Auctioning Beautiful Guns; Long Range Pistol Shooting; Short Secret Service Agents: 07.14.24 Hour 3

In This Hour: 

-- Roy Huntington, editor and publisher of American Handgunner and Guns magazines, is selling part of his gun collection on Gun Broker.

--  Long range handgun shooting isn't that difficult, and it's fun.

-- Wondering why the Secret Service assigns short agents to protect Donald Trump.

Tom Gresham's Gun Talk 07.14.24 Hour 3

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Episode Transcript

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The Ruger LC carbine is the ultimaterange companion, chambered in five seven by
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right back with you, Tom Gresh. If you're eight to sixty six,
talk gun or Tom, talkgun willget you in. We're pretty much open
lines. If there's something you wantto talk about, or a gun you

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want to tell us about, wellthat's fine, we'll do that. We
call it the range Reports, whereyou tell us what you've been shooting or
buying, or selling or selling,he says, selling guns. Yeah,
sometimes sometimes we have to upgrade,you know, sell three, buy one
cool one that's got Along those lines, you know, there are guns that
we have guns for a lot ofdifferent reasons. Sometimes they're just utilitarian and

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we carry them, we shoot them. Some we just really like them because
they're pretty. Some we hand downas heirlooms that stay in the family.
And sometimes there are guns that kindof come with a history that means something
to us in addition to being gorgeous. And we want to talk about a
few of those right now. Butfirst of me. Bring him. He's

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a friend of mine. He isthe real deal when it comes to gun
writers gun editors, because there aresome pretenders out there, people would have
a as I say, a littlebit of knowledge that they stretch as far
as they can. But Roy Huntingtonis the real deal. He's written over
twenty five hundred firearm related articles.He's been the editor and publisher of American
Handgunner Guns magazine, some others,doing videos, doing a lot of stuff.

(01:30):
Roy, welcome, How are you, my friend? I was wondering
who the heck you were talking about. I'm sorry that I was talking about
your wife. I'm sorry, It'sright, Yeah, probably sus Susie is
really good this stuff too. Bythe way, yes, as we know
she is, don't remind her.Okay, yeah, she gets the big

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head I know. So all right, So I see that you have some
of your guns, at least afew of them that you are selling,
and I know what happens. Wetalked about this. We got to get
to a point where saying, okay, maybe I've been buying and collecting these
guns for an entire lifetime and itmight be time to start letting some of
them go. But you have someof the more interesting specialized. Yeah.

(02:16):
I was gonna say rare, butthat's not even correct. And the truest
sension of the words, several ofthem are truly unique. So what's the
story here? Well, you know, Tom, you and I've both done
this a thousand times. As yougo and you buy a kind of a
just a run of the mill gunsbecause it happens to take your fancy,

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you know. And so now herewe are with a polymer pistol or a
three hundred dollars bult ection hunting rifle. And then a little while later we
go, why did we do thisagain? You know? Yes, yeah,
you know, we all have adrawer full of them or a safeful
of them. And I'm a strongadvocate after all these years of being in
the business of as you said before, sell some guns and buy a few

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or better. But and because thepayoff is instantaneous, I know, we
all have guns where you look atit and you go, well, this
is really nice that g I wishit had this or you know, this
is really neat but a g Iwish it was this caliber. Well,
I can encourage people too much togo out and buy that dream gun.

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I mean, why have a safeof ten or twelve guns that you hardly
ever shoot. Why don't you gettwo or three that are really something that
you like. And that's what I'veconcentrated on doing well. And there are
guns, I mean, look,the latest plastic, fantastic works and it'll
shoot, and you can carry itand do all those things. But as

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somebody once said, but does itgive you joy? And there are guns
that give you joy. When youtake them out of the safe and hold
them in your hand, you go, wow, that thing is just gorgeous,
or that was built by Hamilton Bowen, or that was a thing that
was the owned by so and so, and then literally every time you hold
it in your hands, you don'thave to be shooting it. You just

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enjoy having it right. Well,you know what, for me, the
guns they like, they start thiscontinuous loup of videotape and that so when
I pick up a Hamilton bone gun, now my mind goes to the conversations
we've had to talking about how whathe was going to do with a gun.
You know, and you probably knowHamilton. He's quite a philosopher too.

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He's always delightful and you know,we all have a hammer and a
screwdriver, and we all need hammersand screwdrivers, but those aren't really that
special, and so they're just tools, you know. And that's how I
look upon what I call working guns, which is like that polymer pistol we
were talking about, or you knowwhatever, a Beater nineteen eleven you're keep

(04:50):
in the truck because you live ona ranch. But like you say,
though, sometimes I think it's okayto be good to yourself. And I
see a lot of people struggle withthat. And that also goes with the
other people they say, oh guns, Oh no, I never sell the
gun. Well, I always thinkback to the old cowboy ATAG just said.

(05:10):
You know, they always looked upontheir six shooter as a meal ticket,
which means, you know, ifthey need to, they sell it.
And yeah, I mean they're notall precious diamonds. I mean,
you know, if you've got ano or not. Yeah, if you
have an old Beater Model ten thatyou bought in a pawn shop or something,
we don't look at me and say, oh no, I'll never sell

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this, Well, then you're crazy. Yeah, yeah, take I just
say, take three or five ofthose and sell them and buy you something
that, just as we say,brings you joy, which brings us to
You're auctioning off some of your guns, just some from your private collections over
on gun Broker under their collectors Eliteauctions. These are stunning. I'm looking

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at, you know, three revolversand a ninety eleven from ted yost here.
They're not in expense, but they'realso rare, to the point of
being one of the kying guns.Well, and you know, you say
they're not inexpensive, but really,you know, if you think about it,
and I'm very surprised at the peoplewho have bought some of my guns

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that and they admit to me becauseI always write a letter and I always
like to call and chat with thebuyers. Is they say, I really
kind of stretched a little bit toget this, but I'm so happy,
you know, it's such a thrillto have this now. I love it
every time I pick it up.But I have had people say, you
know what I did, was Ijust sold through or four of the guns
that I don't ever shoot and Iput that to work. Yes, And

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you're right. Once you do it, you never think about the dollars anymore.
You just think, oh my gosh, I can't believe I have this
incredible gun. You know, Ithink it was Sir Henry Royce, or
I think it was Sir Henry Royceof Rolls Royce Pain. He said,
the pain of how much you spent, you know, is long gone,
while the joy of driving your carstill remains, you know, years later.

(07:02):
Right, And yeah, and Ithink these kind of things. I
mean, the ted Yost is acase ted Yos nineteen eleven teddy Is,
I think, and I'll go onrecord and say this I've said before is
probably the finest nineteen eleven pistol smiththat I have ever known. And you
know, there's some people a littlechasing, or they might even be peers,

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but more they're a tiny handful.And of course that model twenty five
to five that Hamilton did for me. I mean, these thinks are just
sheer delight. You know, they'rejust gorgeous and they're shootable. That's the
other part of you can still shootthem even though they look gorgeous. And
you know what, that's a lotof people say that too, They say,
oh, well, I bought thisbook filled in the blank. You

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know, sometimes not even that goodof a gun and they say, oh,
but it's in really good condition,so I don't ever shoot it,
And well, you just bought upa very important point. If you have
a used gun, even if it'scollectible, you can shoot it a little
bit. That doesn't affect anything,you know. And yeah, I used
to have a pair of matched nickelplated Ivory Cult single actions. Right.

(08:07):
And I was talking to my oldfriend Eddie Janis, who crowded peacemaker specialists,
you know, he was Eddie passedaway unfortunately, but he was such
a talented he was a genius withthose guns. And I was talking to
him one day and I said,Eddie, you know, we go camping
in the desert and I never reallycarry those guns. You know, I've
got a you Birdie single action Icarry that. He's so funny. He
says, well, you're an idiotthen, and I said, I said

(08:31):
what do you mean? And Isaid, well, you know, they're
so oh gosh, they're nickel,they're ivy, they're so beautiful. You
did the action unbelievable. He said, yeah, you're an idiot. So
they're going to sit in your safeand then you're going to die and your
wife's going to sell them to someguy who's going to go pound nails with
them. You know. He said, carry carry the guns, enjoy them,
shoot them, you know, AndI'll tell you what that was.

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I don't know twenty five or thirtyyears ago. And I don't have a
safe, queen, and I neverhave, you know, I've got I
have gorgeous rifles with beautiful wood stocks, walnut stocks. People said, we
don't have with that. Well,yeah, if I get scratched, it's
just it's like a beauty mark onthere that I put on it. Because
what's the point of having it ifyou don't use it, if it just
lives in the safe well? Andyeah, I mean even these guns that

(09:18):
we're talking about here, that GaryReader, you know one off, you
know, a cult classic Vicaro thing. I mean that's irreplaceable, you know,
would I shoot it? Absolutely?You know, you and I both
know too many old guys that passaway and then they end up with a
safe full of guns, and mostof them are not ever shot, you

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know. And I think of theenjoyment I haven't ornately engraved nineteen eleven that
was done by old Terry Tussey forme and the Engravers and Terry built a
gun and it's an absolutely heartbreakingly beautiful, over the top, unbelievable looking nineteen
eleven and I shoot a stun outof it all the time, as it

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should be well, and because peoplepeople come and visit and they say,
hey, can I look at youknow? A couple of guys say sure,
and a handle that and they alwayshold it like it's some fragile piece
of crystal or are you really go? Yeah? And I usually go,
you want to shoot it? Andthey always go home, yeah, do
you really shoot? Well? Letme tell people where they can go to

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see your current auctions. If yougo to gunbroker dot com, you click
on the Collector's Elite at auctions andjust one heads up if you're looking at
this and look at the prices,Uh, there is a ten percent buyers
premium, and if you're into auctions, you understand what that is. Whatever
you bid, it's going to goup ten percent. They just add that
on to it. But these arespectacular. The photographs are gorgeous. You

(10:46):
could just spend some time just lookat them over there. Uh, you
know, let me ask you this, because you've got I think four of
them. Are you going to havesome more coming up at some point.
Yes, well, you know you'remy old friend Dwight Van Brunt from Sportsman's
Legacy is the one who's curating these, and he does have more guns,
and you'll be saying some more interestingthings. And I mean, yes,

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it pains me, but I haveto say, at my age now,
I look at things like this andI think, you know what, there
are other people out there who areas passionate as you and I are about
this stuff, and let's get themout there and let them enjoy these things
like I've enjoyed for so many years. Well, and I can tell you
I got a buddy who is watchingthat Hamilton bow and fish Paul collects that

(11:31):
Smith and Westlin and he's saying,man, I really want that, I
really want that. So there,I hope he gets it. But you
know what, as they say,you have to play to win, so
you got to get in there andget your bid in right. Tell it
hit that bid button, would you? Yes, there it is Roy.
I hope you're doing well. Iam, sir. I have no complaints
at all, and I've been retiredfrom handgunner for two years. But they

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twisted my arm. And so I'mstill writing articles and making videos and talk
and the good people like you.Well, tell Susie hi for me.
You two of our favorite people.Thank you, sir, and I will
say hi you take that card,you too, all right? Eight six
y six talk gun. If youwant to check that out, go to
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We don't We have our product testers, our field staff that's out there
all the time. Who that isyou and all the listeners. And Steve
is one of those in Fargo,North Dakota. On Line three. He
just calls in because, Steve,you've been shooting a gun that I wish
I had tell me about this.Well, they're hard to find right now,
and I've been looking for a fortyfive ACP carving for a long time.

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There weren't that many out there,and then there were some really cheap
ones or some really expensive ones,but not in that middle range. And
then Ruger came out with I can'tthink of the gun, but they made
it nine millimeter forever neat Little Carving, and they now make that in forty
five. But it was literally goingto buy it. I was at the
gun store and I had someone showit to me or asking to show it

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to me. They bring me overto the ar case and they pull out
this LC carving and it's a youknow, AR type platform, but it's
a blowback. There's no gas operated, you know, it's just a simple
mechanism in it. It is somuch fun. It's got a folding adjustable
stock. So I had my fourteenyear old shoot it. I had to

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pry it out of his hands ofthe nine year old so he could shoot
it. They had so much funit's just it's wonderful because it's big enough,
it's heavy enough, it just itfeeds glock style, you know,
format magazines into the into the pistolgrip. But the challenge I'm having right

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now my suppressor. I bought asecond forty five caliber suppressor. I want
to suppress it. They've got asixteen and a half inch barrel that those
forty fives will still be sub sonicout of that, you know, two
thirty ball out of a Yeah,they should be. They should They should
be pretty close to subsonic at thatlevel. Here's the challenge. The published

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threads on the muzzle and I'm makingthis up, but it's like zero point
five seven five by twenty eight anddon't quote me on those numbers, but
whatever the published one is. Ibought the adapter, but it won't screw
onto the carbinge, so I gotto have a gunsmith or something to look
at it. Because they that theypublished that that's the correct threads I got.

(17:03):
I have the correct adapter based onthe description of the threads, but
it will not it'll start, butit won't seat all the way down on
the barrel, so I don't know. I can't. I mean, I'm
just crazy get suppressed. But Ican't get the damn suppressor on it.
You know, I'm just thinking too. I'm looking at this. My thought
on this is, Yeah, it'dbe a lot of fun, it'd be

(17:23):
great range gun, all that goodstuff. But I don't see why this
wouldn't be one of the optimum homedefense guns. Oh absolutely, But Tom,
this is what I bought it foryou. I'm not making this up.
I've got a place on about twentyacres, which is my cabin,
and I have a shooting range andI shoot down there, so we shoot
everything pretty not high powered rifles usuallybecause on twenty acres, he just you're

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so loud. You got to kindof be nice to your neighbors. But
I want to shoot off my deck, but I don't want anything to be
loud. So I'm going to puta steel plate in the woods suppress this
forty five, and then I cansit on my deck and shift steel off
my deck without making anybody mad.You got a plan, man, I
like a man with a plan.Well, the River else carbeing is very

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cool. It's also available in fiveseven by twenty eight, which is would
be another cool caliber. But that'snot going to be quiet, because that's
a fairly loud rig I love itthat you got you have this because I
have really been looking at this andthinking, Man, I like the looks
of that, I love the foldingstock. I just like everything about it.
So it's a great range report andI appreciate that, sir, and

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hope you have fun with that.Let's see. Let me go grab ed
online four out of Spokane, Washington. Hey, Ed, you're on gun
Talk. Hey Tom, how youdoing today? I am great having a
ball. Yeah, he got alittle range report for you. And it
kind of ties into this attempt onPresident Trump's life yesterday. Okay, you

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may recall we talked in the pastbefore. We've got a bunch of us
to do a long range thistle shootraiser out here. The hunter Elmer,
the Great Elmer Keith and his contributionsto shooting, particularly long range pistol shooting.
We raised. We raised a coupleof thousand dollars for the U the

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Second Amendment Foundation, and we raiseda bunch of money for the foundations for
wildlife management there in Idaho. Andyou know, we've got we've got people
ringing steel and We're talking Torso sizedtargets at about one hundred and forty forty
five yards. Right, It's notthat hard. It's not that hard of

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a shot to make, being witha pistol. And I'm sure for folks
who do handgun hunting, you knowa lot of them are probably a competent
out to that range anyway. Andyou know I'm talking. I'm talking people
who haven't haven't haven't held him before, you know, twenty two twenty two,
uh Gouger mark ones you know are. And the thing is that if

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you shoot much, it's not thatdifficult if you work at it. I
mean there's the handguns silhouette competition witha shooting out to two hundred yards,
which you can certainly do. Itis amazing what you can do when you
work at I remember Andy Brown stoppeda mass shooter who was killing people at
an air Force base and he shotthis guy at seventy four yards with a

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Barretta ninety two. So I meanthen this guy had a rifle and Andy
took him out and killed him atseventy four yards with a Barretta. So
it can be done, but itjust requires you to work at a little
bit and understand the basis of shooting, didn't it? Well, if you

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understand the basis of shooting and takehis instruction, will you know you can
you can walk rounds on that tartwithin five or six pools of the trigger.
And that incident you referred to,I was out here at Fairchild Air
Force Base. Correct. It wasone hundred and forty two yards. Oh,
one hundred and forty two as longasanough I was thinking of seventy four.

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Sorry, no, it was itwas. It was well over one
hundred yards. Really interesting. Whatwas interesting? You want to talk about
divine intervention? He was young airmanI think of the four airman on the
base security police crowd and he wasat a gate about half a mile away

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and on his bike and his bicycle. Yeah, I've had Andy on the
show talking about it, and hisbook about that is excellent. And look,
I apologize I am out of timehere, but I would recommend I'll
have to look up the name ofthis book because it's one of those that's
really worth reading. And it wasone of those. This guy that was
ended up shooting up the hospital.Everybody knew he was crazy. Everybody knew

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it's dangerous. Nobody would getting outof the air force. It's one of
those he's thinking. And everybody said, this guy is going to eventually start
shooting up the place. Sure enoughhe did, and Andy with his bread
of ninety two ended up stopping thisguy. He had a rifle and he
had a pistol. It is doablewhen you know what you're doing, and
he practiced. He was a goodshot, simple as that. All right,

(22:06):
eighty six six talk a gun.Looking for your range reports or your
thoughts about the Trump assassination attempt.All right, back again. I mentioned

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at the top of the show thatthe man who was killed at the Trump
rally a firefighter named Corey Comparatore,and he died after he threw himself over
his daughter and his wife, protectingthem when he recognized that there was gunfire.

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And I mentioned then I said,you know, I'm hoping that somebody
will set up and go fund mesome kind of fun for him. Well
they did, not a surprise.I don't know when this was set up
hours ago, and right now it'sat four hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
It's got a double, triple quadruplethat if you want to contribute to his

(23:08):
family on go fund me. It'ssupport Allison after Tragic Loss is the name
of it. Allison is the daughter. Support Alison A L. L y
Son After Tragic Loss is the nameof the GoFundMe and you can find that
there if you'd like to toss somethingin. There's everything from twenty dollars donations

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to much much larger ones, whateveryou feel like you want to do.
Our number is eighty sixty six.Talk Guns. Shelley called in out of
Helena, Montana. Shelley, firstof all, are you close to the
fires? No? Not really,we're close, but at least the smoke
and everything isn't coming our way.Okay, well that's good. It's fire

(23:55):
season. And I understand because Iknow you got something going on out there.
All right, So what's on yourmind? Well, first I want
to make a comment, and secondlyI have a question for you. Thanks
for bringing up how short the galwas? Who's supposed to be guarding him?
And as she leads him off thestage down the stairs, she bends
down to pick up his hat,which left his shoulder and chest and of

(24:18):
course head exposed. That's a ridiculoussituation. You know, I thought that's
what I saw, and I sawher carrying the hat, and I'm thinking,
what is that? And to puta fine point on it so people
understand what you're talking about. Thisfemale agent, secret Service agent. She's
too short to be able to protectDonald Trump. He's six' three and
she's maybe five six something like that, exposing a lot of him. And

(24:44):
here's the thing. If the SecretService counter snipers hadn't shot this guy immediately,
if he had had another ten seconds, he could have pumped twenty or
thirty rounds into that horde of SecretService agents and into Donald Trump. Because
they were not covering him. Andwhen he pops the back up, his
head is exposed. I don't knowwhy they didn't have him hunkered over or

(25:07):
literally picked him up and hauled himoff of there. The whole thing,
it looked like they did not havehim covered and he was exposed for a
lot of the time. I'm surethere will be a review, at least
I hope there will be. Butanyway, I think you and I were
seeing the same thing. Yeah,he was very exposed. What I want
to know is how did this guyknow which rooftop to get on that was

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not going to be occupied or guarded. He was ready. It was early
in the rally. You know exactlywhere he was going. And this scares
me because it's like maybe he hadsome information said, well, that is
the question, I mean, andwe're faced with this horrible choice where either

(25:52):
it is just gross negligence on thepart of the Secret Service, or even
worse, there were some collusion onthe part of somebody to look the other
way or to even help him.And it's like, I don't even like
to go to those places. Andyet sometimes you're thinking, Okay, they
can't be that incompetent. I mean, maybe they can, but it's like

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one or the other and both themare horrible and you just don't like either
answer, and it is negligent orpre planning. I know you're not a
doctor, but let me ask yousomething that's really been bothering me. When
they were leading Trump who had beenshot down the stairs, why did they
not put him on a gurney immediatelyand put him in the back of the

(26:37):
truck air vehicle instead of walking himaround, getting up on the floorboard and
getting into the vehicle himself. Ithink that's a matter of speed. They're
trying to get him away as fastas they can, and it takes time
to put somebody on a gurney andhaul him off. And since he was
ambulatory and they could tell immediately hecan move, the fastest way to get

(27:00):
him out of there is just tohustle him on down and basically chunk him
into the back of this rig orthrough the door. Of course, he's
waved at the crowd, making thejob harder for Secret Service. But you
know, I'm not faulting him forthat. I understand what he was doing.
He has one brave sob But Ithink it was just a matter of
we got to get him out ofhere fast, and moving him on his

(27:22):
own feet was the quickest way todo that. Think they got to get
some height requirements and where they're needed. First you said he was six y
four, then later you said hewas six' three. Whatever. If
she's five six, she's not oftoo much value unless they want to shoot
him in the leg. So yeah, I mean, there we are.
Look, I appreciate the call,and I understand the concern. We're all

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do a lot of head scratching.Mike. I have one other concern,
and that is. I'm not surewe're going to get much in the way
of answer, certainly not quickly.It's going to take her quite a while,
and it may take congressional hearings.And then when that that happens,
I fully expect the people they callbefore the congressional hearings to basically tell them

(28:10):
pound sand f you, we don'tcare, you know we They'll do it
in a nicer way, they'll say, well, you know, it's an
ongoing investigation and we can't answer that. I'm sorry, we can't address that
right now because that could jeopardize theinvestigation. You know, on and on
and on, ducking and bobbing andweaving and basically flipping the bird at Congress,
which, oh yeah, we electCongress. They are us, they

(28:32):
represent us. When Congress is askingquestions of these bureaucrats, that is the
United States population, that's the citizensof the US through their elected representatives,
asking and demanding answers. And ifthe agencies will not answer to the people

(28:53):
through their elected representatives, then wehave a very serious problem. So there's
food for thought for you there.Our number eight sixty six, Talk gun.
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dot com. Yeah, we're allstill processing the except on Donald Trump's life
about twenty four hours ago. Nowas we're speaking, let's see Mike's on

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two out of North Carolina. Hey, Mike, you're on gun Talk.
What's your take on the deal withTrump? Hey Mike you there? All
right? Let's go to Jim onlineone out of Dim Springs, Louisiana.
Jim, you're on gun Talk.How can we help you? Oh?
Hey, man, great Gray.The thing I heard when I had to

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do. In the first original audio, like the first ten minutes after it
happened, they had to live Mike, I guess from the podium and Trump
was saying, my shoe, myshoe, get my shoe. I did
my shoe. I mean, Iswear to god, I heard that.
And they were like, look likethey was looking for it or something.
And then it took five ten seconds. You know, I saw the same
thing hurt him. You know,he wanted his shoes. I guess when

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they knocked him down, they probablyknocked him out of his shoes. And
look, here's what happens. I'vebeen in a situation where you need to
be saving your life and you're worriedabout stupid stuff like that, and it's
like you're thinking about your shoes whenyou need to be getting out of there.
I understand his reaction. My concernprobably the same as yours is.

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But the Secret Service agent should havebeen saying, don't worry about your shoes,
don't worry about your hat. Andthey are dragging him out of there
and getting him out of there asfast as they can. It looked like
they were. There's a lot offumbling around and stuff going on, and
I know, he's a big guy, and you know, I don't know
what he weighs, but I betit's north of two point fifty uh,

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and it's hard to move him.But for them to say, yeah,
basically we're gonna allow him to gethis shoes, I had have been hustle
him out of there in his stockingfeet. I was actually trying not to
laugh that. You know, that'swhat he was thinking about, you know,
with a bullet hole in his earand he's trying to get his shoes.
Yeah, no kidding, I understand. I mean, look, once

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he knew he had been shot,that's the amazing part. He knew he
had been shot, and he standsup and raises his fist and he yells
fight, fight fight. In otherwords, you didn't kill me this time,
and you're not going to get tome. I mean, and look,
I appreciate the call. I've hadseveral people say, look, it's
surprisingly get has toating before. Theyhate him so much, they've demonized him

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so much, they have poisoned thewater out there with their talk of him
being Hitler or an existential threat todemocracy and saying we have to get rid
of him at all costs. Yeah. I mean, you can go through
and see all the videos of democraticleaders making those kind of statements. Of

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course they would love to backtrack themnow, except they still stand behind them.
They love the idea. I willtell you, I am certain that
there are a significant percentage of thoseleaders and others on the left who are
sad he didn't get killed. Youknow, they'll give you you know,
look, I mean, look,I appreciate that. Just again, thinking

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about how it all went down,I at this point, yeah, I
hate to even think about this.There's nothing that says they're not gonna try
again. Somebody doesn't try again,maybe we'll have you know, maybe you'll
have a better secret Service protection.Lord knows he should should have had it

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before now, should have had aperimeter that went out five hundred yards at
least, I mean, what dothey have one hundred yards? Fifty yards?
I mean, so there's nothing seemscrazy. I mean to the point
of some previous collars said at onehundred and thirty yards that could have been
done with a pistol. But somebodyknew what they were doing and with a

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rifle. It's unbelievably lucky that hedidn't get killed. Unbelievable. I mean,
whether you believe in divine intervention orwhat. I you know, maybe
it was a flinch, maybe itwas buck fever. Maybe he knew that

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the Secret Service was about to shoothim and he got in a hurry.
Don't know, don't care. I'mglad that he missed. You know,
largely he did, Nick an Ear. I'm glad he Honestly, I don't
mind saying I am glad he isdead. I don't want him to be
on trial. I don't want himto be spouting off his nonsense. Just

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wanted dead, simple as that.So they did that with a three or
eight rifle. Carl Line four inMissouri. Carl, talk to me about
what you saw. Hey, Iwas actually watching it on my internet out
here in the boondogs, and againI was seeing so many things as an

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average Joe out here that shouldn't havehappened. And I turkey hunt and everything
and deer hunt, and again withthe Secret Service letting him jump up on
the running board and his head wasexposed way above the room of that car.
Yes, I mean that was anotherplace nobody's even talked about yet,

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And they could have just popped himoff right then. You know, that's
where one of those bigger Secret Serviceagents should have just barreled into his chest
and knocked him into that vehicle.I don't care how much it hurts you
or what we've done to you,sir, not ever stepped up on that
running board and right that, theyshould just shoved him in that vehicle.

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You know, you could apologize lateror not. I don't care, but
you've got to get him out ofthe line of sight. Like I said,
if this guy had not been shot, if you'd still been throwing bullets,
he would have eventually shot him andprobably a whole bunch of other agents.
But Trump was way too exposed duringthe evacuation. Yeah, yeah,

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that's all I had time. Iappreciate your show. I love it.
I'll listen to it every week.Thank you, Carl. I appreciate that.
Appreciate the support out there, andfor those who if you missed part
of the show. If you're listeningto Live and you miss part of the
show, we do take this.We put it up as a podcast so
it's available. Basically, call itthe DVR for audio, so you can

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go back and listen to this showor any any of the past shows.
If you want to, you canget gun Talk anywhere you can get podcasts.
You also so if you want togo and listen to it directly over
at spreaker dot com. You canstart over at gun talk dot com and
find everything we do there, whetherit's TV shows, We've got multiple,
We've got the new episodes of FirstPerson Defender, starting off with a really

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good one with a young lady whogets assaulted and boy does she take lessons
well. I mean, the firstone didn't go well and she got a
little bit of a training session,and the second one she just became a
different person in fighting off while shootingher attacker. That's our First Person Defender

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series where we take regular people anddrop them in to self defense situations and
we just see how they do.It is eye opening and instructive and I
think it will get you thinking abunch all right. Eight six' six
talk gun gets you in right now. You can join us live or you
could be a part of the aftershow if you want to. I'm Tom
Gresham. We'll be right back withmore gun Talk. With the breaking news,

(39:07):
of course of the assassination attempt offormer President Trump. There's a lot
of news we have not been ableto get to today. So what I'm
going to do is put a lotof that over on Twitter or X.
One of the big stories this weekis going to be the NRA second trial
is starting. The New York AttorneyGeneral's Office wants to put in a monitor

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in charge of the NRA. Thejudge has the power to do that.
We have Woody Phillips, former BigCFO. He got fined two million dollars
and also accepted a deal where hewill agreed not to be involved in any
nonprofits in New York for ten years. There's more to the story, and

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I know it sounds kind of bizarreright now, but all of that I
will be posting and others will beposting as well, and I'll copy that
post it over on X if youwant to keep up with that. Also,
as we find out more, I'llhave more thoughts about the attack on
Trump, the murder of the firefighter. His name is Corey Comparatory, I

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believe it is. I apologize forstumbling over that. I just threw some
money into the GoFundMe for him andhis family. If you want to do
that over on go fund me.You look for support Allison after tragic loss
is the name of that. Inthe meantime, I would say, take

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a look at your personal situation.You know, I know it's not an
assassination attempt, but there's stuff goingon out there. How can you make
yourself safer? How can you makeyour family safer? Avoiding places where bad
things can happen. And that soundssilly, but just don't go there.

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Recognize things ahead of time. Yougot to look for trump so that you
can see trouble, so you canavoid the trouble and not be there when
it happens. I have always saidthat I think fear of embarrassment gets people
killed. You know, I don'twant to move to the other side of
the road because those people look sketchyand it might embarrass them, or it
might embarrass me if I do that, I don't care anymore. I will

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do what it takes to increase thesafety margin for myself and my family.
I don't care anymore. I'm notworried about being embarrassed or offending somebody.
If somebody's walking up to me,I don't like their looks, I don't
mind yelling at the top of myvoice stop right there. Oh wow,
really Tom, Yes, really,I'll do that. I carry a tourniquet

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because somebody mightn't be bleeding out atsome point. Member of my family myself
never know. I carry a gun, I carry an extra magazine. I
train all the time. I practicemy draws every day, every single day.
Every day you're not practicing, everyday you're not working on your skills,

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is the day that your skills aredeteriorating. So you're either getting better
or at least holding your own,or you are choosing to get worse.
Hey, your call, it's yourfamily, it's your life, you know,
and if they call on you,it's really a bad time in the
middle of an attack to try tofind skills that you let deteriorate. Can

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you we all we need to bebetter than the Secret Service agent who can't
get her gun back in our holsterfor having sakes. I mean, that's
just embarrassing and tragic, honestly.So as we go forward, I will
discuss this. If you want totalk about it some more, give me
a call right now. We cantalk about it on the after show eight
six' six Talk Gun. Besure to check out the after show.

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You can get the gun Talk podcastanywhere you get your podcasts, any of
the platforms or apps that down podcasts, just subscribe to gun Talk. It
will load up automatically for you.In the meantime, you prayers for Donald
Trump and his family and our countryare in order. Prayers of thanks as

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well for I don't know. Youcall it luck, you call it whatever
you want, but we dodged onewith that. In the meantime, go
out do some shooting, go tothe rains, have some fun, and
make a commitment or recommitment to enhanceyour skills to make you safer and better
able to protect your family.