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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today's show
is going to be a tad different as we recorded
our show live in front of an audience at the
twenty twenty five Contact in the Desert UFO conference. We
will be recamping all the latest UFO news and highlights
from the Contact in the Desert show. My guest is
the producer of Beyond Contact as well as the producer
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of Contact in the Desert, Brianna Matz. Here. We are
late Monday during Contact in the Desert in front of
a live audience. Okay, welcome to Beyond Contact. I am
Captain Ron. We are actually doing a different show today.
We are live at Contact in the Desert for our
episode of Beyond Contact. We are going to bring on
our very own producer, Brianna mats is going to be here. Hi,
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Ray Hi. So we are live at Contact the Desert.
We've never done this before. We started this show Beyond
Contact one week before Contact in the Desert last year.
So we've got fifty three shows under our belt and
this is the first time we're recording live and the
second time bri has been our guest. What do you
think of Contact so far, Brie, let's talk about the show.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, it's been a great year.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Actually, I think the number one thing for us is
in production was that it's just been very easy, and
that's been really difficult.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
This is our third year of running Contact in the Desert.
In the first two years were kind of challenging because
it was a brand new endeavor for us, and as
you get used to things and you kind of get
your sea legs under you, we all kind of feel
behind the scenes that the first two years were sort
of a learning curve for us as we learned how
to do this, how to put on a production like this,
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And now we have it underneath us, so now we
can kind of know that everything's going to run smoothly
and we can kind of put fund spins on things
and do extra things and make contact bigger and better.
Contact is one of those rare things that means a
lot to people. As we walk around the floor, people
are constantly stopping us and saying, this was a great weekend.
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This means a lot to me. I've learned a lot,
I got a lot out of it. That's very rewarding
and fulfilling to hear and means a lot to us
and keeps us going well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Especially.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I think the one thing I've heard is not just
that they care about contact, but that's so far it's
been their favorite contact.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, yes, we have people that have been to every
single contact, even we haven't been to every single contact,
and to quote Michelle Anderson, I've been to everyone and
this is definitely the best one. Each year at Contact
in the Desert, there's sort of a different vibe, a
different feel. Something will happen one year, something will happen
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another year, and they all have a different feel. This
year's feeling is cohesiveness. Everybody keeps coming up saying cohesiveness,
which is an odd thing to me, but it just
feels like everybody knows each other here. We have two
thousand people plus here this year, and it feels like
everybody talks to everybody. There's not like these little groups
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or subdivisions. Everybody's just sort of part of this thing
this year, which is a new level for us, and
we want it to be that way. You know, Contact
is kind of a community thing. We've been thinking of
ourselves this year as almost the banquet for this community
because all the speakers come here, a lot of podcasters
come here, filmmakers, people that are in our community, and
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this is kind of where we regroup about what happened
in the last year. Well, where's a you know, where's
the UAP movement heading, what's going to happen in Congress,
what's going to happen with disclosure, what's going to happen
with new witnesses coming forward. We keep hearing behind the
scenes that other guys are ready willing and able to testify.
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We got Danny Sheehan and Congress trying to get legislation
passed to give them whistleblower protections so that they can
come forward without violating any of their NBA agreements. It's
just sort of that kind of a feel here, right.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I would say.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
So, it's not just I think with the disclosure issue,
it's also different aspects under the entire umbrella of what
contact is. It's maybe like an alternative archaeology or different
studies of consciousness, and it all kind of comes together.
So for me, I like to focus on that side
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a little bit more. The psionics just in general, has
been I think a hot word, and we know what's
been around for a while. It's basically just parapsychology, but
now it's being looked at in a more scientific way,
and I think just even changing a word, kind of
like going from UFO to UAP exactly give some people
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permission to take a more serious look into it. And
I think that's been a pivotal growth in the community
and making that more a part of what UFO contact
with other beings is.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There's so many different modalities that have discussed here at
Contact with sixty two different speakers, and many of them
have different viewpoints on different things. People talking about the Pyramids,
new discoveries under the Pyramids. You know, a lot of
it does tie into the UFO topic, of course, but
there's diversions from that, even the psionics. You're talking about.
A big thing in the folklore of contact with extraterrustrial
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beings is telepathic communication. And then boom, we have a
scientist here who's talking about humans who seem to exhibit
some sort of telepathic communication, with autistic savant children being
able to communicate with their mother because they're nonverbal and
they have a hard time communicating, and yet there seems
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to be some kind of connection there.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Yeah, I think it just shows that that might be
the source of everything.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
It's a study of consciousness.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
It seems like, you know, it used to be very
nuts and bolts, and now it's kind of a realization
that consciousness is connecting all of these things together, and
that's really exciting for me. That's something I think I
would love to focus on and bring more of that
to contact.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That'll definitely be an element next year. I think twenty
years from now. This whole thing could open up, you know,
which happens over years. You know, thirty two years ago,
mainstream science said that there are no exo planets anywhere
in the universe. That was the top people in the
world saying that. Then they found one, then they found two,
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than eight. Now they think there's two trillion. So these
things change. This psionics thing could open doors. We may
make new discoveries and then suddenly we have this new ability.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Is it a new ability or is it something we
just never paid attention?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well, Doctor Diana Paul was saying that anthropologists think it's
possible one hundred thousand years ago that humanity Homo sapien,
had some sort of telepathic abilities, but as they developed vocalization,
they didn't use it because they didn't need it. So
that's an interesting thing to think about. It's fun to
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speculate on these things because you know, you find out
where we came from and where we're going. And I'd
love to see her keep doing more discoveries and more
research to that.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I love that that's actually, uh, that makes sense, you know,
even to think of where language comes like came from
that evolition of consciousness, And it would be interesting if
by learning how to verbally communicate with each other that
we sort of lost the knowledge and the knowing that
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we have that ability.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And so imagine if we knew that we could.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Have Yes, think about all the men of the audiences
who are thinking right now, man, if we had nonverbal
communication with the wife instead of verbal, how great that
would be. I mean, that would really lighten things up
for most of us.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, I hope my husband and the audience.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Half the people think that's funny. The other half are
glaring at me right now with Oh, that's a gesture
that I just saw from the audience. Yes, I know
what that finger is for. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Everyone's sleeping now, everyone's leave. Nice.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
When we come back, we're going to talk more about
Contact in the Desert as we do our show live
in front of an audience. At Contact in the Desert
twenty twenty five. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and today
I'm with producer Brie and we're going to pick up
right where we left off from the live show at
Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five. So there's other
things that have happened here at Contact in the Desert.
We started off Thursday was pretty much our biggest Thursday ever.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I mean I've been coming into Contact for a long time.
It's usually check in, you walk in, you know, you
chuckle around. This year was a line, I mean wrapped around.
People were just waiting. The second those doors opened. It
was like floods. I've never seen anything like that before,
and it was an instant knowing that this was going
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to be a great year and that more people are
getting involved. More people, I think, are not afraid to
come to things like this because I know it does take.
There's this idea that maybe they're a bunch of weirdos,
and now people are comfortable knowing that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
We're here too.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Bri Oh, for sure they are.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
But I do think just the fact that this stuff
is out in mainstream world. You see ut hearings in Congress,
you see some of these stories on TV being covered,
there is We've noticed a segment of attendees who are
just curious about this and they're like, you know, I
saw this, I'm not really sure what's going on. In
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one weekend, one trip to contact in the desert, you
can really gain a good knowledge of what's happening in
and around the community.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well that and I think make friends.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I mean, even the first time I ever went, there's
those moments in between presentations or after presentations where people
just kind of gather and meet each other.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Where are you from? Where are you from?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
And it tends to be that those people do form
that relationship and then come back every year and it's
like your reunion with your people that maybe you don't
live together, but you had such a great time you
come here. You're into the same things, And that to
me is really special because it's not just contact as
in with extraterrestrials, but I think contact is contact between
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each other, between each other and with speakers.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
People love the opportunity here that they can interact with
our speakers. You get a chance to meet some of
these guys, ask them direct questions yourself, which is always
very special. That is a huge part of this.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah, I think that's actually the best part because, as
you know, being a speaker, being an author, there is
that line of where you have to be kind of
safe with some things, right. You don't want to say
the wrong thing. You don't want to make enemies, you know.
And I think it's cool when you can see them
in person, pull them aside and say what did you
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really think about this?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yes, at one am in the lobby bar area, the
answer tends to be a little different than it was
at twelve noon on the stage. I mean, that's just
going to be honest.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah, well what did you think about this? Well? Actually yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And so that's cool because you have that insight without
having what about them feeling the pressure and they it's
like they feel like they can talk to you because.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And it's a very trusting space and everybody feels that.
Like you said, people get to know each other. I
saw people that saw each other they probably haven't seen
each other since contact last year, and then they're like, oh, hey,
you guys, what's going on in your world now? You
know a lot of people do.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Someone goodbye today, And I said, it's our annual reunion
till next year, you know, And it's like bittersweet, but
I know we'll be back next year.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
We'll get to see each other, and it's just something
to look.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Forward to absolutely, and I think expanding on the direction
we're heading now is really working. People have been very
positive this year about the direction of the show, the
way the speakers worked. Everything just kind of went off
with a hitch because now the speakers, many of them
kind of know the routine too, so that worked out well.
How great we had Ross Colehart here, that.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Was awesome all the way from Australia.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Is that how you say it's giant, and that's how
you say it it's giant. So Ross, you know, is
responsible for breaking a lot of big stories in this community.
He seems very well connected with insiders, and you know
he had mentioned publicly on stage that there's a lot
of people ready, willing, possibly able to come forward with
their story of working directly on these projects. On UAPs,
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we had Jake Barber of course got released from him,
who's a first hand witness who claims to have driven
the helicopter that lifted the craft and took it to
a hangar. That's a big deal to bring somebody forward
who has first hand knowledge of this.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
According to Hen Trow, the eight Basket, if.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It's real, it's pretty amazing for sure.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I mean I would love to have him here too,
but just to have Ross.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I think he's very respected journalist and that feels special
in itself, that he really is the real deal and
he now knows what it's like to fight for something
like this and to have so much pushback all the time,
and people trying to ruin your reputation, and the fact
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that he's still willing to be on the front and
really stand up for what he believes and that should
be known to everybody. To me, I just feel like
he really is a gem of a human Also, just
knowing him.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
He's fantastic and you could see he spoke about it
a lot openly on stage how frustrated he is that
he says like, from his Australian perspective, he doesn't understand
why people in Congress number one and people in the
media number two don't press people on these questions. He says,
from his journalistic background, it's you ask people, hey, what's
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the evidence here, what do you have? Tell us this?
And nobody seems to pursue that he's out there doing
which is great. Another investigative journalist we had was George
Knapp was here with George Nori and they did a
Open Lines live version of Coast to Coast am which
is really fun. And they did a similar thing last
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year when we did the first time George and George
were together, and then this year they did Open Lines
Live which is a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, I don't know if we'll have another one, you know,
And so it was felt like a trait to be
able to do it again, and it just it feels
special when they're together. I know that doesn't happen and
we're lucky that. I think we're grateful that we're able
to bring the both of them together.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
To have I mean talk about legends and broadcasting. Both
of these gentlemen have been doing it for so long
and are so well received. It's just an honor to
have those guys around, you.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Know, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
We also the big other feature they had at Contact
this year, we had Josh Gates from the Discovery Channel
Expedition Unknown. That guy's been all over the world looking
at a wide variety of these topics, from the Pyramids
to the Holy Grail, to UFOs and aliens. He has
done four to six different shows on Expedition Unknown on
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those topics, and he has a very healthy bit of
you know, he's open to it, which is interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
It's not just TV, it's really that he is interested
and he breaches the mainstream and he's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I didn't know he was that funny.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Not Captain Ron hilarious, but hilarious funny, I'd say funny.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, he's really good on stage too, and I think
that's uh, he has that stage quality, that presence. And
we're so lucky because he was very sick and we
didn't know if he was going to make it literal,
Like days before here on site, it was like every
moment is it going to happen?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Is he going to get all that private information that
you're sharing or now yeah, you told everybody he was Yeah,
he was sick, and thank god. I mean it's just
like one of those things that feels just contact. That's
special that and he was great. He was able to
even meet do the meet and great and interact with people,
which is nice.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Did and they were able to get some pictures. He
did some monographs, so that was really cool to bring him.
You know, you talked about how you know, he's a
word that your mom would recognize.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Right right, He's a household name at this point to
a lot of people because that show has been running
for I think twelve or thirteen years, and they have
a new season coming on this year, so that's still
going strong, which is nice to see. We had a
lot of Ancient Aliens people as well. This year. William
Henry was back, Nick Pope was back, a lot of
people from that show, which is also still going, which
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is like, what twenty first year or something, nineteenth year
is I.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Feel like it's been ninety seasons. I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
The other day and I was like, wow, they must
have started in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It's still going.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I think it's nineteen actually, which is a lot, which.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is more than that.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Really, Yeah, it's incredible. We need to take a quick
break right there. We come back. We're going to pick
it up on the other side with Breed telling us
more fascinating things about contact in the desert, all while juggling.
I know you can't see it because it's audio only,
but she was doing that the entire time. Ask the
audience you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and
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Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We are back
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on Beyond Contact it's Captain Ron and today I am
with the always outrageous Brianna Matt and we're going to
pick up right where we left off at the live
show at Contact in the Desert. So it's always great
to see the insights from those guys directly and that
they've made progress as well. And it's amazing how there's
always new stuff. In the last sixty days. We had
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several people come out. We had a briefing in Congress,
the deathbed confession interview with Jesse Michaels with what's his name,
Harold Malstrom, who's worked with various uh presidential I think
you worked with five presidents as a matter of fact,
So that was an interesting thing. So there's been a
lot of stuff happening this This is not sort of
going away, it's sort of kind of growing. We also
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had a nuclear panel here on Friday with the nuclear
witnesses who are going to testify in June before Congress
and hopefully go into a skiff with members of Congress.
Testified before they testified, they talked about it at their panel,
which was very exciting.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It is we've gone first.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, we got we got it before Congress. So that's
very exciting. It is cool because these are these are
important guys with important information that are willing to come
forward with this, and we hope that it will actually
put pressure on Congress to actually try to get more information.
As you know, I'm very skeptical of that. I think
they're going to keep it buried, but I'm all for
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them pushing it forward. We kicked off this year's event
with Danny Sheehan, whose whose new Paradigm Institute is trying
to get people to put pressure on their local congressman
to get this out. Talk about a nonpartisan issue. Who
doesn't want to find out? Show us, show us what
you got.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, yeah, even if you don't believe in UFOs, the
fact that there is some evidence of something and a
government is hiding that from you enough should make you
want to get involved. Because if it's one thing, it
could be so many other things.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
That's probably why they keep it secret to if that
comes out, what else is real? Think about all the
doors that will open up if we do get some
form of official disclosure from the government.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Absolutely, it's a very it's a tricky fight. Even just
to go back to talking about how long ancient aliens
it's been going, that's been on TV forever, and people
are just now really getting invested.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
It's been a long row.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Everything moves glacially in this community. It's very hard to
persuade people. It's very hard to change academia. That's what
doctor Din Powell, the scientists working on the thought lepathy
is finding. As we've heard from time and time again,
Graham Hancock said how he runs up against academia not
accepting some of his discoveries. They tend to accept them,
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but it moves so slowly that it takes years and
years to get it to change over.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I think we're entering an era where more people are
going to going to the unknown, taking their whatever field
in academia and going into a new field where others
are afraid to go into.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I think slowly that'll happen.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And we have the more people like Avilobe who spoke here,
which was great having Avelobe talk people of his stature,
talking about the realities of this being of extra trustrial
life being probable. It's just a matter of course whether
it's been here, and a lot of the stuff Doctor
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Loebe saying that there's a lot of technologies that are
coming online, like the extra Large Telescope, various other telescopes
around the world, and other technologies which are like AI
driven skywatching cameras. These sorts of things are going to
really open up a realm of possibilities for us to
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make other discoveries. As doctor Loef told me, he's looking
for trash, he's looking for space junk that was an
old probe from another civilization that maybe came from another galaxy,
something that fell off of another air craft of some
kind from another galaxy. And he said that these new
technologies should allow them to find that because they're too
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small for us to see now. But as we get
better technologies, we may actually get to see that, and
that will give us more answers as to what's happening
out there.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I mean, you don't know unless you really look.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
You know, if you're given the tools, you're bound to
find something. And even Auby has gone through, you know,
a lot of struggle in his career and kind of
being the one step being forward. Well, if you want
to be a scientist, don't you want to look at this?
Don't you want to go and find out instead of
saying no.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
That's his quote. He says, we're not being true to
science if we're not being open minded about this thing,
because let's let's if it's not real, let's scientifically investigate
it and find out if that's in fact true.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Right, There's certain people that I feel are kind of
paving the way. They've been brave to be the first
ones to put their careers on the line and take
the hits. And I see more and more people now,
there's more and more scientists that get involved. We have
more PhDs on our program book.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
That's another thing. There's a lot of PhDs here, which
is fun. These are people that are respected in their
communities and they are interested in these topics and they
believe there's possible things that we could discover. And I
love that. That just pushes the envelope further. I want
to know, and I don't want to be got lied
to if our government does. In fact.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
No, I'm with you, I'm very not as optimistic.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I'm definitely not Stephen Bashitt where every day disclosures coming.
I love you, Stephen, but for a while, but it's
keep the fight because I mean, think of Steve. He's
been doing this forever and disclosure so far has common drips,
and now it feels like it's kind of filling up.
And I feel like, just as conference in general, bringing
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all these people here, it's kind of opening that door
for them to get a ball.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I feel like it motivates people and speakers talking to
other speakers almost spurs the next speaker on to Yeah,
you know what, we could get this together. Yeah, you know,
we could do this. You know, and the stuff Deanie's doing,
all that's fantastic. I just I feel if there's a
clandestine group within the military or government, whatever has the
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cabal that has this knowledge. If in fact we have craft,
what would be the impetus to share it? There is
none throughout history. Every war's won by the guy who
has the best technology. So if you have that technology,
why would you release it to the world so that China, Russia,
North Korea, whoever could have it. There's no reason to
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do that. So if in fact we have it, I
think it makes sense that they would want to keep
it close to the best.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
I think humanity would have to go through quite a growth.
I think we'd have to really look at ourselves in
the mirror and heal ourselves as a people before we
could get to that point of releasing something. We're against
each other on one planet and we're seeing each other
as enemies. The fact that there could be crazy technology
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but you don't want China to get it, not realizing
that you're on the same planet.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
We're not too different.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
We don't think in that term yet we're not align.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Yes, I think that also the study and consciousness is
going to help people make those changes.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I also think if there was an extraterrestrial race visiting here,
they wouldn't see those lines or care that China and
Russia and whatever don't align. They don't care if they're
just looking as as one planet, one race.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Well yeah, I mean, I imagine it's like going to
someone's house. Everyone in the family. They're all family. It's
one house, so they're just cruising around. It's one planet.
They're like, you guys all live here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was interesting that on that panel, Tom I think
agreed as well, George Nori and George Knapp and myself
all agreed that we do not see disclosure coming official
government disclosure.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
There is, you know, but.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I feel that we shouldn't be discouraged by that because this,
to me is a part of disclosure.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Contact.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I think it's going to happen by the people. The
people are going to have the disclosure. We already know
that the government hides and lies to us, so why
do we need to hear.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
It from them?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Because the other eighty eight percent of the population don't
feel that way.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
And that's why we do this.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I do think educating the world about these things that
make people's eyes open. Oftentimes I'll share some of these
stories and people will be like, OK, I never heard
that before. Maybe there is something to this. Yes, there
is something to this. I don't know what it is,
but there is something to it that deserves scientific rigor
and we need to put more resource behind it. Avi
Lobs talked about his project, which is the Galileo Project,
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and they're using AI and various new technologies to get
these answers from a scientific standpoint. We'll be right back
with more from our contact in the Desert Live show.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
(29:05):
Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick
things up right where we left off at the live show.
From this year's contact in the desert, you know.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
For me, I remember when the New York Times article
dropped in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I really thought it was going to be nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
But then there were people out there that needed to
hear that. There were people that had zero interest in
this until that moment. That was their permission slip to say,
oh that's interesting. And so as much as I don't
necessarily put so much weight into disclosure as some of
our other favorite people, I do think that it is
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helpful because it's opened up other people's minds that would
normally not even bat and I would think, what do
you do? What's what's your job? Oh my god, are
you serious? You believe in yofos? And then they see
it on the news, Then they hear that the government's
looking into it, and then it's not a joke anymore.
It's no longer a lie laughing what are you doing
for a living. It's more like, oh, yeah, I saw
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you know they released some documents or there was that
video that was released it was declassified. That was crazy.
It is doing something for more people. It is opening
up people's eyes that would normally not look into this
or take it seriously.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's been eight years now. Twenty seventeen was really the
watershed moment with the story that she just mentioned from
New York Times. Then the videos came out from the
Navy that the Pentagon says are authentic, and then sixty
minutes to the piece on it, then David Framer came
out and they interviewed him, and then and then and then,
and so all this stuff came out to the Stars
Academy was formed the same year. All of these things
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happened at that moment, and that really was a watershed
moment for the community. And we're seeing more and more
people like Ross Colhart and Reality Check and these things
getting a wider audience. And I think it's important to
be very skeptical on these topics, but I think it's
important to at least expose the general public to these
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ideas because many people just have no idea about anything
about this, because why would they. It's not out there
in the world that there's like I talk to some
people and tell them what I do and they're like, oh,
I don't even know anything about that.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
You know, that's so hard for me to grasp.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Well, you're immersed in it, you know. People that school
teacher doesn't think about it because it's not in her world,
it's not on her news, it's not anywhere to be seen.
People in the community listen to these podcasts, particularly Beyond
Contact on Coast to Coast i AM and other podcasts,
and they talk about it. If you're not into this topic,
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would you wouldn't have exposure to it.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
That's just wild to me.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
I just think, to me, that feels like you're just
staring at the ground all day long, you know, thinking
about life.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
A big aspect of this, of this conference and our
show is to try to reach to a wider audience
just to show people make up your mind for yourself.
But there is other things out there. I mean, we've
read so much about this stuff. We've talked to so
many of these speakers. I'm highly skeptical about a lot
of these things, but when you really really read the
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vast amount of material, If you look at Richard Dolan's
books that are this thick and all the cases that
he's compiled, it's a preponderance of the evidence. None of
these cases are a smoking gun, but there are thousands
upon thousands. Beyond thousands of cases, there are hundreds of
military officials who have come forward and said that these
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things are real. That becomes very compelling. In fact, the
things that I try to share to people that asked
me often on these interviews or whatever, well, what was
compelling for you? And for me it's things like where
I tell people in the regular world and they don't
even I never heard of such a thing that would
compel me. For example, in Roswell, the Roswell case, there
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was a colonel. There's a couple of these guys who
came forward and left something to be opened upon their death,
and then you open up an affidavit upon their death,
and it says I so and so, colonel, whatever of
sound mind. Want my daughter to know that we are
not alone in the universe. I want my granddaughter to
(33:17):
know that I saw bodies, I saw craft. I mean
the fact that somebody would be compelled to do that.
This guy, Harold nelstrom In on February twenty eighth, wanted
his granddaughter to know that he knows for sure we
have recovered craft, We have recovered bodies. These are not
people joking around. Why would somebody do that? Why would
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There's no benefit, There's not going to gain fame, They're
not going to make any money. They literally, oftentimes cite
my granddaughter. I want my granddaughter to know this. I'm
compelled as hell like that. Why would somebody do that?
Whatever they wrote in there, to me, that must be real.
But it sure is compelling.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
They should have told her earlier.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, they were threatened and they didn't want to. They
were intimidated, and they didn't want to put her at risk.
They didn't want to these things. So upon their death, boom,
Now you can't get me, you can't harm me. So
I find that compelling, and I think it's a very
strong piece of evidence. And I think those types of
things drew me to this. And then, as Richard Dolan says,
the preponderance of evidence that continues to build. And we
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hear people who were in the navy fifty years ago,
and you interview some of the pilots, Ryan Ryan Graves,
for example, he's like, no, we don't see UFOs occasionally
something in the sky we don't know. We see them
every day every time he's in the air. They see
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a craft that shows up on the radar. They don't
know what it is. They say, it's not adversarial it's
not ours and we can't catch it. Now, why would
a guy like that come out and say that? So
I'm compelled by it. I don't know what it is.
I don't know that it's alien. I don't know what
it is, but I feel like Avi Lobe says, let's
put some scientific rigor to it and let's find out. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I mean, it's kind of funny that you that you
say that, because when we talk about what Graves saw,
we all think of it as like one instant. It's
like that date always repeated. It's this one instant. But
for him to say every single day correct hit people.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
And another thing that people, even in our community oftentimes
surprisingly don't seem to know. When we see that TikTok
video Tech Tech TikTok tic tech video that was posted
on TikTok, that video, people often point to that they
think there's one craft. One time. The transcripts, if you
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read from the pilots, it's raining these things. There were
hundreds of these things and SCU has clocked them at
mock fifty, which is unheard of. I don't know what
that is, could easily be our technology, but man, if
we have that kind of technology. Wow, but let's look
(36:06):
at that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
You know that sounds sickening to be inside of that.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's incredible. Yeah, and you know we have AI technology now,
that's unbelievable. I guarantee you there's AI technology that government
or someone else has that's much stronger than they let
us use. Absolutely, so you can only imagine that their
uh craft. You know, oftentimes we hear these quotes from
people that have come forward that worked at these things,
(36:30):
and they said that by the time you see a craft,
like when the stealth bomber was unveiled, by the time
you see that, it's obsolete. They're not going to show you.
Why would they show us the newest, fastest, greatest weapon
we have. They're going to keep that close to the vest.
And that makes sense and they should. So when they
show you the stealth bomber, it's obsolete to our army.
(36:52):
So they're like, hey, look what we have. But that's
literally absolute.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm thinking flying cars.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I was thinking about it talking about UFOs right now.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Chan's just that technology, Like I think about back to
the future. You know, he's like it's a skateboard, but
he's like flying in the air.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
There's all these things where they predicted in the future
that we would be doing.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Certain things, you know, the flying cars, the flying skateboards,
because it seems like that would be a natural progression
then in the eighties, it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Now that's true.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
So I just feel like there was obviously some type
of pump the braaks moment, because why wouldn't have those
things happen?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Well, it's interesting how you go back. How often science
fiction then, you know, eventually becomes real, which I think
you're pointing to. Dick Tracy a little bit before your
time had a watch where he could talk face to
face with somebody and that was like, oh my god, magic,
there's no way. And now every single person in here
could talk to anybody anywhere in the world face to
(37:52):
face and an Apple Watch. Yeah, that'll be face to
face soon too. So these things do become reality.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I think it's probably already something's happened, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Well, we hear people again coming forward with these ideas
that they say that we've had technology way beyond that.
We've heard of the the iPad screens that are completely
clear and you can touch of that these guys claim
to have worked on, and you know, it seems outlandish
to me, but then when I hear six different people
say it, it's like, well, maybe there's something to this.
Why would all six of these guys know about this? Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
For sure, Like I said early, it seemed like it
would be a natural progression for those things to happen,
and so them talking about it and those you know,
certain positions. Of course it has to be true. Just
makes sense to me. Technology, it's always growing, it is.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That's the end of part one of our live show
at Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five. Thank you
very much for listening. Stay tuned for next week we're
going to do part two of this live recorded podcast
from Contact in the Desert. You can find me on
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today's show
is going to be a tad different as we recorded
our show live in front of an audience at the
twenty twenty five Contact in the Desert UFO conference. We
will be recamping all the latest UFO news and highlights
from the Contact in the Desert show. My guest is
the producer of Beyond Contact as well as the producer
(01:28):
of Contact in the Desert, Brianna Matz. Here. We are
late Monday during Contact in the Desert in front of
a live audience. Okay, welcome to Beyond Contact. I am
Captain Ron. We are actually doing a different show today.
We are live at Contact in the Desert for our
episode of Beyond Contact. We are going to bring on
our very own producer, Brianna mats is going to be here. Hi,
(01:52):
Ray Hi. So we are live at Contact the Desert.
We've never done this before. We started this show Beyond
Contact one week before Contact in the Desert last year.
So we've got fifty three shows under our belt and
this is the first time we're recording live and the
second time bri has been our guest. What do you
think of Contact so far, Brie, let's talk about the show.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, it's been a great year.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Actually, I think the number one thing for us is
in production was that it's just been very easy, and
that's been really difficult.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
This is our third year of running Contact in the Desert.
In the first two years were kind of challenging because
it was a brand new endeavor for us, and as
you get used to things and you kind of get
your sea legs under you, we all kind of feel
behind the scenes that the first two years were sort
of a learning curve for us as we learned how
to do this, how to put on a production like this,
(02:44):
And now we have it underneath us, so now we
can kind of know that everything's going to run smoothly
and we can kind of put fund spins on things
and do extra things and make contact bigger and better.
Contact is one of those rare things that means a
lot to people. As we walk around the floor, people
are constantly stopping us and saying, this was a great weekend.
(03:05):
This means a lot to me. I've learned a lot,
I got a lot out of it. That's very rewarding
and fulfilling to hear and means a lot to us
and keeps us going well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Especially.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I think the one thing I've heard is not just
that they care about contact, but that's so far it's
been their favorite contact.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, yes, we have people that have been to every
single contact, even we haven't been to every single contact,
and to quote Michelle Anderson, I've been to everyone and
this is definitely the best one. Each year at Contact
in the Desert, there's sort of a different vibe, a
different feel. Something will happen one year, something will happen
(03:43):
another year, and they all have a different feel. This
year's feeling is cohesiveness. Everybody keeps coming up saying cohesiveness,
which is an odd thing to me, but it just
feels like everybody knows each other here. We have two
thousand people plus here this year, and it feels like
everybody talks to everybody. There's not like these little groups
(04:04):
or subdivisions. Everybody's just sort of part of this thing
this year, which is a new level for us, and
we want it to be that way. You know, Contact
is kind of a community thing. We've been thinking of
ourselves this year as almost the banquet for this community
because all the speakers come here, a lot of podcasters
come here, filmmakers, people that are in our community, and
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this is kind of where we regroup about what happened
in the last year. Well, where's a you know, where's
the UAP movement heading, what's going to happen in Congress,
what's going to happen with disclosure, what's going to happen
with new witnesses coming forward. We keep hearing behind the
scenes that other guys are ready willing and able to testify.
(04:48):
We got Danny Sheehan and Congress trying to get legislation
passed to give them whistleblower protections so that they can
come forward without violating any of their NBA agreements. It's
just sort of that kind of a feel here, right.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I would say.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
So, it's not just I think with the disclosure issue,
it's also different aspects under the entire umbrella of what
contact is. It's maybe like an alternative archaeology or different
studies of consciousness, and it all kind of comes together.
So for me, I like to focus on that side
(05:24):
a little bit more. The psionics just in general, has
been I think a hot word, and we know what's
been around for a while. It's basically just parapsychology, but
now it's being looked at in a more scientific way,
and I think just even changing a word, kind of
like going from UFO to UAP exactly give some people
(05:45):
permission to take a more serious look into it. And
I think that's been a pivotal growth in the community
and making that more a part of what UFO contact
with other beings is.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There's so many different modalities that have discussed here at
Contact with sixty two different speakers, and many of them
have different viewpoints on different things. People talking about the Pyramids,
new discoveries under the Pyramids. You know, a lot of
it does tie into the UFO topic, of course, but
there's diversions from that, even the psionics. You're talking about.
A big thing in the folklore of contact with extraterrustrial
(06:27):
beings is telepathic communication. And then boom, we have a
scientist here who's talking about humans who seem to exhibit
some sort of telepathic communication, with autistic savant children being
able to communicate with their mother because they're nonverbal and
they have a hard time communicating, and yet there seems
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to be some kind of connection there.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Yeah, I think it just shows that that might be
the source of everything.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
It's a study of consciousness.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
It seems like, you know, it used to be very
nuts and bolts, and now it's kind of a realization
that consciousness is connecting all of these things together, and
that's really exciting for me. That's something I think I
would love to focus on and bring more of that
to contact.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That'll definitely be an element next year. I think twenty
years from now. This whole thing could open up, you know,
which happens over years. You know, thirty two years ago,
mainstream science said that there are no exo planets anywhere
in the universe. That was the top people in the
world saying that. Then they found one, then they found two,
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than eight. Now they think there's two trillion. So these
things change. This psionics thing could open doors. We may
make new discoveries and then suddenly we have this new ability.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Is it a new ability or is it something we
just never paid attention?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well, Doctor Diana Paul was saying that anthropologists think it's
possible one hundred thousand years ago that humanity Homo sapien,
had some sort of telepathic abilities, but as they developed vocalization,
they didn't use it because they didn't need it. So
that's an interesting thing to think about. It's fun to
(08:17):
speculate on these things because you know, you find out
where we came from and where we're going. And I'd
love to see her keep doing more discoveries and more
research to that.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I love that that's actually, uh, that makes sense, you know,
even to think of where language comes like came from
that evolition of consciousness, And it would be interesting if
by learning how to verbally communicate with each other that
we sort of lost the knowledge and the knowing that
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we have that ability.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And so imagine if we knew that we could.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Have Yes, think about all the men of the audiences
who are thinking right now, man, if we had nonverbal
communication with the wife instead of verbal, how great that
would be. I mean, that would really lighten things up
for most of us.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, I hope my husband and the audience.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Half the people think that's funny. The other half are
glaring at me right now with Oh, that's a gesture
that I just saw from the audience. Yes, I know
what that finger is for. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Everyone's sleeping now, everyone's leave. Nice.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
When we come back, we're going to talk more about
Contact in the Desert as we do our show live
in front of an audience. At Contact in the Desert
twenty twenty five. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We
(10:00):
are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and today
I'm with producer Brie and we're going to pick up
right where we left off from the live show at
Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five. So there's other
things that have happened here at Contact in the Desert.
We started off Thursday was pretty much our biggest Thursday ever.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I mean I've been coming into Contact for a long time.
It's usually check in, you walk in, you know, you
chuckle around. This year was a line, I mean wrapped around.
People were just waiting. The second those doors opened. It
was like floods. I've never seen anything like that before,
and it was an instant knowing that this was going
(10:38):
to be a great year and that more people are
getting involved. More people, I think, are not afraid to
come to things like this because I know it does take.
There's this idea that maybe they're a bunch of weirdos,
and now people are comfortable knowing that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
We're here too.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Bri Oh, for sure they are.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
But I do think just the fact that this stuff
is out in mainstream world. You see ut hearings in Congress,
you see some of these stories on TV being covered,
there is We've noticed a segment of attendees who are
just curious about this and they're like, you know, I
saw this, I'm not really sure what's going on. In
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one weekend, one trip to contact in the desert, you
can really gain a good knowledge of what's happening in
and around the community.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well that and I think make friends.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I mean, even the first time I ever went, there's
those moments in between presentations or after presentations where people
just kind of gather and meet each other.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Where are you from? Where are you from?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
And it tends to be that those people do form
that relationship and then come back every year and it's
like your reunion with your people that maybe you don't
live together, but you had such a great time you
come here. You're into the same things, And that to
me is really special because it's not just contact as
in with extraterrestrials, but I think contact is contact between
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each other, between each other and with speakers.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
People love the opportunity here that they can interact with
our speakers. You get a chance to meet some of
these guys, ask them direct questions yourself, which is always
very special. That is a huge part of this.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah, I think that's actually the best part because, as
you know, being a speaker, being an author, there is
that line of where you have to be kind of
safe with some things, right. You don't want to say
the wrong thing. You don't want to make enemies, you know.
And I think it's cool when you can see them
in person, pull them aside and say what did you
(12:42):
really think about this?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yes, at one am in the lobby bar area, the
answer tends to be a little different than it was
at twelve noon on the stage. I mean, that's just
going to be honest.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah, well what did you think about this? Well? Actually yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And so that's cool because you have that insight without
having what about them feeling the pressure and they it's
like they feel like they can talk to you because.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And it's a very trusting space and everybody feels that.
Like you said, people get to know each other. I
saw people that saw each other they probably haven't seen
each other since contact last year, and then they're like, oh, hey,
you guys, what's going on in your world now? You
know a lot of people do.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Someone goodbye today, And I said, it's our annual reunion
till next year, you know, And it's like bittersweet, but
I know we'll be back next year.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
We'll get to see each other, and it's just something
to look.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Forward to absolutely, and I think expanding on the direction
we're heading now is really working. People have been very
positive this year about the direction of the show, the
way the speakers worked. Everything just kind of went off
with a hitch because now the speakers, many of them
kind of know the routine too, so that worked out well.
How great we had Ross Colehart here, that.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Was awesome all the way from Australia.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Is that how you say it's giant, and that's how
you say it it's giant. So Ross, you know, is
responsible for breaking a lot of big stories in this community.
He seems very well connected with insiders, and you know
he had mentioned publicly on stage that there's a lot
of people ready, willing, possibly able to come forward with
their story of working directly on these projects. On UAPs,
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we had Jake Barber of course got released from him,
who's a first hand witness who claims to have driven
the helicopter that lifted the craft and took it to
a hangar. That's a big deal to bring somebody forward
who has first hand knowledge of this.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
According to Hen Trow, the eight Basket, if.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It's real, it's pretty amazing for sure.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I mean I would love to have him here too,
but just to have Ross.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I think he's very respected journalist and that feels special
in itself, that he really is the real deal and
he now knows what it's like to fight for something
like this and to have so much pushback all the time,
and people trying to ruin your reputation, and the fact
(15:04):
that he's still willing to be on the front and
really stand up for what he believes and that should
be known to everybody. To me, I just feel like
he really is a gem of a human Also, just
knowing him.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
He's fantastic and you could see he spoke about it
a lot openly on stage how frustrated he is that
he says like, from his Australian perspective, he doesn't understand
why people in Congress number one and people in the
media number two don't press people on these questions. He says,
from his journalistic background, it's you ask people, hey, what's
(15:42):
the evidence here, what do you have? Tell us this?
And nobody seems to pursue that he's out there doing
which is great. Another investigative journalist we had was George
Knapp was here with George Nori and they did a
Open Lines live version of Coast to Coast am which
is really fun. And they did a similar thing last
(16:03):
year when we did the first time George and George
were together, and then this year they did Open Lines
Live which is a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, I don't know if we'll have another one, you know,
And so it was felt like a trait to be
able to do it again, and it just it feels
special when they're together. I know that doesn't happen and
we're lucky that. I think we're grateful that we're able
to bring the both of them together.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
To have I mean talk about legends and broadcasting. Both
of these gentlemen have been doing it for so long
and are so well received. It's just an honor to
have those guys around, you.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Know, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
We also the big other feature they had at Contact
this year, we had Josh Gates from the Discovery Channel
Expedition Unknown. That guy's been all over the world looking
at a wide variety of these topics, from the Pyramids
to the Holy Grail, to UFOs and aliens. He has
done four to six different shows on Expedition Unknown on
(17:00):
those topics, and he has a very healthy bit of
you know, he's open to it, which is interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
It's not just TV, it's really that he is interested
and he breaches the mainstream and he's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I didn't know he was that funny.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Not Captain Ron hilarious, but hilarious funny, I'd say funny.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, he's really good on stage too, and I think
that's uh, he has that stage quality, that presence. And
we're so lucky because he was very sick and we
didn't know if he was going to make it literal,
Like days before here on site, it was like every
moment is it going to happen?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Is he going to get all that private information that
you're sharing or now yeah, you told everybody he was Yeah,
he was sick, and thank god. I mean it's just
like one of those things that feels just contact. That's
special that and he was great. He was able to
even meet do the meet and great and interact with people,
which is nice.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Did and they were able to get some pictures. He
did some monographs, so that was really cool to bring him.
You know, you talked about how you know, he's a
word that your mom would recognize.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Right right, He's a household name at this point to
a lot of people because that show has been running
for I think twelve or thirteen years, and they have
a new season coming on this year, so that's still
going strong, which is nice to see. We had a
lot of Ancient Aliens people as well. This year. William
Henry was back, Nick Pope was back, a lot of
people from that show, which is also still going, which
(18:27):
is like, what twenty first year or something, nineteenth year
is I.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Feel like it's been ninety seasons. I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
The other day and I was like, wow, they must
have started in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It's still going.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I think it's nineteen actually, which is a lot, which.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is more than that.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Really, Yeah, it's incredible. We need to take a quick
break right there. We come back. We're going to pick
it up on the other side with Breed telling us
more fascinating things about contact in the desert, all while juggling.
I know you can't see it because it's audio only,
but she was doing that the entire time. Ask the
audience you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and
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(19:28):
on Beyond Contact it's Captain Ron and today I am
with the always outrageous Brianna Matt and we're going to
pick up right where we left off at the live
show at Contact in the Desert. So it's always great
to see the insights from those guys directly and that
they've made progress as well. And it's amazing how there's
always new stuff. In the last sixty days. We had
(19:49):
several people come out. We had a briefing in Congress,
the deathbed confession interview with Jesse Michaels with what's his name,
Harold Malstrom, who's worked with various uh presidential I think
you worked with five presidents as a matter of fact,
So that was an interesting thing. So there's been a
lot of stuff happening this This is not sort of
going away, it's sort of kind of growing. We also
(20:11):
had a nuclear panel here on Friday with the nuclear
witnesses who are going to testify in June before Congress
and hopefully go into a skiff with members of Congress.
Testified before they testified, they talked about it at their panel,
which was very exciting.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
It is we've gone first.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, we got we got it before Congress. So that's
very exciting. It is cool because these are these are
important guys with important information that are willing to come
forward with this, and we hope that it will actually
put pressure on Congress to actually try to get more information.
As you know, I'm very skeptical of that. I think
they're going to keep it buried, but I'm all for
(20:51):
them pushing it forward. We kicked off this year's event
with Danny Sheehan, whose whose new Paradigm Institute is trying
to get people to put pressure on their local congressman
to get this out. Talk about a nonpartisan issue. Who
doesn't want to find out? Show us, show us what
you got.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, yeah, even if you don't believe in UFOs, the
fact that there is some evidence of something and a
government is hiding that from you enough should make you
want to get involved. Because if it's one thing, it
could be so many other things.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
That's probably why they keep it secret to if that
comes out, what else is real? Think about all the
doors that will open up if we do get some
form of official disclosure from the government.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Absolutely, it's a very it's a tricky fight. Even just
to go back to talking about how long ancient aliens
it's been going, that's been on TV forever, and people
are just now really getting invested.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
It's been a long row.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Everything moves glacially in this community. It's very hard to
persuade people. It's very hard to change academia. That's what
doctor Din Powell, the scientists working on the thought lepathy
is finding. As we've heard from time and time again,
Graham Hancock said how he runs up against academia not
accepting some of his discoveries. They tend to accept them,
(22:12):
but it moves so slowly that it takes years and
years to get it to change over.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I think we're entering an era where more people are
going to going to the unknown, taking their whatever field
in academia and going into a new field where others
are afraid to go into.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I think slowly that'll happen.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And we have the more people like Avilobe who spoke here,
which was great having Avelobe talk people of his stature,
talking about the realities of this being of extra trustrial
life being probable. It's just a matter of course whether
it's been here, and a lot of the stuff Doctor
(22:55):
Loebe saying that there's a lot of technologies that are
coming online, like the extra Large Telescope, various other telescopes
around the world, and other technologies which are like AI
driven skywatching cameras. These sorts of things are going to
really open up a realm of possibilities for us to
(23:15):
make other discoveries. As doctor Loef told me, he's looking
for trash, he's looking for space junk that was an
old probe from another civilization that maybe came from another galaxy,
something that fell off of another air craft of some
kind from another galaxy. And he said that these new
technologies should allow them to find that because they're too
(23:36):
small for us to see now. But as we get
better technologies, we may actually get to see that, and
that will give us more answers as to what's happening
out there.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I mean, you don't know unless you really look.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
You know, if you're given the tools, you're bound to
find something. And even Auby has gone through, you know,
a lot of struggle in his career and kind of
being the one step being forward. Well, if you want
to be a scientist, don't you want to look at this?
Don't you want to go and find out instead of
saying no.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
That's his quote. He says, we're not being true to
science if we're not being open minded about this thing,
because let's let's if it's not real, let's scientifically investigate
it and find out if that's in fact true.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Right, There's certain people that I feel are kind of
paving the way. They've been brave to be the first
ones to put their careers on the line and take
the hits. And I see more and more people now,
there's more and more scientists that get involved. We have
more PhDs on our program book.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
That's another thing. There's a lot of PhDs here, which
is fun. These are people that are respected in their
communities and they are interested in these topics and they
believe there's possible things that we could discover. And I
love that. That just pushes the envelope further. I want
to know, and I don't want to be got lied
to if our government does. In fact.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
No, I'm with you, I'm very not as optimistic.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I'm definitely not Stephen Bashitt where every day disclosures coming.
I love you, Stephen, but for a while, but it's
keep the fight because I mean, think of Steve. He's
been doing this forever and disclosure so far has common drips,
and now it feels like it's kind of filling up.
And I feel like, just as conference in general, bringing
(25:24):
all these people here, it's kind of opening that door
for them to get a ball.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I feel like it motivates people and speakers talking to
other speakers almost spurs the next speaker on to Yeah,
you know what, we could get this together. Yeah, you know,
we could do this. You know, and the stuff Deanie's doing,
all that's fantastic. I just I feel if there's a
clandestine group within the military or government, whatever has the
(25:49):
cabal that has this knowledge. If in fact we have craft,
what would be the impetus to share it? There is
none throughout history. Every war's won by the guy who
has the best technology. So if you have that technology,
why would you release it to the world so that China, Russia,
North Korea, whoever could have it. There's no reason to
(26:10):
do that. So if in fact we have it, I
think it makes sense that they would want to keep
it close to the best.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
I think humanity would have to go through quite a growth.
I think we'd have to really look at ourselves in
the mirror and heal ourselves as a people before we
could get to that point of releasing something. We're against
each other on one planet and we're seeing each other
as enemies. The fact that there could be crazy technology
(26:40):
but you don't want China to get it, not realizing
that you're on the same planet.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
We're not too different.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
We don't think in that term yet we're not align.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Yes, I think that also the study and consciousness is
going to help people make those changes.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I also think if there was an extraterrestrial race visiting here,
they wouldn't see those lines or care that China and
Russia and whatever don't align. They don't care if they're
just looking as as one planet, one race.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Well yeah, I mean, I imagine it's like going to
someone's house. Everyone in the family. They're all family. It's
one house, so they're just cruising around. It's one planet.
They're like, you guys all live here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was interesting that on that panel, Tom I think
agreed as well, George Nori and George Knapp and myself
all agreed that we do not see disclosure coming official
government disclosure.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
There is, you know, but.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I feel that we shouldn't be discouraged by that because this,
to me is a part of disclosure.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Contact.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I think it's going to happen by the people. The
people are going to have the disclosure. We already know
that the government hides and lies to us, so why
do we need to hear.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
It from them?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Because the other eighty eight percent of the population don't
feel that way.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
And that's why we do this.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I do think educating the world about these things that
make people's eyes open. Oftentimes I'll share some of these
stories and people will be like, OK, I never heard
that before. Maybe there is something to this. Yes, there
is something to this. I don't know what it is,
but there is something to it that deserves scientific rigor
and we need to put more resource behind it. Avi
Lobs talked about his project, which is the Galileo Project,
(28:23):
and they're using AI and various new technologies to get
these answers from a scientific standpoint. We'll be right back
with more from our contact in the Desert Live show.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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(29:05):
Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick
things up right where we left off at the live show.
From this year's contact in the desert, you know.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
For me, I remember when the New York Times article
dropped in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I really thought it was going to be nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
But then there were people out there that needed to
hear that. There were people that had zero interest in
this until that moment. That was their permission slip to say,
oh that's interesting. And so as much as I don't
necessarily put so much weight into disclosure as some of
our other favorite people, I do think that it is
(29:41):
helpful because it's opened up other people's minds that would
normally not even bat and I would think, what do
you do? What's what's your job? Oh my god, are
you serious? You believe in yofos? And then they see
it on the news, Then they hear that the government's
looking into it, and then it's not a joke anymore.
It's no longer a lie laughing what are you doing
for a living. It's more like, oh, yeah, I saw
(30:04):
you know they released some documents or there was that
video that was released it was declassified. That was crazy.
It is doing something for more people. It is opening
up people's eyes that would normally not look into this
or take it seriously.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's been eight years now. Twenty seventeen was really the
watershed moment with the story that she just mentioned from
New York Times. Then the videos came out from the
Navy that the Pentagon says are authentic, and then sixty
minutes to the piece on it, then David Framer came
out and they interviewed him, and then and then and then,
and so all this stuff came out to the Stars
Academy was formed the same year. All of these things
(30:42):
happened at that moment, and that really was a watershed
moment for the community. And we're seeing more and more
people like Ross Colhart and Reality Check and these things
getting a wider audience. And I think it's important to
be very skeptical on these topics, but I think it's
important to at least expose the general public to these
(31:03):
ideas because many people just have no idea about anything
about this, because why would they. It's not out there
in the world that there's like I talk to some
people and tell them what I do and they're like, oh,
I don't even know anything about that.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
You know, that's so hard for me to grasp.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Well, you're immersed in it, you know. People that school
teacher doesn't think about it because it's not in her world,
it's not on her news, it's not anywhere to be seen.
People in the community listen to these podcasts, particularly Beyond
Contact on Coast to Coast i AM and other podcasts,
and they talk about it. If you're not into this topic,
(31:40):
would you wouldn't have exposure to it.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
That's just wild to me.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
I just think, to me, that feels like you're just
staring at the ground all day long, you know, thinking
about life.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
A big aspect of this, of this conference and our
show is to try to reach to a wider audience
just to show people make up your mind for yourself.
But there is other things out there. I mean, we've
read so much about this stuff. We've talked to so
many of these speakers. I'm highly skeptical about a lot
of these things, but when you really really read the
(32:13):
vast amount of material, If you look at Richard Dolan's
books that are this thick and all the cases that
he's compiled, it's a preponderance of the evidence. None of
these cases are a smoking gun, but there are thousands
upon thousands. Beyond thousands of cases, there are hundreds of
military officials who have come forward and said that these
(32:34):
things are real. That becomes very compelling. In fact, the
things that I try to share to people that asked
me often on these interviews or whatever, well, what was
compelling for you? And for me it's things like where
I tell people in the regular world and they don't
even I never heard of such a thing that would
compel me. For example, in Roswell, the Roswell case, there
(32:56):
was a colonel. There's a couple of these guys who
came forward and left something to be opened upon their death,
and then you open up an affidavit upon their death,
and it says I so and so, colonel, whatever of
sound mind. Want my daughter to know that we are
not alone in the universe. I want my granddaughter to
(33:17):
know that I saw bodies, I saw craft. I mean
the fact that somebody would be compelled to do that.
This guy, Harold nelstrom In on February twenty eighth, wanted
his granddaughter to know that he knows for sure we
have recovered craft, We have recovered bodies. These are not
people joking around. Why would somebody do that? Why would
(33:39):
There's no benefit, There's not going to gain fame, They're
not going to make any money. They literally, oftentimes cite
my granddaughter. I want my granddaughter to know this. I'm
compelled as hell like that. Why would somebody do that?
Whatever they wrote in there, to me, that must be real.
But it sure is compelling.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
They should have told her earlier.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, they were threatened and they didn't want to. They
were intimidated, and they didn't want to put her at risk.
They didn't want to these things. So upon their death, boom,
Now you can't get me, you can't harm me. So
I find that compelling, and I think it's a very
strong piece of evidence. And I think those types of
things drew me to this. And then, as Richard Dolan says,
the preponderance of evidence that continues to build. And we
(34:23):
hear people who were in the navy fifty years ago,
and you interview some of the pilots, Ryan Ryan Graves,
for example, he's like, no, we don't see UFOs occasionally
something in the sky we don't know. We see them
every day every time he's in the air. They see
(34:45):
a craft that shows up on the radar. They don't
know what it is. They say, it's not adversarial it's
not ours and we can't catch it. Now, why would
a guy like that come out and say that? So
I'm compelled by it. I don't know what it is.
I don't know that it's alien. I don't know what
it is, but I feel like Avi Lobe says, let's
put some scientific rigor to it and let's find out. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I mean, it's kind of funny that you that you
say that, because when we talk about what Graves saw,
we all think of it as like one instant. It's
like that date always repeated. It's this one instant. But
for him to say every single day correct hit people.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
And another thing that people, even in our community oftentimes
surprisingly don't seem to know. When we see that TikTok
video Tech Tech TikTok tic tech video that was posted
on TikTok, that video, people often point to that they
think there's one craft. One time. The transcripts, if you
(35:45):
read from the pilots, it's raining these things. There were
hundreds of these things and SCU has clocked them at
mock fifty, which is unheard of. I don't know what
that is, could easily be our technology, but man, if
we have that kind of technology. Wow, but let's look
(36:06):
at that.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
You know that sounds sickening to be inside of that.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's incredible. Yeah, and you know we have AI technology now,
that's unbelievable. I guarantee you there's AI technology that government
or someone else has that's much stronger than they let
us use. Absolutely, so you can only imagine that their
uh craft. You know, oftentimes we hear these quotes from
people that have come forward that worked at these things,
(36:30):
and they said that by the time you see a craft,
like when the stealth bomber was unveiled, by the time
you see that, it's obsolete. They're not going to show you.
Why would they show us the newest, fastest, greatest weapon
we have. They're going to keep that close to the vest.
And that makes sense and they should. So when they
show you the stealth bomber, it's obsolete to our army.
(36:52):
So they're like, hey, look what we have. But that's
literally absolute.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm thinking flying cars.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I was thinking about it talking about UFOs right now.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Chan's just that technology, Like I think about back to
the future. You know, he's like it's a skateboard, but
he's like flying in the air.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
There's all these things where they predicted in the future
that we would be doing.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Certain things, you know, the flying cars, the flying skateboards,
because it seems like that would be a natural progression
then in the eighties, it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Now that's true.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
So I just feel like there was obviously some type
of pump the braaks moment, because why wouldn't have those
things happen?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Well, it's interesting how you go back. How often science
fiction then, you know, eventually becomes real, which I think
you're pointing to. Dick Tracy a little bit before your
time had a watch where he could talk face to
face with somebody and that was like, oh my god, magic,
there's no way. And now every single person in here
could talk to anybody anywhere in the world face to
(37:52):
face and an Apple Watch. Yeah, that'll be face to
face soon too. So these things do become reality.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I think it's probably already something's happened, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Well, we hear people again coming forward with these ideas
that they say that we've had technology way beyond that.
We've heard of the the iPad screens that are completely
clear and you can touch of that these guys claim
to have worked on, and you know, it seems outlandish
to me, but then when I hear six different people
say it, it's like, well, maybe there's something to this.
Why would all six of these guys know about this? Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
For sure, Like I said early, it seemed like it
would be a natural progression for those things to happen,
and so them talking about it and those you know,
certain positions. Of course it has to be true. Just
makes sense to me. Technology, it's always growing, it is.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That's the end of part one of our live show
at Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five. Thank you
very much for listening. Stay tuned for next week we're
going to do part two of this live recorded podcast
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(38:59):
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