August 22, 2025 • 41 mins
Captain Ron goes to the UK as he talks with Vinnie Adams of the Disclosure Team Podcast to discuss his insights on UFO sightings and drone activity across the globe. Vinnie also shares his thoughts on the different approaches to disclosure between the United Kingdom and the United States.
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Speaker 5 (01:13):
Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today I'm
going to be speaking with Vinnie Adams from the Disclosure Team.
Vinnie is a UFO researcher, writer, social media creator and
host of the podcast Disclosure Team. He is coming to
Contact in the Desert this year for the first time ever,
and we're very happy to have him there. And he's
based in the UK, you can tell by his accent,
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and it's going to be very interesting to hear how
disclosure is looked at over in the UK versus how
it is here in the US. Hey, Vinnie, good to
see him, my man, Ron.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's an absolute pleasure to join you here and beyond
contact and also I cannot wait for contacts in the desert.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
You're going to be hooked after your first time, I
promise you that's been the extent. I okay, So listen,
let's start here where you are or over in the UK.
I want to see how are things perceived there, like,
how does it compare.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
To the US.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I know you spend a lot of time here in
the US, so you may have a sense of that.
How is big D disclosure viewed in the UK?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Do you know what Ron? I think? To be honest,
Big D disclosure really isn't talked about at all when
it comes to media and the general public at all. Unfortunately,
we are very much behind when it comes to the
reporting compared to the United States. When it is in
the newspapers, it's very much in the kind of tabloids
and it's you know, little Green men and X files
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type themes. Still, unfortunately, we do have the odd article
pop up here and there. We do have a couple
of journalists that have started to latch onto the subject,
but unfortunately it's just too few and far between to
really grab the general public and bring it into the
kind of mainstream conversation.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Okay, well, what about even in the UFO community in
the UK. Is there a sense that you feel like
it has to originate from the US or it come
from the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think two ways I look at it. When it
comes to that, I think there is a fairly reasonable
size community, but we do kind of interconnect with a
lot of the communities in the United States when it
comes to you know, communication and getting the latest information.
But I do also look at disclosure as a global phenomena,
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so it could come from anywhere really, at any time.
I'm always quite conscious of that. So, you know, the
one thing I will say is it won't come from
the Ministry of Defense because they are so tight lipped
on this, this situation, this this this topic and have
been now for getting on for twenty years. There used
to be a bit more free talking about it. They would,
you know, have released documents every now and again. That
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all stopped and now you just can't get any information
from them. So I think big D disclosure, if it
were to happen, would generally come from other governments.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that it was that way here forever
for fifty five years, and only you know, since twenty
seventeen have we seen a little bit of the government,
you know, the Pentagon papers and the hearings that we've
had and different things where we do start seeing and
feeling like there is a crack that maybe we would
get some form of disclosure. But I always wonder could
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Russia do it? Could China do it? I think if
you know, who knows, I struggle with believing any of
this is even happening. But if it is, you know,
I can imagine there being this infighting or once somebody
realizes China is going to go, maybe Russia wants to
be first, or we want to be first. It may
be a political thing. Do you have any sense of that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Absolutely. I think that we've seen in the last few years,
you know, with the way that the story has been
growing in the United States, that it's unavoidable to you know,
it has to be politicized because people will use it,
you know, people with power, people in Congress. In a way,
it goes hand in hand if we do want anything
to come from the elected officials. But yeah, you mentioned
China and Russia. I think we also have a lot
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of countries in say South America, Argentine and Brazil have
always been quite forthcoming with you know, acknowledging that they
look into this subject as well. I think it only
takes one government to just say right, we're doing it,
and all of a sudden the world changes and yeah,
this is.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
An excellent point exactly what When I think about this,
I think, yeah, a country like Brazil or somebody that's
very open to this and kind of talk about it
already more openly and comfortably among the masses, which is
my understanding of how it is in Brazil. But I
wonder if Brazil came out tomorrow and the president of
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Brazil says, we have UFOs, we've recovered this blah blah blah,
and they don't have the bodies of the ship, if
they would believe it here in the States, I really
wonder that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I agree. I think there's something to be said about
which country says it how they say it at what time,
you know, I think without any anything to show as
evidence alongside the claims made by a smaller country or
not so popular, I think, yeah, I think people would
dismiss it, probably a lot more more quickly.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Even a big country like Brazil, I think, I think
a lot of people here. We would get excited in
the community for a few minutes, but it would not
move the needle, as most things do. I want to
ask you this, how do you feel about the idea
that some people have who who say that there's this
small group in an unacknowledged program that may even be
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a worldwide group, who doesn't care about these country borders.
They you know, they hold this information. Do you think
there could be any truth to that idea.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think it's probably quite known that there are small groups,
certainly within in the kind of the military industrial complex
in the United States. I wouldn't like to speculate on
a global group, let's say, but yeah, I think you know,
we have the white programs and the black programs. But
I always used to think that, you know, these secrets
are held within these gray areas. They have a name
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for them. They call them purple novas. They are very
very small, compartmentalized groups of people in the know, who
kind of you know, I would say, are the gatekeepers
of a lot of this information. You know, I'm pretty
sure they do exist.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Makes logical sense to me that they would, just like
nuclear secrets or anything else. Okay, so if this is true,
we both let's just hypothesize for a second that this
is in fact true, that we've had crash retrievals and
there is a small contingent that knows about this. I
just do not see any way that they release this.
No matter how many of these whistleblowers come forward and
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how many of these things happen, I do not see
an upside for a small group like that that holds
the knowledge of this technology and the knowledge of this power.
What's the upside for them?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, you raise a really good point. I think you're
right in that respect. But what I think we're seeing
is I think we're seeing the old God. A lot
of the people that have been held withholding this information.
I think we're seeing a change. A lot of them
are dying off. You know. It's they've been holding onto
this stuff for so many decades. It's time for a
new generation to come in, and I believe that within
aerospace and sort of non government agencies that have their
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their fingers in this, I think they're realizing that it
may be time to shift possession and start trying to
get somewhere with this, you know, and start not necessarily
wanting to just release it all to the public, but
to get it into the hands of a new generation
of maybe scientists as well, and to kind of see
if we can make more progress with the technologies that
they've kind of had in their possession for so long.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I would love to see that happen. You know, it's
so hard to know what this phenomenon even is. I mean,
I'm sure you've just just bey interviewing people. It's such
a complex thing, so it's hard to know what the
phenomenon is. Let alone, who actually does know the full
picture of what this is, if anyone does.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It is That's the thing. It's so compartmentalized. I think
I can't remember who it was. It might have been
James Fox and correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody that
he said any things that believes that maybe only twenty
people in the whole world who actually know, you know
a decent amount about what all this is about, you know,
and I think you mentioned that. You know, there's so
many possibilities about the origins of what this non human
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intelligence or the phenomena could represent. And for me personally,
you know, my mind changes quite frequently depending who I
speak to and things like that. You know, one minute
it's the interdimensional hypothesis, the next it's the crypto terrestrial
and it always flips and changes, And yeah, I struggle
with that, but I think ultimately as well, I wouldn't
be surprised if we were to learn the truth that
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it would be so crazy and different to what we expected,
we'd probably struggle to even comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I side from disclosure itself, how do you think just
the idea of UFO as being extraterrestrial craft differs in
the UK versus the US, for example, I.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Don't think there is much different, to be honest, I
think it's all goes in hand in hand. I mean,
we are such a close ally we kind of follow
suit with almost everything when it comes to the relationship
between the US and the UK, with like the Little
Brother really, so I think when it comes to UFO
things that I think we follow suit completely. I think
it's all the same.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think that's true, But I think here we have
a very centric feel like. I don't think that that's
on an equal footing. If you will, I think that, yeah,
you guys might listen to the US more than we would,
you know, listen to what the UK has to say.
I just yeah, the hubris we have is kind of horrible.
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Because you've been immersed this for quite some time. Do
you have a sense that something is bubbling under the
surface right now? I sort of do. I've been doing
this for about eleven twelve years, and you know, we
always hear about possible more whistleblowers coming out, microbits of
disclosure coming. Do you feel like we're on the verge
of something right now or do you think it's just
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a typical chatter we always hear.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, I'm an eternal optimist, so I try and look
at things in a positive light, and I do remain
optimal optimistic that I think we may see more continuation
of that throughout twenty twenty five. I think we're the
ride's not over just yet.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
When we come back, we're going to talk to any
more specifically about worldwide governmental disclosure. You're listening to be
on Context on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am
Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm
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Captain Ronald. I'm speaking with Vinnie Adams today from the
Disclosure Team. Vinnie and your show Disclosure Team. Do you
focus specifically on disclosure coming from a government.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Not necessarily No, I mean, it is kind of one
of the main focal points, but I do like to
branch out and try and cover kind of other aspects
as well. I do, especially in recent times, I feel
like the experiencer has taken a little bit of a
back seat when it comes to their having their voice heard,
and so I like to try and bring in experiences
when I can to kind of, you know, hear their
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stories and show that they are not being forgotten. So yeah,
I do try and mix it up a bit. I
think when we get these big stories that come out,
I think there is some focus that has to kind
of stay on the current climate. So I do my
best to kind of weave around that sometimes. And I'm
here still doing it not three or four years later,
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so some weeks agoing well, awesome.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
What would you consider disclosure because a lot of people
seem to have different things that disclosure means to that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's very true. You know, I've not been privy
to witnessing anything myself really. I mean, I've had one sighting,
but you know, I can't say what it was. So
I think for me, I think confirmation from an authority
figure would probably at least begin to give me that disclosure. Well,
I suppose, you know, a president of a reputable country,
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and I think I don't think we'll get big D disclosure.
I think we'll get small D disclosure or even confirmation that, yes,
I can announce that we are being visited by a
non human intelligence, and that in itself would be enough
for me to go, right, okay, Then we can go
from there and find out why are they here, what
do they want, how long have they been here, and
all of the questions that follow. That would be my disclosure,
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my personal disclosure.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
A lot of people, I think unless the president pulls
out the ship and says it from the US, they're
not going to consider it disclosure. Of course, many people
that are experiencers, or many of us who read a
lot of the data, you know, feel like it's already
sort of been disclosed that these people you know they
consider that. Well, yeah, I think it's real.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah. I mean my days in this subject started about
fifteen years ago, just thoroughly researching, and so I knew
almost straight away. Look, there's something to this, and that's
why I pursued it for so long. So it's not
like I need disclosure to continue in this subject. I
think it's valid and I think it's worth, you know,
continuing and trying to bring it into the mainstream. So
and yeah, you mentioned the experiences. I think one thing
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that people always seem to say is that where's the proof,
where's the evidence? Well, we have the test many of thousands,
if not millions, of people who have experienced something, and
for me, that testimony is just as valuable.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Thank you. I feel the same way. And I'm very
frustrated by you my friends that are outside of this
community who just struggle with that and they just write
it off as crazy. No matter what, I guarantee you,
many of people's claims are crazy or disillusions or delusional
or whatever it may be. However, you having a show
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for three four years, I've been doing this a long time.
We've interviewed these people, We've sat at conferences, with these
people and face to face talked to people and they're
as normal as can be and they just had this
crazy thing happen to them. I find that compelling, and
I don't know why we just dismissed that. Even more so,
what frustrates me is when we dismiss people. Uh, there's
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a hundred example that John Mack is my favorite example.
Here's a guy who got to the the top of
his you know, his craft, as the head of psychiatry
at Harvard. He looked at this topic and came to
the conclusion that these people are not delusional, that clearly
something has happened to them.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All of a.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Sudden, he's written off like he doesn't know what he's
talking about. Right before, he said that he is the
smartest guy in the world, top of psychology at Harvard University.
He doesn't get there because he doesn't know what he's doing,
and then to dismiss his findings. It doesn't make sense
to me. I can't think of another field where you
get to the top of your game, you know, you're
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the main quarterback, and then all of a sudden, well,
this guy's no good. It frustrates me. Okay, well, what
about Jake Barber, did you guys get that there in
the UK? And what did you think of that?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, actually I was in the US at the time
when I saw it, so I mean I was, yeah,
I was blown away by it. You know, it was
great that he came forward with his story and we
had this video of this agg objects. But I think
we'll also added some weight behind it, is that there
were other individuals that spoke to back up who he
says he is. You know, we had some real weight
behind him. That was great. I think I always like,
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really really helps in a situation like that. It's not
just one person's word. Again, it's a few people who
are coming from really good backgrounds when it comes to
their patriotism and things like that. So I think we'll
see more from them in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I think Ross Colhart probably vetted him very thoroughly or
given that much time that he's worked. I think it
was eighteen months before this came out. What do you
think of most of these whistleblowers in general? Do you
think that they're all real? There's this move the needle
for people because I don't think like something like that happened,
nothing changed.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's difficult, isn't it. Yeah, I have to try what
I do. I try and not formulate a final conclusion.
I allow myself to take the bits of information when
people come forward, and I add it to the list
or the pile, and then more people come forward, and
it gradually, for me, builds a bigger, bigger picture. I
think it's great that people are willing to talk. It
is good to hear that these people are getting vetted properly.
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I think that's really important. But yeah, it won't move
the needle until they bring some real, hardcore evidence, real proof,
and I think I'll come.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I hope so, man, Because even if you go back
to two thousand and one when they had the disclosure
thing here in America at the at the National Press
Club and they did that, Yeah, I mean, I've interviewed
many of those guys and talked to them and talk
to doctor Greer and everything. The night before that, all
those guys said none of them slept. They were up
all night because they thought the world is going to
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change tomorrow. By noon, everybody will know that this phenomenon
is real and we're going to be living in a
post disclosure world. And it came, some people watch it online.
People in our community went, wow, this is great, and
people outside this community nothing did not move the needle
at all. And that frustrates me. I feel like, is
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that really your your barometer that you need them? We
allowed the craft for that to be real. These are
not slatch guys either, These are colonels in the army.
These are all trained, professional guys. I mean, it's you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think unfortunately with something like that, and we've seen
it many times in the last sort of twenty five years,
that we get these moments that we think are really
going to move the ball down the field. But then
you know, a lot of the members of the general public,
they have their everyday lives to look at, and there's
so much else going on in the world. I mean, look,
you know, with the disclosure project thing you mentioned there
in two thousand and one, it was only a few
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months later that nine to eleven happened. Of course, all
eyes then completely shift onto nine to eleven and these
real world events that are happening in real time. So unfortunately,
these these disclosure efforts kind of get shadowed by these
these things that occur. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Did you pay attention to the congressional hearings that we
had here as recently as November?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's great. I mean, it took fifty years for us
to get, you know, more congressional hearings, and here we are,
in what two or three years, We've had some really
vital people, you know, under oath in front of Congress.
I think that's really important. It would be nice to
have these first hand whistleblowers that we're told about in
front of Congress. But I think what we have to
remember as well is that these public hearings are more
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more of a show than what actually gets spoken about.
In the private hearings, you know, that where the classified
information is really discussed. I think that's where the real
progress will happen. But of course anybody watching this is
can get a bit impatient sometimes, which I understand, but
they want all of that information, so it's a double
edged sword. For me. It's great, but at the same time,
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you know, we want the juicy stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I get frustrated at heck when you see guys rush
that come forward and they talk about this and then
you hear, you know, my friends outside the community, all
they hear is these guys saying, yes, I know all
about it, but I can't talk about it here.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. So I mean I got used to that. It is,
I understand that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And then and then you well, I'll talk about it
in a private skiff with you. Do you know Groush
has still not spoken to these guys. I literally I
just found that out a few months ago because I thought,
like an idiot that I am, I assumed. Well a
week later he went in and told them everything never happened.
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, it's the politics behind is security clearances. Who's got
what level to be able to actually sit in the
skiff and take this information? And I know there was
a lot of back and forth with that happening, And yeah,
it's just a whole game behind it all. There's a
lot of frustration in the wholes of Congress about that,
in the House and in the Senate. So yeah, it's unfortunate,
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it really is.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Let's take a break there, Vinnie. When we come back,
we're going to talk to you more about your overall
thoughts on this phenomenon. After looking at it for nearly
fifteen years. You were listening to beyond contact on the
iHeartRadio went coast to coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking
with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team. VINNI, so overall,
you've had it over a decade, almost fifteen years of
looking into this topic. Do you personally believe that some
of these UAPs are indeed extraterrestrial or non human origin?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I do, absolutely, Yeah. I believe that this has been
going on for as long as mankind has been here,
if not longer. I think it's just a fact. I
say that people hate people who pick up on that,
will like show me the facts. Well, you know, I
think it's.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Enough for me to or come out of this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh I know, No, I mean no. I think there's
enough data and stories and you know, historical records to
show this. And you know, in my research, I think
some of the better cases that I would would consider
to be genuine NHI cases did happen in the fifties
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and the sixties that I just overlooked these days. We're
looking now at you know, the nimits and all that,
those kind of cases which are great in themselves, but
you know, one thing I always say to people is
go back into the historical record, because there are archived
documents where you can see a lot of similarities between
what's happening now and what's been happening in the past.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So where do you sit with the source of this phenomenon?
And I know we're talking about it unknown. I just
like to see where people fall. Like we mentioned earlier,
there's so many different theories that have evolved over the
last few years, from inter dimensional travel to faster than
light speed travel, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials, extra tempestrials, you know, time travelers.
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So where where do you sit and has it evolved
for you over time?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It always, it always changes, And I think you know that.
To me, if I sit down and think about the
extraterrestrial hypothesis that these guys are traveling from vast distances
into space, I always thought that, you know, that's what
we're dealing with, we're dealing with et But over the years,
obviously that's changed with the more study and I've been doing,
the more people I've been speaking to. So, yeah, the ultraterrestrial,
crypto terrestrial, interdimensional, But I think that we're probably looking
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at something that may involve all of those things somewhat combined. Again,
it might be something that we're close to imagining, but
we're not quite there yet. It'd be so far beyond
what we can comprehend. We always anthropomorthesize everything. We think
like a human. Well, we can't think like in an hi,
and so I think it's just outside of our reach
what the actual true origin may be.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I got so many of your thoughts on this because
I feel the same exact way. I feel like this
might be so far beyond our comprehension that we just
can't even get our hands around it. You know. It's
like this phenomenon is so much more complex than just
a distant aerospace company that built a shift that flew here,
which is how I started in this, and I think
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many of us started with the nuts and bolts thing.
Then it developed and you get to hear the stories
from firsthand witnesses and you learn more about it, and
there's so many different phenomenon that seem to kind of
overlap with one another. Also, there seems to be this
component even that has to do with our souls or
our higher consciousness. I think I heard Whitley Strieber recently
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say that some component from the visitors that definitely involves
death in the afterlife, and I think this rings true
from many of the first hand accounts of people I've
talked to. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I certainly wouldn't rule it anything. I don't like that.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I did come from a very nuts and balts research background,
and I've had to lend very quickly for years that
I need to kind of open my viewpoints upon that
and really embrace the kind of consciousness aspects of this
whole phenomenon. I think I can't keep looking at it
in one dimension. There is so much more to it,
and that the more the years go by, the more
these things come out that it is all connected. And
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so yeah, I'm very open now to not trying to
pinpoint it down to one single thing, and that you know, again,
it may be something that's so much bigger than what
we initially anticipated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's one of the hardest things to do doing what
we do is talking about something that's an unknown. The
more people know what's going on, the less I believe them,
the more they're like, Nope, it's actorians, They're coming here.
Every Thursday whatever. The more they know it, the less
I'm likely to believe it. I feel in a certain way,
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the more I learn about this, and the more first
hand accounts I hear, the further from the answers, I
feel like I'm really getting it's getting harder and harder
to get my head around it. And I think this
is going to be a problem for us that most
people don't talk about. I'm always sort of subconsciously thinking
about not just talking to the choir here, but trying
to bring people that don't know anything about this into
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this community and kind of open their eyes to what's
happening here.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think it is.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Easier for my mom, let's say, to get her head around, Oh,
there's another planet and people live there, and they built
a craft and fluid here. Oh, I can kind of
imagine that, you know, starting to talk about inner dimensional
talking to people that have died and lived on other planets.
Now it's like, Okay, you lost right. Doesn't it get
more The more complicated this gets. I think it's going
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to be harder to relay that to the masses.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, I agree completely, but I always again look at
it when I try and look at things from a positive,
I think that just hopping that conversation with people about
this subject is just going to normalize it further down
the line when we do start getting more information, which
you know, again I'm confident we will get at some
point in the future. So you know, it's rather than
me trying to sort of come to a conclusion and
(27:02):
try and tell people is this or is that, just
to make the actual conversation itself something that we can
do without having to kind of really struggle for an answer.
Just that's just normalized the conversation and the subject in itself.
I think that helps massively.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I want to ask you, who do you think does
know about this? If anyone? Is it just the US
government or is it really buried in these deep black budget,
unacknowledged programs that we hear about. I think a lot
of these officials, you know, from ERRO or whoever, who
come out and say they don't know anything and we
don't have anything, they don't know anything. I think these
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guys have total plausible deniability because they don't tell them
and that's who they put out there to be the spokesperson.
We just talked earlier that maybe as few as twenty
people in the world know the full picture. You know,
I can imagine that most people don't know the full story.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
What do you think, Yeah, I think it will always
remain compartmentalized right to the top, right, you know, to
those people. I think there will be the small minority
who may have seen the craft and seen the bodies
and be aware of that, but they may not have
the full picture of you know, where the craft came
from or or things like that.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
So yeah, just how it's getting here. Is it vibrational,
is it inter dimensional? Is it? I mean, even if
you've studied it, I think it's just so far past us.
You can imagine thinking an iPhone to somebody two hundred
years ago, like without all the steps to get to
the iPhone, it would just I don't think they could
even get their head around an iPhone. You know, used
(28:36):
to see in the movies that take a picture of someone,
you know, at a tribe and it would be an
instant of what do you call those an instamatic camera
where the picture comes right out and they'd be like,
you stole my soul or whatever, Like they didn't get
their head around it, you know. I think I think
an iPhone would do the same thing to somebody without
(28:56):
any frame of reference, you know, it is.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And so I do struggle slightly with the thoughts that
a lot of these craft that people see ours, you know,
the TR three B and those kind of stories. I
do struggle with that to some degree. I've not seen
enough evidence or even a hint of evidence to say
that we've cracked anti gravity in that, whereas a lot
of people out there will say, well, we cracked anti
gravity in the nineteen fifties, Well.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Arcor Griss did three We've had it. Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I mean I'd love to believe it, but I
can't blindly believe that. I just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, A lot of this stuff is as scary to
think about and as unknown as the alien idea itself.
You know, who has this knowledge and who's doing what?
You know, we have no idea what let's call it
the alien. We have no idea what the alien agenda
might be, or what it even is. You know, it
could all it could be all of the above. But
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there's so many different races we hear about that people
have claimed to have interacted with. There's different experiences people
have claimed to have had and it's really hard to
pin down what's happening, but it's very hard for me
to deny that something is indeed happening.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Everyone looks at this in different ways, and so it's
just so hot to really know what's going on.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
And I think that you know, we're always looking at
this through our own lens and our own time. They
may even be like waiting for us to evolve to
a certain thing. It's just it's so speculative. So let's
take a break. When we come back, we're going to
talk to any about drones, UAPs, and orbs and other
things people are seeing in the sky. You're listening to
(30:35):
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact and
(31:09):
we're talking to Vinnie Adams today. Like me, I don't
think you've ever had a first hand experience with the
phenomenon or really I think you might have mentioned earlier
you had one UFO sweating that may have been a UFO.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is that right? Back in twenty twenty two, I was
part of a team that went out to Columbia to
investigate a light phenomena that had been seen on a
mountain range out there for hundreds of years, and there
were these kind of glowing orbs that would appear quite
rarely on this mountain. So I went out there, spoke
to a lot of Indigenous people about the phenomena that
their ancestors had been speaking about, and lo and behold,
(31:44):
the night before I left, I actually witnessed that phenomena,
and we actually caught video of it as well. And
so to see these strange plasma kind of orbs at
this mountain peak at nighttime where there are no people
walking up there. The mountains are closed, you know, you
have to get special permission to walk up them, certainly
not at night time. So I have seen a strange
plasma or that is it natural phenomena, a really rare
(32:05):
earthlight of some sort. Potentially, if I was to believe
everything that the indigenous people would say, they would say
it's their ancestors and its spirits, and some of them
would say it is you know, visitors from other dimensions.
So that's my one sighting that I've never been able
to fully conclude.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
You know, it's interesting, how you know, I have one
little sighting myself that I can't think one you know,
So you and I really haven't had serious experiences or
anything definitive or anything big like many people in the
community have, yet we're so immersed within this community. It's interesting.
What makes you so driven to have such a deep
(32:44):
interest in this topic.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know, I grew up, I grew up as a
child in the nineteen eighties and we were just inundated
with such a plethora of fantastic science fiction movies and
TV series, and so I think that as a young child,
it really opened my eyes up to the big questions
of what could be out there and that we're just
not the Bill and end all of you know, the universe.
(33:07):
And so I think that just I just carried that
through my life, just having this curiosity to want to
know more than just this planet, and it never really
left me. And now that I've been doing this for
so long, I feel the more I do it, the
more I need to continue doing it. I could never
just go, well, there's twenty years now, I quit. I'm
just not that kind of person. So I'm in it
(33:28):
for the long run, gotcha.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yeah, this show is UFO centric, of course, but anything
that we don't understand or don't know I'm curious about.
I mean, that's the interesting stuff to me. Hearing what
we already know about over and over on the news
just there's no interest to me whatsoever. I'm only interested
in finding the truth about these things that we don't
know about. You and I are both going to be
(33:50):
taking part in this online conference coming up in March.
I think it's going to be called UFO three sixty Science,
Psionics and Society, and we're going to talk about os
ORBS and government disclosure. There recent drone settings I wanted
to ask you about. It started here I think in
New Jersey around November eighteenth, and we've been dealing with
(34:11):
it for quite some time. Can you give me just
a quick heart take and what you think this is
all about? Wow?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's a difficult one because there has been such
a lack of, you know, really clear information on it.
And this is why it's still to this day is
kind of ongoing, even though we very recently had a
White House statement saying that it was just all FAA
approved drones. Well, I think anybody in this community does
not buy that for one second.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Why all of a sudden would we do this? And
they said that they're doing research and various other things.
What you couldn't be more vague that that was as
lame of an excuse as I've heard about anything. So
I'm we'll obviously dig deeper into this over on the conference,
but that was pretty disappointing that statement. But we see them,
(35:00):
they seemed to be associated with military bases and nuclear facilities.
Is the same over there. I think I heard that
they were seen near Bentwaters in Rundelsham Forest for you guys, right,
which used to be a nuclear for sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, so there's a few bases in that area, so
they were actually over arif Lakenheath I think at the
start of November, And you know, I was following the
story from day one and have spoken to witnesses over
here who were going down to the base and filming
these things and seeing them, and you know, there was
definitely some anomalous activities happening. I'm not saying the objects
necessarily were anomalous, but the way that they were flying
(35:38):
and there was no sound and the lights, and that
these were not your everyday average drones. There was a
lot of confusion. There was fighter jets being sent up
to try and intercept them. And they were just not
getting anywhere close to these things. And then obviously it
switched over to the US, to New Jersey and actually
other places as well. And you know, it's been going
on for a few years here and there as well.
It's not just you know, the end of twenty twenty four.
(35:59):
And I think if you look at the big picture,
I think we've got commercial drones. I think we've got
some advanced type of drones. There is a very small
minority of these that actually could be something genuinely anomalous.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It could be. I just it's so hard to say,
just like all of this stuff, and it struggles from
me because I just wanted to know the answer. I
just hope I lived long enough to get some of
these answers, otherwise I'll feel like all this is all
wasted times. Has your personal worldview changed since you became
involved in the UAP thing.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, I think it's And it's changed me as a person.
I think it's made me realize what's important in my
life a little bit more, you know, materialism and just
the way you live your day to day life. I
think this has kind of made me look at life
a lot differently. Of what's really important, you know. So
I think it's made me more empathic to people, and
I don't know, I feel like I kind of broke
(36:52):
It's kind of a cheesy phrase, but you know, broke
out of that matrix of you know, every day nine
to five, live to work. Kind of feel much better
being in this kind of situation.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
I completely agree. I feel the same way again. And
you often hear many experiencers will say that too, that
they've changed their lives. People that were hunters stop hunting.
They say that they have changed their whole view on
how they should live their lives, which is an interesting
byproduct of this experience.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It really is. Yeah, I mean, I think it's still
every day as a work in progress as well for
me the way, you know, because I just open to
learning new things and looking at things through a new lens.
And I'm happy to I'm happy to, you know, with
even with this whole subject, I'm happy to be wrong
about things. You know. I think a lot of people
might not be able to say that because they're so
convinced that they have the answers and they know this
(37:47):
is that and that is this. Well, I'm very happy
and confident in myself to say I don't really know
that much, and I'm happy to be to be taught things,
and I'm happy to learn and change my mind and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
If disclosure does happen, how do you think this would
impact society at large? Like, do you think we're prepared
for this sort of paradigm shift for the regular folks.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, that's a really big question. I've contemplated in so
many ways. I think everyone's different in how they'll react,
and I think society based on where they are in
the world and things like that. You know, I think
that whatever happens, the human race is resilient. I think
we always bounce back when things happen. It's really hard
to say. I think, you know, it's when people say
(38:29):
the world isn't ready or the world is ready. I mean,
I would never want to speak on behalf of anybody
other than myself. I'd like to think that I'm ready,
and then someone might say to me, well, what if
it's really really scary and it's more than that. Well,
I think I'd still want to know. I have a
young daughter. I want to know what kind of world
that she's going to live in, Even when I'm gone
and things like that, you know. So that's the only
(38:51):
real answer I can give is how I would feel.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, I understand that, yep, And I wonder. It does
feel to me like there is certainly more of an
awareness happening sort of worldwide, I think, and even just
recently at least here, we're seeing an increase Like I
feel like there's been an onslaught of documentaries and shows
lately that are really well done with really credible people,
(39:14):
and I think that's really, you know, kind of entering
the zeitgeist of you will. Are you seeing that in
the UK as well?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mean, we pretty much do get a lot of
the stuff that you guys get. We don't really we
get a few things of our own, but generally is
it's us and I think it's great. I think it's
absolutely wonderful. The amount of people doing podcasts and documentaries
and TV shows. I think it's great. You know. I
often hear people say that it's too saturated now, there's
too much out there. Well I disagree. I think the
more we have the better, because it's more eyes, more
(39:41):
ears listening and watching, being able to then go and
have that conversation with friends and family who may not
have this subject on their radar. I think it's nothing
but positive.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
One last question for you, my man, do you feel
that the Bolivian potato market has been influenced by the
rise and cheap labor in the Venezuela in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Could be you never know? Oh, just a good question.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Yeah, hey man, Where can people find your stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I'm on all kind of social media platforms Instagram, x,
Facebook and YouTube of course have a very familiar black
and white logo disclosure team. All you need to do
is type it in and you'll find it. And I'm
always kind of quite active on all of those, so yeah,
it'd be great to see people there.
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Speaker 5 (01:13):
Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today I'm
going to be speaking with Vinnie Adams from the Disclosure Team.
Vinnie is a UFO researcher, writer, social media creator and
host of the podcast Disclosure Team. He is coming to
Contact in the Desert this year for the first time ever,
and we're very happy to have him there. And he's
based in the UK, you can tell by his accent,
(01:35):
and it's going to be very interesting to hear how
disclosure is looked at over in the UK versus how
it is here in the US. Hey, Vinnie, good to
see him, my man, Ron.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's an absolute pleasure to join you here and beyond
contact and also I cannot wait for contacts in the desert.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
You're going to be hooked after your first time, I
promise you that's been the extent. I okay, So listen,
let's start here where you are or over in the UK.
I want to see how are things perceived there, like,
how does it compare.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
To the US.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I know you spend a lot of time here in
the US, so you may have a sense of that.
How is big D disclosure viewed in the UK?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Do you know what Ron? I think? To be honest,
Big D disclosure really isn't talked about at all when
it comes to media and the general public at all. Unfortunately,
we are very much behind when it comes to the
reporting compared to the United States. When it is in
the newspapers, it's very much in the kind of tabloids
and it's you know, little Green men and X files
(02:34):
type themes. Still, unfortunately, we do have the odd article
pop up here and there. We do have a couple
of journalists that have started to latch onto the subject,
but unfortunately it's just too few and far between to
really grab the general public and bring it into the
kind of mainstream conversation.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Okay, well, what about even in the UFO community in
the UK. Is there a sense that you feel like
it has to originate from the US or it come
from the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think two ways I look at it. When it
comes to that, I think there is a fairly reasonable
size community, but we do kind of interconnect with a
lot of the communities in the United States when it
comes to you know, communication and getting the latest information.
But I do also look at disclosure as a global phenomena,
(03:23):
so it could come from anywhere really, at any time.
I'm always quite conscious of that. So, you know, the
one thing I will say is it won't come from
the Ministry of Defense because they are so tight lipped
on this, this situation, this this this topic and have
been now for getting on for twenty years. There used
to be a bit more free talking about it. They would,
you know, have released documents every now and again. That
(03:45):
all stopped and now you just can't get any information
from them. So I think big D disclosure, if it
were to happen, would generally come from other governments.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that it was that way here forever
for fifty five years, and only you know, since twenty
seventeen have we seen a little bit of the government,
you know, the Pentagon papers and the hearings that we've
had and different things where we do start seeing and
feeling like there is a crack that maybe we would
get some form of disclosure. But I always wonder could
(04:14):
Russia do it? Could China do it? I think if
you know, who knows, I struggle with believing any of
this is even happening. But if it is, you know,
I can imagine there being this infighting or once somebody
realizes China is going to go, maybe Russia wants to
be first, or we want to be first. It may
be a political thing. Do you have any sense of that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Absolutely. I think that we've seen in the last few years,
you know, with the way that the story has been
growing in the United States, that it's unavoidable to you know,
it has to be politicized because people will use it,
you know, people with power, people in Congress. In a way,
it goes hand in hand if we do want anything
to come from the elected officials. But yeah, you mentioned
China and Russia. I think we also have a lot
(04:57):
of countries in say South America, Argentine and Brazil have
always been quite forthcoming with you know, acknowledging that they
look into this subject as well. I think it only
takes one government to just say right, we're doing it,
and all of a sudden the world changes and yeah,
this is.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
An excellent point exactly what When I think about this,
I think, yeah, a country like Brazil or somebody that's
very open to this and kind of talk about it
already more openly and comfortably among the masses, which is
my understanding of how it is in Brazil. But I
wonder if Brazil came out tomorrow and the president of
(05:32):
Brazil says, we have UFOs, we've recovered this blah blah blah,
and they don't have the bodies of the ship, if
they would believe it here in the States, I really
wonder that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I agree. I think there's something to be said about
which country says it how they say it at what time,
you know, I think without any anything to show as
evidence alongside the claims made by a smaller country or
not so popular, I think, yeah, I think people would
dismiss it, probably a lot more more quickly.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Even a big country like Brazil, I think, I think
a lot of people here. We would get excited in
the community for a few minutes, but it would not
move the needle, as most things do. I want to
ask you this, how do you feel about the idea
that some people have who who say that there's this
small group in an unacknowledged program that may even be
(06:19):
a worldwide group, who doesn't care about these country borders.
They you know, they hold this information. Do you think
there could be any truth to that idea.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think it's probably quite known that there are small groups,
certainly within in the kind of the military industrial complex
in the United States. I wouldn't like to speculate on
a global group, let's say, but yeah, I think you know,
we have the white programs and the black programs. But
I always used to think that, you know, these secrets
are held within these gray areas. They have a name
(06:49):
for them. They call them purple novas. They are very
very small, compartmentalized groups of people in the know, who
kind of you know, I would say, are the gatekeepers
of a lot of this information. You know, I'm pretty
sure they do exist.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Makes logical sense to me that they would, just like
nuclear secrets or anything else. Okay, so if this is true,
we both let's just hypothesize for a second that this
is in fact true, that we've had crash retrievals and
there is a small contingent that knows about this. I
just do not see any way that they release this.
No matter how many of these whistleblowers come forward and
(07:22):
how many of these things happen, I do not see
an upside for a small group like that that holds
the knowledge of this technology and the knowledge of this power.
What's the upside for them?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, you raise a really good point. I think you're
right in that respect. But what I think we're seeing
is I think we're seeing the old God. A lot
of the people that have been held withholding this information.
I think we're seeing a change. A lot of them
are dying off. You know. It's they've been holding onto
this stuff for so many decades. It's time for a
new generation to come in, and I believe that within
aerospace and sort of non government agencies that have their
(07:58):
their fingers in this, I think they're realizing that it
may be time to shift possession and start trying to
get somewhere with this, you know, and start not necessarily
wanting to just release it all to the public, but
to get it into the hands of a new generation
of maybe scientists as well, and to kind of see
if we can make more progress with the technologies that
they've kind of had in their possession for so long.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I would love to see that happen. You know, it's
so hard to know what this phenomenon even is. I mean,
I'm sure you've just just bey interviewing people. It's such
a complex thing, so it's hard to know what the
phenomenon is. Let alone, who actually does know the full
picture of what this is, if anyone does.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It is That's the thing. It's so compartmentalized. I think
I can't remember who it was. It might have been
James Fox and correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody that
he said any things that believes that maybe only twenty
people in the whole world who actually know, you know
a decent amount about what all this is about, you know,
and I think you mentioned that. You know, there's so
many possibilities about the origins of what this non human
(09:00):
intelligence or the phenomena could represent. And for me personally,
you know, my mind changes quite frequently depending who I
speak to and things like that. You know, one minute
it's the interdimensional hypothesis, the next it's the crypto terrestrial
and it always flips and changes, And yeah, I struggle
with that, but I think ultimately as well, I wouldn't
be surprised if we were to learn the truth that
(09:20):
it would be so crazy and different to what we expected,
we'd probably struggle to even comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I side from disclosure itself, how do you think just
the idea of UFO as being extraterrestrial craft differs in
the UK versus the US, for example, I.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Don't think there is much different, to be honest, I
think it's all goes in hand in hand. I mean,
we are such a close ally we kind of follow
suit with almost everything when it comes to the relationship
between the US and the UK, with like the Little
Brother really, so I think when it comes to UFO
things that I think we follow suit completely. I think
it's all the same.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think that's true, But I think here we have
a very centric feel like. I don't think that that's
on an equal footing. If you will, I think that, yeah,
you guys might listen to the US more than we would,
you know, listen to what the UK has to say.
I just yeah, the hubris we have is kind of horrible.
(10:14):
Because you've been immersed this for quite some time. Do
you have a sense that something is bubbling under the
surface right now? I sort of do. I've been doing
this for about eleven twelve years, and you know, we
always hear about possible more whistleblowers coming out, microbits of
disclosure coming. Do you feel like we're on the verge
of something right now or do you think it's just
(10:36):
a typical chatter we always hear.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, I'm an eternal optimist, so I try and look
at things in a positive light, and I do remain
optimal optimistic that I think we may see more continuation
of that throughout twenty twenty five. I think we're the
ride's not over just yet.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
When we come back, we're going to talk to any
more specifically about worldwide governmental disclosure. You're listening to be
on Context on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am
Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm
(11:23):
Captain Ronald. I'm speaking with Vinnie Adams today from the
Disclosure Team. Vinnie and your show Disclosure Team. Do you
focus specifically on disclosure coming from a government.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Not necessarily No, I mean, it is kind of one
of the main focal points, but I do like to
branch out and try and cover kind of other aspects
as well. I do, especially in recent times, I feel
like the experiencer has taken a little bit of a
back seat when it comes to their having their voice heard,
and so I like to try and bring in experiences
when I can to kind of, you know, hear their
(11:53):
stories and show that they are not being forgotten. So yeah,
I do try and mix it up a bit. I
think when we get these big stories that come out,
I think there is some focus that has to kind
of stay on the current climate. So I do my
best to kind of weave around that sometimes. And I'm
here still doing it not three or four years later,
(12:15):
so some weeks agoing well, awesome.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
What would you consider disclosure because a lot of people
seem to have different things that disclosure means to that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's very true. You know, I've not been privy
to witnessing anything myself really. I mean, I've had one sighting,
but you know, I can't say what it was. So
I think for me, I think confirmation from an authority
figure would probably at least begin to give me that disclosure. Well,
I suppose, you know, a president of a reputable country,
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and I think I don't think we'll get big D disclosure.
I think we'll get small D disclosure or even confirmation that, yes,
I can announce that we are being visited by a
non human intelligence, and that in itself would be enough
for me to go, right, okay, Then we can go
from there and find out why are they here, what
do they want, how long have they been here, and
all of the questions that follow. That would be my disclosure,
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my personal disclosure.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
A lot of people, I think unless the president pulls
out the ship and says it from the US, they're
not going to consider it disclosure. Of course, many people
that are experiencers, or many of us who read a
lot of the data, you know, feel like it's already
sort of been disclosed that these people you know they
consider that. Well, yeah, I think it's real.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah. I mean my days in this subject started about
fifteen years ago, just thoroughly researching, and so I knew
almost straight away. Look, there's something to this, and that's
why I pursued it for so long. So it's not
like I need disclosure to continue in this subject. I
think it's valid and I think it's worth, you know,
continuing and trying to bring it into the mainstream. So
and yeah, you mentioned the experiences. I think one thing
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that people always seem to say is that where's the proof,
where's the evidence? Well, we have the test many of thousands,
if not millions, of people who have experienced something, and
for me, that testimony is just as valuable.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Thank you. I feel the same way. And I'm very
frustrated by you my friends that are outside of this
community who just struggle with that and they just write
it off as crazy. No matter what, I guarantee you,
many of people's claims are crazy or disillusions or delusional
or whatever it may be. However, you having a show
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for three four years, I've been doing this a long time.
We've interviewed these people, We've sat at conferences, with these
people and face to face talked to people and they're
as normal as can be and they just had this
crazy thing happen to them. I find that compelling, and
I don't know why we just dismissed that. Even more so,
what frustrates me is when we dismiss people. Uh, there's
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a hundred example that John Mack is my favorite example.
Here's a guy who got to the the top of
his you know, his craft, as the head of psychiatry
at Harvard. He looked at this topic and came to
the conclusion that these people are not delusional, that clearly
something has happened to them.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All of a.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Sudden, he's written off like he doesn't know what he's
talking about. Right before, he said that he is the
smartest guy in the world, top of psychology at Harvard University.
He doesn't get there because he doesn't know what he's doing,
and then to dismiss his findings. It doesn't make sense
to me. I can't think of another field where you
get to the top of your game, you know, you're
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the main quarterback, and then all of a sudden, well,
this guy's no good. It frustrates me. Okay, well, what
about Jake Barber, did you guys get that there in
the UK? And what did you think of that?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, actually I was in the US at the time
when I saw it, so I mean I was, yeah,
I was blown away by it. You know, it was
great that he came forward with his story and we
had this video of this agg objects. But I think
we'll also added some weight behind it, is that there
were other individuals that spoke to back up who he
says he is. You know, we had some real weight
behind him. That was great. I think I always like,
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really really helps in a situation like that. It's not
just one person's word. Again, it's a few people who
are coming from really good backgrounds when it comes to
their patriotism and things like that. So I think we'll
see more from them in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I think Ross Colhart probably vetted him very thoroughly or
given that much time that he's worked. I think it
was eighteen months before this came out. What do you
think of most of these whistleblowers in general? Do you
think that they're all real? There's this move the needle
for people because I don't think like something like that happened,
nothing changed.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's difficult, isn't it. Yeah, I have to try what
I do. I try and not formulate a final conclusion.
I allow myself to take the bits of information when
people come forward, and I add it to the list
or the pile, and then more people come forward, and
it gradually, for me, builds a bigger, bigger picture. I
think it's great that people are willing to talk. It
is good to hear that these people are getting vetted properly.
(17:04):
I think that's really important. But yeah, it won't move
the needle until they bring some real, hardcore evidence, real proof,
and I think I'll come.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
I hope so, man, Because even if you go back
to two thousand and one when they had the disclosure
thing here in America at the at the National Press
Club and they did that, Yeah, I mean, I've interviewed
many of those guys and talked to them and talk
to doctor Greer and everything. The night before that, all
those guys said none of them slept. They were up
all night because they thought the world is going to
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change tomorrow. By noon, everybody will know that this phenomenon
is real and we're going to be living in a
post disclosure world. And it came, some people watch it online.
People in our community went, wow, this is great, and
people outside this community nothing did not move the needle
at all. And that frustrates me. I feel like, is
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that really your your barometer that you need them? We
allowed the craft for that to be real. These are
not slatch guys either, These are colonels in the army.
These are all trained, professional guys. I mean, it's you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think unfortunately with something like that, and we've seen
it many times in the last sort of twenty five years,
that we get these moments that we think are really
going to move the ball down the field. But then
you know, a lot of the members of the general public,
they have their everyday lives to look at, and there's
so much else going on in the world. I mean, look,
you know, with the disclosure project thing you mentioned there
in two thousand and one, it was only a few
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months later that nine to eleven happened. Of course, all
eyes then completely shift onto nine to eleven and these
real world events that are happening in real time. So unfortunately,
these these disclosure efforts kind of get shadowed by these
these things that occur. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Did you pay attention to the congressional hearings that we
had here as recently as November?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's great. I mean, it took fifty years for us
to get, you know, more congressional hearings, and here we are,
in what two or three years, We've had some really
vital people, you know, under oath in front of Congress.
I think that's really important. It would be nice to
have these first hand whistleblowers that we're told about in
front of Congress. But I think what we have to
remember as well is that these public hearings are more
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more of a show than what actually gets spoken about.
In the private hearings, you know, that where the classified
information is really discussed. I think that's where the real
progress will happen. But of course anybody watching this is
can get a bit impatient sometimes, which I understand, but
they want all of that information, so it's a double
edged sword. For me. It's great, but at the same time,
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you know, we want the juicy stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I get frustrated at heck when you see guys rush
that come forward and they talk about this and then
you hear, you know, my friends outside the community, all
they hear is these guys saying, yes, I know all
about it, but I can't talk about it here.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. So I mean I got used to that. It is,
I understand that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And then and then you well, I'll talk about it
in a private skiff with you. Do you know Groush
has still not spoken to these guys. I literally I
just found that out a few months ago because I thought,
like an idiot that I am, I assumed. Well a
week later he went in and told them everything never happened.
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, it's the politics behind is security clearances. Who's got
what level to be able to actually sit in the
skiff and take this information? And I know there was
a lot of back and forth with that happening, And yeah,
it's just a whole game behind it all. There's a
lot of frustration in the wholes of Congress about that,
in the House and in the Senate. So yeah, it's unfortunate,
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it really is.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Let's take a break there, Vinnie. When we come back,
we're going to talk to you more about your overall
thoughts on this phenomenon. After looking at it for nearly
fifteen years. You were listening to beyond contact on the
iHeartRadio went coast to coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking
with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team. VINNI, so overall,
you've had it over a decade, almost fifteen years of
looking into this topic. Do you personally believe that some
of these UAPs are indeed extraterrestrial or non human origin?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I do, absolutely, Yeah. I believe that this has been
going on for as long as mankind has been here,
if not longer. I think it's just a fact. I
say that people hate people who pick up on that,
will like show me the facts. Well, you know, I
think it's.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Enough for me to or come out of this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh I know, No, I mean no. I think there's
enough data and stories and you know, historical records to
show this. And you know, in my research, I think
some of the better cases that I would would consider
to be genuine NHI cases did happen in the fifties
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and the sixties that I just overlooked these days. We're
looking now at you know, the nimits and all that,
those kind of cases which are great in themselves, but
you know, one thing I always say to people is
go back into the historical record, because there are archived
documents where you can see a lot of similarities between
what's happening now and what's been happening in the past.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So where do you sit with the source of this phenomenon?
And I know we're talking about it unknown. I just
like to see where people fall. Like we mentioned earlier,
there's so many different theories that have evolved over the
last few years, from inter dimensional travel to faster than
light speed travel, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials, extra tempestrials, you know, time travelers.
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So where where do you sit and has it evolved
for you over time?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It always, it always changes, And I think you know that.
To me, if I sit down and think about the
extraterrestrial hypothesis that these guys are traveling from vast distances
into space, I always thought that, you know, that's what
we're dealing with, we're dealing with et But over the years,
obviously that's changed with the more study and I've been doing,
the more people I've been speaking to. So, yeah, the ultraterrestrial,
crypto terrestrial, interdimensional, But I think that we're probably looking
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at something that may involve all of those things somewhat combined. Again,
it might be something that we're close to imagining, but
we're not quite there yet. It'd be so far beyond
what we can comprehend. We always anthropomorthesize everything. We think
like a human. Well, we can't think like in an hi,
and so I think it's just outside of our reach
what the actual true origin may be.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I got so many of your thoughts on this because
I feel the same exact way. I feel like this
might be so far beyond our comprehension that we just
can't even get our hands around it. You know. It's
like this phenomenon is so much more complex than just
a distant aerospace company that built a shift that flew here,
which is how I started in this, and I think
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many of us started with the nuts and bolts thing.
Then it developed and you get to hear the stories
from firsthand witnesses and you learn more about it, and
there's so many different phenomenon that seem to kind of
overlap with one another. Also, there seems to be this
component even that has to do with our souls or
our higher consciousness. I think I heard Whitley Strieber recently
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say that some component from the visitors that definitely involves
death in the afterlife, and I think this rings true
from many of the first hand accounts of people I've
talked to. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I certainly wouldn't rule it anything. I don't like that.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I did come from a very nuts and balts research background,
and I've had to lend very quickly for years that
I need to kind of open my viewpoints upon that
and really embrace the kind of consciousness aspects of this
whole phenomenon. I think I can't keep looking at it
in one dimension. There is so much more to it,
and that the more the years go by, the more
these things come out that it is all connected. And
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so yeah, I'm very open now to not trying to
pinpoint it down to one single thing, and that you know, again,
it may be something that's so much bigger than what
we initially anticipated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's one of the hardest things to do doing what
we do is talking about something that's an unknown. The
more people know what's going on, the less I believe them,
the more they're like, Nope, it's actorians, They're coming here.
Every Thursday whatever. The more they know it, the less
I'm likely to believe it. I feel in a certain way,
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the more I learn about this, and the more first
hand accounts I hear, the further from the answers, I
feel like I'm really getting it's getting harder and harder
to get my head around it. And I think this
is going to be a problem for us that most
people don't talk about. I'm always sort of subconsciously thinking
about not just talking to the choir here, but trying
to bring people that don't know anything about this into
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this community and kind of open their eyes to what's
happening here.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think it is.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Easier for my mom, let's say, to get her head around, Oh,
there's another planet and people live there, and they built
a craft and fluid here. Oh, I can kind of
imagine that, you know, starting to talk about inner dimensional
talking to people that have died and lived on other planets.
Now it's like, Okay, you lost right. Doesn't it get
more The more complicated this gets. I think it's going
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to be harder to relay that to the masses.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, I agree completely, but I always again look at
it when I try and look at things from a positive,
I think that just hopping that conversation with people about
this subject is just going to normalize it further down
the line when we do start getting more information, which
you know, again I'm confident we will get at some
point in the future. So you know, it's rather than
me trying to sort of come to a conclusion and
(27:02):
try and tell people is this or is that, just
to make the actual conversation itself something that we can
do without having to kind of really struggle for an answer.
Just that's just normalized the conversation and the subject in itself.
I think that helps massively.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I want to ask you, who do you think does
know about this? If anyone? Is it just the US
government or is it really buried in these deep black budget,
unacknowledged programs that we hear about. I think a lot
of these officials, you know, from ERRO or whoever, who
come out and say they don't know anything and we
don't have anything, they don't know anything. I think these
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guys have total plausible deniability because they don't tell them
and that's who they put out there to be the spokesperson.
We just talked earlier that maybe as few as twenty
people in the world know the full picture. You know,
I can imagine that most people don't know the full story.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
What do you think, Yeah, I think it will always
remain compartmentalized right to the top, right, you know, to
those people. I think there will be the small minority
who may have seen the craft and seen the bodies
and be aware of that, but they may not have
the full picture of you know, where the craft came
from or or things like that.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
So yeah, just how it's getting here. Is it vibrational,
is it inter dimensional? Is it? I mean, even if
you've studied it, I think it's just so far past us.
You can imagine thinking an iPhone to somebody two hundred
years ago, like without all the steps to get to
the iPhone, it would just I don't think they could
even get their head around an iPhone. You know, used
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to see in the movies that take a picture of someone,
you know, at a tribe and it would be an
instant of what do you call those an instamatic camera
where the picture comes right out and they'd be like,
you stole my soul or whatever, Like they didn't get
their head around it, you know. I think I think
an iPhone would do the same thing to somebody without
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any frame of reference, you know, it is.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And so I do struggle slightly with the thoughts that
a lot of these craft that people see ours, you know,
the TR three B and those kind of stories. I
do struggle with that to some degree. I've not seen
enough evidence or even a hint of evidence to say
that we've cracked anti gravity in that, whereas a lot
of people out there will say, well, we cracked anti
gravity in the nineteen fifties, Well.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Arcor Griss did three We've had it. Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I mean I'd love to believe it, but I
can't blindly believe that. I just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, A lot of this stuff is as scary to
think about and as unknown as the alien idea itself.
You know, who has this knowledge and who's doing what?
You know, we have no idea what let's call it
the alien. We have no idea what the alien agenda
might be, or what it even is. You know, it
could all it could be all of the above. But
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there's so many different races we hear about that people
have claimed to have interacted with. There's different experiences people
have claimed to have had and it's really hard to
pin down what's happening, but it's very hard for me
to deny that something is indeed happening.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Everyone looks at this in different ways, and so it's
just so hot to really know what's going on.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
And I think that you know, we're always looking at
this through our own lens and our own time. They
may even be like waiting for us to evolve to
a certain thing. It's just it's so speculative. So let's
take a break. When we come back, we're going to
talk to any about drones, UAPs, and orbs and other
things people are seeing in the sky. You're listening to
(30:35):
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact and
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we're talking to Vinnie Adams today. Like me, I don't
think you've ever had a first hand experience with the
phenomenon or really I think you might have mentioned earlier
you had one UFO sweating that may have been a UFO.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is that right? Back in twenty twenty two, I was
part of a team that went out to Columbia to
investigate a light phenomena that had been seen on a
mountain range out there for hundreds of years, and there
were these kind of glowing orbs that would appear quite
rarely on this mountain. So I went out there, spoke
to a lot of Indigenous people about the phenomena that
their ancestors had been speaking about, and lo and behold,
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the night before I left, I actually witnessed that phenomena,
and we actually caught video of it as well. And
so to see these strange plasma kind of orbs at
this mountain peak at nighttime where there are no people
walking up there. The mountains are closed, you know, you
have to get special permission to walk up them, certainly
not at night time. So I have seen a strange
plasma or that is it natural phenomena, a really rare
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earthlight of some sort. Potentially, if I was to believe
everything that the indigenous people would say, they would say
it's their ancestors and its spirits, and some of them
would say it is you know, visitors from other dimensions.
So that's my one sighting that I've never been able
to fully conclude.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
You know, it's interesting, how you know, I have one
little sighting myself that I can't think one you know,
So you and I really haven't had serious experiences or
anything definitive or anything big like many people in the
community have, yet we're so immersed within this community. It's interesting.
What makes you so driven to have such a deep
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interest in this topic.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know, I grew up, I grew up as a
child in the nineteen eighties and we were just inundated
with such a plethora of fantastic science fiction movies and
TV series, and so I think that as a young child,
it really opened my eyes up to the big questions
of what could be out there and that we're just
not the Bill and end all of you know, the universe.
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And so I think that just I just carried that
through my life, just having this curiosity to want to
know more than just this planet, and it never really
left me. And now that I've been doing this for
so long, I feel the more I do it, the
more I need to continue doing it. I could never
just go, well, there's twenty years now, I quit. I'm
just not that kind of person. So I'm in it
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for the long run, gotcha.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yeah, this show is UFO centric, of course, but anything
that we don't understand or don't know I'm curious about.
I mean, that's the interesting stuff to me. Hearing what
we already know about over and over on the news
just there's no interest to me whatsoever. I'm only interested
in finding the truth about these things that we don't
know about. You and I are both going to be
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taking part in this online conference coming up in March.
I think it's going to be called UFO three sixty Science,
Psionics and Society, and we're going to talk about os
ORBS and government disclosure. There recent drone settings I wanted
to ask you about. It started here I think in
New Jersey around November eighteenth, and we've been dealing with
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it for quite some time. Can you give me just
a quick heart take and what you think this is
all about? Wow?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's a difficult one because there has been such
a lack of, you know, really clear information on it.
And this is why it's still to this day is
kind of ongoing, even though we very recently had a
White House statement saying that it was just all FAA
approved drones. Well, I think anybody in this community does
not buy that for one second.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Why all of a sudden would we do this? And
they said that they're doing research and various other things.
What you couldn't be more vague that that was as
lame of an excuse as I've heard about anything. So
I'm we'll obviously dig deeper into this over on the conference,
but that was pretty disappointing that statement. But we see them,
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they seemed to be associated with military bases and nuclear facilities.
Is the same over there. I think I heard that
they were seen near Bentwaters in Rundelsham Forest for you guys, right,
which used to be a nuclear for sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, so there's a few bases in that area, so
they were actually over arif Lakenheath I think at the
start of November, And you know, I was following the
story from day one and have spoken to witnesses over
here who were going down to the base and filming
these things and seeing them, and you know, there was
definitely some anomalous activities happening. I'm not saying the objects
necessarily were anomalous, but the way that they were flying
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and there was no sound and the lights, and that
these were not your everyday average drones. There was a
lot of confusion. There was fighter jets being sent up
to try and intercept them. And they were just not
getting anywhere close to these things. And then obviously it
switched over to the US, to New Jersey and actually
other places as well. And you know, it's been going
on for a few years here and there as well.
It's not just you know, the end of twenty twenty four.
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And I think if you look at the big picture,
I think we've got commercial drones. I think we've got
some advanced type of drones. There is a very small
minority of these that actually could be something genuinely anomalous.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It could be. I just it's so hard to say,
just like all of this stuff, and it struggles from
me because I just wanted to know the answer. I
just hope I lived long enough to get some of
these answers, otherwise I'll feel like all this is all
wasted times. Has your personal worldview changed since you became
involved in the UAP thing.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, I think it's And it's changed me as a person.
I think it's made me realize what's important in my
life a little bit more, you know, materialism and just
the way you live your day to day life. I
think this has kind of made me look at life
a lot differently. Of what's really important, you know. So
I think it's made me more empathic to people, and
I don't know, I feel like I kind of broke
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It's kind of a cheesy phrase, but you know, broke
out of that matrix of you know, every day nine
to five, live to work. Kind of feel much better
being in this kind of situation.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
I completely agree. I feel the same way again. And
you often hear many experiencers will say that too, that
they've changed their lives. People that were hunters stop hunting.
They say that they have changed their whole view on
how they should live their lives, which is an interesting
byproduct of this experience.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It really is. Yeah, I mean, I think it's still
every day as a work in progress as well for
me the way, you know, because I just open to
learning new things and looking at things through a new lens.
And I'm happy to I'm happy to, you know, with
even with this whole subject, I'm happy to be wrong
about things. You know. I think a lot of people
might not be able to say that because they're so
convinced that they have the answers and they know this
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is that and that is this. Well, I'm very happy
and confident in myself to say I don't really know
that much, and I'm happy to be to be taught things,
and I'm happy to learn and change my mind and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
If disclosure does happen, how do you think this would
impact society at large? Like, do you think we're prepared
for this sort of paradigm shift for the regular folks.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, that's a really big question. I've contemplated in so
many ways. I think everyone's different in how they'll react,
and I think society based on where they are in
the world and things like that. You know, I think
that whatever happens, the human race is resilient. I think
we always bounce back when things happen. It's really hard
to say. I think, you know, it's when people say
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the world isn't ready or the world is ready. I mean,
I would never want to speak on behalf of anybody
other than myself. I'd like to think that I'm ready,
and then someone might say to me, well, what if
it's really really scary and it's more than that. Well,
I think I'd still want to know. I have a
young daughter. I want to know what kind of world
that she's going to live in, Even when I'm gone
and things like that, you know. So that's the only
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real answer I can give is how I would feel.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, I understand that, yep, And I wonder. It does
feel to me like there is certainly more of an
awareness happening sort of worldwide, I think, and even just
recently at least here, we're seeing an increase Like I
feel like there's been an onslaught of documentaries and shows
lately that are really well done with really credible people,
(39:14):
and I think that's really, you know, kind of entering
the zeitgeist of you will. Are you seeing that in
the UK as well?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mean, we pretty much do get a lot of
the stuff that you guys get. We don't really we
get a few things of our own, but generally is
it's us and I think it's great. I think it's
absolutely wonderful. The amount of people doing podcasts and documentaries
and TV shows. I think it's great. You know. I
often hear people say that it's too saturated now, there's
too much out there. Well I disagree. I think the
more we have the better, because it's more eyes, more
(39:41):
ears listening and watching, being able to then go and
have that conversation with friends and family who may not
have this subject on their radar. I think it's nothing
but positive.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
One last question for you, my man, do you feel
that the Bolivian potato market has been influenced by the
rise and cheap labor in the Venezuela in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Could be you never know? Oh, just a good question.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Yeah, hey man, Where can people find your stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I'm on all kind of social media platforms Instagram, x,
Facebook and YouTube of course have a very familiar black
and white logo disclosure team. All you need to do
is type it in and you'll find it. And I'm
always kind of quite active on all of those, so yeah,
it'd be great to see people there.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Awesome, Thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. You could
find all my stuff on Twitter and Instagram, at CD
Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert
dot com. Stay open minded and rational as we explore
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