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Looking for deals on AMMO guns gear, Visit gundlio dot com for the latest
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three hours of the regular show onterrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit
more. So that's why you foundthe gun Talk After Show podcast where we
saved all the best things that wecan't say on regular radio. Now here's
Tom, Michelle and Jim for thegun Talk after Show. It's time for
the after show. We didn't haveit last week because Jim was under the
weathers yem, how are you feeling? I'm over the weather now. Actually
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I was in the weather for alittle bit and then yeah, in flying,
we call that being on top ofthe weather. So there you see.
That's how it is. I amon top of the weather. Hi.
Well that's it. Yeah, Okay, let's get to the phones.
Then try one on a few wordsright there. Today, I thought,
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yeah, you know, usually wehave to get two or three minutes into
it before the thing falls apart.Today, right out of the box,
we're just just you know, overachievers. Here we go throwing his hand on
his hip, please over the weather. Visual Lee Joe helped me out here.
Man, I got lead Joe fromBoys. Hey, how you doing
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real good? Real good guys.Uh. I just wanted to comment and
say I appreciate you guys coming onlive on kid OH today. And you
know, I listened to the programon the tape delay on Sundays on a
fairly regular basis, but I don'tget a lot of it, you know,
I don't. I don't remember mostof the time. By Sunday evening,
I'm pretty much wound up and done. But uh, I got a
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listening to your listening to your programand having the up tonity of callin is
going to be great. And whenyou came on with Kevin Miller earlier earlier
this week, as I talked toyou, but especially since the pandemic,
you know, when I realized ourgovernment didn't actually understand what the Second Amendment
was about, and that the uh, the tyranny was real, I thought,
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you know, I better get intothis a little bit better. And
listening to you and and you know, getting on YouTube and following all the
gun tubers and what have you of. Uh, My uh horizons have broadened,
is what I'll say you. AndI appreciate you guys coming on live
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over here, and it's gonna begood. I'm looking forward to calling in
during the regular shows too. Butyou know, I'm I'm just you know,
I'm not a big hunter. Mostof my most of my work time
I spend uh, right about huntingseason is when the asshole goes down and
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you know, you're fighting for thesnow coming and we get our work done
so that doesn't happen for me.And the construction building season is pretty short
around here, isn't it. Yeah, especially for you up there in Cascade.
It's it's much worse down here.Boys, it's a little better,
but I we uh honestly, I'ma foreman for a construction company and everybody
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else has time to take take offand go do stuff. But it's time
to go guess what happened right right? Well, look, thank you for
calling it, and look do mea favor. Let Kevin Miller over at
the K I d O know thatyou appreciate it and that you're glad to
have gun talk on live because it'salways good to say thanks. You know.
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Yeah, Well, I thank you, and I'm looking forward to a
little more education at a time whenI'm more cognizant to what's going around me,
going on around me in the middleof the day, you know,
instead of the old advertisement radio suchas it is, to have an actually
discussion. I love it. Thanksyou. I sure appreciate the call,
appreciate the support. You know,speaking of that, I'm gonna try to
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stay awake for most of the shownext week. I don't know for yourself.
It's such a struggle. So wewant to make sure we don't put
Lee Joe on the no call list, right, We want to keep him.
This is true, It's true.Yeah, we got your back one.
Could you keep me on the nocalling you were Yeah, I didn't
know he knew he was on it. You you you thought we took you
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off? So okay, wonder wereyou never answered? Who tipped him off?
He was ever on? Moron Tom. I think that gives us a
good opportunity to remind our fine listenerseven of this, you know, after
right after show podcast, to makesure to keep calling these station managers and
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letting them know, thank you,we greatly appreciate this show, right,
I mean, I know a lotof people who are listening to this.
Just get the show off of thepodcast and that's fine. We appreciate that.
But at the same time, ifit is aired locally, let the
station know. If it's not airedlocally, there's nothing wrong with contacting the
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local talk format station and saying,hey, there's a show on you guys
might want to look at and justI guess we can tell people. Jim,
you know, the station gets theshow for free. They get gun
Talk for free. They don't haveto pay for them, so we're happy
to help them out in terms of, you know, if they need to
sell advertising or make money with us. I was piggyback off that if you're
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a firearms retailer, call your localstation and advertised gun talk locally more affordable
than nationals, and you get thecoverage of the people that are your customers.
Yeah, we round up your customersand put them all together in one
place on the bus. Yeah,you can bust and drive them out to
your place. Here you goes right. I thought you were just taking a
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really dark turn on me. There, round them up, and you know
it's not ready. It's not thegroup of people you want to try and
round up anyway. That's true.I didn't take that one through. Man.
They don't take conny to that.Yeah. Well, and what Michelle
said about it is Michelle right,first name, basis right. What she
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said about you, it's only beentwenty years or know each other. Yeah,
what she said about calling contact andstation and thanking it for carry it's
kind of like the the analog versionof a five star review and iTunes.
You know, you're you're thankful forthe podcast, and you want to let
people know that you appreciate the workand helps keep us going. And it's
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uh, the old analog method isto make a phone call and say thanks,
because they only hear the opposite.They only hear I was listening to
your home improvement show and you know, blah blah blah. They don't hear
people calling very often say you knowwhat, you guys did it right this
time. Well, and let's carrythat a little further because Jim, you
and I were having a conversation earlierat a break of course, about using
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your actual local gun stores versus beingable to just purchase anything that you want
to purchase online, because you know, gun stores are having a really hard
time. The brick and mortar storesare having a hard time. Because I
get it, you can order itand it can be at your home,
but you know, if it's thesame cost or really close to it,
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give your local shop a chance becauseyou're going to need them one day and
Amazon is not going to be ableto help you. Not only that,
but it's going to get harder andharder to buy things online. YouTube just
instituted a new set of rules toshut down gun tubers and all sorts of
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things you know you can't do.They said they will not allow you to
have a video on YouTube that showshow to do a gun built, I
mean just taking an an ar bill, also how to make ammunition as in
reloading. They're going to take allthose off. I mean, YouTube is
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the enemy. All the online stuffis going to be difficult. But your
local gun store are your friends andyour supporters. And you know, let's
just run through a couple of financialthings. People say, well, you
don't save money, Well do youreally? When you buy a bunch of
ammo and they got to ship itto you, you know, and you're
going to pay taxes either way.These days, you're paying the taxes no
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matter what right, and the shippingand the hazmat fees add up fast.
On those things. I found someprimers to this point this week popped up.
I was warning one of those contactme if you get these primers in.
I'm looking for Winchester large rifle primers. Can't find them anywhere. And
it came in says, we havethem. Okay, great, Well it
was like one hundred and sixteen dollarsfor one thousand primers, so right off
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the bat, we're starting high.And then I said, and we're going
to add tax okay, and we'regonna add has met, and we're gonna
add shipping. And by the timeI was done, it was one hundred
and sixty five dollars for one thousandprime Make one of them count. Huh,
I'm not doing it. I justsaid, I am. I'm tapping
out. But you know what,I'll guarantee you there. You know,
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if you go into a local store, you're not gonna have to pay that
for primers rights and well, butthe local store didn't him still going in
prepaying and order then, right,and you might wait a while, you
know, but you're gonna be waitinga while anyways, you've waited, Well,
what are we four years post pandemic? I mean, you know it's
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been a problem already, So what'snew? Yeah, exactly, you know.
And the other part of is,like the guy who called the show
today, can you imagine that he'sbeen looking for this gun for forty five
years? Right, he sees ita gun show. What amazed me is
he said he walked away for twoand a half minutes. I would hesitate.
I would I mean, I wouldbe like camping at that place.
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Once ahead at my hands, I'msaying, you're never getting this gun back.
I'm not even putting it back onthe tape. Don't mind that.
What's so funny? He's like,Okay, but I heard Tom in my
head. You're going to be sorry. I do that to people. People
say, you know, I wasnot shooting. All I heard was your
voice going amazing. Well it comesto local gun stores after break. I
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have an interesting story and it notnot necessarily a good story, but one
I think needs some coverage, andwe can maybe chat about that briefly.
And shall you know, we're alsogoing to revisit the interview with Pete Brown.
Now when you come back, mhm, I know We'll be right
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from Now I'm leaving. Okay,cool, all right, and I guess
we're back now officially we're back.We're not really youial, which is the
kind of the same as going swimmingly, but not exactly. So there's all
of that. Okay, all right, Jim, you start off with your
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story and then we'll end up withmine. Well, it's about a local
gun store. And I really don'twant to call Michelle out, but it
was at her gun store. Notmissing in names, but no, I
mean I've been a customer for whatthirty years? Maybe yeah, maybe I
got tossed out asked not to comeback. Well, the stores in this
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area that is just like here onthe do not shop list. I brought
in a gun. Michelle was offthe day I brought in a gun and
they ended up calling her in tohave her escorting. Do you know this
guy? Yeah, but I knowher? Yeah, and I just said,
hey, you give gunsmithing in house, because I know you're gunsmith.
So is he Inen today said he'sat lunch, he'll be back shortly.
What can we help you with?I said, well, I would like
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to get this gun blued. Anduh kind of gave me a weird look
and he said, well, maybeyou should just just wait for Chad.
And I said, well, I'mkind of gonna hurry. I mean,
can you write the gun? Andhe said, I don't even want to
write it up. So then Ipulled the Michelle cart. Hey, I'm
friends with Michelle, we worked together, blah blah blah, and he said,
hang on a second. So hemade a call and it was like
fifteen minutes. I'm waiting, waitand wait, and finally Michelle walks through
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the door. She says, canyou brief me on what's going on?
And he's the counterperson trouble maker gavethe story and uh, she just shook
her head and she said, Jim, I think it's best you'll leave and
I'll let I'll let her take fromthere because I'm still upset about it.
Yeah, well I should have justbrought a blue charpie with him with me
today to give to him because honestly, what he wanted to have every blued
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Jim polymer, Well it was ablock. I just wanted it blued.
Call for the wagon, right,blue hot, let's do a hot blue
job on a polymer gun. Youknow maybe one of the king size charpies
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would have done that. I don'twant, no, no, I want,
I want. I'm thinking some spraycryal on in bright blue. There
you go. I blewed your gunfor you, dude. All those listeners
who think this is just for theshow, Oh no it's not. He
really did. He's an idiot.Okay, now one of the guys looking
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at you like, okay, theyput me on. All right, So
that was that was a totally madeup story. But it became we were
talking on break I actually it wasa break really about blueing guns, and
she said you can read blue guns. And I wasn't aware. I thought
you could touch them up, butyou actually reblew them. There's a lot
involved. I didn't realize that.I said, O, man, you
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gotta take them apart. Oh yeah, some people use a buffing wheel and
you should use a file and blahblah blah. It's a lot of a
lot of handwork, a lot ofhandwork. The good people who really know
how to do it are masters atbuffing a gun. And there's nothing I
know of that can ruin a gunfaster than a clown with a buffing wheel.
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Your car, it was the samefor a car, Yes, not
the truth. YEA puts some poweron that thing and lean into it.
You cannot do that. Beware ofyour auto spas that you go to,
because they can mess something up ina hurry. So you're saying, if
you see a guy pause in yourcar and you see smoke coming off your
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hood, that's probably not good.Well yeah, okay, so yeah,
people who are really really good,Oh at the sun I wanted a flame
job. That didn't mean yeah,no kidding. But there are almost always
guys who did the bumming at thegun makers. They always had arms that
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looked like Popeye. Oh I bet, I mean holy cow. Yeah.
But for somebody who doesn't really understandit is a lot of hand and armwork,
Like you're like, oh, whatdo you mean it's going to be
three hundred dollars if you see whatgoes into it. Eight Yeah, and
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that's probably an easy job and whydo you think the highly blued smith and
Western revolvers and the cult pythons areso darned right their classics. And that's
for a reason. What's the historyof bluing, Tom Well? Bluing is
really a rust process, and wetalk about the poshing and the bluing.
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Those are two different things. Butto get a really good finish on the
bluing is and it's a I can'tremember what the chemicals are in the bluing
salts. It's a salt process.You've got to have a mirror like finish
on the metal first, and that'swhere the polishing comes in. But you
got to do the posting in sucha way that you don't burn up or
like ruin the edges, you know. So it requires finesse and also real
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physical strength to hold that steel againstthe buffing wheel and get all that done.
So it's it is quite a job. It's worth every penny, and
people that are good at it aremasters, and the ones that are not
are the shade tree mechanics. Youdon't really want to be going to right
now. It's basically it came outfor rustproofing and the process happens to turn
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it rus wasn't a cosmetic thing atall. Yeah, it basically it's pre
rusting, if you will. Andthen it came up with parkerizing, which
was kind of the same thing,but ugly and cheap and fast, right
like sand blasting, and yes,the opposite of a nice, fine blue
job. All right, No,don't worry about going in there with the
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buffing and the filing. Just goahead, and well, parkerzoning was basically
for guns that were going into aWorld War One trench. Anyway, why
I worry about it, right right, right? Okay, I want to
switch here, Yeah, sure,I want to switch all right, Michelle,
I want to bounce it off ofyou, because I knew that that
had to ring with you. Yeah, but I mean things you didn't know
about Pete Brown now and my friendright right. Yeah, that was a
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great interview, and sorry it wasemotional at the time because and especially the
way it was just ended. Youknow, if they can't get there,
he'll carry them. Well, andanybody who understands the military, everybody that's
in there right now, or atleast eighty percent of them, I'm going
to say probably you know, they'reall there for the reason that they want
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to be there for They volunteered forthis job. And I don't think we
give our military, or let's justbroaden that, our police or fire or
ems. I don't think we giveany of those people enough credit for being
the one that's going to run towardthe problem and try to make it better.
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And they're trying to make it betterfor everyone, and as a result,
it sometimes doesn't ends up good forthem. Well, you know,
and I hope that if somebody's listeningto this and hasn't heard that that was
in the second hour, gym yeessecond hour, go back and listen to
the interview with Pete brown Al.He's the CEO of Brown Els, the
great company in Iowa. And youknow, like I said, for me,
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their company has always been about theculture of helping of good people.
You call there, you talk topeople there, but most people don't know
the other side of Pete and thethings he does. And I mean he
was a kidding when I said,you know, you said, well,
what if they can't get to thetop, He said, well, we'll
carry him. And I said,you know, are you seriously legitimate?
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I mean that literal just yes,we will carry them to the summit of
the mountain. That's what we're goingto have to do. If that's what
we have to do, we'll carryhim. So and also I can I
can just reveal a little bit.Pete has been a mover and a shaker
behind the scenes of much of whathas happened within our successes in the courtrooms
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over the last few years, mostlyanonymous, entirely anonymous. Yeah, and
you know, I'm not going togo into any other detail than that,
but he's been very involved in that, and at some point he will come
back out of the shadows because Ithink Pete got burned with his experience with
the NRA. Yeah, he reallygot hosed over there, but he never
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gave up on the that amendment orthe cause. He just chose a different
way to do that. Of coursehe saw Sorry, no, I was
gonna say, it's the same typeof thing. Go home, rethink.
Okay, I've got to come upwith a different plan because it is literally
in his blood and it is hisfamily, it is their identity, that's
who they are. It is.And of course you understand, my dad
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was real good friends with his grandfatherBob, and I got a weird story
for you. This is a itreally doesn't apply to anything other than just
a brown el story. Some yearsago, my wife and I were on
a trip out west. We're flyingher plane, and I said, well,
let's go to land in Taos,New Mexico, and we could overnight
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there because that was where it happenedto be landed in. The airport in
Taos, in Mexico is in themiddle of nowhere, out out of town.
It's on a high desert and it'sisolated. And we landed there.
It was kind of at dusk,and I'm actually around. I'm looking in
the the fbo, which is thebusiness there where you go. It's closed,
and I'm going, huh, there'sthere's not a phone. This was
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pre cell phone. There's nothing there. I'm thinking, well, I don't
know what we're gonna do, becauseI mean, we have to get back
into the plane and fly down toPhoenix or something, or safe or someplace.
I don't know what we're gonna dohere. And I see a car
driving up up to the airport anda guy gets out and he walks over
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to the fence. You always gotthe fence there right at the airport.
And I walk over there and I'mand said, you know, say,
do you know if there's a phonehere or something. He says, no,
I just drove up here. Stand. I mean, it's like got
the wind and the tunnel weeds andwe're out in the middle of nowhere.
And look, I said, Frank. He says, it's Frank round now
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in the middle of nowhere. Itwas just the strangest thing, Missus Pete's
dad Frank. And so we gota ride with Frank from here for you
couldn't even get fuel or anything.Now, it was just actually we're just
there. So anyway, it wasone of those surreal deals, like almost
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a movie scene. It's just likenobody else is out there. I starty
told Pat. I said, yeah, we may have to get back in
the plane and go fly down toSanta Fe or someplace. So that was
just one of those little things thathappens occasionally. So but no, Pete
is the part of the interview thatyou didn't here, and we're going to
have the full interview, and wedid it on video and he talks about
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some of the background. But theyhave a rule in their family. You
can't work in the business until youhave gone out into the world and worked
in the world for a number ofyears and learn, as he says,
lose money on somebody else's nickel,and learn what working is, learn what
leadership is. And he worked inconstruction, and he was gone for quite
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a while, not working in BrownEls before he came back. But I
think that's his he said. Hesays. Look, he says, the
people you come back and you're workingwith them, or you are their leader
at Brown Els, he says,you know, you come back as the
son of the boss or as theysay, the so ob. Well,
sometimes people just expect an inheritance andthey don't have to work for it.
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Right, Clearly that's not the casein that family. They don't have business
values. Yeah, yeah, yes, So you know it's one of the
reasons I know, I have saidthis a number of times and talk about
Brown Els, and maybe this helpsexplain to people why I feel the way
I do about that company. Iam always happy to buy things from Brown
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Else. It's just one of thoseweird deals that you always get a good
experience out of it. Well,and what compounded that interview was we had
gotten a call from somebody just listeningJeff, and he wanted to expand and
give additional gifts and wanting to getin touch with Pete and it's just I
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don't know, you know, it'sjust renewing your faith in humanity sometimes that
there's just really good people out therethat care a lot about the struggles that
others are going through and mental healthand the loss, the amount of loss
daily that our soldiers experiences. It'sa tragedy in the it's like twenty two
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or twenty three a day for generalservices, but operators numbers are way higher
percentage wise, and it's not justour military. But that's the conversation today,
and yeah, we just need tothrow our support out there. You
know, call anybody you're in astruggle, how are you doing? And
really mean at heart, ask realquestions, not aske or no question.
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Are you doing? What's going onwith you? Yes? I haven't heard
from you? What are you doing? How you do it? What's what's
happening now? I mean, weneed we have lost the connection and it's
been you know, I guess terribleover the last four years in my opinion,
that we have lost that personal connection. And if it's military or paramedics
or police, none of them arein it for the money because there isn't
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it right, They're there for theright reasons. Really, yeah, they
really are. Yes, Yeah,there you go. All right, well
I'm not going you know, andMichelle, when we get to the and
you see the video, Yeah,it's the powerful stuff. It's good,
good stuff. Well I thought itwas a race to I'm not going to
cry. You cry like I'll justcry for you. That's pretty much.
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Yet. Actually you're in the videoduring the interview, is that right there?
I bet? Yeah, definitely.It was like you flip the switch
on Pete. What happens? Likeyou just stop and couldn't talk. Just
think, think about it. Guy, it's powerful stuff. Ye bay.
We'll catch you next time for thegun talk after show. MHM.
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three hours of the regular show onterrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit
more. So that's why you foundthe gun Talk After Show podcast where we
saved all the best things that wecan't say on regular radio. Now here's
Tom, Michelle and Jim for thegun Talk after Show. It's time for
the after show. We didn't haveit last week because Jim was under the
weathers yem, how are you feeling? I'm over the weather now. Actually
(00:48):
I was in the weather for alittle bit and then yeah, in flying,
we call that being on top ofthe weather. So there you see.
That's how it is. I amon top of the weather. Hi.
Well that's it. Yeah, Okay, let's get to the phones.
Then try one on a few wordsright there. Today, I thought,
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yeah, you know, usually wehave to get two or three minutes into
it before the thing falls apart.Today, right out of the box,
we're just just you know, overachievers. Here we go throwing his hand on
his hip, please over the weather. Visual Lee Joe helped me out here.
Man, I got lead Joe fromBoys. Hey, how you doing
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real good? Real good guys.Uh. I just wanted to comment and
say I appreciate you guys coming onlive on kid OH today. And you
know, I listened to the programon the tape delay on Sundays on a
fairly regular basis, but I don'tget a lot of it, you know,
I don't. I don't remember mostof the time. By Sunday evening,
I'm pretty much wound up and done. But uh, I got a
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listening to your listening to your programand having the up tonity of callin is
going to be great. And whenyou came on with Kevin Miller earlier earlier
this week, as I talked toyou, but especially since the pandemic,
you know, when I realized ourgovernment didn't actually understand what the Second Amendment
was about, and that the uh, the tyranny was real, I thought,
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you know, I better get intothis a little bit better. And
listening to you and and you know, getting on YouTube and following all the
gun tubers and what have you of. Uh, My uh horizons have broadened,
is what I'll say you. AndI appreciate you guys coming on live
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over here, and it's gonna begood. I'm looking forward to calling in
during the regular shows too. Butyou know, I'm I'm just you know,
I'm not a big hunter. Mostof my most of my work time
I spend uh, right about huntingseason is when the asshole goes down and
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you know, you're fighting for thesnow coming and we get our work done
so that doesn't happen for me.And the construction building season is pretty short
around here, isn't it. Yeah, especially for you up there in Cascade.
It's it's much worse down here.Boys, it's a little better,
but I we uh honestly, I'ma foreman for a construction company and everybody
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else has time to take take offand go do stuff. But it's time
to go guess what happened right right? Well, look, thank you for
calling it, and look do mea favor. Let Kevin Miller over at
the K I d O know thatyou appreciate it and that you're glad to
have gun talk on live because it'salways good to say thanks. You know.
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Yeah, Well, I thank you, and I'm looking forward to a
little more education at a time whenI'm more cognizant to what's going around me,
going on around me in the middleof the day, you know,
instead of the old advertisement radio suchas it is, to have an actually
discussion. I love it. Thanksyou. I sure appreciate the call,
appreciate the support. You know,speaking of that, I'm gonna try to
(04:10):
stay awake for most of the shownext week. I don't know for yourself.
It's such a struggle. So wewant to make sure we don't put
Lee Joe on the no call list, right, We want to keep him.
This is true, It's true.Yeah, we got your back one.
Could you keep me on the nocalling you were Yeah, I didn't
know he knew he was on it. You you you thought we took you
(04:36):
off? So okay, wonder wereyou never answered? Who tipped him off?
He was ever on? Moron Tom. I think that gives us a
good opportunity to remind our fine listenerseven of this, you know, after
right after show podcast, to makesure to keep calling these station managers and
(05:00):
letting them know, thank you,we greatly appreciate this show, right,
I mean, I know a lotof people who are listening to this.
Just get the show off of thepodcast and that's fine. We appreciate that.
But at the same time, ifit is aired locally, let the
station know. If it's not airedlocally, there's nothing wrong with contacting the
(05:20):
local talk format station and saying,hey, there's a show on you guys
might want to look at and justI guess we can tell people. Jim,
you know, the station gets theshow for free. They get gun
Talk for free. They don't haveto pay for them, so we're happy
to help them out in terms of, you know, if they need to
sell advertising or make money with us. I was piggyback off that if you're
(05:41):
a firearms retailer, call your localstation and advertised gun talk locally more affordable
than nationals, and you get thecoverage of the people that are your customers.
Yeah, we round up your customersand put them all together in one
place on the bus. Yeah,you can bust and drive them out to
your place. Here you goes right. I thought you were just taking a
(06:02):
really dark turn on me. There, round them up, and you know
it's not ready. It's not thegroup of people you want to try and
round up anyway. That's true.I didn't take that one through. Man.
They don't take conny to that.Yeah. Well, and what Michelle
said about it is Michelle right,first name, basis right. What she
(06:23):
said about you, it's only beentwenty years or know each other. Yeah,
what she said about calling contact andstation and thanking it for carry it's
kind of like the the analog versionof a five star review and iTunes.
You know, you're you're thankful forthe podcast, and you want to let
people know that you appreciate the workand helps keep us going. And it's
(06:44):
uh, the old analog method isto make a phone call and say thanks,
because they only hear the opposite.They only hear I was listening to
your home improvement show and you know, blah blah blah. They don't hear
people calling very often say you knowwhat, you guys did it right this
time. Well, and let's carrythat a little further because Jim, you
and I were having a conversation earlierat a break of course, about using
(07:06):
your actual local gun stores versus beingable to just purchase anything that you want
to purchase online, because you know, gun stores are having a really hard
time. The brick and mortar storesare having a hard time. Because I
get it, you can order itand it can be at your home,
but you know, if it's thesame cost or really close to it,
(07:26):
give your local shop a chance becauseyou're going to need them one day and
Amazon is not going to be ableto help you. Not only that,
but it's going to get harder andharder to buy things online. YouTube just
instituted a new set of rules toshut down gun tubers and all sorts of
(07:49):
things you know you can't do.They said they will not allow you to
have a video on YouTube that showshow to do a gun built, I
mean just taking an an ar bill, also how to make ammunition as in
reloading. They're going to take allthose off. I mean, YouTube is
(08:09):
the enemy. All the online stuffis going to be difficult. But your
local gun store are your friends andyour supporters. And you know, let's
just run through a couple of financialthings. People say, well, you
don't save money, Well do youreally? When you buy a bunch of
ammo and they got to ship itto you, you know, and you're
going to pay taxes either way.These days, you're paying the taxes no
(08:31):
matter what right, and the shippingand the hazmat fees add up fast.
On those things. I found someprimers to this point this week popped up.
I was warning one of those contactme if you get these primers in.
I'm looking for Winchester large rifle primers. Can't find them anywhere. And
it came in says, we havethem. Okay, great, Well it
was like one hundred and sixteen dollarsfor one thousand primers, so right off
(08:56):
the bat, we're starting high.And then I said, and we're going
to add tax okay, and we'regonna add has met, and we're gonna
add shipping. And by the timeI was done, it was one hundred
and sixty five dollars for one thousandprime Make one of them count. Huh,
I'm not doing it. I justsaid, I am. I'm tapping
out. But you know what,I'll guarantee you there. You know,
(09:18):
if you go into a local store, you're not gonna have to pay that
for primers rights and well, butthe local store didn't him still going in
prepaying and order then, right,and you might wait a while, you
know, but you're gonna be waitinga while anyways, you've waited, Well,
what are we four years post pandemic? I mean, you know it's
(09:39):
been a problem already, So what'snew? Yeah, exactly, you know.
And the other part of is,like the guy who called the show
today, can you imagine that he'sbeen looking for this gun for forty five
years? Right, he sees ita gun show. What amazed me is
he said he walked away for twoand a half minutes. I would hesitate.
I would I mean, I wouldbe like camping at that place.
(10:00):
Once ahead at my hands, I'msaying, you're never getting this gun back.
I'm not even putting it back onthe tape. Don't mind that.
What's so funny? He's like,Okay, but I heard Tom in my
head. You're going to be sorry. I do that to people. People
say, you know, I wasnot shooting. All I heard was your
voice going amazing. Well it comesto local gun stores after break. I
(10:22):
have an interesting story and it notnot necessarily a good story, but one
I think needs some coverage, andwe can maybe chat about that briefly.
And shall you know, we're alsogoing to revisit the interview with Pete Brown.
Now when you come back, mhm, I know We'll be right
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(11:31):
from Now I'm leaving. Okay,cool, all right, and I guess
we're back now officially we're back.We're not really youial, which is the
kind of the same as going swimmingly, but not exactly. So there's all
of that. Okay, all right, Jim, you start off with your
(11:52):
story and then we'll end up withmine. Well, it's about a local
gun store. And I really don'twant to call Michelle out, but it
was at her gun store. Notmissing in names, but no, I
mean I've been a customer for whatthirty years? Maybe yeah, maybe I
got tossed out asked not to comeback. Well, the stores in this
(12:13):
area that is just like here onthe do not shop list. I brought
in a gun. Michelle was offthe day I brought in a gun and
they ended up calling her in tohave her escorting. Do you know this
guy? Yeah, but I knowher? Yeah, and I just said,
hey, you give gunsmithing in house, because I know you're gunsmith.
So is he Inen today said he'sat lunch, he'll be back shortly.
What can we help you with?I said, well, I would like
(12:35):
to get this gun blued. Anduh kind of gave me a weird look
and he said, well, maybeyou should just just wait for Chad.
And I said, well, I'mkind of gonna hurry. I mean,
can you write the gun? Andhe said, I don't even want to
write it up. So then Ipulled the Michelle cart. Hey, I'm
friends with Michelle, we worked together, blah blah blah, and he said,
hang on a second. So hemade a call and it was like
fifteen minutes. I'm waiting, waitand wait, and finally Michelle walks through
(12:58):
the door. She says, canyou brief me on what's going on?
And he's the counterperson trouble maker gavethe story and uh, she just shook
her head and she said, Jim, I think it's best you'll leave and
I'll let I'll let her take fromthere because I'm still upset about it.
Yeah, well I should have justbrought a blue charpie with him with me
today to give to him because honestly, what he wanted to have every blued
(13:22):
Jim polymer, Well it was ablock. I just wanted it blued.
Call for the wagon, right,blue hot, let's do a hot blue
job on a polymer gun. Youknow maybe one of the king size charpies
(13:43):
would have done that. I don'twant, no, no, I want,
I want. I'm thinking some spraycryal on in bright blue. There
you go. I blewed your gunfor you, dude. All those listeners
who think this is just for theshow, Oh no it's not. He
really did. He's an idiot.Okay, now one of the guys looking
(14:07):
at you like, okay, theyput me on. All right, So
that was that was a totally madeup story. But it became we were
talking on break I actually it wasa break really about blueing guns, and
she said you can read blue guns. And I wasn't aware. I thought
you could touch them up, butyou actually reblew them. There's a lot
involved. I didn't realize that.I said, O, man, you
(14:28):
gotta take them apart. Oh yeah, some people use a buffing wheel and
you should use a file and blahblah blah. It's a lot of a
lot of handwork, a lot ofhandwork. The good people who really know
how to do it are masters atbuffing a gun. And there's nothing I
know of that can ruin a gunfaster than a clown with a buffing wheel.
(14:48):
Your car, it was the samefor a car, Yes, not
the truth. YEA puts some poweron that thing and lean into it.
You cannot do that. Beware ofyour auto spas that you go to,
because they can mess something up ina hurry. So you're saying, if
you see a guy pause in yourcar and you see smoke coming off your
(15:09):
hood, that's probably not good.Well yeah, okay, so yeah,
people who are really really good,Oh at the sun I wanted a flame
job. That didn't mean yeah,no kidding. But there are almost always
guys who did the bumming at thegun makers. They always had arms that
(15:30):
looked like Popeye. Oh I bet, I mean holy cow. Yeah.
But for somebody who doesn't really understandit is a lot of hand and armwork,
Like you're like, oh, whatdo you mean it's going to be
three hundred dollars if you see whatgoes into it. Eight Yeah, and
(15:50):
that's probably an easy job and whydo you think the highly blued smith and
Western revolvers and the cult pythons areso darned right their classics. And that's
for a reason. What's the historyof bluing, Tom Well? Bluing is
really a rust process, and wetalk about the poshing and the bluing.
(16:11):
Those are two different things. Butto get a really good finish on the
bluing is and it's a I can'tremember what the chemicals are in the bluing
salts. It's a salt process.You've got to have a mirror like finish
on the metal first, and that'swhere the polishing comes in. But you
got to do the posting in sucha way that you don't burn up or
like ruin the edges, you know. So it requires finesse and also real
(16:37):
physical strength to hold that steel againstthe buffing wheel and get all that done.
So it's it is quite a job. It's worth every penny, and
people that are good at it aremasters, and the ones that are not
are the shade tree mechanics. Youdon't really want to be going to right
now. It's basically it came outfor rustproofing and the process happens to turn
(16:59):
it rus wasn't a cosmetic thing atall. Yeah, it basically it's pre
rusting, if you will. Andthen it came up with parkerizing, which
was kind of the same thing,but ugly and cheap and fast, right
like sand blasting, and yes,the opposite of a nice, fine blue
job. All right, No,don't worry about going in there with the
(17:21):
buffing and the filing. Just goahead, and well, parkerzoning was basically
for guns that were going into aWorld War One trench. Anyway, why
I worry about it, right right, right? Okay, I want to
switch here, Yeah, sure,I want to switch all right, Michelle,
I want to bounce it off ofyou, because I knew that that
had to ring with you. Yeah, but I mean things you didn't know
about Pete Brown now and my friendright right. Yeah, that was a
(17:44):
great interview, and sorry it wasemotional at the time because and especially the
way it was just ended. Youknow, if they can't get there,
he'll carry them. Well, andanybody who understands the military, everybody that's
in there right now, or atleast eighty percent of them, I'm going
to say probably you know, they'reall there for the reason that they want
(18:07):
to be there for They volunteered forthis job. And I don't think we
give our military, or let's justbroaden that, our police or fire or
ems. I don't think we giveany of those people enough credit for being
the one that's going to run towardthe problem and try to make it better.
(18:29):
And they're trying to make it betterfor everyone, and as a result,
it sometimes doesn't ends up good forthem. Well, you know,
and I hope that if somebody's listeningto this and hasn't heard that that was
in the second hour, gym yeessecond hour, go back and listen to
the interview with Pete brown Al.He's the CEO of Brown Els, the
great company in Iowa. And youknow, like I said, for me,
(18:52):
their company has always been about theculture of helping of good people.
You call there, you talk topeople there, but most people don't know
the other side of Pete and thethings he does. And I mean he
was a kidding when I said,you know, you said, well,
what if they can't get to thetop, He said, well, we'll
carry him. And I said,you know, are you seriously legitimate?
(19:14):
I mean that literal just yes,we will carry them to the summit of
the mountain. That's what we're goingto have to do. If that's what
we have to do, we'll carryhim. So and also I can I
can just reveal a little bit.Pete has been a mover and a shaker
behind the scenes of much of whathas happened within our successes in the courtrooms
(19:37):
over the last few years, mostlyanonymous, entirely anonymous. Yeah, and
you know, I'm not going togo into any other detail than that,
but he's been very involved in that, and at some point he will come
back out of the shadows because Ithink Pete got burned with his experience with
the NRA. Yeah, he reallygot hosed over there, but he never
(19:59):
gave up on the that amendment orthe cause. He just chose a different
way to do that. Of coursehe saw Sorry, no, I was
gonna say, it's the same typeof thing. Go home, rethink.
Okay, I've got to come upwith a different plan because it is literally
in his blood and it is hisfamily, it is their identity, that's
who they are. It is.And of course you understand, my dad
(20:22):
was real good friends with his grandfatherBob, and I got a weird story
for you. This is a itreally doesn't apply to anything other than just
a brown el story. Some yearsago, my wife and I were on
a trip out west. We're flyingher plane, and I said, well,
let's go to land in Taos,New Mexico, and we could overnight
(20:45):
there because that was where it happenedto be landed in. The airport in
Taos, in Mexico is in themiddle of nowhere, out out of town.
It's on a high desert and it'sisolated. And we landed there.
It was kind of at dusk,and I'm actually around. I'm looking in
the the fbo, which is thebusiness there where you go. It's closed,
and I'm going, huh, there'sthere's not a phone. This was
(21:08):
pre cell phone. There's nothing there. I'm thinking, well, I don't
know what we're gonna do, becauseI mean, we have to get back
into the plane and fly down toPhoenix or something, or safe or someplace.
I don't know what we're gonna dohere. And I see a car
driving up up to the airport anda guy gets out and he walks over
(21:29):
to the fence. You always gotthe fence there right at the airport.
And I walk over there and I'mand said, you know, say,
do you know if there's a phonehere or something. He says, no,
I just drove up here. Stand. I mean, it's like got
the wind and the tunnel weeds andwe're out in the middle of nowhere.
And look, I said, Frank. He says, it's Frank round now
(21:52):
in the middle of nowhere. Itwas just the strangest thing, Missus Pete's
dad Frank. And so we gota ride with Frank from here for you
couldn't even get fuel or anything.Now, it was just actually we're just
there. So anyway, it wasone of those surreal deals, like almost
(22:15):
a movie scene. It's just likenobody else is out there. I starty
told Pat. I said, yeah, we may have to get back in
the plane and go fly down toSanta Fe or someplace. So that was
just one of those little things thathappens occasionally. So but no, Pete
is the part of the interview thatyou didn't here, and we're going to
have the full interview, and wedid it on video and he talks about
(22:37):
some of the background. But theyhave a rule in their family. You
can't work in the business until youhave gone out into the world and worked
in the world for a number ofyears and learn, as he says,
lose money on somebody else's nickel,and learn what working is, learn what
leadership is. And he worked inconstruction, and he was gone for quite
(22:59):
a while, not working in BrownEls before he came back. But I
think that's his he said. Hesays. Look, he says, the
people you come back and you're workingwith them, or you are their leader
at Brown Els, he says,you know, you come back as the
son of the boss or as theysay, the so ob. Well,
sometimes people just expect an inheritance andthey don't have to work for it.
(23:22):
Right, Clearly that's not the casein that family. They don't have business
values. Yeah, yeah, yes, So you know it's one of the
reasons I know, I have saidthis a number of times and talk about
Brown Els, and maybe this helpsexplain to people why I feel the way
I do about that company. Iam always happy to buy things from Brown
(23:45):
Else. It's just one of thoseweird deals that you always get a good
experience out of it. Well,and what compounded that interview was we had
gotten a call from somebody just listeningJeff, and he wanted to expand and
give additional gifts and wanting to getin touch with Pete and it's just I
(24:10):
don't know, you know, it'sjust renewing your faith in humanity sometimes that
there's just really good people out therethat care a lot about the struggles that
others are going through and mental healthand the loss, the amount of loss
daily that our soldiers experiences. It'sa tragedy in the it's like twenty two
(24:32):
or twenty three a day for generalservices, but operators numbers are way higher
percentage wise, and it's not justour military. But that's the conversation today,
and yeah, we just need tothrow our support out there. You
know, call anybody you're in astruggle, how are you doing? And
really mean at heart, ask realquestions, not aske or no question.
(24:55):
Are you doing? What's going onwith you? Yes? I haven't heard
from you? What are you doing? How you do it? What's what's
happening now? I mean, weneed we have lost the connection and it's
been you know, I guess terribleover the last four years in my opinion,
that we have lost that personal connection. And if it's military or paramedics
or police, none of them arein it for the money because there isn't
(25:18):
it right, They're there for theright reasons. Really, yeah, they
really are. Yes, Yeah,there you go. All right, well
I'm not going you know, andMichelle, when we get to the and
you see the video, Yeah,it's the powerful stuff. It's good,
good stuff. Well I thought itwas a race to I'm not going to
cry. You cry like I'll justcry for you. That's pretty much.
(25:44):
Yet. Actually you're in the videoduring the interview, is that right there?
I bet? Yeah, definitely.It was like you flip the switch
on Pete. What happens? Likeyou just stop and couldn't talk. Just
think, think about it. Guy, it's powerful stuff. Ye bay.
We'll catch you next time for thegun talk after show. MHM.
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