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Of course our number is eighty sixsix Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun,
whichever works best for you. Nowyou know, I'm a reader.
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I always been a reader. Iguess that comes with part of the territory
when you're a writer and an editoras well. Grew up son of a
writer and book author, So Ijust love good books and it's always a
pleasure to bring in Jack Carr.He's got a brand new book, Red
Sky Morning, and he just gotback. Jack, you just got back
in from Normandy celebrating the eightieth anniversaryof D Day. What was that like?
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It was absolutely incredible, what withthe best station. I was at
the eightieth anniversary commemoration events of PearlHarbor in December of twenty twenty one.
Brought my daughter, who at thetime was fifteen, over to help out
with these veterans, getting them toand from these events. Then for the
D Day events of twenty twenty two, we did that again and this time
came back for the eightieth and theseguys are all creeping up on or at
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one hundred years old, some ofthem over one hundred years old, and
now you're taking them back to thebattlefields on which they fought. But what's
really amazing about the whole experience isjust how all the people of northern France
come out to support these guys.You've never seen so many American flags,
even on any small town in America. On Fourth of July, there are
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more flags in nobody, eighty fourflags, hundred and first airborne flags everywhere,
and the people come out. Andwhat's great about it is not just
the people who maybe were young innineteen forty four, but multi generation passed
on what happened on D Day andthat liberation to their kids, and now
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to their kids, and now totheir kids. So it's a multi generational
thing. You can see it intheir eyes. They're so appreciative, so
thankful, and they absolutely love theseguys. It's like nothing I've ever before.
Wow, that's amazing. I mean, obviously for Americans there was a
great sacrifice, but for the French, it was the salvation of their freedom
exactly exactly. They were, ofcourse, and then liberated, and they
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do not have not forgotten who liberatedthem. And these guys, I think
we have a little bit of amisconception about how old these guys were when
they came across the beaches at Normandybecause of books like our movies, like
say, in Private Ryan, yousee Tom Hanks, who I don't know,
you've maybe forty five when he filmedthat or something along those lines,
or you see The Longest Day andyou see John Wayne in there, and
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these guys, some of them liedabout their age, forged birth certificates came
in at fifteen. You had theseguys going across the beaches. You know,
they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,nineteen, twenty years old and they
are young. So I think wehave a little bit of misconception about who
actually ran across those beaches through machinegun fire and in liberated France. Amazing.
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Now for those who don't know,I mean, you had your own
history as a warrior. You werea CeAl, You've been on deployments a
lot of places, and that obviouslypermeates a lot of your books, the
thrillers, the James Reese's character iscertainly an amalgamation, but it's also there's
a lot of not only just you, but people you've known in your character.
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James Reese, Sure. I meanI wanted to capture the mindset of
a modern day warrior without having to, let's say, interview a sniper who
worked in Ramadi at the height ofthe war. And I don't have to
interview that person and then have thoseanswers get filtered through whatever preconceived notions I
might have had as an author orresearcher. But movies I've seen, other
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books, I've read, documentaries I'vewatched. It comes all right from the
heart. So it goes right frommy heart and soul into every single word
without any of those filters. BecauseI just remember what it was like to
be a sniper in Ramadi or whatit was like to get ambushed in Baghdad.
I don't have to interview someone tryto figure out what it felt like.
I can take those feelings and applythem directly to the fictional narrative.
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So it's very therapeutic, and Ithink it resonates with readers because they can
tell that the feelings and emotions behindwhat happens in these novels, particularly to
the antagonists, are real coming froma real place, you know. For
the listeners of gun Talk, oneof the things I would like to let
them know is that if you likereading, if you like thrillers, you're
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like novels, and you're into guns. You've got an awful lot of technical
gun stuff, not just guns,but m and accessories and packs and sites
and optics and a lot of namesof people we know, and you know,
gear we know, and the companieswe know. You are very much
into this world. Well, I'vealways been a gear guy before my time
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in the military. I was agear person. Certainly throughout my time in
the Seal Teams. I got touse a lot of this gear downrange,
test a lot of gear out andI remain a gear guy to this day,
and of course always interested in weaponsfrom my earliest days all the way
through the Seal Teams, and thatall continues today. So it would be
very odd for me just to saythat he picked up a shotgun, or
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you know, he drew his pistolor something like that, because as you
know, and I'm sure your listenersalso know, when they see somebody what
they carry, how they carry it. Tells you a lot about them,
tells you a lot about their trainingand their background. And I'm not just
talking about their weapons, but certainlythat's a very key component. So you
see a cock in lock nineteen elevenand a leather pulsure on a leather belt,
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you see that tells you something aboutthat person, a little different than
a striker fire pistol and a kayitexrig appendix carried like that tells you something
about that person, what they havetrained, kind of the generation they came
up in, so it tells youabout them, and that doesn't say anything
about their The shoes that they're wearing, the boots that they're wearing, their
pants, their hat, you know, all those things, the car that
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they pull up in. All thosethings tell a story, tell you a
little bit about someone. So Iuse them in the novel as well.
And for me it's I don't haveto google a Navy seal knife and see
what pops up, and then youknow, you put that into the books
like that's that's not how it goes. And sometimes if you're a person that
has a background similar to mine andyou're reading a book or watching a movie
and you see the protagonist carry somethingthat probably is sealed, would never have
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carried or is warring, like ashirt that said you know Navy seals or
had this best Navy seals or somethinglike that. It's kind of takes you
out of the story a bit,so I say, I just stay true
to my true to my background andpersonal experience. No, it makes the
perfect sense. If somebody's carrying nineteeneleven and who Mills, Sparks Holster,
there are some things that you canunderstand about that person right off the bat,
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exactly exactly, and I love todo that. It would be very
unnatural for me not to incorporate weaponsand gear into the story as a way
to, uh, to give alittle bit of background on somebody that I'm
describing. And for those who areinto this, as you cruise through the
acknowledgments in the back, there arenames and references that a lot of people
will know and they actually make theirway into the story. You know,
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the Clinton, Maddy Smith, LarryVickers, the gear that the folks from
sig. I mean, this isan area where people will go, oh,
yeah, I know those people areI've actually trained with those people.
So there's a connection for a lotof people in the gun world here.
Oh absolutely, I've done that fromthe first book onward, and it's just
it's very natural for me to doso I think that is forced. None
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of that is shoehorned in. Nothingis that because of someone sponsoring he or
anything like that. That's not howit works at all. It's all very
natural when I get to those placesin the book where there's an opportunity to
add color at flavor to the storyby incorporating those people, those companies,
that gear, and I certainly takethe opportunity to do that, but it's
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always in a very natural way,all right, So bring us Obviously the
book is terrific, Red Sky morning, it's out, or we'll be out
in just the next couple of dayshere. But you just got back from
Buddhapest, and so your novels Ihave leaped across to the big screen.
Tell us what you were doing thereand what's going on with this transition to
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movies and TV. That's right.Well, the first book, The Terminal
List, was adapted to a televisionshow starring Chris Pratt. Came out in
the summer of twenty twenty two,and it did very well. Of course
Amazon will never share exactly how wellit did. They hold that kind of
all those tech companies hold that datavery close. But it did quite well,
and they ordered two more seasons.So that's a spinoff series with Chris
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Pratt is in three of those sevenepisodes and focuses on the Taylor Kitch character
Ben Edwards. So let's see alittle spoiler alert here for those who have
not watched Red. But he doessomething in the Terminal List, and this
new spinoff series goes back in time. It's a prequel origin story shows how
he got to that place where hecould do what he does in the Terminal
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List. So I could not behappier with how that is going. The
scripture incredible. Taylor Kitch is crossingit on set, as is the whole
cast and crew overseas right now.And it starts off like action and then
it moves into action stays with it, but it moves into more espionage thriller
space. So I'm super excited aboutthat. And then we should start filming
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True Believer, the second novel inthe series starring Chris Pratt, sometime in
twenty twenty five. So it's go, go go. I guess it is
all right, I got to switchjust for a second or something, just
near and dear to my heart andclearly to yours. And I'm a reader.
You're clearly a reader that you makereferences in the book. And I
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grew up reading Robert Ruurke and Ernestk. Ghann, and my dad was
good friends with Cornelis Ryan, Andyou're going, okay, these are the
people I knew and know. AndI guess what I would like to have
you just touch on is you actuallyhelp direct people to some of these great
writers to say, you know what, if you're liking my book, you
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may like some of these others thatyou're unfamiliar with. Oh, absolutely talk
about that as much as I possiblycan. Reading. We've kind of we've
lost that in this country a littlebit because of all the distractions that are
out there, especially for the youngergeneration that's just coming into their own now.
There are so many other distractions thatweren't out there in the seventies,
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eighties and nineties when I was growingup. And now you're not just competing
with let's say, books are notjust competing with a movie on the weekend
or a TV show that you wantto watch at eight o'clock, nine o'clock
or ten o'clock at night that youwait for every week. Now you're competing
with every single video game out there, every stringle, single streaming service out
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there, available of course on demand, every single social media platform YouTube.
So there's a lot more options outthere for people these days. And as
a country, we're really reading lessand less and less, So I try
to convert people to reading all thetime. I think podcasts are a great
way to do that because it's verynatural medium to switch over to an audiobook.
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And Ray Porter reads my audiobook,Senior rates them. He's fantastic.
It's just really at the top ofthe narration game. And so I'm hoping
that the audiobooks are almost a gatewaydrug to reading physical books and putting the
phone down, closing the computer,turning off through your email and just me
sit in front of the fire,or you know, waking up in the
morning and starting your day with abook where there's nothing else electronic around.
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But there's so much to being ableto sit there quietly and read without interruption
that can build a foundation upon whichto build wherever you're going in life.
And that was the steams and nowas an author of these thrillers. But
really reading is the foundation of allof it. So I'm trying to convert
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new readers with every chance I get. Well, and reality is and discs
down weird to some people. Readingis absolutely the most immersive activity you can
have in terms of media. Oh, it absolutely is. And I think
it was general Mattis. He said, functionally there is no difference between a
person who can't read and a personwho doesn't read. I might be a
little off on that oo, butlike the general. Yeah, well,
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Jack, congratulations on the new book, Red Sky Morning. It is out.
You can get it, of course, everywhere you can get books.
And if this is your first timeto read a Jack Carr book, you
grab this one and then you startbacking your way through and you can see,
you know, read all the restof them. Just congratulations on all
the successes you're having. Oh,thank you so much. I feel extremely
fortunate and absolutely love every single partof this. So thank you so much
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am Tom Gresham. You can jointhis by calling me right now eight six
' six Talkgun or Tom Talkgun,both of gets you in there. Had
visiting conversation actually Ryan my son whoruns gun Talk Media, and they were
shooting First Person Defender this week orsome segments for it. First Person Defenders
in the series where regular people aredropped into self defense scenarios using semunitions,
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or you might call it high speedpaintball. It could be an ATM robbery,
a carjacking, an attempt at kidnapping, attempt to rape any number of
scenarios. We pull a lot ofour stories straight out of the news,
stories about crime. And Ryan saidsomething that was interesting to me, and
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I pulled something out of it thatmaybe he hadn't thought of. And he
said, at the end of theweek, after going through this, he
says, he was just very fatiguedand very stressed. And yes, you're
producing television, which this is,and you've got I mean as many as
ten or fourteen cameras and you're managingall of those, and you've got people
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going in all directions. Yes,it's a lot, but that really wasn't
what it was. He said.After he thought about it, he realized
that, particularly the last scenario hesaid, which was very violent, it
really was working on him. AndI told him, I said, you
know, part of that is becauseyou have a good imagination. It's very
creative, and when you have agood imagination, you can insert yourself into
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the situation so that you feel asthough it's happening to you. And so
it really worked on him. Isaid, But here's the other takeaway from
this, and it goes back tosomething that we said four years which is
sports psychologists tell us that you can'tthink about an event or competing an event
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or doing something and sit there inyour big easy chair and think about it
over and over and make the skirun or make the run in a three
gun competition, or you know,score the time down and mentally you're doing
it through your imagination, but it'sactually for your brain very little different from
actually being there and doing that thing. My point in this is that force
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on force training is so very effectivebecause when you get into the middle of
it, it's not a game,it's not a pretend. If you are
at all a serious person, itbecomes utterly real. Your heart rate goes
up every I mean, all thereactions you would get in an attack happen,
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and you have to learn to dealwith that. So I just I
offer that as a way of saying, if you get a chance to go
take force on force training somewhere,do not pass it up. Just go
do it. Hey, let's grabFrank online to out a roundup Montana.
Frank, tell me your father's daystory. Yeah, but swallowed three fifty
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seven magnum And there's also thirty eightspecial and I loaded it up for him
and the thirty eight specials and saidyou go, oh, go ahead and
shoot it. I had six roundsin there, but the last round was
a three fifty seven magnum and andhe fought shot the first three and he
said, well, that don't kickthat bad. And I said, no,
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they don't kick bad. And thenfinally the last shot that they give
them a kind of a good jolt. And he looked at me, and
then he looked at the box andhe's reading on the box and he says,
be careful when you handle lead shells. That exposed the lead will give
you a card brain damage. AndI kind of laughed. And my dad
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and I always got along good,but I almost thought that was the first
time he was gonna slap me onthe back of it. He just kind
of stared at me for a secondand then all of a sudden, we
busts is not laughing together. Well, that's a kind of story that you
can build good memories about as longas nobody was hurt and nobody got mad.
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It's kind of a fun thing todo to show off the difference in
recoil. There it's a surprise.So there you go, Thanks Frank.
I appreciate that. Yeah, youknow, for me, I guess the
stories about Dad me growing up,there were a lot of were about guns
and shooting. A lot of ourtypical birthdays and Christmas is the presence usually
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came in a long box shotgun toa rifle of some sort. Starting off
with their guns and bbguns whatever,just fun stuff. When I was really
young, you remember the Daisy Modeltwenty five. It was a pump action
bbgun, not a pelt gun bbgun, but you had kind of a scissor
arm on the pump and when you'relittle, you have your hand underneath the
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scissor part and if it's not pushedall the way forward, when it goes
off, it will peech you.Oh baby, that hurts. But Dad
would go to the local wholesaler andbuy a case of bbes at a time,
and my brother and I would shootBB guns until we wore them out.
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You didn't think you could wear outa BB gun, but let me
tell you, if you're shooting threeor four hundred BB's a day. And
we would just wander the neighborhood.We wouldn't terrorize anybody, but we did
go out on the lake and turtlesand snakes were off in our victims and
paddling around in boats and canoes andjust going at it. So that was
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that was tons of fun. Ican tell you there is a value at
shooting BB guns as opposed to pelletguns. With a pellet gun, the
velocity of SUTs that you can't seethe pellet BB guns. Spring power BB
guns, the BB goes so slowlyyou can actually see it in flight and
you can tell where you're missing.And I learned to walk those shots in.
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I learned to make hits with aBB gun at fifty and sixty yards.
You also learn a little bit aboutwind drift because you could see the
BB's drifting off. You can seethe drop of the arc. I get
to practice holding a little bit highor exposing a little bit more of the
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front fight to hold high. It'sactually a really good way to develop skills.
And people may pooh poo the ideaof a BB gun, but I
got to tell you. You takea regular spring powered, simple BB gun
or CO two powered and go outto the range with it, or right
to the backyard if you have aplace where you can shoot like that.
And I don't care if you're knockingover ten cans are shooting wafers, rich
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crackers or anything like that. It'sjust fun. I mean, hand to
somebody else and they're going to havefun as well. And you're liable to
revive some of those memories of youwith your dad shooting BB guns way back
when. Wrap yourself a BB guntons of five. All right, that
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bridy. We have Tom and Pauland we have room for you. If
you want to join us right now, just call me An eight sixty six
gun Line two. Tom's out ofWest Fargo, Dor Dakota. Thank you
for your pasting there, Tom,what's on your mind? Yes, sir,
I'm the third generation of a Modelsix at Winchester, Model sixty three.
It's a twenty two rifle. I'mthird generation, but first generation to
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shoot it. My grandfather bought it. Before he bought it right before he
had surgery in Rochester back in thefifties. He died before he could shoot
the gun. My dad never shotthe gun, and my dad gave it
to me over fifty years ago.Holy cow, So third generation you got
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the unfired gun, that's right.And I used it a lot, so
much so that I wore out thefirst spring went to a very good gunspent.
He put the spring en. It'sbecause it's got a two feet through
the stock, right, I believetwelve ten or maybe it's eleven, but
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I wore out the first spring heput it in, and if fires,
the only thing I use in thereis American Egle twenty two. The only
thing I use it's the cleanup bookburning that I've had for that gun.
Yeah, that's the deal with twentytwo is you got to find the one
that works for you, and thenwhen that amma works for you, go
buy a whole bunch of it.Absolutely, And I don't have any kids,
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so I can't pass it on.I'm not sure what to do with
it, but it'll go to someplacespecial. I will make sure that.
But anyway, Yeah, first generationof a third generation gun. That is
very cool, great story, Tom, I appreciate that. All right,
let's grab Paul on three out ofmore Head, Minnesota. Paul, you're
on Gun Talk. What you gotthere? Hey? Tom, I'm just
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calling tell you about my dad's Winchester. My dad died when I was twelve,
and I just stayed in my mom'shouse. And when I was eighteen,
eighteen years old, I took thatgun because my mom didn't care.
I got it. It's a Winchesterin ninety four twenty five thirty five.
It was manfactured in nineteen oh six. It's about eighty eighty five percent condition.
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It's a twenty six octagon barrel takedownand I don't know what the gun's
worth. It's probably two thousand andthree thousand dollars. I don't know.
Never really cared, but my dadused it for deer hunting, and he
shot some deer with I don't knowhow many. I know. When I
was hunting with my uncle when Iwas in my early thirties, he told
me that I had already shot moredeer than my dad did, and I'm
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going to have a deer hunter.I've probably shot over forty deer now.
But I've never used that gun fordeer hunting. I'd like to, but
that's the gun that he used deerhunting, and I don't know how many
gun deer he shot, but reallya nice I've got twenty boxes of shelves
for it, and once soos aregone, if I ever go out and
shoot it again, because I justusually go out and target practice a little
bit, but when those boxes ofAmma are gone. I won't have any
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more AMMO because I can't find thatstuff and I don't know it. Paul,
let me get me throw an ideaat you. Okay, I think
I think you got to take thatrifle deer hunting. You already know how
to deer. Huh, you're successfuldeer hunh You're probably gonna deer. And
I'm going to go a step further. I think you got to carry a
picture your dad with you. Wouldyou go out and kill a deer with
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that gun? What do you think? I've got a picture of my dad
with one of the dos he shoton my phone. Oh you know what,
Go get yourself a deer with thatrifle and get a picture of you
similar to that picture. Now you'llhave the two of them together. What
does it mean to you that youhave your dad's rifle? It means everything,
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because I believe that's the only riflemy dad had. He had some
shotguns. He loved duck hunting,and I've got his. It was a
J. C. Higgins, justa cheap shotgun. But the action on
those j C. Higgins is phenomenal, I think. But that's yeah,
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But you realize that that rifle isalmost one hundred and twenty years old.
I know it is, and Iknow it's worth something because it's a takedown.
Oh even better. Yeah, andit's an octagon barrel and takedown.
And all right, you gotta goget a deer with that rifle. Man,
you gotta do that. You andyour dad doing the same thing with
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the same rifle. I guess I'mgonna have to try that next fall.
There you go, all right,you take care, all right. Story
out of the news reporters from theBabylon be titled this came out on Friday,
when the Supreme Court ruled that theATF cannot in fact ban bumpstocks.
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The headline is all bump stocks lostin boating accidents back in nineteen and twenty
seventeen miraculously wash up on shore DaylineUS. And one of the most remarkable
miracles in human history. The thousandsof bumpstocks that went missing seven years ago
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in boating accidents all simultaneously washed ashoreand have been reunited with their owners.
Quote, wow, my bumpstock washedashore and just a day after the Supreme
Court ruling overturn of the band,said local man Omar Gonzalez. It goes
on and on. It's a great, hilarious fun story from the people over
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at the Babylon b They do greatstuff. Let's see, I got time
to do this line five buds withus out of Grand Cain, Louisiana.
Hello Bud, Hey Tom, howyou doing today? I am good.
You know Grand Cain is where TerryBradshaw's from. Yeah, I might live
on a road that bears his name, I'll be darn. Yeah. Back
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when I knew Terry, that's wherehe lived. And we got we got
a great video on our website onYouTube channel of my dad fishing with Terry
Bradshaw and it's just hilarious the twoof them together. Anyway, I digress,
I digress. You got a storyto tell? Well, I got
a question. Really, my sonwas passed down an old Winchester lever action.
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I don't have any information on it. We went to try to shoot
it out in the pasture and clickclick good a little looking the firing pin
was removed from it. I'm notfamiliar at all with that platform, and
I can't find anybody between Shreveport andNaked Ish so far that could tell me
a reason why the fire and pinmight have been removed, like was it
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d miled for safety reasons? Idon't know. I don't know. You
know, it could have. Itcould have been taken to a show somewhere
like shots show requires that firing pinsbe removed, so it could have been
an exhibit or a show gun somewhere. Let me ask you, are you
still trying to get it worked onor get it going? If I could
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find somebody that would take a lookat it that knows what they're doing.
You're not that far from hout andLouisiana. Have you tried Clark Custom Guns?
Are they still doing gunsmithing? Asfar as I know, I haven't
heard you know, of course,you know the go to now is Facebook
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they've been anti gun all along andthey have all these restrictions. Now
they're gonna have new ones, suchas you cannot show building a gun that
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is assembling an AR fifteen or attachinga muzzle brake to it or any of
the other things we do to attachaccessories. You can't show making ammunition as
in oh yeah, reloading or handloading. It goes on and on, and
it has the potential for both beingthe death of gun related videos on YouTube.
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not go to YouTube, you goto gun talkTV dot com and that will
get you in there. Uh,let's see here. Line one. Pete's
in Texas. Hey Pete, what'sgoing on? You're gotting me lucky devil
for what's going on? Mister Gresham? Yes, sir, I have been
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hoarding since nineteen eighty four. We'llsend me your address. Well, I
actually I live in a bunker.Well I have been accused of broadcasting from
a bunker. But well that's nottrue. But that's cool. So what
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kind of stuff do you hoard?Oh it goes bang, I got it.
Sounds okay to me. Yeah,No, I was thinking outside the
box as I usually do, andat the gun show that sure is a
pretty holster. I'll give you thegun price for that. Holster if you'll
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throw the gun in for free.Okay, I'm kind of lost. What
are we trying to do here?Okay, I'll give you to say you
agreed on a five hundred dollars fora pistol in a holster. I'll just
give you five hundred dollars for aholster if you'll throw the gun in free.
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What are you trying to do here? I mean, what if you're
buying from somebody at a gun show, if they're not a dealer, there's
not a record of it. Anyway, There you go, so everybody's happy.
I'm just not understanding why you woulddo that. What's the big deal?
Well? Why not keeps everybody jumpingon the toes heads? Well,
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you know what, and if itmakes you smile, it makes you happy,
go for it. I appreciate that, sir. Let me run down
to Wes online. Four out ofWhite Sulfur Springs, Montana, Wes.
You're on gun talk. What's goingon here? Oh? I've just I've
been looking for a gun that mybrother took from me when I didn't even
know it was missing. An oldguy gave it to me. He owned
a big ranch up here at Whiteself or Jim Stewart, and I always
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called him Uncle Jim. I wasborn on the ranch. He gave me
a Henry original Henry serial number nine, and I put it in my clause
that I never paid much attention toit after that. My brother was dying
about three years ago, and hesaid he wanted to talk to me.
So I went down to talk tohim, and he said, I took
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your gun, and I sent itdown with a friend of mine and he
sold it for me. And Isaid, what gun did you take?
He said, that old Henry thatUncle Jim gave you. But anyway,
I just wondered if anybody could couldfind it. I didn't know whether Uncle
Jim had cut the barrel down,but the front sight had been replaced,
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you know, you could see ithad been replaced. So I was just
wondering if anybody out there had seenthe gun or knew anything about what happened.
Let me ask you, did youreport it? Of course you may
not have even known it was gone. You didn't reported stolen, did you.
If this has been like ten ortwelve years now, or even maybe
longer, I don't know when hetook it, I hadn't paid any attention
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to it until he told me itwas gone. Well, do you know
the man that he gave it toand who's ended up selling it. I
mean, I'm just trying to thinkof how you could talk again. That
he gave it to a friend ofhis and he took it down to I
think he took it to Nevada orArizona's. I think that gun's gone.
Man. I'm sorry, but Idon't know of a way to recover that.
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Well, probably didn't recover. Butif I thought if somebody knew or
if they had the gun, theycould maybe tell me what they got for
it, I'd give him the moneyback for the gun, because it was
a keepsake from Uncle Jim, andI'd just like to have it back.
Okay, as an old Henry,what was a serial number? Nine two
six? If somebody hears of it, sees it, knows of it,
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we got your phone number, they'llcontact us. We'll put you together with
him. How's that? Yeah?All right, I appreciate that. I
mean, there you go. Letme see all right, we're probably up
against our clock here. Yeah,we don't quite have quite enough time.
We'll sam, we'll hold you overif you'd like to join us. We're
kind of swapping stories, particularly Father'sDay stories, stories about dads, the
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guns that we passed down, andyou could give us a holler. I'd
love to hear those stories. We'veeven bring you back and put you in
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if you're a podcast listener, justunderstand that's what's going on when you say,
oh wow, that's a little bitdifferent. Yeah, okay, that's
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your friends about it. Hey eightsixty six talk gun Give me a shout.
That's from the go figure category.The city of Akron, Ohio,
is called off large weekend events amidsafety concerns from eight city council members.
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They said, yeah, we hada shooting, we had people being shot,
and so we're going to cancel allthese public outdoor events. You could
actually just find the people who areshooting people and arrest them and put them
in jail and keep them there.It's just kind of a I don't know,
a wild concept. Or you couldjust cancel events and say, Okay,
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we can't have people getting together therebecause there are bad people out there.
Next you're gonna say we can't walkthe streets because there are bad people
out there. But you know what, when you catch the bad people,
arrest them, prosecute them, putthem in jail. While they are in
jail, we have found that peoplein jail do not commit crimes on the
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street. Strange, huh, interestinghow that happens. All right here,
let's go to Stan in Missouri.He Stan father says, story, go
for it. Hey, Tom,Yeah, real quick story. When I
was just very young, my dadtook me hunting with my uncle and my
grandpa, and I probably wasn't dressedfor the occasion. I like the froze
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to death. But my dad madeit memorable because he took the occasion of
really drilled gun safety into my head. And you know, taught me about
the safe way to carry a gunwhen you're in a group, and how
to pass it, you know,through the fence if you're having to climb
a fence. And then years later, I was probably maybe ten, eleven
twelve, he let me take aStevenson single shot lever Action twenty two out
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hunting in the woods by myself.We found two of them in the coal
cellar of the house that we movedinto. One had an octagon shape barrel
and the other one had a roundbarrel, and let me take that out
squirrel hunting. So I just reallyappreciated the fact that my dad really,
you know, taught me proper,properly as far as gun safety. There
is a sense of a right ofpassage when you grow up, you know,
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shooting, getting the training, andyou hit the point where your dad
or your mom says, okay,you can go out and shoot by yourself,
or you can help by yourself.You don't have to have an adult
with you. That is a demarcationpoint because they are trusting you to go
out there on your own and besafe with a very powerful tool, don't
you think, oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course it was
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just a single shot, you know, and the lever action. But still,
yeah, it's it's a it canbe a dangerous implement, you know,
in the hands of somebody that's nottrained properly. So it really made
me feel, you know, goodthat they trusted me, you know,
to go out by myself. Andand I've always you know, remembered that
and tried to do the same withmy kids, you know, and impress
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upon them, you know, theit's the importance of gun safety. Yep,
exactly right now, I'm with thegreat story. I appreciate that.
Yeah, it is true. Iguess I was eleven when dad let me
go out put me on it.He put me down at the base of
a tree and left me there deerhunting, and I got my first deer,
got a shot with a three toheight rifle semi automatic. Oh my
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gosh, sen me automatic. Yeah, I was eleven years old and I
shot a deer with a three toeight semi automatic. But that meant a
lot to me that he would,you know, up to that point,
I had hunted only with him,and he said, yeah, I'm gonna
leave you here. It's up tome to be safe. It's up to
me to make good decisions that meanta lot to me. It could mean
a lot to any young person,boy or girl. They need mentoring.
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And if you don't have somebody inyour family, you can enter, you
can volunteer. There are lots ofways for you to get involved and help
young people learn gun safety. Maybeget into the range, maybe even take
them out hunting, look around.Contact your game and Fish department. They
may have a way for you todo that. In the meantime, if
your dad's still around, give hima call, say thanks, appreciate it.
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Dad. If he's not around,remember your dad and tell the stories
because the stories are powerful, verygood stuff. All right after showtime now
if you want to join me forthat, eat six' six talk done.
In the meantime, Happy Father's Dayto all the dads and granddad's out
there. Thank you for everything you'vedone for all of us. Have yourself
a safe and wonderful week. We'llcatch you here next time.
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Of course our number is eighty sixsix Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun,
whichever works best for you. Nowyou know, I'm a reader.
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I always been a reader. Iguess that comes with part of the territory
when you're a writer and an editoras well. Grew up son of a
writer and book author, So Ijust love good books and it's always a
pleasure to bring in Jack Carr.He's got a brand new book, Red
Sky Morning, and he just gotback. Jack, you just got back
in from Normandy celebrating the eightieth anniversaryof D Day. What was that like?
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It was absolutely incredible, what withthe best station. I was at
the eightieth anniversary commemoration events of PearlHarbor in December of twenty twenty one.
Brought my daughter, who at thetime was fifteen, over to help out
with these veterans, getting them toand from these events. Then for the
D Day events of twenty twenty two, we did that again and this time
came back for the eightieth and theseguys are all creeping up on or at
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one hundred years old, some ofthem over one hundred years old, and
now you're taking them back to thebattlefields on which they fought. But what's
really amazing about the whole experience isjust how all the people of northern France
come out to support these guys.You've never seen so many American flags,
even on any small town in America. On Fourth of July, there are
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more flags in nobody, eighty fourflags, hundred and first airborne flags everywhere,
and the people come out. Andwhat's great about it is not just
the people who maybe were young innineteen forty four, but multi generation passed
on what happened on D Day andthat liberation to their kids, and now
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to their kids, and now totheir kids. So it's a multi generational
thing. You can see it intheir eyes. They're so appreciative, so
thankful, and they absolutely love theseguys. It's like nothing I've ever before.
Wow, that's amazing. I mean, obviously for Americans there was a
great sacrifice, but for the French, it was the salvation of their freedom
exactly exactly. They were, ofcourse, and then liberated, and they
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do not have not forgotten who liberatedthem. And these guys, I think
we have a little bit of amisconception about how old these guys were when
they came across the beaches at Normandybecause of books like our movies, like
say, in Private Ryan, yousee Tom Hanks, who I don't know,
you've maybe forty five when he filmedthat or something along those lines,
or you see The Longest Day andyou see John Wayne in there, and
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these guys, some of them liedabout their age, forged birth certificates came
in at fifteen. You had theseguys going across the beaches. You know,
they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,nineteen, twenty years old and they
are young. So I think wehave a little bit of misconception about who
actually ran across those beaches through machinegun fire and in liberated France. Amazing.
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Now for those who don't know,I mean, you had your own
history as a warrior. You werea CeAl, You've been on deployments a
lot of places, and that obviouslypermeates a lot of your books, the
thrillers, the James Reese's character iscertainly an amalgamation, but it's also there's
a lot of not only just you, but people you've known in your character.
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James Reese, Sure. I meanI wanted to capture the mindset of
a modern day warrior without having to, let's say, interview a sniper who
worked in Ramadi at the height ofthe war. And I don't have to
interview that person and then have thoseanswers get filtered through whatever preconceived notions I
might have had as an author orresearcher. But movies I've seen, other
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books, I've read, documentaries I'vewatched. It comes all right from the
heart. So it goes right frommy heart and soul into every single word
without any of those filters. BecauseI just remember what it was like to
be a sniper in Ramadi or whatit was like to get ambushed in Baghdad.
I don't have to interview someone tryto figure out what it felt like.
I can take those feelings and applythem directly to the fictional narrative.
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So it's very therapeutic, and Ithink it resonates with readers because they can
tell that the feelings and emotions behindwhat happens in these novels, particularly to
the antagonists, are real coming froma real place, you know. For
the listeners of gun Talk, oneof the things I would like to let
them know is that if you likereading, if you like thrillers, you're
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like novels, and you're into guns. You've got an awful lot of technical
gun stuff, not just guns,but m and accessories and packs and sites
and optics and a lot of namesof people we know, and you know,
gear we know, and the companieswe know. You are very much
into this world. Well, I'vealways been a gear guy before my time
(04:46):
in the military. I was agear person. Certainly throughout my time in
the Seal Teams. I got touse a lot of this gear downrange,
test a lot of gear out andI remain a gear guy to this day,
and of course always interested in weaponsfrom my earliest days all the way
through the Seal Teams, and thatall continues today. So it would be
very odd for me just to saythat he picked up a shotgun, or
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you know, he drew his pistolor something like that, because as you
know, and I'm sure your listenersalso know, when they see somebody what
they carry, how they carry it. Tells you a lot about them,
tells you a lot about their trainingand their background. And I'm not just
talking about their weapons, but certainlythat's a very key component. So you
see a cock in lock nineteen elevenand a leather pulsure on a leather belt,
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you see that tells you something aboutthat person, a little different than
a striker fire pistol and a kayitexrig appendix carried like that tells you something
about that person, what they havetrained, kind of the generation they came
up in, so it tells youabout them, and that doesn't say anything
about their The shoes that they're wearing, the boots that they're wearing, their
pants, their hat, you know, all those things, the car that
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they pull up in. All thosethings tell a story, tell you a
little bit about someone. So Iuse them in the novel as well.
And for me it's I don't haveto google a Navy seal knife and see
what pops up, and then youknow, you put that into the books
like that's that's not how it goes. And sometimes if you're a person that
has a background similar to mine andyou're reading a book or watching a movie
and you see the protagonist carry somethingthat probably is sealed, would never have
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carried or is warring, like ashirt that said you know Navy seals or
had this best Navy seals or somethinglike that. It's kind of takes you
out of the story a bit,so I say, I just stay true
to my true to my background andpersonal experience. No, it makes the
perfect sense. If somebody's carrying nineteeneleven and who Mills, Sparks Holster,
there are some things that you canunderstand about that person right off the bat,
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exactly exactly, and I love todo that. It would be very
unnatural for me not to incorporate weaponsand gear into the story as a way
to, uh, to give alittle bit of background on somebody that I'm
describing. And for those who areinto this, as you cruise through the
acknowledgments in the back, there arenames and references that a lot of people
will know and they actually make theirway into the story. You know,
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the Clinton, Maddy Smith, LarryVickers, the gear that the folks from
sig. I mean, this isan area where people will go, oh,
yeah, I know those people areI've actually trained with those people.
So there's a connection for a lotof people in the gun world here.
Oh absolutely, I've done that fromthe first book onward, and it's just
it's very natural for me to doso I think that is forced. None
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of that is shoehorned in. Nothingis that because of someone sponsoring he or
anything like that. That's not howit works at all. It's all very
natural when I get to those placesin the book where there's an opportunity to
add color at flavor to the storyby incorporating those people, those companies,
that gear, and I certainly takethe opportunity to do that, but it's
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always in a very natural way,all right, So bring us Obviously the
book is terrific, Red Sky morning, it's out, or we'll be out
in just the next couple of dayshere. But you just got back from
Buddhapest, and so your novels Ihave leaped across to the big screen.
Tell us what you were doing thereand what's going on with this transition to
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movies and TV. That's right.Well, the first book, The Terminal
List, was adapted to a televisionshow starring Chris Pratt. Came out in
the summer of twenty twenty two,and it did very well. Of course
Amazon will never share exactly how wellit did. They hold that kind of
all those tech companies hold that datavery close. But it did quite well,
and they ordered two more seasons.So that's a spinoff series with Chris
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Pratt is in three of those sevenepisodes and focuses on the Taylor Kitch character
Ben Edwards. So let's see alittle spoiler alert here for those who have
not watched Red. But he doessomething in the Terminal List, and this
new spinoff series goes back in time. It's a prequel origin story shows how
he got to that place where hecould do what he does in the Terminal
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List. So I could not behappier with how that is going. The
scripture incredible. Taylor Kitch is crossingit on set, as is the whole
cast and crew overseas right now.And it starts off like action and then
it moves into action stays with it, but it moves into more espionage thriller
space. So I'm super excited aboutthat. And then we should start filming
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True Believer, the second novel inthe series starring Chris Pratt, sometime in
twenty twenty five. So it's go, go go. I guess it is
all right, I got to switchjust for a second or something, just
near and dear to my heart andclearly to yours. And I'm a reader.
You're clearly a reader that you makereferences in the book. And I
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grew up reading Robert Ruurke and Ernestk. Ghann, and my dad was
good friends with Cornelis Ryan, Andyou're going, okay, these are the
people I knew and know. AndI guess what I would like to have
you just touch on is you actuallyhelp direct people to some of these great
writers to say, you know what, if you're liking my book, you
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may like some of these others thatyou're unfamiliar with. Oh, absolutely talk
about that as much as I possiblycan. Reading. We've kind of we've
lost that in this country a littlebit because of all the distractions that are
out there, especially for the youngergeneration that's just coming into their own now.
There are so many other distractions thatweren't out there in the seventies,
(10:16):
eighties and nineties when I was growingup. And now you're not just competing
with let's say, books are notjust competing with a movie on the weekend
or a TV show that you wantto watch at eight o'clock, nine o'clock
or ten o'clock at night that youwait for every week. Now you're competing
with every single video game out there, every stringle, single streaming service out
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there, available of course on demand, every single social media platform YouTube.
So there's a lot more options outthere for people these days. And as
a country, we're really reading lessand less and less, So I try
to convert people to reading all thetime. I think podcasts are a great
way to do that because it's verynatural medium to switch over to an audiobook.
(10:58):
And Ray Porter reads my audiobook,Senior rates them. He's fantastic.
It's just really at the top ofthe narration game. And so I'm hoping
that the audiobooks are almost a gatewaydrug to reading physical books and putting the
phone down, closing the computer,turning off through your email and just me
sit in front of the fire,or you know, waking up in the
morning and starting your day with abook where there's nothing else electronic around.
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But there's so much to being ableto sit there quietly and read without interruption
that can build a foundation upon whichto build wherever you're going in life.
And that was the steams and nowas an author of these thrillers. But
really reading is the foundation of allof it. So I'm trying to convert
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new readers with every chance I get. Well, and reality is and discs
down weird to some people. Readingis absolutely the most immersive activity you can
have in terms of media. Oh, it absolutely is. And I think
it was general Mattis. He said, functionally there is no difference between a
person who can't read and a personwho doesn't read. I might be a
little off on that oo, butlike the general. Yeah, well,
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Jack, congratulations on the new book, Red Sky Morning. It is out.
You can get it, of course, everywhere you can get books.
And if this is your first timeto read a Jack Carr book, you
grab this one and then you startbacking your way through and you can see,
you know, read all the restof them. Just congratulations on all
the successes you're having. Oh,thank you so much. I feel extremely
fortunate and absolutely love every single partof this. So thank you so much
(12:31):
for all you do. Well,thank you all right, eighty six to
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' six Talkgun or Tom Talkgun,both of gets you in there. Had
visiting conversation actually Ryan my son whoruns gun Talk Media, and they were
shooting First Person Defender this week orsome segments for it. First Person Defenders
in the series where regular people aredropped into self defense scenarios using semunitions,
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or you might call it high speedpaintball. It could be an ATM robbery,
a carjacking, an attempt at kidnapping, attempt to rape any number of
scenarios. We pull a lot ofour stories straight out of the news,
stories about crime. And Ryan saidsomething that was interesting to me, and
(15:39):
I pulled something out of it thatmaybe he hadn't thought of. And he
said, at the end of theweek, after going through this, he
says, he was just very fatiguedand very stressed. And yes, you're
producing television, which this is,and you've got I mean as many as
ten or fourteen cameras and you're managingall of those, and you've got people
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going in all directions. Yes,it's a lot, but that really wasn't
what it was. He said.After he thought about it, he realized
that, particularly the last scenario hesaid, which was very violent, it
really was working on him. AndI told him, I said, you
know, part of that is becauseyou have a good imagination. It's very
creative, and when you have agood imagination, you can insert yourself into
(16:27):
the situation so that you feel asthough it's happening to you. And so
it really worked on him. Isaid, But here's the other takeaway from
this, and it goes back tosomething that we said four years which is
sports psychologists tell us that you can'tthink about an event or competing an event
(16:51):
or doing something and sit there inyour big easy chair and think about it
over and over and make the skirun or make the run in a three
gun competition, or you know,score the time down and mentally you're doing
it through your imagination, but it'sactually for your brain very little different from
actually being there and doing that thing. My point in this is that force
(17:19):
on force training is so very effectivebecause when you get into the middle of
it, it's not a game,it's not a pretend. If you are
at all a serious person, itbecomes utterly real. Your heart rate goes
up every I mean, all thereactions you would get in an attack happen,
(17:41):
and you have to learn to dealwith that. So I just I
offer that as a way of saying, if you get a chance to go
take force on force training somewhere,do not pass it up. Just go
do it. Hey, let's grabFrank online to out a roundup Montana.
Frank, tell me your father's daystory. Yeah, but swallowed three fifty
(18:02):
seven magnum And there's also thirty eightspecial and I loaded it up for him
and the thirty eight specials and saidyou go, oh, go ahead and
shoot it. I had six roundsin there, but the last round was
a three fifty seven magnum and andhe fought shot the first three and he
said, well, that don't kickthat bad. And I said, no,
(18:26):
they don't kick bad. And thenfinally the last shot that they give
them a kind of a good jolt. And he looked at me, and
then he looked at the box andhe's reading on the box and he says,
be careful when you handle lead shells. That exposed the lead will give
you a card brain damage. AndI kind of laughed. And my dad
(18:52):
and I always got along good,but I almost thought that was the first
time he was gonna slap me onthe back of it. He just kind
of stared at me for a secondand then all of a sudden, we
busts is not laughing together. Well, that's a kind of story that you
can build good memories about as longas nobody was hurt and nobody got mad.
(19:15):
It's kind of a fun thing todo to show off the difference in
recoil. There it's a surprise.So there you go, Thanks Frank.
I appreciate that. Yeah, youknow, for me, I guess the
stories about Dad me growing up,there were a lot of were about guns
and shooting. A lot of ourtypical birthdays and Christmas is the presence usually
(19:37):
came in a long box shotgun toa rifle of some sort. Starting off
with their guns and bbguns whatever,just fun stuff. When I was really
young, you remember the Daisy Modeltwenty five. It was a pump action
bbgun, not a pelt gun bbgun, but you had kind of a scissor
arm on the pump and when you'relittle, you have your hand underneath the
(20:00):
scissor part and if it's not pushedall the way forward, when it goes
off, it will peech you.Oh baby, that hurts. But Dad
would go to the local wholesaler andbuy a case of bbes at a time,
and my brother and I would shootBB guns until we wore them out.
(20:21):
You didn't think you could wear outa BB gun, but let me
tell you, if you're shooting threeor four hundred BB's a day. And
we would just wander the neighborhood.We wouldn't terrorize anybody, but we did
go out on the lake and turtlesand snakes were off in our victims and
paddling around in boats and canoes andjust going at it. So that was
(20:45):
that was tons of fun. Ican tell you there is a value at
shooting BB guns as opposed to pelletguns. With a pellet gun, the
velocity of SUTs that you can't seethe pellet BB guns. Spring power BB
guns, the BB goes so slowlyyou can actually see it in flight and
you can tell where you're missing.And I learned to walk those shots in.
(21:08):
I learned to make hits with aBB gun at fifty and sixty yards.
You also learn a little bit aboutwind drift because you could see the
BB's drifting off. You can seethe drop of the arc. I get
to practice holding a little bit highor exposing a little bit more of the
(21:29):
front fight to hold high. It'sactually a really good way to develop skills.
And people may pooh poo the ideaof a BB gun, but I
got to tell you. You takea regular spring powered, simple BB gun
or CO two powered and go outto the range with it, or right
to the backyard if you have aplace where you can shoot like that.
And I don't care if you're knockingover ten cans are shooting wafers, rich
(21:52):
crackers or anything like that. It'sjust fun. I mean, hand to
somebody else and they're going to havefun as well. And you're liable to
revive some of those memories of youwith your dad shooting BB guns way back
when. Wrap yourself a BB guntons of five. All right, that
(22:19):
bridy. We have Tom and Pauland we have room for you. If
you want to join us right now, just call me An eight sixty six
gun Line two. Tom's out ofWest Fargo, Dor Dakota. Thank you
for your pasting there, Tom,what's on your mind? Yes, sir,
I'm the third generation of a Modelsix at Winchester, Model sixty three.
It's a twenty two rifle. I'mthird generation, but first generation to
(22:42):
shoot it. My grandfather bought it. Before he bought it right before he
had surgery in Rochester back in thefifties. He died before he could shoot
the gun. My dad never shotthe gun, and my dad gave it
to me over fifty years ago.Holy cow, So third generation you got
(23:03):
the unfired gun, that's right.And I used it a lot, so
much so that I wore out thefirst spring went to a very good gunspent.
He put the spring en. It'sbecause it's got a two feet through
the stock, right, I believetwelve ten or maybe it's eleven, but
(23:23):
I wore out the first spring heput it in, and if fires,
the only thing I use in thereis American Egle twenty two. The only
thing I use it's the cleanup bookburning that I've had for that gun.
Yeah, that's the deal with twentytwo is you got to find the one
that works for you, and thenwhen that amma works for you, go
buy a whole bunch of it.Absolutely, And I don't have any kids,
(23:47):
so I can't pass it on.I'm not sure what to do with
it, but it'll go to someplacespecial. I will make sure that.
But anyway, Yeah, first generationof a third generation gun. That is
very cool, great story, Tom, I appreciate that. All right,
let's grab Paul on three out ofmore Head, Minnesota. Paul, you're
on Gun Talk. What you gotthere? Hey? Tom, I'm just
(24:10):
calling tell you about my dad's Winchester. My dad died when I was twelve,
and I just stayed in my mom'shouse. And when I was eighteen,
eighteen years old, I took thatgun because my mom didn't care.
I got it. It's a Winchesterin ninety four twenty five thirty five.
It was manfactured in nineteen oh six. It's about eighty eighty five percent condition.
(24:37):
It's a twenty six octagon barrel takedownand I don't know what the gun's
worth. It's probably two thousand andthree thousand dollars. I don't know.
Never really cared, but my dadused it for deer hunting, and he
shot some deer with I don't knowhow many. I know. When I
was hunting with my uncle when Iwas in my early thirties, he told
me that I had already shot moredeer than my dad did, and I'm
(25:03):
going to have a deer hunter.I've probably shot over forty deer now.
But I've never used that gun fordeer hunting. I'd like to, but
that's the gun that he used deerhunting, and I don't know how many
gun deer he shot, but reallya nice I've got twenty boxes of shelves
for it, and once soos aregone, if I ever go out and
shoot it again, because I justusually go out and target practice a little
bit, but when those boxes ofAmma are gone. I won't have any
(25:26):
more AMMO because I can't find thatstuff and I don't know it. Paul,
let me get me throw an ideaat you. Okay, I think
I think you got to take thatrifle deer hunting. You already know how
to deer. Huh, you're successfuldeer hunh You're probably gonna deer. And
I'm going to go a step further. I think you got to carry a
picture your dad with you. Wouldyou go out and kill a deer with
(25:47):
that gun? What do you think? I've got a picture of my dad
with one of the dos he shoton my phone. Oh you know what,
Go get yourself a deer with thatrifle and get a picture of you
similar to that picture. Now you'llhave the two of them together. What
does it mean to you that youhave your dad's rifle? It means everything,
(26:11):
because I believe that's the only riflemy dad had. He had some
shotguns. He loved duck hunting,and I've got his. It was a
J. C. Higgins, justa cheap shotgun. But the action on
those j C. Higgins is phenomenal, I think. But that's yeah,
(26:33):
But you realize that that rifle isalmost one hundred and twenty years old.
I know it is, and Iknow it's worth something because it's a takedown.
Oh even better. Yeah, andit's an octagon barrel and takedown.
And all right, you gotta goget a deer with that rifle. Man,
you gotta do that. You andyour dad doing the same thing with
(26:55):
the same rifle. I guess I'mgonna have to try that next fall.
There you go, all right,you take care, all right. Story
out of the news reporters from theBabylon be titled this came out on Friday,
when the Supreme Court ruled that theATF cannot in fact ban bumpstocks.
(27:17):
The headline is all bump stocks lostin boating accidents back in nineteen and twenty
seventeen miraculously wash up on shore DaylineUS. And one of the most remarkable
miracles in human history. The thousandsof bumpstocks that went missing seven years ago
(27:37):
in boating accidents all simultaneously washed ashoreand have been reunited with their owners.
Quote, wow, my bumpstock washedashore and just a day after the Supreme
Court ruling overturn of the band,said local man Omar Gonzalez. It goes
on and on. It's a great, hilarious fun story from the people over
(28:03):
at the Babylon b They do greatstuff. Let's see, I got time
to do this line five buds withus out of Grand Cain, Louisiana.
Hello Bud, Hey Tom, howyou doing today? I am good.
You know Grand Cain is where TerryBradshaw's from. Yeah, I might live
on a road that bears his name, I'll be darn. Yeah. Back
(28:25):
when I knew Terry, that's wherehe lived. And we got we got
a great video on our website onYouTube channel of my dad fishing with Terry
Bradshaw and it's just hilarious the twoof them together. Anyway, I digress,
I digress. You got a storyto tell? Well, I got
a question. Really, my sonwas passed down an old Winchester lever action.
(28:47):
I don't have any information on it. We went to try to shoot
it out in the pasture and clickclick good a little looking the firing pin
was removed from it. I'm notfamiliar at all with that platform, and
I can't find anybody between Shreveport andNaked Ish so far that could tell me
a reason why the fire and pinmight have been removed, like was it
(29:11):
d miled for safety reasons? Idon't know. I don't know. You
know, it could have. Itcould have been taken to a show somewhere
like shots show requires that firing pinsbe removed, so it could have been
an exhibit or a show gun somewhere. Let me ask you, are you
still trying to get it worked onor get it going? If I could
(29:34):
find somebody that would take a lookat it that knows what they're doing.
You're not that far from hout andLouisiana. Have you tried Clark Custom Guns?
Are they still doing gunsmithing? Asfar as I know, I haven't
heard you know, of course,you know the go to now is Facebook
(29:55):
and Clark's. Wasn't even a recommendationfrom anybody that comment. Yeah, well
you know it's social media. Giveme a break, uh, Carl,
You just pick up the phone andCallum, call Clark and say look,
this is what I got, andthey'll eve to tell you they can or
they can't, and I would trustthem. Or if they can't, then
ask them who do you know whomight be able to because they know everybody
(30:18):
in the area, so that wouldbe in that area where you are.
That would be my first go towould be Clark Custom Guns now here you
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about guns on radio. This isway too much fun. Oh by the
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ends up. But we knew thiswas coming. We knew. I mean,
they've been anti gun all along andthey have all these restrictions. Now
they're gonna have new ones, suchas you cannot show building a gun that
(32:45):
is assembling an AR fifteen or attachinga muzzle brake to it or any of
the other things we do to attachaccessories. You can't show making ammunition as
in oh yeah, reloading or handloading. It goes on and on, and
it has the potential for both beingthe death of gun related videos on YouTube.
(33:10):
But also encouraging a better, newervenue for gun related videos. We'll
see how that goes. We sawthis coming many years ago. We knew
it was going to happen. Andwhile we do have our videos on YouTube,
we also have them other places.And then we created our own video
feed at gun talkTV dot com.Now we've got gun talk dot com,
(33:35):
which is the landing page. Butif you want to see our videos and
not go to YouTube, you goto gun talkTV dot com and that will
get you in there. Uh,let's see here. Line one. Pete's
in Texas. Hey Pete, what'sgoing on? You're gotting me lucky devil
for what's going on? Mister Gresham? Yes, sir, I have been
(34:00):
hoarding since nineteen eighty four. We'llsend me your address. Well, I
actually I live in a bunker.Well I have been accused of broadcasting from
a bunker. But well that's nottrue. But that's cool. So what
(34:23):
kind of stuff do you hoard?Oh it goes bang, I got it.
Sounds okay to me. Yeah,No, I was thinking outside the
box as I usually do, andat the gun show that sure is a
pretty holster. I'll give you thegun price for that. Holster if you'll
(34:45):
throw the gun in for free.Okay, I'm kind of lost. What
are we trying to do here?Okay, I'll give you to say you
agreed on a five hundred dollars fora pistol in a holster. I'll just
give you five hundred dollars for aholster if you'll throw the gun in free.
(35:07):
What are you trying to do here? I mean, what if you're
buying from somebody at a gun show, if they're not a dealer, there's
not a record of it. Anyway, There you go, so everybody's happy.
I'm just not understanding why you woulddo that. What's the big deal?
Well? Why not keeps everybody jumpingon the toes heads? Well,
(35:29):
you know what, and if itmakes you smile, it makes you happy,
go for it. I appreciate that, sir. Let me run down
to Wes online. Four out ofWhite Sulfur Springs, Montana, Wes.
You're on gun talk. What's goingon here? Oh? I've just I've
been looking for a gun that mybrother took from me when I didn't even
know it was missing. An oldguy gave it to me. He owned
a big ranch up here at Whiteself or Jim Stewart, and I always
(35:52):
called him Uncle Jim. I wasborn on the ranch. He gave me
a Henry original Henry serial number nine, and I put it in my clause
that I never paid much attention toit after that. My brother was dying
about three years ago, and hesaid he wanted to talk to me.
So I went down to talk tohim, and he said, I took
(36:15):
your gun, and I sent itdown with a friend of mine and he
sold it for me. And Isaid, what gun did you take?
He said, that old Henry thatUncle Jim gave you. But anyway,
I just wondered if anybody could couldfind it. I didn't know whether Uncle
Jim had cut the barrel down,but the front sight had been replaced,
(36:37):
you know, you could see ithad been replaced. So I was just
wondering if anybody out there had seenthe gun or knew anything about what happened.
Let me ask you, did youreport it? Of course you may
not have even known it was gone. You didn't reported stolen, did you.
If this has been like ten ortwelve years now, or even maybe
longer, I don't know when hetook it, I hadn't paid any attention
(36:59):
to it until he told me itwas gone. Well, do you know
the man that he gave it toand who's ended up selling it. I
mean, I'm just trying to thinkof how you could talk again. That
he gave it to a friend ofhis and he took it down to I
think he took it to Nevada orArizona's. I think that gun's gone.
Man. I'm sorry, but Idon't know of a way to recover that.
(37:22):
Well, probably didn't recover. Butif I thought if somebody knew or
if they had the gun, theycould maybe tell me what they got for
it, I'd give him the moneyback for the gun, because it was
a keepsake from Uncle Jim, andI'd just like to have it back.
Okay, as an old Henry,what was a serial number? Nine two
six? If somebody hears of it, sees it, knows of it,
(37:44):
we got your phone number, they'llcontact us. We'll put you together with
him. How's that? Yeah?All right, I appreciate that. I
mean, there you go. Letme see all right, we're probably up
against our clock here. Yeah,we don't quite have quite enough time.
We'll sam, we'll hold you overif you'd like to join us. We're
kind of swapping stories, particularly Father'sDay stories, stories about dads, the
(38:06):
guns that we passed down, andyou could give us a holler. I'd
love to hear those stories. We'veeven bring you back and put you in
the after show. Speaking of aftershow, Yeah, we made a couple
of changes in our podcast and peopleare a little bit confused. We use
a different service. It's going tosound a little bit different, but it
(38:27):
is really good. We're happy.We're very early into it, but it's
working for so. Yeah, thepodcast is going to sound a slightly different,
but I think the feed is goingto be good for everybody. So
if you're a podcast listener, justunderstand that's what's going on when you say,
oh wow, that's a little bitdifferent. Yeah, okay, that's
the inside baseball thing here. Butthe Gun Talk podcast is available literally anywhere
(38:49):
you get podcasts, so you know, keep listening and share it and tell
your friends about it. Hey eightsixty six talk gun Give me a shout.
That's from the go figure category.The city of Akron, Ohio,
is called off large weekend events amidsafety concerns from eight city council members.
(39:15):
They said, yeah, we hada shooting, we had people being shot,
and so we're going to cancel allthese public outdoor events. You could
actually just find the people who areshooting people and arrest them and put them
in jail and keep them there.It's just kind of a I don't know,
a wild concept. Or you couldjust cancel events and say, Okay,
(39:37):
we can't have people getting together therebecause there are bad people out there.
Next you're gonna say we can't walkthe streets because there are bad people
out there. But you know what, when you catch the bad people,
arrest them, prosecute them, putthem in jail. While they are in
jail, we have found that peoplein jail do not commit crimes on the
(40:01):
street. Strange, huh, interestinghow that happens. All right here,
let's go to Stan in Missouri.He Stan father says, story, go
for it. Hey, Tom,Yeah, real quick story. When I
was just very young, my dadtook me hunting with my uncle and my
grandpa, and I probably wasn't dressedfor the occasion. I like the froze
(40:23):
to death. But my dad madeit memorable because he took the occasion of
really drilled gun safety into my head. And you know, taught me about
the safe way to carry a gunwhen you're in a group, and how
to pass it, you know,through the fence if you're having to climb
a fence. And then years later, I was probably maybe ten, eleven
twelve, he let me take aStevenson single shot lever Action twenty two out
(40:49):
hunting in the woods by myself.We found two of them in the coal
cellar of the house that we movedinto. One had an octagon shape barrel
and the other one had a roundbarrel, and let me take that out
squirrel hunting. So I just reallyappreciated the fact that my dad really,
you know, taught me proper,properly as far as gun safety. There
is a sense of a right ofpassage when you grow up, you know,
(41:15):
shooting, getting the training, andyou hit the point where your dad
or your mom says, okay,you can go out and shoot by yourself,
or you can help by yourself.You don't have to have an adult
with you. That is a demarcationpoint because they are trusting you to go
out there on your own and besafe with a very powerful tool, don't
you think, oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course it was
(41:35):
just a single shot, you know, and the lever action. But still,
yeah, it's it's a it canbe a dangerous implement, you know,
in the hands of somebody that's nottrained properly. So it really made
me feel, you know, goodthat they trusted me, you know,
to go out by myself. Andand I've always you know, remembered that
and tried to do the same withmy kids, you know, and impress
(41:58):
upon them, you know, theit's the importance of gun safety. Yep,
exactly right now, I'm with thegreat story. I appreciate that.
Yeah, it is true. Iguess I was eleven when dad let me
go out put me on it.He put me down at the base of
a tree and left me there deerhunting, and I got my first deer,
got a shot with a three toheight rifle semi automatic. Oh my
(42:19):
gosh, sen me automatic. Yeah, I was eleven years old and I
shot a deer with a three toeight semi automatic. But that meant a
lot to me that he would,you know, up to that point,
I had hunted only with him,and he said, yeah, I'm gonna
leave you here. It's up tome to be safe. It's up to
me to make good decisions that meanta lot to me. It could mean
a lot to any young person,boy or girl. They need mentoring.
(42:43):
And if you don't have somebody inyour family, you can enter, you
can volunteer. There are lots ofways for you to get involved and help
young people learn gun safety. Maybeget into the range, maybe even take
them out hunting, look around.Contact your game and Fish department. They
may have a way for you todo that. In the meantime, if
your dad's still around, give hima call, say thanks, appreciate it.
(43:04):
Dad. If he's not around,remember your dad and tell the stories
because the stories are powerful, verygood stuff. All right after showtime now
if you want to join me forthat, eat six' six talk done.
In the meantime, Happy Father's Dayto all the dads and granddad's out
there. Thank you for everything you'vedone for all of us. Have yourself
a safe and wonderful week. We'llcatch you here next time.
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