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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
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our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we.
Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I want to
talk about some of the most powerful evidence we have
for the afterlife. Now. This is cases of young children
who remember past lives. This topic of reincarnation is a
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serious study done by some very smart people at universities.
It's led by a remarkable person, doctor Jim Tucker. And
Doctor Tucker is a child psychiatrist and he's in charge
of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia,
and he has spent his entire career carefully looking at
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the chance that our consciousness, the you, part of you
that thinks and feels, that lives on after our bodies die.
On our episode today, I have very interesting stories for you.
Before we dive into this, I have a small confession
to make. I often hesitate to get into a conversation
about reincarnation because I have heard from so many frightened
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parents that feel if their child who passed before them
is reincarnated, that they may never see them in heaven
or the afterlife. So while we're talking about reincarnation, I
want to just give you a few facts that have
me believe that while reincarnation may very well be real,
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it doesn't happen to everybody. And there is a good
possibility that part of us can remain in the afterlife
and part of us could come back here. So before
we dive in. Here's just some basic things that have
me believe there's much more to reincarnation than meets the eye.
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First of all, in the last two hundred year years,
our population in the world has multiplied by eight meaning
in eighteen twenty five, the world's population was around one
billion people. Now, if reincarnation was true for everyone, we'd
still have about one billion people. But currently we have
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over eight billion people living on Earth. And also, over
the course of the world's history, one hundred and seventeen
billion humans have lived on this planet, so currently seven
percent of them are alive today. Where are all these
other billions of souls? I like the idea of reincarnation
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because I recycle. Why would we only get one chance
to come here? If Earth is a place that we
get so much out of. However, this is an incredibly
intelligent universe, and what we've learned about consciousness and the afterlife,
we must believe that there's so much more that we
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don't understand. Is it possible that part of us comes
back to Earth and part of us stays in the afterlife?
Sure it is. Is it possible that we reincarnate in
soul groups we meet back up with our family and
friends after many, many, many years, and all choose to
come back in together. Another possibility is that we don't
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have to, that we choose to, or part of us
chooses to, something I find very interesting. Of the documented
over twenty five hundred cases of children reporting past life memories,
the majority of these cases are from India, where reincarnation
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is a core belief. Very few come from Europe, North America, Australia,
very very few. So I ask that you listen to
this episode with an open mind. Don't have any fear
that you won't see somebody in the afterlife, because they
have reincarnated, You will see them. This question of reincarnation
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is so important that doctor Jim Tucker and his team
at the Division of Perceptual Studies just recently received an
important grant of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It's
a two year project that started on January ninth of
twenty twenty five cases of the reincarnation type or cort. Recently,
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doctor Tucker was a guest on miam Bialyx's podcast. They've
spoken great depth about what doctor Tucker does. His research
focuses on young children who all on their own started
talking about memories from the past life. He and his
team have studied over two thousand such children from around
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the world. The children in these cases I don't just
have vague memories. They often give surprisingly clear and detailed information.
They may tell the names of people they knew before,
places they lived, how they died, and even names of
family members who had passed away. This led doctor Tucker
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to a big idea that there is a realm of consciousness,
a part of reality that interacts with our world, but
is also separate from it. When a person's physical body dies,
that consciousness can live on in a very different way.
Doctor Tucker suggests that consciousness itself might be the most
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basic thing in the universe, and that physical matter actually
comes from it. This idea is also hinted at by
very famous early scientists in quantum physics, like Max Plank.
One of the most powerful examples you might have heard
of is the case of James Leininger. This little boy,
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the son of a Christian couple in Louisiana, started having
terrible nightmares around his second birthday. He'd scream airplane crash
on fire, little man can't get out. During the day,
he'd crashed his toy airplanes into the coffee table, saying
the same things over and over. His parents were completely
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confused at first, but then they started asking him about it.
James said his plane was a coarse air and that
it was shot down by the Japanese. He also said
he flew off a boat named Natoma. This happened back
in two thousand and his father, who was very skeptical
at first, started looking things up online. He found out
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about the USS Natoma Bay, an aircraft carrier that was
indeed in the Pacific Ocean during World War Two, and
it did carry corsair planes. The specific details just kept
coming from little James. He mentioned a pilot named Jack
Larson at two and a half years old, looking at
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a book about a place called ewo Jima, James pointed
to a picture and said, that's where my airplane got
shot down. As james father looked deeper. Even going to
a reunion for the Ntoma Bay ship, he learned that
there was indeed a Jack Larson on that ship. Even
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more amazing, he found out that only one pilot from
the Tooma Bay was killed during the Ewogima operation. That
was a young man from Philadelphia named James Houston. That
meant if young James Leninger was truly remembering a past life,
he had to be recalling the life of James Houston.
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Young James also said his plane was hit in the
engine and crashed into the water. People who uaw James
Houston's crash confirmed his plane was hit dead on right
in the motor and quickly sank into the water. Jack
Larson was confirmed to be flying next to Houston on
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the day he was killed. What makes his case so important,
as doctor Tucker has pointed out, is that these very
specific details were written down and known before James Houston
was even identified. There was even an ABC News television
interview where James's parents talked about his amazing statements before
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they knew anything about James Houston. Papers including emails, proved
that these facts were unknown to the family when James
was saying them. Doctor Talker says he has not heard
any good explanation that can completely dismiss the case, even
after someone wrote a long article trying to prove it.
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The exact, provable details are simply far too many and
far too accurate to be a coincidence of something that
the parents made up. This case along with the thousands
of others that doctor Tucker has looked into, strongly suggests
that these children are not pretending or somehow getting information
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their parents already knew. The way these stories are consistent
and specific across many different cases and many different cultures
all over the world gives very powerful proof that consciousness
can survive beyond the body. Now, if you go on
YouTube and type in James Lininger Reincarnation, you'll find interviews
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and so many more stories of the things that young
James said that turned out to be true. The full
story was written in a book by his parents. It's
called called Soul Survivor The Reincarnation of a World War
Two Fighter Pilot. Here's another story. What does a mother
do when her two year old son, who has never
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been taught the game, spends his days swinging a bat
with perfect form. For Kathy Bird, it was a mystery
that would unravel everything she thought she knew about life
and death. Her son, Christian started talking. He told his
mom with certainty that only a toddler can possess. I
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used to be a tall baseball player. Of course, Kathy
was confused. Neither she nor her husband were baseball fans,
Where was this coming from? Christian started talking about traveling
on trains, staying in hotels across the country, and a
rivalry with another baseball player named Babe Ruth. The turning
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point came one day when Cathy showed Christian photo of
the famed nineteen twenty seven New York Yankees. Do you
see anyone in the picture who didn't like Babe Ruth?
She asked, Testing a theory without hesitation, Christian's tiny finger
pointed directly to a man with kind eyes and prominent
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dimples and said, that's me. He was pointing to legendary
lou Garig. The puzzle pieces began to lock into place,
each one more impossible than the last. Christians spoke about
how Gerig's parents, both German immigrants, were poor. He talked
about how Garig died not from a specific illness he
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could name, but because, as he put it, his body
just stopped working. This story is now featured in the
book The Boy Who Knew Too Much, an astounding true
story of a young boy's past life memories. It's time
for our break, and we're going to delve into more
reincarnation stories when we get back. You're listening to Shades
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of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sandra Champlain and during the break, I had a thought.
I remember that some people speculate that reincarnation may not
be real. But on the other hand, people who claim
to be reincarnated perhaps are very mediumistic kids that remember
the past lives of someone else that it may not
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be their own. So just something to think about. However,
we're talking about doctor Jim Tucker, who's been given this
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars grant to study reincarnation.
He brings up something very surprising and for many it's
a very difficult part of the research to believe. We're
going to talk about birthmarks and birth defects. Now. Doctor
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Ian Stevenson started the Division of Perceptual Studies before doctor Tucker,
and he found many, many cases where children not only
remembered a past life, but were also born with birthmarks
or even physical problems that matched the wounds from the
person they remembered being. Often these remarks of how the
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person died, like a scar from a knife wound or
a specific burn mark. I know this could sound like
a wild idea, and even doctor Tucker himself admitted it
seems strange to him when he first heard about it,
but he explained it by thinking about how really bad experiences,
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like a very hurtful injury or a traumatic death, can
leave a very strong mark on a person's consciousness, their
soul memory. It's not that the actual physical wound jumps
from one body to another. Instead, the very strong feeling
and image of that hurtful event can somehow affect the
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new baby's developing body before it's born. Interesting to think about.
We already know that strong thoughts can cause real changes
in our bodies right now, like how feeling nervous can
make our hearts beat super fast or our stomach's hurt.
So this idea takes that thought even further, suggesting that
the very strong, often traumatic feelings of a violent death
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can somehow leave a physical mark on a new physical
body when a child is born. Anyways, doctor Tucker and
his team have also seen some interesting patterns in these cases.
A big discovery is about seven out of ten children
who remember past lives recall being someone who died in
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a sudden or unnatural way. This includes things like murder, suicide, war,
or accidents. The number is actually much higher than you'd
expect in everyday life. Even the people who died naturally
in these cases often died very young, about one fourth
of them being under fifteen years old. This makes doctor
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Tucker and his team wonder if life ending too early
or in a difficult way make it more likely for
that person's consciousness to come back to our world and
for their memories to show up in a young child.
It's almost as if these difficult or sudden endings make
the consciousness stay close to this world and then come
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back in a way that allows the memories to be
more easily accessed. Here's a story from Ohio about a
little boy named Luke. At just two years old, Luke
started telling his parents that he used to be a
girl named Pam. His family wasn't religious, they certainly hadn't
talked about past lives. Luke even named a ladybug Pam.
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He insisted he was a girl with black hair and
earrings in his previous life. When his mom, baffled asked
him what happened to Pam, Luke calmly replied that he
died in a fire. He being Pam. He explained he
had jumped from a burning building in Chicago. His mother, intrigued,
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researched online. She found that in nineteen ninety three, a
fire at the Paxton Hotel in Chicago, a building that
housed many African Americans, had indeed trapped residents on an
upper floor. One of the victims was a woman named
Pamela Robinson, who died jumping from the building. Luke's mother
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even found a video of Pam and Luke immediately recognized her, saying, Mommy,
that's Pam. I miss her. This case is striking as
this is a boy claiming he was a girl in
a past life, showing that we can change genders. The
next story takes us to Scotland a boy named Cameron
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born in the year two thousand. Cameron began speaking about
a previous life on the remote island of Barra from
the age of two. He spoke constantly about his other
mommy and daddy and desperately wanted to go back to
his other family. He gave specific details, including his previous
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family's surname, the color of their old house, and even
mentioned that his previous father had been killed by a car.
These were details a two year old from Glasgow, Scotland
would have no way of knowing. When Cameron was five,
his parents, both of course skeptical, decided to take him
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to the town. As they drove around this small island,
Cameron began pointing out landmarks that he recognized, including his
old house, a beach where he used to play, and
even the exact spot where his father had been hit
by the car. They found the house he described, and
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the details matched perfectly. This is one of those cases
that's so compelling due to verifiable geographical and family details
provided by such a young child. Now here's a heartwarming case,
slightly eerie, about a child who claimed to be his
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own grandfather reincarnated. This is the case of a little
boy named Sam, whose father Ron heard his son say
a very strange thing before he turned two years old.
He said, when I it was your age, I changed
your diaper. Over the next few months, Sam made similar remarks,
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making Ron and his wife Kathy pieced together an odd story.
Sam believed he was Ron's deceased father, his own grandfather.
When asked how he came back, Sam, even as a
little two year old said, I just went whoosh and
I came out the portal. This was the word his
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parents never used. Then the story took a darker turn.
Sam mentioned he had a sister who turned into a fish,
killed by some bad guys. This is where it gets eerie.
His grandfather had a sister who had been murdered sixty
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years earlier, her body found floating in San Francisco Bay.
When asked how he himself died, Sam's slap the top
of his head, as if in pain. His grandfather had
in fact died of a cerebral hemorrhage. This remarkable case
where a young child seemingly embodies his own grandfather with
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memories of family and even the method of death, offers
a profound glimpse into the continuity of family bonds across lifetimes.
It suggests that loved ones can return and remain intimately
connected to us. Doctor Tucker mentioned that his group is
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actively exploring these fascinating links between past life memories and
physical marks or patterns of death. They are even planning
to conduct tests with these children similar to those used
for people who have experienced very tough events like PTSD,
to see if there are any comparable patterns in their
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brains or minds. They are also looking at individuals with
exceptional personal memories to see if a heightened memory capacity
might play a role in how these memories are retrieved. However,
doctor Tucker noted that most of these children do not
display other special mind powers like seeing the future, which
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suggests it's not a general open channel, but something more
specific to the past itself. Ultimately, doctor Tucker's work, particularly
his careful and systematic study of these cases, offers the
closest we currently have to a scientific understanding of consciousness
existing outside of the current physical form through reincarnation. It
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forces us to confront the limits of a purely physical
way of looking at the world. It asks us to
think and to assume that there must be more to
this life than meets the eye, more than just physical
And you know, we talk about consciousness surviving physical death
quite often here on Shades of the Afterlife. One last
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quick story and you'll have to hear the whole thing
way back on episode eight, But I remember talking with
mom Susan Messino about her son Jamie and his incredible
experiences related to the ship the Titanic. Jamie was just
three or four years old when he first saw the
movie Titanic. From that moment on, he became completely fascinated
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with the ship. Over the next two years, he drew
and painted over fifty detailed pictures of the Titanic, all
from memory. He knew how the ship was built, its
exact layout, and even cried over the men trapped in
the boiler room, saying it shouldn't have happened that way.
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One detail he revealed was about the ship's smoke stacks.
Jamie told his mom that one of the four smoke
stacks on top of the ship was a dummy stack.
It was just for show and not real. Years later,
through documentaries about the Titanic, mom Susan discovered that this
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was indeed true. Little Jamie also suffered terrifying nightmares where
he'd scream She's going down, as if reliving the sinking
of the ship. With all the details that little Jamie had,
Susan Messino and family believe that Jamie used to be
Thomas Andrews, the ship's designer who went down with the Titanic.
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Many brilliant minds throughout history have pondered and accepted the
idea of reincarnation. For instance, the great American writer Ralph
Waldo Emerson beautifully captured this thought when he said, the
soul passes into other habitations, for the soul is immortal,
and all things subsist, and do not die, but only
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retire a little from sight, and afterwards return again. And
poet Walt Whitman said, I know I am deathless. I
no doubt have died myself ten thousand times before. Even
the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said live so that thou mayest
desire to live again, for in any case thou wilt
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live again. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast,
a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of
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the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and we're talking about the
reincarnation research of the fascinating doctor Jim Tucker and the
survival of consciousness. Before we get onto more stories, you
may wonder what happens to these children when they begin
growing up? Do they remember their past life memories? The
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older they get well, usually between five and seven years old,
these children stop talking about their past life memories. Doctor
Tucker thinks it's for a few different reasons. They get
more interested in school friends, playing, you know, doing things
that kids do. But it also matches how we adults
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often lose our early childhood memories, something that's called childhood amnesia.
Our brains change a lot as we grow up, and
old memories, even from this life, can fade. It just
makes sense that past life memories would fade too. However,
doctor Tucker and his team recently did a study where
they talked to adults who were once these children. The
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results were mostly good. These adults were doing just fine
in life. Many had finished college, and some even had
higher degrees. They worked in all kinds of jobs. While
none of them remembered things as clearly as they did
when they were little, almost half still had some vague memories.
More importantly, many said that their childhood experiences gave them
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a more spiritual way of looking at life, even if
they didn't remember all the little details. For most of them,
it was a good experience in the long run, even
if it was a bit confusing or hard for them
and their parents when it was happening. This conversation also
touched on bigger ideas from doctor Tucker's work. He was
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asked to speak simply without his doctor Tucker had on
about what he truly believes is happening. His answer was
very deep, as I have become quite convinced that there's
more than just the physical world. There is this element
or realm of consciousness, and that we all have a
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piece of it. He believes that sometimes this consciousness comes
back to the same world in a young child. Even
though this doesn't give us all the answers, it strongly
suggests that just looking at the physical world isn't the
whole picture. It means we're missing this important consciousness piece.
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He even quoted Max Plank, a famous scientist known as
the father of quantum theory, who said that consciousness is
the most basic thing, and everything physical comes from it.
This fits with the idea that our reality, at its
very core, grows out of consciousness itself. This way of
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thinking opens up a whole new way to see our existence.
It suggests that the universe and everything in it is
not meaningless. It's not just some random collection of molecules
floating around without any purpose. Instead, there is meaning, and
we can create meaning in our lives as part of
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this bigger connected picture. As for the Akashic records, this
is an idea from old Eastern spiritual traditions that there
is somewhere a huge, never ending database of everything that
has ever happened. Doctor Tucker mentioned it as one possible
way that information from past lives might be accessed. While
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doctor Tucker doesn't fully support this, he agrees that this
realm of consciousness could hold all kinds of information that
just exists and can be retrieved, but not necessarily survives
in the way we usually think of survival. Now, let's
get back to some more story that doctor Tucker and
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his team have studied. Our next story takes us to
the glitz and glamour of old Hollywood, as seen through
the eyes of a four year old boy named Ryan
from Oklahoma. Started telling his mother Cindy, that I used
to be someone else. He'd point to the Hollywood sign
on TV and say that was his home and he
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desperately wanted to return there. Ryan gave fifty five specific
statements about his previous life. He said he was a dancer,
an actor, and later a talent agent who lived in
a big house with a pool and fast cars. He
mentioned his favorite restaurant in Chinatown, his large collection of sunglasses,
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and that he had several wives. He even named his
Hollywood agent friend George, and a tap dancer friend named Jean.
Mom Cindy initially bewildered borrow books about old Hollywood from
the library. As she and Ryan looked through one particular book,
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Ryan became incredibly excited. He pointed to a picture from
an old movie and shouted, Mommy, that's George. We did
a picture together. Then he pointed to another man in
the photo and said, and that's me. The man he
pointed to was later identified as Marty Martin, a dancer, actor,
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and a talent agent who died in nineteen sixty four.
Marty Martin's daughter later met with doctor Jim Tucker and
Ryan's family, and she confirmed that more than fifty details
that Ryan had reported about her father's life were true.
This case is powerful because of the many specific, proven details,
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all given by a young child who had no clear
way of knowing such information. Now, let's move on to
Northern India. A child na aimed Bishon Shan Kapoor, at
only ten months old, Bishen started saying a word that
sounded like the name of a town about thirty one
miles away. As he grew, he began speaking more and
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more about a previous life in Pilibate. He consistently mentioned
specific details, including his previous name lax Me Narrin, and
even named his former uncle. He said his past father
was a wealthy landowner. When Bishon was four, an investigator,
doctor Ian Stephenson, arranged for him to visit the town
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of Pilibit. As their train passed a certain area, Bishin
demanded to get off, said he recognized it. During the visit,
he recognized various locations and made accurate statements about his
previous life as Laxmi Narain, who had died of a
fever at the age of thirty two. In one amazing moment,
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Bishon was able to reveal the exact room where his
father had hidden a stash of gold coins. He also
spontaneously recognized a shop that his reincarnated self had owned.
This case is amazing due to the details and the
provable facts, including information about a hidden treasure that this
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young child could not have possibly known. Now in Thailand,
we have a unique story of Bam Kouk Promson born
in nineteen sixty two at one year and eight months old,
he began telling his mother, this is not my home.
Over the next two years, he repeatedly claimed his name
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had been Shamrat and that his family was originally from Laos,
and disturbingly, that he had been murdered by two men
while attending a fair in a nearby village. He also
gave their names and described the event in detail. This
little boy asked to be taken to the town. When
they got there, they found the evidence was correct and
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Shamrat had indeed been murdered. In nineteen fifty four, at
the age of eighteen, the two families, who previously did
not know each other, met. Shamrat's family checked almost all
of Bonkuk's statements and proved them to be true. Astonishingly,
Bonkuk was able to point out and identify the two
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men he claimed were his murderers, and his descriptions matched
their known identities. This is one of the most powerful
cases for its specifics, including the naming and identification of
criminals from the past, making it very hard to explain
that this could happen by any normal means. The next story,
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also from Thailand, introduces us to Ampan, a girl who
from the age of one, insisted she had another mother
and father in a village about fifteen kilometers away. What
makes Ompan's case particularly striking is that she claimed to
have been a boy in her previous life. She described
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her former house and various objects within it. She vividly
recounted how she had died after being bitten by a
snake and then drowning. As she grew older, Ompan showed
strong masculine ways, preferring to dress as a boy and
wear trousers and actively participating in boys games like boxing,
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behaviors very unusual for girls in her culture. When Ompan
was seven, she suddenly recognized a woman she saw in
the street as her aunt from her previous life. She
ran up to the woman, she hugged her, and urgently
asked her to be taken to her previous family. When
they visited the village, many of the details matched her accounts.
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Tucker's general advice to parents who have a child with
unusual memories is both caring and practical. He suggests being
open and letting the child talk about their experiences, especially
if they show strong feelings about them. However, he also
advises avoiding too much focus or constantly asking the child
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about the past life, as this could upset them or
even lead them to make up answers. Instead, parents should
listen and accept their child's memories, but also help them
understand that they are safe and loved in their current life.
He gently reassures parents that these memories usually fade naturally
as the child grows older, and most of these children
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grow up and develop just fine. Ultimately, Doctor Jim Tucker's
work encourages us to reconsider our understanding of who we are.
We are not just physical bodies. We are souls on
a profound and continuing journey. Is research, even when it
goes into areas that some might find strange or hard
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to accept, is fundamentally about understanding that our consciousness never stops.
It helps us to see the deep purpose behind our
temporary physical life, reminding us that we are spiritual beings
having a human experience. We're learning, we're growing, We're expressing
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love as part of an amazing journey that continues on now.
There are no stories of people remembering past lives as animals,
But for me, Sander Champlain, if I was to be reincarnated,
I'd choose to be a Housecat, not for the nine lives,
but for the eighteen hours of guilt free napping every day.
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It's time for our break. We'll be right back with
more stories. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and to cost AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome
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back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're
talking about kids in their past life memories. I am
reminded that I have talked about reincarnation a few times before.
Besides the previous episodes I mentioned earlier, Episode seventy two
gives a bunch of the details about that Hollywood story
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and the incredible evidence. Also, episode one twenty six I
titled Mom, I Was Your Dad. That's all about the
incredible kid's past life memories. Now let's get to some
more story, shall we. Oh, But before I do, if
you're interested in finding out more of this work, the
website's kind of confusing, But if you just want to
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type into Google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation, you will
be taken to the University of Virginia and you can
explore more there. This next story comes from the country
of Turkey involving a six year old boy identified as Ka,
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who claimed to remember a past life as a rich
man in Istanbul, some eight hundred and fifty kilometers away.
Ka spoke of living in a large three story house
right on the water, with boats tied up outside and
a church behind it. He said people called him Fistique
in that his wife and children had Greek first names.
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He vividly recalled his wedding taking place at Bodrum, a
coastal village. Disturbingly, he claimed he had been shot and
killed and that his wife was involved in the murder.
Researchers later investigated his claims and found a man named
Caracas who lived in Istanbul, who was indeed a wealthy
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Armenian Christian. He fit many of kas descriptions, including living
in a large house in Istanbul with boats tied behind it.
Caracas was also known to have a wife from a
grief Orthodox family whose family disapproved of the marriage. He
in fact was shot and killed, and there was indeed
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talk that his wife was involved in his death. Next,
we have an extraordinary case involving a modern child and
a famous historical figure. Barbara Carlin born in Sweden, nine
years after Ann Frank died From a very young age,
Barbara insisted her real name was Anne and that her
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family should call her that. She even told her parents
that they weren't her real mother and father. As a child,
Barbara's family, unfamiliar with the Anne Frank story, even consulted
a psychiatrist, thinking she was lost in a fantasy world. However,
at age ten, during a family trip to Amsterdam, Barbara's
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connection became undeniable. She instinctively knew how to get to
Anne Frank's house and pointed out the steps outside that
had been changed. Once inside Anne's room, she felt an
overwhelming sense of fear, but refused to leave. She told
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her mother that there had been pictures on the wall
placed there by Anne herself. Anne Frank's father, Otto Frank,
had removed the pictures after the war for preservation. Barbara's
mother was stunned, finally understanding her daughter's lifelong insistence. Years later,
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Barbara even met Anne Frank's cousin, who told reporters he
believed Barbara was the reincarnation of Anne. Here's an interesting
story for you. It starts out on a golf driving range.
Imagine a boy not even old enough for preschool picks
up a golf club and stuns his parents with a
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swing so perfect, so natural, it seems impossible. But his
incredible talent was just the beginning of the mystery. He
began to talk about his other house and his other
mommy and daddy. So his father, looking for answers, showed
him a book with photos of six legendary golfers. The
little boy pointed to one man without a moment's hesitation.
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It was the great Bobby Jones. The boy said, that's me.
The details that followed were chilling. The boy spoke of
golf courses from the nineteen twenties and thirties. He knew
all about Jones's famous rival, Walter Hagen, but the most
stunning detail was his name. Whenever anyone called him Bobby,
he would get angry, stomping his foot and insisting, I'm
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not Bobby, I'm Bob. It was a small thing, but
it was a preference that the real Bobby Jones was
known to have his entire life wanting to be called Bob,
not Bobby. The next is a modern and chilling story
coming from Ris White, whose four year old daughter shared
a disturbing memory in twenty eighteen. Ris was looking at
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the nine to eleven memorial posts on social media when
her daughter pointed to an image of the Twin Towers
and calmly said, hey, Mom, I used to work there. Ris,
feeling uneasy, asked her daughter when this was The young
girl simply replied before She then described a morning at
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work when the floor got really hot. She and her
friends tried to escape through a door, but it wouldn't open.
Her chilling account concluded with her saying she then jumped
out of the window and flew like a bird. Mom
Wriss was deeply shaken, especially as her daughter had never
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been told about nine to eleven. The details of the
hot floor, the jam door, and the jump are strikingly
specific to actual survivor accounts from the Twin Towers. This
powerful spontaneous memory from such a young child with no
known prior exposure to the event is eerie but compelling.
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Modern case doctor Jim Tucker says that he does not
engage in extensive meditating practices or psychic exploration himself. He
has come to a point where the question of whether
we reincarnate or even survive has become less important to
him personally. What truly is important, He says is that
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this life and the experiences and interactions we have with
people now we should try to be at peace with that,
regardless of what comes later. So back to the beginning,
having no fear of do we reincarnate, don't we? We
will continue on and after close to two hundred and
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fifty episodes, now I hope you can see and be
comforted that our consciousness does survive death. That will open
our eyes, be reunited with our loved ones and even
our pets in a place that's so familiar, similar to Earth.
What happens in the future, if part of us comes back,
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or if someday our soul chooses to come back, we
have to trust that our future selves will have it
all handled. I do believe that if we know that
our existence extends beyond on this body, it really does
empower us to live a better life now. Doctor Jim
Tucker's perspective aligns with the idea of a consciousness system.
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The fact that seventy percent of the cases he studied
involves traumatic deaths suggests that perhaps these souls are returning
to process and heal from these experiences, and if they
do come to this life with specific things to work
on traumatic deaths may increase the likelihood of memories surfacing
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as part of that healing process. Doctor Tucker also touched
on near death experiences, which is another area of research
at the Division of Perceptual Studies spearheaded by his colleague
doctor Bruce Grayson. NDEs occur when people come very close
to death or even when their hearts stop, yet instead
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of their minds shutting down, they experience sharpened awareness. Of course,
many describe floating above their bodies, observing resuscitation efforts, encountering
de ceased loved ones, experiencing an overwhelming sense of love
and light, and we've often talked about the life review.
These are life transforming experiences, and similarities between endes and
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some of the children's past life memories further suggests a
continuity of consciousness beyond physical death. Let us not forget
that some of the great medium readings and these after
death communications happen when we go into a quiet receptive state,
the daydream state, or we ask a question and just
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allow it to surface in whichever way it wants to,
or just before we go to bed at night, or
just when we wake up in the morning. Recognizing that
this space in our mind might be our connection to consciousness,
or another person's consciousness, or the larger consciousness system. The
more we human beings stay in this open, receptive state,
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I think, the more we might be able to access
the deeper truths. Doctor Jim Tucker's work reminds us that
our physical state, our energy levels, our emotional state, even
external factors like caffeine or illness can affect our ability
to connect with these vibrational states of consciousness. With that
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grant he is received, he's going to continue with these research. Ultimately.
Doctor Tucker's journey and conclusions, of course, deeply resonate with
our core messages here on Shades of the Afterlife, He
too believes that our soul never dies, It transforms, integrates,
and continues its eternal journey. I know this understanding doesn't
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eliminate grief, but it gives us hope. The connections we
have here, especially through love, do transcend physical back boundaries.
Our loved ones are not lost. They continue their own journey,
as will we, maintaining those bonds of affection across dimensions,
beyond time and through whatever transformations they may bring. To
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learn more about doctor Jim Tucker's incredible work. Again, you
can just google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation. You can
also check out his books Life Before Life, a Scientific
Investigation of children's memories of previous lives and Return to
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Life Extraordinary Cases of children who remember past lives. And
of course don't forget to come visit me at We
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our Sunday Gathering. I promise it'll leave you with a
smile on your face, and we do medium demonstrations within
every gathering. So I thank you for taking the time
to delve into this curious topic of reincarnation. I'm Sanders Champlain.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
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our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we.
Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I want to
talk about some of the most powerful evidence we have
for the afterlife. Now. This is cases of young children
who remember past lives. This topic of reincarnation is a
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serious study done by some very smart people at universities.
It's led by a remarkable person, doctor Jim Tucker. And
Doctor Tucker is a child psychiatrist and he's in charge
of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia,
and he has spent his entire career carefully looking at
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the chance that our consciousness, the you, part of you
that thinks and feels, that lives on after our bodies die.
On our episode today, I have very interesting stories for you.
Before we dive into this, I have a small confession
to make. I often hesitate to get into a conversation
about reincarnation because I have heard from so many frightened
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parents that feel if their child who passed before them
is reincarnated, that they may never see them in heaven
or the afterlife. So while we're talking about reincarnation, I
want to just give you a few facts that have
me believe that while reincarnation may very well be real,
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it doesn't happen to everybody. And there is a good
possibility that part of us can remain in the afterlife
and part of us could come back here. So before
we dive in. Here's just some basic things that have
me believe there's much more to reincarnation than meets the eye.
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First of all, in the last two hundred year years,
our population in the world has multiplied by eight meaning
in eighteen twenty five, the world's population was around one
billion people. Now, if reincarnation was true for everyone, we'd
still have about one billion people. But currently we have
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over eight billion people living on Earth. And also, over
the course of the world's history, one hundred and seventeen
billion humans have lived on this planet, so currently seven
percent of them are alive today. Where are all these
other billions of souls? I like the idea of reincarnation
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because I recycle. Why would we only get one chance
to come here? If Earth is a place that we
get so much out of. However, this is an incredibly
intelligent universe, and what we've learned about consciousness and the afterlife,
we must believe that there's so much more that we
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don't understand. Is it possible that part of us comes
back to Earth and part of us stays in the afterlife?
Sure it is. Is it possible that we reincarnate in
soul groups we meet back up with our family and
friends after many, many, many years, and all choose to
come back in together. Another possibility is that we don't
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have to, that we choose to, or part of us
chooses to, something I find very interesting. Of the documented
over twenty five hundred cases of children reporting past life memories,
the majority of these cases are from India, where reincarnation
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is a core belief. Very few come from Europe, North America, Australia,
very very few. So I ask that you listen to
this episode with an open mind. Don't have any fear
that you won't see somebody in the afterlife, because they
have reincarnated, You will see them. This question of reincarnation
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is so important that doctor Jim Tucker and his team
at the Division of Perceptual Studies just recently received an
important grant of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It's
a two year project that started on January ninth of
twenty twenty five cases of the reincarnation type or cort. Recently,
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doctor Tucker was a guest on miam Bialyx's podcast. They've
spoken great depth about what doctor Tucker does. His research
focuses on young children who all on their own started
talking about memories from the past life. He and his
team have studied over two thousand such children from around
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the world. The children in these cases I don't just
have vague memories. They often give surprisingly clear and detailed information.
They may tell the names of people they knew before,
places they lived, how they died, and even names of
family members who had passed away. This led doctor Tucker
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to a big idea that there is a realm of consciousness,
a part of reality that interacts with our world, but
is also separate from it. When a person's physical body dies,
that consciousness can live on in a very different way.
Doctor Tucker suggests that consciousness itself might be the most
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basic thing in the universe, and that physical matter actually
comes from it. This idea is also hinted at by
very famous early scientists in quantum physics, like Max Plank.
One of the most powerful examples you might have heard
of is the case of James Leininger. This little boy,
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the son of a Christian couple in Louisiana, started having
terrible nightmares around his second birthday. He'd scream airplane crash
on fire, little man can't get out. During the day,
he'd crashed his toy airplanes into the coffee table, saying
the same things over and over. His parents were completely
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confused at first, but then they started asking him about it.
James said his plane was a coarse air and that
it was shot down by the Japanese. He also said
he flew off a boat named Natoma. This happened back
in two thousand and his father, who was very skeptical
at first, started looking things up online. He found out
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about the USS Natoma Bay, an aircraft carrier that was
indeed in the Pacific Ocean during World War Two, and
it did carry corsair planes. The specific details just kept
coming from little James. He mentioned a pilot named Jack
Larson at two and a half years old, looking at
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a book about a place called ewo Jima, James pointed
to a picture and said, that's where my airplane got
shot down. As james father looked deeper. Even going to
a reunion for the Ntoma Bay ship, he learned that
there was indeed a Jack Larson on that ship. Even
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more amazing, he found out that only one pilot from
the Tooma Bay was killed during the Ewogima operation. That
was a young man from Philadelphia named James Houston. That
meant if young James Leninger was truly remembering a past life,
he had to be recalling the life of James Houston.
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Young James also said his plane was hit in the
engine and crashed into the water. People who uaw James
Houston's crash confirmed his plane was hit dead on right
in the motor and quickly sank into the water. Jack
Larson was confirmed to be flying next to Houston on
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the day he was killed. What makes his case so important,
as doctor Tucker has pointed out, is that these very
specific details were written down and known before James Houston
was even identified. There was even an ABC News television
interview where James's parents talked about his amazing statements before
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they knew anything about James Houston. Papers including emails, proved
that these facts were unknown to the family when James
was saying them. Doctor Talker says he has not heard
any good explanation that can completely dismiss the case, even
after someone wrote a long article trying to prove it.
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The exact, provable details are simply far too many and
far too accurate to be a coincidence of something that
the parents made up. This case along with the thousands
of others that doctor Tucker has looked into, strongly suggests
that these children are not pretending or somehow getting information
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their parents already knew. The way these stories are consistent
and specific across many different cases and many different cultures
all over the world gives very powerful proof that consciousness
can survive beyond the body. Now, if you go on
YouTube and type in James Lininger Reincarnation, you'll find interviews
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and so many more stories of the things that young
James said that turned out to be true. The full
story was written in a book by his parents. It's
called called Soul Survivor The Reincarnation of a World War
Two Fighter Pilot. Here's another story. What does a mother
do when her two year old son, who has never
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been taught the game, spends his days swinging a bat
with perfect form. For Kathy Bird, it was a mystery
that would unravel everything she thought she knew about life
and death. Her son, Christian started talking. He told his
mom with certainty that only a toddler can possess. I
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used to be a tall baseball player. Of course, Kathy
was confused. Neither she nor her husband were baseball fans,
Where was this coming from? Christian started talking about traveling
on trains, staying in hotels across the country, and a
rivalry with another baseball player named Babe Ruth. The turning
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point came one day when Cathy showed Christian photo of
the famed nineteen twenty seven New York Yankees. Do you
see anyone in the picture who didn't like Babe Ruth?
She asked, Testing a theory without hesitation, Christian's tiny finger
pointed directly to a man with kind eyes and prominent
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dimples and said, that's me. He was pointing to legendary
lou Garig. The puzzle pieces began to lock into place,
each one more impossible than the last. Christians spoke about
how Gerig's parents, both German immigrants, were poor. He talked
about how Garig died not from a specific illness he
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could name, but because, as he put it, his body
just stopped working. This story is now featured in the
book The Boy Who Knew Too Much, an astounding true
story of a young boy's past life memories. It's time
for our break, and we're going to delve into more
reincarnation stories when we get back. You're listening to Shades
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of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sandra Champlain and during the break, I had a thought.
I remember that some people speculate that reincarnation may not
be real. But on the other hand, people who claim
to be reincarnated perhaps are very mediumistic kids that remember
the past lives of someone else that it may not
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be their own. So just something to think about. However,
we're talking about doctor Jim Tucker, who's been given this
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars grant to study reincarnation.
He brings up something very surprising and for many it's
a very difficult part of the research to believe. We're
going to talk about birthmarks and birth defects. Now. Doctor
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Ian Stevenson started the Division of Perceptual Studies before doctor Tucker,
and he found many, many cases where children not only
remembered a past life, but were also born with birthmarks
or even physical problems that matched the wounds from the
person they remembered being. Often these remarks of how the
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person died, like a scar from a knife wound or
a specific burn mark. I know this could sound like
a wild idea, and even doctor Tucker himself admitted it
seems strange to him when he first heard about it,
but he explained it by thinking about how really bad experiences,
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like a very hurtful injury or a traumatic death, can
leave a very strong mark on a person's consciousness, their
soul memory. It's not that the actual physical wound jumps
from one body to another. Instead, the very strong feeling
and image of that hurtful event can somehow affect the
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new baby's developing body before it's born. Interesting to think about.
We already know that strong thoughts can cause real changes
in our bodies right now, like how feeling nervous can
make our hearts beat super fast or our stomach's hurt.
So this idea takes that thought even further, suggesting that
the very strong, often traumatic feelings of a violent death
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can somehow leave a physical mark on a new physical
body when a child is born. Anyways, doctor Tucker and
his team have also seen some interesting patterns in these cases.
A big discovery is about seven out of ten children
who remember past lives recall being someone who died in
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a sudden or unnatural way. This includes things like murder, suicide, war,
or accidents. The number is actually much higher than you'd
expect in everyday life. Even the people who died naturally
in these cases often died very young, about one fourth
of them being under fifteen years old. This makes doctor
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Tucker and his team wonder if life ending too early
or in a difficult way make it more likely for
that person's consciousness to come back to our world and
for their memories to show up in a young child.
It's almost as if these difficult or sudden endings make
the consciousness stay close to this world and then come
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back in a way that allows the memories to be
more easily accessed. Here's a story from Ohio about a
little boy named Luke. At just two years old, Luke
started telling his parents that he used to be a
girl named Pam. His family wasn't religious, they certainly hadn't
talked about past lives. Luke even named a ladybug Pam.
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He insisted he was a girl with black hair and
earrings in his previous life. When his mom, baffled asked
him what happened to Pam, Luke calmly replied that he
died in a fire. He being Pam. He explained he
had jumped from a burning building in Chicago. His mother, intrigued,
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researched online. She found that in nineteen ninety three, a
fire at the Paxton Hotel in Chicago, a building that
housed many African Americans, had indeed trapped residents on an
upper floor. One of the victims was a woman named
Pamela Robinson, who died jumping from the building. Luke's mother
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even found a video of Pam and Luke immediately recognized her, saying, Mommy,
that's Pam. I miss her. This case is striking as
this is a boy claiming he was a girl in
a past life, showing that we can change genders. The
next story takes us to Scotland a boy named Cameron
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born in the year two thousand. Cameron began speaking about
a previous life on the remote island of Barra from
the age of two. He spoke constantly about his other
mommy and daddy and desperately wanted to go back to
his other family. He gave specific details, including his previous
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family's surname, the color of their old house, and even
mentioned that his previous father had been killed by a car.
These were details a two year old from Glasgow, Scotland
would have no way of knowing. When Cameron was five,
his parents, both of course skeptical, decided to take him
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to the town. As they drove around this small island,
Cameron began pointing out landmarks that he recognized, including his
old house, a beach where he used to play, and
even the exact spot where his father had been hit
by the car. They found the house he described, and
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the details matched perfectly. This is one of those cases
that's so compelling due to verifiable geographical and family details
provided by such a young child. Now here's a heartwarming case,
slightly eerie, about a child who claimed to be his
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own grandfather reincarnated. This is the case of a little
boy named Sam, whose father Ron heard his son say
a very strange thing before he turned two years old.
He said, when I it was your age, I changed
your diaper. Over the next few months, Sam made similar remarks,
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making Ron and his wife Kathy pieced together an odd story.
Sam believed he was Ron's deceased father, his own grandfather.
When asked how he came back, Sam, even as a
little two year old said, I just went whoosh and
I came out the portal. This was the word his
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parents never used. Then the story took a darker turn.
Sam mentioned he had a sister who turned into a fish,
killed by some bad guys. This is where it gets eerie.
His grandfather had a sister who had been murdered sixty
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years earlier, her body found floating in San Francisco Bay.
When asked how he himself died, Sam's slap the top
of his head, as if in pain. His grandfather had
in fact died of a cerebral hemorrhage. This remarkable case
where a young child seemingly embodies his own grandfather with
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memories of family and even the method of death, offers
a profound glimpse into the continuity of family bonds across lifetimes.
It suggests that loved ones can return and remain intimately
connected to us. Doctor Tucker mentioned that his group is
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actively exploring these fascinating links between past life memories and
physical marks or patterns of death. They are even planning
to conduct tests with these children similar to those used
for people who have experienced very tough events like PTSD,
to see if there are any comparable patterns in their
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brains or minds. They are also looking at individuals with
exceptional personal memories to see if a heightened memory capacity
might play a role in how these memories are retrieved. However,
doctor Tucker noted that most of these children do not
display other special mind powers like seeing the future, which
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suggests it's not a general open channel, but something more
specific to the past itself. Ultimately, doctor Tucker's work, particularly
his careful and systematic study of these cases, offers the
closest we currently have to a scientific understanding of consciousness
existing outside of the current physical form through reincarnation. It
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forces us to confront the limits of a purely physical
way of looking at the world. It asks us to
think and to assume that there must be more to
this life than meets the eye, more than just physical
And you know, we talk about consciousness surviving physical death
quite often here on Shades of the Afterlife. One last
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quick story and you'll have to hear the whole thing
way back on episode eight, But I remember talking with
mom Susan Messino about her son Jamie and his incredible
experiences related to the ship the Titanic. Jamie was just
three or four years old when he first saw the
movie Titanic. From that moment on, he became completely fascinated
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with the ship. Over the next two years, he drew
and painted over fifty detailed pictures of the Titanic, all
from memory. He knew how the ship was built, its
exact layout, and even cried over the men trapped in
the boiler room, saying it shouldn't have happened that way.
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One detail he revealed was about the ship's smoke stacks.
Jamie told his mom that one of the four smoke
stacks on top of the ship was a dummy stack.
It was just for show and not real. Years later,
through documentaries about the Titanic, mom Susan discovered that this
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was indeed true. Little Jamie also suffered terrifying nightmares where
he'd scream She's going down, as if reliving the sinking
of the ship. With all the details that little Jamie had,
Susan Messino and family believe that Jamie used to be
Thomas Andrews, the ship's designer who went down with the Titanic.
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Many brilliant minds throughout history have pondered and accepted the
idea of reincarnation. For instance, the great American writer Ralph
Waldo Emerson beautifully captured this thought when he said, the
soul passes into other habitations, for the soul is immortal,
and all things subsist, and do not die, but only
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retire a little from sight, and afterwards return again. And
poet Walt Whitman said, I know I am deathless. I
no doubt have died myself ten thousand times before. Even
the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said live so that thou mayest
desire to live again, for in any case thou wilt
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live again. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast,
a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of
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the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and we're talking about the
reincarnation research of the fascinating doctor Jim Tucker and the
survival of consciousness. Before we get onto more stories, you
may wonder what happens to these children when they begin
growing up? Do they remember their past life memories? The
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older they get well, usually between five and seven years old,
these children stop talking about their past life memories. Doctor
Tucker thinks it's for a few different reasons. They get
more interested in school friends, playing, you know, doing things
that kids do. But it also matches how we adults
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often lose our early childhood memories, something that's called childhood amnesia.
Our brains change a lot as we grow up, and
old memories, even from this life, can fade. It just
makes sense that past life memories would fade too. However,
doctor Tucker and his team recently did a study where
they talked to adults who were once these children. The
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results were mostly good. These adults were doing just fine
in life. Many had finished college, and some even had
higher degrees. They worked in all kinds of jobs. While
none of them remembered things as clearly as they did
when they were little, almost half still had some vague memories.
More importantly, many said that their childhood experiences gave them
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a more spiritual way of looking at life, even if
they didn't remember all the little details. For most of them,
it was a good experience in the long run, even
if it was a bit confusing or hard for them
and their parents when it was happening. This conversation also
touched on bigger ideas from doctor Tucker's work. He was
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asked to speak simply without his doctor Tucker had on
about what he truly believes is happening. His answer was
very deep, as I have become quite convinced that there's
more than just the physical world. There is this element
or realm of consciousness, and that we all have a
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piece of it. He believes that sometimes this consciousness comes
back to the same world in a young child. Even
though this doesn't give us all the answers, it strongly
suggests that just looking at the physical world isn't the
whole picture. It means we're missing this important consciousness piece.
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He even quoted Max Plank, a famous scientist known as
the father of quantum theory, who said that consciousness is
the most basic thing, and everything physical comes from it.
This fits with the idea that our reality, at its
very core, grows out of consciousness itself. This way of
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thinking opens up a whole new way to see our existence.
It suggests that the universe and everything in it is
not meaningless. It's not just some random collection of molecules
floating around without any purpose. Instead, there is meaning, and
we can create meaning in our lives as part of
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this bigger connected picture. As for the Akashic records, this
is an idea from old Eastern spiritual traditions that there
is somewhere a huge, never ending database of everything that
has ever happened. Doctor Tucker mentioned it as one possible
way that information from past lives might be accessed. While
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doctor Tucker doesn't fully support this, he agrees that this
realm of consciousness could hold all kinds of information that
just exists and can be retrieved, but not necessarily survives
in the way we usually think of survival. Now, let's
get back to some more story that doctor Tucker and
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his team have studied. Our next story takes us to
the glitz and glamour of old Hollywood, as seen through
the eyes of a four year old boy named Ryan
from Oklahoma. Started telling his mother Cindy, that I used
to be someone else. He'd point to the Hollywood sign
on TV and say that was his home and he
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desperately wanted to return there. Ryan gave fifty five specific
statements about his previous life. He said he was a dancer,
an actor, and later a talent agent who lived in
a big house with a pool and fast cars. He
mentioned his favorite restaurant in Chinatown, his large collection of sunglasses,
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and that he had several wives. He even named his
Hollywood agent friend George, and a tap dancer friend named Jean.
Mom Cindy initially bewildered borrow books about old Hollywood from
the library. As she and Ryan looked through one particular book,
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Ryan became incredibly excited. He pointed to a picture from
an old movie and shouted, Mommy, that's George. We did
a picture together. Then he pointed to another man in
the photo and said, and that's me. The man he
pointed to was later identified as Marty Martin, a dancer, actor,
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and a talent agent who died in nineteen sixty four.
Marty Martin's daughter later met with doctor Jim Tucker and
Ryan's family, and she confirmed that more than fifty details
that Ryan had reported about her father's life were true.
This case is powerful because of the many specific, proven details,
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all given by a young child who had no clear
way of knowing such information. Now, let's move on to
Northern India. A child na aimed Bishon Shan Kapoor, at
only ten months old, Bishen started saying a word that
sounded like the name of a town about thirty one
miles away. As he grew, he began speaking more and
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more about a previous life in Pilibate. He consistently mentioned
specific details, including his previous name lax Me Narrin, and
even named his former uncle. He said his past father
was a wealthy landowner. When Bishon was four, an investigator,
doctor Ian Stephenson, arranged for him to visit the town
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of Pilibit. As their train passed a certain area, Bishin
demanded to get off, said he recognized it. During the visit,
he recognized various locations and made accurate statements about his
previous life as Laxmi Narain, who had died of a
fever at the age of thirty two. In one amazing moment,
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Bishon was able to reveal the exact room where his
father had hidden a stash of gold coins. He also
spontaneously recognized a shop that his reincarnated self had owned.
This case is amazing due to the details and the
provable facts, including information about a hidden treasure that this
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young child could not have possibly known. Now in Thailand,
we have a unique story of Bam Kouk Promson born
in nineteen sixty two at one year and eight months old,
he began telling his mother, this is not my home.
Over the next two years, he repeatedly claimed his name
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had been Shamrat and that his family was originally from Laos,
and disturbingly, that he had been murdered by two men
while attending a fair in a nearby village. He also
gave their names and described the event in detail. This
little boy asked to be taken to the town. When
they got there, they found the evidence was correct and
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Shamrat had indeed been murdered. In nineteen fifty four, at
the age of eighteen, the two families, who previously did
not know each other, met. Shamrat's family checked almost all
of Bonkuk's statements and proved them to be true. Astonishingly,
Bonkuk was able to point out and identify the two
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men he claimed were his murderers, and his descriptions matched
their known identities. This is one of the most powerful
cases for its specifics, including the naming and identification of
criminals from the past, making it very hard to explain
that this could happen by any normal means. The next story,
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also from Thailand, introduces us to Ampan, a girl who
from the age of one, insisted she had another mother
and father in a village about fifteen kilometers away. What
makes Ompan's case particularly striking is that she claimed to
have been a boy in her previous life. She described
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her former house and various objects within it. She vividly
recounted how she had died after being bitten by a
snake and then drowning. As she grew older, Ompan showed
strong masculine ways, preferring to dress as a boy and
wear trousers and actively participating in boys games like boxing,
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behaviors very unusual for girls in her culture. When Ompan
was seven, she suddenly recognized a woman she saw in
the street as her aunt from her previous life. She
ran up to the woman, she hugged her, and urgently
asked her to be taken to her previous family. When
they visited the village, many of the details matched her accounts.
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Tucker's general advice to parents who have a child with
unusual memories is both caring and practical. He suggests being
open and letting the child talk about their experiences, especially
if they show strong feelings about them. However, he also
advises avoiding too much focus or constantly asking the child
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about the past life, as this could upset them or
even lead them to make up answers. Instead, parents should
listen and accept their child's memories, but also help them
understand that they are safe and loved in their current life.
He gently reassures parents that these memories usually fade naturally
as the child grows older, and most of these children
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grow up and develop just fine. Ultimately, Doctor Jim Tucker's
work encourages us to reconsider our understanding of who we are.
We are not just physical bodies. We are souls on
a profound and continuing journey. Is research, even when it
goes into areas that some might find strange or hard
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to accept, is fundamentally about understanding that our consciousness never stops.
It helps us to see the deep purpose behind our
temporary physical life, reminding us that we are spiritual beings
having a human experience. We're learning, we're growing, We're expressing
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love as part of an amazing journey that continues on now.
There are no stories of people remembering past lives as animals,
But for me, Sander Champlain, if I was to be reincarnated,
I'd choose to be a Housecat, not for the nine lives,
but for the eighteen hours of guilt free napping every day.
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It's time for our break. We'll be right back with
more stories. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and to cost AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome
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back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're
talking about kids in their past life memories. I am
reminded that I have talked about reincarnation a few times before.
Besides the previous episodes I mentioned earlier, Episode seventy two
gives a bunch of the details about that Hollywood story
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and the incredible evidence. Also, episode one twenty six I
titled Mom, I Was Your Dad. That's all about the
incredible kid's past life memories. Now let's get to some
more story, shall we. Oh, But before I do, if
you're interested in finding out more of this work, the
website's kind of confusing, But if you just want to
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type into Google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation, you will
be taken to the University of Virginia and you can
explore more there. This next story comes from the country
of Turkey involving a six year old boy identified as Ka,
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who claimed to remember a past life as a rich
man in Istanbul, some eight hundred and fifty kilometers away.
Ka spoke of living in a large three story house
right on the water, with boats tied up outside and
a church behind it. He said people called him Fistique
in that his wife and children had Greek first names.
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He vividly recalled his wedding taking place at Bodrum, a
coastal village. Disturbingly, he claimed he had been shot and
killed and that his wife was involved in the murder.
Researchers later investigated his claims and found a man named
Caracas who lived in Istanbul, who was indeed a wealthy
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Armenian Christian. He fit many of kas descriptions, including living
in a large house in Istanbul with boats tied behind it.
Caracas was also known to have a wife from a
grief Orthodox family whose family disapproved of the marriage. He
in fact was shot and killed, and there was indeed
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talk that his wife was involved in his death. Next,
we have an extraordinary case involving a modern child and
a famous historical figure. Barbara Carlin born in Sweden, nine
years after Ann Frank died From a very young age,
Barbara insisted her real name was Anne and that her
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family should call her that. She even told her parents
that they weren't her real mother and father. As a child,
Barbara's family, unfamiliar with the Anne Frank story, even consulted
a psychiatrist, thinking she was lost in a fantasy world. However,
at age ten, during a family trip to Amsterdam, Barbara's
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connection became undeniable. She instinctively knew how to get to
Anne Frank's house and pointed out the steps outside that
had been changed. Once inside Anne's room, she felt an
overwhelming sense of fear, but refused to leave. She told
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her mother that there had been pictures on the wall
placed there by Anne herself. Anne Frank's father, Otto Frank,
had removed the pictures after the war for preservation. Barbara's
mother was stunned, finally understanding her daughter's lifelong insistence. Years later,
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Barbara even met Anne Frank's cousin, who told reporters he
believed Barbara was the reincarnation of Anne. Here's an interesting
story for you. It starts out on a golf driving range.
Imagine a boy not even old enough for preschool picks
up a golf club and stuns his parents with a
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swing so perfect, so natural, it seems impossible. But his
incredible talent was just the beginning of the mystery. He
began to talk about his other house and his other
mommy and daddy. So his father, looking for answers, showed
him a book with photos of six legendary golfers. The
little boy pointed to one man without a moment's hesitation.
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It was the great Bobby Jones. The boy said, that's me.
The details that followed were chilling. The boy spoke of
golf courses from the nineteen twenties and thirties. He knew
all about Jones's famous rival, Walter Hagen, but the most
stunning detail was his name. Whenever anyone called him Bobby,
he would get angry, stomping his foot and insisting, I'm
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not Bobby, I'm Bob. It was a small thing, but
it was a preference that the real Bobby Jones was
known to have his entire life wanting to be called Bob,
not Bobby. The next is a modern and chilling story
coming from Ris White, whose four year old daughter shared
a disturbing memory in twenty eighteen. Ris was looking at
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the nine to eleven memorial posts on social media when
her daughter pointed to an image of the Twin Towers
and calmly said, hey, Mom, I used to work there. Ris,
feeling uneasy, asked her daughter when this was The young
girl simply replied before She then described a morning at
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work when the floor got really hot. She and her
friends tried to escape through a door, but it wouldn't open.
Her chilling account concluded with her saying she then jumped
out of the window and flew like a bird. Mom
Wriss was deeply shaken, especially as her daughter had never
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been told about nine to eleven. The details of the
hot floor, the jam door, and the jump are strikingly
specific to actual survivor accounts from the Twin Towers. This
powerful spontaneous memory from such a young child with no
known prior exposure to the event is eerie but compelling.
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Modern case doctor Jim Tucker says that he does not
engage in extensive meditating practices or psychic exploration himself. He
has come to a point where the question of whether
we reincarnate or even survive has become less important to
him personally. What truly is important, He says is that
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this life and the experiences and interactions we have with
people now we should try to be at peace with that,
regardless of what comes later. So back to the beginning,
having no fear of do we reincarnate, don't we? We
will continue on and after close to two hundred and
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fifty episodes, now I hope you can see and be
comforted that our consciousness does survive death. That will open
our eyes, be reunited with our loved ones and even
our pets in a place that's so familiar, similar to Earth.
What happens in the future, if part of us comes back,
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or if someday our soul chooses to come back, we
have to trust that our future selves will have it
all handled. I do believe that if we know that
our existence extends beyond on this body, it really does
empower us to live a better life now. Doctor Jim
Tucker's perspective aligns with the idea of a consciousness system.
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The fact that seventy percent of the cases he studied
involves traumatic deaths suggests that perhaps these souls are returning
to process and heal from these experiences, and if they
do come to this life with specific things to work
on traumatic deaths may increase the likelihood of memories surfacing
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as part of that healing process. Doctor Tucker also touched
on near death experiences, which is another area of research
at the Division of Perceptual Studies spearheaded by his colleague
doctor Bruce Grayson. NDEs occur when people come very close
to death or even when their hearts stop, yet instead
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of their minds shutting down, they experience sharpened awareness. Of course,
many describe floating above their bodies, observing resuscitation efforts, encountering
de ceased loved ones, experiencing an overwhelming sense of love
and light, and we've often talked about the life review.
These are life transforming experiences, and similarities between endes and
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some of the children's past life memories further suggests a
continuity of consciousness beyond physical death. Let us not forget
that some of the great medium readings and these after
death communications happen when we go into a quiet receptive state,
the daydream state, or we ask a question and just
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allow it to surface in whichever way it wants to,
or just before we go to bed at night, or
just when we wake up in the morning. Recognizing that
this space in our mind might be our connection to consciousness,
or another person's consciousness, or the larger consciousness system. The
more we human beings stay in this open, receptive state,
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I think, the more we might be able to access
the deeper truths. Doctor Jim Tucker's work reminds us that
our physical state, our energy levels, our emotional state, even
external factors like caffeine or illness can affect our ability
to connect with these vibrational states of consciousness. With that
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grant he is received, he's going to continue with these research. Ultimately.
Doctor Tucker's journey and conclusions, of course, deeply resonate with
our core messages here on Shades of the Afterlife, He
too believes that our soul never dies, It transforms, integrates,
and continues its eternal journey. I know this understanding doesn't
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eliminate grief, but it gives us hope. The connections we
have here, especially through love, do transcend physical back boundaries.
Our loved ones are not lost. They continue their own journey,
as will we, maintaining those bonds of affection across dimensions,
beyond time and through whatever transformations they may bring. To
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learn more about doctor Jim Tucker's incredible work. Again, you
can just google Division of Perceptual Studies Reincarnation. You can
also check out his books Life Before Life, a Scientific
Investigation of children's memories of previous lives and Return to
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Life Extraordinary Cases of children who remember past lives. And
of course don't forget to come visit me at We
Don't Die dot com. If you don't yet have a
copy of my book, just enter your name and email
address at the bottom of the page. There's some other
goodies that you will receive via email for me if
you do. Also, every Sunday two pm New York time,
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we have a free ninety minute online empowering service called
our Sunday Gathering. I promise it'll leave you with a
smile on your face, and we do medium demonstrations within
every gathering. So I thank you for taking the time
to delve into this curious topic of reincarnation. I'm Sanders Champlain.
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