November 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Join the Captain and Bennie Foggins; an ordinary man who came across a UFO that would leave something behind and change his life. This is the 1rst of a 2-part series highlighting a mysterious piece of metamaterial, and the serious name drops of who has been involved in this ongoing investigation for the truth.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're going to be speaking with Benny Foggin. Benny has
quite an interesting story. He has a direct eyewitness to
a UFO and believes that he even has a piece
of metal recovered from that UFO that he found in
his driveway right after the sighting. This originally took place
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over thirty years ago and was also witnessed by his wife, Patsy.
This medal has caught the attention of some of the
biggest names in the UFO community, from Luelzando to Tom
DeLong to Sean Kirkpatrick and everyone in between. It's really
quite a story, and I think it's going to take
two parts to get through all of this, as it
needs to be combed through chronologically. It is obviously quite
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a claim to make, but I think it's worth hearing
him out given the caliber of individuals who seem to
take his story and certainly the recovered meta material very seriously.
I have seen many of the emails from these individuals,
as well as several of the lab reports. I'm going
to walk through every step of Benny's story with him
so we can all get an understanding of how this
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all unfolded. As you shall see, it's not as easy
as one would think. Even if you did recover a
one hundred percent genuine piece of meta material from a UFO,
it's not like there's a place down on the corner
to take it. It's actually quite difficult to even figure
out where to take it and I made me think,
how many other people out there have something, but they
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just don't know what to do with it. Benny wants
to share this with all of us, and I really
appreciate him doing so. Hi, Benny, how you doing great?
Good to see you, sir. I appreciate it. You know,
you have quite an interesting story here, and I think
all of our listeners appreciate you taking the time to
share this with us. It seems like the best approach
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to go through a story like this is to just
sort of chronologically, step by step, go through what happened,
so we all understand what you've been through over the years.
So it's my understanding that back in nineteen ninety five,
I think the day before you actually discovered this piece
of metal, was it your wife, Patsy, who had a
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sighting of some sort.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yes, sir, it was at nighttime down the road we
lived out in the country, and she did at her
friend's house, and she came back home, and what she
was telling me was that she was bought at a
UFO hovering right above our house, within a couple of
feet above our house. And wow, and it was a
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very large, one circular, she said. And she started honking
on the horn because it scared her. And she said
she was out there about twenty thirty minutes honking on
the horn, trying to get my attention. And I had
no reason why I never heard her, but all of
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a sudden, because she was within a few feet of
the front door. And then when I heard the horn hawking,
I walked to the front door and opened up the door,
and she said, as soon as I did that, the
UFO just took straight off in the air a vanish
and I never saw it. We've had a lot of
the UFO experiences before that and what they're calling abductions
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with us, so we were kind of used to that
type of thing. So she came inside the house and
told me what was going on, and we kind of figured, oh,
maybe they had me, and that they took me and
then they brought me back and let me. Then then
I realized what was going on and opened up the door.
That's what happened that night. Now, the very next day,
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we had a dog we called Bear. I take him
outside walking and we had a pretty good off, you
like twelve hundred foot or so from our house to
our mailbox out on the front road. I started heading
towards the mailbox with bear I didn't see it at first.
Now this was daytime, nice and sunny. I heard a
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noise that sounded like bearings in a washing machine going out.
And I've heard that noise a few times before on UFOs,
so it wasn't something new to me. And when I
heard it, I looked up and there there was a
very large UFO heading east. It was very slow. I
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stood there for quite a few minutes and watched it
until it got out of sight.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
What kind of shape was that? What it looked like.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
It's sort of I call them like wings, but they
weren't wings because it was a squary step like a
eight x eight two by four or something like that.
In the front, it had a cup full of looked
like small wings like coming out of it, which was
also squary, and then in the back there was a
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real large, squarish wing coming out on each side of it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So you had a really good look at it. If it
was moving really slow, oh yeah, it was with them,
I could have hit it with a rock and oh
my god. And it was real loud when it made
that noise, And like you said, it was really slow.
I mean it just glideed real slow, and I stood
there watched it. And how big was it? Benny?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was at least a couple of hundred foot long,
if not long.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Okay, something that big that slow feels like it should
just fall out of the sky.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Right, yeah, yeah, but it didn't know And like I said,
I watched it till it disappeared over the horizon, turned
around in uh. Walked into the house to tell Patsy
what I saw. And I opened up the front door,
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and when I was standing there, leaning leaning up on
the door frame, Patty came out and I came up
to me and I started telling her what I saw.
We both kind of saw the same thing. Right outside
the door. There was this something laying out there and
it was red and it was red. Is what stood
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out to us.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Do you have like a gravel driveway?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yes, it was a gravel driveway driveway, and it was
laying on top of the gravel.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So this must have just appeared then, or this is
something you guys would have seen, right for sure?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah. It was pretty. It was good size. It was
really good size. I said, it wasn't there before. So
we walked out to it and Patsy was standing over it,
and she goes, I don't care what anybody says, this
came from a UFO. And it was like we knew
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that it came from a UFO, but we didn't know
how we knew that it came from the UFO.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, she had just saw one the night before, and
then you had just saw one ten minutes ago. So
it just feels logical to you also that something must
have happened right.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Right right, and things have happened before that also, So yeah,
I understand that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But as far as you would notice this in the driveway,
it wasn't there all of a sudden. It's daylight. You
see this red object. So the logical guess would be
that it fell from this object. Yeah, yeah, but not
beyond that. You seem to have felt it, like inherently
that that's where it came from.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Right, It's like we knew it. Yeah. I reached down
to pick it up and it was hot. I couldn't
pick it up it was so hot. A few minutes later,
Patsy reached down and picked it up, and I started
holding it like a hot potato from and to a
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type thing. We took it inside the house, and what
it looked like was a big chunk of aluminium on
the top and on the bottom was a red metal,
a big chunk of red metal. And we thought it
was all one piece, okay, But later on I'll tell
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you what happened later. Then there was like some sort
of a dust over it. Patsy got a piece of
white paper started making marks on the paper from it
like a lead pencil. Well, what we did was we
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went ahead, took it and put it in a door
in the kitchen and left us are When.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
We come back, we're going to talk with Benny about
his rediscovery of the metal, which had been forgotten about
as you can imagine could happen. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking
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with Benny Foggin about the meta material here recovered. So, Benny,
you had put this metal in a drawer.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
What happened next We was in a process of moving
and it stayed there until we moved. When we moved,
we put it in a box and put it in
a storage shed. We had a story way. Now this
happened in ninety five ninety six, and we didn't get
back out until twenty six.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So it just kind of got forgotten about and got
set in this box for ten years.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Right, Okay, we actually thought somebody broke into our story shit,
and we thought somebody stole it at first from the
experiences that we've had before that we met a guy
named William Jones from Battel. He was an executive at
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Battel Institute of Technology, and a guy named Joe steps
Bill Jones. When we first met a Bill Jones, they
had a UFO organization that they started up that was
run by Battel Institute of Technology.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, Bettel Labs is a huge company that's a nonprom
a scientific research center that's located in Columbus, Ohio, which
is fairly close to where you are, and it's the
largest private, independent R and D institution in the world
as a matter of fact. So that's a really well
known place, right.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
And they had something to do with the Roswell incident also,
right that.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They send a lot of things there. A lot of
advanced technology and metallurgy gets done there, and there's a
lot of stuff around the UFO folklore that. Yeah, the
meta materials from Roswell, the foil that would fold up
all supposedly went to battel. Now you met this guy,
didn't have anything to do with the metal or you
met him just gointonell no.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Back in nineteen ninety is when we met Bill Jones
and Joke Stittz. They had an article. See back when
we just have an off type of UFO things going
on in our life, I have in all my lot,
in my whole life, okay, and there was nobody to
talk to. They didn't you know, it's not like today, right,
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you know, they didn't have no organizations or anything else,
you know, and I'm dying inside to talk to somebody
to tell them what was happening, to try to get.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
We hear that all the time. Even Whitley Streeber went
through that. He said that there's no place to go
if you get attacked or abducted or even raped. There's
tons of organizations to support you, but if you have
a UFO sighting, where do you go? In the seventies, eighties, nineties, fifties, sixties, fifties, yeah, whatever,
all the way back, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yeah, we didn't even hear about this kind of stuff
when it was going on in our life.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Right, there was no source for that kind of material.
You're right, that's it's hard for people to get their
head around that. Back in the day, there was there's
no place to find this information.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So in nineteen beginning in nineteen ninety, I saw a
little article in the Columbus Dispatch where these people were
mentioned if you had any kind of an experience or
something to contact them. And I didn't know if I
should or soon, but I want to head contacted them.
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They came out to our house, Bill Jones and Joe
Steps right off the bat They told us that it
was a Battel project. They worked for Battel, and later
on I found out that Bill Jones was one of
the top dogs. Anything government that was done by Battell
had to be signed off by Bill Jones for William Jones. Interesting,
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that's how far up he was. Now he's passed away
two three years ago. But anyway, they came out and
we talked and he has signed Joe Steps to be
our in between person. So I knew them when all
this was going on.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Obviously, this was before you even had this piece of
metal fall on your driveway.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Right nineteen ninety and then the metal thing happened in
ninety five, right.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So then in two thousand and six, when you rediscover
this metal, did you then reach out to these guys?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yes, I did. What happened was, like I said, we
thought it was stolen. Sure, Passy. We just moved to
another house in Fraseysburg, Ohio. Just bought one another house
in Crazy Bird. And Patsy was taking some stuff out
of a box, small box that we had, and I'm
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standing there in the doorway again and talking to her
with her back towards me. I saw her take this
out and lay it down beside her, and I sat
there and I'm looking, and I go, WHOA, wait a minute,
that's a metal. And I walked over and I picked
it up because it was in the same state when
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we first found it, but even had the dust on it,
the aluminium with the red chunk on the bottom, so
forth so on. So I picked it up and I
had the red part, which it gave off like a
little bit of a red dust also. And I walked
into the bathroom and I turned on the water because
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I was thinking, I'm gonna wash this thlain off so
I can get a good look at it. And right
when I was getting ready to do it, all of
a sudden I thought, well, you know, I'd better not
do that. I said, they need to examine this thing
just the way it is, because I don't know, you know,
everything to it, what what what might be on it
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or anything.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's probably actually the right thing to do. It's very
insightful that you thought that.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, it just it just hit me, you know. I
was doing it, and I went ahead, and I got
it my finger wet in my right hand because I
had my left hand with the red heart down in
my fall and I'm going ahead, and I got my
finger wet, and then I'll call it the bubbly side.
There's one side that looked like a bunch of bubble
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sides on it. And I got got it wet, and
I started a lot like you would a lamp trying
to rub off on a genie or something. At the
very top, I was going rubbing it down. All of
a sudden it vanished in my hand, Oh my lord,
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and all I could see was the red I couldn't
see the aluminium no more. And I stopped. And then
when I stopped, it reappeared Now, now I didn't like disappear, disappear,
it wasn't there. It vanished in a clue.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
So you could still feel the weight of it in
your hand.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Then right, it was in my hand, but it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Was in your hand. But it became clear, I guess.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, like like clear, like blast, you know, clear glass
or something.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And and I could see through it, and I could
see the red metal on the bottom of it. So
I stopped, and I thought, whoa man? So Mike said,
I already knew Bill Jones and Joe Steps and the
thing about the tail and all that. Very next day
I caught up Joe Steps, got a hold of me.
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I went straight to his house, and I took the
metal there for for them to have the tail examined.
The metal.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That's exactly what I would do. That's perfect. So what
so what did they do? Well, this word gets a
little complicated, Right, So they take the metal, they're they're
gonna examine it. Is there paperwork with this or they
just take it slight unseen, no paperwork, So you're trust
them that they're going to give this back to you
after they test it.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Right, Okay, that was a problem. Okay, when we come back.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
We're going to talk with Benny about what happened next
for him regarding this meta material after leaving it with
Bell Labs. It's crazy to think how you have to
trust everyone every step of the way with such a
unique item. You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material he had left with Betel Labs
in Ohio. Benny had had to be hard to leave
it with them in the first place, but then of
course you expected to get it right back.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Right They took it and had it for a while,
and it came time to give it back to me,
they didn't want to give it back to me. As
a matter of fact, they wouldn't give it back to me.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
And I met a gal named Pat Mason that new
Joe Steps in that game. I was talking to her
and I told her about the medal and that they
wouldn't give it back to me, and she turned around
told me, she goes, wait a minute, she goes, I
know a guy that has a piece of metal too
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that they think came from a UFO or something named
Nick Writer, a scientist out of Toleda that area. Sure,
she got a hold of him and I started talking
to him and we had a good conversation and everything,
and he turned around told me, he goes, I got
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ways of getting.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
That metal out of Battell and back to you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Yeah, okay, you know, to get it to examine it
and then back to me.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right, but you don't have it. Battel has it at
this point.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Right, right right, Joe STIPs in Battel.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So the way they told me Pat Mason and uh
Nick Ryder is that they got a hold of Joe
Stitz and they got into some type of an argument
and then finally Joe Stitz, uh Lena turned around and
sentimental to Nick Ryder.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Oh, he didn't give it to you, He gave it
to Nick Ryder. Right, yeah, wow, that's interesting. And this
is probably how long is this after you gave it
to Battel to Joe? This is O seven. It's got
to be a year later, right.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It was? It was within the within the year, within
a year, okay. Here in that time that the Battel
that they.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Had that do you not find it curious that he's
willing to give it to Nick but not back to you.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, I thought it was curious that they wouldn't give
it back to period. Sure, you know, absolutely refused to
give it back to me.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, at least Nick was able to recover it. Okay,
so now Nick gets it. Now what's he doing with it?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Nick worked with a goal named Phillis Buttinger. She worked
with the moupon and did a lot of testing. She
was a scientist and she examined a lot of UFO
stuff and Nick worked with her behind the scenes with
a lot of the stuff that she checked out. So
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they got it, and they checked it out a little bit. Well,
they had a report that came from Battel that they
gave Phillis Butdinger on the medal and they were downplaying
the medal. They also mentioned the red metal and they
told her that the red medal was organic and there
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was nothing to it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And sur Chris Mattel would even release any information to
her that. I mean, that's quite surprising.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Don't you think the whole thing was suspicious to us?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Sure, so what's Phyllis do with it?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
She analyzed a little bit of it and turned around
and said that it needed to be a further analysis
done on it, and she didn't have the equipment to
do it. So it ended back up with Nick, and
Nick brought it to my house and when he brought
it to my house, the red metal was gone.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Wait a minute, I thought the red metal was like
half of this piece.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
It was, Well I did, I thought it was all
one piece. Well, what they did was they separated it.
That red metal was stuck to the bottom of that
aluminium piece, and they broke it all somehow.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It took And at this point, you don't know that's aluminum.
You're calling it aluminum because it looks like aluminum to you, right, No,
Phyllis Buddinger, Oh, Phyllis told you that it was in
fact aluminum, Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Some type of They couldn't match it with any any aluminum,
but they knew it was all.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
So it must have happened once Phyllis got it. She
must have taken those two halves apart. No Bettel did.
Buttel did I see when they sent it to Nick.
What Bettail did They foot called the red metal that
was stuck to the bottom of it. So this is
unbeknownst to you Benny, because when Battel had it once
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they gave it to Nick, you didn't know it wasn't
the full piece. You just assumed Phyllis got everything, when
in fact it turns out Phyllis only got half of
the piece you originally gave Bettel.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Right, because I never saw it right and when it
came came to me that red metal was going off
of it and gone, but there was a residue of
the red metal still on the bottom of the illuminium.
You could still see red metal there. And there was
a whole bunch of spots in the alludinimum. It looked
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like there was red metal steeping out of the alludinum,
and there was a bunch of spots in it. And
they turned around and said that it wasn't metal, that
it was organic. Okay, they took the red metal off,
and they and they cut two chunks off of it,
off of two ends, and left the center part, the
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big center part alone. And I didn't know none of
this because I didn't get to see it until Nick
brought it to my house. Right. They didn't even know
when I was talking about red metal. They didn't know
for sure what I was talking about. Outside of what
the tale told them that the red metal wasn't red
metal was organic and it was nothing the story that
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they said.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I see. So so they Nick and Phyllis just thought,
oh okay, but Tels said that was nothing, don't worry
about it. They took it off and this was the
actual metal piece of study. But you the whole time,
of course, are thinking, wait a minute, there's this whole
other chunk of red metal that didn't seem organic and
did seem important. Yeah, okay, So then Nick shows up,
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He's got the piece back, which is a fraction of
what you originally turned in. Are you shocked by this?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You have to be, absolutely And I kept telling them
about the red metal and they kept coming back saying,
will but Tail said that there was something organic on
it and it was nothing, And I'm turned around telling him,
I said, well but that's not true. Two or three
years went by before I could talk them into testing
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that red residence. I saw an artist, and who's they now?
Because you said Nick and Phyllis didn't have the equipment
to do this, So who did you back to? Nick
and Phillis? Now she could do the preliminary testing, and
that's what she did. Now, she did a report on
what she tested, and she has it in John. It's
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called black Vault John Greenwald Greenwald. Right, she has a
report on John Greenwald. Believe it's UT zero five zero
with a supplemental UT zero six zero with the red
metal in it. And when she did the testing that
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she had, she wrote in that report, which anybody can
check on it. Okay, all you got to do is
get into his black balls.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
She put down that there's nothing organic to this, it's metal.
The red residue. There was a big chunk of it.
She also has a photo of that in that report.
She scraped off all of that red residue and kept
it and wouldn't give me that back.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
So now it's like two thousand and nine and Phyllis
has tested this again. She's scraped off this red residue
and then she gives you back what's left of the piece.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Correct, right, The aluminium piece that I had still had
all those spots of the red metal, so that was
still there. So there was evidence of the red metal there.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So this is what around twenty twelve, Now do do
you finally take it to another lab for more testing.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
After philis said it needed to be tested more.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, So how do you find a lab like that?
Is this how you get to x Nick Ryder found? Okay,
so this is the one in California, the XOA. When
we come back, we're going to talk to Benny about
what happened next. As his metal goes off to the
other side of the country, once again, he has to
trust to get it back as it is out of
his hands entirely. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
(28:52):
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material he had given to a lab
in California. So Nick gets it out to that lab
for testing. What did they find out?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
They couldn't believe what they found out. They found out
that there was over fifty or sixty different types of
medals in that aluminum. There's like thirteen rare earth elements.
Every single one of them is in that medal. Everything
you can think of is in that metal.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Do they send it back to Nick, Benny, Yes, they do.
And now at this point you have at least a
lab report showing very unique properties. So what do you
and Nick decide to do with it?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
At that point, I decided to have done by other
labs to back up what I'm being told.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Now, do you have to pay for this every time?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Every test that I had done cost three thousand dollars plus?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Okay, so you're coming out of pocket to do this
just because you want to get to the bottom of
what this piece is.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Right, we got a lot of money involved in the testing.
Oh boy, isotope testing also the thing, right?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And what is the isotope testing show?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Unusual? Some of it showed up as questionable that it
wasn't from Earth.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
My understanding of isotope testing is it's able to tell
you where the metal is from the unable to determine
if it's on Earth or off Earth, and then they're
able to also kind of get insights to whether or
not it was manufactured or just naturally occurring.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Right, they determined that it was manufactured. When they tried
to investigate it to find out where it was the mine,
there was no records anywhere that even come close to
the medals at Senna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Wow. Okay, so now we're up to what twenty fourteen?
Did you reach out to Chase Klotsky or Chris Bledsoe
or how did you come across the next quote people?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Okay, well Nick passed away, Nick Bright, Okay, And we
were in contact with a guy named Larry Sekander that
had the Bob White medal.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, that's another famous one from UFO lore that supposedly
fell from a UFO craft.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Right, And he invited me down to Arkansas, some sort
of convention that they had. We went down there at
the meetium and talk to him and compare notes, and that's.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You bribe the medal with you. I'm assuming.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I had a few other samples of other medals beside
mine I took with me. That's where I met Chase Blotsky.
I got to talk to her. She wanted to come
up to my Breezy birth and meet us.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And she's part of Moufon at this point, right, so
she wants to investigate.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Oh, she wasn't with mufon then, Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
This was before she joined muf on.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, I think I think it was Susan Mouon. Then
she left nice see Okay, Okay, that type of thing.
She came to our house and she brought LORI Wagner,
Chris Bledsoe and a government man that don't want me
to mention his name. Ah, government man, he's big shot.
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That was with Chris Bledsoe, and uh, you know, we
did the story, talked about everything.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
So what happens as a result of this? Did they
want to take it to another lab or where where
do they want to do with it?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Uh? Yeah? Also Larry Sakandy came with them, King okay,
and what happened? There was a guy his name was
doctor Rudy Olsen with a company Sali se L e
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E Corporation that was experts in Molton medals and they
did a lot of government work. He contacted Larry when
he found out about Bob White's medal and stuff and
wanted to check it out. And Larry told him about
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us in our medal and he wanted to check out
Bob White's medal and our medal and Chase asked us
to let her run the show and send the pieces
to Rudy and okay.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So he's going to do an analysis on it of
his own.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Right, and he did. He did full report on it
and then conclusion, you know, he came up and Rudy
said that I'm talking about my middle now. He said
that it was manufactured by an unknown process, that there's
a lot of strange things about it, and it needed
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further testing. So that's what he came up with. And
he also did the same thing with the Bob White
medal and found out the same thing.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Okay, all right, So then after you have this information,
now what now a few more years go by, and
then what happens is at twenty eighteen when DeLong reaches
out to you.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Well, Rudy also discovered that there was a few more
elements in our middle that they didn't test for. So okay,
so there was an added to it, to that okay, So.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Every time you do this, you get a little bit
more information that it's even more unique, even more properties,
even more special.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
That's interesting. Okay. So what is this somehow get the
attention of to the stars or how does that happen next?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Okay? Now, I mentioned that Chris Bledsoe came to our
house in twenty fourteen, yes, sir, okay, with the government guy. Yep. Well,
in twenty eighteen, I received a telephone call from Chris
and we've talked a few times in between this time
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and became friends and he has a lot of experiences
that we've had. And he called me up and he
didn't tell me who they were, just just that there
were some people involved in me was testing the UFO
medals and stuff. And he told me that I was
my wife and I were the only people that he
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knew that he could recommend for them to come and
see and check out our metal. And I agreed to it.
And when they came, it was Boon DeLong, Louella Zondo,
Chris Bledsoe and a cameraman came to our place.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Was how put off?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
There?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
No, No, he did testing on it later on, I see,
And that's a different story. Okay about that, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Before we get to hell, what happened with Tom and
loew And and and Chris When they came to your house,
you obviously told them your story again and you told
them the lab you have And what do they say?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Well, they're pretty pretty amazed because I had my sample.
I had a sample of Bob White's metal. I had
a piece from from England.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Okay, so you have these various samples of special medals
that may have come off earth somehow.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I had like five samples Okay and name were pretty
much amazed about that. Plus we got to talk a
little bit about the aliens and some of the experiences
that we've had. Sure Tom DeLong seemed to know quite
a bit about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Incredible, Benny, just having all these guys around would be
such a treat for any of us in this community.
At the time, you may not have even realized how
important these guys in the community were are and continue
to be so amazing. We have to stop there for
this week, but we'll pick it up next week to
get the even more interesting conclusion to Benny's story. His
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story so far anyway, next week when we find out
what happens next to his metal Hang tight, Benny. Meanwhile,
you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're going to be speaking with Benny Foggin. Benny has
quite an interesting story. He has a direct eyewitness to
a UFO and believes that he even has a piece
of metal recovered from that UFO that he found in
his driveway right after the sighting. This originally took place
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over thirty years ago and was also witnessed by his wife, Patsy.
This medal has caught the attention of some of the
biggest names in the UFO community, from Luelzando to Tom
DeLong to Sean Kirkpatrick and everyone in between. It's really
quite a story, and I think it's going to take
two parts to get through all of this, as it
needs to be combed through chronologically. It is obviously quite
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a claim to make, but I think it's worth hearing
him out given the caliber of individuals who seem to
take his story and certainly the recovered meta material very seriously.
I have seen many of the emails from these individuals,
as well as several of the lab reports. I'm going
to walk through every step of Benny's story with him
so we can all get an understanding of how this
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all unfolded. As you shall see, it's not as easy
as one would think. Even if you did recover a
one hundred percent genuine piece of meta material from a UFO,
it's not like there's a place down on the corner
to take it. It's actually quite difficult to even figure
out where to take it and I made me think,
how many other people out there have something, but they
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just don't know what to do with it. Benny wants
to share this with all of us, and I really
appreciate him doing so. Hi, Benny, how you doing great?
Good to see you, sir. I appreciate it. You know,
you have quite an interesting story here, and I think
all of our listeners appreciate you taking the time to
share this with us. It seems like the best approach
(02:57):
to go through a story like this is to just
sort of chronologically, step by step, go through what happened,
so we all understand what you've been through over the years.
So it's my understanding that back in nineteen ninety five,
I think the day before you actually discovered this piece
of metal, was it your wife, Patsy, who had a
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sighting of some sort.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yes, sir, it was at nighttime down the road we
lived out in the country, and she did at her
friend's house, and she came back home, and what she
was telling me was that she was bought at a
UFO hovering right above our house, within a couple of
feet above our house. And wow, and it was a
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very large, one circular, she said. And she started honking
on the horn because it scared her. And she said
she was out there about twenty thirty minutes honking on
the horn, trying to get my attention. And I had
no reason why I never heard her, but all of
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a sudden, because she was within a few feet of
the front door. And then when I heard the horn hawking,
I walked to the front door and opened up the door,
and she said, as soon as I did that, the
UFO just took straight off in the air a vanish
and I never saw it. We've had a lot of
the UFO experiences before that and what they're calling abductions
(04:31):
with us, so we were kind of used to that
type of thing. So she came inside the house and
told me what was going on, and we kind of figured, oh,
maybe they had me, and that they took me and
then they brought me back and let me. Then then
I realized what was going on and opened up the door.
That's what happened that night. Now, the very next day,
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we had a dog we called Bear. I take him
outside walking and we had a pretty good off, you
like twelve hundred foot or so from our house to
our mailbox out on the front road. I started heading
towards the mailbox with bear I didn't see it at first.
Now this was daytime, nice and sunny. I heard a
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noise that sounded like bearings in a washing machine going out.
And I've heard that noise a few times before on UFOs,
so it wasn't something new to me. And when I
heard it, I looked up and there there was a
very large UFO heading east. It was very slow. I
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stood there for quite a few minutes and watched it
until it got out of sight.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
What kind of shape was that? What it looked like.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
It's sort of I call them like wings, but they
weren't wings because it was a squary step like a
eight x eight two by four or something like that.
In the front, it had a cup full of looked
like small wings like coming out of it, which was
also squary, and then in the back there was a
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real large, squarish wing coming out on each side of it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So you had a really good look at it. If it
was moving really slow, oh yeah, it was with them,
I could have hit it with a rock and oh
my god. And it was real loud when it made
that noise, And like you said, it was really slow.
I mean it just glideed real slow, and I stood
there watched it. And how big was it? Benny?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was at least a couple of hundred foot long,
if not long.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Okay, something that big that slow feels like it should
just fall out of the sky.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Right, yeah, yeah, but it didn't know And like I said,
I watched it till it disappeared over the horizon, turned
around in uh. Walked into the house to tell Patsy
what I saw. And I opened up the front door,
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and when I was standing there, leaning leaning up on
the door frame, Patty came out and I came up
to me and I started telling her what I saw.
We both kind of saw the same thing. Right outside
the door. There was this something laying out there and
it was red and it was red. Is what stood
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out to us.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Do you have like a gravel driveway?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yes, it was a gravel driveway driveway, and it was
laying on top of the gravel.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So this must have just appeared then, or this is
something you guys would have seen, right for sure?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah. It was pretty. It was good size. It was
really good size. I said, it wasn't there before. So
we walked out to it and Patsy was standing over it,
and she goes, I don't care what anybody says, this
came from a UFO. And it was like we knew
(08:10):
that it came from a UFO, but we didn't know
how we knew that it came from the UFO.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, she had just saw one the night before, and
then you had just saw one ten minutes ago. So
it just feels logical to you also that something must
have happened right.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Right right, and things have happened before that also, So yeah,
I understand that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But as far as you would notice this in the driveway,
it wasn't there all of a sudden. It's daylight. You
see this red object. So the logical guess would be
that it fell from this object. Yeah, yeah, but not
beyond that. You seem to have felt it, like inherently
that that's where it came from.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Right, It's like we knew it. Yeah. I reached down
to pick it up and it was hot. I couldn't
pick it up it was so hot. A few minutes later,
Patsy reached down and picked it up, and I started
holding it like a hot potato from and to a
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type thing. We took it inside the house, and what
it looked like was a big chunk of aluminium on
the top and on the bottom was a red metal,
a big chunk of red metal. And we thought it
was all one piece, okay, But later on I'll tell
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you what happened later. Then there was like some sort
of a dust over it. Patsy got a piece of
white paper started making marks on the paper from it
like a lead pencil. Well, what we did was we
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went ahead, took it and put it in a door
in the kitchen and left us are When.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
We come back, we're going to talk with Benny about
his rediscovery of the metal, which had been forgotten about
as you can imagine could happen. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking
(10:41):
with Benny Foggin about the meta material here recovered. So, Benny,
you had put this metal in a drawer.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
What happened next We was in a process of moving
and it stayed there until we moved. When we moved,
we put it in a box and put it in
a storage shed. We had a story way. Now this
happened in ninety five ninety six, and we didn't get
back out until twenty six.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So it just kind of got forgotten about and got
set in this box for ten years.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Right, Okay, we actually thought somebody broke into our story shit,
and we thought somebody stole it at first from the
experiences that we've had before that we met a guy
named William Jones from Battel. He was an executive at
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Battel Institute of Technology, and a guy named Joe steps
Bill Jones. When we first met a Bill Jones, they
had a UFO organization that they started up that was
run by Battel Institute of Technology.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, Bettel Labs is a huge company that's a nonprom
a scientific research center that's located in Columbus, Ohio, which
is fairly close to where you are, and it's the
largest private, independent R and D institution in the world
as a matter of fact. So that's a really well
known place, right.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
And they had something to do with the Roswell incident also,
right that.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They send a lot of things there. A lot of
advanced technology and metallurgy gets done there, and there's a
lot of stuff around the UFO folklore that. Yeah, the
meta materials from Roswell, the foil that would fold up
all supposedly went to battel. Now you met this guy,
didn't have anything to do with the metal or you
met him just gointonell no.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Back in nineteen ninety is when we met Bill Jones
and Joke Stittz. They had an article. See back when
we just have an off type of UFO things going
on in our life, I have in all my lot,
in my whole life, okay, and there was nobody to
talk to. They didn't you know, it's not like today, right,
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you know, they didn't have no organizations or anything else,
you know, and I'm dying inside to talk to somebody
to tell them what was happening, to try to get.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
We hear that all the time. Even Whitley Streeber went
through that. He said that there's no place to go
if you get attacked or abducted or even raped. There's
tons of organizations to support you, but if you have
a UFO sighting, where do you go? In the seventies, eighties, nineties, fifties, sixties, fifties, yeah, whatever,
all the way back, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Yeah, we didn't even hear about this kind of stuff
when it was going on in our life.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Right, there was no source for that kind of material.
You're right, that's it's hard for people to get their
head around that. Back in the day, there was there's
no place to find this information.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So in nineteen beginning in nineteen ninety, I saw a
little article in the Columbus Dispatch where these people were
mentioned if you had any kind of an experience or
something to contact them. And I didn't know if I
should or soon, but I want to head contacted them.
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They came out to our house, Bill Jones and Joe
Steps right off the bat They told us that it
was a Battel project. They worked for Battel, and later
on I found out that Bill Jones was one of
the top dogs. Anything government that was done by Battell
had to be signed off by Bill Jones for William Jones. Interesting,
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that's how far up he was. Now he's passed away
two three years ago. But anyway, they came out and
we talked and he has signed Joe Steps to be
our in between person. So I knew them when all
this was going on.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Obviously, this was before you even had this piece of
metal fall on your driveway.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Right nineteen ninety and then the metal thing happened in
ninety five, right.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So then in two thousand and six, when you rediscover
this metal, did you then reach out to these guys?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yes, I did. What happened was, like I said, we
thought it was stolen. Sure, Passy. We just moved to
another house in Fraseysburg, Ohio. Just bought one another house
in Crazy Bird. And Patsy was taking some stuff out
of a box, small box that we had, and I'm
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standing there in the doorway again and talking to her
with her back towards me. I saw her take this
out and lay it down beside her, and I sat
there and I'm looking, and I go, WHOA, wait a minute,
that's a metal. And I walked over and I picked
it up because it was in the same state when
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we first found it, but even had the dust on it,
the aluminium with the red chunk on the bottom, so
forth so on. So I picked it up and I
had the red part, which it gave off like a
little bit of a red dust also. And I walked
into the bathroom and I turned on the water because
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I was thinking, I'm gonna wash this thlain off so
I can get a good look at it. And right
when I was getting ready to do it, all of
a sudden I thought, well, you know, I'd better not
do that. I said, they need to examine this thing
just the way it is, because I don't know, you know,
everything to it, what what what might be on it
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or anything.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's probably actually the right thing to do. It's very
insightful that you thought that.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, it just it just hit me, you know. I
was doing it, and I went ahead, and I got
it my finger wet in my right hand because I
had my left hand with the red heart down in
my fall and I'm going ahead, and I got my
finger wet, and then I'll call it the bubbly side.
There's one side that looked like a bunch of bubble
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sides on it. And I got got it wet, and
I started a lot like you would a lamp trying
to rub off on a genie or something. At the
very top, I was going rubbing it down. All of
a sudden it vanished in my hand, Oh my lord,
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and all I could see was the red I couldn't
see the aluminium no more. And I stopped. And then
when I stopped, it reappeared Now, now I didn't like disappear, disappear,
it wasn't there. It vanished in a clue.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
So you could still feel the weight of it in
your hand.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Then right, it was in my hand, but it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Was in your hand. But it became clear, I guess.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, like like clear, like blast, you know, clear glass
or something.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And and I could see through it, and I could
see the red metal on the bottom of it. So
I stopped, and I thought, whoa man? So Mike said,
I already knew Bill Jones and Joe Steps and the
thing about the tail and all that. Very next day
I caught up Joe Steps, got a hold of me.
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I went straight to his house, and I took the
metal there for for them to have the tail examined.
The metal.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That's exactly what I would do. That's perfect. So what
so what did they do? Well, this word gets a
little complicated, Right, So they take the metal, they're they're
gonna examine it. Is there paperwork with this or they
just take it slight unseen, no paperwork, So you're trust
them that they're going to give this back to you
after they test it.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Right, Okay, that was a problem. Okay, when we come back.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
We're going to talk with Benny about what happened next
for him regarding this meta material after leaving it with
Bell Labs. It's crazy to think how you have to
trust everyone every step of the way with such a
unique item. You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material he had left with Betel Labs
in Ohio. Benny had had to be hard to leave
it with them in the first place, but then of
course you expected to get it right back.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Right They took it and had it for a while,
and it came time to give it back to me,
they didn't want to give it back to me. As
a matter of fact, they wouldn't give it back to me.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
And I met a gal named Pat Mason that new
Joe Steps in that game. I was talking to her
and I told her about the medal and that they
wouldn't give it back to me, and she turned around
told me, she goes, wait a minute, she goes, I
know a guy that has a piece of metal too
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that they think came from a UFO or something named
Nick Writer, a scientist out of Toleda that area. Sure,
she got a hold of him and I started talking
to him and we had a good conversation and everything,
and he turned around told me, he goes, I got
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ways of getting.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
That metal out of Battell and back to you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Yeah, okay, you know, to get it to examine it
and then back to me.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right, but you don't have it. Battel has it at
this point.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Right, right right, Joe STIPs in Battel.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So the way they told me Pat Mason and uh
Nick Ryder is that they got a hold of Joe
Stitz and they got into some type of an argument
and then finally Joe Stitz, uh Lena turned around and
sentimental to Nick Ryder.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Oh, he didn't give it to you, He gave it
to Nick Ryder. Right, yeah, wow, that's interesting. And this
is probably how long is this after you gave it
to Battel to Joe? This is O seven. It's got
to be a year later, right.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It was? It was within the within the year, within
a year, okay. Here in that time that the Battel
that they.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Had that do you not find it curious that he's
willing to give it to Nick but not back to you.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, I thought it was curious that they wouldn't give
it back to period. Sure, you know, absolutely refused to
give it back to me.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, at least Nick was able to recover it. Okay,
so now Nick gets it. Now what's he doing with it?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Nick worked with a goal named Phillis Buttinger. She worked
with the moupon and did a lot of testing. She
was a scientist and she examined a lot of UFO
stuff and Nick worked with her behind the scenes with
a lot of the stuff that she checked out. So
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they got it, and they checked it out a little bit. Well,
they had a report that came from Battel that they
gave Phillis Butdinger on the medal and they were downplaying
the medal. They also mentioned the red metal and they
told her that the red medal was organic and there
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was nothing to it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And sur Chris Mattel would even release any information to
her that. I mean, that's quite surprising.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Don't you think the whole thing was suspicious to us?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Sure, so what's Phyllis do with it?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
She analyzed a little bit of it and turned around
and said that it needed to be a further analysis
done on it, and she didn't have the equipment to
do it. So it ended back up with Nick, and
Nick brought it to my house and when he brought
it to my house, the red metal was gone.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Wait a minute, I thought the red metal was like
half of this piece.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
It was, Well I did, I thought it was all
one piece. Well, what they did was they separated it.
That red metal was stuck to the bottom of that
aluminium piece, and they broke it all somehow.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It took And at this point, you don't know that's aluminum.
You're calling it aluminum because it looks like aluminum to you, right, No,
Phyllis Buddinger, Oh, Phyllis told you that it was in
fact aluminum, Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Some type of They couldn't match it with any any aluminum,
but they knew it was all.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
So it must have happened once Phyllis got it. She
must have taken those two halves apart. No Bettel did.
Buttel did I see when they sent it to Nick.
What Bettail did They foot called the red metal that
was stuck to the bottom of it. So this is
unbeknownst to you Benny, because when Battel had it once
(24:30):
they gave it to Nick, you didn't know it wasn't
the full piece. You just assumed Phyllis got everything, when
in fact it turns out Phyllis only got half of
the piece you originally gave Bettel.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Right, because I never saw it right and when it
came came to me that red metal was going off
of it and gone, but there was a residue of
the red metal still on the bottom of the illuminium.
You could still see red metal there. And there was
a whole bunch of spots in the alludinimum. It looked
(25:06):
like there was red metal steeping out of the alludinum,
and there was a bunch of spots in it. And
they turned around and said that it wasn't metal, that
it was organic. Okay, they took the red metal off,
and they and they cut two chunks off of it,
off of two ends, and left the center part, the
(25:27):
big center part alone. And I didn't know none of
this because I didn't get to see it until Nick
brought it to my house. Right. They didn't even know
when I was talking about red metal. They didn't know
for sure what I was talking about. Outside of what
the tale told them that the red metal wasn't red
metal was organic and it was nothing the story that
(25:50):
they said.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I see. So so they Nick and Phyllis just thought,
oh okay, but Tels said that was nothing, don't worry
about it. They took it off and this was the
actual metal piece of study. But you the whole time,
of course, are thinking, wait a minute, there's this whole
other chunk of red metal that didn't seem organic and
did seem important. Yeah, okay, So then Nick shows up,
(26:13):
He's got the piece back, which is a fraction of
what you originally turned in. Are you shocked by this?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You have to be, absolutely And I kept telling them
about the red metal and they kept coming back saying,
will but Tail said that there was something organic on
it and it was nothing, And I'm turned around telling him,
I said, well but that's not true. Two or three
years went by before I could talk them into testing
(26:43):
that red residence. I saw an artist, and who's they now?
Because you said Nick and Phyllis didn't have the equipment
to do this, So who did you back to? Nick
and Phillis? Now she could do the preliminary testing, and
that's what she did. Now, she did a report on
what she tested, and she has it in John. It's
(27:07):
called black Vault John Greenwald Greenwald. Right, she has a
report on John Greenwald. Believe it's UT zero five zero
with a supplemental UT zero six zero with the red
metal in it. And when she did the testing that
(27:29):
she had, she wrote in that report, which anybody can
check on it. Okay, all you got to do is
get into his black balls.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
She put down that there's nothing organic to this, it's metal.
The red residue. There was a big chunk of it.
She also has a photo of that in that report.
She scraped off all of that red residue and kept
it and wouldn't give me that back.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
So now it's like two thousand and nine and Phyllis
has tested this again. She's scraped off this red residue
and then she gives you back what's left of the piece.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Correct, right, The aluminium piece that I had still had
all those spots of the red metal, so that was
still there. So there was evidence of the red metal there.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So this is what around twenty twelve, Now do do
you finally take it to another lab for more testing.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
After philis said it needed to be tested more.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, So how do you find a lab like that?
Is this how you get to x Nick Ryder found? Okay,
so this is the one in California, the XOA. When
we come back, we're going to talk to Benny about
what happened next. As his metal goes off to the
other side of the country, once again, he has to
trust to get it back as it is out of
his hands entirely. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
(28:52):
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
(29:17):
are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material he had given to a lab
in California. So Nick gets it out to that lab
for testing. What did they find out?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
They couldn't believe what they found out. They found out
that there was over fifty or sixty different types of
medals in that aluminum. There's like thirteen rare earth elements.
Every single one of them is in that medal. Everything
you can think of is in that metal.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Do they send it back to Nick, Benny, Yes, they do.
And now at this point you have at least a
lab report showing very unique properties. So what do you
and Nick decide to do with it?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
At that point, I decided to have done by other
labs to back up what I'm being told.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Now, do you have to pay for this every time?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Every test that I had done cost three thousand dollars plus?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Okay, so you're coming out of pocket to do this
just because you want to get to the bottom of
what this piece is.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Right, we got a lot of money involved in the testing.
Oh boy, isotope testing also the thing, right?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And what is the isotope testing show?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Unusual? Some of it showed up as questionable that it
wasn't from Earth.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
My understanding of isotope testing is it's able to tell
you where the metal is from the unable to determine
if it's on Earth or off Earth, and then they're
able to also kind of get insights to whether or
not it was manufactured or just naturally occurring.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Right, they determined that it was manufactured. When they tried
to investigate it to find out where it was the mine,
there was no records anywhere that even come close to
the medals at Senna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Wow. Okay, so now we're up to what twenty fourteen?
Did you reach out to Chase Klotsky or Chris Bledsoe
or how did you come across the next quote people?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Okay, well Nick passed away, Nick Bright, Okay, And we
were in contact with a guy named Larry Sekander that
had the Bob White medal.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, that's another famous one from UFO lore that supposedly
fell from a UFO craft.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Right, And he invited me down to Arkansas, some sort
of convention that they had. We went down there at
the meetium and talk to him and compare notes, and that's.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You bribe the medal with you. I'm assuming.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I had a few other samples of other medals beside
mine I took with me. That's where I met Chase Blotsky.
I got to talk to her. She wanted to come
up to my Breezy birth and meet us.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And she's part of Moufon at this point, right, so
she wants to investigate.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Oh, she wasn't with mufon then, Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
This was before she joined muf on.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, I think I think it was Susan Mouon. Then
she left nice see Okay, Okay, that type of thing.
She came to our house and she brought LORI Wagner,
Chris Bledsoe and a government man that don't want me
to mention his name. Ah, government man, he's big shot.
(32:36):
That was with Chris Bledsoe, and uh, you know, we
did the story, talked about everything.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
So what happens as a result of this? Did they
want to take it to another lab or where where
do they want to do with it?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Uh? Yeah? Also Larry Sakandy came with them, King okay,
and what happened? There was a guy his name was
doctor Rudy Olsen with a company Sali se L e
(33:10):
E Corporation that was experts in Molton medals and they
did a lot of government work. He contacted Larry when
he found out about Bob White's medal and stuff and
wanted to check it out. And Larry told him about
(33:30):
us in our medal and he wanted to check out
Bob White's medal and our medal and Chase asked us
to let her run the show and send the pieces
to Rudy and okay.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So he's going to do an analysis on it of
his own.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Right, and he did. He did full report on it
and then conclusion, you know, he came up and Rudy
said that I'm talking about my middle now. He said
that it was manufactured by an unknown process, that there's
a lot of strange things about it, and it needed
(34:13):
further testing. So that's what he came up with. And
he also did the same thing with the Bob White
medal and found out the same thing.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Okay, all right, So then after you have this information,
now what now a few more years go by, and
then what happens is at twenty eighteen when DeLong reaches
out to you.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Well, Rudy also discovered that there was a few more
elements in our middle that they didn't test for. So okay,
so there was an added to it, to that okay, So.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Every time you do this, you get a little bit
more information that it's even more unique, even more properties,
even more special.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
That's interesting. Okay. So what is this somehow get the
attention of to the stars or how does that happen next?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Okay? Now, I mentioned that Chris Bledsoe came to our
house in twenty fourteen, yes, sir, okay, with the government guy. Yep. Well,
in twenty eighteen, I received a telephone call from Chris
and we've talked a few times in between this time
(35:32):
and became friends and he has a lot of experiences
that we've had. And he called me up and he
didn't tell me who they were, just just that there
were some people involved in me was testing the UFO
medals and stuff. And he told me that I was
my wife and I were the only people that he
(35:55):
knew that he could recommend for them to come and
see and check out our metal. And I agreed to it.
And when they came, it was Boon DeLong, Louella Zondo,
Chris Bledsoe and a cameraman came to our place.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Was how put off?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
There?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
No, No, he did testing on it later on, I see,
And that's a different story. Okay about that, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Before we get to hell, what happened with Tom and
loew And and and Chris When they came to your house,
you obviously told them your story again and you told
them the lab you have And what do they say?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Well, they're pretty pretty amazed because I had my sample.
I had a sample of Bob White's metal. I had
a piece from from England.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Okay, so you have these various samples of special medals
that may have come off earth somehow.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I had like five samples Okay and name were pretty
much amazed about that. Plus we got to talk a
little bit about the aliens and some of the experiences
that we've had. Sure Tom DeLong seemed to know quite
a bit about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Incredible, Benny, just having all these guys around would be
such a treat for any of us in this community.
At the time, you may not have even realized how
important these guys in the community were are and continue
to be so amazing. We have to stop there for
this week, but we'll pick it up next week to
get the even more interesting conclusion to Benny's story. His
(37:40):
story so far anyway, next week when we find out
what happens next to his metal Hang tight, Benny. Meanwhile,
you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID
Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out Contact in
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