March 23, 2026 • 17 mins
Guest Host George Knapp and UFO Researcher Dean Alioto discuss Dean's upcoming documentary The Experiencers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Dan Alioto, you know, you were mentioning the prospect of
ontological shock, and I suppose you know there's a degree
of that. It's a possibility for some people around the world,
depending on what it is that is made public, what
kind of disclosure, if there ever is such a thing
as official disclosure. Let's talk about that for a moment.
And the possibility is of an ontological shock, I guess it
(00:26):
depends on what is disclosed, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I mean the point that I was making before the
break was that I think that there would be a
line of people from here to at least Kansas of
people who would volunteer to be able to commune with
these beings and even do experiments. I mean, there's college
students who paid similar tuition by doing tests on them
(00:52):
and getting paid, and so I don't know that this
would need to happen. I think I think there's a
certain larger percentage of people who would actually volunteer to
have that experience.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But separate from that, Yeah, the public, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Across the world, not just in the United States, is
grossly underestimated. People have a way of taking in new
knowledge absorbing it. Yeah, of course they would be chaos.
But again, like you said, what is full disclosure, because
right now we're only talking about nuts and bolts. You know,
these hearings are terrific, right we're going in there, and
(01:35):
unfortunately we seem to be fixated with only military testimony
and evidence.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
That's a small portion.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Of the evidence that has been coming in and everyone
else seemed to take a backseat to that. And the
thing that is the big question that no one asks,
not once have they really drilled down on this, which
is why are they coming here? They look at it
like is it a threat? Blah blah, But no one says,
why are they coming here? And are they coming here?
(02:06):
What have they been doing here? Well, maybe the experiencers
it's time for them to have to see at the table.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I agree with you. I mean, I think it's
the heart of the whole topic, is that relationship between
them and us, wherever they're from, whatever their agenda is.
I mean, they clearly have technology to wipe us out
if that was their aim, their intentions seem different. They
haven't wiped us out. There have been some intrusions that
are certainly unsettling. I sympathize, like with Congress, for example,
(02:34):
why there haven't been hearings from experiencers. You know, it's
a struggle enough for credibility wise, and I think they,
like a lot of journalists, including myself, have focused on
is there a paper trail? Is there a paper trail
you can follow to government programs to indicate that there's
a cover up and if so, what they're covering up? Crashes, intrusions,
(02:59):
controlling nuke things of that sort. I sympathize with Congress
in looking at that because I mean a lot of
the experiences from experiencers, the people you deal with are harder,
much harder to nail down. And if you only get
one shot at a hearing, or they've had a couple
of them now, I don't know if they're going to
be more, but if you only have one shot at that,
you want to try to come away with the most
(03:20):
provable parts of the story. But I agree with you.
I think the things that have been shared with you,
that you share with us in your film is the
heart of this interaction and deserves a fair shake and
more attention.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, it's interesting because you are kind of patient zero
in a lot of ways, you know you and the
work with Bob Blazar by the way, big shot out
to Luigi Venelli, who's got S four coming out, which
is going to blow next level, gonna blow things off
(03:55):
the roof. And then you were also the one who
got the story originally that took place in December of
twenty seventeen, and that's when the editorializing started. They didn't
get into what was going on at Skinwalk a ranch.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And I get that. You don't want to feed someone
for the first time a mouthful of this information. You
want to sip it.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You need to sip it, and they've done that, and
so I sympathize with them as well, because how do
you say to the public.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, so we've.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Had incursions, we can't really control those, but so far,
no one has been reported being blested out of the sky.
And as far as technology goes and US co opting
their technology, no one has talked about any bombs off
of these crabs being dropped in the Ukraine, Russia anywhere,
So we don't see that. And it's kind of like
Chekhov's gun if you see it, hear about it in
(04:52):
the first act at the beginning you're going to use
in the third and that hasn't happened, so I think
for them to say, yes, we can't control this, but
so far, so good. However, there's this other program, separate
from the one that Dan Farrah you know, had in
his great documentary Age of Disclosure, another program, a subprogram
(05:14):
that is everything that you guys would fear.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's that's the tough thing.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I remember Luel Lazando telling me that, you know, years ago,
that when he would do these briefings with the generals,
there would be a portion of them that would say,
you know, you're doing God's work and another portion that
would say you do know their demons?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, So there's still you know, disinformation or or you know,
the pendulum on both sides even in that scenario.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
And so how do we how do we get that
out there?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm I kind of feel like we need to find
a way to meet because here's the thing. When I
asked these experiences and I talk to them, I'm talking
to people that have had interactions with these and as
much as we hear tales and stuff, and it could
absolutely be true of these military people, the program where
(06:10):
they're connecting and talking to these beings. Experiencers are dealing
with it since there were children. You know a lot
of them, they've had this their whole life, and so
these guys are experts on this. So if we really
want to know what's going on, we have to partition
out a certain amount for these guys and their story
(06:30):
and their narrative. And so for me, when I think
about traveling and the technology and going off the planet
and everything, my brain gets scrambled because I'm going, well,
let's start talking with these guys. But we still have
a long ways to go before we're mature enough to
take our kind and go out into the universe. I mean,
I think if there's a galactic federation, I don't think
(06:53):
the bouncer would even let us wait in line.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I think we've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, you know, there times have changed, Attitudes toward this
have changed a lot, But there's there are some examples
from the past that you examine, and include Betty and
Barney Hill. Everyone listening to this program is probably familiar
with at least parts of that that incident, that experience,
but I don't think a lot of them have heard
(07:18):
the recordings, the actual recordings, and you have big chunks
of that in this film. And Betty and Barney, a
courageous couple on many levels, as you document, were terrified.
They were absolutely terrified from these experiences and afterward too, right.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't want this to come out. And
again their experience. They do remember seeing in UFO, they
do remember seeing at landing. That's all they remembered. And
there were little pieces of little flashes of information that
they remember, and then are.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
All came out. They didn't come out to the public.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
There was I believe a neighbor who went ahead and
did that for them, got that out there, and.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
He paid dearly for it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He passed away, he meaning Barney passed away at a
young age. He got to the point where he couldn't
function at his job and he pivoted and became a mailman.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
These people don't want this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Experience, they don't, but they stand by their story and
the people around them that have analyzed them, triple analyze them,
if you will. They passed the test. And so I
just that case to me in nineteen sixty one. That
was the first, That was the beginning, and so everything
kind of branches off there, and so if you're going
(08:40):
to do a movie about the experiencers, you have to
start there. And in it, I call them the first experiencers,
you know, in the public eye. And then that gets
you know, as you see woven in with Travis Walton
and Deborah during a ball and Terry Lovelace. But the
(09:02):
thing that made me make this documentary above all that,
and again each of these I wanted to show things
that you haven't seen and and one of that. One
of those things was, like you said, actually having the
recordings of Barney and Betty Hill under hypnosis. Reliving this
for the first time was to animate this and to
actually see it. And so I do that with all
(09:22):
the cases. But the thing that really knocked me on
my butt was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
These two sisters. These two sisters. Yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's where I went, Okay, I guess I'm committed now
because I can't.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Everything in my life is now stopped.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So these sisters were new to me. I don't know
if anyone has ever talked about it before, if they've
been in a film or interviewed, but they were new
to me. Skyler is the first one we meet, and
she tells you about she and her sister as kids
having the same dream, and then eventually you put them under.
You have Yvonne Smith put them under and bring up
these memories. That was very comp It was a very
(10:00):
compelling way to tell the story.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They well, first of all, how this came to me
was one of the producers, a social producers on the movie,
Craig Jackson. I was almost done with this with it
was going to be an episode of another alien Perspective.
And he called me and said I just heard the
(10:24):
craziest story. And I go, yeah, okay, I've been hearing that,
nothing but that for eight years. And he says, or
at the time, only a year. He said, there's this woman.
She's an artist, she's a musician, and she shared this
dream with her sister and she's like twenty six, twenty
seven years old. And I said, okay, well that doesn't
(10:46):
sound normal, and he goes, yeah, I don't think it is.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I call Levonne.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I go, Yvonne, I just heard this story about these
kids they've had they shared two dreams, and she goes yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I go okay, dang, all right.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I went ahead and I put them under and
so the audience discovers real time what happened. And it's
interesting because one sister is this artsy type and the
other one is a marketing, you know, business type person
and they live on separate sides of the country. And
we had the first one go under the first sister Skyler,
(11:22):
and then the second one. I said, don't tell her anything,
don't tell her your experience at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Can you do that?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And I set that up before why even engage in
doing her first interview? And she says, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
And so none of them knew what was going to
come out, and what came out was shocking, and that
became a way to tell the audience this is still happening,
and this is relevant now, and so I wanted to again.
(11:50):
It took a long time, took years to be able
to figure out the right format structure so that you
could weave in these seminal cases that have all given
us pieces to the puzzle, and then ground it by
having these people and these two sisters.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And that was Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean, there's a whole other behind the scenes of
us just having our jobs drop the whole time as
we're filming this going is your camera working make sure.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
As you say, it's still happening, do you have any
measurement to indicate whether it's happening as much as, say,
twenty years ago, or is it? I guess you know,
the individual subjects can change. They reach a certain age
where it doesn't happen anymore. I don't know what that
age is, but you know they it doesn't happen to
them anymore. But do you have a sense of whether
(12:37):
it's escalating or declining, whatever the experiment is. Have they,
whoever they are, got what they need?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I ask Yvonne Smith that every once in while I
check in with her. I go, how's it going, what's
the latest? And she says, it's not as prevalent. It
seems like it comes.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
In spikes.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And right now it's something that a lot of the
people are still being taken, a lot of the regulars,
if you will.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But it does seem that some.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
People do age out of this, and so I think
it's it's definitely it feels like it's to a lesser degree.
And again I'm just going off of her own sampling.
I'm not going off of any move on sampling, But
it does seem like it's throttled back a bit. And
(13:26):
I think at this point, if it is like, as
an example, a hybrid program, I think that they maybe
they have enough. But you know, it's interesting. I always
compare this phenomenon, this specific part of the phenomenon, to
the Beatles. What I mean by that is you start
out going, oh, Paul is the cute one, and the
cute one is in this instance, it's that they come
(13:49):
from another planet. That's the first thing you think. And
then you have jon Ony, Well it's kind of he's
a little darker. Maybe they're coming from another dimension, you know,
And you go through then and then you settle on
the one that I think that I've settled on, and
we'll call it the Ringo theory, which is that they
may be coming from the future. And having several discussions
with doctor Michael Masters, that seems to ring true because
(14:15):
the chances of another species being bipedal.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Like we are.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And when I asked Michael and the first time I
interviewed him, I said, Okay, your job as a political
isam anthropological biologist at Montana Tech is to reverse engineer
where we came from, so projecting out how far are
we away and would we look like this, and he says, yes,
and it's not that far away, and it could expedite,
(14:40):
that could accelerate.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
And so what I'm looking at that is I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Going, Okay, I think that if that is the case,
then they're going to need sampling because right now we
are not procreating like we used to, whether it's through
microplastics or whatever. But we have people may know, we've
got a huge sterility problem with regards to people being
able to conceive. And so if that's the case, you're
(15:10):
going to have to go back in time and get
a fresh sampling. And so you and I don't exist
without the Neanderthals. I mean, they needed to have a
mix otherwise it becomes kind of like deliverance, if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So yeah, so it's kind of you know, and it
could be all.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The above, by the way, So yeah, it doesn't have
to be just one answer. I also spend some time
with Michael Masters, very impressive guy, level headed. I think
it's a really brilliant idea. Had to put a different
perspective on the table. There's one thing he says in
your film toward the end of it that is alarming
(15:46):
in that he said he thinks that they are some
version of us from the future coming back to get
some genetic samples to make something that makes their future better.
But he said, they're getting genetic material from groups that
never made it into the future that does not harken.
It does not sound like a happy ending for us
(16:07):
in our current incarnation.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, you got that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, that's it's interesting, right because the these abductions that happen,
and even at Airmial School, what are the two things
that they constantly say over and over to us? They say,
you're screwing up your planets and your technology isn't helping you.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Which the technology.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Part is very contradictory because everyone, you know, there's there's
a huge faction of people that go, well, all the
technology we have from fiber optics to you know, velcrow,
you know, might have come from these beings. And so
if they are given as these you know, donating these
crafts and stuff which they don't have to smash, you know,
they can just give us the keys and the.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Visor that would be the technology.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So why would we why would they be given as
technology if they said that your technology isn't helping you.
So I tend to think that the technology they're talking
about might be social media. You know, these beans didn't
show up with this message during the printing press and
press era and say your technology isn't helping you and
be like, what printing off newspapers don't I don't get that.
(17:12):
And so I think the fact that what we're doing
in this planet is coming back, bouncing back and on us.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And so right now.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We've kind of got three lanes of the freeway, and
there's one lane that allows you to switch from lane
to lane.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Dan Alioto, you know, you were mentioning the prospect of
ontological shock, and I suppose you know there's a degree
of that. It's a possibility for some people around the world,
depending on what it is that is made public, what
kind of disclosure, if there ever is such a thing
as official disclosure. Let's talk about that for a moment.
And the possibility is of an ontological shock, I guess it
(00:26):
depends on what is disclosed, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I mean the point that I was making before the
break was that I think that there would be a
line of people from here to at least Kansas of
people who would volunteer to be able to commune with
these beings and even do experiments. I mean, there's college
students who paid similar tuition by doing tests on them
(00:52):
and getting paid, and so I don't know that this
would need to happen. I think I think there's a
certain larger percentage of people who would actually volunteer to
have that experience.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But separate from that, Yeah, the public, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Across the world, not just in the United States, is
grossly underestimated. People have a way of taking in new
knowledge absorbing it. Yeah, of course they would be chaos.
But again, like you said, what is full disclosure, because
right now we're only talking about nuts and bolts. You know,
these hearings are terrific, right we're going in there, and
(01:35):
unfortunately we seem to be fixated with only military testimony
and evidence.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
That's a small portion.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Of the evidence that has been coming in and everyone
else seemed to take a backseat to that. And the
thing that is the big question that no one asks,
not once have they really drilled down on this, which
is why are they coming here? They look at it
like is it a threat? Blah blah, But no one says,
why are they coming here? And are they coming here?
(02:06):
What have they been doing here? Well, maybe the experiencers
it's time for them to have to see at the table.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I agree with you. I mean, I think it's
the heart of the whole topic, is that relationship between
them and us, wherever they're from, whatever their agenda is.
I mean, they clearly have technology to wipe us out
if that was their aim, their intentions seem different. They
haven't wiped us out. There have been some intrusions that
are certainly unsettling. I sympathize, like with Congress, for example,
(02:34):
why there haven't been hearings from experiencers. You know, it's
a struggle enough for credibility wise, and I think they,
like a lot of journalists, including myself, have focused on
is there a paper trail? Is there a paper trail
you can follow to government programs to indicate that there's
a cover up and if so, what they're covering up? Crashes, intrusions,
(02:59):
controlling nuke things of that sort. I sympathize with Congress
in looking at that because I mean a lot of
the experiences from experiencers, the people you deal with are harder,
much harder to nail down. And if you only get
one shot at a hearing, or they've had a couple
of them now, I don't know if they're going to
be more, but if you only have one shot at that,
you want to try to come away with the most
(03:20):
provable parts of the story. But I agree with you.
I think the things that have been shared with you,
that you share with us in your film is the
heart of this interaction and deserves a fair shake and
more attention.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, it's interesting because you are kind of patient zero
in a lot of ways, you know you and the
work with Bob Blazar by the way, big shot out
to Luigi Venelli, who's got S four coming out, which
is going to blow next level, gonna blow things off
(03:55):
the roof. And then you were also the one who
got the story originally that took place in December of
twenty seventeen, and that's when the editorializing started. They didn't
get into what was going on at Skinwalk a ranch.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And I get that. You don't want to feed someone
for the first time a mouthful of this information. You
want to sip it.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You need to sip it, and they've done that, and
so I sympathize with them as well, because how do
you say to the public.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Okay, so we've.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Had incursions, we can't really control those, but so far,
no one has been reported being blested out of the sky.
And as far as technology goes and US co opting
their technology, no one has talked about any bombs off
of these crabs being dropped in the Ukraine, Russia anywhere,
So we don't see that. And it's kind of like
Chekhov's gun if you see it, hear about it in
(04:52):
the first act at the beginning you're going to use
in the third and that hasn't happened, so I think
for them to say, yes, we can't control this, but
so far, so good. However, there's this other program, separate
from the one that Dan Farrah you know, had in
his great documentary Age of Disclosure, another program, a subprogram
(05:14):
that is everything that you guys would fear.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's that's the tough thing.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I remember Luel Lazando telling me that, you know, years ago,
that when he would do these briefings with the generals,
there would be a portion of them that would say,
you know, you're doing God's work and another portion that
would say you do know their demons?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, So there's still you know, disinformation or or you know,
the pendulum on both sides even in that scenario.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
And so how do we how do we get that
out there?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm I kind of feel like we need to find
a way to meet because here's the thing. When I
asked these experiences and I talk to them, I'm talking
to people that have had interactions with these and as
much as we hear tales and stuff, and it could
absolutely be true of these military people, the program where
(06:10):
they're connecting and talking to these beings. Experiencers are dealing
with it since there were children. You know a lot
of them, they've had this their whole life, and so
these guys are experts on this. So if we really
want to know what's going on, we have to partition
out a certain amount for these guys and their story
(06:30):
and their narrative. And so for me, when I think
about traveling and the technology and going off the planet
and everything, my brain gets scrambled because I'm going, well,
let's start talking with these guys. But we still have
a long ways to go before we're mature enough to
take our kind and go out into the universe. I mean,
I think if there's a galactic federation, I don't think
(06:53):
the bouncer would even let us wait in line.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I think we've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, you know, there times have changed, Attitudes toward this
have changed a lot, But there's there are some examples
from the past that you examine, and include Betty and
Barney Hill. Everyone listening to this program is probably familiar
with at least parts of that that incident, that experience,
but I don't think a lot of them have heard
(07:18):
the recordings, the actual recordings, and you have big chunks
of that in this film. And Betty and Barney, a
courageous couple on many levels, as you document, were terrified.
They were absolutely terrified from these experiences and afterward too, right.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't want this to come out. And
again their experience. They do remember seeing in UFO, they
do remember seeing at landing. That's all they remembered. And
there were little pieces of little flashes of information that
they remember, and then are.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
All came out. They didn't come out to the public.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
There was I believe a neighbor who went ahead and
did that for them, got that out there, and.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
He paid dearly for it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He passed away, he meaning Barney passed away at a
young age. He got to the point where he couldn't
function at his job and he pivoted and became a mailman.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
These people don't want this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Experience, they don't, but they stand by their story and
the people around them that have analyzed them, triple analyze them,
if you will. They passed the test. And so I
just that case to me in nineteen sixty one. That
was the first, That was the beginning, and so everything
kind of branches off there, and so if you're going
(08:40):
to do a movie about the experiencers, you have to
start there. And in it, I call them the first experiencers,
you know, in the public eye. And then that gets
you know, as you see woven in with Travis Walton
and Deborah during a ball and Terry Lovelace. But the
(09:02):
thing that made me make this documentary above all that,
and again each of these I wanted to show things
that you haven't seen and and one of that. One
of those things was, like you said, actually having the
recordings of Barney and Betty Hill under hypnosis. Reliving this
for the first time was to animate this and to
actually see it. And so I do that with all
(09:22):
the cases. But the thing that really knocked me on
my butt was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
These two sisters. These two sisters. Yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's where I went, Okay, I guess I'm committed now
because I can't.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Everything in my life is now stopped.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So these sisters were new to me. I don't know
if anyone has ever talked about it before, if they've
been in a film or interviewed, but they were new
to me. Skyler is the first one we meet, and
she tells you about she and her sister as kids
having the same dream, and then eventually you put them under.
You have Yvonne Smith put them under and bring up
these memories. That was very comp It was a very
(10:00):
compelling way to tell the story.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They well, first of all, how this came to me
was one of the producers, a social producers on the movie,
Craig Jackson. I was almost done with this with it
was going to be an episode of another alien Perspective.
And he called me and said I just heard the
(10:24):
craziest story. And I go, yeah, okay, I've been hearing that,
nothing but that for eight years. And he says, or
at the time, only a year. He said, there's this woman.
She's an artist, she's a musician, and she shared this
dream with her sister and she's like twenty six, twenty
seven years old. And I said, okay, well that doesn't
(10:46):
sound normal, and he goes, yeah, I don't think it is.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I call Levonne.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I go, Yvonne, I just heard this story about these
kids they've had they shared two dreams, and she goes yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I go okay, dang, all right.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I went ahead and I put them under and
so the audience discovers real time what happened. And it's
interesting because one sister is this artsy type and the
other one is a marketing, you know, business type person
and they live on separate sides of the country. And
we had the first one go under the first sister Skyler,
(11:22):
and then the second one. I said, don't tell her anything,
don't tell her your experience at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Can you do that?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And I set that up before why even engage in
doing her first interview? And she says, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
And so none of them knew what was going to
come out, and what came out was shocking, and that
became a way to tell the audience this is still happening,
and this is relevant now, and so I wanted to again.
(11:50):
It took a long time, took years to be able
to figure out the right format structure so that you
could weave in these seminal cases that have all given
us pieces to the puzzle, and then ground it by
having these people and these two sisters.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And that was Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean, there's a whole other behind the scenes of
us just having our jobs drop the whole time as
we're filming this going is your camera working make sure.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
As you say, it's still happening, do you have any
measurement to indicate whether it's happening as much as, say,
twenty years ago, or is it? I guess you know,
the individual subjects can change. They reach a certain age
where it doesn't happen anymore. I don't know what that
age is, but you know they it doesn't happen to
them anymore. But do you have a sense of whether
(12:37):
it's escalating or declining, whatever the experiment is. Have they,
whoever they are, got what they need?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I ask Yvonne Smith that every once in while I
check in with her. I go, how's it going, what's
the latest? And she says, it's not as prevalent. It
seems like it comes.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
In spikes.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And right now it's something that a lot of the
people are still being taken, a lot of the regulars,
if you will.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
But it does seem that some.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
People do age out of this, and so I think
it's it's definitely it feels like it's to a lesser degree.
And again I'm just going off of her own sampling.
I'm not going off of any move on sampling, But
it does seem like it's throttled back a bit. And
(13:26):
I think at this point, if it is like, as
an example, a hybrid program, I think that they maybe
they have enough. But you know, it's interesting. I always
compare this phenomenon, this specific part of the phenomenon, to
the Beatles. What I mean by that is you start
out going, oh, Paul is the cute one, and the
cute one is in this instance, it's that they come
(13:49):
from another planet. That's the first thing you think. And
then you have jon Ony, Well it's kind of he's
a little darker. Maybe they're coming from another dimension, you know,
And you go through then and then you settle on
the one that I think that I've settled on, and
we'll call it the Ringo theory, which is that they
may be coming from the future. And having several discussions
with doctor Michael Masters, that seems to ring true because
(14:15):
the chances of another species being bipedal.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Like we are.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And when I asked Michael and the first time I
interviewed him, I said, Okay, your job as a political
isam anthropological biologist at Montana Tech is to reverse engineer
where we came from, so projecting out how far are
we away and would we look like this, and he says, yes,
and it's not that far away, and it could expedite,
(14:40):
that could accelerate.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
And so what I'm looking at that is I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Going, Okay, I think that if that is the case,
then they're going to need sampling because right now we
are not procreating like we used to, whether it's through
microplastics or whatever. But we have people may know, we've
got a huge sterility problem with regards to people being
able to conceive. And so if that's the case, you're
(15:10):
going to have to go back in time and get
a fresh sampling. And so you and I don't exist
without the Neanderthals. I mean, they needed to have a
mix otherwise it becomes kind of like deliverance, if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So yeah, so it's kind of you know, and it
could be all.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The above, by the way, So yeah, it doesn't have
to be just one answer. I also spend some time
with Michael Masters, very impressive guy, level headed. I think
it's a really brilliant idea. Had to put a different
perspective on the table. There's one thing he says in
your film toward the end of it that is alarming
(15:46):
in that he said he thinks that they are some
version of us from the future coming back to get
some genetic samples to make something that makes their future better.
But he said, they're getting genetic material from groups that
never made it into the future that does not harken.
It does not sound like a happy ending for us
(16:07):
in our current incarnation.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, you got that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, that's it's interesting, right because the these abductions that happen,
and even at Airmial School, what are the two things
that they constantly say over and over to us? They say,
you're screwing up your planets and your technology isn't helping you.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Which the technology.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Part is very contradictory because everyone, you know, there's there's
a huge faction of people that go, well, all the
technology we have from fiber optics to you know, velcrow,
you know, might have come from these beings. And so
if they are given as these you know, donating these
crafts and stuff which they don't have to smash, you know,
they can just give us the keys and the.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Visor that would be the technology.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So why would we why would they be given as
technology if they said that your technology isn't helping you.
So I tend to think that the technology they're talking
about might be social media. You know, these beans didn't
show up with this message during the printing press and
press era and say your technology isn't helping you and
be like, what printing off newspapers don't I don't get that.
(17:12):
And so I think the fact that what we're doing
in this planet is coming back, bouncing back and on us.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And so right now.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We've kind of got three lanes of the freeway, and
there's one lane that allows you to switch from lane
to lane.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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