June 7, 2025 • 10 mins
George Noory and author Graham Nicholls discuss his techniques for inducing out of body experiences, if an out of body experience is like dying with the soul leaving the physical body, and George recounts his own out of body experience as a child.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you on a Friday night. Graham Nichols with us. An
English author as well as a lecturer and advisory board
member of the Rhine Research Center. He's a leading practitioner
and researcher into out of body experiences. He hit his
first OBE back in nineteen eighty seven, and they said
(00:24):
he's had some of the most acclaimed verified experiences on record.
His book is called Navigating the Out of Body Experience. Graham,
welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's good to be here, Thank you, Good to.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Have you with us. How did you get involved in OBEs?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well, they started for me spontaneously. I had a few
initial ones in nineteen eighty seven, as you mentioned, and
then from there I really became fascinated by the topic
and really wanted to learn how to do it for myself.
So I spent the next six months intensely working on it,
(01:04):
found a book on the subject, and spent every single night.
I was very obsessed for a teenager, but I really
really just wanted to learn how to do it, so
I tried these techniques every single night, and then eventually,
after six months, I had this intense kind of vault
of energy went through my body and I found myself
(01:26):
about six feet above my physical body looking back at myself.
Quite classic in that particular experience, there was a kind
of bluish energy to everything, bluish green energy. Yeah, it
only lasted a minute or so back then, but it
was enough to kind of the floodgates opened, and I
(01:48):
really wanted to learn everything I could then and have
been working with it ever since.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Really years ago, I did a lot of research into
obs on the work of Robert Monroe, Yeah crook all,
he would, Carrington, Sylvan Muldoon, some of the best people
in the world. I've never been able to perfect at Graham.
I had one obe when I was eleven years old.
I was in bed, stayed home from school, which was
(02:15):
a rarity for me, and I woke up and I'm
bouncing on the ceiling looking down at my body. I
woke up in my astral body, and at that moment,
it scared the heck out of me, and it ran
me back into my body, and you know, I had
that jarring effect, and then I was obsessed though, with
what had happened to me. I ended up going to
(02:36):
the library and found some of these books, and I
was obsessed with it. True, it's a remarkable thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You know, it transforms your life. It really is an
incredible thing, and just one experience can have that kind
of impact. So yeah, if you do learn to do
it more consistently, it is really really powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Most of the people listening to you tonight, Graham, know
what or out of body experiences. But for the benefit
of those who do not tell them, what is it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would say, in my opinion, I tend to take
quite a scientific approach to things, So I would say
that I tend to see it as an extension of consciousness,
like you're shifting your consciousness away from the physical body,
not necessarily an astral body, although it could be. I
tend to keep an open mind about whether it's an
(03:30):
astral body or whether we're dealing with some kind of
larger consciousness or extended consciousness something like that. So I
tend to see it as the ability to shift our awareness,
our conscious awareness of ourselves, out of ourselves, like we're
almost like a living spirit. We can look around, move around,
(03:52):
travel over distances, go to different locations, those kinds of things.
So it's really an experience of existing as yourself fully
as yourself. It feels very much like you do in
your physical body, but you're just at another location and
able to move through things. You are invisible essentially most
(04:15):
of the time to other people, that kind of thing.
So yeah, it's a it's an experience of being like
a living spirit, is what I would say.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Can you do all be ease at will?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The at will question is always kind of interesting to
me because I try not to use that term because
I think it's help It can be unhelpful to people
trying to learn if they believe that it's as simple
as kind of flipping a switch. As you mentioned, you know,
in your own experience, you had an insue experience and
(04:49):
then you tried to sort of learn, and it was
much more difficult to do it in an intentional way.
So what I tend to say to people who are
learning and when I'm teaching this kind of thing is
that if the conditions are right, if you can, if
you can create a conducive scenario for the experience to unfold,
then then yes, I can do it consistently as long
(05:12):
as I have the right conditions, like being able to
relax fully or go into a light form of trance
state that kind of thing. So as long as I
can go through that process, then I can go into
the experience. But these days, I also tend to do
it when I feel most attuned that I can kind
(05:33):
of tell when it's the right time to work with
the experience. So I tend to look for those times
when it's absolutely the right time, because that tends to
be when I have the best. Most powerful and transformative experiences.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Are rut of body experiences like dying.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think they are distinct. As I'm sure you know,
out of body experiences can be an aspect of neo
death experience, and many people have reported similar type phenomena,
But I think I think I would say that there
tends to be distinctions between the two things, between a
neo death experience and an out of body experience. So
(06:16):
I think an outbody experience tends to be different. It
doesn't tend to have things like the tunnel of light,
and it doesn't seem to be so much about crossing over.
It is much more about being in this reality or
possibly in an alternate reality, but not one associated with
(06:37):
an afterlife usually in the majority of cases. So I
would say it's different, and definitely if you do get
beyond any kind of fears that you might have, I
think then it can be a really beautiful and powerful experience.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Graham.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
When people are in the out of body experience, what
do you call that out of body? What is your
a name for it?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I guess I would just call it the out of
body state or beyond the body, or just something like that.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's an it's not the soure.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
No. I tend to look at it as like I mentioned,
as your sort of consciousness that you can you can
connect your consciousness to a bigger system of consciousness if
you like. That tends to be how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tell us what you think the benefit of being in
the obe state would be?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, I think there's huge benefits to it, because if
you think about it, what what is the what are
the big questions of life? Like who are we? Why
are we?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Here?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Is their life after death? These kinds of questions? And
I think the out of body experience can answer that
in a way, or at least get to those questions
in a way that very little else can, because you
can have direct experience. If it is your soul or
if it is a spirit or something of that nature,
you are having direct experience of it. You're not reading
(08:07):
about it, you're not getting someone else's interpretation of it,
You're having your own direct experience of being in that situation,
in that state. I think it can be very life affirming,
it can be healing. I've encountered many scenarios of the
energy that's associated without a body experiences. I think is
(08:30):
quite similar to the energies people refer to when they
talk about reiki and different energy healing modalities and things
like that. So I think it can be a very
healing experience as well. And I think it can also
help to answer questions about what is really going on
in the world. Everybody's sort of curious about what really
(08:52):
is going on, and I think in a similar way
to remote viewing or something like that, it can allow
you to explore those questions directly. So yeah, I think
it's got a vast potential really well.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
With Graham Nichols, this book is called Navigating the Out
of Body Experience. That's exactly what we're talking about, and
his website is linked up at coast tocoastam dot com.
Truly remarkable. People who are in the Obe state can
see just about anything. Have you seen the chord that's
supposed to connect the out of body with the physical body?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I haven't. Actually, in my own research and a lot
of the research that's available, a late researcher called Carlos
Alvaredo did a lot of studies and research to see
how common the silver cord is in descriptions, and actually
it's very a very small amount of people now. It
(09:51):
seems like in the past it was more commonly reported,
maybe because people were more aware of it, but it
seems as time has gone on, cord is less and
less reported. So in my personal experience, I haven't seen it,
and a lot of my students only report it, maybe
like in less than one percent, I would say, And
(10:14):
as I mentioned in the research, it seems to be
between that the highest incident seems to be about ten percent,
but it tends to be reported more in the range
of one to four percent of people. So yeah, it's
not as common as people tend to think.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you on a Friday night. Graham Nichols with us. An
English author as well as a lecturer and advisory board
member of the Rhine Research Center. He's a leading practitioner
and researcher into out of body experiences. He hit his
first OBE back in nineteen eighty seven, and they said
(00:24):
he's had some of the most acclaimed verified experiences on record.
His book is called Navigating the Out of Body Experience. Graham,
welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's good to be here, Thank you, Good to.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Have you with us. How did you get involved in OBEs?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well, they started for me spontaneously. I had a few
initial ones in nineteen eighty seven, as you mentioned, and
then from there I really became fascinated by the topic
and really wanted to learn how to do it for myself.
So I spent the next six months intensely working on it,
(01:04):
found a book on the subject, and spent every single night.
I was very obsessed for a teenager, but I really
really just wanted to learn how to do it, so
I tried these techniques every single night, and then eventually,
after six months, I had this intense kind of vault
of energy went through my body and I found myself
(01:26):
about six feet above my physical body looking back at myself.
Quite classic in that particular experience, there was a kind
of bluish energy to everything, bluish green energy. Yeah, it
only lasted a minute or so back then, but it
was enough to kind of the floodgates opened, and I
(01:48):
really wanted to learn everything I could then and have
been working with it ever since.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Really years ago, I did a lot of research into
obs on the work of Robert Monroe, Yeah crook all,
he would, Carrington, Sylvan Muldoon, some of the best people
in the world. I've never been able to perfect at Graham.
I had one obe when I was eleven years old.
I was in bed, stayed home from school, which was
(02:15):
a rarity for me, and I woke up and I'm
bouncing on the ceiling looking down at my body. I
woke up in my astral body, and at that moment,
it scared the heck out of me, and it ran
me back into my body, and you know, I had
that jarring effect, and then I was obsessed though, with
what had happened to me. I ended up going to
(02:36):
the library and found some of these books, and I
was obsessed with it. True, it's a remarkable thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You know, it transforms your life. It really is an
incredible thing, and just one experience can have that kind
of impact. So yeah, if you do learn to do
it more consistently, it is really really powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Most of the people listening to you tonight, Graham, know
what or out of body experiences. But for the benefit
of those who do not tell them, what is it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would say, in my opinion, I tend to take
quite a scientific approach to things, So I would say
that I tend to see it as an extension of consciousness,
like you're shifting your consciousness away from the physical body,
not necessarily an astral body, although it could be. I
tend to keep an open mind about whether it's an
(03:30):
astral body or whether we're dealing with some kind of
larger consciousness or extended consciousness something like that. So I
tend to see it as the ability to shift our awareness,
our conscious awareness of ourselves, out of ourselves, like we're
almost like a living spirit. We can look around, move around,
(03:52):
travel over distances, go to different locations, those kinds of things.
So it's really an experience of existing as yourself fully
as yourself. It feels very much like you do in
your physical body, but you're just at another location and
able to move through things. You are invisible essentially most
(04:15):
of the time to other people, that kind of thing.
So yeah, it's a it's an experience of being like
a living spirit, is what I would say.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Can you do all be ease at will?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The at will question is always kind of interesting to
me because I try not to use that term because
I think it's help It can be unhelpful to people
trying to learn if they believe that it's as simple
as kind of flipping a switch. As you mentioned, you know,
in your own experience, you had an insue experience and
(04:49):
then you tried to sort of learn, and it was
much more difficult to do it in an intentional way.
So what I tend to say to people who are
learning and when I'm teaching this kind of thing is
that if the conditions are right, if you can, if
you can create a conducive scenario for the experience to unfold,
then then yes, I can do it consistently as long
(05:12):
as I have the right conditions, like being able to
relax fully or go into a light form of trance
state that kind of thing. So as long as I
can go through that process, then I can go into
the experience. But these days, I also tend to do
it when I feel most attuned that I can kind
(05:33):
of tell when it's the right time to work with
the experience. So I tend to look for those times
when it's absolutely the right time, because that tends to
be when I have the best. Most powerful and transformative experiences.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Are rut of body experiences like dying.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think they are distinct. As I'm sure you know,
out of body experiences can be an aspect of neo
death experience, and many people have reported similar type phenomena,
But I think I think I would say that there
tends to be distinctions between the two things, between a
neo death experience and an out of body experience. So
(06:16):
I think an outbody experience tends to be different. It
doesn't tend to have things like the tunnel of light,
and it doesn't seem to be so much about crossing over.
It is much more about being in this reality or
possibly in an alternate reality, but not one associated with
(06:37):
an afterlife usually in the majority of cases. So I
would say it's different, and definitely if you do get
beyond any kind of fears that you might have, I
think then it can be a really beautiful and powerful experience.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Graham.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
When people are in the out of body experience, what
do you call that out of body? What is your
a name for it?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I guess I would just call it the out of
body state or beyond the body, or just something like that.
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's an it's not the soure.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
No. I tend to look at it as like I mentioned,
as your sort of consciousness that you can you can
connect your consciousness to a bigger system of consciousness if
you like. That tends to be how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tell us what you think the benefit of being in
the obe state would be?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, I think there's huge benefits to it, because if
you think about it, what what is the what are
the big questions of life? Like who are we? Why
are we?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Here?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Is their life after death? These kinds of questions? And
I think the out of body experience can answer that
in a way, or at least get to those questions
in a way that very little else can, because you
can have direct experience. If it is your soul or
if it is a spirit or something of that nature,
you are having direct experience of it. You're not reading
(08:07):
about it, you're not getting someone else's interpretation of it,
You're having your own direct experience of being in that situation,
in that state. I think it can be very life affirming,
it can be healing. I've encountered many scenarios of the
energy that's associated without a body experiences. I think is
(08:30):
quite similar to the energies people refer to when they
talk about reiki and different energy healing modalities and things
like that. So I think it can be a very
healing experience as well. And I think it can also
help to answer questions about what is really going on
in the world. Everybody's sort of curious about what really
(08:52):
is going on, and I think in a similar way
to remote viewing or something like that, it can allow
you to explore those questions directly. So yeah, I think
it's got a vast potential really well.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
With Graham Nichols, this book is called Navigating the Out
of Body Experience. That's exactly what we're talking about, and
his website is linked up at coast tocoastam dot com.
Truly remarkable. People who are in the Obe state can
see just about anything. Have you seen the chord that's
supposed to connect the out of body with the physical body?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I haven't. Actually, in my own research and a lot
of the research that's available, a late researcher called Carlos
Alvaredo did a lot of studies and research to see
how common the silver cord is in descriptions, and actually
it's very a very small amount of people now. It
(09:51):
seems like in the past it was more commonly reported,
maybe because people were more aware of it, but it
seems as time has gone on, cord is less and
less reported. So in my personal experience, I haven't seen it,
and a lot of my students only report it, maybe
like in less than one percent, I would say, And
(10:14):
as I mentioned in the research, it seems to be
between that the highest incident seems to be about ten percent,
but it tends to be reported more in the range
of one to four percent of people. So yeah, it's
not as common as people tend to think.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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