What Makes Cannonballs Explode?; Is It Necessary To Cowitness A Red Dot Sight?; More ATF Abuses: Gun Talk Radio | 05.26.24 Hour 3

In This Hour: --  How to cannonballs work?  What makes them explode? --  What does it mean to "cowitness" a red dot sight, and is it necessary? --  Congress reviews recent ATF abuses. Tom Gresham's Gun Talk 05.26.24 Hour 3

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Episode Transcript

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The Ruger Sfaar is one of theTrim's three eight modern sporting rifles, available
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at Ruger dot com. Welcome backto gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresha,
and we'll talk about well, allthings that go bang, including today,
for some reason, cannons and cannonballs. We've had questions about that and people

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are offering their thoughts. I justgot an email from Dan. He said,
Hey, some cannonballs used pickrick acidpic riic as the explosive charge.
If it got wet, it couldreact to form lead or ironpickrate. This
is extremely dangerous because when it driedout, the slightest vibration could set it

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off. Not a good idea tocollect old cannon balls. Yeh okay,
information there there you go. Hey, by the way, if you want
to join us, it's eight sixsix Talk Gun or easier still just do
it this way call me at TomTalk Gun. We're absolutely open lines.
If there's a gun you want totalk about, AMO, you're trying to

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find some AMO, you're trying toget into reloading, trying to find something
out there, or maybe you arejust at that very early part of thinking,
maybe I need to carry a gun? How do I go about that?
What's the right gun? What's theprocess? Call me? Look,
there are no dumb answers. Weall started some are. There are dumb

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answers, no dumb questions. Weall started somewhere, And I'll see if
I can help you out. Atleast we can start the conversation going again.
Eight six' six Talk Gun orTom Talk Gun. Heather called in
out of Noveta Online. One.Heather, you've made it on the gun
Talk. Thank you for calling.How can we help you today? Wow?
I feel like I'm talking with acelebrity. I just wanted to give

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a range report, shoot with girlswith a gun, and I'm taken my
husband a gun sight because it's onhis bucket lift and my Smith and Wesson
Easy wasn't gonna work because I needan optic with my bifocals, and so
I had to go gun shopping,and I took my husband with me.

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I went to Rack and Rack atGuns and Ammo in Sparks to try four
different guns that had been recommended.Tried the M and P and that one
was with an RMR Trinsicon site.It was loud, it had moderate recoil.

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It was an okay grip and anokay mag release. I found myself
fishing for the red dot, butthere was no co witness with the iron
sights. The Walter PDFs series hada good grip, moderate recoil, easy
mag release. Now this was afemale series that the Lady gun Owner recommended

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iron sights, but it just didn'tfit me. The Canic FFP with a
four and a half inch barrel hada good meg release, fare grip,
but it had an amazing trigger andvery low recoil. The six hour P
three sixty five Macro good grip,nasty recoil. Hurt my wrist after ten

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shots. I didn't want to touchthe thing again. I ended up with
the Cannick Medi SFT and my husbandput on the Trinsicon site and so I
can co witness with the red dotright above the site and it's really improved
my shooting. Well, that's agreat range report. I want to talk

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to you for a second about cowitnessing your red dot with your iron sights.
Okay, when you tell me whatyou mean when you say co witness.
The red dot is right above thefront sight so I can learn to
use the red dot. Okay,that's a really bad idea. Okay,

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it sounds it sounds like it makesall the sense in the world. I
will line it up with my ironsights. That way I could iron,
I could use my iron sights andhave the red dot there. Right.
Yeah, except that now you're tryingto line up three things. And the
whole idea of going to the reddot is to get rid of trying to
line up two things. And nowyou're saying, but now I want to

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line up three things. My pointon this is it doesn't matter where in
the window the red dot is.It doesn't even matter if you can see
your iron sights. Really, becausewhen you put your gun up and look
at your red dot, if youmove your head around, you can put

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the red dot on the side ofthe window. Is if you can see
the dot there and put it onthe target and press the trigger, the
bullet will still go there. Youcan then put your moving around and put
the dot on the left side,the right side, the up, up
of the top, or down atthe bottom. No matter where you put
the red dot in the window,whether or not you can see the iron

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sights, the bullet will always goto the red dot. That is part
of the advantage of using a reddot sight. You don't have to line
up all that stuff. And whenyou start trying to line up your red
dot with your iron sights, itwill slow you down horrendously. Okay,

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that's good to know. I didn'tknow that. Okay, there are a
lot of people who love fishing forthe irons for the red dot when I
looked at the site. Okay,I'm going to give you the thirty second
shooting lesson here on how to masterthat. Okay, this is gonna this
is gonna work. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore the dying sights, ignore them

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completely with an unloaded gun. It'swhat we're gonna do. We're gonna do
a drill. We're gonna have youcome out in front of just the way
you've been doing, but go outon target and look at the red dot,
because the problem is you're trying tofind the red dot right now when
you're drawing and coming out on target, right right. Okay, we're gonna

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do it backwards. We're gonna notstart from the holster or not start from
bringing the gun up. We're gonnastart with the gun on target with the
red dot on target. Okay,you got both hands out, you got
your hands on your gun. You'reon target, you're looking at the target.
You got the red dot out there. Now just break your elbows and

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bring the gun lower out of yourvision three inches. Just bring it down
slightly and you're looking over the topof it. Now go straight back out.
Now you can see the target.You can see the red dot.
Break it down, break it backup, break it down, back up.
You're just going. It's like youmove the gun three inches back to
you forward, back forward, beforeand long. When you press your gun

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out, it will be lined upcorrectly and you will see the red dot
regardless of seeing the iron sights.You're using the iron sights as a crutch
right now to find the red dot. So you're having to line up the
iron sights and then find the reddot. It's slowing you down. It's

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defeeding the purpose. Get away fromthat. Just work on the red dot,
because honestly, trying to line allthree up. And I don't know
who came up with the cowitness concepton that, but I think maybe we
you are misunderstanding a lot of peoplemisunderstanding what that is. And as a
result, making it harder than itneeds to be. I like that would

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try, all right, try thatdrill going out on target. Start with
it on target, with the reddot on target, and then just break
it down slightly, get it outof you, and then take it right
back up, back and forth towhere you just after a while. Every
time you press out with your gun, you can see the red dot.
When you break it down, youcan't see anything. You break it,
take it right back out, youcan see the red dot. If you

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do that two or three hundred times, you won't worry about the iron sights
anymore. Okay, give it atrouble. Last time it works, Okay,
all right, I'll look forward tohearing back from you. Thank you,
thank you. I appreciate the call. Well there you go. And

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I know everybody that has been teachingco witness thing, I've made them mad
now and they're gonna tell me Idon't understand. Cool. Call me and
tell me what I don't understand aboutthis, and I will be all ears
eight six' six talk gun,that is the call Tom, and tell
him what's wrong and why he doesn'tunderstand number. We'll be right back.

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guess it. Canon day. Hereon gun Talk, we're talking about canons
and cannonballs. Why not David wantsto talk about that online? Three?
Hey, David, talk to meabout cannon balls. Okay, all right,
I can tell you because us learnedit it museums at the battlefields and

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things. The cannon balls, thehollow ones where they put the powder in.
They put a fusing mechanism in there, and however distance they wanted to
shoot, they had a place topunch it. And what lit the fuse
was the powder going off in thecannon. And an interesting story. When

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I was growing up, we hada doorstop that was a mini ball about
five inches in diameter, and itwas fired from a parrot rifle and it
was called a parrot parent rifle becauseit was rifled, and they literally aimed
that thing like a rifle. Wefound out later years that this sucker was

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still alive, oh geez. Andin the back of it where it was
put together, it had a placefor the fuse to go in it,
and I'm not absolutely certain how thatone fused with it. So it was
the one you had for your doorstopwas still live. Yes, it was

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a brand new, unused one.Holy cow, Oh my gosh. Okay,
Well, and I can just seethe timing on that. If you
say, okay, we want thisto go farther before it goes off,
we're going to have a longer timeon if we want to go off shorter.
It's I'm kind of reminded of whenwe used to, you know,
light cherry bombs in three m eighties, and then you want to throw them,

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you don't want to, And everyonce in a while you'd have one
of those fuses to go a littlefaster than the others and it would barely
get out of your hand before itgo off. That would bother me about
having a cannonball go off right there. Well, these things looked like a
clock kind of the dial, andyou punched, and I'm not absolutely certain

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about the timing on it, butI know that's how they timed it.
They would punch that however dish theyknew, I mean, the cannon ears
knew which one to punch. Surefor the mountain distance they wanted, and
the thing burned and then didn't setit off. Very good. Well,
I appreciate that, Thank you,sir. I go and talk to Robert
on five out of Wastilla. Hey, Robert, can you can pick up

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on that and continue that conversation aboutthe timing on canballs. Yes, sir,
I'd seen a book quite a fewyears back, and they were it
was on cannon hearing and they weretalking about the type of fuse that the
gentleman described, and they also hadanother fuse they about the size of a
cigar, and they would cut itto the length for their timing and plug

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the hole where the power went in, and when the cannon went off,
it set laid the fuse. Itsounds like stuff like a wiley coyote thing.
We're going to have a longer orshorter fuse. I'm with you.
I'm kind of afraid of that thingis if the guy that made the fuse
wasn't paying attention that day, itmight go off as soon as it left

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the barrel. Boy, no kid, no kid? All right, Well,
good info. I appreciate that,sir. You take care. Let's
go talk with Lou on two outof Montente. Hey, Louis, you're
on gun Talk. What's up?Well, maybe maybe we will hate Louia.
There he's not okay, let's putit back on hold. We'll come
back to him in a minute.But let's go talk to Ryan out of

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Missouri on four. Hey Ryan,you're on gun Talk. What's on your
mind? Sir? Well Coler onKennibal Deal. I love your show,
anyway, Kennibal Deal. At onetime I get eighteen seventeen or anyway,
they put two kenniballs with a shameand two cannons linked together and for it,

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and it took a lot timing.Wow, no kidding, Well,
it didn't work pretty good. Ithink the US on maritime ships to take
the mast out, well, it'sdifferent. On peddler burn it made it
really hard and a crew that didn'tgo off quite quick enough. Well,

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I mean, I can imagine ifthe cannons to go off at the same
time, the first one sends thatcannon ball out and then it hits the
end of the chain and just swingsback around and hits the people on board
or hits the ship. I mean, there's just all sorts of things that
can go wrong. With that exactly. It didn't last very long. But
another thing to range reports, saythirty five the Browning high Power that spring

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farm we did. I got one. I love it, and my wife
and I we have a bunch ofpistols nineteen eleven's blocks sees anyway, I
love it. Okay. Now onequestion I do have for you, though,
Sure, I've been trying to lookonline. I've ritually acquired and uh

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Smith and lesson six fifty nine,okay, and it's new the two original
magazines there fifteen Sharp magazines restricted.I know this is probabate late eighties nineties
somewhere there. Uh, but I'mjust uh, I mean it's a solid

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piece of stainless steel. I meanexcept down there. I'm sorry. Uh,
the grip sucked, but I meana great I mean, I like
old pistols all that like new pistols. Us. Well, I've been trying
to look up the cylind number onit and I cannot find it. I

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know Smith and Wesson no longer sourcespistol, but wouldn't I'm not clear.
What's your question? Okay? Onthe six sixty nine, Yes, Stephan
Wesson, Yes, public the stillnumber A second a second was made.
So you're trying to find where theserial number is. No, No,

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I know. I can see theSillin number. Sure, okay, but
I cannot like it online or andlook at it. I got, you
know, the Blue Book of Gunsand all that cannot find the Shill number.
Oh, we have another excess.I might look up. Ah.

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Uh. You know what I woulddo is uh, I would jump on
the internet and find the Smith andWestern Collectors Association. Uh. Those folks
know everything about every Smith and Westonever made. Uh. And that's where
I would go with the thing.So that would be my first course of
accent there. I appreciate that.Let's see, let me grab Sean on
three out of Littleton, Colorado.Hey Sean, what's going on? What's

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on your mind? Hey? HeyTom? I just wanted to comment the
ATF director. I watched all thattestimony from Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey and
the group, and that guy clearlyis out of his league. He is
in over his head. He hasno business being in there. He doesn't

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have a I'm frustrated, but well, he's clearly targeting law abiding citizens,
and like you were saying at theopening, he's killing him for no reason.
What did Manowski do? He?Uh, who knows, since we
since we don't have bodycam video,because they turned off their body cameras and

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they covered up the ring camera atMelanowski's house and then kicked in his door.
And then he did what any personwould do. People are kicking in
my door, you know, firstthing the morning, in the dark of
night, I'm going to shoot themfor entering my house. And so they
ended up shooting him in the headand killing him. But yeah, Duddlbock,
the head of ATF at this hearingas you say over his head,

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he said, bureaucrat in a vowedgun banner, loves the idea of more
gun restrictions, hates the idea ofthe Second Amendment, and now he heads
up some of the how do yousay, let's say this best equipped military
or paramilitary units that he can sendout after gun owners to either arrest them

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if it's convenient, or just shootthem if it's not convenient. At least
that's how it appears on the outside. He also doesn't know anything about guns.
They're asking all sorts of questions.He doesn't know anything about guns,
doesn't know to my mind, anythingabout law enforcement. He's just another bureaucrat
in there, but unfortunately he's abureaucrat with the ability to send people out
there to shoot you because you aresupposedly in the business. You don't have

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a piece of paper. Oh I'msorry, you don't have the correct piece
of paper as in an FFL abusiness license. Because you don't have a
business license, We're going to sendin well armed SWAT teams and we will
shoot you in the middle of thenight. That's where we are. And
here's the look. I got itscrewed. I appreciate the call, star,

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but you know, here's the thing. This is not new. They
ATF has been doing this for decades. I mean, I know a guy
who was a friend of the family. ATF staged a raid on his house,
came in with vans, came in, I am not kidnessed a helicopter,

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okay, confiscators guns, had theTV cameras going. I brought in
the TV camera guys. And thenafter a year they still didn't charge them
with anything. And they said,well, your books are actually better than
ours. And they said, butdon't you dare challenge us on this,
And the moment he filed suit againstthem to get his guns back. Then
they pulled his license he was licensed, and then went after him because they

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had screwed up so much, butthey wanted to make an example on TV.
Sounds a little bit like the Wacothing, doesn't it. Oh,
yeah, we're going to bring inthe TV cameras to show him what we
can do here. This is whatthey do. And yes, if if
may do some other things that areworthwhile, but I don't think any of

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it can offset sending in armed troopersto kick in your door and shoot people.
And they do it over and overand over again, and they really
don't care if they're call before Congressbecause Congress isn't going to do anything to
him. If Congress said, Okay, we're going to cut your budget by

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twenty percent this year, that wouldsimply put a stop. But first you're
gonna have to find Congress people whoare more inclined to actually take action rather
than posture on television. Good luckwith that. Back with you here,

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let's pick up Doug online. WhyDoug, thanks for your patience? What's
on your mind? Sir? Hi? Thank you Tom particularly call sure.
I have a lot of spent roundsbrass, and I've been thinking about getting
into reloading. What you thought onthat, Well, let me ask you

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a question. Is all of yourbrass a particular caliber? Is it just
all sorts of a sort of brassprimarily forty caliber? But I do have
some nine Is it brass that youpicked up at a ranger? Is this
your own bras? My own brass? I'm sorry? And there is five

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five six in it as well?Okay, all mos, all right.
The question now becomes, well,okay, you're asking me is it worth
I mean, I guess the questionis is it worth it to reload?
Is that the primary question? Yeah? Yeah, given that you know,
a couple of years ago it washard to get ammunition m much less you

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know, powder and primers, AndI'm thinking for the future, I understand,
Well, I would say this.You get into what's it going to
cost to acquire the equipment? Soit's going to be several hundred dollars to
get your gear to reload, andthen there becomes a time factor of what

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your time worth because you can spendmany many hours reloading and right now now
this may not be true in thefuture, but right now you can buy
nine millimeters in five five six AMMOrelatively inexpensively, you could expect you can
probably save somewhere in the order oftwenty to thirty possibly even as much as

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forty percent on AMMO by reloading.But of course, now that means that
you have to buy. That's puttingaside the purchase price of the gear.
If you end up wanting to doa lot of loading, like you're gonna
load a whole lot of nine,you're probably gonna want a progressive loader,
so you're gonna spend a bit more. You could be into five hundred to
two thousand dollars or a really topin progressive loader, and that'll crank out

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a lot of AMMO. But yousay, okay, well, what if
I just went out and bought threeor four thousand rounds of nine at twenty
two to twenty five cents a round? Would I be better off? For
most people? You probably would Letme just take where I am. Okay,
Personally, I don't load nine millimetersor five five six. I don't

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shoot enough of it to make itworthwhile it. Also, it's relatively expensive.
But what I do load is Iload my own centerfire rifle. Ammo,
like for hunting, or if Iwere going to be doing precision shooting,
I would do that because I wantthe best accuracy I can get.
So there's that. Let me throwone other thought out to you. You

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may be able to just sell thatbrass to a load er handloader who said,
oh, I'll buy that stuff,and all of a sudden that brass
became valuable to you, and thenyou just take that money and go buy
some Ammo. Does that help youat all? It does? It does?
There is one other question I havesure, and I'll make it real

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quick, given in our state ofthe country and the world, is it
wise to consider getting body armor?Wow? Great question. A lot of
people are buying personal body armor,and it becomes kind of like, Okay,
do I wear like the kind thatgoes underneath my shirt so that I'm

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just wearing, you know, protectivebody armor everywhere I go? Or are
we talking about the kind that youslip over your clothes that would even have
like rifle protection plate racks, it'dbe something slipped over. Okay. I
know a lot of people who havethat, who keep it in their truck

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or whatever. If they got intoa situation somewhere they could just slip on
their body armor and do that.I don't have that in my mind.
I find that to be on thelowest percentage of possibility that I just can't
justify it for me. But havingsaid that, I can't see anything in

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the world wrong with getting it.If you think you want it, and
it's interesting, why wouldn't you justgo ahead and do it? Okay,
Okay, great, Thank you somuch for you input. All right,
I appreciate it. You be carefulout there. Yeah, interesting question.
Body armor. You've got the thinkind that just goes under your shirt and

(27:19):
you can wear all the time likedaily wear. That is only good protection
against hand gunammo. It will notstop a rifle round. The hype that
we were talking about here is thekind you slip over that. You see
the tactical units wear that type ofthing. And like I say, I
know a lot of people who keepa body armor like that in their vehicle.

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If they got into a weird situationand figure out whatever your imagination can
come up with, they figure they'llput that on either to fight their way
through it, to get to youknow, if there's a mass shooting for
a school shooting, they're going togo in and try to help. I
don't know. I mean, youfigure out what your scenario is. I'm

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not sure there's any downside other thanthis. Let me throw this quick thought
out before I have to hit mybrake here. There are some states that
are either have or are trying tooutlaw the ownership of body armor. I
cannot quite understand that. I mean, I'm sure they're saying, well,

(28:25):
we had one instance where a badperson wore body armor to go shoot people,
so therefore we're going to make peoplebehave by outlawing body armor. It
makes as much sense as gun controldoes, which is to say, no
sense at all. But I offerthat just so that you are aware.
You need to check where you liveto make sure it's legal for you to

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(30:49):
Gun Control Group gun Band Group isstill posting the lie Listen. They're saying
gun violence is the all apps Numberone cause. Of death for children and
teens in the US. Not carcrashes, not cancer, it's guns.

(31:11):
Well they're now throwing in teens.They used to say it's the number one
cause of death for children. Well, the CDC numbers show that to be
clearly not true. The only wayyou get it to be true is if
you include eighteen and nineteen year oldgang members, adults, gang members shooting

(31:33):
other gang members, not children.It is a lie that gets repeated by
politicians everywhere, including Kamala Harris.No surprise there. It's simply not true.
And if anybody says it, youjust say, look, just check
CDC. If you believe anything fromthe CDC and they keep track of the

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causes of death, their numbers showthat it's not even close to being true
if you're talking about children, ifyou're talking about game members, yeah,
well it could be, but that'salso could be called an occupational hazard.
Let's see here, let's grab byMark and Baton ridge On too. Hey

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Mark, what's on your mind,sir Jim? I just wanted to tell
you I spoke to you about aweek or two ago. I was looking
for some AMMO for a brand thatit looks brand News it's a Winchester ninety
four that was built in nineteen thirtyseven. I think I think that makes
it eighty five years old. I'mtelling you, man, you know that

(32:44):
movie about Bonnie and Clyde and Constanttakes us the one Chester down and right
works the accent. This is thisis it? This doesn't have freaking fingerprints,
no, dig I mean it's meantbut I want I tell you,
but I don't know if I'm goingto tell you where I got it.
But I called Hornity to find outif they still and they said, you're

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not going to believe this, misterChambers, but we are in making getting
ready to make a run for thatAMO in about ten days. Thirty two
Winchester thirty two Winchester Special. Okay, and look tom. It blew my

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mind. So I started thinking ofwho used to stock it and looked like,
you know, any way I calledthis place if I said to everybody
know it midway. But anyway,it was thirty seven dollars a box,
and online I've seen it for anywherefrom seventy nine to one hundred dollars forty.

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But I got they don't let mebuy two boxes. I wanted to
buy two shoe boxes for sure,and but I got it for thirty seven
dollars was a box I love.That was a pretty good deal. That's
not bad. You know what.The other thing you can do is if
you want some more, if theywant sell to you go around to other
places that are online and you canplace orders at various places for that or
get on the back order list.So when the horredy ammo, you've already

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done it, your ahead of me. I've been talking about reloading in that
round. Can you still find brassand you can't. You want to save
your brass on that thirty two.But yes, you can find primers,
empowder in bullets. It's all stillavailable to more spits of the US.

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Again, I don't know without gettingout my reloading manual, I would have
to go look that up to seeif that's something you can do. Carcious
conversions is the thing that you cando as well. But that's very cool.
I appreciate that. And oh yeah, Jim says, well you can.
I always go back to the sameplace to buy some more, just
use a different email address to signin differently. Sounds like Jim may have

(34:59):
done that thing. You never knowLine four gym's with us here. Hey
Jim, you're on gun Talk.What's on your mind? Oh? I'm
an endowed life member of the NRAand I haven't given them a buck since
about nineteen eighty four. So Hestonstepped down and had a rather skating critique

(35:24):
of the NRA. As he didso, they spend way too much money.
Wayne's knocking down was was, well, here's the question, if you
got these reformers coming in, whatwould they have to do to get your
support again? Clean it up atthe top. When they put out their

(35:45):
list of candidates for directors, I'dlike to see one that said, I'll
serve without pay. The directors don'tget paid. They don't have expense accounts.
They may get some expense is takencare of, but the directors don't
get paid. You you may betalking about the executives the hired help up

(36:06):
there, but uh inni, directorsare not paid. Really no. Now,
a lot of them have had sidedeals of vendors and such, and
that's been part of the problem.But in terms of you know, them
actually getting paid to be a director, No, there's there's no pay there.

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I know my magazine is getting centerin center. Boy, I have
noticed that too. I mean,you know why that is. It's like
you know, the the advertisements.It's the same manufacturers, it is.
It's a basically if you figure thathalf of a magazine is ads, so
if the number of pages of adsgoes down, the total number of pages

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goes down. And yes, Americanriflemen, American hunter they're all getting really
thin these days. They used tobe very thick. The advertising have pulled
out for two good reasons. Oneis they don't like what's been going on
at the NA. But number twois the number of members has gone down
so far that the magazines don't representnear the value. If you say,

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I'm used to buying said I'm gonnaspend fifty thousand dollars for an AD,
and I'm going to have my adexposed to five million members. Okay,
cool, I could do that,But now you are fifty thousand dollars for
my ad. But now I'm goingto reach half that number. That means
my rate just doubled in terms ofthe CPM the cost per thousand of how

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many people I'm reaching, and thatbecomes not attractive. So you've got all
of that going on. So theyI mean they're losing money in terms of
members dropping out. They're losing moneybecause the donors are out there. They're
losing money because they're spending tens ofmillions on legal fees. They're losing money
because the building is falling apart.They haven't been able to even afford to

(37:59):
fix the roof. They're losing moneybecause the advertising is down. They're losing
money because, like at the NRAannual meetings last week in Dallas, the
attendance was down. And now they'llput out some bogus numbers about how many
people were there, but the aisleswere almost deserted big parts of the day.
It was a strange feeling to walkthrough there and see so few people

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around there. So I mean,they're losing money every which away. And
I will tell you NRA is literallyteetering on the brink of bankruptcy right now.
I mean, it could happen intwo weeks. It happened in two
months. But unless something changes reallydrastically, I don't know how they survived.

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I mean, and I want themto survive. We need a good,
strong NRA. I just don't knowthe pathway. I mean good luck
to the reformers. All right,give me a call right now if you'd
like to be a part of theafter show, call me a Tom Talk

(39:07):
gun. Okay, I want totell you a story. We're talking about
Memorial Day weekend. Just spent sometime with my good friend Pete Brownell.
He's the CEO of brown Els.He came down in Louisiana and we did
a nice, really long interview withhim, and you'll hear part of that
here soon. And part of thathe was telling me about this expedition he's

(39:29):
put together and funded. Pete's veryinvolved in supporting the military veterans, special
forces particularly. He was talking abouthow special forces members of that community they're
dying at a rate of more thanone a day by suicide. Well,
Pete's leading up an expedition to takea number of them to Africa to climb

(39:52):
Mount Kilimanjaro nineteen three hundred and someodd feet way up there. Petez an
accomplished rock class. I'm a mountaineer, and he's telling me all about it.
They're going to do a national geographicspecial on it and all of that
and his support for these warriors,And I said, you know, some
of those guys, I'll have alot of injuries. Can they make it

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to the summit? He said,I don't know. I said, well,
what are you going to do ifthey can't? And without missing a
beating? This is my good friend, Pete. He says, I'll carry
him. He says, I'm kindof a little fella, he said.
Some of those are pretty big guys. He says, but I'll put them
on my back and I'll take themup. Got me to thinking he didn't

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have to do that. He getsnothing out of it financially. He's spending
a lot of money to do that. He says, I'll put them on
my back and I'll carry him.Why can't we do that each us individually
at some level. I don't knowwhat the level is. Some volunteer effort

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taking veterans fishing, hunting, outdoors. Take it to the range. Contact
your local Veterans support organization, WoundedWarriors group. I'm not a huge fan
of the Wounded Warriors of America group. But find somebody, some group,

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some individual. Ask around one person. I mean, I can't carry somebody
up to the summit of Mount Kelvinjaro. Maybe Pete can do that. I
can do something, We can dosomething. Each of us doesn't make a

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difference. Hell, yes, thatmakes a difference. It makes a difference.
To one person. That makes adifference. It's worthwhile and it makes
a difference not just to them,but to you, to me. Everything
you do in life changes you.You know that everything you expose yourself to
in life changes you in some way. So just thinking about my buddy Pete,

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I'm thinking about what he's doing.It's so impressed and kind of shames
me into thinking, Okay, areyou doing enough? Answers always know,
no matter what it is or whatmore can you do? How do you
start? I don't know. Youjust start. You just say, okay,
I'm going to do something, somelittle thing. I don't care what

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it is. You get a fewof us doing a little thing, it's
something you do a lot a lotof us doing a little thing. It's
an even bigger thing. I don'tknow where it leads. Maybe it just
leads to helping one person who saysI had a better day. Somebody cares.
Somebody's you know out there understands.I don't know what you've been through.
I can't feel that for you.All I can do is say.

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I'll be with you if I can, if I can help in some way,
remember those who gave everything on thisMemorial Day. If you'd like to
join me to talk about this eightsixty six talk Gun call me right now.
In the meantime, go out,spend time with your family, Hug
them, love them, love yourcountry. I'm glad that you've been here,
Glad you've been a part of gunTalk. Thanks so much.