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Jeremiah Horstman joins Captain Ron to explain his latest investigations into the government’s involvement in deep underground Military Bases, UFOs, and Portals.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome to
Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're going to
be speaking with Jeremiah Horseman, who's a lifelong paranormal researcher.
He's based in Sedona, Arizona, where he spent over a
decade investigating various UFOs and various military activity in the area.
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As well as looking into what very well may be
a secret underground base. He's also investigated the famous Bradshaw Ranch,
which has been known to have lots of UFO sightings
and different high strangeness and paranormal activity on the property.
It's going to be fun talking to him. Hey, Jeremiah,
how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Hey, Ron doing great. Thanks for having me. It's wonderful
to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Absolutely so listen. You guys have recently been featured on
a TV show on News Nation where you were interviewed
by Ross Colhart, and that was a very interesting piece.
It was you and your girlfriend Alexandra. You guys talked
about the different mysteries near Sedona. Let us know what
sort of activity you're seeing out there.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
As of September of twenty twenty three, we have a
heightened amount of anomalous activity in the skies and that
primarily for Sedona. As you know, it's very common for
people to come here and see UFOs, UAPs and high strangers.
But this particular case was a bit different from the norm.
Where a friend of ours that you share as well,
Melinda Leslie, had called that late September and said, Jeremiah,
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Alexander you need to come out with me. You have
to see this. There's something going on. And that's what
started this because what she was seeing with her guests
were sets of UFOs, sometimes they were in sets, sometimes singular,
of amber colored balls of light coming up from the
what we call the Sycamore Basin, so the Sycamore Canyon area,
which is huge. It's about a twenty seven mile long
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canyon that runs roughly north to south from the Flagstaff
area all the way down to the base of the
Mingus Mountains. It's a huge canyon and the center of
it is about seven miles in width, and that's called
the Sycamore Basin, and these lights appear to be coming
up from that area. So we were busy that particular
night when she called, and she was unusually very emotional,
and so I hauled her back and I said, what's
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going on? She said, I don't know. You have to
get out here. You have to see this. It's happening
every night. So a few weeks later we went out
with her and she had clients with her, and she said,
I'm maybe driving fast, try to keep up there coming
up at the same time every night. And when she
drove us to a place where she doesn't normally do
her tours. It's a place roughly halfway between Cottonwood and Sedona,
a rural road called Bill Gray Road. And she's flying
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down this road. Brother, she's kicking up dust. We can
barely see where we're going. In fact, we had to
pull over because we actually couldn't see, and she was
like a rocket. We could see the red lights through
the dust down the road. So we catch up with
her and she's pulled off the side of the road.
Now she's already jumped out of her car and she's
passing out her very nice night vision, its military grade
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night vision. So I'm trying to at mine on. I
think I had mine upside down at the moment, but
Alexander goes right to it, and she points toward Black
Mountain and Kaser Mountain, which are to the northwest of
where we are. And on the other side of Black
Mountain and Kaser Mountain is this Sycamore Base and Sycamore Canyon,
so we're looking in that direction. Alejanda has the goggles
on for just moments. She says, oh, my gosh, there
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they are. But Algi, I said, I see helicopters and
she starts counting out loud, one, two, three, and I
think she got up to seventeen. She could see seventeen
black Hawk helicopters and they were all at the same altitude,
and they were spaced in intervals like they were waiting
for something. And she's saying this out loud, it looks
like they're waiting for something. And Molisa says, just wait,
you'll see what they're waiting for. Just wait, you'll see.
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And I think not even five to ten minutes went
by as we're watching these helicopters that are relatively stationary,
and this first huge amber ball of light rises up
from behind Black Mountain comes up, and it gets to
kind of a crescendo of brightness what she calls a
power up. It gets really bright to where we had
to pull the goggles away from our eyes because it
was making a ringer. You couldn't see through the goggles
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because it was giving off so much light and you
can see the amber light with your bare eyes from
that distance. Is that it got really bright and the dimmed.
We put the goggles back on our faces, and as
it did so, two helicopters broke formation and joined it.
And it moved to the southwest over Mingus Mountain and
the two helicopters followed it. So we're all shouting out loud,
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what is this, what's going on? And she said, just wait,
just wait, keep watching, don't take your eyes off the target.
We put our goggles back on. We're looking that direction.
On the second amber ball of light comes up from
behind the mountain, gets really bright, same pattern as the
first one. It starts to dim, and two more helicopters
break off and follow it. So we watched this pattern
transpire probably a period of thirty minutes, and more balls
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of light come up and follow are followed by These
helicopters were more likely escorted over Mingus Mountain by which
time it's over and she takes the goggles out. She goes, well,
there it is. What do you think? I said, that
is very strange. It looks like there's human involvement in this.
She goes, well, there is. She said, I had a
an Air Force colonel with me, she's a colonel or
lieutenant colonel, who was looking at his activity with her
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and said this is highly unusual. And he had a
special app on his phone which was more or less
like an airplane tracking application or an app on his phone,
and you can see where it's basically a radar as well.
You can see where craft are coming off the ground.
And he was telling her whatever these are, they're coming
up to server that mountain near that this crevice and
she goes, oh, yeah, that's Sycamore Sycamore Canyon. And he said,
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is there an airport over there? She said no, no,
there's absolutely nothing over there but very rugged desert wilderness.
There's nothing out there. So that's what kicked this whole
investigation off in Earnest And as far.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
As a hold on, you said that it was human activity. Obviously,
it's human activity. You're watching these black Hawk helicopters. Sure, obviously,
So what makes you think it has anything to do
with non humans?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Well, before that, one of the most common things that
people will come to Cite to see are the UFO tours.
In a lot of cases, what they are seeing in
the sky is So there's a number of theories as
to why we believe there's an active portal here. We know,
I believe it, I know.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
But you're saying that, but why if it's got all
these black helicopters, why would it not be something that
our military is testing or using.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Well, you're getting ahead of me there, it is. We've
identified several of the firms that are out there underground
in a facility that's under the Sycamore basin. One of
them is Lockheed Martin, and one is Teldyne, and another
one is called Global. There's actually more than that out there,
but we're going on a confirmed whistleblower. The first one
I met and got to know personally who had worked
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out there. And I met this gentleman at a party
and he heard me talking about what we had seen,
and he laughed and he walked over and said, are
you talking about the base over there? And he thumbed
over her shoulder and I said, yeah, do you know
anything about it? He goes, for sure, I worked there.
I thought he was joking. So we all laughed and
I said you're serious, and he said, well, of course,
he said, I don't work there anymore. That was back
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in He went, oh, nineteen eighty seven. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait wait, you actually worked in that facility? He
said yeah, And I said, would you mind telling me
what you did, because it's really not a big deal.
He said, I worked security. I had my own After
I stopped working for the Central Intelligence Agency, I started
my own paramilitary contractor company. They said, we all go
back to our old bosses and the agency to get
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our first big gig. That was my first big gig
with my own company.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I said, Ky, Jeremiah, I think the big thing here,
the reason this is a big deal is because there
is no official military base anywhere near here. Right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
No, No, they officially acknowledged no. Doctor Richard Solder, who
wrote a book about underground bases, actually did get through
repeated FOYA document requests, the first official smoking gun confirmation
that we had seen, which is documented evidence from DARPA
and from the US Air Force and the Department of Energy,
which it was called ben it's no longer called the
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Department Energy, who were tasked way back in the fifties
with making underground facilities that we could use for defense purposes,
in this particular case R and D research and development.
In the nineteen seventies, they actually wanted to expand upon
some of them. This is also through doctor Sala's Research
and Freedom of Information Act. They wanted twelve super deep
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underground basis. And what I mean by super deep is
the Department of Defense was looking for something that was
deep enough they couldn't be penetrated by Russian ICBMs that
were designed to hit our underground facilities. They wanted something
deeper than these could go. So they came up with
a depth of four thousand to five thousand feet subsurface,
and they had a long list of criteria that they
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wanted a sandstone and soft crust of a desert, if
you will, with a hard basalt under it which we
could support the facility. And they sent geologists from the
Department of Energy out all over the country to find
at least twelve sites. It took them several years to
do it, but they did. They found twelve sites. Three
of those sites they is the Department of Defense, through
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the Department of Energy, DARPA, and the US Air Force.
So those agencies, if you will, well, two agencies and
one branch of the US military working together to find
a location and make this facility. When they came to
the site that's out here in the northwest of Sedona,
in the Sycamore Basin, it was already an existing site
that had been built in the nineteen fifties. It was
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kept very secret. All they did was expand upon it,
and they kept expanding upon it all the way up
into the nineteen nineties, which involves the Bradshaw Ranch. That's
when the Bradshaws were having their home shape, their cattle
being scared, their windows rallying at night, and water pipes
rallying because of the facility being extended under their property.
And when we were called by Tom Dongo. I'm sure
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you know Tom Dongo.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Of course, he's the guy that wrote all the books
on the Bradshaw Ranch. We need to take a break
here though, Jeremiah. When we come back, we're going to
talk to you more about this underground base and why
we think it's an underground base and what some people
in the local area are talking about it. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are back on Beyond Contact
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talking to Jeremiah Horseman here. Jeremiah tell us some of
the reasons that it seems that this could be a
military base because people have had experiences running into people
that could be or at least seem to be military.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right, Yes, yes, Tom had interviewed dozens of people with
what he described his military, what they described his military,
and he presumed that they were probably paramilitary contractors, because
there's law, of course, constitutional law that forbids the branches
of US Service, any branch of US Service, from engaging
in a hostile manner with the civil populace. It's against
the law, it's unconstitutional. However, those laws don't extend to
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the paramilitary cont tractor companies such as Blackwater and so on.
So he very keenly observed that they were probably paramilitary contractors,
but he wasn't really at that time going to focus
his energy on looking into it. Is modus apparandi, if
you will. When he first started almost forty years ago,
where the cryptis, the UFOs, the orbs and the other
anomous activity of which there's a lot in the Sonona area,
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And so he kind of put that on the back burner.
But he had a couple of friends that were working
with him that went full tilt into it and would
kind of report back to him what their witnesses would
tell them, what they themselves had encountered. One of his
friends in particular, had actually gone to one site up
on a Mingus mountain, so this is south of Sycamore Canyon,
and had a very nasty encounter on a rural road
with what he described as military, but they weren't. They
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were paramilitary contractors at a particular site. And he went
out there several times with a camera and the last
time they had lost their patients. They said, look, if
you come up here again, we'll shoot you. Do you understand,
Do not come up here again. So he goes back
to Tom and he says to Tom, you need to
come up here. You need to see this site. There's
an entrance that's camouflaged to look like a power terminal.
You've got to see it. And Tom said, there's no
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way I'm going up there. They told you you're going
to shoot you. He said, that's what they said. He goes, well,
you can go back up there. I'm never going anywhere
near that site. But Tom, of course, being a good man,
a good researcher, was documenting even the stuff he was
getting from other researchers that he trusted, like this man
who is a personal friend of his. Now, when I
first moved here, rumors of an underground base were ripe.
I laughed at them. I thought, yeah, that's pretty funny
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rumors of portals ortal short. That's you know, science fiction
right there. The things that I laughed at when I
first moved here, I am no longer laughing at, because
not only is there concrete, hard evidence of it being here,
the government is also here too because of much of
the anomalous activity that's going on to here, and in
certain locations they've actually seized properties because of the anomalous
activity that's going on here. One of the reasons why
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the underground base here was made larger than some of
the other underground bases because you've heard of Jake Barbour.
Of course, one of the jobs that he has or
had in the past was working for a certain research
and development firm, aerospace firm in recovering down et craft
down an hi craft and of course what they're doing
with that is reverse engineering it, and they've been doing
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this for decades. It's one of the biggest secrets hidden
behind the door of the US intelligence apparatus in this
country is the fact that NHI is here. The advanced
tech that they're bringing, a lot of it we do have,
and we're using for a nefarious purposes such as weaponizing it.
When it comes to this area here, it would appear
that they're doing much the same thing because the portal
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sites that are in the canyons and these are natural
portal sites wrong, which is we're giving it out.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Hold on, what do you I mean? That seems like
a big leap to go from there's a military base
under the ground, which I can absolutely believe. We've got
many accounts and videos of military helicopters and all of that.
That makes sense to me. Now to jump to there's
a vortex or a portal, what evidence or what is
the reason to speculate make that giant leap to all
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of a sudden, there's a portal here.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Okay, you're gonna love this. This get's even deeper and great.
So one of the best pieces of that is that
really concretes the fact that there is not one, but
several portal sites here. Some are more active than others.
They're natural geophysical points in this area, and it has
to have the natural geographical qualities to make them work,
such as the crystals in the ground. We have a
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lot of crystal here. The iron oxide which gives Sedona's
famous red rocks underground water causing friction and putting positive
negative ions up into the air, which were drawn to
each other when they collide, just like the Sanan Collider.
That's when the magic happens. Now, way back when we
still don't know exactly how far back, but probably in
the late fifties they discovered, the government discovered that there
were portals here and the NSI was using them at
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will to come and go. We've got several bits of
concrete evidence, but one of the best pieces landed. I
lapsed almost by accident again. Tom Dongo sent me a
video this past December. The video was posted on December
twenty sixth, just this past year, and the video was
posted by when the Molten Howel. It was a very
sentimental video about her late past cat and she was
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talking more about the transfer of energy, that death is
not a permanent thing, and she was talking about portals
and souls moving through portals and such. She talked about
nineteen eighty two, when she was an investigative reporter. She
was invited, or i should say ordered, by the network
for CBS to go to a newly constructed facility in Florida.
It was built by Martin Marietta. And of course they
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need no introduction in the aerospace defense world. They had
built the facility for astronauts for training astronauts in Florida.
She went down there and she met the astronauts, and
more or less staying in the shadows were a whole
group of top engineers from Martin Marrietta. She left, went
home and kind of thought, well, I'm done with that job.
She got a phone call out of the blue, and
when she answered the phone, the man said, I'm one
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of the Martin Marietta chief engineers. I met you in
Florida when you were here recently. I would like to
meet and talk with you because I have some serious
things I want to discuss with you, but I don't
want to talk about it over the phone. And when
she met this man, he explained to her, there are
natural portals in the world. Our government, our Department of Defense,
have discovered nine very active portals, only one of which
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is within the continental of the United States, in a
small canyon outside of Sedona, Arizona. Now again, this is
in nineteen eighty two, long before my investigation got cooking here.
So this piece of information.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Well bred ranch really had anything that didn't start till
like ninety two.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Absolutely, this is almost a decade before. So here she
is talking about this in the video, I'm already mind
blowing that she's bringing us up. The engineer is saying there,
telling her the reason they came to us is because
they were looking at this as a trojan horse. This
Department Offense did not like the fact that we had
secure borders at that time, but very advanced non human
intelligence with extremely advanced technology have a backdoor into our country.
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They can't control it, and they obviously can't shoot these
things down at the time, and so they wanted us
to come to the area and analyze this portal site
and see if there's any way that we could control
it or at least mitigate the amount of NHI that
was coming through it. They said that we did. They
were able to measure certain things at that time in
nineteen eighty two, and one of those things was the
con cave shape of the Earth's emfield. Whenever the portal
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would open and then ASI would come shooting out of it,
the concaid emfield would collapse in on itself right above
the portal area in the canyon. When they realized that
em to be major, they also had devices then they
could control it. They took a massive amount of power,
but they built a device. And this man actually made
a sketch of the device, and he even gave us
this sketch to Linda Moulton Howell to keep and he
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explained to her that they installed this device in this
small canyon right next to this portal site outside of Sedona, Arizona,
and they had to build a shack, a brick windowless
shack is what he described it, to house this device. Well,
I looked at Alexander, we know where it's at, and
we bolt just gasped because there's several places, more than several,
there's more like five places outside of Sedona that have
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fences around them, and there's no rhyme or reason to
why there's fences there. There's fences with government signs that
say no trespassing. It has the code and statute of
the types of penalties of course, that you will get
if you're caught trespassing there. At that time when we
found it, we weren't looking for a thank governmental We
were looking for Anna Sausey Cliff Dwellings pictographs because that
was one of our hobbies and documenting them in this
particular canyon. It's a very small canyon. We had gone
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in there and noticed there was nothing in there. There
was nothing except a small windowless shack with a lot
of power going into it, and I just kind of
steered clear of it because there were people government people
that were on the property that were watching that area
where the shack was, so we steered clear of it.
Went deep into the canyon where all the folliges, where
they couldn't see us. I went in there six times.
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After I came out the sixth time, I got caught
by a man with a Department of Defense dud badge.
And this man told me, I know you've been going
in there. I know how many times you'd gone in there,
and he was very serious. He said, you can't go
in here again, and he made an underhanded thready pointed
I was on a siding for her sake, you don't
want to be going in there. You don't wanny thing to
happen to her. And I said, no, I don't. Just
went that. We never went back there again, but I
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knew that something special was in there. I knew that
that shack had something special going on with it, because
all the power ups going into it, but I put
in the back of my mind. I didn't want to
go back there. I was frightened enough listening to what
this man was saying. He had this legit do d badge,
So I was done with it until later on Beyond
Skinwalker team came for their season one at their TV show.
They wanted Tom Dongo to show them around, but Tom
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was very ill at the time, and he called me
and said, would you mind taking up this documentary crew
and showing around brats rats because I simply don't want
to do it. I don't feel well.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Let's hold up right there, buddy, will pick this story
up on the other side of the break. Sure we
come back. We're going to find out what happened when
Jeremiah went out there. You're listening to be on Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah. Jeremiah,
pick it up there. So you're going to fill in
for Tom Dogo and you're gonna head out there with
these guys. Tell me how that went.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
So there was about a month of prep before they came.
They wanted maps, they wanted pin drops places to go.
And one of the things that struck me is they
were not only interested in the anomalous activity. They said,
there's rumors of underground bases, and they said, do you
have any idea where there might be any tunnels or entrances.
They said, well, sure, the Bradshay Ranch where you're going
to be is rumored to have a tunnel under it.
So I told them I would start right here on
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the ranch. And when they came, they brought all this
new equipment run It was incredible stuff. They had this
thing called a ud app or ufo adap. I think
it was for finding an amalous activity in their instantly
quicker than a human being could spot it, and then
recording it. They had technology they could read gamma race
they're coming across the ground. It could read it almost
like a video camera. And then they had separate contractor
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called Terra that came out with ground penetrating radar hanging
from a drone. So I gave them a spot where
I thought there was a straight line between two suspected
sites of military installations, and the straight line went right
through the ratch, and they wanted me to trace that
on the maps, which I did. Everybody with the project
had signed NBA's and they weren't allowed to talk about
even with each other. I didn't know that they had
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actually found the tunnel right where I suspected it was
until the episode aired. And so when the episode aired,
I was feeling very vindicated because the exact line that
I expected had a tunnel was there. But the thing
that was really profound was the size of it. It
was fifty feet in diameter, and they had basically they
called it mowing the lawn. In the pilot's a sense
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where the drone flies back and forth over a football
field left right after right, left right over a grid.
The entire length of the football field covered this tunnel.
It was straight and fifty feet in diameter. Now fast
forward to when News Nation came. News Nation wanted more
pin drop sites. I said, gosh, I've got even more
now suspected sites, so I must have given them six sites.
They said, well, I would like to start actually on
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the ranch property too, because I like to vindicate the Bradshaws.
The Broadshaw said that the shaking was coming from versely
run into their property. Well, if that straight line continues
towards Secret Mountain, which is definitely one of the sites
where people have encountered these military types.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
By the way, Jeremiah, you mean you mean Secret Mountain,
which just everybody knows that is literally the name of
the mountain, isn't there Government Mountain and secret Mountain. You
don't mean a secret mountain. You mean the name of
it is secret Mountain.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Secret Mountain. The nomenclature of a lot of the place
around here is really kooky. Run. So you've got Government Canyon,
which is right in the heart of the Sycamore basin
where these craft are coming out that we were getting
to earlier on in our talk. It's in the heart
of the Sycamore Basin. It's called Government Canyon, Secret Mountain.
Now behind that is a very difficult to get to
a place called secret Canyon. Secret Canyon is another location
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where people have had and probably the largest concentration of
nasty encounters with these military contractor types who seemingly come
out of nowhere with body armor, helmets, M four car
being side arms. Now again, this is that's public. By
the way, they don't have a right, they don't have
a constitution right to stop somebody in those public areas,
turn them around and tell them to go the other way.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yet every time I can't even imagine hiking and having
this confronted by some military guy with a gun.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Oh for sure, for sure. Now we had our own encounter,
really nasty encounter was during the COVID closure, and we
were in the rear of the most visited canyon in
all of Suddar's canyons, which is Buytant Canyon. Boytant Canyon.
When I first moved here, got about fifty thousand hikers
a year. Now it gets over three million a year.
It's just it's one of the most popular canyons of
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all the canyons here in Sedona. We went back there
at night, off trail deep into the rear of the canyon,
on the rear of the canyon, on the left hand side,
it's touching the tip of Secret Mountain, and that's where
we were. We were back there and we put a
drone up. Our drone was looking into an area where
we believed we had heard voices a week prior. The
voices shouldn't have been there, and then following those voices
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with a loud, hollow, metallic boom sounding like an armored
door being closed, we heard twice that night. So we
came back that week with our drone, thinking, well, if
there's a metal door up there or a back entrance,
we'll get our drone in close enough and we'll set
it to shooting four K and maybe we'll see it.
Even if it's camouflaged. Four K should see a linear
door or a linear shadow on these cliff walls. And
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so we put the drone up. We got three really
good flights of this area where we heard the voices from,
and we put the drone down. By now it's dark.
We pack up and we're leaving. We left the dry
wash and we got up to the side of this area.
It's kind of like a raised floodplain, but it's a
thicket too. It's really thick. Alexander's about eight paces behind me,
and I thought I saw somebody running and through the
thicket in front of me, dressed in black from my
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right to left, in the starlight that was coming through
the trees. I was so tired, I thought, Okay, my
eyes are playing tricks on me. I'm not actually seeing this,
So I didn't warn Alexander that there was somebody ahead
of us. We got to these stone circles in this
thicket that had been there were probably close to one
thousand years. They were put there by the ancient on
the Ssauzi, who built the cliff drollings here. I told Alexenda, hey,
we never come back here. I know your camera shoots
(25:58):
in the light. Why don't we get a couple of
photographs of theason. Let's get the heck out of here.
So she pulled out her camera. She took the first photo,
took the second photo, and then right in unison with
a third photo, a rifle shot went off right behind us,
and it was a suppressed five to five six rifle.
We've both fired suppressed five five six. It makes a
very distinct sound. It's not quiet like it is in
the movies. And you can also tell when the round
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is coming your way. And we both ran. The only
thing we could do was run, and we could hear
deer running as well, because they were so startled back there.
You could hear them tearing through the and snorting. And
we ran all the way back to where the public
trail is. And here's where it gets really weird. Run
sore on the public trail, and we're still scared as heck.
Roll cut up our hands are bleeding, and we're still
running full tilt to get back to the car, which
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is miles away. And as we're on the public trail
headed south, we hear a thud, thud, thud, thought a
very deep sounding rotor, a very distinct sounding rotor, and
I'm thinking to myself, that sounds like an old Army
UH one helicopter. I'm looking over my shoulders and running,
and sure enough I can see a UH one helicopter
just above the trees and it's coming up right behind us.
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It has a sole red lamp on the bottom, and
the red lamp is pointed in our direction. It followed
us all the way to the top of a resort
that's on the mouth of the canyon, and it turned around.
Here's the really wild point. If you've ever been to
Boyne Canyon, it's a narrow canyon. This pilot in the
dark turned that helicopter around below the canyon walls and
flew in disap period of the north. Now we ran
(27:22):
the west way out of there, got home, and I
told all JA was like, Okay, I guess that confirms
my suspicions that there is something in there. Because we're
on this tip of Secret Mountain. We're getting too close
to something. We fly the derone free times. Somebody clearly
doesn't want us in there because they shot at us.
And so if that was the last time we went
to that particular area in Boyne and again, mind you,
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that is a public area. Even though it's off trail.
Nobody can legally tell you you can't be there. And
most of the witnesses I've talked to who run into
these paramilitary contractor types have more or less the same
dialogue exchange with them, and it's very brief. Sometimes the
rifles are pointing at them in these gars. If you will,
we'll tell them this is the government operation, this is
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government property. Turn around and go back the way you came,
and do not come back here again. Now we met
another witness.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
This was by I done and gone.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We have not gone back to that site since, just
like the site where the portal site where Linna molten
Holl did confirm that an actual government contractor, Martin Marrietta
was contracted to control the portal site there. That site
was also confirmed when she met Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso
and Philip Courso. Of course, his name is now synonymous
(28:33):
with tech recovered from the Rosbolt crash. She was talking
to him about portal sites and she mentioned to youim
I thinking if I remember her conversation out loud, she said,
there's nine portal sites in the world that our Department
of Defense acknowledges. And she said, course, I look stunned,
and he reached out and grabbed her army. He said,
how the hell did you know about that? And she said, well,
I have my sources, and I'm not going to get
my sources up. They have to be kept in quiet.
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His face kind of the frost of his attitude, kind
of leading away. He said, well, you're right, there are
nine sites. He named them all, and the last one
he named was sending s on Arizona. So he confirmed
for her that there is a sight here, and that
is one of the reasons ron why there's a much
more higher concentration of anomost activity in this area. There's
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a door here. So not just the type of NHI
that people believe fly through space, then fly through our
atmosphere and come down from space that way, the traditional
way we would think of, but there's a way that
NHI comes from. Who knows how many dimensions. I think
somebody or the scientists had cerned. Forgive me if I'm wrong,
but somebody has said there's something like twelve dimensions that
they can confirm. Now, the same type of scientific properties
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that make the CERN collider work happen here naturally, But
the few sites around the globehere it happens naturally are very,
very very rare, because the scientific qualities that can make
the collision of the positive native ilons happen, with the
energy that has to be expended to make it happen
is very rare. It's just incredible when you really think
about the rarity of it. And then it happens to
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be in an area why shit, at Arizona, which is
so you know, it's a place where people come for
the beauty and the tranquility of the area. But I
think in fact you.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Thinking their tranquility. We need to take a break here.
Jeremiah will come right back on the other side of
this and we'll pick this up. We're going to find
out more about some of the strange things that we've
heard about happening at Bradshaw Ranch, which is very nearby
as well. You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are
(30:44):
back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah Horseman. Jeremiah, tell
us about this Bradshaw ranch that you've looked at as well.
We've had reports of UFOs going back to at least
nineteen ninety two. Have you personally seen anything on that property.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yes, yes, we we've been on the property now since
we've started, and again in August it'll be thirteen years ago.
We go there a minimum of once a week, sometimes
twice a week. Nine times out of ten it's quiet,
nothing happens. The other small percent of the time, when
stuff does happens, it's usually pretty intense. One of the
more recent times that we had been down there, I
was with a friend of mine who was a complete
skeptic and electrician here in town. He used to kind
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of pooh pooh and ha ha oh my friend Jeremiah
and his portals and UFOs and his cryptid investigations. All
he thought it was funny. I said, why don't you
come out with me, and you spend enough time with me,
you're going to experience something. Because the an almost activity,
the high strangest here is far greater in its frequency
than in most other locations. So come out with me. Well,
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he finally did, and he said, can I bring a friend.
I said, sure, the more eyes the merrier, because when
you've witnessed this stuff, sure you can tell other people
and I'll say you're full of it, you're crazy. When
you have the same people, their skeptics saying just those
phrases to you, and they see it with their own eyes,
that it changes their whole world, as you did for
me when I had my first experience. Now we were
at the Brats, our ranch, right in the center of
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the ranch. So the ranch itself is about ninety acres.
It's a big piece of property. The site that used
to be the old movie ranch, which Bob built in
nineteen seventy two and he called it Bitter Creek. It
was burned down by the government. They didn't want solicit attention,
they didn't want people coming down there to see it,
so one of the first things they did was to
burn it down. The property in general has an old
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adobe structure, which is the oldest structure on the property,
and that was from the old Hancock family that he
bought it from. His ranch house, which is kind of
cataco ined from it. Then on the north side of
the property is a cabin, a little white cabin with
two or three rooms, and then the cattle pens. We
were roughly right in the center. There's a dry wash
that runs from Loy Canyon almost north to south. It
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goes right through the center of the ranch. As we're
coming through this, this electrician got very excited, grabbed my
arm and said look, look, look. He turned around and
his female friend gasped, and coming up from ground level
was one of these famous triang shaped craft with the
lights show in the corners. They came up right in
front of all of us, went over hill and disappeared
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right in front of all four of us, So we
all four saw it, and that was on the that
was coming up on the north side of the property.
As we were seeing this, this orange shaped light unbeknounced
to me, Melinda Leslie. But my friend who does the
UFO tour, she's about probably seven miles away straight line
back near Sedona where she takes her tours. She and
her tour group saw the trying her craft come up
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as well. So it was a fantastic confirmation in two ways. First,
my friend, who was very skeptical the electricians saw this
and his friend saw it as well. And then about
seven miles away, Melinda Leslie with her tour also sees
it coming up from a distance, but to her and
her group it looked like one more of like a
ball of light. They couldn't see the triangle shape of it.
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But it came up at the exact same time as
when we saw it, and she was able to match
the time. When she's very good, she was able to
mark the time when I came up, and so I
was communicating with her. She said, you're never going to
believe what we saw tonight. And I was like, you
never believe what we saw and she said, wait, wait, wait,
let me tell you. She was saying what she said.
I said, hang on, what time did you see that?
And she told me. I said that you saw the
same thing we did and it must have not appeared
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structure to you. And she agreed, from the distance and
so on that they it'll look like one solid light.
But that was one of the more recent things we
saw there. I know a lot of people have still
a great deal of luck. Now the government still owns
the property, or I should say the US Forest Service
owns it, but one of the properties that they still guard.
So people will go down there in the parking lot
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area of the ranch, which is illegal, but once they
go on beyond, like where the front gate is and
so on, it's at the discretion of an individual. The
US Forest Service may come down there and they'll stop
people from going in there. There's broken glass, you know,
it's the band instructure, so they frown upon people going
in there, but they can't stop them. And there's no
longer any postage signs down there now for about two
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years after the Broadshaws were moved off the ranch, and
when I've interviewed John Bradshaw, Bob's son, twice about the property,
and he's very guarded, naturally about what he can say
about it. When I was pressing him about the reason
that the government took the property, he leaned back and
he smiled, a very very nice man, very polite. He said, Jeremiah,
(35:13):
he said, it's complicated. That's about all I can say
about the sale of the ranch. He said, you get
what I'm saying. I said, no, I understand. So at
that point I let go of pressing him for any
more information.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But give them an option. They were basically saying, look,
we're going to buy this.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
No, there was no they had no option at all.
That the rumor is that eminent domain was declared and
the government took the property. Now it wasn't just that property.
There are four other large properties in the area. It
just happened to be the more famous of the lot,
but four other properties were taken around the same time.
They were giving the owners a choice to take a check,
sign an NDA and forget about it. There was one holdout,
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and that was this old lady who was one of
the descendants of one of the old ranch pioneer families
here by the name of Hancock. She did not want
to sell their property. She's like, I've leatered myiad thought
my life. My grandfather was here and I'm going to
die here. And her lawyer said, look, you can't win
this one. I think you should take the check. And
that's how they got that property. She finally gave up,
(36:11):
and I can get it. She's in her nineties and
she doesn't want to give up her property, especially the
property out there is gorgeous property. I mean, you look
up and do a three sixty and these he's towering
red rock walls around you and free range cattle and
you can't hear cars, and you can't hear airplanes. It's
just beautiful. And that happened to about five different ranches
in the area. Each one's got a slightly different story.
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There's a few of them that will not talk at all.
But there's another man at one of those properties, one
of the smaller ones, who was telling all of his friends.
He was a retired scientist, but he was telling all
of his friends, there's a portal on my property. And
they laughed at him. He said, you need to come
to my property. There's a portal of my property and
things are crawling out of it at night. I see them.
I'm seriously seeing these things that's on my property. And
he said they look like bigfoot. He said, there's two
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of them that come out of this thing at night.
It's just a light that starts as a little spark
of light and opens up wide and these things come
out of it. And he said, then sometimes I see
them going back. Sparkle of light comes up, it opens
and they crawl back into it. This particular gentleman also
lost his property in just that manner. So it's very
very interesting when you see how many different people in
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this area, of various walks of life, different background on
This gentleman was a scientist. He was a very very
tenured scientist at that time. He was retired, but he
was still a sound mind. He was seeing us on
his property, and perhaps he spoke too much about it,
and that's how the government got winn about it, or
perhaps they already knew that part he's not talking about
and he's actually he actually passed away in not too
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long ago. So if I was to press him inform information,
I've lost my chance to do so. He's no longer
with us. But I do know where the property is.
I've been at that property several times. It's very very
close to the property where Martin Merritt set up its
shack to control the electro magnetic portion of the atmosphere above.
It's a vast story run and the fact that NHI
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with their advanced tech is coming through when you think
at it of it from a research and development or
even better yet, from a Department of Defense perspective, naturally,
first of all, it's a threat. It's that trojan horse
you want to control what's coming through it. Then you think, well,
what if we had that technology, And I think that
that's why they expanded the facility out here, and Lockheed
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is one of the key players. This is my theory.
With the portal site being controlled as it is, it
makes it simple. There's one of the underground entrances is
very near there on a dirt road which they control.
Think of the variables that they had when they had
the crash site at Roswell or the one of the Kingman.
They had to load those things on flatbeds with convoys
and military security, which people saw. Well. To have a
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portal site where this stelf is coming through, to control
the property, you have a door with extremely advanced tech
coming through it. Let's say they have a quota like
some of these aerospace firms have. What I'm told by
the whistleblower, a lot of these firms want to shoot
down two a year. Well, in this particular location outside
of Sedona. If you've got a portal site where these
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things come through, you simply send a train highly trained
recovery team, quarantine team to take care of the biologicals
and an the craft first, and then the movement team,
which simply has to take it underground from the very site.
All the security variables are now controlled. Nobody's going to
see it. Well, you've got complete control over the secrecy
of what you're taking under ground. They simply turn off
the device to send this shack. Now, again, this is conjecture.
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This is just my theory.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
I say, a lot of this is a reach, man,
I mean a lot of it is pretty thin, you
know what I mean. I mean, it's possible, and we
have heard reports on the Bradshaw rants about specifically even
alien grays and bigfoot being seen there and possibly people
think it wasn't there and then it pops in. So
that's why they speculated it was.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
A portal, right, right, And Linda Bradshaw herself had seen
the portal open on two occasions and she got a
photograph of what she believed was the portal opening, and
her son Victor was so keen on going out there
with her with his camera, dubbed the place lactic park
because the amount of phenomena that they were seeing there
with orbs. They literally saw four grays walking across their property.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, the stories are amazing, and they go all the way,
even the dinosaurs. I mean it gets pretty unbelievable. Let's
say that unbelievable. Hey, brother, we're out of time here, man.
How can people find you, Jeremiah?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Look me up on Facebook, just my name Jeremiah Horseman.
And if you were looking for more whistleblowers. By the way,
so we have legal protection for more whistleblowers. So if
anybody finds me and sends me a message, don't say
a thing you can't say on messenger, of course, but
let me know. You want to talk to somebody who's secure,
and I can put you in touch with the lawyers
we have who will put you under protection. Second office
(40:38):
people with their own encounters here and so they don't
they're seeing I'm documenting them. I would love to hear
from you. My namesake j E R E M I
A H my last name H O R S T
M A N on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
That works, man, That's a good place to find people,
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome to
Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're going to
be speaking with Jeremiah Horseman, who's a lifelong paranormal researcher.
He's based in Sedona, Arizona, where he spent over a
decade investigating various UFOs and various military activity in the area.
(01:29):
As well as looking into what very well may be
a secret underground base. He's also investigated the famous Bradshaw Ranch,
which has been known to have lots of UFO sightings
and different high strangeness and paranormal activity on the property.
It's going to be fun talking to him. Hey, Jeremiah,
how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Hey, Ron doing great. Thanks for having me. It's wonderful
to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Absolutely so listen. You guys have recently been featured on
a TV show on News Nation where you were interviewed
by Ross Colhart, and that was a very interesting piece.
It was you and your girlfriend Alexandra. You guys talked
about the different mysteries near Sedona. Let us know what
sort of activity you're seeing out there.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
As of September of twenty twenty three, we have a
heightened amount of anomalous activity in the skies and that
primarily for Sedona. As you know, it's very common for
people to come here and see UFOs, UAPs and high strangers.
But this particular case was a bit different from the norm.
Where a friend of ours that you share as well,
Melinda Leslie, had called that late September and said, Jeremiah,
(02:32):
Alexander you need to come out with me. You have
to see this. There's something going on. And that's what
started this because what she was seeing with her guests
were sets of UFOs, sometimes they were in sets, sometimes singular,
of amber colored balls of light coming up from the
what we call the Sycamore Basin, so the Sycamore Canyon area,
which is huge. It's about a twenty seven mile long
(02:54):
canyon that runs roughly north to south from the Flagstaff
area all the way down to the base of the
Mingus Mountains. It's a huge canyon and the center of
it is about seven miles in width, and that's called
the Sycamore Basin, and these lights appear to be coming
up from that area. So we were busy that particular
night when she called, and she was unusually very emotional,
and so I hauled her back and I said, what's
(03:15):
going on? She said, I don't know. You have to
get out here. You have to see this. It's happening
every night. So a few weeks later we went out
with her and she had clients with her, and she said,
I'm maybe driving fast, try to keep up there coming
up at the same time every night. And when she
drove us to a place where she doesn't normally do
her tours. It's a place roughly halfway between Cottonwood and Sedona,
a rural road called Bill Gray Road. And she's flying
(03:38):
down this road. Brother, she's kicking up dust. We can
barely see where we're going. In fact, we had to
pull over because we actually couldn't see, and she was
like a rocket. We could see the red lights through
the dust down the road. So we catch up with
her and she's pulled off the side of the road.
Now she's already jumped out of her car and she's
passing out her very nice night vision, its military grade
(03:58):
night vision. So I'm trying to at mine on. I
think I had mine upside down at the moment, but
Alexander goes right to it, and she points toward Black
Mountain and Kaser Mountain, which are to the northwest of
where we are. And on the other side of Black
Mountain and Kaser Mountain is this Sycamore Base and Sycamore Canyon,
so we're looking in that direction. Alejanda has the goggles
on for just moments. She says, oh, my gosh, there
(04:19):
they are. But Algi, I said, I see helicopters and
she starts counting out loud, one, two, three, and I
think she got up to seventeen. She could see seventeen
black Hawk helicopters and they were all at the same altitude,
and they were spaced in intervals like they were waiting
for something. And she's saying this out loud, it looks
like they're waiting for something. And Molisa says, just wait,
you'll see what they're waiting for. Just wait, you'll see.
(04:40):
And I think not even five to ten minutes went
by as we're watching these helicopters that are relatively stationary,
and this first huge amber ball of light rises up
from behind Black Mountain comes up, and it gets to
kind of a crescendo of brightness what she calls a
power up. It gets really bright to where we had
to pull the goggles away from our eyes because it
was making a ringer. You couldn't see through the goggles
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because it was giving off so much light and you
can see the amber light with your bare eyes from
that distance. Is that it got really bright and the dimmed.
We put the goggles back on our faces, and as
it did so, two helicopters broke formation and joined it.
And it moved to the southwest over Mingus Mountain and
the two helicopters followed it. So we're all shouting out loud,
(05:20):
what is this, what's going on? And she said, just wait,
just wait, keep watching, don't take your eyes off the target.
We put our goggles back on. We're looking that direction.
On the second amber ball of light comes up from
behind the mountain, gets really bright, same pattern as the
first one. It starts to dim, and two more helicopters
break off and follow it. So we watched this pattern
transpire probably a period of thirty minutes, and more balls
(05:43):
of light come up and follow are followed by These
helicopters were more likely escorted over Mingus Mountain by which
time it's over and she takes the goggles out. She goes, well,
there it is. What do you think? I said, that
is very strange. It looks like there's human involvement in this.
She goes, well, there is. She said, I had a
an Air Force colonel with me, she's a colonel or
lieutenant colonel, who was looking at his activity with her
(06:05):
and said this is highly unusual. And he had a
special app on his phone which was more or less
like an airplane tracking application or an app on his phone,
and you can see where it's basically a radar as well.
You can see where craft are coming off the ground.
And he was telling her whatever these are, they're coming
up to server that mountain near that this crevice and
she goes, oh, yeah, that's Sycamore Sycamore Canyon. And he said,
(06:27):
is there an airport over there? She said no, no,
there's absolutely nothing over there but very rugged desert wilderness.
There's nothing out there. So that's what kicked this whole
investigation off in Earnest And as far.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
As a hold on, you said that it was human activity. Obviously,
it's human activity. You're watching these black Hawk helicopters. Sure, obviously,
So what makes you think it has anything to do
with non humans?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Well, before that, one of the most common things that
people will come to Cite to see are the UFO tours.
In a lot of cases, what they are seeing in
the sky is So there's a number of theories as
to why we believe there's an active portal here. We know,
I believe it, I know.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
But you're saying that, but why if it's got all
these black helicopters, why would it not be something that
our military is testing or using.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Well, you're getting ahead of me there, it is. We've
identified several of the firms that are out there underground
in a facility that's under the Sycamore basin. One of
them is Lockheed Martin, and one is Teldyne, and another
one is called Global. There's actually more than that out there,
but we're going on a confirmed whistleblower. The first one
I met and got to know personally who had worked
(07:35):
out there. And I met this gentleman at a party
and he heard me talking about what we had seen,
and he laughed and he walked over and said, are
you talking about the base over there? And he thumbed
over her shoulder and I said, yeah, do you know
anything about it? He goes, for sure, I worked there.
I thought he was joking. So we all laughed and
I said you're serious, and he said, well, of course,
he said, I don't work there anymore. That was back
(07:56):
in He went, oh, nineteen eighty seven. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait wait, you actually worked in that facility? He
said yeah, And I said, would you mind telling me
what you did, because it's really not a big deal.
He said, I worked security. I had my own After
I stopped working for the Central Intelligence Agency, I started
my own paramilitary contractor company. They said, we all go
back to our old bosses and the agency to get
(08:17):
our first big gig. That was my first big gig
with my own company.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I said, Ky, Jeremiah, I think the big thing here,
the reason this is a big deal is because there
is no official military base anywhere near here. Right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
No, No, they officially acknowledged no. Doctor Richard Solder, who
wrote a book about underground bases, actually did get through
repeated FOYA document requests, the first official smoking gun confirmation
that we had seen, which is documented evidence from DARPA
and from the US Air Force and the Department of Energy,
which it was called ben it's no longer called the
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Department Energy, who were tasked way back in the fifties
with making underground facilities that we could use for defense purposes,
in this particular case R and D research and development.
In the nineteen seventies, they actually wanted to expand upon
some of them. This is also through doctor Sala's Research
and Freedom of Information Act. They wanted twelve super deep
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underground basis. And what I mean by super deep is
the Department of Defense was looking for something that was
deep enough they couldn't be penetrated by Russian ICBMs that
were designed to hit our underground facilities. They wanted something
deeper than these could go. So they came up with
a depth of four thousand to five thousand feet subsurface,
and they had a long list of criteria that they
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wanted a sandstone and soft crust of a desert, if
you will, with a hard basalt under it which we
could support the facility. And they sent geologists from the
Department of Energy out all over the country to find
at least twelve sites. It took them several years to
do it, but they did. They found twelve sites. Three
of those sites they is the Department of Defense, through
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the Department of Energy, DARPA, and the US Air Force.
So those agencies, if you will, well, two agencies and
one branch of the US military working together to find
a location and make this facility. When they came to
the site that's out here in the northwest of Sedona,
in the Sycamore Basin, it was already an existing site
that had been built in the nineteen fifties. It was
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kept very secret. All they did was expand upon it,
and they kept expanding upon it all the way up
into the nineteen nineties, which involves the Bradshaw Ranch. That's
when the Bradshaws were having their home shape, their cattle
being scared, their windows rallying at night, and water pipes
rallying because of the facility being extended under their property.
And when we were called by Tom Dongo. I'm sure
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you know Tom Dongo.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Of course, he's the guy that wrote all the books
on the Bradshaw Ranch. We need to take a break
here though, Jeremiah. When we come back, we're going to
talk to you more about this underground base and why
we think it's an underground base and what some people
in the local area are talking about it. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are back on Beyond Contact
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talking to Jeremiah Horseman here. Jeremiah tell us some of
the reasons that it seems that this could be a
military base because people have had experiences running into people
that could be or at least seem to be military.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right, Yes, yes, Tom had interviewed dozens of people with
what he described his military, what they described his military,
and he presumed that they were probably paramilitary contractors, because
there's law, of course, constitutional law that forbids the branches
of US Service, any branch of US Service, from engaging
in a hostile manner with the civil populace. It's against
the law, it's unconstitutional. However, those laws don't extend to
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the paramilitary cont tractor companies such as Blackwater and so on.
So he very keenly observed that they were probably paramilitary contractors,
but he wasn't really at that time going to focus
his energy on looking into it. Is modus apparandi, if
you will. When he first started almost forty years ago,
where the cryptis, the UFOs, the orbs and the other
anomous activity of which there's a lot in the Sonona area,
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And so he kind of put that on the back burner.
But he had a couple of friends that were working
with him that went full tilt into it and would
kind of report back to him what their witnesses would
tell them, what they themselves had encountered. One of his
friends in particular, had actually gone to one site up
on a Mingus mountain, so this is south of Sycamore Canyon,
and had a very nasty encounter on a rural road
with what he described as military, but they weren't. They
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were paramilitary contractors at a particular site. And he went
out there several times with a camera and the last
time they had lost their patients. They said, look, if
you come up here again, we'll shoot you. Do you understand,
Do not come up here again. So he goes back
to Tom and he says to Tom, you need to
come up here. You need to see this site. There's
an entrance that's camouflaged to look like a power terminal.
You've got to see it. And Tom said, there's no
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way I'm going up there. They told you you're going
to shoot you. He said, that's what they said. He goes, well,
you can go back up there. I'm never going anywhere
near that site. But Tom, of course, being a good man,
a good researcher, was documenting even the stuff he was
getting from other researchers that he trusted, like this man
who is a personal friend of his. Now, when I
first moved here, rumors of an underground base were ripe.
I laughed at them. I thought, yeah, that's pretty funny
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rumors of portals ortal short. That's you know, science fiction
right there. The things that I laughed at when I
first moved here, I am no longer laughing at, because
not only is there concrete, hard evidence of it being here,
the government is also here too because of much of
the anomalous activity that's going on to here, and in
certain locations they've actually seized properties because of the anomalous
activity that's going on here. One of the reasons why
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the underground base here was made larger than some of
the other underground bases because you've heard of Jake Barbour.
Of course, one of the jobs that he has or
had in the past was working for a certain research
and development firm, aerospace firm in recovering down et craft
down an hi craft and of course what they're doing
with that is reverse engineering it, and they've been doing
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this for decades. It's one of the biggest secrets hidden
behind the door of the US intelligence apparatus in this
country is the fact that NHI is here. The advanced
tech that they're bringing, a lot of it we do have,
and we're using for a nefarious purposes such as weaponizing it.
When it comes to this area here, it would appear
that they're doing much the same thing because the portal
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sites that are in the canyons and these are natural
portal sites wrong, which is we're giving it out.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Hold on, what do you I mean? That seems like
a big leap to go from there's a military base
under the ground, which I can absolutely believe. We've got
many accounts and videos of military helicopters and all of that.
That makes sense to me. Now to jump to there's
a vortex or a portal, what evidence or what is
the reason to speculate make that giant leap to all
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of a sudden, there's a portal here.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Okay, you're gonna love this. This get's even deeper and great.
So one of the best pieces of that is that
really concretes the fact that there is not one, but
several portal sites here. Some are more active than others.
They're natural geophysical points in this area, and it has
to have the natural geographical qualities to make them work,
such as the crystals in the ground. We have a
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lot of crystal here. The iron oxide which gives Sedona's
famous red rocks underground water causing friction and putting positive
negative ions up into the air, which were drawn to
each other when they collide, just like the Sanan Collider.
That's when the magic happens. Now, way back when we
still don't know exactly how far back, but probably in
the late fifties they discovered, the government discovered that there
were portals here and the NSI was using them at
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will to come and go. We've got several bits of
concrete evidence, but one of the best pieces landed. I
lapsed almost by accident again. Tom Dongo sent me a
video this past December. The video was posted on December
twenty sixth, just this past year, and the video was
posted by when the Molten Howel. It was a very
sentimental video about her late past cat and she was
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talking more about the transfer of energy, that death is
not a permanent thing, and she was talking about portals
and souls moving through portals and such. She talked about
nineteen eighty two, when she was an investigative reporter. She
was invited, or i should say ordered, by the network
for CBS to go to a newly constructed facility in Florida.
It was built by Martin Marietta. And of course they
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need no introduction in the aerospace defense world. They had
built the facility for astronauts for training astronauts in Florida.
She went down there and she met the astronauts, and
more or less staying in the shadows were a whole
group of top engineers from Martin Marrietta. She left, went
home and kind of thought, well, I'm done with that job.
She got a phone call out of the blue, and
when she answered the phone, the man said, I'm one
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of the Martin Marietta chief engineers. I met you in
Florida when you were here recently. I would like to
meet and talk with you because I have some serious
things I want to discuss with you, but I don't
want to talk about it over the phone. And when
she met this man, he explained to her, there are
natural portals in the world. Our government, our Department of Defense,
have discovered nine very active portals, only one of which
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is within the continental of the United States, in a
small canyon outside of Sedona, Arizona. Now again, this is
in nineteen eighty two, long before my investigation got cooking here.
So this piece of information.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Well bred ranch really had anything that didn't start till
like ninety two.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Absolutely, this is almost a decade before. So here she
is talking about this in the video, I'm already mind
blowing that she's bringing us up. The engineer is saying there,
telling her the reason they came to us is because
they were looking at this as a trojan horse. This
Department Offense did not like the fact that we had
secure borders at that time, but very advanced non human
intelligence with extremely advanced technology have a backdoor into our country.
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They can't control it, and they obviously can't shoot these
things down at the time, and so they wanted us
to come to the area and analyze this portal site
and see if there's any way that we could control
it or at least mitigate the amount of NHI that
was coming through it. They said that we did. They
were able to measure certain things at that time in
nineteen eighty two, and one of those things was the
con cave shape of the Earth's emfield. Whenever the portal
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would open and then ASI would come shooting out of it,
the concaid emfield would collapse in on itself right above
the portal area in the canyon. When they realized that
em to be major, they also had devices then they
could control it. They took a massive amount of power,
but they built a device. And this man actually made
a sketch of the device, and he even gave us
this sketch to Linda Moulton Howell to keep and he
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explained to her that they installed this device in this
small canyon right next to this portal site outside of Sedona, Arizona,
and they had to build a shack, a brick windowless
shack is what he described it, to house this device. Well,
I looked at Alexander, we know where it's at, and
we bolt just gasped because there's several places, more than several,
there's more like five places outside of Sedona that have
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fences around them, and there's no rhyme or reason to
why there's fences there. There's fences with government signs that
say no trespassing. It has the code and statute of
the types of penalties of course, that you will get
if you're caught trespassing there. At that time when we
found it, we weren't looking for a thank governmental We
were looking for Anna Sausey Cliff Dwellings pictographs because that
was one of our hobbies and documenting them in this
particular canyon. It's a very small canyon. We had gone
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in there and noticed there was nothing in there. There
was nothing except a small windowless shack with a lot
of power going into it, and I just kind of
steered clear of it because there were people government people
that were on the property that were watching that area
where the shack was, so we steered clear of it.
Went deep into the canyon where all the folliges, where
they couldn't see us. I went in there six times.
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After I came out the sixth time, I got caught
by a man with a Department of Defense dud badge.
And this man told me, I know you've been going
in there. I know how many times you'd gone in there,
and he was very serious. He said, you can't go
in here again, and he made an underhanded thready pointed
I was on a siding for her sake, you don't
want to be going in there. You don't wanny thing to
happen to her. And I said, no, I don't. Just
went that. We never went back there again, but I
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knew that something special was in there. I knew that
that shack had something special going on with it, because
all the power ups going into it, but I put
in the back of my mind. I didn't want to
go back there. I was frightened enough listening to what
this man was saying. He had this legit do d badge,
So I was done with it until later on Beyond
Skinwalker team came for their season one at their TV show.
They wanted Tom Dongo to show them around, but Tom
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was very ill at the time, and he called me
and said, would you mind taking up this documentary crew
and showing around brats rats because I simply don't want
to do it. I don't feel well.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Let's hold up right there, buddy, will pick this story
up on the other side of the break. Sure we
come back. We're going to find out what happened when
Jeremiah went out there. You're listening to be on Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah. Jeremiah,
pick it up there. So you're going to fill in
for Tom Dogo and you're gonna head out there with
these guys. Tell me how that went.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
So there was about a month of prep before they came.
They wanted maps, they wanted pin drops places to go.
And one of the things that struck me is they
were not only interested in the anomalous activity. They said,
there's rumors of underground bases, and they said, do you
have any idea where there might be any tunnels or entrances.
They said, well, sure, the Bradshay Ranch where you're going
to be is rumored to have a tunnel under it.
So I told them I would start right here on
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the ranch. And when they came, they brought all this
new equipment run It was incredible stuff. They had this
thing called a ud app or ufo adap. I think
it was for finding an amalous activity in their instantly
quicker than a human being could spot it, and then
recording it. They had technology they could read gamma race
they're coming across the ground. It could read it almost
like a video camera. And then they had separate contractor
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called Terra that came out with ground penetrating radar hanging
from a drone. So I gave them a spot where
I thought there was a straight line between two suspected
sites of military installations, and the straight line went right
through the ratch, and they wanted me to trace that
on the maps, which I did. Everybody with the project
had signed NBA's and they weren't allowed to talk about
even with each other. I didn't know that they had
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actually found the tunnel right where I suspected it was
until the episode aired. And so when the episode aired,
I was feeling very vindicated because the exact line that
I expected had a tunnel was there. But the thing
that was really profound was the size of it. It
was fifty feet in diameter, and they had basically they
called it mowing the lawn. In the pilot's a sense
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where the drone flies back and forth over a football
field left right after right, left right over a grid.
The entire length of the football field covered this tunnel.
It was straight and fifty feet in diameter. Now fast
forward to when News Nation came. News Nation wanted more
pin drop sites. I said, gosh, I've got even more
now suspected sites, so I must have given them six sites.
They said, well, I would like to start actually on
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the ranch property too, because I like to vindicate the Bradshaws.
The Broadshaw said that the shaking was coming from versely
run into their property. Well, if that straight line continues
towards Secret Mountain, which is definitely one of the sites
where people have encountered these military types.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
By the way, Jeremiah, you mean you mean Secret Mountain,
which just everybody knows that is literally the name of
the mountain, isn't there Government Mountain and secret Mountain. You
don't mean a secret mountain. You mean the name of
it is secret Mountain.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Secret Mountain. The nomenclature of a lot of the place
around here is really kooky. Run. So you've got Government Canyon,
which is right in the heart of the Sycamore basin
where these craft are coming out that we were getting
to earlier on in our talk. It's in the heart
of the Sycamore Basin. It's called Government Canyon, Secret Mountain.
Now behind that is a very difficult to get to
a place called secret Canyon. Secret Canyon is another location
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where people have had and probably the largest concentration of
nasty encounters with these military contractor types who seemingly come
out of nowhere with body armor, helmets, M four car
being side arms. Now again, this is that's public. By
the way, they don't have a right, they don't have
a constitution right to stop somebody in those public areas,
turn them around and tell them to go the other way.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yet every time I can't even imagine hiking and having
this confronted by some military guy with a gun.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Oh for sure, for sure. Now we had our own encounter,
really nasty encounter was during the COVID closure, and we
were in the rear of the most visited canyon in
all of Suddar's canyons, which is Buytant Canyon. Boytant Canyon.
When I first moved here, got about fifty thousand hikers
a year. Now it gets over three million a year.
It's just it's one of the most popular canyons of
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all the canyons here in Sedona. We went back there
at night, off trail deep into the rear of the canyon,
on the rear of the canyon, on the left hand side,
it's touching the tip of Secret Mountain, and that's where
we were. We were back there and we put a
drone up. Our drone was looking into an area where
we believed we had heard voices a week prior. The
voices shouldn't have been there, and then following those voices
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with a loud, hollow, metallic boom sounding like an armored
door being closed, we heard twice that night. So we
came back that week with our drone, thinking, well, if
there's a metal door up there or a back entrance,
we'll get our drone in close enough and we'll set
it to shooting four K and maybe we'll see it.
Even if it's camouflaged. Four K should see a linear
door or a linear shadow on these cliff walls. And
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so we put the drone up. We got three really
good flights of this area where we heard the voices from,
and we put the drone down. By now it's dark.
We pack up and we're leaving. We left the dry
wash and we got up to the side of this area.
It's kind of like a raised floodplain, but it's a
thicket too. It's really thick. Alexander's about eight paces behind me,
and I thought I saw somebody running and through the
thicket in front of me, dressed in black from my
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right to left, in the starlight that was coming through
the trees. I was so tired, I thought, Okay, my
eyes are playing tricks on me. I'm not actually seeing this,
So I didn't warn Alexander that there was somebody ahead
of us. We got to these stone circles in this
thicket that had been there were probably close to one
thousand years. They were put there by the ancient on
the Ssauzi, who built the cliff drollings here. I told Alexenda, hey,
we never come back here. I know your camera shoots
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in the light. Why don't we get a couple of
photographs of theason. Let's get the heck out of here.
So she pulled out her camera. She took the first photo,
took the second photo, and then right in unison with
a third photo, a rifle shot went off right behind us,
and it was a suppressed five to five six rifle.
We've both fired suppressed five five six. It makes a
very distinct sound. It's not quiet like it is in
the movies. And you can also tell when the round
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is coming your way. And we both ran. The only
thing we could do was run, and we could hear
deer running as well, because they were so startled back there.
You could hear them tearing through the and snorting. And
we ran all the way back to where the public
trail is. And here's where it gets really weird. Run
sore on the public trail, and we're still scared as heck.
Roll cut up our hands are bleeding, and we're still
running full tilt to get back to the car, which
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is miles away. And as we're on the public trail
headed south, we hear a thud, thud, thud, thought a
very deep sounding rotor, a very distinct sounding rotor, and
I'm thinking to myself, that sounds like an old Army
UH one helicopter. I'm looking over my shoulders and running,
and sure enough I can see a UH one helicopter
just above the trees and it's coming up right behind us.
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It has a sole red lamp on the bottom, and
the red lamp is pointed in our direction. It followed
us all the way to the top of a resort
that's on the mouth of the canyon, and it turned around.
Here's the really wild point. If you've ever been to
Boyne Canyon, it's a narrow canyon. This pilot in the
dark turned that helicopter around below the canyon walls and
flew in disap period of the north. Now we ran
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the west way out of there, got home, and I
told all JA was like, Okay, I guess that confirms
my suspicions that there is something in there. Because we're
on this tip of Secret Mountain. We're getting too close
to something. We fly the derone free times. Somebody clearly
doesn't want us in there because they shot at us.
And so if that was the last time we went
to that particular area in Boyne and again, mind you,
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that is a public area. Even though it's off trail.
Nobody can legally tell you you can't be there. And
most of the witnesses I've talked to who run into
these paramilitary contractor types have more or less the same
dialogue exchange with them, and it's very brief. Sometimes the
rifles are pointing at them in these gars. If you will,
we'll tell them this is the government operation, this is
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government property. Turn around and go back the way you came,
and do not come back here again. Now we met
another witness.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
This was by I done and gone.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We have not gone back to that site since, just
like the site where the portal site where Linna molten
Holl did confirm that an actual government contractor, Martin Marrietta
was contracted to control the portal site there. That site
was also confirmed when she met Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso
and Philip Courso. Of course, his name is now synonymous
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with tech recovered from the Rosbolt crash. She was talking
to him about portal sites and she mentioned to youim
I thinking if I remember her conversation out loud, she said,
there's nine portal sites in the world that our Department
of Defense acknowledges. And she said, course, I look stunned,
and he reached out and grabbed her army. He said,
how the hell did you know about that? And she said, well,
I have my sources, and I'm not going to get
my sources up. They have to be kept in quiet.
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His face kind of the frost of his attitude, kind
of leading away. He said, well, you're right, there are
nine sites. He named them all, and the last one
he named was sending s on Arizona. So he confirmed
for her that there is a sight here, and that
is one of the reasons ron why there's a much
more higher concentration of anomost activity in this area. There's
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a door here. So not just the type of NHI
that people believe fly through space, then fly through our
atmosphere and come down from space that way, the traditional
way we would think of, but there's a way that
NHI comes from. Who knows how many dimensions. I think
somebody or the scientists had cerned. Forgive me if I'm wrong,
but somebody has said there's something like twelve dimensions that
they can confirm. Now, the same type of scientific properties
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that make the CERN collider work happen here naturally, But
the few sites around the globehere it happens naturally are very,
very very rare, because the scientific qualities that can make
the collision of the positive native ilons happen, with the
energy that has to be expended to make it happen
is very rare. It's just incredible when you really think
about the rarity of it. And then it happens to
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be in an area why shit, at Arizona, which is
so you know, it's a place where people come for
the beauty and the tranquility of the area. But I
think in fact you.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Thinking their tranquility. We need to take a break here.
Jeremiah will come right back on the other side of
this and we'll pick this up. We're going to find
out more about some of the strange things that we've
heard about happening at Bradshaw Ranch, which is very nearby
as well. You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah Horseman. Jeremiah, tell
us about this Bradshaw ranch that you've looked at as well.
We've had reports of UFOs going back to at least
nineteen ninety two. Have you personally seen anything on that property.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yes, yes, we we've been on the property now since
we've started, and again in August it'll be thirteen years ago.
We go there a minimum of once a week, sometimes
twice a week. Nine times out of ten it's quiet,
nothing happens. The other small percent of the time, when
stuff does happens, it's usually pretty intense. One of the
more recent times that we had been down there, I
was with a friend of mine who was a complete
skeptic and electrician here in town. He used to kind
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of pooh pooh and ha ha oh my friend Jeremiah
and his portals and UFOs and his cryptid investigations. All
he thought it was funny. I said, why don't you
come out with me, and you spend enough time with me,
you're going to experience something. Because the an almost activity,
the high strangest here is far greater in its frequency
than in most other locations. So come out with me. Well,
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he finally did, and he said, can I bring a friend.
I said, sure, the more eyes the merrier, because when
you've witnessed this stuff, sure you can tell other people
and I'll say you're full of it, you're crazy. When
you have the same people, their skeptics saying just those
phrases to you, and they see it with their own eyes,
that it changes their whole world, as you did for
me when I had my first experience. Now we were
at the Brats, our ranch, right in the center of
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the ranch. So the ranch itself is about ninety acres.
It's a big piece of property. The site that used
to be the old movie ranch, which Bob built in
nineteen seventy two and he called it Bitter Creek. It
was burned down by the government. They didn't want solicit attention,
they didn't want people coming down there to see it,
so one of the first things they did was to
burn it down. The property in general has an old
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adobe structure, which is the oldest structure on the property,
and that was from the old Hancock family that he
bought it from. His ranch house, which is kind of
cataco ined from it. Then on the north side of
the property is a cabin, a little white cabin with
two or three rooms, and then the cattle pens. We
were roughly right in the center. There's a dry wash
that runs from Loy Canyon almost north to south. It
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goes right through the center of the ranch. As we're
coming through this, this electrician got very excited, grabbed my
arm and said look, look, look. He turned around and
his female friend gasped, and coming up from ground level
was one of these famous triang shaped craft with the
lights show in the corners. They came up right in
front of all of us, went over hill and disappeared
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right in front of all four of us, So we
all four saw it, and that was on the that
was coming up on the north side of the property.
As we were seeing this, this orange shaped light unbeknounced
to me, Melinda Leslie. But my friend who does the
UFO tour, she's about probably seven miles away straight line
back near Sedona where she takes her tours. She and
her tour group saw the trying her craft come up
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as well. So it was a fantastic confirmation in two ways. First,
my friend, who was very skeptical the electricians saw this
and his friend saw it as well. And then about
seven miles away, Melinda Leslie with her tour also sees
it coming up from a distance, but to her and
her group it looked like one more of like a
ball of light. They couldn't see the triangle shape of it.
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But it came up at the exact same time as
when we saw it, and she was able to match
the time. When she's very good, she was able to
mark the time when I came up, and so I
was communicating with her. She said, you're never going to
believe what we saw tonight. And I was like, you
never believe what we saw and she said, wait, wait, wait,
let me tell you. She was saying what she said.
I said, hang on, what time did you see that?
And she told me. I said that you saw the
same thing we did and it must have not appeared
(34:10):
structure to you. And she agreed, from the distance and
so on that they it'll look like one solid light.
But that was one of the more recent things we
saw there. I know a lot of people have still
a great deal of luck. Now the government still owns
the property, or I should say the US Forest Service
owns it, but one of the properties that they still guard.
So people will go down there in the parking lot
(34:31):
area of the ranch, which is illegal, but once they
go on beyond, like where the front gate is and
so on, it's at the discretion of an individual. The
US Forest Service may come down there and they'll stop
people from going in there. There's broken glass, you know,
it's the band instructure, so they frown upon people going
in there, but they can't stop them. And there's no
longer any postage signs down there now for about two
(34:51):
years after the Broadshaws were moved off the ranch, and
when I've interviewed John Bradshaw, Bob's son, twice about the property,
and he's very guarded, naturally about what he can say
about it. When I was pressing him about the reason
that the government took the property, he leaned back and
he smiled, a very very nice man, very polite. He said, Jeremiah,
(35:13):
he said, it's complicated. That's about all I can say
about the sale of the ranch. He said, you get
what I'm saying. I said, no, I understand. So at
that point I let go of pressing him for any
more information.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But give them an option. They were basically saying, look,
we're going to buy this.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
No, there was no they had no option at all.
That the rumor is that eminent domain was declared and
the government took the property. Now it wasn't just that property.
There are four other large properties in the area. It
just happened to be the more famous of the lot,
but four other properties were taken around the same time.
They were giving the owners a choice to take a check,
sign an NDA and forget about it. There was one holdout,
(35:49):
and that was this old lady who was one of
the descendants of one of the old ranch pioneer families
here by the name of Hancock. She did not want
to sell their property. She's like, I've leatered myiad thought
my life. My grandfather was here and I'm going to
die here. And her lawyer said, look, you can't win
this one. I think you should take the check. And
that's how they got that property. She finally gave up,
(36:11):
and I can get it. She's in her nineties and
she doesn't want to give up her property, especially the
property out there is gorgeous property. I mean, you look
up and do a three sixty and these he's towering
red rock walls around you and free range cattle and
you can't hear cars, and you can't hear airplanes. It's
just beautiful. And that happened to about five different ranches
in the area. Each one's got a slightly different story.
(36:32):
There's a few of them that will not talk at all.
But there's another man at one of those properties, one
of the smaller ones, who was telling all of his friends.
He was a retired scientist, but he was telling all
of his friends, there's a portal on my property. And
they laughed at him. He said, you need to come
to my property. There's a portal of my property and
things are crawling out of it at night. I see them.
I'm seriously seeing these things that's on my property. And
he said they look like bigfoot. He said, there's two
(36:55):
of them that come out of this thing at night.
It's just a light that starts as a little spark
of light and opens up wide and these things come
out of it. And he said, then sometimes I see
them going back. Sparkle of light comes up, it opens
and they crawl back into it. This particular gentleman also
lost his property in just that manner. So it's very
very interesting when you see how many different people in
(37:15):
this area, of various walks of life, different background on
This gentleman was a scientist. He was a very very
tenured scientist at that time. He was retired, but he
was still a sound mind. He was seeing us on
his property, and perhaps he spoke too much about it,
and that's how the government got winn about it, or
perhaps they already knew that part he's not talking about
and he's actually he actually passed away in not too
(37:36):
long ago. So if I was to press him inform information,
I've lost my chance to do so. He's no longer
with us. But I do know where the property is.
I've been at that property several times. It's very very
close to the property where Martin Merritt set up its
shack to control the electro magnetic portion of the atmosphere above.
It's a vast story run and the fact that NHI
(38:01):
with their advanced tech is coming through when you think
at it of it from a research and development or
even better yet, from a Department of Defense perspective, naturally,
first of all, it's a threat. It's that trojan horse
you want to control what's coming through it. Then you think, well,
what if we had that technology, And I think that
that's why they expanded the facility out here, and Lockheed
(38:22):
is one of the key players. This is my theory.
With the portal site being controlled as it is, it
makes it simple. There's one of the underground entrances is
very near there on a dirt road which they control.
Think of the variables that they had when they had
the crash site at Roswell or the one of the Kingman.
They had to load those things on flatbeds with convoys
and military security, which people saw. Well. To have a
(38:43):
portal site where this stelf is coming through, to control
the property, you have a door with extremely advanced tech
coming through it. Let's say they have a quota like
some of these aerospace firms have. What I'm told by
the whistleblower, a lot of these firms want to shoot
down two a year. Well, in this particular location outside
of Sedona. If you've got a portal site where these
(39:03):
things come through, you simply send a train highly trained
recovery team, quarantine team to take care of the biologicals
and an the craft first, and then the movement team,
which simply has to take it underground from the very site.
All the security variables are now controlled. Nobody's going to
see it. Well, you've got complete control over the secrecy
of what you're taking under ground. They simply turn off
the device to send this shack. Now, again, this is conjecture.
(39:26):
This is just my theory.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
I say, a lot of this is a reach, man,
I mean a lot of it is pretty thin, you
know what I mean. I mean, it's possible, and we
have heard reports on the Bradshaw rants about specifically even
alien grays and bigfoot being seen there and possibly people
think it wasn't there and then it pops in. So
that's why they speculated it was.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
A portal, right, right, And Linda Bradshaw herself had seen
the portal open on two occasions and she got a
photograph of what she believed was the portal opening, and
her son Victor was so keen on going out there
with her with his camera, dubbed the place lactic park
because the amount of phenomena that they were seeing there
with orbs. They literally saw four grays walking across their property.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, the stories are amazing, and they go all the way,
even the dinosaurs. I mean it gets pretty unbelievable. Let's
say that unbelievable. Hey, brother, we're out of time here, man.
How can people find you, Jeremiah?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Look me up on Facebook, just my name Jeremiah Horseman.
And if you were looking for more whistleblowers. By the way,
so we have legal protection for more whistleblowers. So if
anybody finds me and sends me a message, don't say
a thing you can't say on messenger, of course, but
let me know. You want to talk to somebody who's secure,
and I can put you in touch with the lawyers
we have who will put you under protection. Second office
(40:38):
people with their own encounters here and so they don't
they're seeing I'm documenting them. I would love to hear
from you. My namesake j E R E M I
A H my last name H O R S T
M A N on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
That works, man, That's a good place to find people,
all right. So you can find me on Twitter, on Instagram,
at c I t V underscore Captain Ron Thetay connected
by checking out contact in the desert, Stay open minded,
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