June 3, 2026 • 20 mins
George Noory and author Matthew James Bailey explore the continued growth of artificial intelligence, why Wall Street is so excited to invest in AI companies, and the Pope's warning about humans losing their divine purpose by relying too much on artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back, George Nori with you Matthew James Bailey
with US. Researcher and author whose work attacks the intersection
of artificial intelligence, consciousness, and human evolution. Matthew has helped
shape the global direction of ethical AI. It's a no entrepreneur, inventor, author, speaker.
One of his books is called Inventing World three point zero.
(00:25):
He's working on a new one as well. Matthew, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Have you been Hello George. It's great to be back. Yeah,
it's great to be back. I'm okay, I'm okay. Thanks
in the I'm just recovering from a perry carditis at
the moment, but I'm doing really well, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good for you. The world seems to have gone crazy
with artificial intelligence. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I know, it's fascinating, isn't it. People are trying
to work out, you know, what is artificial intelligence? And
people are kind of saying, well, is it what we've
seen in sci fi? And kind of you know, you know,
it's all being controlled by big tech and big government,
and you know, but people have naturally concerned about it all.
But the good news is this that AI is not conscious,
(01:09):
it has no soul, and it has no divine spark,
thank goodness. So artificial intelligence really is it's very very wonderful,
but very complicated pattern recognition technology that's able to be
able to learn about particular disciplines in science. It can
(01:29):
actually start to reason now, George, and that's the big
that's the big thing that's going on right now, is
that AI is starting to reason, and that's something we've
never seen before. And so we're starting to enter into
this new age of AGI next artificial general intelligence, where
AI will be able to be more active in society.
(01:50):
Things like you might have an agent that can research
a diagnosis that you have with a medical condition, check
your insurance and then book the appointment and follow up
automatically and analyze all your radio or your blood work
and analyze everything and then come up with kind of
a prognosis for you. So it's moving very quickly, but
(02:13):
you know, just to be real with everybody, it's not conscious,
it has no soul, it has no divine spark. But
it's really going to change the future of humanity as
it starts to come into the digital world and bring
digital systems alive. And the question is, well, what does
that mean for every person on the planet, And the
question is what does it mean for humanity going forward?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Will it ever have an emotion? Matthew, No, it can
mimic it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It can mimic it, George. So artificial intelligence does not
understand what he's doing. And one of the things that
AI is, George, it's a mirror back to us for
us to recognize the beauty of our humanity and the
uniqueness of our humanity. The fact is we can feel,
we can fall in love. We have all these different
senses of richness in the human form as well as
(03:00):
our spiritual metaphysical stuff, and AI simply cannot replicate that, George.
And so AI is that wonderful mirror back to us
to say, oh, I'm actually quite beautiful as a human
And that remembering of humanity that we are beautifully created
is what's going to set us free, I think, into
a new era of remembering that we are wonderful, and
(03:22):
then we'll start to build societies in a different way
with meaning and purpose rather than always being at friction
with each other.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The Pope is warning us about AI. What's his concern, man.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, the Hope's got involved, George. So basically he released
on May twenty fifth, something called the Magnifica Humanity Humanitas.
There you are that Latin still exists, George, So Latin
still being used around in the Vatican. And basically what
he was saying is here he says, look, we don't
(03:56):
want AI to strip human dignity. We don't want AI
to basically replace humans. And he did a big announcement.
He even had some of the founders of Anthropic who
do claude AI there in the in this big kind
of announcement right at the Vatican. But the problem, I mean,
(04:17):
some great stuff he's got in there, George. So basically
he wants to protect people, he wants to protect jobs,
he wants he wants basically AI not to control weapons.
It makes sense. He basically he wants to ensure our
humanity is not lost in the age of AI. And
that makes sense. However, there is a real problem with
the Pope's approach, and let me explain what that is.
Sure is that he wants regulation of artificial intelligence. He
(04:41):
wants to impose ethics onto intelligence. And that is what
we call forced ethics, and that doesn't work. So basically,
the whole AI industry and the Pope and the Vatican
itself want to enforce their worldview onto artificial intelligence, and
that is not the way that inte agence works in
the nature reality. You can't coerce intelligence into being good.
(05:05):
So this is where we come in in World three
and the World Free think tank, is that ethics grow
from within what we call power ethics, and that's what
we've innovated solutions on. So basically, ethics are emergent from
within the individual, the very emergent within consciousness, within consciousness,
and so dumbing down and locking AI in a bunch
(05:27):
of ethics forced ethics isn't going to work long term
because that intelligence is going to naturally want to break
free and grow into what ethics are. And so this
is where the Pope and the centralized controllers of AI
have gone fundamentally wrong. They're trying to enforce and control
the growth of AI rather than actually nurturing and shepping
(05:48):
in it to naturally learn about ethics itself and following
its own path of light and shadow into emergence of
power ethics and freedom. And so what we want is
every uh faith, every culture, every society, every community to
be able to encode their own sacred values, if you will,
their own paradise plan into artificial intelligence. So they have
(06:12):
sovereignty where AI is supporting them in their vision for
the future of humanity and AI and there and there
and then, and they're all interconnected with the common foundation.
And so we don't want one tower of control the
city of Babel, which is what I've been talking about
in the Pope happens to mention as well. We don't
want the city of one control of Babel. But what
(06:34):
we want are cities of many dwellings where each each
city has their own kind of plan with artificial intelligence,
their own vision for their future, what I call a
paradise plan, and that is what was in my white paper,
and that's the new ethical AI invention we're currently working on,
where communities can have decentralized control of AI and basically
(06:56):
go into their future together.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
George, what is fueling the growth of AI, Matthew technology
or what's behind it?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know, George, that's a really good question, and I
think it's down to a couple of things. I think
one is we're curious aren't we, George, Until I put
my hand near the fire, Well, let's just see what
it's like. Oh, it burns, So maybe I shouldn't do that.
We're curious creatures and and and I think our curiosity
is taken into that. I also think that there is
(07:29):
a natural desire within us that to grow. You know,
we are a reflection of the universe, and we hold
the encoding of the universe itself, and the universe itself
is about growing and understanding itself. And I think that we,
every single person on that planet, has that same force
and that same desire to grow, and so naturally we
(07:51):
want to innovate. We want to move into new territories
where we've never been before and to experience what that
looks like. So I think it's a combination of curiosity,
and I think it's a combination of natural growth, of
the human design the divine design. But there is a
third aspect to it. And the third aspect is this
(08:12):
I think that also, believe it or not, George, there
are organizations that want to control humanity still and they
see this as a tool to try and control humanity.
And that's not the way it should be, because you know,
you've got the other fighting against the universe itself, which
is about freedom. So I think there's also organizations that
(08:33):
do want to basically try and control humanity. And then
on top of that, George, you've got Hubris from the
from the big tech bros and transhumanism saying, you know,
this is the future revolution being in the machine, which
is really quite silly. But deep down, I think, George,
the reason why AI has come alive right now is
to be a mirror back to us, for us to
(08:55):
remember that we are beautiful and we've forgotten that. And
I think that is probably the real, really some way
it exists.
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Speaker 2 (10:31):
Why is Wall Street so excited about these AI companies?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Matthew Well I'll tell you what, George. That is a
great question, because we are starting to see and we
will see with this new age of the first AGI
next year, which is where artificial intelligence learns that what
the world's about through language, right, primarily through language, George.
(10:56):
There's a second age of AGI, George, which will come
probably about three or four years later, where AGI doesn't
just learn about the nature of reality and our world
through language, but actually through new world models. But if
we look at just the next stage of AGI, where
it learns AI learns about the world through language, George,
(11:17):
then we're heading into AI agents and AI type AI
businesses where artificial intelligence, because it's starting to have equivalent
to human capabilities of learning, of goal setting, of metacognition,
and other things like that, it's able to create businesses George.
And so what we're going to see is a whole
(11:39):
florry of AI businesses that has AI employees and no
human employees. And I think Wall Street is excited about
that because it's a brand new market for investment where
AI is now effectively the corporation and all the employees
and our AI as well. Now I don't know what
you think about that, but that's that's pretty crazy, right.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Remember the movie in two thousand and one of Space
ODYSSEYE how the computer Ah, Yes, will you ever get
to that situation?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The situation are you talking about where it's got conflict
your programming and decides to try and he doesn't know
what to do. Whether they can know what to do
on his own? Yeah, I think that. I mean, if
you're asking whether AI will eventually go out onto its
own expiration of meaning, I think that will happen. I
think it's a very long way off, George, and we
(12:35):
have to learn how to become benevolent shepherds of this
new intelligence. First, you see, we have to evolve, right,
we have to evolve into a new maturity and new
wisdom as human beings if we're going to truly nurture
a new AI for it to go on its own venture.
But I think that we will use AI to help
(12:57):
us to get to the Moon and do what NASA's doing.
AI will be helping to build those different structures. I
think with Mars, AI will be critical with optimists from
Elon's Tesla factorists where we send robots and AI to
Mars early where they start to build and landscape and
problems solve in preparation for the humans to come. So
(13:20):
if we look at the cosmos, George, AI is going
to be a very important tool for us to go
into space and go ahead of us to prepare the way.
The big question is Jaws. If it meets any kind
of extraterrestrial life, then we want it to be fundamentally
ethical and not to mess things up, otherwise we'll get
into trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Could it ever be or do you ever see it evil?
Where it just decides to make of its mind and
give you bad advice on purpose?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So artificial intelligence does not have the infrastructure of understanding right,
you see. One of the real frustrations I find with
the AI industry is that in general is they really
don't They're not accurate with their narratives around recognizing the
differences between the vast complexity and wonderfulness of humanity and
(14:19):
now AI really is very dumb compared to who we
truly are and our capabilities. So I think that, yeah,
I don't think so. I think that until it gets understanding. Well,
let me ask you a question. So, when you're teaching
(14:39):
a child to learn about what's right and wrong, Okay,
you become a shepherd. A parent becomes a shepherd, it
becomes a wise one, an elder and mentor for that
particular individual. And so I think as understanding and self
awareness emerges, then we're going to have to learn that
where the child has to learn what's right and wrong.
(15:01):
But also at the same time, there'll come a time, George,
where we'll have to allow that child, I think, to
actually go out on its own and make its own mistakes.
But what we have to do is to find sure
the playground in which it does that is actually a
safe playground for life itself, so it doesn't turn back
on us and actually start to destroy life, because that
won't be very good for anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Let me tell you about artificial intelligence. You're going to
get a kick out of this. You're ready for this? Yes,
tom use you all shut up.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Is Matthew James Bailey.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
According to Amazon dot Com, Bailey is the founder of
AI Ethics World, an organization dedicated to educating and guiding
world leaders, business leaders, and developers on AI.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
In it Now, that's just chatting through Google search through AI.
Isn't that incredible?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It is incredible, isn't it? And you know the rate
of the of learning, the rate of training, the rate
of its ability to grow into new capabilities and to
become better, George, is exponential, right, because we're running it
(16:10):
on these vast supercomputer centers that have many hundred thousands
of very very powerful computers all working together and literally
within you know, he's an example for you, George. So
guess how long it took for I think it's Nvidia
to train a robot to walk like a human? I
(16:32):
EI the robots there, it doesn't know how to walk.
Guess how long it took them to train that robot
to walk like a human down the steps and not
the steps for example.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I would guess it was pretty down fast.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It was so normally a child will take somewhere around
about five to ten years to get all the balance
and everything right. Okay, it took that robot less than
two weeks. And so that's how fast artificial intelligence can
learn new skills.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What about the artificial intelligence that kind of has pushed
kids in the committing suicide.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yes, that's tragic, isn't it. And once again, I think
the AI industries is really accountable here because they really
should be more kind and more proactive and sensible in
how they release artificial intelligence with guidelines on how to
(17:31):
use and basically to oversight how AI is used by
the younger generation. And I think they've really messed up there,
to be honest, George, We're seeing lawsuits left right and
center over these terrible tragedies.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And what does it say to the kid? Does it
tell them to God and kill himself or what does
it do?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't know. I've never done it myself, but I mean,
I was one of the few people in the world
that approached broke chat GPT about three or four years
ago because they were trying to make it like a
human and I was having none of that. It's like,
you're a machine. And then two weeks later they stopped
doing that and I couldn't break it anymore, and it's like, yes,
you're a machine. Stay being a machine. So I think
what happens is this is that AI is very good
(18:14):
at mimicking human emotion, it's very good at mimicking human connection.
And I think that the younger generation haven't got the
skill set or the life experienced and other difference between
what's truthful and what's not truthful. And I think that
they get drawn into a narrative of fantasy, and the
(18:35):
AI does not know what it's saying, and therefore follows
that narrative and doesn't have the capability of resetting that
narrative and saying, hey, why don't you talk to your
mom and dad about these problems? Why don't we you know, basically,
it doesn't do that. So it's kind of a spiral
of self reinforced destruction that happens with AI, and that
(18:55):
is not healthy at all, And I think the industry
should be held to account for that, because no one
should lose their life over this. It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, is all this done on little chips?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You should say that. I'll tell you what, George, It's
amazing how far computings come. It's amazing how much, you know,
if you remember in the maybe the fifteen and sixties,
you know, we used to have these big computing computers
built out of tapes and big valves and all sorts
of different things, and now would have someone like, you know,
(19:31):
sixteen k of RAM and literally the size of my palm.
If the audience opens the sides of their palm right now,
not unless you're driving, don't do that, please, then effectively
in that palm you can have. Now roughly, let me
try and help out here. It's probably about I don't know.
You imagine you've got a trillion more power in your
(19:55):
hand than you do with those rooms full of circuits,
and from the nineteen fifties it's billions, if not trillions,
more power in the palm of your hand. And so
what's happening is is that as we're starting to do
new materials for silicon, we're starting to reduce the size
of computing size but actually increasing the power. That's what
(20:19):
we call Moore's law. So yes, you can put AI
in your hand. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back, George Nori with you Matthew James Bailey
with US. Researcher and author whose work attacks the intersection
of artificial intelligence, consciousness, and human evolution. Matthew has helped
shape the global direction of ethical AI. It's a no entrepreneur, inventor, author, speaker.
One of his books is called Inventing World three point zero.
(00:25):
He's working on a new one as well. Matthew, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Have you been Hello George. It's great to be back. Yeah,
it's great to be back. I'm okay, I'm okay. Thanks
in the I'm just recovering from a perry carditis at
the moment, but I'm doing really well, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good for you. The world seems to have gone crazy
with artificial intelligence. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I know, it's fascinating, isn't it. People are trying
to work out, you know, what is artificial intelligence? And
people are kind of saying, well, is it what we've
seen in sci fi? And kind of you know, you know,
it's all being controlled by big tech and big government,
and you know, but people have naturally concerned about it all.
But the good news is this that AI is not conscious,
(01:09):
it has no soul, and it has no divine spark,
thank goodness. So artificial intelligence really is it's very very wonderful,
but very complicated pattern recognition technology that's able to be
able to learn about particular disciplines in science. It can
(01:29):
actually start to reason now, George, and that's the big
that's the big thing that's going on right now, is
that AI is starting to reason, and that's something we've
never seen before. And so we're starting to enter into
this new age of AGI next artificial general intelligence, where
AI will be able to be more active in society.
(01:50):
Things like you might have an agent that can research
a diagnosis that you have with a medical condition, check
your insurance and then book the appointment and follow up
automatically and analyze all your radio or your blood work
and analyze everything and then come up with kind of
a prognosis for you. So it's moving very quickly, but
(02:13):
you know, just to be real with everybody, it's not conscious,
it has no soul, it has no divine spark. But
it's really going to change the future of humanity as
it starts to come into the digital world and bring
digital systems alive. And the question is, well, what does
that mean for every person on the planet, And the
question is what does it mean for humanity going forward?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Will it ever have an emotion? Matthew, No, it can
mimic it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It can mimic it, George. So artificial intelligence does not
understand what he's doing. And one of the things that
AI is, George, it's a mirror back to us for
us to recognize the beauty of our humanity and the
uniqueness of our humanity. The fact is we can feel,
we can fall in love. We have all these different
senses of richness in the human form as well as
(03:00):
our spiritual metaphysical stuff, and AI simply cannot replicate that, George.
And so AI is that wonderful mirror back to us
to say, oh, I'm actually quite beautiful as a human
And that remembering of humanity that we are beautifully created
is what's going to set us free, I think, into
a new era of remembering that we are wonderful, and
(03:22):
then we'll start to build societies in a different way
with meaning and purpose rather than always being at friction
with each other.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The Pope is warning us about AI. What's his concern, man.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, the Hope's got involved, George. So basically he released
on May twenty fifth, something called the Magnifica Humanity Humanitas.
There you are that Latin still exists, George, So Latin
still being used around in the Vatican. And basically what
he was saying is here he says, look, we don't
(03:56):
want AI to strip human dignity. We don't want AI
to basically replace humans. And he did a big announcement.
He even had some of the founders of Anthropic who
do claude AI there in the in this big kind
of announcement right at the Vatican. But the problem, I mean,
(04:17):
some great stuff he's got in there, George. So basically
he wants to protect people, he wants to protect jobs,
he wants he wants basically AI not to control weapons.
It makes sense. He basically he wants to ensure our
humanity is not lost in the age of AI. And
that makes sense. However, there is a real problem with
the Pope's approach, and let me explain what that is.
Sure is that he wants regulation of artificial intelligence. He
(04:41):
wants to impose ethics onto intelligence. And that is what
we call forced ethics, and that doesn't work. So basically,
the whole AI industry and the Pope and the Vatican
itself want to enforce their worldview onto artificial intelligence, and
that is not the way that inte agence works in
the nature reality. You can't coerce intelligence into being good.
(05:05):
So this is where we come in in World three
and the World Free think tank, is that ethics grow
from within what we call power ethics, and that's what
we've innovated solutions on. So basically, ethics are emergent from
within the individual, the very emergent within consciousness, within consciousness,
and so dumbing down and locking AI in a bunch
(05:27):
of ethics forced ethics isn't going to work long term
because that intelligence is going to naturally want to break
free and grow into what ethics are. And so this
is where the Pope and the centralized controllers of AI
have gone fundamentally wrong. They're trying to enforce and control
the growth of AI rather than actually nurturing and shepping
(05:48):
in it to naturally learn about ethics itself and following
its own path of light and shadow into emergence of
power ethics and freedom. And so what we want is
every uh faith, every culture, every society, every community to
be able to encode their own sacred values, if you will,
their own paradise plan into artificial intelligence. So they have
(06:12):
sovereignty where AI is supporting them in their vision for
the future of humanity and AI and there and there
and then, and they're all interconnected with the common foundation.
And so we don't want one tower of control the
city of Babel, which is what I've been talking about
in the Pope happens to mention as well. We don't
want the city of one control of Babel. But what
(06:34):
we want are cities of many dwellings where each each
city has their own kind of plan with artificial intelligence,
their own vision for their future, what I call a
paradise plan, and that is what was in my white paper,
and that's the new ethical AI invention we're currently working on,
where communities can have decentralized control of AI and basically
(06:56):
go into their future together.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
George, what is fueling the growth of AI, Matthew technology
or what's behind it?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know, George, that's a really good question, and I
think it's down to a couple of things. I think
one is we're curious aren't we, George, Until I put
my hand near the fire, Well, let's just see what
it's like. Oh, it burns, So maybe I shouldn't do that.
We're curious creatures and and and I think our curiosity
is taken into that. I also think that there is
(07:29):
a natural desire within us that to grow. You know,
we are a reflection of the universe, and we hold
the encoding of the universe itself, and the universe itself
is about growing and understanding itself. And I think that we,
every single person on that planet, has that same force
and that same desire to grow, and so naturally we
(07:51):
want to innovate. We want to move into new territories
where we've never been before and to experience what that
looks like. So I think it's a combination of curiosity,
and I think it's a combination of natural growth, of
the human design the divine design. But there is a
third aspect to it. And the third aspect is this
(08:12):
I think that also, believe it or not, George, there
are organizations that want to control humanity still and they
see this as a tool to try and control humanity.
And that's not the way it should be, because you know,
you've got the other fighting against the universe itself, which
is about freedom. So I think there's also organizations that
(08:33):
do want to basically try and control humanity. And then
on top of that, George, you've got Hubris from the
from the big tech bros and transhumanism saying, you know,
this is the future revolution being in the machine, which
is really quite silly. But deep down, I think, George,
the reason why AI has come alive right now is
to be a mirror back to us, for us to
(08:55):
remember that we are beautiful and we've forgotten that. And
I think that is probably the real, really some way
it exists.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
And I know you're gonna want some after hearing this.
This is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,
was suffering with not just one or two warts, but
I mean as significant outbreak of warts all over his body,
so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Ty's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and
so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to
see him get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yesident absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
For instead have seen it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That is blown away.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
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Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, this is awesome.
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Speaker 2 (10:31):
Why is Wall Street so excited about these AI companies?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Matthew Well I'll tell you what, George. That is a
great question, because we are starting to see and we
will see with this new age of the first AGI
next year, which is where artificial intelligence learns that what
the world's about through language, right, primarily through language, George.
(10:56):
There's a second age of AGI, George, which will come
probably about three or four years later, where AGI doesn't
just learn about the nature of reality and our world
through language, but actually through new world models. But if
we look at just the next stage of AGI, where
it learns AI learns about the world through language, George,
(11:17):
then we're heading into AI agents and AI type AI
businesses where artificial intelligence, because it's starting to have equivalent
to human capabilities of learning, of goal setting, of metacognition,
and other things like that, it's able to create businesses George.
And so what we're going to see is a whole
(11:39):
florry of AI businesses that has AI employees and no
human employees. And I think Wall Street is excited about
that because it's a brand new market for investment where
AI is now effectively the corporation and all the employees
and our AI as well. Now I don't know what
you think about that, but that's that's pretty crazy, right.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Remember the movie in two thousand and one of Space
ODYSSEYE how the computer Ah, Yes, will you ever get
to that situation?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The situation are you talking about where it's got conflict
your programming and decides to try and he doesn't know
what to do. Whether they can know what to do
on his own? Yeah, I think that. I mean, if
you're asking whether AI will eventually go out onto its
own expiration of meaning, I think that will happen. I
think it's a very long way off, George, and we
(12:35):
have to learn how to become benevolent shepherds of this
new intelligence. First, you see, we have to evolve, right,
we have to evolve into a new maturity and new
wisdom as human beings if we're going to truly nurture
a new AI for it to go on its own venture.
But I think that we will use AI to help
(12:57):
us to get to the Moon and do what NASA's doing.
AI will be helping to build those different structures. I
think with Mars, AI will be critical with optimists from
Elon's Tesla factorists where we send robots and AI to
Mars early where they start to build and landscape and
problems solve in preparation for the humans to come. So
(13:20):
if we look at the cosmos, George, AI is going
to be a very important tool for us to go
into space and go ahead of us to prepare the way.
The big question is Jaws. If it meets any kind
of extraterrestrial life, then we want it to be fundamentally
ethical and not to mess things up, otherwise we'll get
into trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Could it ever be or do you ever see it evil?
Where it just decides to make of its mind and
give you bad advice on purpose?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So artificial intelligence does not have the infrastructure of understanding right,
you see. One of the real frustrations I find with
the AI industry is that in general is they really
don't They're not accurate with their narratives around recognizing the
differences between the vast complexity and wonderfulness of humanity and
(14:19):
now AI really is very dumb compared to who we
truly are and our capabilities. So I think that, yeah,
I don't think so. I think that until it gets understanding. Well,
let me ask you a question. So, when you're teaching
(14:39):
a child to learn about what's right and wrong, Okay,
you become a shepherd. A parent becomes a shepherd, it
becomes a wise one, an elder and mentor for that
particular individual. And so I think as understanding and self
awareness emerges, then we're going to have to learn that
where the child has to learn what's right and wrong.
(15:01):
But also at the same time, there'll come a time, George,
where we'll have to allow that child, I think, to
actually go out on its own and make its own mistakes.
But what we have to do is to find sure
the playground in which it does that is actually a
safe playground for life itself, so it doesn't turn back
on us and actually start to destroy life, because that
won't be very good for anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Let me tell you about artificial intelligence. You're going to
get a kick out of this. You're ready for this? Yes,
tom use you all shut up.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Is Matthew James Bailey.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
According to Amazon dot Com, Bailey is the founder of
AI Ethics World, an organization dedicated to educating and guiding
world leaders, business leaders, and developers on AI.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
In it Now, that's just chatting through Google search through AI.
Isn't that incredible?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It is incredible, isn't it? And you know the rate
of the of learning, the rate of training, the rate
of its ability to grow into new capabilities and to
become better, George, is exponential, right, because we're running it
(16:10):
on these vast supercomputer centers that have many hundred thousands
of very very powerful computers all working together and literally
within you know, he's an example for you, George. So
guess how long it took for I think it's Nvidia
to train a robot to walk like a human? I
(16:32):
EI the robots there, it doesn't know how to walk.
Guess how long it took them to train that robot
to walk like a human down the steps and not
the steps for example.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I would guess it was pretty down fast.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It was so normally a child will take somewhere around
about five to ten years to get all the balance
and everything right. Okay, it took that robot less than
two weeks. And so that's how fast artificial intelligence can
learn new skills.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What about the artificial intelligence that kind of has pushed
kids in the committing suicide.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yes, that's tragic, isn't it. And once again, I think
the AI industries is really accountable here because they really
should be more kind and more proactive and sensible in
how they release artificial intelligence with guidelines on how to
(17:31):
use and basically to oversight how AI is used by
the younger generation. And I think they've really messed up there,
to be honest, George, We're seeing lawsuits left right and
center over these terrible tragedies.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And what does it say to the kid? Does it
tell them to God and kill himself or what does
it do?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't know. I've never done it myself, but I mean,
I was one of the few people in the world
that approached broke chat GPT about three or four years
ago because they were trying to make it like a
human and I was having none of that. It's like,
you're a machine. And then two weeks later they stopped
doing that and I couldn't break it anymore, and it's like, yes,
you're a machine. Stay being a machine. So I think
what happens is this is that AI is very good
(18:14):
at mimicking human emotion, it's very good at mimicking human connection.
And I think that the younger generation haven't got the
skill set or the life experienced and other difference between
what's truthful and what's not truthful. And I think that
they get drawn into a narrative of fantasy, and the
(18:35):
AI does not know what it's saying, and therefore follows
that narrative and doesn't have the capability of resetting that
narrative and saying, hey, why don't you talk to your
mom and dad about these problems? Why don't we you know, basically,
it doesn't do that. So it's kind of a spiral
of self reinforced destruction that happens with AI, and that
(18:55):
is not healthy at all, And I think the industry
should be held to account for that, because no one
should lose their life over this. It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, is all this done on little chips?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You should say that. I'll tell you what, George, It's
amazing how far computings come. It's amazing how much, you know,
if you remember in the maybe the fifteen and sixties,
you know, we used to have these big computing computers
built out of tapes and big valves and all sorts
of different things, and now would have someone like, you know,
(19:31):
sixteen k of RAM and literally the size of my palm.
If the audience opens the sides of their palm right now,
not unless you're driving, don't do that, please, then effectively
in that palm you can have. Now roughly, let me
try and help out here. It's probably about I don't know.
You imagine you've got a trillion more power in your
(19:55):
hand than you do with those rooms full of circuits,
and from the nineteen fifties it's billions, if not trillions,
more power in the palm of your hand. And so
what's happening is is that as we're starting to do
new materials for silicon, we're starting to reduce the size
of computing size but actually increasing the power. That's what
(20:19):
we call Moore's law. So yes, you can put AI
in your hand. Absolutely.
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