August 20, 2025 • 17 mins
George Noory and author Shanelle Arnold discuss the first modern UFO sighting by her grandfather Kenneth Arnold in Washington state in 1947 before the Roswell crash, how he created the term "flying saucers" to describe what he saw, and his belief that the craft may be coming from other dimensions and not other planets.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Chanel Arnold with us, an author, astrologer, and granddaughter of
eufologist and American aviator Kenneth Arno. He was the first
person in the twentieth century to report flying saucers and
coin the term. Chanell republished his historic book that he
wrote in nineteen fifty two, called The Coming of the
(00:25):
Saucers to honor her grandfather. Chanell, great job, welcome to
the program.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's great to hear your voice again. George.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
This is exciting. Yes, I would have loved to have
met your grandfather.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I know there's not very many people left that actually
got the chance to meet him.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He died at sixty eight, which is relatively young.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen eighty four, and he, you know, died
telling me it wasn't the right time for UFOs.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Was he your mother or father's father?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
He is my mother's father, and I went through a
divorce and took on his last name just because I'm
a public speaker. On his behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, that's great. And he wrote the book The Coming
of the saucage with Ray Palmer, who owned at that
time a science fiction magazine called Amazing Stories. And those
two got a long well, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
They did. They would communicate via records. They'd record records
and send each other records back and forth, because that
was before you know, even long distance phone calls.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
How much did you talk to your father grandfather about UFOs?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Not much.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I've learned more from my mom just growing up and
hearing stories. And he lived quite the exciting life after
his signing in nineteen forty seven. He was quite the
busy man, you know, investigating other sightings and you know,
his friends kept seeing flying soff there's everyone around and
(02:01):
was seeing flying saucers. It all started in the summer
saucers nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And that's when we had the roswelld crash in July.
It's got to be from the same source.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He thought that there was a connection with the Adam
Baums just being released on hi Shima and Nagasaki two
years before in nineteen forty five, and the Cold War
had just started in March of nineteen forty seven, so
his initial thought to report the flying saucers were he
thought they were Russian aircraft that were, you know, top
(02:33):
secret that no one knew of, and it was his
patriotic duty to report what he saw.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Tell us about the sighting of the nine flying saucers
over Mount Rainier.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
What do you know?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
My grandfather was a businessman.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
He sold fire safety equipment remotely to people in remote areas,
and he also flew prisoners back and forth for the
state of Idaho. Very respected man. He was thirty two
years old and he was leaving Shahalis, Washington from a
business trip and there was a reward it found a
(03:08):
C forty six military marine transport plane that had crashed
into the side of Mount Rainier on June twenty fourth,
nineteen forty seven. It was a beautiful clear day and
he thought it'd be a great day to fly around
to see if he could spot it, because five thousand
dollars was a big reward back then. It was about
three pm and he was getting bright lights of like
(03:30):
as bright as an arc light, flashing into his cockpit,
and he looked and saw nine objects flying at a
high rate of speed in between Mount Adams and Mount Rainier.
He clocked them and they were flying so fast that
he did you know, and pilots probably couldn't even do
it anymore. With his own math and by hand, he
(03:52):
clocked them going about twelve hundred miles per hour between
Mount Adams and Mount Rainier's points. And they're also flying
an echelon formation four in front, five in the back,
almost like the way geese fly. The one thing is
they were kind of pulsating, almost like a beating heart,
(04:13):
and that really, you know, captivated his attention as well.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
He only saw him.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
For about three minutes as they disappeared near Mineral, Washington,
and he was just so so in awe by what
he saw. He knew is you know, duty to report
what he saw. He thought he'd seen like Russian aircraft
that you know, nobody knew about, and so he felt
(04:40):
like it was his duty to report what he saw.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Was he in shock when he saw them.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He just thought that they were you know, top secret
aircraft that he had never you know, had ever seen
in his life. And one thing about him is they
they were flying so fast that they you know, he
thought they could even be guided.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Missiles, but.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Nothing had nothing back then flew seventeen hundred miles per
hour or you know, in between twelve hundred and seventeen
hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh exciting. I mean, he truly was remarkable. Was he
a believer after that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He definitely was.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And his mail was gone through by a couple of
military officials. The Air Force was created that year, in
nineteen forty seven, and he got to know Lieutenant Brown
and Captain Davison, and they were really concerned about some
of the male he had gotten because he was famous
overnight from like religious organizations because they thought he was
(05:53):
the profit of the end of the world. It was
so shocking. And you know, he also got into like
the books that Charles Fort. Charles Fort kept track of
odd signings people have in newspaper clippings that he had
put together in a book, and he just he thought that,
(06:14):
you know, the he was thirty two years old when
this signing happened in his life, and in the military
marine transport plane he was looking for had thirty two
people that had died in the crash, and he thought
that there was a synchronicity about that he was thirty
(06:37):
two years old and the military marine transport plane had
thirty two people that had died in it. And then
they discovered the crash exactly a month after signing on
the twenty fourth of July, and then they had the
the memorial for the Marines that died on the twenty
(06:58):
fourth of August, and he thought that was where it
was exactly a month apart both.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, each time.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
He also, you know, carried a synchronicity card of like
the with President.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Kennedy and President Lincoln. They had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know, synchronicities with them as well. One had a
secretary named Kennedy, one had a secretary name.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Lincoln.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And you know, he was he thought that synchronicities in life,
you know, were were patterns that needed to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Is that a picture of your grandfather on the cover
of The Coming of the Saucers?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It is. It's the one that I republished.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It has a picture of my grandfather holding his camera,
which he often did looking up in the sky for answers.
In his lifetime, he spent thirty thousand dollars of his
own money investigating flying saucers. He would fly and interview people,
and you know, it was really interesting. But then he
(08:07):
had to get back to the real world of making
money and had to kind of calm down. But like
the summer that this happened, he went and investigated Maury
Island and Ray Palmer two hundred dollars to go investigate
that in Seattle, and another pilot that had seen flying
saucers after him.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Captain E. J.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Smith was going to be there as well, with Lieutenant
Brown and Captain Davidson, and they were all to meet
and Tacoma, Washington to investigate the Maury Island incident that
happened on the twenty fourth, twenty first of June. There
are these two individuals, Chrisman and Doll.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They were on a boat and.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Supposedly this flying saucer had fallen from the sky, killing
their dog in the boat, burning one of their teen
age sons, and pieces of this, uh, these UFOs had
fallen to you know, the earth, and they had had
actual pieces supposedly have a flying saucer. And after these
(09:14):
two military men had gone through my grandfather's mail, they
said if anything was to come up, to get a
hold of them. And of course he just thought, wow,
there's proof of a flying saucer, you know, and and
I have definitely, you know, have my military friends meet
me and Tacoma. So he ended up in Tacoma. There
(09:35):
was nowhere in town to check into a hotel, but
he found the windthro Ap Hotel and he called and
they already had a reservation for him, and he thought
that was really strange. There was nowhere in Tacoma to
to find a night to sleep at all, and so
he ended up going there, and he felt like the
room was bugged, just from the way the phone was
(09:57):
sounding every time he would, you know, try to pick
up and make a call, and that was kind of
scaring him.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But you know, anyhow, they ended up all meeting.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Together in that hotel room with these fragments of this
flying saucer, and they were given to Lieutenant Brown and
Captain Navison to fly back to Hamilton Air Force Base
in California, and.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Their plane ended up.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Crashing with the parts of the flying saucer on it
outside of Keilsel, Washington, killing the two military officials.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And my grandfather was so frightened that he.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Wanted out, you know, was just scared by the whole situation.
And as he was flying to leave Tacoma, somebody had
shut the fuel line off of his airplane and he
almost crashed his plane and perished and he landed, you know,
quite carefully and ended up. You know, he was just
(10:58):
so so scared by the whole incident that you know,
and this is you know, the first year that there
was the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The Air Force was created in nineteen forty seven, so.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You know, he felt like it was his fault that
these military men had died. And he was just you know,
just crying sad. I mean, he definitely a scary situation.
And anyhow, he after all this, he was going to
start having these seminars where he would get people together
(11:30):
and talk about, you know, their signings of flying saucers.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And his friend Dave Johnson.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
From the The Ido Statesman, he was an aviation editor.
He is a good friend of my grandfather's and he
was a part time in the Air Guard. But he
took my grandfather out to the desert and had him
walk away from his car and he's like, you know,
your car's bug. Can you need to stop being so
(11:57):
public with your, uh, yours speakings of these flying saucers?
Because my brother's a military man and he's seen the military.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And then and then and then.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Excuse me, and kill their own men for you know,
for what they know, and and being public and you
just really can't talk about what you're you know, have
these seminars because you know it's gonna get you killed.
You just have to start being silent. So like after that,
he kind of stopped being so public with his speaking engagements.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But he did run for.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Governor of Idaho, and you know, he got to meet
President Eisenhower, and he you know, he got to meet
a lot of military officials that he was friends with,
and he just felt like it was his.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Duty to find out what the real reason these flying
saucers were here for. And you know, uh, at the
end of his life, he felt like and kind of
Ray Palmer in the same way they believed in the
Waspy Bible. And one of his favorite quotes in the
Waspy Bible was who but the Creator could create such
(13:16):
a man so great as an unbeliever. But the Waspy
Bible was a bible that like was in the early
twentieth century, written by this dentist that was like a medium.
And they talked about flying craft in the Waspy Bible,
and he thought there was something about that because you know,
(13:40):
they even say now that like the Book of Enoch
in the Bible talked about you know, flying saucers and
and uh, you know aliens that are you know, almost
like angels in a way, but that was taken out
of the Bible. But you know, he felt he connected
and he didn't even know about that, but he connected
with a wasp by Bible a lot. But him and
Ray Palmer both kind of were into the waspy bubbles
(14:04):
beliefs of the Darro that there are these people that
lived under the surface of the earth, which was interesting.
And Ray Palmer thought he had this conclusion that the
flying saucers were the spirits of the dead, and that
was a dangerous theory.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
There were all kinds of theories going on, but your
grandfather stuck with the UFO theory. And he had a
lot of support, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh, he did his friends, everybody he knew, we're seeing
flying saucers after him, they just they didn't know how
to stop it. But you know, he he was offered
fifty thousand dollars from Double Day Books in the sixties
to do a fictional story of his sighting, and he
(14:56):
just wouldn't do it. He just wanted it to be
you know, always to the point of you know, these
things were so extraordinary and and he was an eagle.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Scout, you know, he grew up, he loved his country.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You know, he thought it was patriarchic, patriotic duty to
report what he saw, and you know, and then he
felt like he was unfortunate. Goat that was one that
did it because there were so many unbelievers, you know,
And now, I mean, look at it now. I was
part of moof on this year. I'm really trying to
(15:31):
get my foot in the door with moof on. Last year,
Earl Gray he passed away, but he got me to
be part of the moof on in Dallas, and this
year I was also part of that too. But this
year I met this guy named Alan Steinfeld, and I know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Knew Lyndha Moulton how she met my grandfather when she
was a little girl. Her father was in the military,
and I guess that she was from u Boise, Idaho,
And so I got to talk to her on the phone.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's where I met you about eleven years ago, right, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Boise Now I live in Oregon, but anyhow, yeah, just
it's just crazy because she met my grandfather when she
was a little girl, and I had no idea, and anyhow,
I thought that was pretty cool, just like small world.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But you know, I have admired her.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I mean, I grew up in eupology watching all the
shows I could, you know, absorb, and you know, I
just my grandfather with his beliefs.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I had my own beliefs.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Like you know, he believed they are the connection between
the living and the dead. And I believe that you know,
these uh, they're always seen near volcanoes, and I just
I believe that volcanoes are some sort of pearls into
other dimensions. And that's why you see him flying like
out of Mount Shasta. I hear reports of like people
(17:02):
seeing you know, flying saucers play outside of the sides
of volcanoes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
What did you rather think of the extra terrestrial theory?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He didn't believe in that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He just he believed that they were just internet dimensional
and they were coming from the dimension we go to
from when we when we die.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They were coming from the that dimension.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Is that the fifth dimension, because like we're in the
third dimension, I think is the dimension we're in now.
But yeah, he believed that they they held the key.
Key's the reason why we're here, you know, the connection
between the living and the dead.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Chanel Arnold with us, an author, astrologer, and granddaughter of
eufologist and American aviator Kenneth Arno. He was the first
person in the twentieth century to report flying saucers and
coin the term. Chanell republished his historic book that he
wrote in nineteen fifty two, called The Coming of the
(00:25):
Saucers to honor her grandfather. Chanell, great job, welcome to
the program.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's great to hear your voice again. George.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
This is exciting. Yes, I would have loved to have
met your grandfather.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I know there's not very many people left that actually
got the chance to meet him.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He died at sixty eight, which is relatively young.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen eighty four, and he, you know, died
telling me it wasn't the right time for UFOs.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Was he your mother or father's father?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
He is my mother's father, and I went through a
divorce and took on his last name just because I'm
a public speaker. On his behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, that's great. And he wrote the book The Coming
of the saucage with Ray Palmer, who owned at that
time a science fiction magazine called Amazing Stories. And those
two got a long well, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
They did. They would communicate via records. They'd record records
and send each other records back and forth, because that
was before you know, even long distance phone calls.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
How much did you talk to your father grandfather about UFOs?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Not much.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I've learned more from my mom just growing up and
hearing stories. And he lived quite the exciting life after
his signing in nineteen forty seven. He was quite the
busy man, you know, investigating other sightings and you know,
his friends kept seeing flying soff there's everyone around and
(02:01):
was seeing flying saucers. It all started in the summer
saucers nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And that's when we had the roswelld crash in July.
It's got to be from the same source.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He thought that there was a connection with the Adam
Baums just being released on hi Shima and Nagasaki two
years before in nineteen forty five, and the Cold War
had just started in March of nineteen forty seven, so
his initial thought to report the flying saucers were he
thought they were Russian aircraft that were, you know, top
(02:33):
secret that no one knew of, and it was his
patriotic duty to report what he saw.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Tell us about the sighting of the nine flying saucers
over Mount Rainier.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
What do you know?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
My grandfather was a businessman.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
He sold fire safety equipment remotely to people in remote areas,
and he also flew prisoners back and forth for the
state of Idaho. Very respected man. He was thirty two
years old and he was leaving Shahalis, Washington from a
business trip and there was a reward it found a
(03:08):
C forty six military marine transport plane that had crashed
into the side of Mount Rainier on June twenty fourth,
nineteen forty seven. It was a beautiful clear day and
he thought it'd be a great day to fly around
to see if he could spot it, because five thousand
dollars was a big reward back then. It was about
three pm and he was getting bright lights of like
(03:30):
as bright as an arc light, flashing into his cockpit,
and he looked and saw nine objects flying at a
high rate of speed in between Mount Adams and Mount Rainier.
He clocked them and they were flying so fast that
he did you know, and pilots probably couldn't even do
it anymore. With his own math and by hand, he
(03:52):
clocked them going about twelve hundred miles per hour between
Mount Adams and Mount Rainier's points. And they're also flying
an echelon formation four in front, five in the back,
almost like the way geese fly. The one thing is
they were kind of pulsating, almost like a beating heart,
(04:13):
and that really, you know, captivated his attention as well.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
He only saw him.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
For about three minutes as they disappeared near Mineral, Washington,
and he was just so so in awe by what
he saw. He knew is you know, duty to report
what he saw. He thought he'd seen like Russian aircraft
that you know, nobody knew about, and so he felt
(04:40):
like it was his duty to report what he saw.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Was he in shock when he saw them.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He just thought that they were you know, top secret
aircraft that he had never you know, had ever seen
in his life. And one thing about him is they
they were flying so fast that they you know, he
thought they could even be guided.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Missiles, but.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Nothing had nothing back then flew seventeen hundred miles per
hour or you know, in between twelve hundred and seventeen
hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh exciting. I mean, he truly was remarkable. Was he
a believer after that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He definitely was.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And his mail was gone through by a couple of
military officials. The Air Force was created that year, in
nineteen forty seven, and he got to know Lieutenant Brown
and Captain Davison, and they were really concerned about some
of the male he had gotten because he was famous
overnight from like religious organizations because they thought he was
(05:53):
the profit of the end of the world. It was
so shocking. And you know, he also got into like
the books that Charles Fort. Charles Fort kept track of
odd signings people have in newspaper clippings that he had
put together in a book, and he just he thought that,
(06:14):
you know, the he was thirty two years old when
this signing happened in his life, and in the military
marine transport plane he was looking for had thirty two
people that had died in the crash, and he thought
that there was a synchronicity about that he was thirty
(06:37):
two years old and the military marine transport plane had
thirty two people that had died in it. And then
they discovered the crash exactly a month after signing on
the twenty fourth of July, and then they had the
the memorial for the Marines that died on the twenty
(06:58):
fourth of August, and he thought that was where it
was exactly a month apart both.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, each time.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
He also, you know, carried a synchronicity card of like
the with President.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Kennedy and President Lincoln. They had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know, synchronicities with them as well. One had a
secretary named Kennedy, one had a secretary name.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Lincoln.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And you know, he was he thought that synchronicities in life,
you know, were were patterns that needed to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Is that a picture of your grandfather on the cover
of The Coming of the Saucers?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It is. It's the one that I republished.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It has a picture of my grandfather holding his camera,
which he often did looking up in the sky for answers.
In his lifetime, he spent thirty thousand dollars of his
own money investigating flying saucers. He would fly and interview people,
and you know, it was really interesting. But then he
(08:07):
had to get back to the real world of making
money and had to kind of calm down. But like
the summer that this happened, he went and investigated Maury
Island and Ray Palmer two hundred dollars to go investigate
that in Seattle, and another pilot that had seen flying
saucers after him.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Captain E. J.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Smith was going to be there as well, with Lieutenant
Brown and Captain Davidson, and they were all to meet
and Tacoma, Washington to investigate the Maury Island incident that
happened on the twenty fourth, twenty first of June. There
are these two individuals, Chrisman and Doll.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They were on a boat and.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Supposedly this flying saucer had fallen from the sky, killing
their dog in the boat, burning one of their teen
age sons, and pieces of this, uh, these UFOs had
fallen to you know, the earth, and they had had
actual pieces supposedly have a flying saucer. And after these
(09:14):
two military men had gone through my grandfather's mail, they
said if anything was to come up, to get a
hold of them. And of course he just thought, wow,
there's proof of a flying saucer, you know, and and
I have definitely, you know, have my military friends meet
me and Tacoma. So he ended up in Tacoma. There
(09:35):
was nowhere in town to check into a hotel, but
he found the windthro Ap Hotel and he called and
they already had a reservation for him, and he thought
that was really strange. There was nowhere in Tacoma to
to find a night to sleep at all, and so
he ended up going there, and he felt like the
room was bugged, just from the way the phone was
(09:57):
sounding every time he would, you know, try to pick
up and make a call, and that was kind of
scaring him.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But you know, anyhow, they ended up all meeting.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Together in that hotel room with these fragments of this
flying saucer, and they were given to Lieutenant Brown and
Captain Navison to fly back to Hamilton Air Force Base
in California, and.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Their plane ended up.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Crashing with the parts of the flying saucer on it
outside of Keilsel, Washington, killing the two military officials.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And my grandfather was so frightened that he.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Wanted out, you know, was just scared by the whole situation.
And as he was flying to leave Tacoma, somebody had
shut the fuel line off of his airplane and he
almost crashed his plane and perished and he landed, you know,
quite carefully and ended up. You know, he was just
(10:58):
so so scared by the whole incident that you know,
and this is you know, the first year that there
was the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The Air Force was created in nineteen forty seven, so.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You know, he felt like it was his fault that
these military men had died. And he was just you know,
just crying sad. I mean, he definitely a scary situation.
And anyhow, he after all this, he was going to
start having these seminars where he would get people together
(11:30):
and talk about, you know, their signings of flying saucers.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And his friend Dave Johnson.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
From the The Ido Statesman, he was an aviation editor.
He is a good friend of my grandfather's and he
was a part time in the Air Guard. But he
took my grandfather out to the desert and had him
walk away from his car and he's like, you know,
your car's bug. Can you need to stop being so
(11:57):
public with your, uh, yours speakings of these flying saucers?
Because my brother's a military man and he's seen the military.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And then and then and then.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Excuse me, and kill their own men for you know,
for what they know, and and being public and you
just really can't talk about what you're you know, have
these seminars because you know it's gonna get you killed.
You just have to start being silent. So like after that,
he kind of stopped being so public with his speaking engagements.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But he did run for.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Governor of Idaho, and you know, he got to meet
President Eisenhower, and he you know, he got to meet
a lot of military officials that he was friends with,
and he just felt like it was his.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Duty to find out what the real reason these flying
saucers were here for. And you know, uh, at the
end of his life, he felt like and kind of
Ray Palmer in the same way they believed in the
Waspy Bible. And one of his favorite quotes in the
Waspy Bible was who but the Creator could create such
(13:16):
a man so great as an unbeliever. But the Waspy
Bible was a bible that like was in the early
twentieth century, written by this dentist that was like a medium.
And they talked about flying craft in the Waspy Bible,
and he thought there was something about that because you know,
(13:40):
they even say now that like the Book of Enoch
in the Bible talked about you know, flying saucers and
and uh, you know aliens that are you know, almost
like angels in a way, but that was taken out
of the Bible. But you know, he felt he connected
and he didn't even know about that, but he connected
with a wasp by Bible a lot. But him and
Ray Palmer both kind of were into the waspy bubbles
(14:04):
beliefs of the Darro that there are these people that
lived under the surface of the earth, which was interesting.
And Ray Palmer thought he had this conclusion that the
flying saucers were the spirits of the dead, and that
was a dangerous theory.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
There were all kinds of theories going on, but your
grandfather stuck with the UFO theory. And he had a
lot of support, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh, he did his friends, everybody he knew, we're seeing
flying saucers after him, they just they didn't know how
to stop it. But you know, he he was offered
fifty thousand dollars from Double Day Books in the sixties
to do a fictional story of his sighting, and he
(14:56):
just wouldn't do it. He just wanted it to be
you know, always to the point of you know, these
things were so extraordinary and and he was an eagle.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Scout, you know, he grew up, he loved his country.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You know, he thought it was patriarchic, patriotic duty to
report what he saw, and you know, and then he
felt like he was unfortunate. Goat that was one that
did it because there were so many unbelievers, you know,
And now, I mean, look at it now. I was
part of moof on this year. I'm really trying to
(15:31):
get my foot in the door with moof on. Last year,
Earl Gray he passed away, but he got me to
be part of the moof on in Dallas, and this
year I was also part of that too. But this
year I met this guy named Alan Steinfeld, and I know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Knew Lyndha Moulton how she met my grandfather when she
was a little girl. Her father was in the military,
and I guess that she was from u Boise, Idaho,
And so I got to talk to her on the phone.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's where I met you about eleven years ago, right, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Boise Now I live in Oregon, but anyhow, yeah, just
it's just crazy because she met my grandfather when she
was a little girl, and I had no idea, and anyhow,
I thought that was pretty cool, just like small world.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But you know, I have admired her.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I mean, I grew up in eupology watching all the
shows I could, you know, absorb, and you know, I
just my grandfather with his beliefs.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I had my own beliefs.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Like you know, he believed they are the connection between
the living and the dead. And I believe that you know,
these uh, they're always seen near volcanoes, and I just
I believe that volcanoes are some sort of pearls into
other dimensions. And that's why you see him flying like
out of Mount Shasta. I hear reports of like people
(17:02):
seeing you know, flying saucers play outside of the sides
of volcanoes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
What did you rather think of the extra terrestrial theory?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He didn't believe in that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He just he believed that they were just internet dimensional
and they were coming from the dimension we go to
from when we when we die.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They were coming from the that dimension.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Is that the fifth dimension, because like we're in the
third dimension, I think is the dimension we're in now.
But yeah, he believed that they they held the key.
Key's the reason why we're here, you know, the connection
between the living and the dead.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
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