September 12, 2025 • 17 mins
George Noory and paranormal investigator Adrian Lee explore his fascination with ghosts that began by seeing the ghost of his great grandmother as a child, if ghosts miss having a physical body, and why he believes people die not once but twice when their spirit passes over to the other side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Adrian Lee with us, founder of the International Paranormal Society
and a member of the Leutan Paranormal Society in England.
He has investigated ghosts at paranormal activity all over the
world for twenty five plus years. Lee first came to
Minnesota early in two thousand and eight to work on
(00:26):
several paranormal video productions and spent a couple of years
working in Minneapolis as the national and international news correspondent
for a live paranormal talk radio show on one hundred
point three KTLK. Lee produces and presents television shows on
scripted paranormal and currently lectures on all aspects of the paranormal,
(00:46):
including ghosts, UFOs, psychic development, and is a regular guest
speaker for moufan. His websites are linked up at Coast
TOCOASTAM dot com. Adrian, welcome back to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
How are you, good morning. I'm doing very well. Thank
you for inviting me on the show today.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
How did you get involved in ghosts?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, that's quite a long story. So I'll try and
keep it a little short. I had some experiences when
I was a small boy seeing my great grandmother haunting
my bedroom. When I was a kid, and my parents
are both scientists, I'm a constant disappointment to them both,
of course, And I said to my dad as a
small child, there's an old woman wandering around my room.
(01:30):
I think it's my great grandmother. And he gave me
a piece of advice that stuck with me throughout my career.
He said, she loved you. She wouldn't want to hurt
you or harm you in any way. And I went
to bed, thinking, yeah, he's absolutely right. My great grandmother's
not going to cause me any issue or any problems.
So I did have a moment of seeing the ghost
of my great grandmother there. It turns out that actually
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gave me her deathbed. When I was a small child
and I needed an adult bed, she'd only just bought
a new bed, and when she died, they decided to
give me her bed. So that was the reason for that.
But then I became a historian, and I studied history
to the highest level, and it suddenly dawned on me
through doing research for several paranormal teams in London that
(02:14):
you can actually have a conversation with a ghost and
ask them what it was like back in the day.
There's a historian. We don't have a time machine. We
can't go back in time and ask people what it
was like in the same way that you'd ask your
granddad what he did during the war. And as a
historian you have to rely on secondary source material. I'm
looking through banking details, obituaries, all the fun things you'll
(02:37):
find in a dusty, moldy old basement of a library
or a historical society, and you collate all that information,
you put it together and it's your best guess as
to what happened back in the day based on that information. Well,
what a revelation that I found out that you can
actually have an interaction with ghosts and you can actually
ask them what it was like. So it's a unique
(02:58):
experience as a historian to be able to actually talk
to spirits, engage with them and ask them what it
was like back in the era. That's primary source material
at that point. So I feel blessed that I can
write my history books from the perspective of talking to
ghosts and spirits and researching the history that's been lost
to the knowledge of man from the lips of the dead.
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So quite a unique combination of things there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And they actually respond back to you, don't they.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes they do.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
People are going to scratch their heads a little bit
and think there's a crazy Englishman right now on the radio.
But you probably know yourself from watching the shows and
doing interviews over the years. If you have equipment in place,
you can actually have empirical evidence. There are devices we
can use where you can hear responses and I can
actually play those for you and you can listen to
(03:47):
them for yourself. There's ways in which they can come
through on other equipment, with EVPs, with spirit boxes, and
of course you have the psychic element as well. And
what's interesting that as a psychic can actually write down
the names and it can actually be verified by the
empirical evidence. And if I've got this neat little triangle
(04:08):
where I do my psychic work, I actually write down
on my notepad the things I'm getting coming through and
I wouldn't show anyone that a psychologist would say. If
you then present your findings in the moment, people are
going to start listening for those things. They're going to
look for those things, and you're kind of twisting your
evidence a little bit there. So I don't show anybody
(04:28):
in my notebook and my psychic notes to start with
Lo and behold, we'd run the equipment and you get
the responses coming through that back up the psychic work.
You get the same names, the same dates, and that's validation.
And then the icing on the cake as you go
to the historical societies, you go through the old newspapers
and you actually find these people that you weren't previously
(04:49):
aware of. And you've got this neat little triangle of
the psychic work being validated by the empirical evidence you're
receiving then proven to be true through the historical research,
and a skeptic would have a lot of problems saying
that that doesn't exist. It's a good way of proving
that the paranormal exists in a nice little triangle of
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evidence there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Adrian, Over the years, what have you now learned about
the paranormal and the other side?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I think primarily, the thoughts of the dead aren't the
thoughts of the living. So the things that we preoccupy
ourselves with, like money, clothes, what are we going to
have for dinner tomorrow? And all of the things that
we get caught up with in adult life, of course,
is removed. If you think about being in spirit, you're
in spirit for an eternity. We get this little sliver,
(05:43):
little tiny fingernail where we have a physical body. And
I think the one thing I get from talking to
ghosts and spirits for the last twenty five thirty years
is they emphasize to me that we need to make
the most of having a physical body. There's many things
they can do in spirit that we can't do with
a physical body, So it's not the end of the world.
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They have skills that we don't have. But primarily they
miss things that are physical. So they would miss the
sun on their face, the rain on their skin. They
would miss hot dogs, hamburgers, they would miss a beer.
They might miss cigarettes, for example, any kind of physicality
and between you and me and I think it's late
enough in the evening. They miss a bit of a kissing,
(06:27):
a cuddle as well, and any kind of intimacy. So
I think ultimately the lesson I've learned is to not
worry about the hamburger, not worry about the glass of wine,
and I kiss and cuddle as many people as possible.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Perfect do they sometimes miss having a human body?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think they would in that aspect. I mean, it
must be difficult for them not to have your favorite foods,
if you think about the things you like eating, if
you think about physical touch. It wasn't that long ago
we had the COVID it's shut down and the carry
it affected people that we couldn't socialize, that we couldn't
meet up with people. But I think the key thing
(07:07):
to remember is this, when somebody dies, we miss that
single person. We mourn for them, we go to their funeral.
Everyone misses that individual. I think what comes through to me,
and what is emphasized by the spirits is that when
they die, they miss everyone. The fractures more painful for them.
We just missed the one person. They miss everybody. So
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I don't think enough attention is paid to the spirits
that are grieving through missing everyone, where we just miss
the single person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did you put together a paranormal team, Adrian?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I did, Yes, I came over here many many years ago. Now.
It always astounds me that you think yourself it wasn't
that long ago. When people say to me, when did
you come here or when did you start investigating, people
of our age would think to ourselves, it was the
nineteen nineties. It wasn't that long ago, And you suddenly
shock yourself by realizing how long ago it was. But
(08:07):
when I first arrived here, I have teams in Britain,
of course, and in Europe. But when I first came here,
I put a team together and I cherry pick the
best people for the job. So I have theologians, I
have tech experts. We build a lot of our own
equipment that no one else has. We have experts on
(08:27):
EVPs and audio. We have historians, we have psychics. So
all of those individuals are in their own teams, and
I encourage that. I've seen a lot of teams investigate
in where they get a little bit annoyed that they
go off and investigate with other people. But I think
it's healthy that you investigate with your own teams. You
go off and do your own things, because you're gaining skills,
(08:49):
you're gaining knowledge. You're seeing our other people work and
how they don't work as well, I might add, and
under those circumstances, I pick the people that I think
are going to do the best in their fields for
the things that I need to prove that ghosts exists
and to write my history books.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
What do you say to people Adrian that say a
ghosts aren't real.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, that's quite a common one. When I was young
and enthusiastic, I may have taken them on a journey
and said, come with me, I'll show your haunted basement.
I think, generally speaking it may be a cliche, but
for the believer, no amount of evidence is necessary, and
for the non believer, no amount of evidence willever be enough.
(09:32):
I have taken non believers into haunted buildings and I've
shown them spirits. They literally appeared in front of us
and manifested themselves, and ultimately they haven't changed their mind.
I think there's a lot to do with the idea
that if you acknowledge a ghost or a spirit being
real and they haven't been in that position before, you
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have to change your entire way of thinking. You have
to change your entire design for life. And I think
generally speaking that people are very lazy. They want to
go home, have their dinner, watch the television, and go
to bed and I think if you start to change
their religious outlook, if you start to change their scientific beliefs,
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they almost don't want to take that on board. As
psychologists would suggest that if you were to prove to
them that they exist, if they take that on board,
they then have to change their entire way of thinking,
and I don't think they want to do that. They
would have to acknowledge that, so it's better for them
to ignore it. So, as I said, when I was
young and enthusiastic, I may have put my armor on,
(10:36):
drawn my sword, and gone into battle. Now I probably
shrug my shoulders and think, well, what you've done there
is just undermined my entire life's work and all of
the history books I've written over the years. But I
will say to you this that when a spirit gives
me information, I don't just write about that, because I'd
be laughed at by every historic academic there is. What
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they do is they give me the information to allow
me to narrow down my research and to find things
that I hadn't previously been aware of. So when they
give me their name, their experiences, the dates they're there,
things that happen to them, I would then research that.
So all my books are fully referenced. They've got huge bibliographies,
they've got all the reference in all the end notes,
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and everything I state that's historic in my books, I've
actually referenced and found it to be true. So I've
not stated anything a spirit would say to me without
backing that up with evidence, of course, but they put
me on the path to my research and allow me
to go and find them.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Adrian An Halloween Night, October thirty. First, we highlight a
program called Ghost to Ghost where we let people call
in with their ghost stories and they're incredible. I mean
absolutely incredible. There's got to be something to this, huh,
you would think.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So here's the thing. I've been in bars in this country,
in the Midwest, and people will say to me, I
don't believe in ghosts, and then they have a couple
of beers and they start to tell me all their
ghost stories, followed by the followed by the sentence, do
you think that's a ghost? So it's very interesting that
people kind of loosen up a little bit. I think
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here's the thing. There's a lot of differences between Britain
and America in terms of investigating, and we can touch
upon that if you want to. But I genuinely believe
that more people believe in ghosts in Britain. We have
a history of Charles Dickens with a Christmas Carol, we
have Hamlet's father appearing in Shakespeare as a ghost. There
is a long history of paranormal activity in our country
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and we're happy to talk about it. We're happy to
believe that this is true. I think in America there's
more inclination to disbelieve that they're worried that they're going
to maybe have fun made of them, or they're going
to think that other people will believe that they're not
quite there, you know. Mentally, I think it's more easy
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going in Britain. It'd be easier in we believe more
in ghosts perhaps than in America. And I'll tell you
a quick anecdote. My mother, who I also mentioned earlier,
was a scientist. My parents had the opinion many years
ago that when you're dead, you just rot and that's it.
And my mother recently had a revelation. She told me
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that she saw a ghost in the house I grew
up in back in London, and this was remarkable for
her for her to say to me, I saw a ghost.
She was leaving the bathroom, walking into the hallway and
there was a small Dickensian boy looking up at her.
You imagine the flat cap and imagine how that little
boy looked from a Dickensian perspective. And my mom did
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something that I'm very proud of. My mom actually said
to this kid, and she didn't scream, she didn't run.
It was very scientific, very matter of fact, very British.
Actually she said to the child, please don't disappear in
that moment, which I was quite impressed with, and he disappeared.
So even the strongest skeptic like my parents are having
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these experiences. And I think sometimes for some people, similar
to UFOs, you have to have the experience, you have
to have seen it firsthand. And I would suggest that
many people that are on my team came into the
paranormal and came into researching the paranormal because they had
their own experiences when they were younger, and they wanted
to prove to themselves that they weren't going mad and
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that there is something out there.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
What do you think of ghost as Adrian, Well, first.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And foremost, their energy. We have devices that measure energy,
so whenever a spirit arrives, it sets off quite a
lot of equipment that we have scientific empirical evidence, and
energy can be measured, of course, So first and foremost
a ghost is energy. It requires energy to turn the
lights on and off. It requires energy to slam a door.
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Just hearing footsteps walking through the house requires energy and
or measurable that energy can unfortunately dissipate, so it dissipates
over time. And I genuinely believe, and I've spoken to
ghosts and spirits about this, that we don't see ghosts
from more than about one hundred and fifty to two
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hundred years ago. It has happened to me. It's not
it has happened. It's very rare. But with energy dissipating,
every time you turn a light on and off, or
bang a door, or turn the faucet on, or make
any kind of noise, that energy dissipates. And it's not
an end to supply. And I genuinely believe that there's
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the possibility, and brace yourself for this, that we actually
die twice. I think we die physically, and then I
think we also die when our energy dissipates. And then
we have an argument or a discussion about what happens next.
But a ghost is a thought. If you think you
want to be somewhere, you are so in spirit. Pretend
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me and you are dead, and we think it's going
to be funny right now early in the morning to
go and flick my mother's ear back in Britain and
scarer because this would be great. But we think ourselves there,
so we are. You don't see a ghost walking from
the cemetery back to the house he wants to hold.
You don't see a ghost driving a ghost car. So
we are a thought. You have to think yourself to
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a place, and then you suddenly appear, of course, which
is what ghosts do, because that thought suddenly puts you
in that place. Now, based on that information, you have
to have an awareness of where you want to hold
because you have to think yourself there. You also have
to have an awareness of what it is to be yourself.
So when people say they see ghosts of cats, they
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see ghosts of dogs, they see ghosts of horses, for example.
Those animals have an awareness of themselves. They're aware of
their names, they're aware perhaps of what they look like,
They're aware of their place within the household and within
their community. If you like, my dog fully knows its name,
it knows what it looks like, and it knows where
it is within my household. So a sense of sentience
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allows you to haunt. This is why we don't see ghostfish,
ghost lizards, or ghost birds, because I would argue those
animals don't have an awareness of themselves which allows them
to think themselves somewhere to then be able to haunt it.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Adrian Lee with us, founder of the International Paranormal Society
and a member of the Leutan Paranormal Society in England.
He has investigated ghosts at paranormal activity all over the
world for twenty five plus years. Lee first came to
Minnesota early in two thousand and eight to work on
(00:26):
several paranormal video productions and spent a couple of years
working in Minneapolis as the national and international news correspondent
for a live paranormal talk radio show on one hundred
point three KTLK. Lee produces and presents television shows on
scripted paranormal and currently lectures on all aspects of the paranormal,
(00:46):
including ghosts, UFOs, psychic development, and is a regular guest
speaker for moufan. His websites are linked up at Coast
TOCOASTAM dot com. Adrian, welcome back to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
How are you, good morning. I'm doing very well. Thank
you for inviting me on the show today.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
How did you get involved in ghosts?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, that's quite a long story. So I'll try and
keep it a little short. I had some experiences when
I was a small boy seeing my great grandmother haunting
my bedroom. When I was a kid, and my parents
are both scientists, I'm a constant disappointment to them both,
of course, And I said to my dad as a
small child, there's an old woman wandering around my room.
(01:30):
I think it's my great grandmother. And he gave me
a piece of advice that stuck with me throughout my career.
He said, she loved you. She wouldn't want to hurt
you or harm you in any way. And I went
to bed, thinking, yeah, he's absolutely right. My great grandmother's
not going to cause me any issue or any problems.
So I did have a moment of seeing the ghost
of my great grandmother there. It turns out that actually
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gave me her deathbed. When I was a small child
and I needed an adult bed, she'd only just bought
a new bed, and when she died, they decided to
give me her bed. So that was the reason for that.
But then I became a historian, and I studied history
to the highest level, and it suddenly dawned on me
through doing research for several paranormal teams in London that
(02:14):
you can actually have a conversation with a ghost and
ask them what it was like back in the day.
There's a historian. We don't have a time machine. We
can't go back in time and ask people what it
was like in the same way that you'd ask your
granddad what he did during the war. And as a
historian you have to rely on secondary source material. I'm
looking through banking details, obituaries, all the fun things you'll
(02:37):
find in a dusty, moldy old basement of a library
or a historical society, and you collate all that information,
you put it together and it's your best guess as
to what happened back in the day based on that information. Well,
what a revelation that I found out that you can
actually have an interaction with ghosts and you can actually
ask them what it was like. So it's a unique
(02:58):
experience as a historian to be able to actually talk
to spirits, engage with them and ask them what it
was like back in the era. That's primary source material
at that point. So I feel blessed that I can
write my history books from the perspective of talking to
ghosts and spirits and researching the history that's been lost
to the knowledge of man from the lips of the dead.
(03:18):
So quite a unique combination of things there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And they actually respond back to you, don't they.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yes they do.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
People are going to scratch their heads a little bit
and think there's a crazy Englishman right now on the radio.
But you probably know yourself from watching the shows and
doing interviews over the years. If you have equipment in place,
you can actually have empirical evidence. There are devices we
can use where you can hear responses and I can
actually play those for you and you can listen to
(03:47):
them for yourself. There's ways in which they can come
through on other equipment, with EVPs, with spirit boxes, and
of course you have the psychic element as well. And
what's interesting that as a psychic can actually write down
the names and it can actually be verified by the
empirical evidence. And if I've got this neat little triangle
(04:08):
where I do my psychic work, I actually write down
on my notepad the things I'm getting coming through and
I wouldn't show anyone that a psychologist would say. If
you then present your findings in the moment, people are
going to start listening for those things. They're going to
look for those things, and you're kind of twisting your
evidence a little bit there. So I don't show anybody
(04:28):
in my notebook and my psychic notes to start with
Lo and behold, we'd run the equipment and you get
the responses coming through that back up the psychic work.
You get the same names, the same dates, and that's validation.
And then the icing on the cake as you go
to the historical societies, you go through the old newspapers
and you actually find these people that you weren't previously
(04:49):
aware of. And you've got this neat little triangle of
the psychic work being validated by the empirical evidence you're
receiving then proven to be true through the historical research,
and a skeptic would have a lot of problems saying
that that doesn't exist. It's a good way of proving
that the paranormal exists in a nice little triangle of
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evidence there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Adrian, Over the years, what have you now learned about
the paranormal and the other side?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I think primarily, the thoughts of the dead aren't the
thoughts of the living. So the things that we preoccupy
ourselves with, like money, clothes, what are we going to
have for dinner tomorrow? And all of the things that
we get caught up with in adult life, of course,
is removed. If you think about being in spirit, you're
in spirit for an eternity. We get this little sliver,
(05:43):
little tiny fingernail where we have a physical body. And
I think the one thing I get from talking to
ghosts and spirits for the last twenty five thirty years
is they emphasize to me that we need to make
the most of having a physical body. There's many things
they can do in spirit that we can't do with
a physical body, So it's not the end of the world.
(06:04):
They have skills that we don't have. But primarily they
miss things that are physical. So they would miss the
sun on their face, the rain on their skin. They
would miss hot dogs, hamburgers, they would miss a beer.
They might miss cigarettes, for example, any kind of physicality
and between you and me and I think it's late
enough in the evening. They miss a bit of a kissing,
(06:27):
a cuddle as well, and any kind of intimacy. So
I think ultimately the lesson I've learned is to not
worry about the hamburger, not worry about the glass of wine,
and I kiss and cuddle as many people as possible.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Perfect do they sometimes miss having a human body?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think they would in that aspect. I mean, it
must be difficult for them not to have your favorite foods,
if you think about the things you like eating, if
you think about physical touch. It wasn't that long ago
we had the COVID it's shut down and the carry
it affected people that we couldn't socialize, that we couldn't
meet up with people. But I think the key thing
(07:07):
to remember is this, when somebody dies, we miss that
single person. We mourn for them, we go to their funeral.
Everyone misses that individual. I think what comes through to me,
and what is emphasized by the spirits is that when
they die, they miss everyone. The fractures more painful for them.
We just missed the one person. They miss everybody. So
(07:31):
I don't think enough attention is paid to the spirits
that are grieving through missing everyone, where we just miss
the single person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did you put together a paranormal team, Adrian?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I did, Yes, I came over here many many years ago. Now.
It always astounds me that you think yourself it wasn't
that long ago. When people say to me, when did
you come here or when did you start investigating, people
of our age would think to ourselves, it was the
nineteen nineties. It wasn't that long ago, And you suddenly
shock yourself by realizing how long ago it was. But
(08:07):
when I first arrived here, I have teams in Britain,
of course, and in Europe. But when I first came here,
I put a team together and I cherry pick the
best people for the job. So I have theologians, I
have tech experts. We build a lot of our own
equipment that no one else has. We have experts on
(08:27):
EVPs and audio. We have historians, we have psychics. So
all of those individuals are in their own teams, and
I encourage that. I've seen a lot of teams investigate
in where they get a little bit annoyed that they
go off and investigate with other people. But I think
it's healthy that you investigate with your own teams. You
go off and do your own things, because you're gaining skills,
(08:49):
you're gaining knowledge. You're seeing our other people work and
how they don't work as well, I might add, and
under those circumstances, I pick the people that I think
are going to do the best in their fields for
the things that I need to prove that ghosts exists
and to write my history books.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
What do you say to people Adrian that say a
ghosts aren't real.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, that's quite a common one. When I was young
and enthusiastic, I may have taken them on a journey
and said, come with me, I'll show your haunted basement.
I think, generally speaking it may be a cliche, but
for the believer, no amount of evidence is necessary, and
for the non believer, no amount of evidence willever be enough.
(09:32):
I have taken non believers into haunted buildings and I've
shown them spirits. They literally appeared in front of us
and manifested themselves, and ultimately they haven't changed their mind.
I think there's a lot to do with the idea
that if you acknowledge a ghost or a spirit being
real and they haven't been in that position before, you
(09:53):
have to change your entire way of thinking. You have
to change your entire design for life. And I think
generally speaking that people are very lazy. They want to
go home, have their dinner, watch the television, and go
to bed and I think if you start to change
their religious outlook, if you start to change their scientific beliefs,
(10:14):
they almost don't want to take that on board. As
psychologists would suggest that if you were to prove to
them that they exist, if they take that on board,
they then have to change their entire way of thinking,
and I don't think they want to do that. They
would have to acknowledge that, so it's better for them
to ignore it. So, as I said, when I was
young and enthusiastic, I may have put my armor on,
(10:36):
drawn my sword, and gone into battle. Now I probably
shrug my shoulders and think, well, what you've done there
is just undermined my entire life's work and all of
the history books I've written over the years. But I
will say to you this that when a spirit gives
me information, I don't just write about that, because I'd
be laughed at by every historic academic there is. What
(10:57):
they do is they give me the information to allow
me to narrow down my research and to find things
that I hadn't previously been aware of. So when they
give me their name, their experiences, the dates they're there,
things that happen to them, I would then research that.
So all my books are fully referenced. They've got huge bibliographies,
they've got all the reference in all the end notes,
(11:19):
and everything I state that's historic in my books, I've
actually referenced and found it to be true. So I've
not stated anything a spirit would say to me without
backing that up with evidence, of course, but they put
me on the path to my research and allow me
to go and find them.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Adrian An Halloween Night, October thirty. First, we highlight a
program called Ghost to Ghost where we let people call
in with their ghost stories and they're incredible. I mean
absolutely incredible. There's got to be something to this, huh,
you would think.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So here's the thing. I've been in bars in this country,
in the Midwest, and people will say to me, I
don't believe in ghosts, and then they have a couple
of beers and they start to tell me all their
ghost stories, followed by the followed by the sentence, do
you think that's a ghost? So it's very interesting that
people kind of loosen up a little bit. I think
(12:13):
here's the thing. There's a lot of differences between Britain
and America in terms of investigating, and we can touch
upon that if you want to. But I genuinely believe
that more people believe in ghosts in Britain. We have
a history of Charles Dickens with a Christmas Carol, we
have Hamlet's father appearing in Shakespeare as a ghost. There
is a long history of paranormal activity in our country
(12:37):
and we're happy to talk about it. We're happy to
believe that this is true. I think in America there's
more inclination to disbelieve that they're worried that they're going
to maybe have fun made of them, or they're going
to think that other people will believe that they're not
quite there, you know. Mentally, I think it's more easy
(12:58):
going in Britain. It'd be easier in we believe more
in ghosts perhaps than in America. And I'll tell you
a quick anecdote. My mother, who I also mentioned earlier,
was a scientist. My parents had the opinion many years
ago that when you're dead, you just rot and that's it.
And my mother recently had a revelation. She told me
(13:20):
that she saw a ghost in the house I grew
up in back in London, and this was remarkable for
her for her to say to me, I saw a ghost.
She was leaving the bathroom, walking into the hallway and
there was a small Dickensian boy looking up at her.
You imagine the flat cap and imagine how that little
boy looked from a Dickensian perspective. And my mom did
(13:42):
something that I'm very proud of. My mom actually said
to this kid, and she didn't scream, she didn't run.
It was very scientific, very matter of fact, very British.
Actually she said to the child, please don't disappear in
that moment, which I was quite impressed with, and he disappeared.
So even the strongest skeptic like my parents are having
(14:05):
these experiences. And I think sometimes for some people, similar
to UFOs, you have to have the experience, you have
to have seen it firsthand. And I would suggest that
many people that are on my team came into the
paranormal and came into researching the paranormal because they had
their own experiences when they were younger, and they wanted
to prove to themselves that they weren't going mad and
(14:27):
that there is something out there.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
What do you think of ghost as Adrian, Well, first.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And foremost, their energy. We have devices that measure energy,
so whenever a spirit arrives, it sets off quite a
lot of equipment that we have scientific empirical evidence, and
energy can be measured, of course, So first and foremost
a ghost is energy. It requires energy to turn the
lights on and off. It requires energy to slam a door.
(14:55):
Just hearing footsteps walking through the house requires energy and
or measurable that energy can unfortunately dissipate, so it dissipates
over time. And I genuinely believe, and I've spoken to
ghosts and spirits about this, that we don't see ghosts
from more than about one hundred and fifty to two
(15:16):
hundred years ago. It has happened to me. It's not
it has happened. It's very rare. But with energy dissipating,
every time you turn a light on and off, or
bang a door, or turn the faucet on, or make
any kind of noise, that energy dissipates. And it's not
an end to supply. And I genuinely believe that there's
(15:36):
the possibility, and brace yourself for this, that we actually
die twice. I think we die physically, and then I
think we also die when our energy dissipates. And then
we have an argument or a discussion about what happens next.
But a ghost is a thought. If you think you
want to be somewhere, you are so in spirit. Pretend
(16:00):
me and you are dead, and we think it's going
to be funny right now early in the morning to
go and flick my mother's ear back in Britain and
scarer because this would be great. But we think ourselves there,
so we are. You don't see a ghost walking from
the cemetery back to the house he wants to hold.
You don't see a ghost driving a ghost car. So
we are a thought. You have to think yourself to
(16:20):
a place, and then you suddenly appear, of course, which
is what ghosts do, because that thought suddenly puts you
in that place. Now, based on that information, you have
to have an awareness of where you want to hold
because you have to think yourself there. You also have
to have an awareness of what it is to be yourself.
So when people say they see ghosts of cats, they
(16:41):
see ghosts of dogs, they see ghosts of horses, for example.
Those animals have an awareness of themselves. They're aware of
their names, they're aware perhaps of what they look like,
They're aware of their place within the household and within
their community. If you like, my dog fully knows its name,
it knows what it looks like, and it knows where
it is within my household. So a sense of sentience
(17:04):
allows you to haunt. This is why we don't see ghostfish,
ghost lizards, or ghost birds, because I would argue those
animals don't have an awareness of themselves which allows them
to think themselves somewhere to then be able to haunt it.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
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