January 3, 2026 • 15 mins
George Noory and researcher Alejandro Rojas discuss his investigation into UFOs and his work developing an app to report UFO sightings, why there has been a decline in alien abduction stories in recent decades, and why he believes the public has to investigate UFOs because the government won't do it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back George Noria Alongo Dala Jndo Rojas. As we
talk about this new app called Enigma from l Enigma Labs,
which gives you vital to UFO information. We'll get more
into that in the moment. Alejandro, you were talking about
NASA and astronauts. Do you get a lot of reports
from them?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We don't, unfortunately, But that is what I was alluding to,
is that, you know, I'd always ask the NASA press people.
I said, okay, if I asked the astronaut about UFOs,
because it's kind of one of my beats, and they
were always very excited. They were like, please do I'm
so curious to what they would say. So they were
always very positive about it, although unfortunately none of them
(00:45):
told me they had their experience. Scott Kelly did say
at one point he saw something and he was freaking
out because he thought, oh my gosh, what is that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
But then he figured out what it was and he
was like, you know, we just have those events sometimes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now, what do you do with the information that goes
into Enigma from the people, How do you analyze it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, so great question.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So currently we crowdsource the analysis, so a big part
of Enigma and you can go to Enigma Labs dot io.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
That's the website if you're on the laptop.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That reminded me because you guys in your advertising remind
people of the website. But what we do is if
you go to Enigma Labs dot io, you'll see there's
comments on all of the sightings and you'll see we've
created this robust community of people who are very good
at kind of analyzing and saying, hey, have.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You thought it is?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
This?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Is it that we've got. Then the witness is typically
interfacing with people saying, well, I did think of it,
but I don't think it's just because of that, or
we figure out what it is. And there have been
and that's kind of exciting in itself. There have been
several things that are novel that people didn't know about
that we've been able to identify. Most for example, SpaceX,
(02:01):
not just the satellites themselves, which can do weird things,
but especially the spacecraft. Even just this week and Texas
we had this where one of the things that SpaceX
spacecraft will do in it it'll turn around and slow
down and it shoots this ginormous kind of halo of
(02:22):
It looks like kind of this spaceship, something out of
Star Wars. And people have gotten these videos and you know,
they don't know what the heck they are. I didn't neither,
but after doing some research, we were able to figure
out what it was and then inform people. So it's
really helpful that way too, because then we all get
to learn together about these things, and even pilots make mistakes.
(02:44):
Pilots were reporting these weird objects that were kind of
going in a circular pattern. They called them racetrack UFOs.
I got ahold of my buddy Ben Hampson, who works
with pilots a lot, and he said, yeah, I've been
getting the too.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
We're researching them.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We eventually figured out that they were space like satellites.
They just looked different from aircraft, and a lot of
pilots were seeing these and thought they were UFOs. They
went on CNN I think even talking about Hey, we're
seeing these weird UFOs. They got embarrassed unfortunately, because they
were like, oh, it turned out to be starlink and
they were like really embarrassed by it. But I don't
(03:24):
think they should be, and I tried to say, nobody
should be. We're all learning together, and that's what's great
about our community is we're learning to analyze these sightings together,
so we're educating each other so we get better and
better videos and we're able to help each other out.
So currently we're crowd analyzing. In the future, we are
working on AI tools to be able to identify. In fact,
(03:47):
we have an AR camera on the app, so you
can open up the camera feature on the app and
there is a tab where it'll show you all of
the planes and astronomical objects and satellites in the sky
right where you're looking, just like all these apps do,
like flight radar and all of these others, but we've
(04:09):
got it all combined and our app. So if you're
seeing something, you can click to this camera and see, oh,
that's that's SpaceX or you know, that's that's some astronomical thing.
But if nothing's there, you know, then you can say, hey,
you know, I use your app. I checked there were
no planes or anything that were supposed to be in
this area where I saw this weird thing. So you know,
(04:29):
we've got these built in tools to help people with
the analysis to get better and.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Better at that and further on.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, we're hoping and we are working on AI
and teaching AI, so it will be able to do
recommendations and it probably won't be too long till we
have this out. It'll say, you know, our AI tool
says this is likely this and you know the witness
can take it or leave it, all.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right, dear friend, Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting
Center started at all years ago with his reporting network
which was based primarily on the phone, and then his website.
You've taken it a step further with Enigma Labs. Congratulations exactly,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And you know, Peter was a big inspiration we used
to and I think we still have a picture of
him up in the office because you're right, you know,
he's one of the giants two shoulders we stand on,
and you know we have been in communication with him
over the time. Interesting enough, speaking of Kevin talking about Madar,
Peter Davin part thinks my Madar is the way to go.
(05:33):
I think he's been on your show a few times
talking about that. But yeah, I agree, and you can
see his sighting in our app.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So all of his reports, historical reports.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
A lot of other organizations we've got in the app,
so people can still see those sightings. But you know,
we've been collecting a lot on our own that are
originally given to us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
How do you vet some of the reports, Alejandro, that
come through the app?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, that's another great question my kind of theory, and
with most of us were only you know, wanting to
weed out hoaxes or people trying to trick us or
being silly or something like that, because at least, you know,
a lot of the data is still valuable. So for instance, drones,
(06:25):
we could have just said, you know, let's not you know,
these are obviously.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Drones, some of these, let's not approve those.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But then the drone thing happened last year, and it's
a good thing that we didn't do that because we
were able to go through our databases buying you know,
in those areas tens of thousands of people who had
reported seeing drones in Jersey, and we were able to
write up some reports and share that information, which was helpful,
and you know a lot of the media shared that.
(06:53):
So you know, it's same with the space X stuff.
We could say, oh, you know, that's that's a satellite.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Let's not put that on the app.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But at the same time, if we don't do that,
we're not educating people on what the satellites look like
and stuff like that. So really hoaxes are the only
thing that we've vet out. Otherwise, you know, we let
people discuss and come to their own conclusions on each
of the sidings and you know, share those socially our
best ones.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And that's what I do every day.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I'm looking at these videos every day to pick out
some of our best ones to share on social media
or you know, for me to share personally, or to
me to get to people that to say, hey, this
is interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I know you're working on Orange ORBES, maybe.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You'll find this one interesting to kind of hopefully keep
some scientific analysis going on out there too.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Uh, the app is relatively new, so you don't have
a lot of compelling data to compare with previous reports.
But could you say if ufour reports are on the
uptick or not?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, you know, I've been doing this for a really
long time. In fact, I've been doing data and reports
on siting reports for a really long time, and I
think we're pretty far from being able to really be
able to calculate that sort of thing because we haven't
had a standard, consistent reporting center. Hopefully, you know, it'd
(08:18):
be great if our app becomes that, but certainly the
government isn't doing that. AEROW still isn't taking public reports
for better or worse. But I think it should be
someone probably independent of the government, I guess anyway, But
I don't think we have enough data to say that.
You know, let's take Davenport for instance. His siting reports
(08:41):
show a lot of sidings in Washington because that's where
he was based, So there's more awareness in that that
area in the north, you know, Western United States, So
there's skewed the data is a little skewed that way,
and there's that's an example of how we just haven't
had a robust kind of international system to be able
(09:02):
to watch trends over a long period of time, and
that's something we need.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's the big problem everybody was saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think NASA and a government were right when they
said a lot of the problem with this field is.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
That we just don't have enough data.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Now, of course we don't know what data the government
actually has, but I don't think we're going to find
out what data the government actually has, so then it's
incumbent upon us in the public as citizen scientists or
you know, to croftsources to do it ourselves.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
And that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A couple of things have slowed down from years ago.
Alien of production cases are slower, crop formations and circles
are slower, and burned out spots where they used to
see burned out patches of word like a craft was hovering.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We're not getting any reports like that anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
What do you think is going on, Alejandro?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I think that Lee called does UFO nests if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know, over the years, you do see these trends though,
you do see these waves. So for example, the seventies
and the seventies we had cases like Travis Walton or
Pascagoula fifty right where people but it was this period
of time where these people were saying they were interfacing
with these weird looking creatures. But it was only in
(10:25):
the seventies or a short period of time, and then
that went away and then it morphed.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So we have these waves that happen.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It seems like I think there's a few reasons that
could be if it's a real phenomena, you know, it
could be that whatever was creating that phenomena is not
here anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
You're only here for a certain period of time.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Some people believe that, you know, maybe there's different civilizations
coming in different waves, or you know it Also some people,
the skeptics, would argue that, you know, those events were
actually influenced by the media or by movies, and that's
why we had them only in waves.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So it's hard to say, but you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think that, you know, we do have these waves,
and it is really strange where there'll be times of
abundance and the two you mentioned, crep circles and abductions.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
It seems like those are waves that come and go.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
That you know, you'll have these kind of periods of
time where you'll get a lot more of that and
then it'll kind of subside like it is right now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
How did you get involved in this alehundra?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Was there one case, one story that captured your attention?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Great question. It wasn't necessarily one case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So it's kind of funny story because I really it
was when I was a journalism student I saw that
there were a lot of credible people talking about this topic,
and I was, you know, I've always been interested in
science in space, so I watch all of the specials,
whether they are back then, you know UFOs or you
(12:02):
know what the astronauts were up to. I'm watching all
of these and you know, my friend who got me
into journalism, her boyfriend was really into UFOs and he
started telling me these stories and I thought he was
full of it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I thought he was ridiculous, and I got really frustrated.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But when I looked into it, I was like, you're right,
why aren't these stories being told, whether they're true or not.
If these important people are claiming these incredible things, that's
a news story. So I started writing about it back then,
so that's like what twenty five years ago or something
like that. Luckily, I was in Colorado, which was the
(12:39):
headquarters of Muffan, and eventually, after I read most of
the books I wanted to read that I could get
my hands on, I was like, you know, now it's
time to do some field work and start to talk
to people. And luckily I got to be part of
headquarters and very soon after that I was doing you know,
pr for them and everything else.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So that's how I got involved.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Look Magazine when they wrote the Interrupted Journey, the Barney
and Betty Hill case when I was a kid, that
got me hooked.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I can see why great case.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
One of the best. See, we don't have those, but
we don't have those anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I know we don't, and that's where I'm hoping that
for though. You know, with the app.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
This was a really cool when I talked about earlier
about Texas and there was a SpaceX thing that happened
where people, you know, the spacecraft turned around and it
made this big thing. We got dozens of reports of
that thing over Texas and that got me really excited
because right now I'm in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I spent a lot of time in Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
In fact, I'm looking at a model of the Phoenix
Lights that I created. It's like three feet it's really big.
But if the Phoenix Lights had happened today, with the
proliferation of our app as it is, we would have
a ton of data.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
On that thing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
We would have a bunch of videos from different directions. Actually,
we've already built a triangulation tool to be prepared for.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
An event like this.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And so I'm really excited that should that happen again,
which I think it will. You know, I think that
with our app, we're poised to gather a lot of
data and figure this thing out. So I'm excited that
win a big event. You know, Nick Pope says UFOs
are events led, and I think he's exactly right. You know,
(14:35):
like you said, it's Benning Barty Hill of Phoenix Lights.
It's these events that occur that get everybody excited limics
when it comes to our current kind of fascination with
this this topic. So events will happen. We just got
to be ready for it. And now with our app,
we're ready.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back George Noria Alongo Dala Jndo Rojas. As we
talk about this new app called Enigma from l Enigma Labs,
which gives you vital to UFO information. We'll get more
into that in the moment. Alejandro, you were talking about
NASA and astronauts. Do you get a lot of reports
from them?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We don't, unfortunately, But that is what I was alluding to,
is that, you know, I'd always ask the NASA press people.
I said, okay, if I asked the astronaut about UFOs,
because it's kind of one of my beats, and they
were always very excited. They were like, please do I'm
so curious to what they would say. So they were
always very positive about it, although unfortunately none of them
(00:45):
told me they had their experience. Scott Kelly did say
at one point he saw something and he was freaking
out because he thought, oh my gosh, what is that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
But then he figured out what it was and he
was like, you know, we just have those events sometimes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now, what do you do with the information that goes
into Enigma from the people, How do you analyze it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, so great question.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So currently we crowdsource the analysis, so a big part
of Enigma and you can go to Enigma Labs dot io.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
That's the website if you're on the laptop.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That reminded me because you guys in your advertising remind
people of the website. But what we do is if
you go to Enigma Labs dot io, you'll see there's
comments on all of the sightings and you'll see we've
created this robust community of people who are very good
at kind of analyzing and saying, hey, have.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You thought it is?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
This?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Is it that we've got. Then the witness is typically
interfacing with people saying, well, I did think of it,
but I don't think it's just because of that, or
we figure out what it is. And there have been
and that's kind of exciting in itself. There have been
several things that are novel that people didn't know about
that we've been able to identify. Most for example, SpaceX,
(02:01):
not just the satellites themselves, which can do weird things,
but especially the spacecraft. Even just this week and Texas
we had this where one of the things that SpaceX
spacecraft will do in it it'll turn around and slow
down and it shoots this ginormous kind of halo of
(02:22):
It looks like kind of this spaceship, something out of
Star Wars. And people have gotten these videos and you know,
they don't know what the heck they are. I didn't neither,
but after doing some research, we were able to figure
out what it was and then inform people. So it's
really helpful that way too, because then we all get
to learn together about these things, and even pilots make mistakes.
(02:44):
Pilots were reporting these weird objects that were kind of
going in a circular pattern. They called them racetrack UFOs.
I got ahold of my buddy Ben Hampson, who works
with pilots a lot, and he said, yeah, I've been
getting the too.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
We're researching them.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We eventually figured out that they were space like satellites.
They just looked different from aircraft, and a lot of
pilots were seeing these and thought they were UFOs. They
went on CNN I think even talking about Hey, we're
seeing these weird UFOs. They got embarrassed unfortunately, because they
were like, oh, it turned out to be starlink and
they were like really embarrassed by it. But I don't
(03:24):
think they should be, and I tried to say, nobody
should be. We're all learning together, and that's what's great
about our community is we're learning to analyze these sightings together,
so we're educating each other so we get better and
better videos and we're able to help each other out.
So currently we're crowd analyzing. In the future, we are
working on AI tools to be able to identify. In fact,
(03:47):
we have an AR camera on the app, so you
can open up the camera feature on the app and
there is a tab where it'll show you all of
the planes and astronomical objects and satellites in the sky
right where you're looking, just like all these apps do,
like flight radar and all of these others, but we've
(04:09):
got it all combined and our app. So if you're
seeing something, you can click to this camera and see, oh,
that's that's SpaceX or you know, that's that's some astronomical thing.
But if nothing's there, you know, then you can say, hey,
you know, I use your app. I checked there were
no planes or anything that were supposed to be in
this area where I saw this weird thing. So you know,
(04:29):
we've got these built in tools to help people with
the analysis to get better and.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Better at that and further on.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, we're hoping and we are working on AI
and teaching AI, so it will be able to do
recommendations and it probably won't be too long till we
have this out. It'll say, you know, our AI tool
says this is likely this and you know the witness
can take it or leave it, all.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right, dear friend, Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting
Center started at all years ago with his reporting network
which was based primarily on the phone, and then his website.
You've taken it a step further with Enigma Labs. Congratulations exactly,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And you know, Peter was a big inspiration we used
to and I think we still have a picture of
him up in the office because you're right, you know,
he's one of the giants two shoulders we stand on,
and you know we have been in communication with him
over the time. Interesting enough, speaking of Kevin talking about Madar,
Peter Davin part thinks my Madar is the way to go.
(05:33):
I think he's been on your show a few times
talking about that. But yeah, I agree, and you can
see his sighting in our app.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So all of his reports, historical reports.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
A lot of other organizations we've got in the app,
so people can still see those sightings. But you know,
we've been collecting a lot on our own that are
originally given to us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
How do you vet some of the reports, Alejandro, that
come through the app?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, that's another great question my kind of theory, and
with most of us were only you know, wanting to
weed out hoaxes or people trying to trick us or
being silly or something like that, because at least, you know,
a lot of the data is still valuable. So for instance, drones,
(06:25):
we could have just said, you know, let's not you know,
these are obviously.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Drones, some of these, let's not approve those.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But then the drone thing happened last year, and it's
a good thing that we didn't do that because we
were able to go through our databases buying you know,
in those areas tens of thousands of people who had
reported seeing drones in Jersey, and we were able to
write up some reports and share that information, which was helpful,
and you know a lot of the media shared that.
(06:53):
So you know, it's same with the space X stuff.
We could say, oh, you know, that's that's a satellite.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Let's not put that on the app.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But at the same time, if we don't do that,
we're not educating people on what the satellites look like
and stuff like that. So really hoaxes are the only
thing that we've vet out. Otherwise, you know, we let
people discuss and come to their own conclusions on each
of the sidings and you know, share those socially our
best ones.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And that's what I do every day.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I'm looking at these videos every day to pick out
some of our best ones to share on social media
or you know, for me to share personally, or to
me to get to people that to say, hey, this
is interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I know you're working on Orange ORBES, maybe.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You'll find this one interesting to kind of hopefully keep
some scientific analysis going on out there too.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Uh, the app is relatively new, so you don't have
a lot of compelling data to compare with previous reports.
But could you say if ufour reports are on the
uptick or not?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, you know, I've been doing this for a really
long time. In fact, I've been doing data and reports
on siting reports for a really long time, and I
think we're pretty far from being able to really be
able to calculate that sort of thing because we haven't
had a standard, consistent reporting center. Hopefully, you know, it'd
(08:18):
be great if our app becomes that, but certainly the
government isn't doing that. AEROW still isn't taking public reports
for better or worse. But I think it should be
someone probably independent of the government, I guess anyway, But
I don't think we have enough data to say that.
You know, let's take Davenport for instance. His siting reports
(08:41):
show a lot of sidings in Washington because that's where
he was based, So there's more awareness in that that
area in the north, you know, Western United States, So
there's skewed the data is a little skewed that way,
and there's that's an example of how we just haven't
had a robust kind of international system to be able
(09:02):
to watch trends over a long period of time, and
that's something we need.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's the big problem everybody was saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think NASA and a government were right when they
said a lot of the problem with this field is.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
That we just don't have enough data.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Now, of course we don't know what data the government
actually has, but I don't think we're going to find
out what data the government actually has, so then it's
incumbent upon us in the public as citizen scientists or
you know, to croftsources to do it ourselves.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
And that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A couple of things have slowed down from years ago.
Alien of production cases are slower, crop formations and circles
are slower, and burned out spots where they used to
see burned out patches of word like a craft was hovering.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We're not getting any reports like that anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
What do you think is going on, Alejandro?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I think that Lee called does UFO nests if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know, over the years, you do see these trends though,
you do see these waves. So for example, the seventies
and the seventies we had cases like Travis Walton or
Pascagoula fifty right where people but it was this period
of time where these people were saying they were interfacing
with these weird looking creatures. But it was only in
(10:25):
the seventies or a short period of time, and then
that went away and then it morphed.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So we have these waves that happen.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It seems like I think there's a few reasons that
could be if it's a real phenomena, you know, it
could be that whatever was creating that phenomena is not
here anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
You're only here for a certain period of time.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Some people believe that, you know, maybe there's different civilizations
coming in different waves, or you know it Also some people,
the skeptics, would argue that, you know, those events were
actually influenced by the media or by movies, and that's
why we had them only in waves.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So it's hard to say, but you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think that, you know, we do have these waves,
and it is really strange where there'll be times of
abundance and the two you mentioned, crep circles and abductions.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
It seems like those are waves that come and go.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
That you know, you'll have these kind of periods of
time where you'll get a lot more of that and
then it'll kind of subside like it is right now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
How did you get involved in this alehundra?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Was there one case, one story that captured your attention?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Great question. It wasn't necessarily one case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So it's kind of funny story because I really it
was when I was a journalism student I saw that
there were a lot of credible people talking about this topic,
and I was, you know, I've always been interested in
science in space, so I watch all of the specials,
whether they are back then, you know UFOs or you
(12:02):
know what the astronauts were up to. I'm watching all
of these and you know, my friend who got me
into journalism, her boyfriend was really into UFOs and he
started telling me these stories and I thought he was
full of it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I thought he was ridiculous, and I got really frustrated.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But when I looked into it, I was like, you're right,
why aren't these stories being told, whether they're true or not.
If these important people are claiming these incredible things, that's
a news story. So I started writing about it back then,
so that's like what twenty five years ago or something
like that. Luckily, I was in Colorado, which was the
(12:39):
headquarters of Muffan, and eventually, after I read most of
the books I wanted to read that I could get
my hands on, I was like, you know, now it's
time to do some field work and start to talk
to people. And luckily I got to be part of
headquarters and very soon after that I was doing you know,
pr for them and everything else.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So that's how I got involved.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Look Magazine when they wrote the Interrupted Journey, the Barney
and Betty Hill case when I was a kid, that
got me hooked.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I can see why great case.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
One of the best. See, we don't have those, but
we don't have those anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I know we don't, and that's where I'm hoping that
for though. You know, with the app.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
This was a really cool when I talked about earlier
about Texas and there was a SpaceX thing that happened
where people, you know, the spacecraft turned around and it
made this big thing. We got dozens of reports of
that thing over Texas and that got me really excited
because right now I'm in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I spent a lot of time in Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
In fact, I'm looking at a model of the Phoenix
Lights that I created. It's like three feet it's really big.
But if the Phoenix Lights had happened today, with the
proliferation of our app as it is, we would have
a ton of data.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
On that thing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
We would have a bunch of videos from different directions. Actually,
we've already built a triangulation tool to be prepared for.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
An event like this.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And so I'm really excited that should that happen again,
which I think it will. You know, I think that
with our app, we're poised to gather a lot of
data and figure this thing out. So I'm excited that
win a big event. You know, Nick Pope says UFOs
are events led, and I think he's exactly right. You know,
(14:35):
like you said, it's Benning Barty Hill of Phoenix Lights.
It's these events that occur that get everybody excited limics
when it comes to our current kind of fascination with
this this topic. So events will happen. We just got
to be ready for it. And now with our app,
we're ready.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
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