July 6, 2025 • 15 mins
Guest host Connie Willis is joined by fellow abductees Bret Oldham, Philip Kinsella and Paul Sinclair to discuss being taken by aliens over the course of a lifetime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Philip Kinsella, Brett Oldham, along with Paul Sinclair and myself,
we are the four on the panel of abductees, lifers, contactees. Yeah. No,
we all got so many different names and what they
each mean to me. I'm a lifer got that from
from Brett Oldham himself and I was like, yep, that's
(00:25):
that is the perfect name. It's lifer. There's nothing you
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think there's different projects out there. I believe that
the biggest one that most people know about have read
with from Bud Hopkins and doctor David M. Jacobs, the
Hybridization project. I absolutely, one thousand percent believe in my
research that I'm a part of that project. I have
also seen when I've gone big footing and done the
(00:52):
different things I've seen I've been to. There's an area
and there's one flying around. I don't think that's part
of the hybrid is Ation project. I think it's on
its own mission. But when you are up there around it,
it will come check you out, do whatever it wants
to do with him put you back. But I don't
think it has anything to do with the other project. Now,
(01:13):
I do also agree with something that you had said
earlier too, Brett, where all these things connect. My show
Blue Rock Talk is about that all these things connect.
Whether it's ghost, bigfoot, aliens, strange lights, dog man, whatever,
across the board, they all have, they all connect. They
(01:34):
all have the same things going on, they all have
some sort of telepathy, they all have some sort of
you know, community communication, just different names across the way,
they have orbs. They have all the same types of
things going along. I believe that's one of the secrets
to why I get activity when I go out, because
I believe they know that I've been taken. I believe
(01:58):
they know that I'm in at least a project.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Maybe they know the exact project, I don't know, but
I know that they know I'm somebody that's being taken.
And I think that makes the difference. I think that's
that's a big deal. So what do you guys have
to say with any of what I said? And just
jump in? In fact, Philip, you go ahead and jump in,
because we kind of dist your last last segment.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No, we're all part of this. I think it's interesting.
I think the question that we need to ask is
what do they want? And primarily after the abduction I
had in nineteen eighty nine was prevalent within my mind,
and in nineteen ninety six I had some kind of download.
It's the only way I could explain it, where I
had some kind of theory that was put into my head.
I have written about this, and I believe it's got
(02:46):
something to do with the spirit. I mean, why would
a species that cannot reproduce be interested in reproduction and
interestingly about the part human part alien in terms of
this so called hybridization program. And I'm absolutely canning it's
got something to do with what people call the soul
the spirit. Because if if, and it's just a big gift,
(03:07):
because we're open to all forms of speculation here. If
the Grays are some kind of cloned dentity or AI
construct in whichever manner or technology they use, which may
be very different from ours, you know, perhaps it's possible
they have lost themselves with that so called spirit, that
spark of divinity that we have. And I think this
(03:27):
is sudden that goes all the way back into Antidivolin culture.
But it's interesting isn't it Because they seem devoid of color,
of taste, of smell, of age. They have no understanding
these things, but they know us very well. So I
think the question is what is it that they want?
And I think that each and every one of us,
those that are lifers as you call a call them connie,
(03:47):
which is the correct terminology. I think there's something about
the individual, and I know that Steve Aspin is written
about this with intergenerational links with the grades are looking
for and this is obviously also about their mind scanning techniques.
What they're looking for, they can't seem to find it.
So I think the question is fascinating in the sense
of what do they want and why do they secrete
(04:07):
themselves within the background. One last thing here are so
you know all these people, you know, no disrespect to
the Love and Light crowd, but you know we hear
that so much about oh, they're here to help us
their benevolent Well we've had nothing, right, We've had absolutely
nothing in terms of you know, technological involved and people say, oh,
(04:28):
it's because the system is holding that back. No, I
don't believe. So, so I think that the modus operandi
with these grades is quite interesting in the way that
they select certain individuals, very strong individuals, perhaps individuals that
have got some kind of genealogical links that's some kind
of signature to the soul, the spirit, and where that
may lead into our past generations, which is carried forward
(04:51):
from the past of the future. So you know, that's
I know that Paul has got his ideas, Brett has
got his ideas, and as I said before, I'm open
to awful the speculation. I'm not stating, oh, this is
this or that is that. I think it's important to me. Yeah,
definitely trying to find out what they want, why they're
doing what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I do believe that the technology we are getting, the
technology we're getting, you know, the I think the Internet,
the Wi Fi, the speeds that we have, the AI
laser this, and you know, I think we've gotten technology
from them. I do believe that.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, I would agree that in some parts there Conny,
But when Phillip says what do they want, it's difficult
because I don't know if it were Brett that touched
on it earlier. They don't these these beings, these intelligencers
don't think like because they're so detached. And that's the
big problem with a lot of eupologists and a lot
of people. We're trying to imagine what they're thinking through
(05:54):
human eyes, through human thought, and we're not in a
place where we could even conceive that. They don't. They
don't appreciate that when someone's being taken, or when someone's
undergoing these procedures, that there's tears rolling down a person's
face or this screaming, but there's no noise coming out
of their mouths. It's just a process. We're just we
(06:14):
probably do it ourselves when we're testing on animals and things.
There's no empathy, there's no I'm not saying everybody's like that,
but some people can just go through this process in
a cold and calculated way, and I think that's the
way they are. I don't think that we will understand
what they want and what their end game is. And
(06:35):
as for the connected, yeah, everything's connected, I believe. And
you're stomp bey to let Brett jump in if you
need to, But everything's connected. We know that the mind speak,
cleare audience, spiritualism. It's the same exotic science that's at
work running through all of the unexplained phenomena. So there's
a similarities even if they're not the same entities, they're
(06:58):
not the same intellgencies that are working using all of
this from the other side of the firewall. And that's
what I call it, the other side of the firewall
that we don't seem to penetrate. These intelligencers are all
using the same exotic science. Well, you know the mind speak,
We've got the orbs. We've got the orbs when people
are looking for ghosts and poltergeist activity, We've got the orbs.
(07:20):
With the UFO accounts, We've got the orbs in forests
and in woodlands, with the with the Fay, with the
big Foot. Everything seems to have some kind of common
connection that the threads are there. And I think we're
in a great time within not just abductees, but within
uphology and within the subject of the unexplained as a whole,
because as a whole, because people are no longer pigeonholing.
(07:43):
This is my subject and I don't accept anything else
that comes into it, which is how it's been for years.
Now people are realizing, thank god, that there's a massive
connection to it all, and people have been a little
bit more open minded about that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, well, you know what the things we're talking about.
Somebody here has dealt with the hybrid children and having
the uh. And that's Brett Oldham. Brett did they did
the Did the aliens actually take your hand and have
you touch a child?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Oh? Yeah? They they introduced me to the child that's
on the cover of the book. My brother, Jeffrey Oldham,
he's a fantastic artist and was out in Las Vegas,
and I just described that little girl to him and
that's what he came up with. And there is that
has just made a profound effect all around the world.
(08:37):
So many people have seen hybrid children that look similar
to that little girl. And that's the one that they
introduced me to. And they actually had an adult female
hybrid bring her out.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I was led to an area of a craft
and it was unusual lighting and because it was more dark,
which is in my experience, is very unusual, and there
was just these little round lights kind of down this
area and I was I was like, what's going on?
And the two of the smaller grays, which I do
(09:15):
believe and I've said this a lot of times before,
that their biological robots, the small ones. They're just complete
working for the tall grades who were in charge. But
they led me to this area and I saw this
doorway kind of down this little ramp and in this
room and it was a really bright light there and uh,
(09:39):
and then they left the two the two grades just
left me there and I didn't know what to do.
I just stood there and threw that rope through the
light was this adult hybrid and I could only describe
this adult hybrid woman carrying a child. And the strange
(10:00):
thing about it is like another thing that's kind of
interesting is that they actually have the ability to control light.
That the doorway itself, I could see in the doorway,
but it wasn't leaking. The light wasn't leaking into the room,
my room, as it should have under my understanding of
physics and that we understand it as. But when she
(10:22):
came through, the light came through with her some way
and anyway when she she set the little girl down,
and I won't go into you know, all the details
about it take up too much time. But they introduced
me to her, They coaxed me telepathically to interact with her.
And once again, it was going back to what Philip
was talking about their lack of emotions or lack of
(10:44):
any kind of empathy. They're learning from us. To most
of the time they interact with the women from these
that have been had theises taken and that have used
as breeding purposes. I mean that sounds crude, but that's
literally what it is. Yes, And in this in this case,
(11:08):
you know, they they'd already had me witness a fetus
being taken, which was unbelievable traumatic, uh, and and they
did it to monitor me my reaction, you know. And
then of course I was helpless because I was under
their control and I couldn't even say anything, and towards
towards the end, and I started screaming during everything. So
(11:29):
I don't know if this was the same child or
I have no idea, but uh, it was very strange
because she looked at me really innocent, and she was
seemed very curious of me as I was of her.
And I really I really couldn't resist and I kind
of leaned down and you know, start interacting with her.
I have no idea. I always thought maybe this is
(11:52):
one of the either the childs and the fetus or
another time when where they'd taken semen and you know
that kind of thing. So that was part me, you know,
the human part, but that that little girl has made
such a depiction, has made such an impression and touch
people in such a way. And and this is something
(12:14):
that's I've never said publicly. I'll just make it real quick,
but I always I never saw her again, that that
particular little girl. And I went years and it was
bugging bugging me. I was like, what happened to her?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It was was she part mine? You know? I mean
I just had this aching curiosity that like, one of
these days, if on another event, you know, maybe I
can request to them, you know, maybe they'll listen, because
you know they usually won't. I won't do that. And
(12:49):
then in twenty sixteen, I start having a series of events.
I was actually in Las Vegas at the time, and
I had I had woken up one time with blood
coming out of my left ear and big bruise on
my left hand and this big like blood and make
my skin on my left hip. You know, something heavy
went down and it wasn't too much long. About three
(13:11):
days later at another event, and uh, I was sitting
set on a table and what I always call like
the intake area, and they weren't doing the usual examination,
and here comes this adult female gray hybrid who looked
(13:34):
very much like the little girl, only just older. And
she said, she told me you know who I am
in obviously you know, telepathically again and I said, you're
her and and I just basically had a small level
(13:55):
conversation with her and told her I always wondered what
happened to you? And do you know you recognize you know,
she knew who I was, She recognized me and she
and she says, I have to go back to work.
And I said, wait, what what is your name? I
don't know your name? And she turned around and she said,
(14:15):
as you would know it, and she put the letters
A Y A in my name and I guess it's ayah.
And then she just walked away, and and that's all
I remember of that event. But it really made a
big difference to me, Like I was like, wow, you
know that. I think once again, they were wanting to
(14:36):
see my reaction, emotional reaction, because they are complete avoid
so a lot of what they do, whether it's through
the implants here in our reality and the circumstances they
put us through, or whether it's during an event. A
lot of their hybrid program because these hybrids have these
human characteristics and emotions through this through the DNA that
(15:02):
we have from us that the Grace don't have, you know,
so they're trying to understand the hybrids. They're monitoring us,
at least it's my belief, to better understand how to
deal with the hybrids.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Listen to more Coast to Coast a m every weeknight
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Philip Kinsella, Brett Oldham, along with Paul Sinclair and myself,
we are the four on the panel of abductees, lifers, contactees. Yeah. No,
we all got so many different names and what they
each mean to me. I'm a lifer got that from
from Brett Oldham himself and I was like, yep, that's
(00:25):
that is the perfect name. It's lifer. There's nothing you
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think there's different projects out there. I believe that
the biggest one that most people know about have read
with from Bud Hopkins and doctor David M. Jacobs, the
Hybridization project. I absolutely, one thousand percent believe in my
research that I'm a part of that project. I have
also seen when I've gone big footing and done the
(00:52):
different things I've seen I've been to. There's an area
and there's one flying around. I don't think that's part
of the hybrid is Ation project. I think it's on
its own mission. But when you are up there around it,
it will come check you out, do whatever it wants
to do with him put you back. But I don't
think it has anything to do with the other project. Now,
(01:13):
I do also agree with something that you had said
earlier too, Brett, where all these things connect. My show
Blue Rock Talk is about that all these things connect.
Whether it's ghost, bigfoot, aliens, strange lights, dog man, whatever,
across the board, they all have, they all connect. They
(01:34):
all have the same things going on, they all have
some sort of telepathy, they all have some sort of
you know, community communication, just different names across the way,
they have orbs. They have all the same types of
things going along. I believe that's one of the secrets
to why I get activity when I go out, because
I believe they know that I've been taken. I believe
(01:58):
they know that I'm in at least a project.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Maybe they know the exact project, I don't know, but
I know that they know I'm somebody that's being taken.
And I think that makes the difference. I think that's
that's a big deal. So what do you guys have
to say with any of what I said? And just
jump in? In fact, Philip, you go ahead and jump in,
because we kind of dist your last last segment.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No, we're all part of this. I think it's interesting.
I think the question that we need to ask is
what do they want? And primarily after the abduction I
had in nineteen eighty nine was prevalent within my mind,
and in nineteen ninety six I had some kind of download.
It's the only way I could explain it, where I
had some kind of theory that was put into my head.
I have written about this, and I believe it's got
(02:46):
something to do with the spirit. I mean, why would
a species that cannot reproduce be interested in reproduction and
interestingly about the part human part alien in terms of
this so called hybridization program. And I'm absolutely canning it's
got something to do with what people call the soul
the spirit. Because if if, and it's just a big gift,
(03:07):
because we're open to all forms of speculation here. If
the Grays are some kind of cloned dentity or AI
construct in whichever manner or technology they use, which may
be very different from ours, you know, perhaps it's possible
they have lost themselves with that so called spirit, that
spark of divinity that we have. And I think this
(03:27):
is sudden that goes all the way back into Antidivolin culture.
But it's interesting isn't it Because they seem devoid of color,
of taste, of smell, of age. They have no understanding
these things, but they know us very well. So I
think the question is what is it that they want?
And I think that each and every one of us,
those that are lifers as you call a call them connie,
(03:47):
which is the correct terminology. I think there's something about
the individual, and I know that Steve Aspin is written
about this with intergenerational links with the grades are looking
for and this is obviously also about their mind scanning techniques.
What they're looking for, they can't seem to find it.
So I think the question is fascinating in the sense
of what do they want and why do they secrete
(04:07):
themselves within the background. One last thing here are so
you know all these people, you know, no disrespect to
the Love and Light crowd, but you know we hear
that so much about oh, they're here to help us
their benevolent Well we've had nothing, right, We've had absolutely
nothing in terms of you know, technological involved and people say, oh,
(04:28):
it's because the system is holding that back. No, I
don't believe. So, so I think that the modus operandi
with these grades is quite interesting in the way that
they select certain individuals, very strong individuals, perhaps individuals that
have got some kind of genealogical links that's some kind
of signature to the soul, the spirit, and where that
may lead into our past generations, which is carried forward
(04:51):
from the past of the future. So you know, that's
I know that Paul has got his ideas, Brett has
got his ideas, and as I said before, I'm open
to awful the speculation. I'm not stating, oh, this is
this or that is that. I think it's important to me. Yeah,
definitely trying to find out what they want, why they're
doing what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I do believe that the technology we are getting, the
technology we're getting, you know, the I think the Internet,
the Wi Fi, the speeds that we have, the AI
laser this, and you know, I think we've gotten technology
from them. I do believe that.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, I would agree that in some parts there Conny,
But when Phillip says what do they want, it's difficult
because I don't know if it were Brett that touched
on it earlier. They don't these these beings, these intelligencers
don't think like because they're so detached. And that's the
big problem with a lot of eupologists and a lot
of people. We're trying to imagine what they're thinking through
(05:54):
human eyes, through human thought, and we're not in a
place where we could even conceive that. They don't. They
don't appreciate that when someone's being taken, or when someone's
undergoing these procedures, that there's tears rolling down a person's
face or this screaming, but there's no noise coming out
of their mouths. It's just a process. We're just we
(06:14):
probably do it ourselves when we're testing on animals and things.
There's no empathy, there's no I'm not saying everybody's like that,
but some people can just go through this process in
a cold and calculated way, and I think that's the
way they are. I don't think that we will understand
what they want and what their end game is. And
(06:35):
as for the connected, yeah, everything's connected, I believe. And
you're stomp bey to let Brett jump in if you
need to, But everything's connected. We know that the mind speak,
cleare audience, spiritualism. It's the same exotic science that's at
work running through all of the unexplained phenomena. So there's
a similarities even if they're not the same entities, they're
(06:58):
not the same intellgencies that are working using all of
this from the other side of the firewall. And that's
what I call it, the other side of the firewall
that we don't seem to penetrate. These intelligencers are all
using the same exotic science. Well, you know the mind speak,
We've got the orbs. We've got the orbs when people
are looking for ghosts and poltergeist activity, We've got the orbs.
(07:20):
With the UFO accounts, We've got the orbs in forests
and in woodlands, with the with the Fay, with the
big Foot. Everything seems to have some kind of common
connection that the threads are there. And I think we're
in a great time within not just abductees, but within
uphology and within the subject of the unexplained as a whole,
because as a whole, because people are no longer pigeonholing.
(07:43):
This is my subject and I don't accept anything else
that comes into it, which is how it's been for years.
Now people are realizing, thank god, that there's a massive
connection to it all, and people have been a little
bit more open minded about that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, well, you know what the things we're talking about.
Somebody here has dealt with the hybrid children and having
the uh. And that's Brett Oldham. Brett did they did
the Did the aliens actually take your hand and have
you touch a child?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Oh? Yeah? They they introduced me to the child that's
on the cover of the book. My brother, Jeffrey Oldham,
he's a fantastic artist and was out in Las Vegas,
and I just described that little girl to him and
that's what he came up with. And there is that
has just made a profound effect all around the world.
(08:37):
So many people have seen hybrid children that look similar
to that little girl. And that's the one that they
introduced me to. And they actually had an adult female
hybrid bring her out.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I was led to an area of a craft
and it was unusual lighting and because it was more dark,
which is in my experience, is very unusual, and there
was just these little round lights kind of down this
area and I was I was like, what's going on?
And the two of the smaller grays, which I do
(09:15):
believe and I've said this a lot of times before,
that their biological robots, the small ones. They're just complete
working for the tall grades who were in charge. But
they led me to this area and I saw this
doorway kind of down this little ramp and in this
room and it was a really bright light there and uh,
(09:39):
and then they left the two the two grades just
left me there and I didn't know what to do.
I just stood there and threw that rope through the
light was this adult hybrid and I could only describe
this adult hybrid woman carrying a child. And the strange
(10:00):
thing about it is like another thing that's kind of
interesting is that they actually have the ability to control light.
That the doorway itself, I could see in the doorway,
but it wasn't leaking. The light wasn't leaking into the room,
my room, as it should have under my understanding of
physics and that we understand it as. But when she
(10:22):
came through, the light came through with her some way
and anyway when she she set the little girl down,
and I won't go into you know, all the details
about it take up too much time. But they introduced
me to her, They coaxed me telepathically to interact with her.
And once again, it was going back to what Philip
was talking about their lack of emotions or lack of
(10:44):
any kind of empathy. They're learning from us. To most
of the time they interact with the women from these
that have been had theises taken and that have used
as breeding purposes. I mean that sounds crude, but that's
literally what it is. Yes, And in this in this case,
(11:08):
you know, they they'd already had me witness a fetus
being taken, which was unbelievable traumatic, uh, and and they
did it to monitor me my reaction, you know. And
then of course I was helpless because I was under
their control and I couldn't even say anything, and towards
towards the end, and I started screaming during everything. So
(11:29):
I don't know if this was the same child or
I have no idea, but uh, it was very strange
because she looked at me really innocent, and she was
seemed very curious of me as I was of her.
And I really I really couldn't resist and I kind
of leaned down and you know, start interacting with her.
I have no idea. I always thought maybe this is
(11:52):
one of the either the childs and the fetus or
another time when where they'd taken semen and you know
that kind of thing. So that was part me, you know,
the human part, but that that little girl has made
such a depiction, has made such an impression and touch
people in such a way. And and this is something
(12:14):
that's I've never said publicly. I'll just make it real quick,
but I always I never saw her again, that that
particular little girl. And I went years and it was
bugging bugging me. I was like, what happened to her?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It was was she part mine? You know? I mean
I just had this aching curiosity that like, one of
these days, if on another event, you know, maybe I
can request to them, you know, maybe they'll listen, because
you know they usually won't. I won't do that. And
(12:49):
then in twenty sixteen, I start having a series of events.
I was actually in Las Vegas at the time, and
I had I had woken up one time with blood
coming out of my left ear and big bruise on
my left hand and this big like blood and make
my skin on my left hip. You know, something heavy
went down and it wasn't too much long. About three
(13:11):
days later at another event, and uh, I was sitting
set on a table and what I always call like
the intake area, and they weren't doing the usual examination,
and here comes this adult female gray hybrid who looked
(13:34):
very much like the little girl, only just older. And
she said, she told me you know who I am
in obviously you know, telepathically again and I said, you're
her and and I just basically had a small level
(13:55):
conversation with her and told her I always wondered what
happened to you? And do you know you recognize you know,
she knew who I was, She recognized me and she
and she says, I have to go back to work.
And I said, wait, what what is your name? I
don't know your name? And she turned around and she said,
(14:15):
as you would know it, and she put the letters
A Y A in my name and I guess it's ayah.
And then she just walked away, and and that's all
I remember of that event. But it really made a
big difference to me, Like I was like, wow, you
know that. I think once again, they were wanting to
(14:36):
see my reaction, emotional reaction, because they are complete avoid
so a lot of what they do, whether it's through
the implants here in our reality and the circumstances they
put us through, or whether it's during an event. A
lot of their hybrid program because these hybrids have these
human characteristics and emotions through this through the DNA that
(15:02):
we have from us that the Grace don't have, you know,
so they're trying to understand the hybrids. They're monitoring us,
at least it's my belief, to better understand how to
deal with the hybrids.
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