us
about that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah. One of the first experiences I had was I
was driving and I suddenly felt his presence next to me,
and it was undeniable. I couldn't deny that he was
next to me, and I felt so good to feel
him close again. It just felt so good, and I
talked out loud to him. I spoke out loud and said, Brian,
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I miss you, and I'm so grateful that I have
you as my brother, and thank you for coming to
see me. It just felt so good. And then it dissipated.
I knew he was around, that we hadn't received any
signs yet. Then I came home from school one day
and my mom, this is a few months after I
had gotten home and recovered, she came racing up to
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me saying I got a sign from Brian. I got
a sign from Brian. And I said, you did, Okay,
what happened? And she said, I was sitting at the
dining table and I was doodling on a piece of paper,
talking on the phone to my brother, which is my
uncle Laurn, and she said, out of nowhere, one drop
of water landed on my piece of paper. And I'm like, oh, okay,
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I didn't know that would be a sign from Brian.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We have to take a quick break and we'll be
right back. Karen has a lot signs to share on
this episode. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're here with listener Karen McClain, author of the
new book Bright Days Do Come. Her family was involved
in a terrible crash when she was eighteen years old,
and her nine year old brother Brian was killed. Before
the break, she said she felt his undeniable presence in
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the car with her, and now she'll share what might
be her mom's first sign.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I came home from school one day and my mom,
this is a few months after I had gotten home
and recovered, she came racing up to me saying, I
got a sign from Brian. I got a sign from Brian.
And I said, you did, Okay, what happened? And she said,
I was sitting at the dining table and I was
doodling on a piece of paper, talking on the phone
to my brother, which is my uncle Laurren, and she said,
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out of nowhere, one drop of water landed on my
piece of paper. And I'm like, oh, okay. I didn't
know that would be a sign from Brian. Like I
was very skeptical, but I tried to be supportive, and
I said, did you have a glass of water nearby
or was there anything that could accost that? And her
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brother even said when she told him what had happened,
he said, oh, you must need to get your roof replaced.
And she said, I just had it replaced last year,
so that's not what did this. It was Brian. So
I was like, okay, that's amazing. I really didn't know
what to think, but I wasn't going to shut her
down or anything. And I didn't know to think until
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the same thing happened to me. I came home from
school one day, I was home alone. I went into
my bedroom. I was going to school for graphic design
at the time, and I had some artwork that I
had done that was like different pieces of paper that
made a claw and it was coming on glut and
I thought, oh, I'm going to just sit down and
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reagloo this. So I sat down, Chris, crossed my legs,
sat down, got drink glue stick, started gluing. One drop
of water landed right in the center of my painting.
I couldn't believe it. I looked up, and I looked
down to make sure it was still there and make
sure I wasn't going crazy, and it was starting to dry.
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And I wish there were smartphones back then because I
would have taken a picture of it. But I felt it,
and it was wet and it was there, and from
then on I knew that signs were a real thing.
I was so excited to tell my mom, and we
both couldn't believe it. I had never heard heard of
anyone getting a drop of water from a loved one,
but I have researched it, and it is a thing.
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It's rare, but it can happen. The cool thing is
years later, a friend of mine not cool. She had
lost her mother about a month before this happened. She
and I went to go run Samarn's and as we
were both getting into the car, she felt a drop
of water on her arm and she said, what a
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drop of water just landed on my arm. It's not
even rating and it was a clear evening, and immediately
I knew. I told her, explained about the drops of
water my mom had and I had, and her eyes
filled with tears, and I'm like, that was your mom.
And I can just picture right now your mom wanting
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to reach you and saying, Okay, she's with Karen. Karen
lost her brother Ryan, come here, come help me, help
me find a way to let my daughter know that
I'm still around, that I'm with her, And I I
could just picture that whole thing happening, and that you
can get signs through other people and the spirits are
helping each other. And then I'm helping my friend recognize
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that was a sign. It all just was so incredible.
It was so incredible. So the drops of water, those
were the first signs that we got. And then another
time I learned that doubt can creep in. It's easy
for doubt to creep in when you get a sign,
you think, was that just a coincidence, But my brother
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proved me wrong. So I was driving one day. It
was a day that I had found out I was pregnant,
and I had driven up to go see my mom
and tell her the good news. On my way home,
I had an album playing. It's an album that contains
about two hundred songs, and I had it on shuffle
in my car. And there are a handful of songs
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that my family and I refer to as Brian's songs,
and they were songs that he loved and whenever we
hear them, we can sure him in our mind singing
along to him. So anyway, that day, even though I
had it on shuffle, two of his songs came on
right in a rope as I was driving. And I
was talking to my mom too while I was driving,
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and I told her, I said, when the first song
came on, it was more than words by extreme And
I said, more than words is playing, Mom, Maybe that's
Brian's way of saying congratulations. And she said, oh, that's
so amazing. The next song came on and it was
Kokomo by the Beach Boys. I feel like that's Brian's
congratulations song to me because some other things that happened
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which I can tell you about. So that song came
on and I was like, oh, my gosh, two in
a row. And she said, it would be really amazing
if Somewhere out There came on because that song was
sung at my brother's funeral. And I said, oh, that
would be so amazing if that came on, but I
don't have that song. And then we said goodbye, and
I continued driving and I said out loud, I said, Brian,
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I really think that was you. At the same time,
it's so easy to think maybe that was just a coincidence.
So if that really was you, could you please play
Somewhere out There? Next, I turned my iPod off and
I turned on the radio that the ads for running.
But as soon as they ads quit running, some are
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out There came on the radio, and that's when I
learned that you don't have to just wait for signs,
you can ask for them. And then my journey of
asking him for signs began.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
This is such good news, and this goes over the
realm of thirty three years because you left us at
eighteen and then suddenly you're in the car pregnant.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, yes, I skipped ahead. No, it's okay, Is it okay? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Because time has passed. But this is such good news.
I love that and I love those songs somewhere out there. Okay,
So the journey begins of asking for signs. Continue with
your stories, please, pretty cool?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right? Yeah? Sure? One of them happened to my mom,
but she didn't ask for it, but it was incredible.
There was a campaign in Utah called hold On to
Dear Life. It was a seat belt campaign. The campaign
asked my parents if they could feature my brother's picture
in one of the commercials. So they did, and those
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commercials played throughout the nineties. So my brother was nine
when he died. On his thirtieth birthday, my mom was
at home and she had asked Brian for a sign.
She had the TV on. She hears the song for
the hold On to Dear Life campaign. She looks over
at the screen and sees my brother's picture spread across
her TV screen on his thirtieth birthday. And at that time,
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those commercials were very rare to come on the TV.
She was blown away. And then on the twenty fifth
anniversary of that campaign, it happened to be my brother
anniversary date of his passing, and the same thing happened.
My mom looked at the TV and there was my
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brother's picture. So on his thirtieth birthday and on the
anniversary date of his passing, both times she saw his
picture spread across the TV screen. She hadn't seen him
before and she never saw him since. On those two
special days, she saw his picture right there on the screen,
So that was pretty amazing. It is.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And on your book cover you're holding a leaf and
inside the leaf there's a heart cut out of it.
Weren't hearts and finding heart shaped objects part of the journey,
part of my journey, but mostly kind of my dad's journey.
So my dad he lost the love of his life
to suicide several years ago. Her name was Terry. She
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was an amazing woman.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
My dad his heart was crushed by losing my brother
and then to lose her has just been really hard
for him. But my dad has gotten so many signs
from her that are just incredible. One year, he and
my sister went to Oregon on a trip. My dad
believes that Terry feels it's important that he's here with
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me and my sisters because she lost her dad at
a young age. The next day, my dad was resting
in the hotel and my sister went for a walk
along the beach. She said, Terry, please help me give
me a heart to bring back to my dad. So
she walked along the beach, hoping to stumble upon a
heart shaped fichell or a rock or something like that.
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She walked along for about five minutes, felt discouraged. She
didn't see anything, so she turned around and started walking
her way back. All of a sudden, she saw a
heart shape in the sand. And it's incredible that she
even saw it because it was the size of a
dime and it was brown, wooden, brown heart in the brown,
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soft sand. She found this heart. She looked down and
she picked it up. She blew the sand off of it,
and carved in the heart were the words love. She
could not believe her eyes, so she looked down to
see if there were any more, and she dug around
a little bit. There were three more, totaling four hearts.
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My dad and Terry share a special number, and it's
four four to get four hearts that represented my dad
and his three daughters. Was incredible. After she had just
asked for that, she brought it back to my dad
and he couldn't believe it. He just loved that sign
so much that he had the hearts made into necklaces
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for all of us. It was just incredible.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Karen, in your book you mentioned a sign that your
dad got from Terry.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Would you tell us about that. Yes, so, my dad
and Terry they shared the number forty four. However, three
four four and four four four were like their ultimate number.
And so when she passed, his family asked him to
put together a video of pictures and music to play
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at her celebration of life. As he looked through the pictures,
he came across a video he had forgotten that he had,
and it was a video of Terry singing Somewhere over
the Rainbow. To my dad, it was a very non
traditional somewhere over the Rainbow, which she liked to kind
of spice things up and sing it in a really
unique way. So he found that video and added it
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to the end of the compilation, and he felt so
proud that he had finished that for Terry's family, he
sent it to one of Terry's daughters, and she wrote
back and just praised him and said how amazing it
had turned out. So he felt really good about that,
and he went to bed that night. In the middle
of the night, he was awoken by Dumire over the
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Rainbow by Katherine McPhee playing on his smart speaker by itself,
and he looked at the clock and the tie was
three four four. It was their signature time, their ultimate number,
with Somewhere over the Rainbow being played in the middle
of the night. My dad couldn't believe it, and he knew.
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He woke up in the morning and he called me
and told me what had happened. We both knew that
was Terry's way of saying thank you for putting together
that video for me.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's time for the break and when we get back
we'll ask Karen what we need to do to get
some signs for ourselves. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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Sandra Champlain and we've got guests Karen McLain with us,
sharing signs from both her brother Brian and her dad's
beloved partner Terry. Let's talk about asking for signs, because
I don't think we can be demanding on our loved ones,
nor do I think that they possess all the information
in the universe to make things happen. Could you talk
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about any advice about asking for a sign? Does it
have to be specific? How specific any advice?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Being aware is very important and being open to the
possibility that it can happen. So when you place an
order online, you expect to get what you ordered, So
when you ask, try and expect that you're going to
get it back. I feel like when we ask, it's
almost like sending a text to our loved one. I
think asking is the key to getting signs because it
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allows our loved ones to say, Okay, they're aware. I'm
not just going to give them a random sign and
hope that they notice it or put two and two
together that it was for me. They're asking, so it
totally sets the stage. So asking really is the key,
and you can be specific. I think being specific really
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helps because then you know exactly what to be aware for,
and for example, think about what your loved one liked,
or numbers that relate to them. For example, one day,
I was thinking, okay, I want to ask Brian first
sign and I never asked him for this, and I thought, okay,
what are some things Brian? He loved teenage mutant ninja turtles,
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and I haven't seen a teenage mutant ninja turtle in years,
probably since the accident. So I thought, okay, Brian, give
me a teenage mutant ninja turtle within the next couple
of days. I always give a timeline like an expectation,
so I said, in next couple of days, give me
a teenage mutant ninja turtle. Next night, I came home
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from a concert my husband and I had been to.
I was getting we're ready for bed, and the TV
was on. My husband had some show with motorcycles and
he had left the room, and I thought, I don't
want to hear this. I'm trying to wind down. It
was on Netflix, and I just put it onto the
main menu. I was enjoying the quiet stillness. The screen
was just the Netflix menu with nothing playing. I started
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getting ready for bed, washing my face. All of a sudden,
I hear teenage Ninja Turtles teenage Ninja Turtles repeating, and
I leaned over and looked at the TV and there
was this show that was all about toys and their history,
and that episode happened to be all about the history
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of teenage ninja turtles and how they were created. It
came on all by itself the next day after I
had asked him for that sign. So to me, that
was a great example of asking for exactly what I
wanted and getting it. My kids had witnessed some of
these signs happening, but I wanted my daughter to know
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that she could ask for signs herself, and so one
day I said, hey, you could ask your uncle Brian.
You could ask him for signs, because I wanted them
to know how it works and how they can connect
to their uncle. And I said, what do you think
you would want to ask him for? Because signs aren't
always literal, Like you might ask for a bird and
you might see a billboard with that bird on it,
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or see it on the TV. There's so many different
ways other than actual seeing a bird in real life.
So I said, we could ask for a bird. You
could even ask for a frog. You could ask for
a number. And I like asking for numbers, take the
year they were born or their birth month, and ask
them for that specific number. So I asked my daughter
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and she said, I want to ask for Finn the cat.
And I said, who is Finn the cat? And she said, oh,
he's this orange and white tabby that came into our
yard about a year ago. And I said, okay, so
it was summertime. And I'm like, so last summer, this
orange and white cat came into her yard named Finn,
and you want to ask Brian for Finn. Okay, how
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did you know his name was Ben? And she said
was tag? It said Finn. And I'm like, okay, that
might be a little too specific, that might be hard.
So why don't we just ask for an orange and
white cat and see what happens? And she said okay.
An hour later, I go out into the backyard to
throw our garbage away. I hear a meal on our
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back steps. I look over and it's an orange and
white cat. I race inside and tell my daughter Brian
gave us our sign, come outside, come outside. She came
running outside. We ran out there and we looked at
this tag and it was Fin. And immediately my daughter said, Mom,
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you told me to no get specific. But see Ryan
did it, and I sensed, and I'll show you you
can get specific. My brother was totally telling't me that
we can be specific. I was just.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Flown away and sold was my daughter and blown away too.
And that was a year after she had seen Finn
the cat the first time. I want to ask about
your beliefs because this is a demonstration that your brother
can impact an animal. But do you think, huh we
do that with birds and butterflies and dragonflies.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oh, I totally do. Yeah. My sister Erica, she asked
Brian for a hummingbird. She was inside. She went outside
to see what her husband was doing. Right after she
had asked. Right when she stepped out the door, he said, honey,
what a hummingbird is on your roses? And it was
sitting still on her roses. And she had never seen
a hummingbird on her roses or sit still for that matter.
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That's another cool example. And with numbers, I've asked my
brother for eighty two's a lot because he was born
in nineteen eighty two. I had felt nudged to write
a book. I never planned on it, but I felt
this nudging and I didn't know how to do it
or anything like that. I kept feeling this nudging, and
I finally I said, Okay, if I'm supposed to do this, Brian,
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can you give me an eighty two in the next
couple of days. He had given me eighty twos before,
so I was asking for again as guidance to write
my story. That very night, I logged on to pay
my credit card bill and his answer was staring back
at me as a balance of eighty two eighty two,
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and I knew that meant hell, yes, sister, you need
to write your book. I was blown away, and from
there on I knew that my brother would be by
my side, he would guide me in writing. Another random day,
I just wanted to feel close to Brian, and I said, Brian,
give me an eighty two within the next week. The
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next week, I went to the store, bought my groceries.
My total came to eighty two dollars. Even to have
it be eighty two flat with everything I'd purchased, it
was just another incredible sign that he's right there with me,
he's listening, and he's by my side.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'll shout out to Brian's right here with us. I
want to ask you about physical signs because in your
book there's a story of Gizmo the dog, and also
Gwen's experience with her grandma Betty's hug. Can you tell
us about those?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes. So, my dog, giz he was the best dog.
We always brought him with us to our grandparents' house
whenever we would visit. They would watch him whenever we
went out of town. He had passed away, and I
went to visit my grandparents one day. They kept their
house really cold, and I was wearing shorts, and I
sat down at the dining table and we were all
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this visiting. Suddenly I felt this overwhelming warmth on my lap,
right where giz would always sit, just on my thighs.
It was so warm, I had to look down. I
thought something spilled on my legs. Immediately I knew it
was Gizmol because he loved hanging out with my grandparents,
who loved their house, and I just knew it was him.
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And then my friend Gwen, she had to testify for
a friend in court who was trying to get custody
of her kids, and she had prayed to her grandma,
who prayed for a sign of birds when they were
in court, she could see that her friend was crying,
and at that moment, she asked her grandma for another sign,
and she said, Grandma, Betty, please help my friend right now.
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And as she said that, in her mind, her friend
turned around and looked at her. When they were leaving
the courtroom, they saw an amazing amount of birds on
their way home that they normally don't see, and she
knew that was a sign from her grandma. But as
they were driving, her friend said, I asked all the
matriarchs in my family to be there in the courtroom,
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but there was one presence that was different, and my
friend Gwen said, yeah, that was my grandma. I asked
my grandma to be there, and she said that was
who gave me the hug. My friend Gwen was blown
away because right when she asked for her grandma to
hug her friend was right when her friend turned around.
So her friend felt that hug and feeling that physical
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touch from a loved one. It was absolutely amazing that
they can actually touch us. I have another experience where
I was touched by spirit. I was home alone doing
the dishes and I was going through a help issue
at the time. I suddenly felt a strong path right
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on the top of my head, and at first I
thought a drop of water and I felt my head.
Now it wasn't wet. I knew because I was going
through a help issue, that someone from the other side
had done that. I glanced around the room and I
was like, Okay, what do you want me to know?
Who's here? And I just kind of looked around, and
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eventually I turned around and kept doing the dishes. It
was a mystery as to what that was. Later I
found out that an old boyfriend of mine had died.
The minute I found out he had passed, I flashed
back to that moment and I knew there was no way,
no doubt that was him, because he wasn't the nicest guy.
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And he used to tap me on the head exactly
like that when I would say the word like the
way a valley girl uses it, like I went to
the store, and then like I went to the mall.
So when I would say that, he would tap me
on the head, and I knew it was him, and
I don't know what other way he could have let
me known it was him. So that was in twenty
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eighteen when that happened. He died in twenty thirteen. That
was five years after his death. I've gotten signs from
Brian over the last thirty three years. But I think
sometimes people think if it's been more than a year
or more than a certain amount of time, that our
loved ones move on and they're not giving us signs anymore.
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But that's not true. My brother has shown me that,
and that ex boyfriend showed me that, and his taps
were so distinct. I don't know why I didn't think, wait,
did he die when I felt that he was young
and healthy, so I figured he was off living his
life somewhere, and it turned out that he had committed suicide,
so that's why he died early.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's all so tough, tough being human, very tough being human.
I have so much compassion for people, and I know
you know this because you've been part of my world
for a long time listening to me. But when my
dad died and I lost the relationships with my siblings,
I hit such a dark place and I wasn't considering
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taking my own life, but I totally got how there
is a place that we human beings.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Can get to such a dark place that seems like
the only way out.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
We'll be right back with more. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(38:27):
I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with author Karen McLain,
who wrote the book Right Days Do Come. She was
just sharing a tap on her head that was a
sign she found out from a boyfriend. She didn't realize
he passed. Let's continue.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It turned out that he had committed suicide, so that's
why he died early. It's all so tough, tough being human,
very tough being human. I have so much compassion for people,
and I know you know this because you've been part
of my world for a long time listening to me.
But when my dad died and I lost the relationships
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with my siblings, I hit such a dark place and
I wasn't considering taking my own life, but I totally
got how there is a place that we human beings
can get to, such a dark place that seems like
the only way out.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
So I know, I know in the afterlife, people are
accepted with open arms. There's no punishment, no judgment, no nothing.
There's just that love, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
And I feel like when we're just going along in
life and that loved one cross our minds, I feel
like that's just us tuning into their presence, that's them
showing us there near. I actually have another boyfriend who
passed away. He had really bad help but I didn't
know that he had passed away, but I had a
dream of him. The night he passed. My family and
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I were on a trip to Dowsnengland, and we went
to bed that night the next morning ready for the parks,
but I couldn't shake the dream I had just pad.
I had a dream that I was standing in vast whiteness.
There was no ceiling, no walls, no floor. It was
just like I was floating in the middle of pure whiteness.
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My ex boyfriend was to my right and he was
with a woman with dark hair, and I sensed that
they were getting ready to leave. I asked, how do
you to know each other? And the woman said, oh,
from here and from there playfully, and I was like okay.
And then my son was next to me. In this
dream I call a dream, but it's really a visitation.
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As I was patting my son on his shoulder. My
ex boyfriend said, you're a good mom, which was very
pertinent because he was adamant about not having children, and
when we were dating, I didn't want children either, but
he was recognizing that I was a mom, so I
found that really important to the experience. When I woke up,
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I was just puzzled as to why I had had
this dream because we had broken up seventeen years earlier,
I'm married, I have my kids. Now, why would I
have a dream about an ex boyfriend and why would
it be in the white place like this? And normally
I probably would have thought did he die? But we
were in Disneyland. I was out of my element, so
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we just spent along with the day. But I felt
this strong presence of him all day, and at the
time I just thought it was just because I had
a dream of him, that I had this feeling of
him because of the dream. But later that night, as
I was leaving Disneyland, my watch buzzed and it was
a mutual friend who said, I don't know if you've heard,
(41:44):
but he passed the way last night. I was shocked.
And when a loved one passes right around the time
of their death, that's actually called a shared death experience.
So then I knew that's what had happened. And then
years later, I took my son to get a haircut
at the barber shop. I was waiting for my son
(42:07):
and a song came on the radio in the salon.
It was his favorite musician. It was iggy pop. The
song was like, not really a family friendly song, so
I was like, oh, wow, that's playing in here, and
I thought, this really makes me think of him. But
it wasn't a special day or anything, and every time
(42:28):
I hear a song, I don't want to think, oh,
that's a sign. So I just thought, that really reminds
me of him. But I wouldn't necessarily called the sign
until the next barber came up and yelled out my
ex boyfriend's name for their next client, and I thought, Okay,
that's a sign. That's a sign.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
That's incredible. So it's gonna be sure to ask you
about your book and what's in it. So it's called
Bright Days Do Come, a Journey of Lost light and
Signs from beyond, so I know you tell your story.
There's lots of signs, even more signs, but to talk
us through the book, what we can find in it.
(43:08):
And then let's spend a few minutes just talking about
some of your beliefs before we wrap up the episode.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Okay. In my book, I talk about the journey of
the accident. I talk about how I dealt with grief
to not my pain. I did drink alcohol for a while.
Eventually I learned to love myself and to feel all
of my feelings. I think feeling all of your feelings
(43:36):
is what really helps with grief, to not shut it down.
My mom describes grief as tears filling up in a cup,
and when the cup gets full, it overflows, and you
want to let that overflow. You don't want to drink
alcohol to numb it or just push it down. You
want to let those tears flow, but you also don't
(43:58):
want to let them overrun your life. Our loved ones
want to see us happy and living our lives. They
don't want us just wallowing in grief. So I touch
on grief. I describe the accident, and I share all
these incredible signs and what I've come to learn. I've
really learned that life is so precious. It can change
(44:20):
in the blink of an eye. So it's really important
to cherish every moment and everything we do. Treat it
as if it's the last time we're doing it, because
one day it will be that. We don't always know
that it's the last time while we're experiencing it. You
know that last time I rode with my brother in
the car, I didn't know that was the last time
(44:41):
we were going to laugh together or look at magazines together.
And I talk about that and that how every situation
in life, even the tragedies, no matter what we go
through in life, if you look hard enough, you can
find the gifts that are hidden in those tragedies. There's
always something positive you can take from it, even if
(45:03):
it's just a lesson learned. I've learned too not to
regret things, because everything that we do is experience, and
the only things I've come to find that we should
regret are the things that we didn't do. I like
to wake up each morning and think what would I
regret if I didn't do today, and then try to
(45:25):
go out and do those things.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's really nice. Yeah, you mentioned too, something I've never
heard of before, law of conservation of energy.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
What the heck is that? Yeah? So it's a law
that says nothing can be created nor destroyed. Therefore, I
look at our existence as the infinity symbol. There's not
a point where it began or where it ends. Because
I knew that I existed before I was born, because
(45:57):
I saw my mom and I always exist after we left.
Because I've had experiences with my brother, that law of
conservation of energy totally makes sense to me that we
don't die. I pitt your life as like an Earth school.
It's like a boarding school. When the bell rings for us,
we graduate and we're all going to go there. And
(46:19):
one thing that helps me is to remember that death
isn't an anomaly. It happens to all of us. And
I know it's shocking when someone dies, but it's going
to happen to us all, and we're all going to
still exist. We're all going to still be together, and
it's all going to be okay. We're just here temporarily.
(46:39):
Those that have gone before us just went sooner than
we did, but we'll be joining them. This is my book.
It's called Bright Days Do Come. It's very symbolic to me.
The house I grew up in with my family, we
had sycamore trees in our front yard, and interestingly the
year of the accident. Our accident happened in the fall,
(47:02):
so all the leaves on it were yellow and they
didn't fall off the tree that year. It's like they
were waiting for my brother to come play underneath the
trees badly. He never did, but the leaf kind of
represents that, and the heart represents the hearts that my
sister found from Terry and the sand. It really is
(47:23):
a symbolic cover for me that really resonates. It's my
whole story. Thank you so much, right and I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I know people listening right now can't see it, but
you can just go to Amazon and type in bright
Days do come or Karen McClain in our last moments
together here? Is there anything I should have asked you
that I didn't? But is there any last words that
you have or anything else you want to cover before
we go on our separate ways.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I would just say that I would like people just
to remember that your loved ones are close, they hear you.
Remember to be open. Being open and being aware and
asking are the main us to getting signs from your
loved ones. And to just have gratitude the things that
happened to us look for the blessings and shift your
(48:15):
perspective too. For years, I thought, oh, I only had
my brother for nine years, and now I look at
it and say, I got to have my brother for
nine years. So shifting your perspective, looking at the good
times and the full or glass half empty, looking at
life and the things that happened to us in that
(48:36):
way can really help. And knowing that there's a lot
of storms throughout our lives, but just remembering that bright
days do come. Life's not static. It's not the same.
The positive times come and the dark times come, but
they'll always be a bright day to come. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Karen, thank you so much for being our guest today.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I'm so
thrilled to be here. Thank you, Sam, I'm you're my favorite.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I think you'll agree that Karen did a very good
job on her first interview. You can find out more
about Karen on her website, author karenmcclain dot com, and
Karen is spelt kar I n Just recently, I was
thinking how intelligent the universe is, how animals have instinct,
(49:28):
how our bodies know how to heal on their own.
Add to that the stories we hear from near death
experiences that our consciousness is outside of our body, so
we don't experience the pain of death. Also, add to
that the deathbed visitations, the thousands of people documented that
(49:50):
see loved ones or pets by their side. So it's
an intelligent universe. Why wouldn't we believe in the afterlife.
All we are is vibrating invisible energy living in an
ever expanding universe. So with that, our time.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
For today is over.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Please remember to come visit me Atweedo'tdie dot com. Enter
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Get a free copy of my book and a great
list of Shades of the Afterlife episodes. Join us on
a free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration, take a class,
and so much more. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for
(50:30):
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Coast to Coast am Heirinormal podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
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