November 4, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and filmmaker Mark Christopher Lee discuss the 1980 UFO sighting near a military base in Rendelsham Forest in England, if there was a coverup of the sighting to prevent the truth from getting out, and the strange incidents still happening in the forest nearly a half century later.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back George Nor with Mark Christopherlie British filmmaker and
UFO researcher prides himself and having an unconventional approach to
documentary storytelling with a very fresh, working class perspective on
the weird and unexplained. Mark Blend's raw investigative journalism with
sharp British humor and has established himself as one of
(00:25):
the UK's most distinctive voices in UFO and pureanormal media. Mark,
welcome back to the program. Have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, very good, Thank you, Thank you for having me back.
It's very much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wonderful new book to runder some UFO case.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I love it, thanks George. Yeah, I mean it's actually goat.
We've also got a film out of the same name
at the moment on Amazon Prime, which has been my
kind of passion for such a long time. So it's
so good to get it out there, and it is
the best UFO case in the world in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It surely is what got you involved in the studying UFOs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Mark. Initially, I had my own experience as a child
and which was unexplained that at the time I had it,
I put it down to being some angelic experience, which
I know sounds a bit out there, but with hindsight
maybe it was something something else. But then in the
(01:23):
in the UK growing up in the eighties, there was
a program on TV called Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World
and that really kind of piqued my interest and of
the Sea Clerk. If people don't know, he's the author
of two thousand and one Space Odyssey. He was a
proper old school scientists visionary invented the communications satellite, for instance,
(01:44):
so it was this hardcore scientist, but he would look
at unexplained phenomena with an open mind. And so this
you know, TV series did UFOs and just opened my mind.
And there was also a magazine called The Aimed which
came out every month and that had UFOs and I
was like, wow, this is amazing. So that's what initially
(02:07):
got me into it. And then you know, a bit older,
the X Files came along. It sounds a bit cliched,
but yeah, that was got me. Definitely got me into
UFOs in a big time. And you know, I'm luckily
enough on this new film, The rendussroam Ufo, The British Roswell,
that actually worked with one of the stars from The
X Files, cigarette smoking Man William B. Davis, who did
(02:30):
the narration. He was amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do people see that film?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, it's that on Amazon Prime or Apple TV. It's
called The rendalsrom Ufo The British Roswell. And we took
a different perspective than most because the story has been
told many times and some great you know TV programs
films about it. Well, what was interesting to me is
that the more I researched into the nineteen eighty incident,
(02:58):
which definitely something happened in my opinion, there's also a
lot of people who've been back since to the same
place and had weird anomalous experiences both UFOs, how are
normal even cryptis And so the film is kind of
focused on, you know, we go there and do our
own investigation now and it was last autumn we actually
(03:22):
went there and filmed and we did capture weird things
on camera and on sound that still I'm not explained.
So there's something about brundalstm Forrest. It's in Suffolk and UK.
It's very beautiful, quite remote. It's got this mystique about
it and people are going there now and having these
(03:42):
weird experiences and we did too, so that's why I
wanted to make the film, as well as telling the
original story from nineteen eighty but then updating it as well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Is the film done in a documentary format?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It is, yeah. I mean, like you alluded to earlier,
it's a different approach. It's me and my best mate Guy.
We've done a TV show on two B called nub
TV for a long time, so it's basically two guys
you meet down the bar really chatting UFOs, but we
go out to Rendalsham and do it, so it's a
bit of a road trip. We don't take ourselves too seriously.
(04:19):
And my whole approach to uphology, especially in the UK,
is to make it accessible, make it entertaining, and to
get people interested in it. And you know, this is
the approach I took on my previous film, The King
of UFOs, which is about the royal families interest and
so we've kind of taken that format and expanded it
at rendalsm just to try and draw people in because
(04:42):
I know in the US it's taken very seriously. You've
got hearings in Congress, you've got whistleblowers coming forward. In
the UK, we don't have that. We're trying to get
things going over here, and it's you know, people don't
take it seriously. It's still a bit of a you know,
a taboo subject.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mark Christopher Lee with us talking about the rendalsham Ufo case.
His film and book is called The rendersham Ufo the
British Right as well. Let's go back forty five years ago,
Mark to December twenty sixth, tell us about Rendoshem.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, it was in Suffolk and the UK, and I
think we have to take in the context in nineteen eighty.
It was the middle of the Cold War. It was
at RIF Bentwaters and RIF Woodbridge, which were joined US
NATO bases in the UK and over this Yet this
(05:37):
weekend from the twenty sixth to the twenty eighth of
December nineteen eighty there were strange lights seen at the
nearby Rendols from forest and various servicemen went out at
different times saw these lights, documented then and went back
and reported them. You know. There was Jim Peniston and
(05:58):
John Burrows, two of the most famous witnesses who claimed
to have, you know, witnessed a triangular craft and landed
which had strange hieroglyphic markings on it, and US soldiers
right absolutely, yeah, these are distinguished servicemen. Yeah, absolutely, And
(06:18):
this is what gives the case a lot of credence
because you've got these you know, servicemen, no nonsense, people
serving their country and they're experiencing this unusual phenomena. So
Jim Peniston and John Burrows and Edward Caban sag they
reported this triangular craft which had these hierographic markings. Jim
(06:40):
Peniston claims to have gone up to it and touched it.
Then later had this mysterious download of binary code which
has been translated years later. But there was three lights
of activity. Some of the locals sour stuff as well.
Wasn't just the serviceman, but then it kind of escalated
(07:02):
up to Colonel Holt, who was the deputy based commander
at the time, and he kind of wanted to put
this all to bed, so he went out with a team.
He had his famous dictaphone and he recorded bits of
what he experienced. And you know still today that tape
recording is spine shilling what he sees and beams of
(07:25):
light coming down and this light orange light darting through
the forest. It's all very mysterious and yeah, we still
haven't got to the bottom of it yet, and like
you said, we've got testimony this. The famous Colonel Halt
did a memo to the UK Ministry of Defense asking
(07:49):
what was going on that is documented strange lights in
the sky. I think it was cool and so there
was a mystery there, and what we uncovered in our
film is that that was a cover up at the time.
Shortly after we interview an investigator called Richard Lawrence who
(08:12):
actually telephoned the base. He heard from a contact that
something had happened, and you know, he was chatting away
on the phone to basically a receptionist, were saying, oh, yeah,
the UFO is. We're all talking about it here and
it's it's big news and we're trying to work out
what it is. And whilst he was on the phone
this reception as you know he would, they were told
(08:34):
to not stop talking about it was classified and it
was kind of that was it didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
One of the witnesses touch the object.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that was Jim penistone when he was out in
the forest. He put his hand on it and he
claimed to have this download of binary code, which years
later he you know, he wrote down and translated and
it was something to do about planet Earth and things
(09:06):
like that, and place called High Brazil. It was all
very strange, and that's people started find that bit hard
to believe. However, as you'll see in the film, I
went there. We did our own investigation. It was a long,
long day filming. We got back really late in the
morning and I went to bed, laid down on bed
(09:29):
trying to sleep, very very wide from drinking too much
coffee that day, and all I could see was ones
and zeros in front of me. It was really, really weird.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I had this weird.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Experience I can't explain, and maybe it was just psychosomatic,
because obviously I know the story about Jim penistone and
the binary code. But I was seeing all these ones
and zeros. It was really really weird. And is that
something I've brought back or is that just my mind
playing tricks. I don't know, but I did document. It
(10:00):
was real to me at the time. It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Mark whatever happened to the object, did it fly off
or didn't say what happened to it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, this is interesting, George. We don't know at the
end of the day. But I've recently spoken to someone
called Peter Parrish who was one of the original kind
of locals that went to investigate, and he sent me
basically a diagram of his version of events, and he's
got down there was one main craft, which is maybe
(10:31):
what Peniston saw, but there were six craft in total,
that's what he claims, and they were taken basically to
Germany by plane to another NATO base. But at the
end of the day, we don't know what happened to him.
But I think the context is key with this case.
(10:54):
It's the Cold War, you know, tensions are very very
high nearby to rendertion for US. There's two kind of
secret research stations into radar technology, possibly weapons technology. There's
Martlesham Heath which is nearby, and it is also offered Ness,
(11:15):
which is where the lighthouse was which people have used
to debunk it. So there's all this secret research going
on very nearby to where you know, the US servicemen
saw this craft and saw the lights, so is that
a coincidence? And then the other big thing is that
people don't realize is that just twenty four hours later
(11:38):
in the US there was the famous Cash Landrum incident
in Houston, Texas. And I just wonder if the two
are connected. It's just the timing of it. And the
Cash Landrum incident that had military helicopters that have been
documented that we're accompanying this craft. So were they testing
(12:01):
the same technology? Was it something else? Ah? Is it
a secret weapons program? Because you know, from what I know,
not an expert on the Cash Landrum case, but from
what I know, they they suffered radiation damage to their health,
which is what happened to Jim Peniston and John Borrows,
(12:22):
the two servicemen that you know were close to the craft.
They've had medical retirement from the army. But Cash, I
think it was Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum. They spent
a lot of time trying to get, you know, information
from the military and they wouldn't you know, and they
were seriously their health was seriously damaged.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
They were burned or something, weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They absolutely yeah, And there's been the doctor's evidence, doctors notes,
hospital records, and they you know, their life was cut short.
And I just feel really really bad for them as people,
and they were, you know, given the run around by
the military. They wouldn't admit what was going on and
what had happened. So I think there's a connection possibly
(13:10):
between what happened in Rendelsham December nineteen eighteen and what
happened with the cash LANDERM in Houston, Texas. Maybe it
was the same technology being tested, especially as Rendalsham was
a US base NAT base in the UK. Next to
these two facilities, Martlesham heath orfered nests that were testing
(13:31):
secret technology.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Have you ruled out US craft?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
No, I haven't no, but I think if it was
a US craft, it would have been some sort of
secret tech, maybe a stealth plane that they were testing.
I don't think it's anything conventional because don't forget, you know,
this serviceman would have known, you know what, everything that
(14:00):
was out there, So it must have been something new
secret if it was US. But at the end of
the day, it is still a mystery, and the mystery
still continues in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You went out there with the guy Thompson with special
dozing rods and instruments. What did you discover?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Okay, Yeah, so we we went there with the idea
of trying to find the original landing site, and we've
been tipped off by there's a really great chap in
the UK called John Hanson. He's a retired police detective basically,
and he's written two books with Colonel Holts, the Deputy
(14:50):
Based Commander, The Whole Perspective one and The Whole Perspective
to two brilliant books documenting the Rendiscry case. From Colonel
Holt's amazing books, you know, people should check them out.
And you know he's he told me roughly where he
thought the landing was, because there is if you go
(15:13):
there now you can there's a UFO sculpture there of
this triangular craft. That's not where the landing site was.
That's where the tourists go thinking it's the landing spot,
but it's not. So we had this place to go.
I mean, we wanted to just see what we could find,
so I took a metal detector, we took an EMF reader,
we took dowsing rods which I'll explain in a minute,
(15:34):
just to see if we could pick up anything anomalous really,
and we did with the E MF readers especially, which
you know gives spikes in electromagnetic radiation. We were getting
really really high readings out of nowhere. They were just
appearing from from nowhere, and it's all on the film
(15:56):
and you can see it. But the interesting thing for
us is that we took dowsing worlds with the aim
we were going to do what's called a C five
close encounters of the fifth kind meditation. It's called sionics.
I'm a little bit skeptical for your listeners background. I've
got a science degree, so I'm quite rational. I always wondered,
(16:19):
how does CE five close encounters of the fifth kind work?
Something to do with the power of the mind, the
consciousness reaching out all sound a bit kind of obtuse
for me, but you know, we tried it and I
got some We interviewed a lovely practitioner in the US
called Ray Dove, and she gave us some information about
(16:43):
what we needed to do. So we took the dowsing
words to try and find the ideal location to do this.
So we were near the landing site and seriously, the
dowsing rods when we got to this spot, We're just
spinning round and round. It was really weird. It was
like WHOA something was happening, and then we got the
MF reader out and it was just spiking really really,
(17:04):
so we made a camp in this place for that reason,
and then we sat down we did a meditation. It
wasn't going that well at first. Guy Thompson you knew
to too earlier. He's a great laugh, a really good mate.
He was drinking too much guinness. He was carrying this
kinds of guinness around the forest. That's quite fun. As
you'll see in the film. I'm teetotal now, so I
(17:26):
had a flask of coffee. So we were sat down
trying to do his meditation and it wasn't going very well,
to be honest, and I got a little bit of
stopped because guy was drinking, so I didn't get.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Any well, a little too much, right.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And we were worn by both Ray
Dove and a lovely lady called Cheryl Anne McLain, an
Australian who does publist meditation and she's a meditation expert,
so she was telling us what we needed to do.
One of them was don't drinklcohol, but he did, which
(18:02):
is fine. So we wasn't going very well, and then
we didn't know what to do with what. We needed
someone else to come and join us to you know,
change the vibe, you know, if you will. But you know,
we're in the middle of nowhere to forget. There's not
many people here, and what do we do anyway, So
Esther who was our assistant director, we basically and she
(18:24):
was interested, so we got her to come and join us.
You'll see her in the film. So there's three of
us doing it then, and it was working better. We
were getting more chilled out. We put some music on
and then as soon as we started kind of meditating
and getting in that good zone straight away a kid,
you know what you're seeing the film, we started hearing
(18:46):
a really strange electronic sound in the forest and it
was bouncing around it and it was I mean, the
way we described it, it was like, I don't know,
if you know a TV program in the UK called
Doctor Who Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It was
like that theme tune from that, but it was that
like on a ray gun. It was really really weird,
(19:10):
and it was like really repetitive. It was like a
synthesizer kind of cricket storm and it wasn't anything natural.
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back George Nor with Mark Christopherlie British filmmaker and
UFO researcher prides himself and having an unconventional approach to
documentary storytelling with a very fresh, working class perspective on
the weird and unexplained. Mark Blend's raw investigative journalism with
sharp British humor and has established himself as one of
(00:25):
the UK's most distinctive voices in UFO and pureanormal media. Mark,
welcome back to the program. Have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, very good, Thank you, Thank you for having me back.
It's very much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wonderful new book to runder some UFO case.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I love it, thanks George. Yeah, I mean it's actually goat.
We've also got a film out of the same name
at the moment on Amazon Prime, which has been my
kind of passion for such a long time. So it's
so good to get it out there, and it is
the best UFO case in the world in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It surely is what got you involved in the studying UFOs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Mark. Initially, I had my own experience as a child
and which was unexplained that at the time I had it,
I put it down to being some angelic experience, which
I know sounds a bit out there, but with hindsight
maybe it was something something else. But then in the
(01:23):
in the UK growing up in the eighties, there was
a program on TV called Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World
and that really kind of piqued my interest and of
the Sea Clerk. If people don't know, he's the author
of two thousand and one Space Odyssey. He was a
proper old school scientists visionary invented the communications satellite, for instance,
(01:44):
so it was this hardcore scientist, but he would look
at unexplained phenomena with an open mind. And so this
you know, TV series did UFOs and just opened my mind.
And there was also a magazine called The Aimed which
came out every month and that had UFOs and I
was like, wow, this is amazing. So that's what initially
(02:07):
got me into it. And then you know, a bit older,
the X Files came along. It sounds a bit cliched,
but yeah, that was got me. Definitely got me into
UFOs in a big time. And you know, I'm luckily
enough on this new film, The rendussroam Ufo, The British Roswell,
that actually worked with one of the stars from The
X Files, cigarette smoking Man William B. Davis, who did
(02:30):
the narration. He was amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do people see that film?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, it's that on Amazon Prime or Apple TV. It's
called The rendalsrom Ufo The British Roswell. And we took
a different perspective than most because the story has been
told many times and some great you know TV programs
films about it. Well, what was interesting to me is
that the more I researched into the nineteen eighty incident,
(02:58):
which definitely something happened in my opinion, there's also a
lot of people who've been back since to the same
place and had weird anomalous experiences both UFOs, how are
normal even cryptis And so the film is kind of
focused on, you know, we go there and do our
own investigation now and it was last autumn we actually
(03:22):
went there and filmed and we did capture weird things
on camera and on sound that still I'm not explained.
So there's something about brundalstm Forrest. It's in Suffolk and UK.
It's very beautiful, quite remote. It's got this mystique about
it and people are going there now and having these
(03:42):
weird experiences and we did too, so that's why I
wanted to make the film, as well as telling the
original story from nineteen eighty but then updating it as well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Is the film done in a documentary format?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It is, yeah. I mean, like you alluded to earlier,
it's a different approach. It's me and my best mate Guy.
We've done a TV show on two B called nub
TV for a long time, so it's basically two guys
you meet down the bar really chatting UFOs, but we
go out to Rendalsham and do it, so it's a
bit of a road trip. We don't take ourselves too seriously.
(04:19):
And my whole approach to uphology, especially in the UK,
is to make it accessible, make it entertaining, and to
get people interested in it. And you know, this is
the approach I took on my previous film, The King
of UFOs, which is about the royal families interest and
so we've kind of taken that format and expanded it
at rendalsm just to try and draw people in because
(04:42):
I know in the US it's taken very seriously. You've
got hearings in Congress, you've got whistleblowers coming forward. In
the UK, we don't have that. We're trying to get
things going over here, and it's you know, people don't
take it seriously. It's still a bit of a you know,
a taboo subject.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mark Christopher Lee with us talking about the rendalsham Ufo case.
His film and book is called The rendersham Ufo the
British Right as well. Let's go back forty five years ago,
Mark to December twenty sixth, tell us about Rendoshem.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, it was in Suffolk and the UK, and I
think we have to take in the context in nineteen eighty.
It was the middle of the Cold War. It was
at RIF Bentwaters and RIF Woodbridge, which were joined US
NATO bases in the UK and over this Yet this
(05:37):
weekend from the twenty sixth to the twenty eighth of
December nineteen eighty there were strange lights seen at the
nearby Rendols from forest and various servicemen went out at
different times saw these lights, documented then and went back
and reported them. You know. There was Jim Peniston and
(05:58):
John Burrows, two of the most famous witnesses who claimed
to have, you know, witnessed a triangular craft and landed
which had strange hieroglyphic markings on it, and US soldiers
right absolutely, yeah, these are distinguished servicemen. Yeah, absolutely, And
(06:18):
this is what gives the case a lot of credence
because you've got these you know, servicemen, no nonsense, people
serving their country and they're experiencing this unusual phenomena. So
Jim Peniston and John Burrows and Edward Caban sag they
reported this triangular craft which had these hierographic markings. Jim
(06:40):
Peniston claims to have gone up to it and touched it.
Then later had this mysterious download of binary code which
has been translated years later. But there was three lights
of activity. Some of the locals sour stuff as well.
Wasn't just the serviceman, but then it kind of escalated
(07:02):
up to Colonel Holt, who was the deputy based commander
at the time, and he kind of wanted to put
this all to bed, so he went out with a team.
He had his famous dictaphone and he recorded bits of
what he experienced. And you know still today that tape
recording is spine shilling what he sees and beams of
(07:25):
light coming down and this light orange light darting through
the forest. It's all very mysterious and yeah, we still
haven't got to the bottom of it yet, and like
you said, we've got testimony this. The famous Colonel Halt
did a memo to the UK Ministry of Defense asking
(07:49):
what was going on that is documented strange lights in
the sky. I think it was cool and so there
was a mystery there, and what we uncovered in our
film is that that was a cover up at the time.
Shortly after we interview an investigator called Richard Lawrence who
(08:12):
actually telephoned the base. He heard from a contact that
something had happened, and you know, he was chatting away
on the phone to basically a receptionist, were saying, oh, yeah,
the UFO is. We're all talking about it here and
it's it's big news and we're trying to work out
what it is. And whilst he was on the phone
this reception as you know he would, they were told
(08:34):
to not stop talking about it was classified and it
was kind of that was it didn't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
One of the witnesses touch the object.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that was Jim penistone when he was out in
the forest. He put his hand on it and he
claimed to have this download of binary code, which years
later he you know, he wrote down and translated and
it was something to do about planet Earth and things
(09:06):
like that, and place called High Brazil. It was all
very strange, and that's people started find that bit hard
to believe. However, as you'll see in the film, I
went there. We did our own investigation. It was a long,
long day filming. We got back really late in the
morning and I went to bed, laid down on bed
(09:29):
trying to sleep, very very wide from drinking too much
coffee that day, and all I could see was ones
and zeros in front of me. It was really, really weird.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I had this weird.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Experience I can't explain, and maybe it was just psychosomatic,
because obviously I know the story about Jim penistone and
the binary code. But I was seeing all these ones
and zeros. It was really really weird. And is that
something I've brought back or is that just my mind
playing tricks. I don't know, but I did document. It
(10:00):
was real to me at the time. It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Mark whatever happened to the object, did it fly off
or didn't say what happened to it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, this is interesting, George. We don't know at the
end of the day. But I've recently spoken to someone
called Peter Parrish who was one of the original kind
of locals that went to investigate, and he sent me
basically a diagram of his version of events, and he's
got down there was one main craft, which is maybe
(10:31):
what Peniston saw, but there were six craft in total,
that's what he claims, and they were taken basically to
Germany by plane to another NATO base. But at the
end of the day, we don't know what happened to him.
But I think the context is key with this case.
(10:54):
It's the Cold War, you know, tensions are very very
high nearby to rendertion for US. There's two kind of
secret research stations into radar technology, possibly weapons technology. There's
Martlesham Heath which is nearby, and it is also offered Ness,
(11:15):
which is where the lighthouse was which people have used
to debunk it. So there's all this secret research going
on very nearby to where you know, the US servicemen
saw this craft and saw the lights, so is that
a coincidence? And then the other big thing is that
people don't realize is that just twenty four hours later
(11:38):
in the US there was the famous Cash Landrum incident
in Houston, Texas. And I just wonder if the two
are connected. It's just the timing of it. And the
Cash Landrum incident that had military helicopters that have been
documented that we're accompanying this craft. So were they testing
(12:01):
the same technology? Was it something else? Ah? Is it
a secret weapons program? Because you know, from what I know,
not an expert on the Cash Landrum case, but from
what I know, they they suffered radiation damage to their health,
which is what happened to Jim Peniston and John Borrows,
(12:22):
the two servicemen that you know were close to the craft.
They've had medical retirement from the army. But Cash, I
think it was Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum. They spent
a lot of time trying to get, you know, information
from the military and they wouldn't you know, and they
were seriously their health was seriously damaged.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
They were burned or something, weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They absolutely yeah, And there's been the doctor's evidence, doctors notes,
hospital records, and they you know, their life was cut short.
And I just feel really really bad for them as people,
and they were, you know, given the run around by
the military. They wouldn't admit what was going on and
what had happened. So I think there's a connection possibly
(13:10):
between what happened in Rendelsham December nineteen eighteen and what
happened with the cash LANDERM in Houston, Texas. Maybe it
was the same technology being tested, especially as Rendalsham was
a US base NAT base in the UK. Next to
these two facilities, Martlesham heath orfered nests that were testing
(13:31):
secret technology.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Have you ruled out US craft?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
No, I haven't no, but I think if it was
a US craft, it would have been some sort of
secret tech, maybe a stealth plane that they were testing.
I don't think it's anything conventional because don't forget, you know,
this serviceman would have known, you know what, everything that
(14:00):
was out there, So it must have been something new
secret if it was US. But at the end of
the day, it is still a mystery, and the mystery
still continues in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You went out there with the guy Thompson with special
dozing rods and instruments. What did you discover?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Okay, Yeah, so we we went there with the idea
of trying to find the original landing site, and we've
been tipped off by there's a really great chap in
the UK called John Hanson. He's a retired police detective basically,
and he's written two books with Colonel Holts, the Deputy
(14:50):
Based Commander, The Whole Perspective one and The Whole Perspective
to two brilliant books documenting the Rendiscry case. From Colonel
Holt's amazing books, you know, people should check them out.
And you know he's he told me roughly where he
thought the landing was, because there is if you go
(15:13):
there now you can there's a UFO sculpture there of
this triangular craft. That's not where the landing site was.
That's where the tourists go thinking it's the landing spot,
but it's not. So we had this place to go.
I mean, we wanted to just see what we could find,
so I took a metal detector, we took an EMF reader,
we took dowsing rods which I'll explain in a minute,
(15:34):
just to see if we could pick up anything anomalous really,
and we did with the E MF readers especially, which
you know gives spikes in electromagnetic radiation. We were getting
really really high readings out of nowhere. They were just
appearing from from nowhere, and it's all on the film
(15:56):
and you can see it. But the interesting thing for
us is that we took dowsing worlds with the aim
we were going to do what's called a C five
close encounters of the fifth kind meditation. It's called sionics.
I'm a little bit skeptical for your listeners background. I've
got a science degree, so I'm quite rational. I always wondered,
(16:19):
how does CE five close encounters of the fifth kind work?
Something to do with the power of the mind, the
consciousness reaching out all sound a bit kind of obtuse
for me, but you know, we tried it and I
got some We interviewed a lovely practitioner in the US
called Ray Dove, and she gave us some information about
(16:43):
what we needed to do. So we took the dowsing
words to try and find the ideal location to do this.
So we were near the landing site and seriously, the
dowsing rods when we got to this spot, We're just
spinning round and round. It was really weird. It was
like WHOA something was happening, and then we got the
MF reader out and it was just spiking really really,
(17:04):
so we made a camp in this place for that reason,
and then we sat down we did a meditation. It
wasn't going that well at first. Guy Thompson you knew
to too earlier. He's a great laugh, a really good mate.
He was drinking too much guinness. He was carrying this
kinds of guinness around the forest. That's quite fun. As
you'll see in the film. I'm teetotal now, so I
(17:26):
had a flask of coffee. So we were sat down
trying to do his meditation and it wasn't going very well,
to be honest, and I got a little bit of
stopped because guy was drinking, so I didn't get.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Any well, a little too much, right.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And we were worn by both Ray
Dove and a lovely lady called Cheryl Anne McLain, an
Australian who does publist meditation and she's a meditation expert,
so she was telling us what we needed to do.
One of them was don't drinklcohol, but he did, which
(18:02):
is fine. So we wasn't going very well, and then
we didn't know what to do with what. We needed
someone else to come and join us to you know,
change the vibe, you know, if you will. But you know,
we're in the middle of nowhere to forget. There's not
many people here, and what do we do anyway, So
Esther who was our assistant director, we basically and she
(18:24):
was interested, so we got her to come and join us.
You'll see her in the film. So there's three of
us doing it then, and it was working better. We
were getting more chilled out. We put some music on
and then as soon as we started kind of meditating
and getting in that good zone straight away a kid,
you know what you're seeing the film, we started hearing
(18:46):
a really strange electronic sound in the forest and it
was bouncing around it and it was I mean, the
way we described it, it was like, I don't know,
if you know a TV program in the UK called
Doctor Who Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It was
like that theme tune from that, but it was that
like on a ray gun. It was really really weird,
(19:10):
and it was like really repetitive. It was like a
synthesizer kind of cricket storm and it wasn't anything natural.
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