September 20, 2025 • 17 mins
Guest host Ryan Wrecker and Dr. Helane Wahbeh discuss her research into human intuition and telepathy, why many intuitions and psychic connections are based on emotional bonds between people, and her experiments with people claiming to channel messages from extraterrestrials waiting for a major event on Earth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back. I'm Ryan Recker, joining us for the
next couple of hours. Guess I'm really interested in learning
more about our research at the Institute for Noetics Sciences.
He's also an adjunct assistant professor at the Department in
Neurology in Oregon Health in Science University. Doctor Helena Wambay,
(00:25):
thank you so much for joining us this night.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Ryan, It's wonderful to be here with you today.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was trying to get an idea of what your
job is like, and I know that you have the
connection to the university. And when I think about channeling
at a university, I think about Bill Murray at the
start of Ghostbusters and he has the two students there
and he's holding up different symbols to see if they
can read the card, and if they get it wrong,
(00:56):
he's zapps them. Is that what you do?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's a great image. I love that. So at the
Institute of Noetic Sciences, we do a lot of different experiments,
but not quite like Bill Murray did. But you know,
I think what he was doing was a zener card
and we definitely don't do shocks or a punishment if
you get it wrong. It was different though, Well yes,
(01:26):
So you know, we have a lot of really wonderful
studies going on right now, but one in particular I
can share about telepathy or mind to mind communication. So
I don't know if you've experienced this, Ryan, where you
get a mental image and you're like, oh, I need
(01:46):
to call so and so right away, and then you
call them and you find out that they were in
trouble or something was going on with them, or you
get this, you know, just download of information and you
have no clue where it came from, but then it
turned out to be connected to a friend or a
loved one, or maybe your telephone rang and it was
(02:08):
before you had poller ID and you're like, okay, I
totally know who's calling me. So these are various ways
that people experience telepathy just spontaneously in the day to day,
and so we're studying that formally in the lab. So
we're and this is actually an ongoing study, So if
(02:30):
anyone who's listening has experienced this, please get in touch
with us. We're looking for pairs of bonded people emotionally
bonded people who have had this type of experience and
so you know, we haven't fell out questionnaires and gets
more information about what their experience is like. And then
(02:53):
we have them do an experiment online with Zoom where
we invite one of the pairs, let's call it person A.
We ask person A to send positive intention for its
person B and they're completely in separate Zoom rooms and
(03:15):
we you know, show the video so that we can
tell they aren't cheating, and they aren't, you know, the
person's not in the room with them, or they aren't
using their phone, and person AS is either sending their
intention or they're calculating. They're subtracting by three starting with
(03:35):
starting at one hundred, and then person B has to
guess are they sending me positive intention or not? And
so we do ten trials like this, and then we
switch and person B gets to be the intender versus
doing the maths. So this has been a really fascinating
(03:57):
study because we have many, many pairs of peace people
who are performing above chance guessing if the other person
is positively intending towards them. Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know, it's interesting because you talk about this connection
you have out of nowhere. You get something in your
mind that says I should reach out to that person,
and often you hear that it's too late, Meaning you
may have someone that you are close to pass away
and you'll hear someone else say I was just thinking
about them a week ago, and I meant to call
(04:33):
them and I never did. So I find I hear
stories like that all the time. And you mentioned that
sometimes these people are bonded together. Do you find that
you have these sort of intuitions, these thoughts with people
you're bonded to, or can you be bonded to anyone?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think we can be emotionally connected to anyone, and
yet it's stronger for people who we have an emotional
tie to. So let me let me say that in
a different way at ions. You know, we have this
premise that everybody is interconnected and connected in some way,
(05:16):
and so at some basic level we're hypothesizing that. Say
you and I are connected Ryan in some way, even
though I don't really know you right or you don't
really know me, but we're connected in some way. And
yet me and my mother might have a much easier
time doing that task than you and I would, even
(05:39):
though you and I may also be connected at that
kind of fundamental interconnected aspect of reality.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Interesting. You know, when I go to the website and
I was looking at noetic dot org and one of
the things you mentioned, there's twenty nine different terms for channeling.
When you started to research it, it was all called
different things. What else might we know this by? What
are there some other terms?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
H This was a total can of worms when I
first started working at the Institute of Noetic Sciences or ions,
because what I knew is channeling. You know, people were
calling different things, and so I mentioned this premise that
we're all interconnected. So we also have this hypothesis that
(06:30):
all humans have the ability to tap into noedic wisdom
or inner wisdom, to have this ability to access information
and energy from beyond time and space. And the way
that shows up for people is really quite unique. Like
everyone could probably say that they've had a gut hunch
(06:53):
that turned out to be true. That's really common, you know,
people could just call that intuition. But then on the
other side of this spectrum you have more rare experiences
like mediumship where mediums believe that they can communicate with
deceased people, and trance channelers which is what people often
(07:15):
think about when they hear the word channeling. Trans Channelers
believe that their body can be used as a vehicle
for a non physical being to speak through them, whether
that's your deceased aunt Sally, or an extraterrestrial or you know,
ascended master who knows. People have lots of ideas about
(07:40):
what the source of that trance channeling is, and then
you have everything in between, you know, knowing the future,
or being able to sense distant targets, being able to
get information from dreams. There's quite very diverse experiences of
(08:02):
how we access this intuitive wisdom, which I would called
all of that channeling, but it's also called extrasensory perception
or you know, being psychic or being intuitive. People give
it lots of different names. So I give that all
(08:23):
those umbrella, all those diverse experiences are under the umbrella
of channeling. But then you can look at that trance
channeling specifically, which is one of the areas that I'm
personally very interested in exploring.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So what are some of the more I don't want
to use the term bizarre, but what are some of
the more interesting cases you've seen play out?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So I've been doing a number of studies on channeling
in general and trans channeling specifically include, you know, having
people come to the lab and we hook them up
to EEG and EKG and that's brain waves and heart
waves and see if there's differences in their brain when
(09:12):
they are in the channeling state versus the non channeling state.
So that was a really wonderful study. We've looked at
if this phenomenon runs in families, if there's some sort
of genetic component, which is really interesting. But I think
the most far out, which is what I'm really into now,
(09:34):
is there are so many more trance channelers who believe
that the source of the information they're receiving are extraterrestrials.
And so I saw this popping up all over the place,
and of course, you know, this show is very familiar
with the kind of UAP renaissance, if you will. And
(09:54):
so I just finished a formal study looking at trance
channeled content that is believed to have come from extraterrestrials.
And we ended up with like six thousand pages of
this trance channeled content. And we took all that information
(10:16):
and we compared it to Euphodex, which was created by
Ryan Woods maybe you know him. So that's you know,
euphological data that has been gotten from the military and
from the disclosure of documents, so like you know, materialistic
UFO information. And we asked both data sets ten different
(10:42):
questions about things like disclosure, the purpose of their visits,
relationships with humans, their communication methods, space travel, belief systems,
galactic federations, and technology. And what was so incredible is
(11:03):
that the answers to those questions, whether it came from
the trans channelers or the euphodex were actually incredibly similar.
And I was not expecting that. I was expecting that
there would be a lot more differences, but there were
(11:25):
definite overlaps in the information that you know, say the
militaries receiving and whatever activities they're doing, versus what this
trans channeler is bringing through through this supposed extraterrestrial And
the main difference was, you know, the channeled content was
(11:50):
much more kind of consciousness based and focused on supporting
humanity to kind of away or evolve or work on
it's kind of personal and collective growth, to rise above
the kind of egoistic competitive nature, and to understand kind
(12:17):
of the true nature of who we are as humans,
and yet there are a lot of other pieces that
were really quite similar. So I had a lot of
fun with that project. And that's kind of the most
far out there line of research that I've done, and
(12:38):
I'm continuing that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Go ahead, how do you cross out, let's say, old
Star Trek episodes? So there's things in pop culture that
people may have implanted in their head where they learned
it from a sci fi movie or book or magazine,
And how do you know they're just not repeating something
that they were exposed to already. How can you tell
(13:01):
it's coming from somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's a great question. And in this particular case, we
got the content from like eighty three different trans channelers,
and it was data that they had already collected, so
we couldn't really be very particular about where that was
coming from. And you know, we didn't get into their
(13:27):
background of like, hey, are you a sci fi buff
or something? And to this influence what your trans channeling is.
And so that's why I'm doing this follow up study,
and it's with it's a prospective study, and I'm basically
doing a structured interview of three trans channelers when they're
(13:51):
in a channeled state when they are supposedly channeling an
ET and we're going through these, you know, almost forty
different questions, and we set the intention to connect with
different ET races and go through this, you know, the
(14:13):
same questions for each one of those, and then this
study's not quite done yet, but the goal will be
to compare the information. So let's say, just to give
you an example, the ET is supposedly a Palladian and
channel or a B and C all have sessions where
(14:35):
it's supposedly a Palladian and I'm asking all those same questions,
and then we can do a sophisticated semantic analysis to
see how similar those are, and then we repeat that
for the Grays and the Arcturians, and Thenromedins and the Antarians.
So watching Star Trek is not going to give you
(14:59):
that level of detail. And I don't think it would
be replicated across these particular channelers because I know their
history and I know they aren't sci fi buffs and
that they haven't delved into the UAP literature at all.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, influenced by that, but people are strange. I've noticed
that pretty much. It's relative to yourself. Everyone else is strange.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's not me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
But when you hook them up to the EKG, can
you see a noticeable difference in their brain waves when
they start channeling to something in their mind switch on?
That you can physically see.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the way that was EEG is the brain wave
one and you have to do You can't see it
right there on the monitor. You have to analyze the data.
But we did see some interesting differences from channeling to
a mind wandering task in the connectivity. So the way
(16:04):
that the brain was connected to itself was different during
the channeling state versus the non channeling state, which was
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, did you ever wonder why did these aliens want
to communicate with us? Do you have all these different
intergalactic races of aliens? Is there a common thread why
they're trying to connect to us?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes? And so I want to just clarify though, because
I can't definitively prove right now if these trance channelers
are really channeling ET's so I'll just give that caveat there.
My scientists hat demands that I say that, because I
can't prove that unless they show up in my room
(16:52):
and say, oh here I am. I was the one
that was communicating in that way. I can't really I
can't really definitively prove the source of those trans channelers,
but I do find it quite interesting the answers that
are given and the one that you're asking about right now,
(17:14):
it's very focused on awakening of humanity, that Earth is
not alone, that it's getting ready to be welcomed into
the kind of broader galactic neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And boy, I listen to more Coast to Coast AM
every weeknight at one a m.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot com for
more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back. I'm Ryan Recker, joining us for the
next couple of hours. Guess I'm really interested in learning
more about our research at the Institute for Noetics Sciences.
He's also an adjunct assistant professor at the Department in
Neurology in Oregon Health in Science University. Doctor Helena Wambay,
(00:25):
thank you so much for joining us this night.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Ryan, It's wonderful to be here with you today.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was trying to get an idea of what your
job is like, and I know that you have the
connection to the university. And when I think about channeling
at a university, I think about Bill Murray at the
start of Ghostbusters and he has the two students there
and he's holding up different symbols to see if they
can read the card, and if they get it wrong,
(00:56):
he's zapps them. Is that what you do?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's a great image. I love that. So at the
Institute of Noetic Sciences, we do a lot of different experiments,
but not quite like Bill Murray did. But you know,
I think what he was doing was a zener card
and we definitely don't do shocks or a punishment if
you get it wrong. It was different though, Well yes,
(01:26):
So you know, we have a lot of really wonderful
studies going on right now, but one in particular I
can share about telepathy or mind to mind communication. So
I don't know if you've experienced this, Ryan, where you
get a mental image and you're like, oh, I need
(01:46):
to call so and so right away, and then you
call them and you find out that they were in
trouble or something was going on with them, or you
get this, you know, just download of information and you
have no clue where it came from, but then it
turned out to be connected to a friend or a
loved one, or maybe your telephone rang and it was
(02:08):
before you had poller ID and you're like, okay, I
totally know who's calling me. So these are various ways
that people experience telepathy just spontaneously in the day to day,
and so we're studying that formally in the lab. So
we're and this is actually an ongoing study, So if
(02:30):
anyone who's listening has experienced this, please get in touch
with us. We're looking for pairs of bonded people emotionally
bonded people who have had this type of experience and
so you know, we haven't fell out questionnaires and gets
more information about what their experience is like. And then
(02:53):
we have them do an experiment online with Zoom where
we invite one of the pairs, let's call it person A.
We ask person A to send positive intention for its
person B and they're completely in separate Zoom rooms and
(03:15):
we you know, show the video so that we can
tell they aren't cheating, and they aren't, you know, the
person's not in the room with them, or they aren't
using their phone, and person AS is either sending their
intention or they're calculating. They're subtracting by three starting with
(03:35):
starting at one hundred, and then person B has to
guess are they sending me positive intention or not? And
so we do ten trials like this, and then we
switch and person B gets to be the intender versus
doing the maths. So this has been a really fascinating
(03:57):
study because we have many, many pairs of peace people
who are performing above chance guessing if the other person
is positively intending towards them. Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know, it's interesting because you talk about this connection
you have out of nowhere. You get something in your
mind that says I should reach out to that person,
and often you hear that it's too late, Meaning you
may have someone that you are close to pass away
and you'll hear someone else say I was just thinking
about them a week ago, and I meant to call
(04:33):
them and I never did. So I find I hear
stories like that all the time. And you mentioned that
sometimes these people are bonded together. Do you find that
you have these sort of intuitions, these thoughts with people
you're bonded to, or can you be bonded to anyone?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think we can be emotionally connected to anyone, and
yet it's stronger for people who we have an emotional
tie to. So let me let me say that in
a different way at ions. You know, we have this
premise that everybody is interconnected and connected in some way,
(05:16):
and so at some basic level we're hypothesizing that. Say
you and I are connected Ryan in some way, even
though I don't really know you right or you don't
really know me, but we're connected in some way. And
yet me and my mother might have a much easier
time doing that task than you and I would, even
(05:39):
though you and I may also be connected at that
kind of fundamental interconnected aspect of reality.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Interesting. You know, when I go to the website and
I was looking at noetic dot org and one of
the things you mentioned, there's twenty nine different terms for channeling.
When you started to research it, it was all called
different things. What else might we know this by? What
are there some other terms?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
H This was a total can of worms when I
first started working at the Institute of Noetic Sciences or ions,
because what I knew is channeling. You know, people were
calling different things, and so I mentioned this premise that
we're all interconnected. So we also have this hypothesis that
(06:30):
all humans have the ability to tap into noedic wisdom
or inner wisdom, to have this ability to access information
and energy from beyond time and space. And the way
that shows up for people is really quite unique. Like
everyone could probably say that they've had a gut hunch
(06:53):
that turned out to be true. That's really common, you know,
people could just call that intuition. But then on the
other side of this spectrum you have more rare experiences
like mediumship where mediums believe that they can communicate with
deceased people, and trance channelers which is what people often
(07:15):
think about when they hear the word channeling. Trans Channelers
believe that their body can be used as a vehicle
for a non physical being to speak through them, whether
that's your deceased aunt Sally, or an extraterrestrial or you know,
ascended master who knows. People have lots of ideas about
(07:40):
what the source of that trance channeling is, and then
you have everything in between, you know, knowing the future,
or being able to sense distant targets, being able to
get information from dreams. There's quite very diverse experiences of
(08:02):
how we access this intuitive wisdom, which I would called
all of that channeling, but it's also called extrasensory perception
or you know, being psychic or being intuitive. People give
it lots of different names. So I give that all
(08:23):
those umbrella, all those diverse experiences are under the umbrella
of channeling. But then you can look at that trance
channeling specifically, which is one of the areas that I'm
personally very interested in exploring.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So what are some of the more I don't want
to use the term bizarre, but what are some of
the more interesting cases you've seen play out?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So I've been doing a number of studies on channeling
in general and trans channeling specifically include, you know, having
people come to the lab and we hook them up
to EEG and EKG and that's brain waves and heart
waves and see if there's differences in their brain when
(09:12):
they are in the channeling state versus the non channeling state.
So that was a really wonderful study. We've looked at
if this phenomenon runs in families, if there's some sort
of genetic component, which is really interesting. But I think
the most far out, which is what I'm really into now,
(09:34):
is there are so many more trance channelers who believe
that the source of the information they're receiving are extraterrestrials.
And so I saw this popping up all over the place,
and of course, you know, this show is very familiar
with the kind of UAP renaissance, if you will. And
(09:54):
so I just finished a formal study looking at trance
channeled content that is believed to have come from extraterrestrials.
And we ended up with like six thousand pages of
this trance channeled content. And we took all that information
(10:16):
and we compared it to Euphodex, which was created by
Ryan Woods maybe you know him. So that's you know,
euphological data that has been gotten from the military and
from the disclosure of documents, so like you know, materialistic
UFO information. And we asked both data sets ten different
(10:42):
questions about things like disclosure, the purpose of their visits,
relationships with humans, their communication methods, space travel, belief systems,
galactic federations, and technology. And what was so incredible is
(11:03):
that the answers to those questions, whether it came from
the trans channelers or the euphodex were actually incredibly similar.
And I was not expecting that. I was expecting that
there would be a lot more differences, but there were
(11:25):
definite overlaps in the information that you know, say the
militaries receiving and whatever activities they're doing, versus what this
trans channeler is bringing through through this supposed extraterrestrial And
the main difference was, you know, the channeled content was
(11:50):
much more kind of consciousness based and focused on supporting
humanity to kind of away or evolve or work on
it's kind of personal and collective growth, to rise above
the kind of egoistic competitive nature, and to understand kind
(12:17):
of the true nature of who we are as humans,
and yet there are a lot of other pieces that
were really quite similar. So I had a lot of
fun with that project. And that's kind of the most
far out there line of research that I've done, and
(12:38):
I'm continuing that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Go ahead, how do you cross out, let's say, old
Star Trek episodes? So there's things in pop culture that
people may have implanted in their head where they learned
it from a sci fi movie or book or magazine,
And how do you know they're just not repeating something
that they were exposed to already. How can you tell
(13:01):
it's coming from somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's a great question. And in this particular case, we
got the content from like eighty three different trans channelers,
and it was data that they had already collected, so
we couldn't really be very particular about where that was
coming from. And you know, we didn't get into their
(13:27):
background of like, hey, are you a sci fi buff
or something? And to this influence what your trans channeling is.
And so that's why I'm doing this follow up study,
and it's with it's a prospective study, and I'm basically
doing a structured interview of three trans channelers when they're
(13:51):
in a channeled state when they are supposedly channeling an
ET and we're going through these, you know, almost forty
different questions, and we set the intention to connect with
different ET races and go through this, you know, the
(14:13):
same questions for each one of those, and then this
study's not quite done yet, but the goal will be
to compare the information. So let's say, just to give
you an example, the ET is supposedly a Palladian and
channel or a B and C all have sessions where
(14:35):
it's supposedly a Palladian and I'm asking all those same questions,
and then we can do a sophisticated semantic analysis to
see how similar those are, and then we repeat that
for the Grays and the Arcturians, and Thenromedins and the Antarians.
So watching Star Trek is not going to give you
(14:59):
that level of detail. And I don't think it would
be replicated across these particular channelers because I know their
history and I know they aren't sci fi buffs and
that they haven't delved into the UAP literature at all.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, influenced by that, but people are strange. I've noticed
that pretty much. It's relative to yourself. Everyone else is strange.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's not me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
But when you hook them up to the EKG, can
you see a noticeable difference in their brain waves when
they start channeling to something in their mind switch on?
That you can physically see.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the way that was EEG is the brain wave
one and you have to do You can't see it
right there on the monitor. You have to analyze the data.
But we did see some interesting differences from channeling to
a mind wandering task in the connectivity. So the way
(16:04):
that the brain was connected to itself was different during
the channeling state versus the non channeling state, which was
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, did you ever wonder why did these aliens want
to communicate with us? Do you have all these different
intergalactic races of aliens? Is there a common thread why
they're trying to connect to us?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes? And so I want to just clarify though, because
I can't definitively prove right now if these trance channelers
are really channeling ET's so I'll just give that caveat there.
My scientists hat demands that I say that, because I
can't prove that unless they show up in my room
(16:52):
and say, oh here I am. I was the one
that was communicating in that way. I can't really I
can't really definitively prove the source of those trans channelers,
but I do find it quite interesting the answers that
are given and the one that you're asking about right now,
(17:14):
it's very focused on awakening of humanity, that Earth is
not alone, that it's getting ready to be welcomed into
the kind of broader galactic neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And boy, I listen to more Coast to Coast AM
every weeknight at one a m.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot com for
more
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