September 11, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and gemologist Leela Hutchison discuss her research into the deadly Selenite Crystal Caves in Mexico, if new species discovered in the caves could have been created with alien microbes, and why the region is the site of so many alleged UFO crashes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Lela Hutchinson with us as a graduate gymologist and Generalogical
Institute of America. The native of El Paso, Texas. She's
the first American woman to enter into the deadly giant
crystal Caves of Mexico. She's written a book called Contact
in the Chihuahuan Desert and here she is, Leila. Welcome back, George.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is such a pleasure to be here and hear your
voice tonight. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How have you been?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Excellent, excellent, really busy and actually headed to Arizona to
speak to the Mineralogical Society of Arizona. It's the oldest
one in Arizona on the earliest images of the giant
crystal caves.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So my work.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Continues, and I'm excited about really sharing my information about
the Chihohan with you tonight and with your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Lots of things going on there tell us the significant
of giant crystal caves.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, I'm going to say, in the big picture of this,
when I went in those crystal caves. I came out
of there wondering what the heck really happened to me?
Number one and two? Why why were they growing in
that particular place in the Chihuahuan Desert, which is outside
of Chiuaba City to the southeast about I'm going to
(01:29):
say fifty to seventy five miles. It sits on the
eastern side of the Sierra Madres Mountains. I think the
most important thing of why I wrote or gave that
the title of contact in the Chawan Desert is because
many years later after my exploration in there, a team
(01:49):
of NASA scientists found extremophiles that were these are like
microbes that have never existed on the planet before, and
they were discovered by doctor Penelope Boston. So it got
me thinking about, you know, we think about extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Having a head and two arms and two legs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But really what if we were being seated and have
been for millions of years through commets and meteorites, which
brings up three eye atlas in some ways in that
curiosity of seeding life through microbial action, that's you know,
in cased in say meteorites, spherals, cosmic spherals. So that's
(02:33):
really that was like the beginning of what is contact
in the desert. Then I started to unpack different mysteries
and paranormal and phenomena and other high strangeness that I
don't have all the answers to George, but it was
just it just really led me on an amazing journey
(02:53):
of about twenty years of research field research as a
matter of fact. And then on top of that, being
born in Alpaso, Texas, I consider that the extraterrestrial hot
zone and realized that, you know, being a child of
the fifties, you know, I was right smack dab in
the middle of all that with Roswell and White, Sand's
(03:14):
Missile Range, Sandia Mountains, the Manzano Lab, the Sandia Labs,
I should say, Monzana Mountain, and some of these crash retrievals.
So it's just started to put all that together and go, well,
you know, contact is a big story, and it could
be the possibility of seating extra terrestrial life through microbial
(03:40):
and fungus and bacteria that is actually not from this Earth.
And here's the most exciting thing. Sixty minutes Australia is
sixty minutes last year they had gone into the Crystal Caves.
It took them two years to even get a per
meant to go in there.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And they met with doctor Boston and the last thing
is said on sixty minutes of Australia said that they
had found twenty four new species inside those caves that
have never been seen on the Earth before.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I know, I know, it's wild. So that's how it started.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
They did this and I you know, I'll probably repeat myself.
I hope not, but they're going to what they did.
They did these fluid extractions out of the largest pylons.
They were water inclusions. And that's when she gave her
report and said that they had found alien microbes. Then
(04:47):
through censoring and things changed because I documented all that
and actually met with her at NASA Moffett Field in
twenty seventeen, they changed the word to ancient.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wow. Did she yeah? Did she deny it?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
She No, she's not going to She's not going to
deny it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But NASA's spun the words around and said that they
were ancient, not alien. But when she first came out
with her paper and at the Advanced Research Association in
Massachusetts in February of twenty seventeen, she really presented to
the scientific community that there were alien microbes that they
(05:32):
had never seen on planet Earth before inside those crystal caves.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Now, crystals grow, don't they.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, they do so like quartz crystals, it takes millions
of years. It has a different process. It's it's high
heat and high pressure. But selenite crystals, those crystals took
five hundred to nine hundred thousand years to grow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Are they alive like a plant in some ways?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I guess you would say it had the perfect a
low temperature and it's an evaporate So actually those crystals
grew in water. And here's what they found out about this.
This is another like a little piece of phenomenon. These
are the slowest growing crystals on the planet. When they
(06:19):
measured it, it grows the width of a human hair.
And yeah, the width of a human hair every one
hundred years. And those pylons are forty feet tall and
as thick as redwoods, like up to six feet in diameter.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Unbelievable. Are they expensive?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, there's no way to really put a value on
it because there are one thousand feet in the earth.
So a thousand feet deep and a lead, zinc and
silver mine.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You really can't extract them, No.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They're absolutely being considered the seventh geological wonder of the world.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They're really something Why there, Yeah, well that's what I said.
That's how this whole thing started.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Why There, I think, And it took years for them
to discover this. There was an ancient in let's see,
it was called the Western Interior Seaway and it literally
spanned over six hundred miles from east to west and
it went maybe two thousand miles from North America into
(07:34):
Central America and then over millions of years, it evaporated.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And where did the water go.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, the water went into the earth and became a
massive aquifer. It left fossils behind, and it left desert
pan just like you know, burning Man, that's in a
gypsum pan. That's where that whole flat desert out there
is residue of gypsum, which is the family name of
(08:00):
Seleni crystals.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So you can see these.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Formations are happening around the world in certain places arid environments.
But in this situation, what happened was they believed that
there were two tectonic plates that actually shifted and literally
created part of the magma got caught in between these
(08:24):
two tectonic plates, and so the water was heated. This
aquifer was heated below and there was a hydrothermal chemical
exchange through the fissures and cracks in the bedrock and
so as the water what happened was the water started
to flood at near surface levels and these were locked
(08:49):
in into limestone, and so it started to grow. The
crystals literally started to grow off the walls in these
pockets because it was the environment of one hundred and
thirty six degrees and one hundred percent humidity. Because they
were growing in water. So if you had never gone
(09:09):
in there and touched that environment, they would still continue
to grow.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You must have been awestruck when you went down there.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I didn't even realize what I was.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, it was absolutely the most stunning thing that
had ever happened to me. And the thing is George,
you know, because it's in a lead working, lead, zinc
and silver mine in Mexico for over two hundred years,
and this was really fascinating. It was it's the most
(09:43):
hostile environment in the mining world to work in because
you can die in there. It's very extremely hot. Those
guys who work there, they work in probably a minimum
of one hundred degrees every day and one hundred percent humidity.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Did they have bear tanks?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
They don't. But what they did is they put in
air shafts. It's kind of primitive in that way. But
inside those bubbles inside bedrock. When we were in there,
it was one hundred and twenty eight degrees, Oh my gosh,
and it was completely solid pitch.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Block in there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
All we had was a miner's helmet. So I had
you asked me if I must have been ostruck. I
had no idea what I was really seeing, because all
they had was this small miner's helmet inside let's say,
a chamber that was maybe two hundred yards Like, I
(10:38):
don't even know how to measure the size of this thing.
Our job was to climb up and over and into
these small crevices and holes and go as far as
we could and explore these crystals and take images.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you ever feel like you were going to be
stuck or trapped?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I did. And actually, it is so hot in there.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Within thirty minutes without any kind of low tech cooling
suits or anything, we had none of that. You can
actually go unconscious, and so that was it was very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And very lethal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You can literally die in there and go unconscious within
five to ten minutes if you're.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, I think you can.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can go on conscious within ten minutes, and you
could you could be dead by thirty's.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
If you have a phobia being confined, that's the place
to be, right.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, it's just wild.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And so when those when the images came out, we
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
We produced them later.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because I was the lead at that time to go.
I had done a lot of rock climbing and just
you know, I was small, and I was I was athletic,
and I could get into places that maybe somebody else couldn't.
So there was a lot of images taken of me
doing that and to document the size and the scope
of these crystals. When we got those images back, I
(12:02):
was absolutely stunned. How beautiful these are, the most optically
clear selenite crystals in the world, and they also have
a optical blue. It's like a higher octave of the
color of blue, this beautiful, gorgeous blue that comes.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Out in some of these images.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And they oh, I say, the largest one is probably
thirty six to.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Forty feet tall.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh my god, how thick anywhere six.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
To eight feet some of the largest pylons.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And they're well documented now for you can find images
all over the internet. But what you won't see are
the images that we took because we did those seven
to eight years prior to any scientific group like NASA,
nat GEO coming in the scientists.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The crystals we see lela at a gemologist or jewelry
store there cut.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Right, yeah, no, they cut from the rough and they
facet them and they and they take. What they do
is they take the gem quality of a mineral, and
that's that's what they do jewelers and they actually jewelers
don't really do that. They fashion the metal a lot
of that. They acquire the stones from other dealers, diamonds
(13:23):
and colored stones.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What does the crystal look like in the in the raw,
basically in the.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Sometimes it's it's opaque or translucent, maybe just very small
points of it are transparent.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And that's the one that they would they.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Would acquire to cut because it's gem quality, which means
that you can see through it like diamonds like you
don't really want you don't really want a diamond that
has lots of inclusions in it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Are they bumpy?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
You mean you solm like crystals? Yeah, Oh my gosh, No,
they're they astorations in it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's part of it it's called windows selenite, so it's
smooth and you can see through it, and then the
satin spar and there's a combination of that. So so
remember the family is gypsum, but there's different variations. So
the windows selenite is where you can see straight through it.
(14:21):
It's very pure, and a lot of your listeners work,
I know they do.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
They work with selenite.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I can't even tell you the thousands of people that
I've met this says, Oh my god, I have it
at my house.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I love it. It's next to my.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Bed, I sleep with it, it's outside. It's just amazing.
So that's part satin spar, so it's bumpy in a sense.
It's got these striations because it's translucent, and then the
windows selenite combined. So when they went into those caves,
that's when they saw some of the most optically clear
selenite in the world. Think about this, George, this is
(14:56):
the seventh geological wonder of the world. It is a
stone wishing that we have something like this on our planet.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's amazing. Now, the title of your book is called
Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert. Tell me about the title.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Oh okay.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So, as I started to do this twenty years of research,
I started to have some memories returned to me growing
up in El Passa next to Fort Bliss Army Base,
and we used to go to White Sands all the time,
next to the missile range. And then also when I
(15:30):
went to a private girls school and they would buss
us up to New Mexico Military Institute, so I'd been
in Roswell. It's crazy, it's just all this stuff. But
when I was a little girl, and I'm saying about
four or five years old, and I think this is
typical for a lot of people who tell their stories
of contact. I remember I had I was sleeping in
(15:55):
a room with my older sister. We had twined beds,
and she was in one side and I was on
the other. And I saw a very bright light that
had come in through the windows and onto the walls,
and I could see the shadows of the trees.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
From our neighbors.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
They were abducted as a kid, I was.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I don't have memories of that. I think they wiped
that out. And a lot of people I've talked to
have shared the same thing. They remember being exposed and
seeing the grays in the window and then having their
memory wiped. Now, this is funny. My sister, My sister
(16:37):
died in twenty eighteen in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
God bless her.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And she had told me, actually she told her daughter.
And I didn't know this because you know, we never
really talked about this as kids. But she said that they.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Came all the time. She remembers gray.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, yes, she could be making it up either, ye,
who knows.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, so they she said that, she said, yeah, they
took my eggs.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So who knows?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes on being contact,
But that was my first and earliest experiment and the
experience of being contacted.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Why do you think this desert, the Chiuauan Desert is
an ET hot zone?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Okay, think about it, because you know so many people
that you've interviewed. How many UFO sightings, crash retrievals have
been documented. How about San Antonio? How about Mexico's Roswell.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
How about.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, but we're talking about in the Chihuahuan Desert now
in New Mexico and Mexico. So you've got the Roswell crash,
You've got the Corona crash, the San Antonio, the Aztec crash.
So these are things that have documented in my book
because they're all connected.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Mexico's Roswell was the big one in the Chuaban Desert
in Mexico, and then Roswell obviously was the one that
really really pulled pulled the you know, the curtain back
on being contacted and visited.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
By Why so many crashes?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, here's where this is what goes back to those crystals.
I think those crystals are beeping signals. I think they're
in something that is beyond our normal hearing. I think
they have a vibration. I know they have a vibration
of two hundred and forty five hertz, which also is
something that I learned that the military uses that same.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Frequency.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Do you think it interferes with the crafts.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I don't think it interferes with the crafts.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I think I think along with the atomic bomb and
the testing there that the UFOs came in for a
closer lurk after nineteen forty five.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Lela Hutchinson with us as a graduate gymologist and Generalogical
Institute of America. The native of El Paso, Texas. She's
the first American woman to enter into the deadly giant
crystal Caves of Mexico. She's written a book called Contact
in the Chihuahuan Desert and here she is, Leila. Welcome back, George.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is such a pleasure to be here and hear your
voice tonight. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How have you been?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Excellent, excellent, really busy and actually headed to Arizona to
speak to the Mineralogical Society of Arizona. It's the oldest
one in Arizona on the earliest images of the giant
crystal caves.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So my work.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Continues, and I'm excited about really sharing my information about
the Chihohan with you tonight and with your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Lots of things going on there tell us the significant
of giant crystal caves.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, I'm going to say, in the big picture of this,
when I went in those crystal caves. I came out
of there wondering what the heck really happened to me?
Number one and two? Why why were they growing in
that particular place in the Chihuahuan Desert, which is outside
of Chiuaba City to the southeast about I'm going to
(01:29):
say fifty to seventy five miles. It sits on the
eastern side of the Sierra Madres Mountains. I think the
most important thing of why I wrote or gave that
the title of contact in the Chawan Desert is because
many years later after my exploration in there, a team
(01:49):
of NASA scientists found extremophiles that were these are like
microbes that have never existed on the planet before, and
they were discovered by doctor Penelope Boston. So it got
me thinking about, you know, we think about extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Having a head and two arms and two legs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But really what if we were being seated and have
been for millions of years through commets and meteorites, which
brings up three eye atlas in some ways in that
curiosity of seeding life through microbial action, that's you know,
in cased in say meteorites, spherals, cosmic spherals. So that's
(02:33):
really that was like the beginning of what is contact
in the desert. Then I started to unpack different mysteries
and paranormal and phenomena and other high strangeness that I
don't have all the answers to George, but it was
just it just really led me on an amazing journey
(02:53):
of about twenty years of research field research as a
matter of fact. And then on top of that, being
born in Alpaso, Texas, I consider that the extraterrestrial hot
zone and realized that, you know, being a child of
the fifties, you know, I was right smack dab in
the middle of all that with Roswell and White, Sand's
(03:14):
Missile Range, Sandia Mountains, the Manzano Lab, the Sandia Labs,
I should say, Monzana Mountain, and some of these crash retrievals.
So it's just started to put all that together and go, well,
you know, contact is a big story, and it could
be the possibility of seating extra terrestrial life through microbial
(03:40):
and fungus and bacteria that is actually not from this Earth.
And here's the most exciting thing. Sixty minutes Australia is
sixty minutes last year they had gone into the Crystal Caves.
It took them two years to even get a per
meant to go in there.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And they met with doctor Boston and the last thing
is said on sixty minutes of Australia said that they
had found twenty four new species inside those caves that
have never been seen on the Earth before.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I know, I know, it's wild. So that's how it started.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
They did this and I you know, I'll probably repeat myself.
I hope not, but they're going to what they did.
They did these fluid extractions out of the largest pylons.
They were water inclusions. And that's when she gave her
report and said that they had found alien microbes. Then
(04:47):
through censoring and things changed because I documented all that
and actually met with her at NASA Moffett Field in
twenty seventeen, they changed the word to ancient.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wow. Did she yeah? Did she deny it?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
She No, she's not going to She's not going to
deny it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But NASA's spun the words around and said that they
were ancient, not alien. But when she first came out
with her paper and at the Advanced Research Association in
Massachusetts in February of twenty seventeen, she really presented to
the scientific community that there were alien microbes that they
(05:32):
had never seen on planet Earth before inside those crystal caves.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Now, crystals grow, don't they.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, they do so like quartz crystals, it takes millions
of years. It has a different process. It's it's high
heat and high pressure. But selenite crystals, those crystals took
five hundred to nine hundred thousand years to grow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Are they alive like a plant in some ways?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I guess you would say it had the perfect a
low temperature and it's an evaporate So actually those crystals
grew in water. And here's what they found out about this.
This is another like a little piece of phenomenon. These
are the slowest growing crystals on the planet. When they
(06:19):
measured it, it grows the width of a human hair.
And yeah, the width of a human hair every one
hundred years. And those pylons are forty feet tall and
as thick as redwoods, like up to six feet in diameter.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Unbelievable. Are they expensive?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, there's no way to really put a value on
it because there are one thousand feet in the earth.
So a thousand feet deep and a lead, zinc and
silver mine.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You really can't extract them, No.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They're absolutely being considered the seventh geological wonder of the world.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They're really something Why there, Yeah, well that's what I said.
That's how this whole thing started.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Why There, I think, And it took years for them
to discover this. There was an ancient in let's see,
it was called the Western Interior Seaway and it literally
spanned over six hundred miles from east to west and
it went maybe two thousand miles from North America into
(07:34):
Central America and then over millions of years, it evaporated.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And where did the water go.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, the water went into the earth and became a
massive aquifer. It left fossils behind, and it left desert
pan just like you know, burning Man, that's in a
gypsum pan. That's where that whole flat desert out there
is residue of gypsum, which is the family name of
(08:00):
Seleni crystals.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So you can see these.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Formations are happening around the world in certain places arid environments.
But in this situation, what happened was they believed that
there were two tectonic plates that actually shifted and literally
created part of the magma got caught in between these
(08:24):
two tectonic plates, and so the water was heated. This
aquifer was heated below and there was a hydrothermal chemical
exchange through the fissures and cracks in the bedrock and
so as the water what happened was the water started
to flood at near surface levels and these were locked
(08:49):
in into limestone, and so it started to grow. The
crystals literally started to grow off the walls in these
pockets because it was the environment of one hundred and
thirty six degrees and one hundred percent humidity. Because they
were growing in water. So if you had never gone
(09:09):
in there and touched that environment, they would still continue
to grow.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You must have been awestruck when you went down there.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I didn't even realize what I was.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, it was absolutely the most stunning thing that
had ever happened to me. And the thing is George,
you know, because it's in a lead working, lead, zinc
and silver mine in Mexico for over two hundred years,
and this was really fascinating. It was it's the most
(09:43):
hostile environment in the mining world to work in because
you can die in there. It's very extremely hot. Those
guys who work there, they work in probably a minimum
of one hundred degrees every day and one hundred percent humidity.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Did they have bear tanks?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
They don't. But what they did is they put in
air shafts. It's kind of primitive in that way. But
inside those bubbles inside bedrock. When we were in there,
it was one hundred and twenty eight degrees, Oh my gosh,
and it was completely solid pitch.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Block in there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
All we had was a miner's helmet. So I had
you asked me if I must have been ostruck. I
had no idea what I was really seeing, because all
they had was this small miner's helmet inside let's say,
a chamber that was maybe two hundred yards Like, I
(10:38):
don't even know how to measure the size of this thing.
Our job was to climb up and over and into
these small crevices and holes and go as far as
we could and explore these crystals and take images.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you ever feel like you were going to be
stuck or trapped?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I did. And actually, it is so hot in there.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Within thirty minutes without any kind of low tech cooling
suits or anything, we had none of that. You can
actually go unconscious, and so that was it was very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And very lethal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You can literally die in there and go unconscious within
five to ten minutes if you're.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, I think you can.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can go on conscious within ten minutes, and you
could you could be dead by thirty's.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
If you have a phobia being confined, that's the place
to be, right.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, it's just wild.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And so when those when the images came out, we
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
We produced them later.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because I was the lead at that time to go.
I had done a lot of rock climbing and just
you know, I was small, and I was I was athletic,
and I could get into places that maybe somebody else couldn't.
So there was a lot of images taken of me
doing that and to document the size and the scope
of these crystals. When we got those images back, I
(12:02):
was absolutely stunned. How beautiful these are, the most optically
clear selenite crystals in the world, and they also have
a optical blue. It's like a higher octave of the
color of blue, this beautiful, gorgeous blue that comes.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Out in some of these images.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And they oh, I say, the largest one is probably
thirty six to.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Forty feet tall.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh my god, how thick anywhere six.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
To eight feet some of the largest pylons.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And they're well documented now for you can find images
all over the internet. But what you won't see are
the images that we took because we did those seven
to eight years prior to any scientific group like NASA,
nat GEO coming in the scientists.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The crystals we see lela at a gemologist or jewelry
store there cut.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Right, yeah, no, they cut from the rough and they
facet them and they and they take. What they do
is they take the gem quality of a mineral, and
that's that's what they do jewelers and they actually jewelers
don't really do that. They fashion the metal a lot
of that. They acquire the stones from other dealers, diamonds
(13:23):
and colored stones.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What does the crystal look like in the in the raw,
basically in the.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Sometimes it's it's opaque or translucent, maybe just very small
points of it are transparent.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And that's the one that they would they.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Would acquire to cut because it's gem quality, which means
that you can see through it like diamonds like you
don't really want you don't really want a diamond that
has lots of inclusions in it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Are they bumpy?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
You mean you solm like crystals? Yeah, Oh my gosh, No,
they're they astorations in it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's part of it it's called windows selenite, so it's
smooth and you can see through it, and then the
satin spar and there's a combination of that. So so
remember the family is gypsum, but there's different variations. So
the windows selenite is where you can see straight through it.
(14:21):
It's very pure, and a lot of your listeners work,
I know they do.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
They work with selenite.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I can't even tell you the thousands of people that
I've met this says, Oh my god, I have it
at my house.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I love it. It's next to my.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Bed, I sleep with it, it's outside. It's just amazing.
So that's part satin spar, so it's bumpy in a sense.
It's got these striations because it's translucent, and then the
windows selenite combined. So when they went into those caves,
that's when they saw some of the most optically clear
selenite in the world. Think about this, George, this is
(14:56):
the seventh geological wonder of the world. It is a
stone wishing that we have something like this on our planet.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's amazing. Now, the title of your book is called
Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert. Tell me about the title.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Oh okay.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So, as I started to do this twenty years of research,
I started to have some memories returned to me growing
up in El Passa next to Fort Bliss Army Base,
and we used to go to White Sands all the time,
next to the missile range. And then also when I
(15:30):
went to a private girls school and they would buss
us up to New Mexico Military Institute, so I'd been
in Roswell. It's crazy, it's just all this stuff. But
when I was a little girl, and I'm saying about
four or five years old, and I think this is
typical for a lot of people who tell their stories
of contact. I remember I had I was sleeping in
(15:55):
a room with my older sister. We had twined beds,
and she was in one side and I was on
the other. And I saw a very bright light that
had come in through the windows and onto the walls,
and I could see the shadows of the trees.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
From our neighbors.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
They were abducted as a kid, I was.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I don't have memories of that. I think they wiped
that out. And a lot of people I've talked to
have shared the same thing. They remember being exposed and
seeing the grays in the window and then having their
memory wiped. Now, this is funny. My sister, My sister
(16:37):
died in twenty eighteen in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
God bless her.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And she had told me, actually she told her daughter.
And I didn't know this because you know, we never
really talked about this as kids. But she said that they.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Came all the time. She remembers gray.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, yes, she could be making it up either, ye,
who knows.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, so they she said that, she said, yeah, they
took my eggs.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So who knows?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes on being contact,
But that was my first and earliest experiment and the
experience of being contacted.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Why do you think this desert, the Chiuauan Desert is
an ET hot zone?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Okay, think about it, because you know so many people
that you've interviewed. How many UFO sightings, crash retrievals have
been documented. How about San Antonio? How about Mexico's Roswell.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
How about.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, but we're talking about in the Chihuahuan Desert now
in New Mexico and Mexico. So you've got the Roswell crash,
You've got the Corona crash, the San Antonio, the Aztec crash.
So these are things that have documented in my book
because they're all connected.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Mexico's Roswell was the big one in the Chuaban Desert
in Mexico, and then Roswell obviously was the one that
really really pulled pulled the you know, the curtain back
on being contacted and visited.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
By Why so many crashes?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, here's where this is what goes back to those crystals.
I think those crystals are beeping signals. I think they're
in something that is beyond our normal hearing. I think
they have a vibration. I know they have a vibration
of two hundred and forty five hertz, which also is
something that I learned that the military uses that same.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Frequency.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Do you think it interferes with the crafts.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I don't think it interferes with the crafts.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I think I think along with the atomic bomb and
the testing there that the UFOs came in for a
closer lurk after nineteen forty five.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
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