July 12, 2025 • 13 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and Los Angeles private investigator Nils Grevillius discuss the disclosure by the Department of Justice that there was no client list in the Jeffrey Epstein case, if he believes the official statements about the case or if a coverup is happening, and how to get justice for the victims.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Los Angeles based private eye Nils Gervillius stays with us,
the author of Skull Diggery and Subrosa, and we're talking
about the Epstein case, the client list. It sounded like
Attorney General Pam Bondi was referring to the client list
on her desk and she was ready to release it.
(00:26):
And then she said, well, it wasn't the client list.
I was talking about the Epstein file sort of in
its totality that I was going to review. Is there
a client list and what happened to it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, yes, sir, there is a client list.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
The Wall Street Journal yesterday released a partial of it,
not from the official files of the Justice Department. Richard,
I can't answer for Attorney General Bondie, but her answer
suggests to me that this is a long term counterintelligence
(01:05):
operation and she may not know where to go. Maybe
one part of it, and the other part maybe that
she's lying, and a third part maybe that men like
Jim Denney, whom we were discussing he was the head
of the FBI Southern District of New York, may have
(01:28):
just concealed it or destroyed it on his way out
the door. His last instruction to his subordinates at Southern District,
New York was to dig in to outlast Bondy and
Trump and everything else and try to slow walk every
single item of important justice like they did from twenty
(01:50):
seventeen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So what about justice for these victims, perhaps a thousand victims,
young girls, young women, scarred for life, damaged beyond. I
can't imagine what they went through where I mean, So
we're supposed to forget about them because this was some
(02:16):
sort of useful intelligence asset, This honey trapped scheme was
netting valuable intelligence information. Perhaps again, what about justice for
the young girls?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well again, Richard, when did intelligence agencies hours are theirs?
Ever take these considerations into account? How about when the
CIA told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass
destruction and we lost tens of thousands of people American.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Allies, and then how many.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Hundred thousand Iraqis were killed in that to satisfy what?
I don't think the CIA was being honest with us,
honest with President Bush. I think President Bush was utterly hypnotized.
Maybe Vice President Cheney had a better idea of what
was actually going on, which may be why so many
(03:20):
people think that he's a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So if the client list is destroyed, why not just
interview the victims and find out, you know who the
Johns were.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And if this were my case to conduct, and I
had power of subpoena and search warrant, and I could
impanel a grand jury, let's say a federal grand jury,
I'd do it in Florida, where the case originated, where
Epstein was a resident.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I would not do it in DC. You saw what occurred.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
When they brought limited charges against Justice Department people associated
with Crossfire Hurricane, and nothing arose of it because everybody
in DC.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Works for the monster.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
And speaking of Crossfire Hurricane, that's a great example. John
Durham was charged with conducting a thorough investigation of what
led to Crossfire Hurricane as a special counsel. A couple
of weeks ago, it was disclosed that ninety percent of
the material related to Crossfire Hurricane was concealed from him
(04:39):
in his investigation by the Justice Department and FBI under
the rubric again of counterintelligence operations.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So how do the intelligent intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
How do they manage to manipulate information in cases involving
I don't know elites. Let's say, how do they do it?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
They present something for people to chew on while diverting
their interest to something else. Look at what we did
in Libya with Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes and those
people running that job for Bho, where suddenly we need
(05:25):
to bomb the hell out of Libya and take Momar
Kadafi out of office. And Bho had ran and distinguished
himself from Hillary Clinton in two thousand and eight by
assuring everybody that he would never have gone to war
in Iraq, and then he immediately went to war in Libya.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It doesn't pass the smell test.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So they give you something to focus your attention on
while they do something behind your back. How about Haiti
in nineteen ninety four, What was our interest in Haiti?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Why did we invade Haiti?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
We installed some silly priest on the throne of Haiti
and sent billions of dollars of aid American trips to Haiti.
And this man was a friend of Jesse Jackson. My
question is, did Reverend Jackson get a kickback from heirs
to eat. Did Jackson get some of that aid money?
(06:26):
I'm just wondering, why did we invade Haiti? What was
the justification for that? How about bombing the hell out
of Belgrade, Serbia to the benefit of the Kosovars allegedly,
how did that benefit American national security? What was the
real object of that? There are some who have argued
(06:49):
that that was the origin of Russian hostility post Cold
War to our security agenda because they've always considered the
Serbs their little They went to war in nineteen fourteen
to protect Serbian interests.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So these things are distractions.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, if you were tasked, go ahead, And I'm sorry, So.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was just going to getting back to probing Epstein's
network today because they're saying, basically, this is case closed.
But I'm wondering, you know, is it doesn't have to be.
What if you were again independently probing this, what key
angles or leads would you pursue beyond the official narrative.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I would be pulling in every special agent, every jailer,
every US attorney who worked the case, and I would
be making them testify under oath as to what they saw,
what they heard I would fully depose every victim and
find out who brought them there, who they saw, what
(07:58):
condition they were in, what they were or promised, what
was communicated to them afterward. I don't think we have
a good honest picture of what really occurred with Epstein.
And I'm going to give you one more thing here
about this, Richard. I think the Epstein operation, the Jelen
Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein honeytrap, may still be yielding intelligence results
(08:26):
for MI six or the DGSSE, which is the French
equivalent of the CIA. I don't know which intelligence agency
is involved, or if it even was an intelligence operation,
but Richard, it sure looks like one. If this isn't
an intelligence operation that turned into a pile of garbage
(08:48):
for them, a risk for them, I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
It's so remarkable.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
The other the part that would cause me to believe
that they may have rolled it up point is Prince
Andrew blundering into the whole thing. That would make it
untenable if it was generally known that Prince Andrew got
involved or went over there looking for female companionship, as
was alleged by MS Gifre. I believe that Eventually we
(09:23):
will learn far more about this, but for the time being,
we can't trust our own security organs and intelligence organs.
I don't think that people at the top can trust
all of their subordinates.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Is it possible they can't release the client list because
it's it would be just too shocking that there are
so many people implicated in this that from both parties sitting,
you know, legislators, judges, donors on both sides of the aisle,
(10:01):
that he could, I don't know cause a civil war.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't know that it would cause a civil war, Richard.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think we've been in a civil war since two thousand,
a slow burn, low intensity conflict, civil war in the
West that just got heated up with.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
A nine to eleven attack.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And we've got people being assassinated in this country, healthcare executives,
people making attempts on presidential candidates. I had a conversation
at a charity event at a posh private club in
downtown Los Angeles a couple of months ago with a
(10:42):
recognizable Democrat political candidate who intimated to me at dinner
that he was terrified of being assassinated by Antifa. He's
a Democrat candidate I'm not going to identify him or
the office that that he might seek, but if if
I told you the name, you'd know exactly who I'm
(11:05):
whom I'm speaking of.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
All Right, So do you think we'll ever get to
the to the truth eventually? I mean, is it possible
to impanel? I don't know, a citizen's what do they
call that a grand jury? A citizen's grand jury? Or
I mean, is this the end of it? Just because
(11:31):
the DJ says case closed.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I'm I believe that Pam Bondy or if she winds
up getting replaced, We'll absolutely have to do that, and
not in DC or New York. It will have to
take place in the state where you have a reliable
jury pool. That's why I'd say Florida, because that was
Jeffrey Epstein's hometown, that that was where the original case
(11:56):
was brought against him, and there's a great jurisdictional law
you meant for doing it in Florida. I wouldn't trust
a DC jury any farther than I could throw the
lot of them in the bus.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
In the meantime, it looks like FBI Director Cash Battel
and Deputy Director Dan Bongino are just absolutely furious. There's
some suggestion that one or both of them may resign.
Where do you think this is all going? I mean,
could this destroy the tear of the Trump administration apart?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, Richard, I think that that Donald Trump is ultimately
a bit like Bonaparte in the good way. You know
that Smoi Donald Trump has been counted out one hundred
times over the last forty years, and they always comes back.
But if these things are true about deputy director Bongino,
(12:58):
Director Patel, it's a real problem. And you know that
the traditional media would love to sew seeds of discord.
You haven't heard anything out of the mouth of Patel
or Bongina.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Today.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The White House issued a statement about how it's a
cohesive team and everybody's working together and unlessen until President
Trump says something, because remember when he had problems with
Jeff Sessions, he immediately called for sessions resignation. If Trump
thought there was a problem, I don't think he'd hesitate
(13:36):
to call for Bondy to resign.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Los Angeles based private eye Nils Gervillius stays with us,
the author of Skull Diggery and Subrosa, and we're talking
about the Epstein case, the client list. It sounded like
Attorney General Pam Bondi was referring to the client list
on her desk and she was ready to release it.
(00:26):
And then she said, well, it wasn't the client list.
I was talking about the Epstein file sort of in
its totality that I was going to review. Is there
a client list and what happened to it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, yes, sir, there is a client list.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
The Wall Street Journal yesterday released a partial of it,
not from the official files of the Justice Department. Richard,
I can't answer for Attorney General Bondie, but her answer
suggests to me that this is a long term counterintelligence
(01:05):
operation and she may not know where to go. Maybe
one part of it, and the other part maybe that
she's lying, and a third part maybe that men like
Jim Denney, whom we were discussing he was the head
of the FBI Southern District of New York, may have
(01:28):
just concealed it or destroyed it on his way out
the door. His last instruction to his subordinates at Southern District,
New York was to dig in to outlast Bondy and
Trump and everything else and try to slow walk every
single item of important justice like they did from twenty
(01:50):
seventeen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So what about justice for these victims, perhaps a thousand victims,
young girls, young women, scarred for life, damaged beyond. I
can't imagine what they went through where I mean, So
we're supposed to forget about them because this was some
(02:16):
sort of useful intelligence asset, This honey trapped scheme was
netting valuable intelligence information. Perhaps again, what about justice for
the young girls?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well again, Richard, when did intelligence agencies hours are theirs?
Ever take these considerations into account? How about when the
CIA told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass
destruction and we lost tens of thousands of people American.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Allies, and then how many.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Hundred thousand Iraqis were killed in that to satisfy what?
I don't think the CIA was being honest with us,
honest with President Bush. I think President Bush was utterly hypnotized.
Maybe Vice President Cheney had a better idea of what
was actually going on, which may be why so many
(03:20):
people think that he's a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So if the client list is destroyed, why not just
interview the victims and find out, you know who the
Johns were.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And if this were my case to conduct, and I
had power of subpoena and search warrant, and I could
impanel a grand jury, let's say a federal grand jury,
I'd do it in Florida, where the case originated, where
Epstein was a resident.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I would not do it in DC. You saw what occurred.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
When they brought limited charges against Justice Department people associated
with Crossfire Hurricane, and nothing arose of it because everybody
in DC.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Works for the monster.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
And speaking of Crossfire Hurricane, that's a great example. John
Durham was charged with conducting a thorough investigation of what
led to Crossfire Hurricane as a special counsel. A couple
of weeks ago, it was disclosed that ninety percent of
the material related to Crossfire Hurricane was concealed from him
(04:39):
in his investigation by the Justice Department and FBI under
the rubric again of counterintelligence operations.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So how do the intelligent intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
How do they manage to manipulate information in cases involving
I don't know elites. Let's say, how do they do it?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
They present something for people to chew on while diverting
their interest to something else. Look at what we did
in Libya with Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes and those
people running that job for Bho, where suddenly we need
(05:25):
to bomb the hell out of Libya and take Momar
Kadafi out of office. And Bho had ran and distinguished
himself from Hillary Clinton in two thousand and eight by
assuring everybody that he would never have gone to war
in Iraq, and then he immediately went to war in Libya.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It doesn't pass the smell test.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So they give you something to focus your attention on
while they do something behind your back. How about Haiti
in nineteen ninety four, What was our interest in Haiti?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Why did we invade Haiti?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
We installed some silly priest on the throne of Haiti
and sent billions of dollars of aid American trips to Haiti.
And this man was a friend of Jesse Jackson. My
question is, did Reverend Jackson get a kickback from heirs
to eat. Did Jackson get some of that aid money?
(06:26):
I'm just wondering, why did we invade Haiti? What was
the justification for that? How about bombing the hell out
of Belgrade, Serbia to the benefit of the Kosovars allegedly,
how did that benefit American national security? What was the
real object of that? There are some who have argued
(06:49):
that that was the origin of Russian hostility post Cold
War to our security agenda because they've always considered the
Serbs their little They went to war in nineteen fourteen
to protect Serbian interests.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So these things are distractions.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, if you were tasked, go ahead, And I'm sorry, So.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was just going to getting back to probing Epstein's
network today because they're saying, basically, this is case closed.
But I'm wondering, you know, is it doesn't have to be.
What if you were again independently probing this, what key
angles or leads would you pursue beyond the official narrative.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I would be pulling in every special agent, every jailer,
every US attorney who worked the case, and I would
be making them testify under oath as to what they saw,
what they heard I would fully depose every victim and
find out who brought them there, who they saw, what
(07:58):
condition they were in, what they were or promised, what
was communicated to them afterward. I don't think we have
a good honest picture of what really occurred with Epstein.
And I'm going to give you one more thing here
about this, Richard. I think the Epstein operation, the Jelen
Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein honeytrap, may still be yielding intelligence results
(08:26):
for MI six or the DGSSE, which is the French
equivalent of the CIA. I don't know which intelligence agency
is involved, or if it even was an intelligence operation,
but Richard, it sure looks like one. If this isn't
an intelligence operation that turned into a pile of garbage
(08:48):
for them, a risk for them, I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
It's so remarkable.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
The other the part that would cause me to believe
that they may have rolled it up point is Prince
Andrew blundering into the whole thing. That would make it
untenable if it was generally known that Prince Andrew got
involved or went over there looking for female companionship, as
was alleged by MS Gifre. I believe that Eventually we
(09:23):
will learn far more about this, but for the time being,
we can't trust our own security organs and intelligence organs.
I don't think that people at the top can trust
all of their subordinates.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Is it possible they can't release the client list because
it's it would be just too shocking that there are
so many people implicated in this that from both parties sitting,
you know, legislators, judges, donors on both sides of the aisle,
(10:01):
that he could, I don't know cause a civil war.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't know that it would cause a civil war, Richard.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think we've been in a civil war since two thousand,
a slow burn, low intensity conflict, civil war in the
West that just got heated up with.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
A nine to eleven attack.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And we've got people being assassinated in this country, healthcare executives,
people making attempts on presidential candidates. I had a conversation
at a charity event at a posh private club in
downtown Los Angeles a couple of months ago with a
(10:42):
recognizable Democrat political candidate who intimated to me at dinner
that he was terrified of being assassinated by Antifa. He's
a Democrat candidate I'm not going to identify him or
the office that that he might seek, but if if
I told you the name, you'd know exactly who I'm
(11:05):
whom I'm speaking of.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
All Right, So do you think we'll ever get to
the to the truth eventually? I mean, is it possible
to impanel? I don't know, a citizen's what do they
call that a grand jury? A citizen's grand jury? Or
I mean, is this the end of it? Just because
(11:31):
the DJ says case closed.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I'm I believe that Pam Bondy or if she winds
up getting replaced, We'll absolutely have to do that, and
not in DC or New York. It will have to
take place in the state where you have a reliable
jury pool. That's why I'd say Florida, because that was
Jeffrey Epstein's hometown, that that was where the original case
(11:56):
was brought against him, and there's a great jurisdictional law
you meant for doing it in Florida. I wouldn't trust
a DC jury any farther than I could throw the
lot of them in the bus.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
In the meantime, it looks like FBI Director Cash Battel
and Deputy Director Dan Bongino are just absolutely furious. There's
some suggestion that one or both of them may resign.
Where do you think this is all going? I mean,
could this destroy the tear of the Trump administration apart?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, Richard, I think that that Donald Trump is ultimately
a bit like Bonaparte in the good way. You know
that Smoi Donald Trump has been counted out one hundred
times over the last forty years, and they always comes back.
But if these things are true about deputy director Bongino,
(12:58):
Director Patel, it's a real problem. And you know that
the traditional media would love to sew seeds of discord.
You haven't heard anything out of the mouth of Patel
or Bongina.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Today.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The White House issued a statement about how it's a
cohesive team and everybody's working together and unlessen until President
Trump says something, because remember when he had problems with
Jeff Sessions, he immediately called for sessions resignation. If Trump
thought there was a problem, I don't think he'd hesitate
(13:36):
to call for Bondy to resign.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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