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Ready to will be amazed by the wizard of Weird.
This is Strange with Joshua. I am Joshua if you warren't.
And each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
brand new my blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments
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you can do at home, and a lot more on
this edition of the show. Dragons, Yes, Dragons. I want
to start by by telling you a story. I have
a good friend I have known for many years, and
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he lives in a major city here in the United States.
He actually is quite well known, very charismatic. I don't
want to give out his actual full identity. Let's call
him Xavier, and he told me a story that I
want to share with you. Last time I was in
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his town, we got together at a bar. He doesn't drink,
but anyway, he was saying, it's too bad you couldn't
make it to my wedding. And I definitely would have
tried to make it to his wedding, but I was
obligated to film a TV series. There was no way
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I could do it. And I said, yeah, I'm sorry,
I couldn't do that. And he said, well, it was
a heck of a spectacle, said let me tell you
what happened. I said, okay. He said, well, I met
this lady and it was, you know, lightning struck, and
I knew that she was to be the love of
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my life. Now he had always he'd already been married
once before arter marriage, I guess is what some call that.
But no, he met her and he said, yeah, this
is the one. And at this point, you know, because
he was getting a little bit, you know, he was
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closer to middle age, so he was not a naive
a naive young man at this point, so he wanted
to make sure that this wedding was going to be
absolutely extra special. They were going to rent this nice,
big retreat with a huge lawn and just like you know,
go all out. And Xavier told me that he just
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did not want his wedding ring to be some boring, old,
normal wedding band. He needed it to be something special.
He'd been saving up money for many, many years to
buy something nice. You know, some guys they'll go out
and they'll buy a sports car or a boat or something. Well,
in his particular case, he said, I decided that I
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was going to take all this money that I had
saved up, and I was going to have a master artisan,
a master jeweler, create a ring for me, a wedding
ring for me that would be truly unique and amazing.
And he said, I have always believed that dragons were real,
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and that dragons are powerful, and there are probably still
dragons out there. And when I think about dragons, it
gives me adrenaline, It pumps me up, it makes me excited.
I decided I wanted to have an artisan make me
a ring that looked like a dragon wrapping its body
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and its tail around my finger. And so Xavier, sure enough,
he did all his research and he found a master artisan,
and he went to this artisan, and he described what
he wanted. He even had sketches, and he said, I
want this to be absolutely stunning. I want it to
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be made of gold. I want there to be diamonds.
I want there to be rubies, I want there to
be emeralds. Spare no expense. This has got to be
an amazing, an amazing ring will remind me of the
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love I have for this woman every time I look
at it, and the artist and said, sir, I shall
do my best. Well, there was no rush, and so
a good bit of time passed. I think it might
have even been months, and finally one day the arts
in contacted Xavier and said the ring is ready. Xavier
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shows up at the shop and oh, my lord, this
ring is practically glowing. It's practically radiating light. It is magnificent.
The artisan in a standing there speech for a little bit,
just waiting, you know, to just sort of soaking in
Xavier's reaction. Xavier says to the artisan, it's absolutely exquisite.
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I'm truly amazed. And the artisan says, I've been doing
this for fifty years. This is my masterpiece. This dragon
ring is the finest thing that I have ever created.
If I am only remembered for one thing. I hope
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it is this ring. So Xavier, giddy as a kid
on Christmas morning, takes this astounding ring and he goes
back to his house and he's sitting there and he's
thinking about the wedding, and he says, you know what,
this ring is so incredible. I can't just have a
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human being hand this to me. This ring is so
exceptional that the only fitting way for it to be
delivered to me during this precious wedding ceremony, it must
be delivered to my hand by a falcon. Yes, a falcon,
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a majestic bird's he envisioned a falcon flying through the
air dropping this ring into his hand. And so now
he goes on a new quest and he found the falconer,
and the falconer says, well, we've never done anything quite
like that before, but I think we can do it.
There's a first time for everything. And so sure enough,
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the wedding day rolls around, beautiful, sunny, perfect day, nice
little breeze. Tons of people show up, everybody's dressed to
the nines, big green lawn. It really does look like
something out of the magazine. So at the appropriate time,
Xavier and his bride are standing there in front of
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the priest, and then the moment of truth arises. Tucked
away secretly in the back behind everybody. This whole time
has been this falconer. And finally, when the signal is given,
the falconer releases the falcon, and the falcon this falconer says,
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it's like one of the most intelligent falcons ever. So
this falcon is holding this ring and its talons, and
he's flying from behind, so nobody knows what's coming in
the audience. The bride doesn't even know. This has been
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a well kept secret between Xavier and the falconer and
this falcon. This majestic falcon springs into action from behind
the crowd, and it comes out looking like some kind
of mythical Greek miracle. And that lasts for about one
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or two seconds, because it becomes quickly evident that this nice, big,
heavy bejeweled ring, this golden ring, is actually way too
heavy for this falcon. And so suddenly, as this falcon
is flying toward Xavier, he begins to look like he's drunk.
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The falcon looks like it's drunk. Now I know that
birds can't sweat. But if they could, this falcon would
be sweating. And this falcon, it's doing everything it can
to cross this space, and it's weaving left and right,
and it's and suddenly it's dipping down and it's hitting people,
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and panic ensues. Women are screaming, children are fleeing. Nobody
understands what's happening. This falcon is pounding its wings like
it's the last thing that's ever gonna do. It looks
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like a terrible disaster. And then at the last possible moment,
that falcon, that falcon, it pulls up and it releases
and it drops that ring, bang perfectly into Xavier's hand.
Couldn't have done a better job. The falcon flies off.
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Everybody is just again like craze. They don't know what's
going on. His new bride is freaking out, and he
now has this memory, this unbelievable memory of this successful mission,
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this falcon delivering this dragon ring to him. Well, they're
divorced now. But I bring this up because this is
an example of how strongly some people feel about dragons.
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Do you know anybody who feels like that. I know
a lot of people who have a very strong opinion
about the reality of dragons. And just recently I was
on Coast to Coast AM with George Norri and a
woman called in and she said, why don't you do
a show about dragons? And I thought, you know what,
maybe I will. Well, here is that show. We have
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to take a break. When we come back, we're going
to dig into We're dragons real? Are dragons reel? I
think you're going to be surprised with where this show goes.
I really do. By the way, if you like this
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host,
the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your
wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
where every day is golden and every night is Silverjetato
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Zoome and I mentioned this before, but here we go again.
Programming A programming note obviously little odd because this is
a podcast and you can be listening to it at
any time. You could be listening to this five years
after I made it. But if you're one of those
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people who is listening right now, like sort of after
it's just been released, I am going to be taking
some time off for the holidays, so do not be alarmed.
Part of it will be rest and relaxation. Part of
it will be some brand new investigations, and you will
not believe some of the experiences I'm going to be
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telling you about when I come back. Okay, we're talking
about dragons. In twenty twelve, I went to Romania, to
the region called Transylvania, and I got to investigate many
of the castles and ruins associated with Vlad the Impaler.
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He was called Dracula because his father was called uh
Vlad Dracool. Dracool means a dragon, and and then and
their language. And as a matter of fact, okay, so
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his father, known as Vlad Dracool, was a member. He
was he was you know, he was a ruler, and
he was a member of this thing called the Order
of the Dragon. And this was a or society of
the dragonists, a chivalric order. And what that means is
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they were it was like an order of knights, a
fellowship of knights, and it was only for people who
were uh monarchs or aristocracy. Founded in fourteen o eight.
There's no sense in digging too deep into that. But
his so his dad was Vlad Dracoul, meaning Vlad the Dragon,
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because that he was a member of this Order of
the Dragon. And then his son, who became the famous Dracula,
Vlad Dracula was meant son of the dragon. He actually
signed his name Draco Yah or Draco Yah. So sometimes
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you might hear, like we often say, we talk about Dracula,
but if you hear Europeans say Draco Yah, well that's
actually probably more like it actually was pronounced by him.
And I just bring that up because you know, this
again is an example of people who lived a long
time ago who took this whole dragon thing really seriously.
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So I mean, like, how much how much legitimacy is
there this idea that dragons once lived. Okay, well, let's
just look at the definition of the dragon. Okay, So
here's what Wikipedia will tell you. A dragon is a magical,
legendary creature that appears in the folklore of multiple cultures worldwide.
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Beliefs about dragons vary considerably through regions, but dragons and
Western cultures since the High Middle Ages have often been
depicted as winged, horned, and capable of breathing fire. Dragons
and Eastern cultures are usually depicted as wingless, four legged,
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serpentine creatures with above average intelligence. Commonalities between dragons traits
are often a hybridization of reptilian, mammalian, and avian features.
That's kind of weird, is it mixes all that stuff together? Okay,
so fire breathing, let's just start with that. Is it
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has there ever been an animal that could breathe fire?
You know what, if you go back to the Bible,
the King James version of the Bible Book of Job,
chapter forty one, verses eighteen through twenty one. It talks
about this beast called Leviathon. Leviathon is a dragon like
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sea serpent demon, and it's referenced in the Hebrew Bible
as a metaphor, a metaphor for a powerful enemy. Let's see,
it's referred to in various various books. But what's what's
interesting is if you look at that that actual quote
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from Job, it says, Leviathon's snorting throws out flashes of light.
Its eyes shine like the first light of day. Flames
spray out of its mouth, Sparks of fire shoot out,
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Smoke pours out of its nose. It is like smoke
from a boiling pot over burning grass. Its breath sets
coals on fire, Flames fly out of its mouth. Well,
that makes it pretty clear, doesn't it that according to
the Bible, this dragon like sea serpent named Leviathon is
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breathing fire. You know, that's a very early reference to
this kind of concept. But if you actually like look
it up, like, has there ever been evidence of an
animal that breathes fire? No, what's weird is that, you know,
when you start researching this, people are trying to stretch it.
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They're like, well, there's a beetle that ejects a boiling
hot and noxious chemical spray, the bombard ear beetle, and
hypothetically other animals could evolve fire breathing abilities by creating
a chemical reaction similar to the beetles, but they would
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need to overcome some significant biological hurdles like developing flame
resistant organs and a system to store and expel flammable
substances without harming themselves, etcetera, etcetera. So apparently we don't
have any evidence that any animal that has ever lived
here on Earth could actually breathe fire, and yet you know,
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we have all of these amazing depictions of these fire
breathing dragons. You know, it's kind of funny if you
ever visit my house, and who knows, I doubt I'm
gonna do this, but someday I might just get a
wild hair and say, all right, I'm gonna sell some
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tickets and you can come to my house and see
my personal collection. Again, that's probably never gonna happen. But
when you walk in the door of my house, if
you look up, there's a big, big, high tall ceiling,
and I have mounted there what a lot of people
would think of as one of these Chinese dragons. You
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know how you see in parades and such and celebrations
Chinese people, they often they run around and they have
these big, long like dragon puppets they're manipulating. Actually, what
I have is not a Chinese dragon, though it is
a it's a Chinese lion. A lot of people can
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confuse those two that it's a legitimate costume from the
Chinese lion dance. And the difference is. Okay, when you
see these like Chinese parties and parades and stuff, you
usually see lion dancing and then dragon dancing. A lion
dance is performed by two people and a two person costume,
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and a dragon dance is performed by a much larger team,
up to nine people, and they're using poles to manipulate
this long serpentine dragon puppet with flowing and undulating movements. Okay,
So just you know, in case you find that interesting
and you don't know that much about it, don't confuse
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the law that the Chinese lion with the Chinese dragon
and these things. So, but what's the point of all this?
Both dances are traditional and performed during celebrations to bring
good luck. The lion and the lion dance is often
associated with martial arts and can involve more acrobatic movements,
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whereas the dragon dance is more about just graceful, flowing motions.
But in general, though the dragon is supposed to to
bring let's see, let's see your Chinese lion versus dragon.
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Let's see what we can say about, like I want
to make sure I get this right, okay, And Chinese culture,
the dragon is a mythical creature symbolizing imperial power, wisdom,
and control over the elements like rain and water, while
the lion represents strength, stability and protective power. So they're
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both you know, obviously like good lucky symbols. But the
idea is that like the I think, is a bit
more of like an active figure that's out there and
you know, making things happen, and then the lion is
more of like the protector that fins off these you know,
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dark and evil things. All right, So look, fine, we
have all these legends, we have all these stories, but
what's is there any kind of the basis in fact here? Well,
we know that already we don't really have any evidence
of a fire breathing creature. But let's go back to dinosaurs.
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When we're dinosaurs discovered. What are these things? You know,
you've heard of a pterodectyl, but a pterosaur is more like,
what is a pterosaur? Is it possible that tterodectyls and
pterosaurs and all that kind of planted a seed. But
then it gets really really weird because I have a
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story I'm going to tell you about a woman who
took pictures of what looks like a dragon flying through
her backyard, and I swear this is legit. I'm Joshua P. Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back
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after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on
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the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. In two thousand and six,
I published a book called Pet Ghosts Animal Encounters from
Beyond the Grave. You should be able to find it
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on Amazon, and I wrote this I referenced another book
called Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained, And this is
one of my favorite books that I read when I
was growing up, and there's a story recounted about a
pterodactyl seen alive in France in eighteen fifty six. Now,
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by the way, I presume you all know what a
pterodectyl is, but actually tradectyl is part of what's called
a pterosaur. Pterosaur is the broad term for the entire
group of flying reptiles, while terradectyl refers to a specific
genus within that group. Anyway, eighteen fifty six terodactyl seen
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alive in France in eighteen fifty six, workers were toiling
on a railway tunnel between the Saint Dizzier and Nancy Lions,
and it said, quote in the half light of the tunnel,
something monstrous stumbled toward them out of a great boulder
of Jurassic limestone they had just split open. It fluttered,
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its wings, croaked, and died at their feet. The creature,
whose wingspan was ten feet seven inches, had four legs
joined by a membrane like a bat. What should have
been feet were long talons and the mouth was arrayed
with sharp teeth, the skin was like black leather, thick
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and oily. And then let's see here. A paleontology student
at the nearby township of Gray immediately identified the animal
as a pterodactyl. The limestone within which the creature was
imprisoned seemed consistent with the period in which those winged
creatures lived, and the particular section of stone contained a
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cavity with the exact shape of the beast, forming a
mold of its body. This story is credited to the
Illustrated London News, February ninth, eighteen fifty six, page one
sixty six, and astoundingly, there is no mention of what
happened to that animal, and its whereabouts are still completely
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lost to history. Why is this now? Okay, let's just
say that this may be true. That was eighteen fifty six. Well,
what blows my mind is that dinosaurs were officially quote
unquote discovered and acknowledged by scientists in the eighteen twenties.
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Did you know it was that? Now, maybe that doesn't
seem like it to you, but I was born in
the nineteen hundreds and so to think that scientists didn't
even acknowledge dinosaurs existed until the eighteen hundreds. Like, that's
shocking to me. Dinosaurs were discovered in the eighteen twenties
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when fossils were scientifically described by let's see starting with
Megalosaurus by William Buckland. Dinosaur means terrible lizard and megalosaurus
means great lizard. But I mean, did you realize that?
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I mean, these dinosaurs have always been there as long
as humans have been there, but it took scientists until
the eighteen hundreds to piece it together and to figure
it out, isn't it? I mean like that, that is
that just blows my mind every single time I think
about it. And you know, years ago, my wife Lauren
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is from Texas, and so years ago we were exploring Texas.
I was visiting for and staying for a while, and
we went to Austin and they have this gigantic skeleton
of a pterosaur. Let's see it. They call it the Keetscotlus,
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which is basically like the cuckocon animal. If you know,
if you follow that, you walk into this room, you
look up and you see this enormous skeleton of what
looks like a dragon. They say it's the largest known
flying animal, which was discovered in Big Ben National Park, Texas,
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by a University of Texas at Austin graduate student in
nineteen seventy one. And I mean when you walk in, like,
let's see how big is this darn thing? Let's see
how big is the Texas pterosaur because I mean, like
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I say, I've seen this in person. Okay, it has
a wing span of almost forty feet forty feet and
a weight of over five hundred pounds. Okay, I know
people listen to the show all over the world. Forty
feet that's twelve that's over twelve meters. And then let's
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see here. What did I say, five hundred pounds five
hundred pounds to kilograms, that's two hundred and twenty six kilograms.
I walked into a building and looked up and saw
this thing up there. These things have existed. You know,
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these are real. That's a dragon. Like, that's a real
thing that existed at one point as a dragon. Now, now, granted,
you know we have Kimodo dragons that are out there.
They can be up to ten feet long and weigh
over three hundred pounds. Let's see what's ten feet two meters? Sorry,
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I have to do these conversions. Okay, so that's three
about three meters that's how big a Kimodo dragon is.
And you know these Kimodo dragons, they they shoot their
tongues out there. They have these forked tongues and they
shoot their tongues out there like a snake. And you know,
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and some of these snakes have very colorful tongues. They
say that the reason that snakes and some of these
other reptiles have these fork and tong is because, well
they're smelling the environment constantly with their tongues, and by
having a fork, it's like stereo smell. So you know,
how like you have two ears so that you can
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sort of get a richer idea of sound is coming
from the right or the left, or you have two
eyes so that you have depth perception. Well that's why
they these creatures have fork tongues because when their tongue
comes out, it's got two sections and they're comparing two points,
and so they have this sensation that we can't relate to,
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which is like a stereo smell. And a lot of
these reptiles have these colorful tongues that shoot in and out.
And I would be willing to bet that if there
was some overlap between early humans and some of these
reptilian creatures with these bright fork of tongues shooting in
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and out, that might have been what created the idea
of them being flame breathing or fire breathing, because for
one thing, you know now, like you grew up in
a nice, comfy environment where you can go to a
zoo and spend all day looking at one of these
things and you can figure out, oh, it's a colorful tongue.
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But back in the day, if you ran into something
like this, you might have two seconds of seeing this
FOURK tongue shoot out and you're like, I am out
of here, and all you can say is like it
looked like it was breathing fire. So is there any
reality to the fact that, you know, dragons may have
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been real? Why not? Of course. But you know what,
we know that taradactyls exist, and taradactyls look like dragons.
And I just have to tell you that. In this
book Pet Ghosts, I wrote about this woman named Lynn Jackson,
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and she lived on a farm in South Carolina, and
she and her family started seeing what looked like some
kind of a dragon flying around at night on their property,
this big farm, and they even took a picture of it.
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As a matter of fact, If you go to Joshua
Pwarren dot com, there's a section at the top of
the menu there called Gallery of the Strange. If you
click that, there's a section called World's Wildest Ghost Photos,
and it's definitely worth going there. But on page four
you're going to see what I have called devil dragons.
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These are actual photographs by Lynn Jackson in Lancaster, South Carolina,
as featured in my book Pet Ghosts. And I swear
to you when you look at these pictures and I
analyze these, these are legit. It looks like these giant,
misty pterodactyl type things terosaurs that are flying around. And
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regardless of whether or not ancient people were able to
see some of these living examples of these beings and
maybe they had big bright fork tug shooting in and
out to look like flames, there still may be ghosts
of some of these kinds of creatures that are flying
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around out there. And again, don't take my word for it,
go look at these pictures. It looks to me like
we have these big, misty apparitional forms that look a
lot like pterosaurs or pterodactyls of some kind. And you
can even see in one of them a what looks
like maybe a big fork tongue shooting out like it's
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breathing fire. Now, is this just paradoia? Certainly could be,
but it may be that in the past, early people
had encounters with these beings, and now, even if they're
not still around physically, we may be encountering the apparitions
of these beings, and that may be more of what
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we're what we're dealing with when people say they encounter
dragons nowadays. When we come back from this break, I
gotta wrap up the show, a guy contacted me and said,
I am cursed, yep, one of those. He asked me
what to do about it, and I'll tell you what
I told him. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to
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Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I
AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back.
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Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Laurn
And the other day I was watching the nineteen seventy
seven cartoon movie The Hobbit, And of course The Hobbit
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is about the adventures of this little guy, Bilbo Baggins,
who is persuaded by the wizard Gandolf to join this
company of thirteen dwarves on a quest to reclaim their
ancestral home and treasure from a dragon, a dragon named Smog. Yeah,
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and one of my favorite songs, The Great Arrested Avenger,
is what lies ahead today and tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Are you to be said?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
The chances, the changes are all yours to make. The
mold over your life. Isn't your hands to break? The
man who's a dreamer never text leave? Who thinks of
the world that is just Nick will leave?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, I could keep going. That's uh, that's Glenn Yarborough.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh well, never no passion, will never no pain. Who
sits by them in the days you reign?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Glen Yarborough saying that he was born in nineteen thirty
died in twenty sixteen, age eighty six. Go go listen
to some more Glen Yarborough stuff. Say. He died from
complications of dementia which followed a history of COPD. Eighty
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six years old, died at home in Nashville, Tennessee, surrounded
by family. Another example though, of just you know, a
story like a whole epic series that starts with this
quest for a dragon. So, I mean, our dragons are
dragons real, Look, they once existed. Terosaurs prove that pterosaurs, pterodactyls.
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They prove that those are dragons, and it's possible that
there are still some out there. As a matter of fact,
as recently as twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, there were at
least two reports that I know of of people here
in the state of Nevada claiming that they're driving down
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the road and all of a sudden they're shocked because
they look up and they see a pterodactyl flying around.
As a matter of fact, I even have a little
terodactyl skeleton replica that I have used before when telling
that story. Now, is that I mean, is that real?
I don't know. I mean, these are just stories. But
there are people who still say they're seeing occasionally a pterodactyl,
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but knowing that those creatures lived well. Also, I mean,
we can say if we are to accept there are
such things as ghosts or spirits, things that get recorded
in the environment from the past. Well, then there may
be ghosts or spiritual beings that look like this, or
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they may just be interdimensional beings that we encounter sometimes
that have these characteristics that we consider dragons. So are
dragons real? It depends on what you mean by that,
But you know what, why not? Sure? Yeah, they're real
to some in some way, depending on how you define things.
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Dragons are real, and they're very powerful symbols for people.
I guess it's because they combine so many features and uh,
you know, dragons strike some people more powerfully than others.
But when you start thinking about you know, where you
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place your faith and what you believe in. It's a
very personal thing, you know. I'm not a guru, I'm
not a minister. I'm not here to tell you that
I know the answers to things show is called strange things.
I'm here to raise questions and explore mysteries. I'm not
here to answer things. I mean, I'll try. I can
sit here and give you my opinion on stuff, but
I don't know. I get all kinds of interesting emails
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from people though, all the time, and they ask me questions.
Here's one. I get this one from time to time.
This came from a person named Sean and the subject
line is witchcraft. It says, hello, I found you from
coast to coast. I have a problem. I don't know
if you or anyone you know could help. The reason
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I'm emailing you is I'm possibly in need of some
spiritual assistance. I think someone might have put a curse
on me years ago. I'm not sure if you or
anyone you know could tell me if I'm correct in
thinking that, and how to go about getting rid of it.
The story is blow. It goes on to say I
live in southern Delaware, probably of Irish and English heritage,
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if that matters. This happened back in twenty sixteen. At
the time, and still to this day, I don't have
any spiritual protection. I met a person back then who
was also from Delaware, probably of similar heritage. Seemed to
have been in witchcraft or something like that, judging by
the way they talked and the interest they had. I
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also remember they had an interest in rocks, and I
think they liked to collect animal bones. They also liked
to cut themselves. This person was not very nice. They
could be full of anger and hatred at times, and
they mentioned one of their family members that were involved
in this stuff as well. Goes on to talk about
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somebody who's connected to Louisiana curses voodoo. Unfortunately, I made
this person very very mad in twenty sixteen, made them
made them mad by accident, not on purpose, but I
did wrong them in a bad way. And this person
and I stopped talking talking in about a week or
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two after we stopped well, I had a medical episode.
Ever since then, I've had constant bad luck, misfortune and misery,
just a bad quality of life in general. The strange
thing about it is, it almost seems as if there's
an intelligence to my bad luck. Things seem to happen
at the worst time, or a bunch of stuff will
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happen at once. I noticed that whenever I have an
improvement in my life in a lot of these cases,
in a short period of time, there will be another
bad thing that happens right around then to counteract any
good thing that may have happened. And every single time
that I've had a big improvement, well, it basically seems
there's some kind of bad luck that gets tied to that.
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Setbacks goes on to say, this is a fairly consistent pattern,
been going on since twenty sixteen, ten years this person
is talking about says, I developed an interest in the
paranormal in twenty two I'm wondering about this a curse
or an attachment or an entity. I have no involvement
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in witchcraft or talking to the dead or anything like that.
I need assistance. And then the person goes on to say,
I'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee for some
help in getting this resolved. So here's what I say
to people like Sean, and I say this all the time.
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If you think you may be cursed, go listen to
episode eighty one of this podcast called Strange Things. That
particular episode is called if You Are Cursed. Episode eighty
one of this podcast called If You Are Cursed. In
that podcast, I will tell you that I am not
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a curse breaker, and you don't pay me or hire me.
I don't know how to break curses, but I give
you some insight, and I also do refer you to
some people who might be able to help you. And
you know, if you don't think curses are real, well,
have you ever said a blessing? You ever said a prayer,
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Because if you believe a blessing means something, or if
you mean a prayer means something, well, then you also
have to believe that curses may mean something. It's the
same thing, it's just the opposite. Sometimes all you have
to do is just write what your problems are on
a piece of paper, and then below it write the solution,
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and then underline that solution and kiss it and then
say thank you to God. But you got to consider
self fulfilling prophecies and be careful that you're not like,
you know, looking for something bad and cursing yourself. One
thing that's kind of interesting a person told me about.
They said, if you have another human being that you
think is doing something, projecting something towards you that you
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don't like, print out a picture of that person. If
you don't have a picture, write that person's name on
a piece of paper, you know, represent that person some way,
and then take that and put it in a bowl
of water, and then put that bowl of water in
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your freezer and freeze it. And imagine that as that
bowl of water is freezing, that it's locking up that
person's ability to do anything that affects you And once
that thing is frozen, you keep it in there, and
that person is frozen and they cannot do anything to
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project something negative towards you anyway. Like I say, go
listen to episode eighty one of Strange Things. The clock
is goddess. Let's all make this next week the best ever.
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Ready to will be amazed by the wizard of Weird.
This is Strange with Joshua. I am Joshua if you warren't.
And each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
brand new my blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments
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you can do at home, and a lot more on
this edition of the show. Dragons, Yes, Dragons. I want
to start by by telling you a story. I have
a good friend I have known for many years, and
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he lives in a major city here in the United States.
He actually is quite well known, very charismatic. I don't
want to give out his actual full identity. Let's call
him Xavier, and he told me a story that I
want to share with you. Last time I was in
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his town, we got together at a bar. He doesn't drink,
but anyway, he was saying, it's too bad you couldn't
make it to my wedding. And I definitely would have
tried to make it to his wedding, but I was
obligated to film a TV series. There was no way
(02:32):
I could do it. And I said, yeah, I'm sorry,
I couldn't do that. And he said, well, it was
a heck of a spectacle, said let me tell you
what happened. I said, okay. He said, well, I met
this lady and it was, you know, lightning struck, and
I knew that she was to be the love of
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my life. Now he had always he'd already been married
once before arter marriage, I guess is what some call that.
But no, he met her and he said, yeah, this
is the one. And at this point, you know, because
he was getting a little bit, you know, he was
(03:13):
closer to middle age, so he was not a naive
a naive young man at this point, so he wanted
to make sure that this wedding was going to be
absolutely extra special. They were going to rent this nice,
big retreat with a huge lawn and just like you know,
go all out. And Xavier told me that he just
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did not want his wedding ring to be some boring, old,
normal wedding band. He needed it to be something special.
He'd been saving up money for many, many years to
buy something nice. You know, some guys they'll go out
and they'll buy a sports car or a boat or something. Well,
in his particular case, he said, I decided that I
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was going to take all this money that I had
saved up, and I was going to have a master artisan,
a master jeweler, create a ring for me, a wedding
ring for me that would be truly unique and amazing.
And he said, I have always believed that dragons were real,
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and that dragons are powerful, and there are probably still
dragons out there. And when I think about dragons, it
gives me adrenaline, It pumps me up, it makes me excited.
I decided I wanted to have an artisan make me
a ring that looked like a dragon wrapping its body
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and its tail around my finger. And so Xavier, sure enough,
he did all his research and he found a master artisan,
and he went to this artisan, and he described what
he wanted. He even had sketches, and he said, I
want this to be absolutely stunning. I want it to
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be made of gold. I want there to be diamonds.
I want there to be rubies, I want there to
be emeralds. Spare no expense. This has got to be
an amazing, an amazing ring will remind me of the
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love I have for this woman every time I look
at it, and the artist and said, sir, I shall
do my best. Well, there was no rush, and so
a good bit of time passed. I think it might
have even been months, and finally one day the arts
in contacted Xavier and said the ring is ready. Xavier
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shows up at the shop and oh, my lord, this
ring is practically glowing. It's practically radiating light. It is magnificent.
The artisan in a standing there speech for a little bit,
just waiting, you know, to just sort of soaking in
Xavier's reaction. Xavier says to the artisan, it's absolutely exquisite.
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I'm truly amazed. And the artisan says, I've been doing
this for fifty years. This is my masterpiece. This dragon
ring is the finest thing that I have ever created.
If I am only remembered for one thing. I hope
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it is this ring. So Xavier, giddy as a kid
on Christmas morning, takes this astounding ring and he goes
back to his house and he's sitting there and he's
thinking about the wedding, and he says, you know what,
this ring is so incredible. I can't just have a
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human being hand this to me. This ring is so
exceptional that the only fitting way for it to be
delivered to me during this precious wedding ceremony, it must
be delivered to my hand by a falcon. Yes, a falcon,
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a majestic bird's he envisioned a falcon flying through the
air dropping this ring into his hand. And so now
he goes on a new quest and he found the falconer,
and the falconer says, well, we've never done anything quite
like that before, but I think we can do it.
There's a first time for everything. And so sure enough,
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the wedding day rolls around, beautiful, sunny, perfect day, nice
little breeze. Tons of people show up, everybody's dressed to
the nines, big green lawn. It really does look like
something out of the magazine. So at the appropriate time,
Xavier and his bride are standing there in front of
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the priest, and then the moment of truth arises. Tucked
away secretly in the back behind everybody. This whole time
has been this falconer. And finally, when the signal is given,
the falconer releases the falcon, and the falcon this falconer says,
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it's like one of the most intelligent falcons ever. So
this falcon is holding this ring and its talons, and
he's flying from behind, so nobody knows what's coming in
the audience. The bride doesn't even know. This has been
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a well kept secret between Xavier and the falconer and
this falcon. This majestic falcon springs into action from behind
the crowd, and it comes out looking like some kind
of mythical Greek miracle. And that lasts for about one
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or two seconds, because it becomes quickly evident that this nice, big,
heavy bejeweled ring, this golden ring, is actually way too
heavy for this falcon. And so suddenly, as this falcon
is flying toward Xavier, he begins to look like he's drunk.
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The falcon looks like it's drunk. Now I know that
birds can't sweat. But if they could, this falcon would
be sweating. And this falcon, it's doing everything it can
to cross this space, and it's weaving left and right,
and it's and suddenly it's dipping down and it's hitting people,
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and panic ensues. Women are screaming, children are fleeing. Nobody
understands what's happening. This falcon is pounding its wings like
it's the last thing that's ever gonna do. It looks
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like a terrible disaster. And then at the last possible moment,
that falcon, that falcon, it pulls up and it releases
and it drops that ring, bang perfectly into Xavier's hand.
Couldn't have done a better job. The falcon flies off.
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Everybody is just again like craze. They don't know what's
going on. His new bride is freaking out, and he
now has this memory, this unbelievable memory of this successful mission,
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this falcon delivering this dragon ring to him. Well, they're
divorced now. But I bring this up because this is
an example of how strongly some people feel about dragons.
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Do you know anybody who feels like that. I know
a lot of people who have a very strong opinion
about the reality of dragons. And just recently I was
on Coast to Coast AM with George Norri and a
woman called in and she said, why don't you do
a show about dragons? And I thought, you know what,
maybe I will. Well, here is that show. We have
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to take a break. When we come back, we're going
to dig into We're dragons real? Are dragons reel? I
think you're going to be surprised with where this show goes.
I really do. By the way, if you like this
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host,
the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your
wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
where every day is golden and every night is Silverjetato
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Zoome and I mentioned this before, but here we go again.
Programming A programming note obviously little odd because this is
a podcast and you can be listening to it at
any time. You could be listening to this five years
after I made it. But if you're one of those
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people who is listening right now, like sort of after
it's just been released, I am going to be taking
some time off for the holidays, so do not be alarmed.
Part of it will be rest and relaxation. Part of
it will be some brand new investigations, and you will
not believe some of the experiences I'm going to be
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telling you about when I come back. Okay, we're talking
about dragons. In twenty twelve, I went to Romania, to
the region called Transylvania, and I got to investigate many
of the castles and ruins associated with Vlad the Impaler.
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He was called Dracula because his father was called uh
Vlad Dracool. Dracool means a dragon, and and then and
their language. And as a matter of fact, okay, so
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his father, known as Vlad Dracool, was a member. He
was he was you know, he was a ruler, and
he was a member of this thing called the Order
of the Dragon. And this was a or society of
the dragonists, a chivalric order. And what that means is
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they were it was like an order of knights, a
fellowship of knights, and it was only for people who
were uh monarchs or aristocracy. Founded in fourteen o eight.
There's no sense in digging too deep into that. But
his so his dad was Vlad Dracoul, meaning Vlad the Dragon,
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because that he was a member of this Order of
the Dragon. And then his son, who became the famous Dracula,
Vlad Dracula was meant son of the dragon. He actually
signed his name Draco Yah or Draco Yah. So sometimes
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you might hear, like we often say, we talk about Dracula,
but if you hear Europeans say Draco Yah, well that's
actually probably more like it actually was pronounced by him.
And I just bring that up because you know, this
again is an example of people who lived a long
time ago who took this whole dragon thing really seriously.
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So I mean, like, how much how much legitimacy is
there this idea that dragons once lived. Okay, well, let's
just look at the definition of the dragon. Okay, So
here's what Wikipedia will tell you. A dragon is a magical,
legendary creature that appears in the folklore of multiple cultures worldwide.
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Beliefs about dragons vary considerably through regions, but dragons and
Western cultures since the High Middle Ages have often been
depicted as winged, horned, and capable of breathing fire. Dragons
and Eastern cultures are usually depicted as wingless, four legged,
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serpentine creatures with above average intelligence. Commonalities between dragons traits
are often a hybridization of reptilian, mammalian, and avian features.
That's kind of weird, is it mixes all that stuff together? Okay,
so fire breathing, let's just start with that. Is it
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has there ever been an animal that could breathe fire?
You know what, if you go back to the Bible,
the King James version of the Bible Book of Job,
chapter forty one, verses eighteen through twenty one. It talks
about this beast called Leviathon. Leviathon is a dragon like
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sea serpent demon, and it's referenced in the Hebrew Bible
as a metaphor, a metaphor for a powerful enemy. Let's see,
it's referred to in various various books. But what's what's
interesting is if you look at that that actual quote
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from Job, it says, Leviathon's snorting throws out flashes of light.
Its eyes shine like the first light of day. Flames
spray out of its mouth, Sparks of fire shoot out,
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Smoke pours out of its nose. It is like smoke
from a boiling pot over burning grass. Its breath sets
coals on fire, Flames fly out of its mouth. Well,
that makes it pretty clear, doesn't it that according to
the Bible, this dragon like sea serpent named Leviathon is
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breathing fire. You know, that's a very early reference to
this kind of concept. But if you actually like look
it up, like, has there ever been evidence of an
animal that breathes fire? No, what's weird is that, you know,
when you start researching this, people are trying to stretch it.
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They're like, well, there's a beetle that ejects a boiling
hot and noxious chemical spray, the bombard ear beetle, and
hypothetically other animals could evolve fire breathing abilities by creating
a chemical reaction similar to the beetles, but they would
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need to overcome some significant biological hurdles like developing flame
resistant organs and a system to store and expel flammable
substances without harming themselves, etcetera, etcetera. So apparently we don't
have any evidence that any animal that has ever lived
here on Earth could actually breathe fire, and yet you know,
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we have all of these amazing depictions of these fire
breathing dragons. You know, it's kind of funny if you
ever visit my house, and who knows, I doubt I'm
gonna do this, but someday I might just get a
wild hair and say, all right, I'm gonna sell some
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tickets and you can come to my house and see
my personal collection. Again, that's probably never gonna happen. But
when you walk in the door of my house, if
you look up, there's a big, big, high tall ceiling,
and I have mounted there what a lot of people
would think of as one of these Chinese dragons. You
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know how you see in parades and such and celebrations
Chinese people, they often they run around and they have
these big, long like dragon puppets they're manipulating. Actually, what
I have is not a Chinese dragon, though it is
a it's a Chinese lion. A lot of people can
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confuse those two that it's a legitimate costume from the
Chinese lion dance. And the difference is. Okay, when you
see these like Chinese parties and parades and stuff, you
usually see lion dancing and then dragon dancing. A lion
dance is performed by two people and a two person costume,
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and a dragon dance is performed by a much larger team,
up to nine people, and they're using poles to manipulate
this long serpentine dragon puppet with flowing and undulating movements. Okay,
So just you know, in case you find that interesting
and you don't know that much about it, don't confuse
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the law that the Chinese lion with the Chinese dragon
and these things. So, but what's the point of all this?
Both dances are traditional and performed during celebrations to bring
good luck. The lion and the lion dance is often
associated with martial arts and can involve more acrobatic movements,
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whereas the dragon dance is more about just graceful, flowing motions.
But in general, though the dragon is supposed to to
bring let's see, let's see your Chinese lion versus dragon.
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Let's see what we can say about, like I want
to make sure I get this right, okay, And Chinese culture,
the dragon is a mythical creature symbolizing imperial power, wisdom,
and control over the elements like rain and water, while
the lion represents strength, stability and protective power. So they're
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both you know, obviously like good lucky symbols. But the
idea is that like the I think, is a bit
more of like an active figure that's out there and
you know, making things happen, and then the lion is
more of like the protector that fins off these you know,
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dark and evil things. All right, So look, fine, we
have all these legends, we have all these stories, but
what's is there any kind of the basis in fact here? Well,
we know that already we don't really have any evidence
of a fire breathing creature. But let's go back to dinosaurs.
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When we're dinosaurs discovered. What are these things? You know,
you've heard of a pterodectyl, but a pterosaur is more like,
what is a pterosaur? Is it possible that tterodectyls and
pterosaurs and all that kind of planted a seed. But
then it gets really really weird because I have a
(24:57):
story I'm going to tell you about a woman who
took pictures of what looks like a dragon flying through
her backyard, and I swear this is legit. I'm Joshua P. Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back
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after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on
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the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. In two thousand and six,
I published a book called Pet Ghosts Animal Encounters from
Beyond the Grave. You should be able to find it
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on Amazon, and I wrote this I referenced another book
called Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained, And this is
one of my favorite books that I read when I
was growing up, and there's a story recounted about a
pterodactyl seen alive in France in eighteen fifty six. Now,
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by the way, I presume you all know what a
pterodectyl is, but actually tradectyl is part of what's called
a pterosaur. Pterosaur is the broad term for the entire
group of flying reptiles, while terradectyl refers to a specific
genus within that group. Anyway, eighteen fifty six terodactyl seen
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alive in France in eighteen fifty six, workers were toiling
on a railway tunnel between the Saint Dizzier and Nancy Lions,
and it said, quote in the half light of the tunnel,
something monstrous stumbled toward them out of a great boulder
of Jurassic limestone they had just split open. It fluttered,
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its wings, croaked, and died at their feet. The creature,
whose wingspan was ten feet seven inches, had four legs
joined by a membrane like a bat. What should have
been feet were long talons and the mouth was arrayed
with sharp teeth, the skin was like black leather, thick
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and oily. And then let's see here. A paleontology student
at the nearby township of Gray immediately identified the animal
as a pterodactyl. The limestone within which the creature was
imprisoned seemed consistent with the period in which those winged
creatures lived, and the particular section of stone contained a
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cavity with the exact shape of the beast, forming a
mold of its body. This story is credited to the
Illustrated London News, February ninth, eighteen fifty six, page one
sixty six, and astoundingly, there is no mention of what
happened to that animal, and its whereabouts are still completely
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lost to history. Why is this now? Okay, let's just
say that this may be true. That was eighteen fifty six. Well,
what blows my mind is that dinosaurs were officially quote
unquote discovered and acknowledged by scientists in the eighteen twenties.
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Did you know it was that? Now, maybe that doesn't
seem like it to you, but I was born in
the nineteen hundreds and so to think that scientists didn't
even acknowledge dinosaurs existed until the eighteen hundreds. Like, that's
shocking to me. Dinosaurs were discovered in the eighteen twenties
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when fossils were scientifically described by let's see starting with
Megalosaurus by William Buckland. Dinosaur means terrible lizard and megalosaurus
means great lizard. But I mean, did you realize that?
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I mean, these dinosaurs have always been there as long
as humans have been there, but it took scientists until
the eighteen hundreds to piece it together and to figure
it out, isn't it? I mean like that, that is
that just blows my mind every single time I think
about it. And you know, years ago, my wife Lauren
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is from Texas, and so years ago we were exploring Texas.
I was visiting for and staying for a while, and
we went to Austin and they have this gigantic skeleton
of a pterosaur. Let's see it. They call it the Keetscotlus,
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which is basically like the cuckocon animal. If you know,
if you follow that, you walk into this room, you
look up and you see this enormous skeleton of what
looks like a dragon. They say it's the largest known
flying animal, which was discovered in Big Ben National Park, Texas,
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by a University of Texas at Austin graduate student in
nineteen seventy one. And I mean when you walk in, like,
let's see how big is this darn thing? Let's see
how big is the Texas pterosaur because I mean, like
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I say, I've seen this in person. Okay, it has
a wing span of almost forty feet forty feet and
a weight of over five hundred pounds. Okay, I know
people listen to the show all over the world. Forty
feet that's twelve that's over twelve meters. And then let's
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see here. What did I say, five hundred pounds five
hundred pounds to kilograms, that's two hundred and twenty six kilograms.
I walked into a building and looked up and saw
this thing up there. These things have existed. You know,
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these are real. That's a dragon. Like, that's a real
thing that existed at one point as a dragon. Now, now, granted,
you know we have Kimodo dragons that are out there.
They can be up to ten feet long and weigh
over three hundred pounds. Let's see what's ten feet two meters? Sorry,
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I have to do these conversions. Okay, so that's three
about three meters that's how big a Kimodo dragon is.
And you know these Kimodo dragons, they they shoot their
tongues out there. They have these forked tongues and they
shoot their tongues out there like a snake. And you know,
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and some of these snakes have very colorful tongues. They
say that the reason that snakes and some of these
other reptiles have these fork and tong is because, well
they're smelling the environment constantly with their tongues, and by
having a fork, it's like stereo smell. So you know,
how like you have two ears so that you can
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sort of get a richer idea of sound is coming
from the right or the left, or you have two
eyes so that you have depth perception. Well that's why
they these creatures have fork tongues because when their tongue
comes out, it's got two sections and they're comparing two points,
and so they have this sensation that we can't relate to,
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which is like a stereo smell. And a lot of
these reptiles have these colorful tongues that shoot in and out.
And I would be willing to bet that if there
was some overlap between early humans and some of these
reptilian creatures with these bright fork of tongues shooting in
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and out, that might have been what created the idea
of them being flame breathing or fire breathing, because for
one thing, you know now, like you grew up in
a nice, comfy environment where you can go to a
zoo and spend all day looking at one of these
things and you can figure out, oh, it's a colorful tongue.
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But back in the day, if you ran into something
like this, you might have two seconds of seeing this
FOURK tongue shoot out and you're like, I am out
of here, and all you can say is like it
looked like it was breathing fire. So is there any
reality to the fact that, you know, dragons may have
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been real? Why not? Of course. But you know what,
we know that taradactyls exist, and taradactyls look like dragons.
And I just have to tell you that. In this
book Pet Ghosts, I wrote about this woman named Lynn Jackson,
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and she lived on a farm in South Carolina, and
she and her family started seeing what looked like some
kind of a dragon flying around at night on their property,
this big farm, and they even took a picture of it.
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As a matter of fact, If you go to Joshua
Pwarren dot com, there's a section at the top of
the menu there called Gallery of the Strange. If you
click that, there's a section called World's Wildest Ghost Photos,
and it's definitely worth going there. But on page four
you're going to see what I have called devil dragons.
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These are actual photographs by Lynn Jackson in Lancaster, South Carolina,
as featured in my book Pet Ghosts. And I swear
to you when you look at these pictures and I
analyze these, these are legit. It looks like these giant,
misty pterodactyl type things terosaurs that are flying around. And
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regardless of whether or not ancient people were able to
see some of these living examples of these beings and
maybe they had big bright fork tug shooting in and
out to look like flames, there still may be ghosts
of some of these kinds of creatures that are flying
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around out there. And again, don't take my word for it,
go look at these pictures. It looks to me like
we have these big, misty apparitional forms that look a
lot like pterosaurs or pterodactyls of some kind. And you
can even see in one of them a what looks
like maybe a big fork tongue shooting out like it's
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breathing fire. Now, is this just paradoia? Certainly could be,
but it may be that in the past, early people
had encounters with these beings, and now, even if they're
not still around physically, we may be encountering the apparitions
of these beings, and that may be more of what
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we're what we're dealing with when people say they encounter
dragons nowadays. When we come back from this break, I
gotta wrap up the show, a guy contacted me and said,
I am cursed, yep, one of those. He asked me
what to do about it, and I'll tell you what
I told him. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to
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Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I
AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back.
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Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Laurn
And the other day I was watching the nineteen seventy
seven cartoon movie The Hobbit, And of course The Hobbit
(38:53):
is about the adventures of this little guy, Bilbo Baggins,
who is persuaded by the wizard Gandolf to join this
company of thirteen dwarves on a quest to reclaim their
ancestral home and treasure from a dragon, a dragon named Smog. Yeah,
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and one of my favorite songs, The Great Arrested Avenger,
is what lies ahead today and tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Are you to be said?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
The chances, the changes are all yours to make. The
mold over your life. Isn't your hands to break? The
man who's a dreamer never text leave? Who thinks of
the world that is just Nick will leave?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, I could keep going. That's uh, that's Glenn Yarborough.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh well, never no passion, will never no pain. Who
sits by them in the days you reign?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Glen Yarborough saying that he was born in nineteen thirty
died in twenty sixteen, age eighty six. Go go listen
to some more Glen Yarborough stuff. Say. He died from
complications of dementia which followed a history of COPD. Eighty
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six years old, died at home in Nashville, Tennessee, surrounded
by family. Another example though, of just you know, a
story like a whole epic series that starts with this
quest for a dragon. So, I mean, our dragons are
dragons real, Look, they once existed. Terosaurs prove that pterosaurs, pterodactyls.
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They prove that those are dragons, and it's possible that
there are still some out there. As a matter of fact,
as recently as twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, there were at
least two reports that I know of of people here
in the state of Nevada claiming that they're driving down
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the road and all of a sudden they're shocked because
they look up and they see a pterodactyl flying around.
As a matter of fact, I even have a little
terodactyl skeleton replica that I have used before when telling
that story. Now, is that I mean, is that real?
I don't know. I mean, these are just stories. But
there are people who still say they're seeing occasionally a pterodactyl,
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but knowing that those creatures lived well. Also, I mean,
we can say if we are to accept there are
such things as ghosts or spirits, things that get recorded
in the environment from the past. Well, then there may
be ghosts or spiritual beings that look like this, or
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they may just be interdimensional beings that we encounter sometimes
that have these characteristics that we consider dragons. So are
dragons real? It depends on what you mean by that,
But you know what, why not? Sure? Yeah, they're real
to some in some way, depending on how you define things.
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Dragons are real, and they're very powerful symbols for people.
I guess it's because they combine so many features and uh,
you know, dragons strike some people more powerfully than others.
But when you start thinking about you know, where you
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place your faith and what you believe in. It's a
very personal thing, you know. I'm not a guru, I'm
not a minister. I'm not here to tell you that
I know the answers to things show is called strange things.
I'm here to raise questions and explore mysteries. I'm not
here to answer things. I mean, I'll try. I can
sit here and give you my opinion on stuff, but
I don't know. I get all kinds of interesting emails
(43:15):
from people though, all the time, and they ask me questions.
Here's one. I get this one from time to time.
This came from a person named Sean and the subject
line is witchcraft. It says, hello, I found you from
coast to coast. I have a problem. I don't know
if you or anyone you know could help. The reason
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I'm emailing you is I'm possibly in need of some
spiritual assistance. I think someone might have put a curse
on me years ago. I'm not sure if you or
anyone you know could tell me if I'm correct in
thinking that, and how to go about getting rid of it.
The story is blow. It goes on to say I
live in southern Delaware, probably of Irish and English heritage,
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if that matters. This happened back in twenty sixteen. At
the time, and still to this day, I don't have
any spiritual protection. I met a person back then who
was also from Delaware, probably of similar heritage. Seemed to
have been in witchcraft or something like that, judging by
the way they talked and the interest they had. I
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also remember they had an interest in rocks, and I
think they liked to collect animal bones. They also liked
to cut themselves. This person was not very nice. They
could be full of anger and hatred at times, and
they mentioned one of their family members that were involved
in this stuff as well. Goes on to talk about
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somebody who's connected to Louisiana curses voodoo. Unfortunately, I made
this person very very mad in twenty sixteen, made them
made them mad by accident, not on purpose, but I
did wrong them in a bad way. And this person
and I stopped talking talking in about a week or
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two after we stopped well, I had a medical episode.
Ever since then, I've had constant bad luck, misfortune and misery,
just a bad quality of life in general. The strange
thing about it is, it almost seems as if there's
an intelligence to my bad luck. Things seem to happen
at the worst time, or a bunch of stuff will
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happen at once. I noticed that whenever I have an
improvement in my life in a lot of these cases,
in a short period of time, there will be another
bad thing that happens right around then to counteract any
good thing that may have happened. And every single time
that I've had a big improvement, well, it basically seems
there's some kind of bad luck that gets tied to that.
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Setbacks goes on to say, this is a fairly consistent pattern,
been going on since twenty sixteen, ten years this person
is talking about says, I developed an interest in the
paranormal in twenty two I'm wondering about this a curse
or an attachment or an entity. I have no involvement
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in witchcraft or talking to the dead or anything like that.
I need assistance. And then the person goes on to say,
I'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee for some
help in getting this resolved. So here's what I say
to people like Sean, and I say this all the time.
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If you think you may be cursed, go listen to
episode eighty one of this podcast called Strange Things. That
particular episode is called if You Are Cursed. Episode eighty
one of this podcast called If You Are Cursed. In
that podcast, I will tell you that I am not
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a curse breaker, and you don't pay me or hire me.
I don't know how to break curses, but I give
you some insight, and I also do refer you to
some people who might be able to help you. And
you know, if you don't think curses are real, well,
have you ever said a blessing? You ever said a prayer,
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Because if you believe a blessing means something, or if
you mean a prayer means something, well, then you also
have to believe that curses may mean something. It's the
same thing, it's just the opposite. Sometimes all you have
to do is just write what your problems are on
a piece of paper, and then below it write the solution,
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and then underline that solution and kiss it and then
say thank you to God. But you got to consider
self fulfilling prophecies and be careful that you're not like,
you know, looking for something bad and cursing yourself. One
thing that's kind of interesting a person told me about.
They said, if you have another human being that you
think is doing something, projecting something towards you that you
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don't like, print out a picture of that person. If
you don't have a picture, write that person's name on
a piece of paper, you know, represent that person some way,
and then take that and put it in a bowl
of water, and then put that bowl of water in
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your freezer and freeze it. And imagine that as that
bowl of water is freezing, that it's locking up that
person's ability to do anything that affects you And once
that thing is frozen, you keep it in there, and
that person is frozen and they cannot do anything to
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project something negative towards you anyway. Like I say, go
listen to episode eighty one of Strange Things. The clock
is goddess. Let's all make this next week the best ever.
Take a deep breath, if you can close your eyes,
Let's all listen together to the good Fortune tone. That's
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you for staying curious, and I will talk to you
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