August 28, 2025 • 13 mins
George Noory and author Brooks Agnew discuss the theory that Earth is hollow and the enigmatic science surrounding it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio, Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's get back into what you think the hollow Earth
might look like.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, we were starting to get ahead of ourselves. I
wanted to talk a little bit more about the seismology.
The first seisma graph was actually put together in the
late nineteenth century, and as money became available, we built
more and more of them around the planet. So we
started collecting seisma graphs. These are kind of print outs
(00:29):
of the timing of these vibrations as they traveled through
the Earth. And we collected them for a long long time.
And in two thousand and six, doctor Y Sessions at
Washington University up in your neck of the woods, by
the way, put together a grant and I guess fed
his grad students warm pizza, and they went through six
(00:51):
hundred thousand of these seismograms and put them into a
program to try to create an image of what the
inside of the planet looks like. And what they discovered
was the damping waves of an ocean the size of
the Arctic Ocean underneath the crust of the Atlantic Ocean.
(01:12):
These are waves crashing on the shore inside the planet. Well,
that sent shock waves through everybody. Two thousand and six
was kind of the awakening of not only NASA looking
at the Earth, but other sciences and other scientific organizations
looking at the Earth, saying, what the heck's going on
(01:34):
beneath our feet. Of course, we don't have a way
to actually directly measure, so we have to remotely measure
what's going on inside the planet. And fortunately, around the
turn of the I guess the two thousands, we started
to develop what's called a fast X ray SPECTROSKIPY. Now
(01:55):
to make that kind of simple, it's just a way
of looking at signals that are put off from inside
the Earth at a distance. And one of the things
you realize about science, what fascinates me about science is
you want data, but you want it to be reliable
and repeatable, and you want to look at it from
(02:15):
different angles. And so what happened was they started to
get information about the core of the Earth, and it
really confused them at first, because we always thought the
Earth was a molten ball. You know that we float
through space on tectonic plates like cornflakes and a bowl
of milk. That was our understanding, So to think about
(02:38):
a solid core was really going back to the days
of you know, Edmund Halley and Isaac Newton, where they
were talking about a hollow earth and a solid core
and several layers of crusts, but there was no scientific
data to back it up, just theories or just hypotheses.
So we're beginning to collect information now and one of
(03:00):
the things that we discovered is that the core is
actually solid iron, but it's not like solid cold iron ball.
It's a crystal and it's at a temperature of around
six thousand degrees K, which is calvin Now. In order
for iron to exist at that temperature, it has to
(03:21):
be in crystalline form. So we're talking a huge iron
crystal in the Earth that's stable, and the only way
that can happen is if it's matrix with something else.
And the interesting thing was during the fast X ray
spectroscopy they were getting two peaks, not just one. If
(03:43):
it was just iron, we'd just see one. The second
one confused them. They didn't know what it was. So
Carnegie Science decided to, and this is good science, duplicate
the data in the lab, and so they created a
diamond anvil. It's a big industrial diamond. They split it
(04:04):
in two, put it between two hydraulic rams, and then
in between it they put a crucible and they started
to experiment with materials in the crucible. Of course, hydraulic
rams could duplicate the pressures that we expect to see
inside the planet, and the diamond allowed us to shoot
a laser threw the diamond into the crucible and heated
(04:25):
up to six two hundred degree calvin And when that happened,
we started to experiment with different matrices to get that
second peak, and they found it. It was xenon. The
noble gas is xenon. Well, the interesting thing is that
answered another question that we've had for a long long
time about the oceans of the Earth. We have we
(04:48):
do chemical analysis of the oceans all the time, and
one of the things that we realize is that there's
a lot of missing xenon in our planet. We could
see it in the atmosphere, but it's not present as
it should be partial pressures in the water, and as
it turns out, it's locked into the matrix of the
core of the Earth. And there were the two peaks.
(05:12):
So now we're talking something around thirteen grams per cubic centimeter,
which is immensely dense for the Earth. But you take
the diameter of the Earth and the time it takes
us to go around the Sun, and that means that,
assuming the rest of the planet is about one gram
per cubic centimeter, there's a gap between the core and
(05:33):
the crust, and that is really supportive of Hollower theory.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
How big is that gap, Brooks?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It could be as much as twelve hundred miles wow.
And the interesting thing is that that core is rotating
or spinning at a rate one hundred thousand times greater
than the movement of the tectonic plates around the Earth.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do you think every planetary object is similar?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's a very good question. We look at space with
telescopes and we get snapshots obviously we have them been
looking at space for that long, relatively speaking, and we
see two different ways that planets form. One is through
accretion disc theory. This is a theory where there's a giant,
spinning disk of dust and over time what happens is
(06:25):
that dust begins to collapse in on itself, the center
being the Sun, and maybe spinning little eddies become planets.
And we do have kind of a snapshot of that
happening various places around the galaxy that we look. The
other theory is the electric universe theory, and that is
that in these spinning plasma clouds, there are huge electric
(06:49):
arcs that happen like lightning bolts to go shooting through
all of this, and when it's done, it actually coagulates
planets and suns inside this, and it's rather sudden in
the universe, and we have evidence of both of these occurring.
The accretion disc theory is the one that supports the
idea of hollow planets because as these dust balls begin
(07:12):
to collapse in on themselves, they spin faster and faster
and faster, like an ice gater, you know, pulling their
arms in, and the planet does one of three things.
It either spins so fast that it explodes and you
get something like the asteroid belt, it becomes lopsided and
the heavy parts of it spin off, and it spits
(07:33):
off a moon, and we see that in our own
Solar system with venus and mercury. Or the planet begins
to expand crack and cool, expand crack and cool, and
what happens is the crust actually expands to two or
even three times its original diameter, but it leaves behind
the spinning core. Sometimes there's a core and sometimes there's not.
(07:56):
And the difference we're beating to learn is that planets
that have magnetospheres have a core, solid core that's spinning
at the original speed. The crust, however, because the ice
skater has let her arms out, is now spinning much slower.
That difference in spin rate is what creates the magnetosphere.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Brooks, Is there a hole that one could see from
space in the planet.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, there is some misinformation out there from the nineteen
sixty eight satellites. But you have to understand these satellites
take what are called strip images. They go around and
around and around the planet, but they only take image
maybe twenty thirty miles wide. And then what they do
is they stitch the images together to make a sphere
(08:47):
or to make a round picture, and what you end
up with as a hole in the center because of
the way the images are stitched together. So that's not real.
Thing said, we do not have any publicly available satellite
images of either one of the polls, at least invisible.
We have it in X ray, but we don't have
(09:07):
it invisible. And the reason is because in two thousand
and six we passed the Data Denial Act. A lot
of people and a lot of sciences should be very
frustrated by this, but it allows government to withhold real
time satellite imagery from the public in times of conflict
(09:27):
or war. And I can't in my lifetime remember a
time we have not been in a conflict or war.
So there are no publicly available images of either one
of the poles. Why are they hiding this, Well, it
could be because they don't know anything, or it could
be because they do know something, and I think it's
the latter. In fact, the more that I deal with Washington,
(09:50):
and I do have interactions with congressional panels for my
own state, North Carolina, and I see that when they
have information, they feel like they they're the possessors of it,
they're the caretakers of the curators of it, and they
don't want to let it out to the public. And
sometimes it's because the Department of Defense says, no, we
(10:13):
can't give out this information because it could be fed
into a cruise missile guidance system. They give some reason
or another, and other times it's just because they like
to keep the public dumb. And uninformed, and it's frustrating,
especially for scientists.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Weren't you going to head for the North Pole to
look for the opening?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This was kind of the missing piece for me as
I was writing. I think it was volume three of
the Arc of millions of Years. This was the most
I think the most energetic of the quad was volume three.
We began to realize that there was some missing data
(10:52):
and the only way to get it was to actually
go there and get it ourselves. So the Internet wasn't
what it is today, and I started to do research
to see if anyone had ever done an Arctic expedition
from the ground, not fly over it, but actually sailed
to it, and found out there was one guy named
(11:13):
Marshall Gardener who actually patented the hollower theory, who actually
died on one of the expeditions, and he was never
able to get there because he was trying to get
there by dogs led Since Marshall Gardner, though, the Murmunksk
Shipping Company out of Russia built the Arctica class nuclear
(11:38):
powered icebreaker and we began to contract this boat in
two thousand and eight. This ship is four hundred and
fifty feet long, seventy five thousand horse power, has a
two and a half year fuel supply, and it is
the only ship on planet Earth that can sail above
the eighty six Parallel is not just the ice rated hole,
(12:00):
it's an ice busting hole, a hole, and it carries
one hundred and twenty five passengers. So we began putting
together the funds and this is no easy deal. This
is a three and a half million dollar charter.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it was a big deal. But we put together
our dry run, which is to make our way to Moscow,
Saint Petersburg, and then finally to murmooksk and do a
sort of an introductory documentary to get there. Film it,
interview them, get them excited about the expedition. We were
excited about the expedition. I put together about fifty thousand
(12:35):
dollars of my own money, and we were just all
set to go. We had all of our tickets and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Trains and all of our remember that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And then they locked the whole world down. Somebody just
picked up the phone and said, that's it. We're locking
the whole world down. They called it COVID, but nobody
buys that stuff anyway. We lost all of our money,
and since that time, Russia has been sanctioned and we
can't even buy Russian dressing, let alone rent a Russian
(13:07):
nuclear powered icebreaker.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Is the icebreaker still functioning?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Absolutely? In fact, they've expanded the fleet and they're excited
about the expedition. We're excited about the expedition, and the
new Arctica class boat is really something to behold.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio, Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's get back into what you think the hollow Earth
might look like.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, we were starting to get ahead of ourselves. I
wanted to talk a little bit more about the seismology.
The first seisma graph was actually put together in the
late nineteenth century, and as money became available, we built
more and more of them around the planet. So we
started collecting seisma graphs. These are kind of print outs
(00:29):
of the timing of these vibrations as they traveled through
the Earth. And we collected them for a long long time.
And in two thousand and six, doctor Y Sessions at
Washington University up in your neck of the woods, by
the way, put together a grant and I guess fed
his grad students warm pizza, and they went through six
(00:51):
hundred thousand of these seismograms and put them into a
program to try to create an image of what the
inside of the planet looks like. And what they discovered
was the damping waves of an ocean the size of
the Arctic Ocean underneath the crust of the Atlantic Ocean.
(01:12):
These are waves crashing on the shore inside the planet. Well,
that sent shock waves through everybody. Two thousand and six
was kind of the awakening of not only NASA looking
at the Earth, but other sciences and other scientific organizations
looking at the Earth, saying, what the heck's going on
(01:34):
beneath our feet. Of course, we don't have a way
to actually directly measure, so we have to remotely measure
what's going on inside the planet. And fortunately, around the
turn of the I guess the two thousands, we started
to develop what's called a fast X ray SPECTROSKIPY. Now
(01:55):
to make that kind of simple, it's just a way
of looking at signals that are put off from inside
the Earth at a distance. And one of the things
you realize about science, what fascinates me about science is
you want data, but you want it to be reliable
and repeatable, and you want to look at it from
(02:15):
different angles. And so what happened was they started to
get information about the core of the Earth, and it
really confused them at first, because we always thought the
Earth was a molten ball. You know that we float
through space on tectonic plates like cornflakes and a bowl
of milk. That was our understanding, So to think about
(02:38):
a solid core was really going back to the days
of you know, Edmund Halley and Isaac Newton, where they
were talking about a hollow earth and a solid core
and several layers of crusts, but there was no scientific
data to back it up, just theories or just hypotheses.
So we're beginning to collect information now and one of
(03:00):
the things that we discovered is that the core is
actually solid iron, but it's not like solid cold iron ball.
It's a crystal and it's at a temperature of around
six thousand degrees K, which is calvin Now. In order
for iron to exist at that temperature, it has to
(03:21):
be in crystalline form. So we're talking a huge iron
crystal in the Earth that's stable, and the only way
that can happen is if it's matrix with something else.
And the interesting thing was during the fast X ray
spectroscopy they were getting two peaks, not just one. If
(03:43):
it was just iron, we'd just see one. The second
one confused them. They didn't know what it was. So
Carnegie Science decided to, and this is good science, duplicate
the data in the lab, and so they created a
diamond anvil. It's a big industrial diamond. They split it
(04:04):
in two, put it between two hydraulic rams, and then
in between it they put a crucible and they started
to experiment with materials in the crucible. Of course, hydraulic
rams could duplicate the pressures that we expect to see
inside the planet, and the diamond allowed us to shoot
a laser threw the diamond into the crucible and heated
(04:25):
up to six two hundred degree calvin And when that happened,
we started to experiment with different matrices to get that
second peak, and they found it. It was xenon. The
noble gas is xenon. Well, the interesting thing is that
answered another question that we've had for a long long
time about the oceans of the Earth. We have we
(04:48):
do chemical analysis of the oceans all the time, and
one of the things that we realize is that there's
a lot of missing xenon in our planet. We could
see it in the atmosphere, but it's not present as
it should be partial pressures in the water, and as
it turns out, it's locked into the matrix of the
core of the Earth. And there were the two peaks.
(05:12):
So now we're talking something around thirteen grams per cubic centimeter,
which is immensely dense for the Earth. But you take
the diameter of the Earth and the time it takes
us to go around the Sun, and that means that,
assuming the rest of the planet is about one gram
per cubic centimeter, there's a gap between the core and
(05:33):
the crust, and that is really supportive of Hollower theory.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
How big is that gap, Brooks?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It could be as much as twelve hundred miles wow.
And the interesting thing is that that core is rotating
or spinning at a rate one hundred thousand times greater
than the movement of the tectonic plates around the Earth.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do you think every planetary object is similar?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's a very good question. We look at space with
telescopes and we get snapshots obviously we have them been
looking at space for that long, relatively speaking, and we
see two different ways that planets form. One is through
accretion disc theory. This is a theory where there's a giant,
spinning disk of dust and over time what happens is
(06:25):
that dust begins to collapse in on itself, the center
being the Sun, and maybe spinning little eddies become planets.
And we do have kind of a snapshot of that
happening various places around the galaxy that we look. The
other theory is the electric universe theory, and that is
that in these spinning plasma clouds, there are huge electric
(06:49):
arcs that happen like lightning bolts to go shooting through
all of this, and when it's done, it actually coagulates
planets and suns inside this, and it's rather sudden in
the universe, and we have evidence of both of these occurring.
The accretion disc theory is the one that supports the
idea of hollow planets because as these dust balls begin
(07:12):
to collapse in on themselves, they spin faster and faster
and faster, like an ice gater, you know, pulling their
arms in, and the planet does one of three things.
It either spins so fast that it explodes and you
get something like the asteroid belt, it becomes lopsided and
the heavy parts of it spin off, and it spits
(07:33):
off a moon, and we see that in our own
Solar system with venus and mercury. Or the planet begins
to expand crack and cool, expand crack and cool, and
what happens is the crust actually expands to two or
even three times its original diameter, but it leaves behind
the spinning core. Sometimes there's a core and sometimes there's not.
(07:56):
And the difference we're beating to learn is that planets
that have magnetospheres have a core, solid core that's spinning
at the original speed. The crust, however, because the ice
skater has let her arms out, is now spinning much slower.
That difference in spin rate is what creates the magnetosphere.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Brooks, Is there a hole that one could see from
space in the planet.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, there is some misinformation out there from the nineteen
sixty eight satellites. But you have to understand these satellites
take what are called strip images. They go around and
around and around the planet, but they only take image
maybe twenty thirty miles wide. And then what they do
is they stitch the images together to make a sphere
(08:47):
or to make a round picture, and what you end
up with as a hole in the center because of
the way the images are stitched together. So that's not real.
Thing said, we do not have any publicly available satellite
images of either one of the polls, at least invisible.
We have it in X ray, but we don't have
(09:07):
it invisible. And the reason is because in two thousand
and six we passed the Data Denial Act. A lot
of people and a lot of sciences should be very
frustrated by this, but it allows government to withhold real
time satellite imagery from the public in times of conflict
(09:27):
or war. And I can't in my lifetime remember a
time we have not been in a conflict or war.
So there are no publicly available images of either one
of the poles. Why are they hiding this, Well, it
could be because they don't know anything, or it could
be because they do know something, and I think it's
the latter. In fact, the more that I deal with Washington,
(09:50):
and I do have interactions with congressional panels for my
own state, North Carolina, and I see that when they
have information, they feel like they they're the possessors of it,
they're the caretakers of the curators of it, and they
don't want to let it out to the public. And
sometimes it's because the Department of Defense says, no, we
(10:13):
can't give out this information because it could be fed
into a cruise missile guidance system. They give some reason
or another, and other times it's just because they like
to keep the public dumb. And uninformed, and it's frustrating,
especially for scientists.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Weren't you going to head for the North Pole to
look for the opening?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This was kind of the missing piece for me as
I was writing. I think it was volume three of
the Arc of millions of Years. This was the most
I think the most energetic of the quad was volume three.
We began to realize that there was some missing data
(10:52):
and the only way to get it was to actually
go there and get it ourselves. So the Internet wasn't
what it is today, and I started to do research
to see if anyone had ever done an Arctic expedition
from the ground, not fly over it, but actually sailed
to it, and found out there was one guy named
(11:13):
Marshall Gardener who actually patented the hollower theory, who actually
died on one of the expeditions, and he was never
able to get there because he was trying to get
there by dogs led Since Marshall Gardner, though, the Murmunksk
Shipping Company out of Russia built the Arctica class nuclear
(11:38):
powered icebreaker and we began to contract this boat in
two thousand and eight. This ship is four hundred and
fifty feet long, seventy five thousand horse power, has a
two and a half year fuel supply, and it is
the only ship on planet Earth that can sail above
the eighty six Parallel is not just the ice rated hole,
(12:00):
it's an ice busting hole, a hole, and it carries
one hundred and twenty five passengers. So we began putting
together the funds and this is no easy deal. This
is a three and a half million dollar charter.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it was a big deal. But we put together
our dry run, which is to make our way to Moscow,
Saint Petersburg, and then finally to murmooksk and do a
sort of an introductory documentary to get there. Film it,
interview them, get them excited about the expedition. We were
excited about the expedition. I put together about fifty thousand
(12:35):
dollars of my own money, and we were just all
set to go. We had all of our tickets and.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Trains and all of our remember that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And then they locked the whole world down. Somebody just
picked up the phone and said, that's it. We're locking
the whole world down. They called it COVID, but nobody
buys that stuff anyway. We lost all of our money,
and since that time, Russia has been sanctioned and we
can't even buy Russian dressing, let alone rent a Russian
(13:07):
nuclear powered icebreaker.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Is the icebreaker still functioning?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Absolutely? In fact, they've expanded the fleet and they're excited
about the expedition. We're excited about the expedition, and the
new Arctica class boat is really something to behold.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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