August 14, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and author Mike Kozlowski explore his research into Bigfoot, eyewitness accounts of the creature in the wild, legends of Bigfoot type creatures from all over the world, and why a living creature has never been captured.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. Author, engineer,
singer and explorer Mike Kozlowski has written a range of
books and stories and the horror fiction and paranormal investigation genre.
One of his books is called American Ghost Stories. Tonight
we'll be talking about the legendary creature known as Bigfoot
with his work Bigfoot Sightings, True Tales from Across America
(00:27):
that he co wrote with the Coast guest the late
Jim Willis. Mike, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hey George, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Appreciate it a fellow Detroiter like me. I was born there.
How about you, Yes, sir, born and raised, still going
go Lions this year? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How did you get involved with Bigfoot Sightings with your background?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So, I've always been a horror fan and eventually I
moved into writing, and I really mostly worked with horror fiction,
you know, as a Stephen King kids as many in
my gen X generation are. You know, within those stories
obviously ghosts, demons, psychics, monsters, all that supernatural. You know,
it was featured. And I was always a curious sort
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as a kid, especially you know, especially with the strange
and the fantastic and mythology mysteries, and loved Ripley's Believe
It or Not. So it was kind of a natural progression,
I think eventually to end up in the paranormal unexplained field.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How did you team up with our friend Jim Willis
God rest his soul?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, sadly. Sadly Jim passed, as you mentioned, and uh,
you know, I love that you're dedicating that the hour
to him here. And I was working with Visible Incause
with Jim's publisher. Jim also worked with and when he
got sick, you know, they kind of knew what was
where things were heading, and he really wanted this book
to be finished. Our mutual publisher called me asked me
(01:56):
about working with him, uh, picking up where he had
finished and you know, completing the book. And his family
and Jim himself were kind enough to let me do that,
you know, humbling and an honored to do it. I
didn't get to work face to face with Jim, but
you know, uh, he's the type of writer that I
try to be. You know that lets you in you
(02:18):
get to know him, you know his personality through his
writing and working with his rough notes and drafts. Even
more so, I think, you know, it's even a rare
picture of the gentleman.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So I was honored to do it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It felt at many times like he was sitting right
next to me as I was completing it, and uh,
you know, I I hope that I've served him well.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The cover is fantastic. Do you think that depiction of
Bigfoot on the cover is pretty close to what it
looks like?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know, I'll preface this with I approached this as
sort of the optimistic skeptic all my writing, you know,
and I think big Foot's very plausible.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I don't have the.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Solid proof that would convince me all the way, and
I like to be as skeptical as possible. I think
there's a place for that in this genre.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But yes, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
That's a pretty accurate depiction of what, in my mind,
Bigfoot looks like and what most descriptions of the creature are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You've kind of expanded it to include not only America
but all over the place.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, I think it's important to, you know, not just
cover the there's certainly enough information in America to fill
multiple books as it has, right, but the creature has
been cited all over the world, you know, or similar creatures,
you know, relatives maybe you know there's the Yarine in China,
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the Beteta and Vietna Indonesians, or in Pendeck the Yawi
of Australia, you know. So it's I think it's important
not to just focus on the American version or stories.
And the more you can know about maybe the past
or the history or the you know, creature's evolution, the
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more you know about the creature in the present.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Where do you think the name Bigfoot came from?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like, well, it's pretty well documented. It came from Andrew Gazzali,
who was a writer for the Humboldt Times in Eureka, California,
and he ran a story in nineteen fifty eight about
Bigfoot based on some letters he received from readers, and
(04:52):
they had told him a story about some California loggers
who had an encounter and as he ran the story
sort of as a sort of a fluff bit right
on a Sunday, just looking to fill out a word
count more or less, which I kind of love that
bit of the story that that's what drove it as
a writer's word count, but the loggers, one of the
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loggers had had used the term bigfoot, and Andrew put
that into his writing and it just kind of suck.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
In a big way. He too. Yeah, do we get
many sightings in Michigan?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Surprisingly? Yes, I was actually a bit shocked myself. You know,
you're familiar, of course with the Pacific Northwest, the hotspot
of you know, sasquatch breefoot sightings. You hear a lot
about Appalachia, you know, down through Kentucky and Tennessee. But
it turned out that the Midwest, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan are
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right up there, you know, as Michigan I think has
if you go to some of the documentation, has something
like two hundred between two hundred and three hundred documented sightings.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There are some that believe, Michael that Bigfoot is dimensional,
coming from another dimension. It kind of eases its way
in and eases its way back out. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, it's an interesting theory. I feel like it's pretty new.
I think throughout people have sort of looked at the
creatures as an organic being, and that's that's sort of
the way I lean. I tend to think some of
the stories about interdimensional travel or you know, multiverses or
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alien interaction maybe are a way to try to solve
some of the questions that are difficult. But for me,
I think the evidence leads leans heavily toward it being
an organic creature.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, you may be right. You may be right about
that with with family members too.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, absolutely, I think I think they live in uh,
you know, perhaps small groups, you know, maybe just family groups.
Maybe they even you know, are very solitary creatures that
only you know, meet up during certain periods of time,
maybe mating periods.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
You know, if if they're more of a you know,
leaning toward of a sort of an animal rather than
a human tendency.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Would you say your big Foot Sightings book is an
eyewitness testimony.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I would say that there are eyewitness testimonies. I would
not say that it's an eyewitness testimony from me. Although
I have done some limited investigation in some areas, I
haven't myself come across any really solid evidence. Haven't had
a sighting, which isn't unusual. It seems to be for
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some reason that those of us who go searching for
the creature have the most difficult time actually locating it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Did Jim Willis ever see your Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I don't believe Jim saw a bigfoot, but he did
have an experience, and he writes about it in the
beginning of the book in the preface when he retired
to the woods, he had an experience in the woods
of he heard some knocking. He investigated, you know, with
his gun and his dog, had the feeling of, you know,
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being in a presence, and he expands on it quite
a bit in the book, but it definitely drove his
interest in the creature and actually is what led to
him beginning this book.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Mike, we don't hear many stories of bigfoot attacking humans.
Did you come across any of that?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I did so, even some of the earliest stories I
mentioned the nineteen fifty eighth story with Andrew Gonzoli and
going back farther to the hip Can incident, which is
a pretty famous incident in Washington State where a group
was essentially surrounded by a group of these creatures who
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were hurling rocks and boulders at their cabin, pounding on
the door, you know, definitely threatening. Whether it was would
have been you know, malicious. In the end or if
it was just threatening nature, you couldn't say. But there
have been documented cases of the creatures acting in a
(09:33):
violent manner, but these always seemed to be in response
to in sort of a self defense mechanism. I would say,
you know, it's usually because they've been disturbed. In the
Eighth Canyon incident, one of the individuals had shot at
the creatures and reported hitting one of the creatures three times,
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So you can imagine they might want to get those
people out of there, right, So you couldn't blame them
for their or the actions of those creatures.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Might Bigfoot be the link between the ape and man?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think that's an interesting question, and we really go
into a lot of that in the book. As far
as you know, evolution of the human species, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Migration out of Africa or Asia, if.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You you know, subscribe to that theory, these could be
creatures that you descended from Dennis Ovan's or Neanderthal or
a similar pminid human ancestor. You know, even while humans
as we know them right as ourselves we're migrating around
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the world, there were you know, several other species of
human Homo sapiens, not Homo sapiens.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Homo genus that we're we're alive at the same time.
You know, I think a lot of people like to
think that if they, you know, believe in that the
evolution of man in that manner, that it's very linear.
You know, Neanderthals die out and we pop up, but
there's a lot more overlap. And even today there's been
DNA testing that shows that, you know, these denisoviet genes
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are are.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
All over the world still, you know, so.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Obviously some interaction between species that could have led to uh,
you know this creature Bigfoot or sasquatch, you know, as
a branch.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Of that evolution.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That maybe is just as smaller and not quite as
expansive branches of a zero.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Mike, you talked about the Obama Little Snowman out of
the Himalayas, and when I was a kid, I was
obsessed with that story. But to me, that story is
developed before we heard stories about Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, absolutely, and I think even has the migration of humans,
you know, kind of traveled from that part of the
world into the Americas. The stories of you know, these large,
hairy hominid creatures sort of did the same the Yeti
or the abominable snowman as I knew it as a
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kid as well, even though back then I didn't know
what abominable meant, just thought it meant big. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The the Yeti was, uh.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
You know, a creature that Annepleeese and Tibetan folklore talked
about for you know generations. It lived up in in
the Himalayan mountains or lives in the Himalayan Mountains. Some
people think maybe that creature has kind of died out
and moved over to the Americas. But even as people
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as famous as Edmund Hillary, you know, looking for routes
to ever Ris, came across these footprints that they couldn't identify.
The Serpas who helped them with these travels identified them
as Yeti's, you know, explained that these were large creatures,
and the Yeti in the Tibetan and Nepalese folklore is
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more of a magical creature. Similar stories in Native American
folklore of creatures like this generally thought to be like
a protector of nature or of the lands. But certainly
those stories made their way out of you know, the
Himalayan areas in the China. Their borders and into the
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papers of Europe and especially England. It was a time
of you know, a lot of adventurers, a lot of
areas still being discovered and explored, and I think those
stories really captured the imagination of you know, people back home,
and you know, as as those stories became more prevalent,
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I think it also allowed people to share their own
stories so that maybe they you know, were hesitant to before.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
What might be one of the most fascinating stories in
your book, Bigfood Sightings.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Oh geez, you know there are many, Yeah, there are
so so many.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I really think, you know, the it's kind of a
combination that that Pacific Northwest discoveries, the early Ape Canyon
things like I spoke about, uh, leading up to the
Patterson Gimlin films, you know, in that area, the most
famous films that we see, And I think that may
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be the most interesting story how that came about. I
don't want to give away too much of the book,
but just how the process developed of Patterson moving going
to that area to film looking for the creature information
he had gotten from other you know, now famous Bigfoot researchers.
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I think that whole story and because it really I
think lit a fire under the Bigfoot phenomenon and you
know sasquatch investigations. I think for me that was the
most interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And you delve into much more than eyewitness accounts.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yes, absolutely, And as I said, I think it's important
to understand, you know, if you want to understand Bigfoot now,
it's it's one thing to try to understand the evidence
that exists. Now, you know, the eyewitness sightings, the footprints,
the you know, hair samples, all the good stuff we
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hear about. But I think the more you can learn
about the creature's history, maybe it's past, where it came from,
just gives you a great greater understanding of one what
it might be and two how it might interact with us,
with nature, with you know, other creatures.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well. With Mike Kozlowski, his website is his name linked
up at Coast Tocosdam dot com. We're talking about his
book Bigfoot Sightings, also Roade American ghost Stories. We'll touch
on that a little bit later on in the program. Mike,
in terms of the Bigfoot exposure, why can't we find one?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, that's that's the million dollar question, isn't I think?
So there's uh, there's I guess a difficult question to answer, really,
I mean, we're out there looking. I have some theories
of my own that you know, it's a smaller population
maybe than we expect. There is a thing called minimal
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population viability that states, you know, a population as small
as fifty can have enough genetic diversity to breed.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And continue on.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
If you imagine, you know, and another you know, population
of like five hundred. It's kind of a number that
is thrown out as being kind of a minimal existence
for a population. And you know, five fifty to five
hundred individuals, even just in America, that's a very few
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people taking up a whole lot of space, right, very
few creatures, So it would be difficult to locate them.
You know, it's kind of a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What do you think of this story? You me your opinion? Okay,
guy called this sturing Open Lines. One night, he said
he was fishing on the bank of a likeke. Behind him,
he saw something wrestling around. Didn't pay too much attention
to it. At the point caught too. Trout turned around.
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Bigfoot was looking right at him and the trout, you panic,
didn't know what to do. Handed the trout to Bigfoot.
Bigfoot took them both, looked at both, Fish looked at him,
gave him one back, and ran off into the woods
with one. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I could believe that certainly.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think I'm of the opinion that Bigfoot is you know,
kind of in between that sort of animal and human position, right,
that it's it has obviously a better intellect than you know,
the great apes that we know based on the stories
that we've heard about it. And and great apes are
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very smart, right, I mean, they can learn sign language,
they can you know, communicate with us. They you know,
have family units and seem very human. So a creature
you know, more developed than that certainly could have the
sense to and to interact with us that way. And
I think again, you know, we mentioned whether you know
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Bigfoot was violent. I believe that it's probably not, probably
just uh, you know, as it needs to be in
self defense, you know, to protect itself or it's it's uh,
it's home.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. Author, engineer,
singer and explorer Mike Kozlowski has written a range of
books and stories and the horror fiction and paranormal investigation genre.
One of his books is called American Ghost Stories. Tonight
we'll be talking about the legendary creature known as Bigfoot
with his work Bigfoot Sightings, True Tales from Across America
(00:27):
that he co wrote with the Coast guest the late
Jim Willis. Mike, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hey George, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Appreciate it a fellow Detroiter like me. I was born there.
How about you, Yes, sir, born and raised, still going
go Lions this year? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How did you get involved with Bigfoot Sightings with your background?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So, I've always been a horror fan and eventually I
moved into writing, and I really mostly worked with horror fiction,
you know, as a Stephen King kids as many in
my gen X generation are. You know, within those stories
obviously ghosts, demons, psychics, monsters, all that supernatural. You know,
it was featured. And I was always a curious sort
(01:14):
as a kid, especially you know, especially with the strange
and the fantastic and mythology mysteries, and loved Ripley's Believe
It or Not. So it was kind of a natural progression,
I think eventually to end up in the paranormal unexplained field.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How did you team up with our friend Jim Willis
God rest his soul?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, sadly. Sadly Jim passed, as you mentioned, and uh,
you know, I love that you're dedicating that the hour
to him here. And I was working with Visible Incause
with Jim's publisher. Jim also worked with and when he
got sick, you know, they kind of knew what was
where things were heading, and he really wanted this book
to be finished. Our mutual publisher called me asked me
(01:56):
about working with him, uh, picking up where he had
finished and you know, completing the book. And his family
and Jim himself were kind enough to let me do that,
you know, humbling and an honored to do it. I
didn't get to work face to face with Jim, but
you know, uh, he's the type of writer that I
try to be. You know that lets you in you
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get to know him, you know his personality through his
writing and working with his rough notes and drafts. Even
more so, I think, you know, it's even a rare
picture of the gentleman.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So I was honored to do it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It felt at many times like he was sitting right
next to me as I was completing it, and uh,
you know, I I hope that I've served him well.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The cover is fantastic. Do you think that depiction of
Bigfoot on the cover is pretty close to what it
looks like?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You know, I'll preface this with I approached this as
sort of the optimistic skeptic all my writing, you know,
and I think big Foot's very plausible.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I don't have the.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Solid proof that would convince me all the way, and
I like to be as skeptical as possible. I think
there's a place for that in this genre.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But yes, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
That's a pretty accurate depiction of what, in my mind,
Bigfoot looks like and what most descriptions of the creature are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You've kind of expanded it to include not only America
but all over the place.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, I think it's important to, you know, not just
cover the there's certainly enough information in America to fill
multiple books as it has, right, but the creature has
been cited all over the world, you know, or similar creatures,
you know, relatives maybe you know there's the Yarine in China,
(03:58):
the Beteta and Vietna Indonesians, or in Pendeck the Yawi
of Australia, you know. So it's I think it's important
not to just focus on the American version or stories.
And the more you can know about maybe the past
or the history or the you know, creature's evolution, the
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more you know about the creature in the present.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Where do you think the name Bigfoot came from?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like, well, it's pretty well documented. It came from Andrew Gazzali,
who was a writer for the Humboldt Times in Eureka, California,
and he ran a story in nineteen fifty eight about
Bigfoot based on some letters he received from readers, and
(04:52):
they had told him a story about some California loggers
who had an encounter and as he ran the story
sort of as a sort of a fluff bit right
on a Sunday, just looking to fill out a word
count more or less, which I kind of love that
bit of the story that that's what drove it as
a writer's word count, but the loggers, one of the
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loggers had had used the term bigfoot, and Andrew put
that into his writing and it just kind of suck.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
In a big way. He too. Yeah, do we get
many sightings in Michigan?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Surprisingly? Yes, I was actually a bit shocked myself. You know,
you're familiar, of course with the Pacific Northwest, the hotspot
of you know, sasquatch breefoot sightings. You hear a lot
about Appalachia, you know, down through Kentucky and Tennessee. But
it turned out that the Midwest, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan are
(05:50):
right up there, you know, as Michigan I think has
if you go to some of the documentation, has something
like two hundred between two hundred and three hundred documented sightings.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There are some that believe, Michael that Bigfoot is dimensional,
coming from another dimension. It kind of eases its way
in and eases its way back out. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, it's an interesting theory. I feel like it's pretty new.
I think throughout people have sort of looked at the
creatures as an organic being, and that's that's sort of
the way I lean. I tend to think some of
the stories about interdimensional travel or you know, multiverses or
(06:42):
alien interaction maybe are a way to try to solve
some of the questions that are difficult. But for me,
I think the evidence leads leans heavily toward it being
an organic creature.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, you may be right. You may be right about
that with with family members too.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, absolutely, I think I think they live in uh,
you know, perhaps small groups, you know, maybe just family groups.
Maybe they even you know, are very solitary creatures that
only you know, meet up during certain periods of time,
maybe mating periods.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
You know, if if they're more of a you know,
leaning toward of a sort of an animal rather than
a human tendency.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Would you say your big Foot Sightings book is an
eyewitness testimony.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I would say that there are eyewitness testimonies. I would
not say that it's an eyewitness testimony from me. Although
I have done some limited investigation in some areas, I
haven't myself come across any really solid evidence. Haven't had
a sighting, which isn't unusual. It seems to be for
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some reason that those of us who go searching for
the creature have the most difficult time actually locating it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Did Jim Willis ever see your Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I don't believe Jim saw a bigfoot, but he did
have an experience, and he writes about it in the
beginning of the book in the preface when he retired
to the woods, he had an experience in the woods
of he heard some knocking. He investigated, you know, with
his gun and his dog, had the feeling of, you know,
(08:33):
being in a presence, and he expands on it quite
a bit in the book, but it definitely drove his
interest in the creature and actually is what led to
him beginning this book.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Mike, we don't hear many stories of bigfoot attacking humans.
Did you come across any of that?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I did so, even some of the earliest stories I
mentioned the nineteen fifty eighth story with Andrew Gonzoli and
going back farther to the hip Can incident, which is
a pretty famous incident in Washington State where a group
was essentially surrounded by a group of these creatures who
(09:11):
were hurling rocks and boulders at their cabin, pounding on
the door, you know, definitely threatening. Whether it was would
have been you know, malicious. In the end or if
it was just threatening nature, you couldn't say. But there
have been documented cases of the creatures acting in a
(09:33):
violent manner, but these always seemed to be in response
to in sort of a self defense mechanism. I would say,
you know, it's usually because they've been disturbed. In the
Eighth Canyon incident, one of the individuals had shot at
the creatures and reported hitting one of the creatures three times,
(09:53):
So you can imagine they might want to get those
people out of there, right, So you couldn't blame them
for their or the actions of those creatures.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Might Bigfoot be the link between the ape and man?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I think that's an interesting question, and we really go
into a lot of that in the book. As far
as you know, evolution of the human species, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Migration out of Africa or Asia, if.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You you know, subscribe to that theory, these could be
creatures that you descended from Dennis Ovan's or Neanderthal or
a similar pminid human ancestor. You know, even while humans
as we know them right as ourselves we're migrating around
(10:45):
the world, there were you know, several other species of
human Homo sapiens, not Homo sapiens.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Homo genus that we're we're alive at the same time.
You know, I think a lot of people like to
think that if they, you know, believe in that the
evolution of man in that manner, that it's very linear.
You know, Neanderthals die out and we pop up, but
there's a lot more overlap. And even today there's been
DNA testing that shows that, you know, these denisoviet genes
(11:19):
are are.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
All over the world still, you know, so.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Obviously some interaction between species that could have led to uh,
you know this creature Bigfoot or sasquatch, you know, as
a branch.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Of that evolution.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That maybe is just as smaller and not quite as
expansive branches of a zero.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Mike, you talked about the Obama Little Snowman out of
the Himalayas, and when I was a kid, I was
obsessed with that story. But to me, that story is
developed before we heard stories about Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, absolutely, and I think even has the migration of humans,
you know, kind of traveled from that part of the
world into the Americas. The stories of you know, these large,
hairy hominid creatures sort of did the same the Yeti
or the abominable snowman as I knew it as a
(12:20):
kid as well, even though back then I didn't know
what abominable meant, just thought it meant big. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The the Yeti was, uh.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
You know, a creature that Annepleeese and Tibetan folklore talked
about for you know generations. It lived up in in
the Himalayan mountains or lives in the Himalayan Mountains. Some
people think maybe that creature has kind of died out
and moved over to the Americas. But even as people
(12:55):
as famous as Edmund Hillary, you know, looking for routes
to ever Ris, came across these footprints that they couldn't identify.
The Serpas who helped them with these travels identified them
as Yeti's, you know, explained that these were large creatures,
and the Yeti in the Tibetan and Nepalese folklore is
(13:17):
more of a magical creature. Similar stories in Native American
folklore of creatures like this generally thought to be like
a protector of nature or of the lands. But certainly
those stories made their way out of you know, the
Himalayan areas in the China. Their borders and into the
(13:39):
papers of Europe and especially England. It was a time
of you know, a lot of adventurers, a lot of
areas still being discovered and explored, and I think those
stories really captured the imagination of you know, people back home,
and you know, as as those stories became more prevalent,
(14:05):
I think it also allowed people to share their own
stories so that maybe they you know, were hesitant to before.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
What might be one of the most fascinating stories in
your book, Bigfood Sightings.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Oh geez, you know there are many, Yeah, there are
so so many.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I really think, you know, the it's kind of a
combination that that Pacific Northwest discoveries, the early Ape Canyon
things like I spoke about, uh, leading up to the
Patterson Gimlin films, you know, in that area, the most
famous films that we see, And I think that may
(14:47):
be the most interesting story how that came about. I
don't want to give away too much of the book,
but just how the process developed of Patterson moving going
to that area to film looking for the creature information
he had gotten from other you know, now famous Bigfoot researchers.
(15:11):
I think that whole story and because it really I
think lit a fire under the Bigfoot phenomenon and you
know sasquatch investigations. I think for me that was the
most interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And you delve into much more than eyewitness accounts.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yes, absolutely, And as I said, I think it's important
to understand, you know, if you want to understand Bigfoot now,
it's it's one thing to try to understand the evidence
that exists. Now, you know, the eyewitness sightings, the footprints,
the you know, hair samples, all the good stuff we
(15:51):
hear about. But I think the more you can learn
about the creature's history, maybe it's past, where it came from,
just gives you a great greater understanding of one what
it might be and two how it might interact with us,
with nature, with you know, other creatures.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well. With Mike Kozlowski, his website is his name linked
up at Coast Tocosdam dot com. We're talking about his
book Bigfoot Sightings, also Roade American ghost Stories. We'll touch
on that a little bit later on in the program. Mike,
in terms of the Bigfoot exposure, why can't we find one?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, that's that's the million dollar question, isn't I think?
So there's uh, there's I guess a difficult question to answer, really,
I mean, we're out there looking. I have some theories
of my own that you know, it's a smaller population
maybe than we expect. There is a thing called minimal
(16:50):
population viability that states, you know, a population as small
as fifty can have enough genetic diversity to breed.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And continue on.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
If you imagine, you know, and another you know, population
of like five hundred. It's kind of a number that
is thrown out as being kind of a minimal existence
for a population. And you know, five fifty to five
hundred individuals, even just in America, that's a very few
(17:27):
people taking up a whole lot of space, right, very
few creatures, So it would be difficult to locate them.
You know, it's kind of a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What do you think of this story? You me your opinion? Okay,
guy called this sturing Open Lines. One night, he said
he was fishing on the bank of a likeke. Behind him,
he saw something wrestling around. Didn't pay too much attention
to it. At the point caught too. Trout turned around.
(17:57):
Bigfoot was looking right at him and the trout, you panic,
didn't know what to do. Handed the trout to Bigfoot.
Bigfoot took them both, looked at both, Fish looked at him,
gave him one back, and ran off into the woods
with one. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I could believe that certainly.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think I'm of the opinion that Bigfoot is you know,
kind of in between that sort of animal and human position, right,
that it's it has obviously a better intellect than you know,
the great apes that we know based on the stories
that we've heard about it. And and great apes are
(18:41):
very smart, right, I mean, they can learn sign language,
they can you know, communicate with us. They you know,
have family units and seem very human. So a creature
you know, more developed than that certainly could have the
sense to and to interact with us that way. And
I think again, you know, we mentioned whether you know
(19:02):
Bigfoot was violent. I believe that it's probably not, probably
just uh, you know, as it needs to be in
self defense, you know, to protect itself or it's it's uh,
it's home.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
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