In This Hour:
-- Shooting really is a lifetime sport, as evidenced by pro shooter Todd Jarrett, who recently won his class in the world shoot in Finland.
-- He bought his wife an expensive double stack 1911 pistol. Now they have three of them!
-- Tourists renting an AR-15 in Alaska react to the fact that it's lightweight, has low recoil, is accurate, and is FUN!
Gun Talk 08.25.24 Hour 3
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-- Shooting really is a lifetime sport, as evidenced by pro shooter Todd Jarrett, who recently won his class in the world shoot in Finland.
-- He bought his wife an expensive double stack 1911 pistol. Now they have three of them!
-- Tourists renting an AR-15 in Alaska react to the fact that it's lightweight, has low recoil, is accurate, and is FUN!
Gun Talk 08.25.24 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, let's keep talking about guns. You know, guns
kind of like everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The competition world provides.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The proving ground for a lot of the themes we
end up either using of the techniques we use. I mean,
I don't care if it's NASCAR and we benefit from that,
but competition shooting we pick up a lot of improvements
in our guns and our shooting techniques from the folks
who are out there doing it. One of the guys
who's been doing it for a long time. I'm talking
about sixteen times US National champion, four time world champion,
(00:45):
hundreds of championships and regional state area championships rifle and pistol.
Todd Jarrett joined us right now. Hey, Todd, glad you're here.
I want to know what you were just doing out
in Finland.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, Tom is great to hear from you. Man. It's
been a it's been a while you and I haven't
been on the range together. So we need to go
on the range together pretty soon. Uh, and so I
can tinue you up on some rifle and pistols.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So I was thinking maybe I.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Was thinking, did you I was thinking maybe you needed
an extra lesson to home chewing up yourself and I
can help you out.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Man, I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You know, I haven't seen you shoot a few times,
my friend, I haven't seen you shoot a couple of
times over here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That's pretty funny. So what are we doing out in Finland?
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh? You know, Tom, I just got back from Finland
just about a week and a half ago. We were
out for the for the World Rifle Championship, which was
actually it fell in the same time as the Olympics. Uh,
so it was really cool for US, uh as we
had seventy one Americans fly over to Finland and uh
(01:50):
and tried to beat up on the all the Nordic countries.
Who are those guys who really know how to shoot
a rifle over there? And we had just the best time.
And my hat goes off to a ton of the Americans.
Uh that did very well over there. We went top
American in several divisions. Uh. And and that girl named
(02:11):
Lena Mitchellik. You know, I think some of your listeners
may know her from from SIG and her her skill
set as being phenomenal uh and I got to shoot
her father on the Super Senior team for with Jerry Mitchelik.
So the w'or over now just phenomenal guy. Just Jerry
(02:32):
and I. We get a chance to shoot together whenever
we can, and we down the team together and we
end up winning you know, gold and silver on that
and then and then the UH team itself actually won
one first place and we beat out the UH, the Fins,
and we beat out the guys from over in Norway.
(02:52):
So just a great experience for me there is you know,
people who do not travel with fiums around the world,
world or even in the US Negotioot competition. It's a
different world traveling, you know, with fire arms and trying
to get ammunition to those places. So it's a it's
something for us that you know, it's it's so critical
(03:14):
for us to be able to get our equipment there,
get our ammunition there. There's a lot of luck in
order to go shoot internationally anymore and try to win
some win the world championship. So a lot of luck
felt my way. I got a gold medal, and so
I was super pleased to win that and get on
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the podium and be number one over there. So in
American here at the American flag.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know, I gotta tell you the idea that you
got a lot of luck working for you. You know,
it becomes sixteen times national championship, national champion, four time
world champion, win hundreds of matches through luck. It's a
lot of skill and an awful lot of work that
goes into it. Maybe there's a little bit of luck,
(04:01):
but man, you can't keep winning all these things out
of luck.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well you're right there. I still stay the harder you work,
the luckier you get. And I did put the time
into it. And so for me personally, yeah, I have
you know, spent a lot of time in the range
over years, well over six million rounds in my career shooting,
you know. You know, I have won a lot of
(04:27):
nationals and world championships, and I can't tell you how
many other regional matches I won in my career. Just
got back from one this weekend, uh and having to
win and when a high senior award and finished really
high in the overall match, and so you know, I'm
back on the pistol. But it is it takes a
lot of work, you know, in this game, in the
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competition world, but it's so satisfying for me as an
individual and all the people I've met, industry people, yourself
and so many other thousands of people that I have
come acros also, whether it be in teaching, wise or manufacturing,
and just it is. It's a great job to be in.
It is. It can be a hard, lonely job pounding
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rounds out, you know, six or seven holes a day
on the range, getting ready. But you know how we are,
you know, we we love the game like we do.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let me ask you something because a lot of people say, yeah,
you know, those are cool and maybe it might be
fun to do that. But I don't really know anything
about picking up or whatever it is IDPA or UESPSA.
I just don't know how I would get started and
what I've told them in the past. I'd love to
get your take on this is just show up. I
swear to you. If you show up and tell people
(05:41):
who are shooting I don't know anything about this. In
about two minutes, you'll be wearing a holster and gun
and mag pouches and everything else and ambo the people
have slung at you and you'll be shooting.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You're exactly right. I'm tell anybody you know, the shooting
sports really are regional. Which you need to understand is
that you need to be able to find a place
to practice. So whether it be in the pistol sports,
a rifle sports, shotgun shooting sports, you need to figure
out in your area where you can go in practice
because you'll get disappointed if you have to travel two
(06:15):
hours in order to shoot a pistol match. What you
may be interested in, you may be interested not interested
in shotgun shooting sports and maybe rifle shooting sports. The
next thing you know, you show up, you have a
range within thirty or forty minutes from your house, and
that may be, you know, the avenue that allows you
to be able to go out and practice and be
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competitive in a local area. But you need to know
what's going on in your region. That is the most
important part for me for telling new people who want
to get into the shooting sports. For me, in my area,
there's a lot of pistol shooting goes on and a
lot of shotgun shooting sports. I got to travel for
rifles sports. So for me personally, it's all about the region.
(06:59):
And that's how I became a national world champion because
I had that capability of having local ranges that shot
a lot of handguns.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
All right, let me switch out here.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I didn't tell you what we're going to talk about this,
but just earlier in the show, the subject came up
about double stack nineteen elevens and that has become I mean,
I think it really started with competition, but that's become
a real thing across the board with people interested in them.
And we're at a different level in the quality of
our double stack guns, particularly the double stack nineteen elevens.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And I know you shoot one of those.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You want to talk about that I do well.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Unfortunately, I was the first guy to ever win the
national championship with a high capacity nineteen eleven or twenty
eleven pistol and back in nineteen ninety one, which had
been like a couple of years ago. So I worked
for a company called Pair of Ordnance, which was predominantly
used in competition, law enforcement and you know, and also
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concealed carry for years, and then a company called STI
came along, and so the company was brought out a
few years ago from a company called Staccato. They just
changed a name to it, and I went to work.
I've been worth Staccato now over five years. We're making
some of the most beautiful handguns, reliable and handguns on
(08:17):
the market today in my opinion. And I had been
around the industry for a long time in manufacturing, so
I understand all the players. So people who are looking
for a double stack, you know nineteen eleven twenty eleven
style pistol that you've been accustomed to, you know, the
John Browning design is still going on today and becoming
more and more prevalent in the hands of law enforcement
(08:39):
concealed carry, and of course in the competition world, everybody's
using one.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
How do you explain to people who don't know, people
who grew up on Striker fire pistols, what is it
about the nineteen eleven that they need to know?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
The biggest thing about nineteen eleven are the twenty eleven
style pistol, like the Staccato. Today, our manufacturing processes are
so much different than they were five years ago, much
less even ten years ago. The precision accuracy of the
how we manufacture the firearm itself. You're getting inch and
a half two inch groups at twenty five thirty yards away,
(09:14):
which typically we're just factory ammunition, but you'll get a
better feel of how the gun actually feel. As far
as we can make a lighter spring in the gun
so the gun operates easier to load and unload. Trigger
pulls now are so much lighter than the typical striker
fire guns on the market out there. So for me personally,
when I hand someone a Staicato pistol in a range
(09:38):
for a demonstration or for competition, they instantly go wild.
I cannot believe how accurate or how I feel by
using that particular product. So, I mean, there's a lot
of twenty eleven, you know, knockofs out there that are good.
But okay, I worked for Staccato, so I'm kind of
biased towards on them.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, and I've never heard a bad thing about them,
I got to tell you, And that's unusual this world.
Todd Jarrett, I want to thank you for spending a
little time here. Congratulations on winning the gold and Femlin.
That is phenomenal, and for beating that old guy Jerry Mitch,
look too.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
By the way, you bet. Tom's always good friend. If
you need me, if you give me a call, We're
going to range sometime.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That sounds good. Yeah, And I could use a tune up.
I could use more than that. I could use some
basic lessons. Todd Jarrett World Champion. All right, eight six six,
We'll be right back, eight six to six talk gun.
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Let's go to the phones line five. James with us
out of Wyoming. James help me out here.
Speaker 10 (12:54):
Hey, it's a great talk with you again, Tom. I
remember reading this. I believe it might have been an
American rifleman. But they came back and what they said
was from the CMP was that M nineteen oh three
rifles that were built before February nineteen, nineteen eighteen. They
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utilized receivers and bolts which were single heat treated by
a method that rendered some of them brittle, and we're
liable to fracture when fired. So if you have one
of those, basically you got a nice wall hanger. Probably.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh okay, So you need to know when your nineteen
oh three Springfield was made and it was before nineteen eighteen,
did you say.
Speaker 10 (13:38):
Yeah, February of nineteen eighteen. So it might take a
little bit of research, and I think there's some people
out there that do a pretty good job of that
stuff dating it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the CMP, for those who don't know, the Savilian
Marksmanship Program, they put this out and they're telling you
if you have one. Basically, what they're saying is you
have one of those I was made before that date,
you don't want to shoot it at all because if
the metal is brittle, it can't handle the pressure.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And it may just grenade on you.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
Yep, that's exactly so, James, what have.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You been shooting recently?
Speaker 10 (14:12):
You know what, It's funny I talked to you earlier
this spring. I'm out checking water here in Wyoming. We've
had fires over four hundred thousand acres lost in the
last three days. I'm checking water and looking at cattle,
and I'm carrying exactly what I was carrying the day
last time we talked, which is a boat gun two
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twenty three with a can and Leopold three to five
scope on. It's kind of my everyday gun.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Not a three to five, is a three to fifteen.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
I'm sorry, three point five to ten.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm sorry, Ah, okay, three point five defen. That is
one of my favorite loophole scopes. You can pretty much
do anything you want with that. Leave it on three
and a half all the time, and then if you
need more you can crak it up and the four
hundred yards shot is just not that difficult.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You got a good rig like that.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Yeah, if you're calling a coy out and the chances
are going to be close, you turn her down and
get to see all of them right away.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know. For those who don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And we're doing the same thing over here at Wyoming's
that had some horrible fires. And part of the problem
you have there is you've got the winds. When the
wind comes up, all the firefighters can do is get
out of the way. They can't get in front of
it and try to stop it.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
That's exactly right. We had a real bad batch of
heat lightning come in and it struck it strung it
out from a little ways outside of Buffalo, Wyoming to
just to the north of Gillette, Wyoming. They had three
fires going. The one fire which started in Sheridan County
has actually made it into Montana now and it covered
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fourteen miles one day and it is still uncontained. But
we're looking at around four hundred thousand acres that have
been incinerated, and with that hundreds of miles of fence
line and livestock losses are going to be just horrid,
you know. It's the ranchers out here are going to
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be hurting for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And out here in Idaho, I'll probably have fifteen fires
within thirty thirty five miles of me, and some of
them are pretty big, not as big as that, and
one of the things that's happening over here. And you'll
understand this is we're losing this habitat elk and deer.
And when this stuff burns at these higher elevations like this,
it's not like people say, well, it'll grow.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Back in a few years.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No, it'll grow back in fifty years or one hundred years.
It takes that long at these higher elevations to get
the vegetation back.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
There's some pine and cedar country farther north of the
Gillette area, and some of that is burning. There's a
lot of it's part of the Powder River Breaks area.
A lot of that's just rough country, heavy sage, some cedar.
It will be, you know, as painful as is.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It will be improved.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
As far as grazing.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Last year, yes, it will.
Speaker 10 (17:07):
The wildlife and the habitat, yeah, it's a gone er.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It is. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Look, I appreciate the car, appreciate the heads up on
the CNP warning on that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thank you very much. One of the reasons I want
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The fires is if you are a hunter, if you
have a hunt planned for this fall in the West,
you need to check on what's going on with the
fires because there are large areas that are being closed
that you're not going to be able to get into.
There are also are areas where face through the forest
is going to be gone. I mean when it goes through,
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if it burns hot, you have nothing but sticks left.
And if that's where you had planned to hunt, you're
just going to be in trouble. You're going to be
out of luck. So if you have a Western hunt
planned this year, you need to pay attention to it.
And here's a little inside baseball tip for you. If
you have the on X hunt app on your phone,
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which is, by the way, a great app for figuring
out where the land is and who owns the land
and that type of thing that you can put in
layers and you can see fires, you could even see
smoke patterns. We've been using that to figure out where's
the smoke going to be? Where can we go today?
Where can we fly today? Is it covering up the
(18:20):
areas where we need to go to? So the on
X hunt is a really effective and useful tool for hunters,
and there's more to it. It's like I probably use
five percent of what it can do, and there's more
to it than that I'm aware of, And I just
need to do more studying. And probably like everybody else
on exes O in dash X, on x hunt and
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you find it on the app store, and probably like
everybody else, I need to go to YouTube because that's
that's where you learn stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
These days. You can learn anything.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You want to fix a car or build a car,
you could probably figure out some kind of video there
for that up. Let's see here. Anthony's online four out
of California. Hey Anthony, you're on gun Talk. What do
you got there, sir?
Speaker 11 (19:07):
How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Thank you?
Speaker 11 (19:10):
Let me be on the show. Hey, I just wanted
to talk about the when you talk about the nineteen
eleven or the twenty eleven. I bought my wife a
staccato a few years ago and now we have three.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Huh, So what I want to know why you bought
your wife one first before you bought one for yourself.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Well, I was happy with what I had until she
cut her hands on one of the the XLS. And
we're in California, so it's not on the roster, so
it's a challenge to get them.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Ah.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So now we have the XL the.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
XC did did you end up with a model P?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
Is that the third one, No, the XCXL and the
what's the other one? Give me a part in here?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's all right? I mean the staccato.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Everybody I know who has the staccato really loves it.
They are smooth, they shoot well. They're not inexpensive. I
mean you're looking at roughly twenty five hundred dollars range
for those. But I think one of the things that's
happened is Staccato after they bought it for STI, their
marketing is very good, and they've got it into a
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lot of markets, and they've gotten into a lot of
police departments, and people have really and look, I appreciate
the call. I know we've got a bad connection there
on the phone. People have really figured out how nice
they are. And I think one of the things that's
happening is that other gun makers are looking at that
and going, huh, we could do one of those. And
we're seeing more double stack nineteen eleven, where I don't
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think they can call them twenty elevens. I think Staccado
may have the trademark on twenty eleven because that's what's
used for the double stack, but call it a double
stack nineteen eleven. I think we're going to see more
of those coming out. Well, I know we are, because
I know there's some interesting innovations coming some that are
going to be coming out next year that will surprise
you because you're going to go, oh, look what they
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did with a double stack nineteen eleven. And no, I
can't tell you any more about it than that, but
it's going to be really interesting. By the way, speaking
of that kind of thing, we're working on our GT
thirty gun.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Did he say that? Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Some really interesting developments on that just popped up this
week talking to some of the gunmakers. So we're going
to have at least one, maybe several, don't know, but
to celebrate thirty years on the air for Gun Talk Radio,
we're going to have at least one and maybe need more.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Than that of the g T thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I don't know how we would number those, but
we'll give you more about that as we get closer
to it and get more details. All right, eight six
y six Talk Gun, We're open lines, Give me a holler.
So I was thinking about the President's election. I was
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thinking about how Joe Biden and Kamala Harris put in
the White House Office of gun violence prevention is actually
an office in the White House, and it's staffed by
people from the gun ban industry. These are the folks
who gave Joe Biden a lot of money to get elected,
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and he promised them he would push four gun bands
when he got in. Then he went even further and
created an office in the White House for the gun banners.
So here's my thought. Rather than get rid of it
when Donald Trump wins, I say we put Donald Jor
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in charge of it. And the first step is putting
a shooting range in the White House. So I threw
that out on x Twitter. Somebody had a picture of
the White House bowling alley. It would be perfect for
a shooting range. I love that idea. And then Larry
Key from NSSF said, oh yeah, we could do it,
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just like they did the ski and trap range at
Camp David that in SSF helped build. So there's a
thought for it. I love the idea of putting Don
Jor in charge of gun issues at the White House.
Can you even imagine the reaction to that. That'd be
so much fun. Hey, on line five, we got Jerry
(23:51):
out of Conway, Arkansas. Jerry sounds like you're working on
a project here. What are you doing.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
There?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You gotta turn the radio off.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Man, Okay, how's that?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a lot better. Okay, not talking to you guys.
So what project are you working on there?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Well, I've got a Savage Model twelve that I that
I bought it like in ninety three or ninety four, okay,
And it's a long action and it's chambered in twenty
two too fifty and the dog gun thing when when
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you're changing out the rounds, well, the thing seems to
get lost. You've got to hold the thing over to
load it because it just seems to go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But all right, let me let me see if I
can figure out what's going on here. You got rounds
of the chamber or in the magazine rather, and then
when you're working the action, are these rounds popping out
of the magazine? And now they're kind of loose as
they get pushed into the barrel by the bolt.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah, it's just a squirrely as can be.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, So what do you want to.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Do, Dring, Whether to save that that rifle? Would it
be best to change the barrel out and say it
like a twenty five oh six to save that action.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's not a bad way to go as long as
the action is long enough for that. The thing to
check is the length of the magazine. They may have
a spacer in the magazine where you can't push a
twenty five out six round down in there. But if
they do, you could probably remove that space out of
the mag But before you do all that, if you now,
I don't know if you want to keep it as
(25:57):
a twenty two two fifty, But if you do, I'm
guessing that the feed lips from the magazine up are
probably spread out a little bit and they could be
bent in. Any good gunsmiths should be able to do that.
And if they tightened up those feed lips from the magazine,
it'll keep that round from popping out and being loose
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in the action as you're pushing the boat forward. That
would be one possibility, but there's nothing to work wrong
with rebarreling it and going with a longer round as
long as you've got room the magazine.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, that thing is just lost in space.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Every time I try to try to.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Chamber another round, it's just it's just you've got to
hold the barrel down towards the ground for the round
to go in there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's no good now that you got definitely have a
problem with the feed lips this. The rounds are popping
out of the magazine too soon as you smove the
boat forward. They should stay inside that magazine about halfway
through the travel from the bolt forward, and what's happens?
They're popping out and now I just say they'll flop around.
So I would say, either bend those speed lips in
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or go ahead and do the rebarrel and all of that,
and a good gunsmith in your area I'll be able
to help you. Look, I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
the twenty two to fifty is a great round, but
it's a much shorter round, and that in a long
action I could see that being a problem. I do
have one of those Model twelve Savages in a single
shot that made it in a single shot version clearly
(27:33):
not a problem feeding up a magazine because there's no
magazine there. That was an accurate rifle for the time.
All right, eight six six talk gun will get you
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Speaker 3 (27:48):
By all means, let's get it on again.
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Speaker 3 (30:16):
Hey, here's something that's making the rounds on the internet.
It's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know that Robert Kennedy Junior has withdrawn from the
race and endorsed Trump, and now people are posting, well,
you know rs k Jr. He's pro Second Amendment. No,
he's not, and he never has been. He's never been
pro Second Amendment. He's always been in favor of gun bands.
(30:41):
Where does this even come from? I just I don't
understand it. Now, if his endorsement of Trump helps, that's
a fine thing, you know, understanding. Look, I get it
as much as anybody else. Trump may not be as
pro gun as you would want him to be. He's
simply better than the alternative and the real world have
grown ups. You don't get perfect. You just get the
(31:03):
better of the two choices. And in this case, there
are three good reasons that Trump was good on guns.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Last time.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They all sit in chairs on the Supreme Court, and
once again it will be about judges and justices and
nothing else. Don't worry about everything else's noise, everything else's
background noise trying to distract you ignore all that stuff.
Judges and justices as simple as that. Look at those
(31:33):
two and say what are they going to put on
the benches? Who are they going to put in the
Supreme Court? That makes the choice very easy, or at
least it should. Okay, age sixty six, talk gun, We'll
get you in here. Barry called in out of Anchorage, Alaska. Barry,
what's going on with the gun rentals up there.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Well, we have got an indoor range at Palmer and
I roso Upfair. We have about twenty pistols we have
acquired over the last few years that we rent out,
and we just got an Air fifteen this year. And
(32:14):
in July we started having I won't say it with
a flood, but every Sunday when we're we had foreigners
come in. You know, some people from Boston, Canada, Ireland, Holland, Belgium, Germany,
(32:39):
and they all for some reason one is rent guns
and the Air fifteen was top on the list.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So what are they telling you about that?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Every one of them had no they had seen pictures
of it, they'd heard about it, they wanted to experience it.
They rented, they buy AMMO since they don't know anything
about them. I ended up giving in four weeks in
a row a personal class on the AR fifteen Wayne,
(33:23):
how it works in some cases, how to avoid malfunctions,
and at the same time I learned about how guns
are handled in their countries.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Is there anything about the AR fifteen that has surprised
them that they tell you about?
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yes, black of wait, lack of recoil. Sheep's better than
anything they'd hoped for. They never read of Red Dot.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Surprised that they're surprised how good it is. It's lightweight,
it has low recoil, it's very accurate, it's comfortable to shoot,
and with a Red Dot it's easy to shoot. And
everybody thought this thing was going to be some horrific thing.
It blows up in her face and makes us sound
like a cannon.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh, by the way, Bert, I love how you name
all the foreign countries, including Boston. That is particularly great.
I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Hey, the guy was, Yeah, he was a foreigner. He
had a forty five seventy with him and he wanted
to give away his AMMO because he wouldn't be able
to bring the AMMO back to Boston.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh my Heavenny days. Yeah that is that does kind
of make you my foreigner when you think about it. Look,
thank you for the calls. I appreciate that. Art's in Portland, Oregon. Hey, Art,
we got a minute or two for you.
Speaker 15 (34:59):
Dive in range report about fifteen years ago. I had
one of those old three springfields made in nineteen seventeen,
shot it for like thirty years, and then one day
it detonated on me and it thanked God for shooting glasses.
But even with the hot gases coming out, I was
(35:22):
still blind for like totally black for like five minutes,
and then washing them out, all I could see was light.
And then my face looked like I got hit with
number twelve shot out of a twenty two mag and
I still got a couple pieces of steel in my face.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So this is a follow up to the call we
got asked about the recaller that the marksmanship program says
guns made before don't you know three springfields made before
February of two thousand and Niowa correction at nineteen eighteen,
you shouldn't shoot them, right?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (36:00):
Well I did research on mine, and it was supposed
to be any numbers lower than eight hundred and thirty thousand,
and mine was eight hundred and like seventy five thousand,
and I shot it for all those years and then
just one day it just decided I'm getting weak, and
(36:21):
everything just went south. And when it went off, all
the gases went in my face, and out of reflex,
I threw the gun to my right and when it
hit the rocks, it broke the stock at the pistol grip,
And I know.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That people are asking, well, was it standard?
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Mo?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Had you loaded it all hot? I mean.
Speaker 15 (36:44):
It was Army surplus thirty odd six because you can
get it so dog on cheap two bucks a box,
and I stocked up on it, and I'd been shooting
it for years and years and years, and all of
a sudden, it just like I said, everything went south
all at once. And I mean I was scared when
(37:05):
you see oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Look when you have a gun go off like that,
and I've had a face full of powder, but not
one that bad before. And for those who are thinking, wow,
our gun's dangerous, now, this is some of the poor
metallurgy from the turn of the last century. It's a
gun made in nineteen seventeen and art.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Look, I got to roll. I appreciate your call, sir.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Just one of those deals of being aware and these
when you got these really old guns, you got to
be particularly careful with them. And what would that make
that gun one hundred and well, if it was fifteen
years ago, call it one hundred years old?
Speaker 6 (37:47):
It is.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
It pays to be.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Plugged in on safety alerts like this. One of the
questions I'm sure people are thinking, well, is well how
would I know, How would I even know there was
an alert that went out on that I would offer
that these days. I mean, yeah, it might be in
the magazines, but it's not a bad idea to be
on a few of the online groups, the bulletin boards,
(38:14):
the forums online that pertain to the type of shooting
you're doing, where you can get these kind of alerts,
you know, maybe on Facebook, maybe in other places.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Certainly. Again, the gun.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Magazines may have that, but there's at least a three
month lead time on those. So if something happens by
the time you see it in a magazine, it's three
to six months old news at that point.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So follow me on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I am at gun Talk and also, you know, plug
into the other online services and groups of similar shooters,
people who do what you do online because they will
share this information. All right, eight six ' six Talk Gun.
You can give me a call right now. We've got
time for it. Hey, right now, it's a good time
(39:07):
to call. If you want to be part of the
after show, which will kick off in a few minutes.
Give me a call at Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy,
Tom Talk Gun. Can you call it in from Arizona
and Kenny where's on in your mind, sir, Hi.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Tom, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 16 (39:23):
These new lever actions, a new Smith and Western lever
action that's coming out, they're not offered in four four Marlin.
Is there something wrong with the four four four Marlin?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
No, nothing the world wrong with it. But look, here's
the deal.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
If you are a gunmaker like Marlin or Smith and Wesson,
you're making a new lever action, You're gonna chamber that
in the cartridges that are going to be the best sellers.
That's going to be the forty five to seventy in
the big one and forty four magnums and maybe three
fifty seven and somewhere along the line. Probably in their
(39:56):
plans over the next two three years, they're saying, you know,
when when we get around to it, we will chamber
for the four four four Marlin. It's just that that's
not I mean, that's probably going to sell one of
those for every fifty forty five seventies. So they're just
not going to devote any time to that until they
have kind of saturated the market with the forty five seventies.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 16 (40:21):
Yes, Just so I wonder if there's something deficient about
the four four four that they're not offering it.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I think it's just a case of they can't make
them all, and they're going to make the ones they
know we're going to sell immediately, because there are going
to be a lot of people who don't know about
the four four four Marlin, don't appreciate it. They've always
they know about the forty five seventy and don't get
me wrong, Look, the four four four Marlin is a
great caliber. It is a hard hitting, long shooting I
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mean I've sat there and shot one gallon milk jugs
at three hundred yards with the four four to four Marlin.
When the hornity lever revolution AMMO came out, we were
having a great time with So it's a heck of
a good cartridge and I am sure that the companies
will get around to chambering it, but only after they
have pretty much filled the marketplace with the other calibers
(41:12):
that are simply going to sell better. The other issue
is going to be making sure that somebody's loading AMMO
for it. Got to make sure that that's still happenings.
They'll coordinate with that. Now, I appreciate the call start.
It's a great question. Yeah, and people they want to
look that up. The four four to four Marlin. Compare
that to the forty five seventy. It's kind of a
fun comparison being able to use the forty four bullets
(41:34):
in the four four to four Marlin. But still, there's
something kind of cool and special about forty five seventies
using the cartridge that Custer used, you know, at the
Battle of a Little Bighorn.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It was the official US government cartridge, like the thirty
odd to six, like the three oh eight, like the
five five six. It was the forty five to seventy
way back then. So that's kind of fun anyway. You know,
if you are a handloader, you can make it sing
and dance and do a lot of other things that
you can't do with factory ambo, Which gets me back
(42:08):
to yes, I will be. I'm hoping I will get
it this week. I don't know if I will. I
got a new rifle on the way because I needed
a rifle. I thought maybe, after all these years, I
ought to own a rifle. It seems like a good idea,
So I just bought one in three thirty three thirty
eight outs six. Barry goes, what what did you just say? Yeah,
(42:29):
a three thirty eight out six, A thirty odd six
case necked up to three thirty eight take three thirty
eight bullets. Why Because it's stupid, because there's no real
reason for it, because you can't get any AMMO for it,
because you have to work harder to make AMMO and
go out and shoot it. Because I'm just that guy.
(42:50):
I like the tinkering, tweaking stuff. Okay, I mean not
that I wouldn't use a thirty odd six or seven
mag or something else, and I do, but it's just
fun from me to tinker with that stuff. If you
want to carry the conversation further, give me a holler.
We'll talk about it on the after show. Don't forget
to go download our Aftershow or use any podcast app
(43:11):
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actually of gun talk shows available to you that you
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Speaker 3 (43:20):
So look for that.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, let's keep talking about guns. You know, guns
kind of like everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The competition world provides.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The proving ground for a lot of the themes we
end up either using of the techniques we use. I mean,
I don't care if it's NASCAR and we benefit from that,
but competition shooting we pick up a lot of improvements
in our guns and our shooting techniques from the folks
who are out there doing it. One of the guys
who's been doing it for a long time. I'm talking
about sixteen times US National champion, four time world champion,
(00:45):
hundreds of championships and regional state area championships rifle and pistol.
Todd Jarrett joined us right now. Hey, Todd, glad you're here.
I want to know what you were just doing out
in Finland.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, Tom is great to hear from you. Man. It's
been a it's been a while you and I haven't
been on the range together. So we need to go
on the range together pretty soon. Uh, and so I
can tinue you up on some rifle and pistols.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So I was thinking maybe I.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Was thinking, did you I was thinking maybe you needed
an extra lesson to home chewing up yourself and I
can help you out.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Man, I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You know, I haven't seen you shoot a few times,
my friend, I haven't seen you shoot a couple of
times over here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
That's pretty funny. So what are we doing out in Finland?
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh? You know, Tom, I just got back from Finland
just about a week and a half ago. We were
out for the for the World Rifle Championship, which was
actually it fell in the same time as the Olympics. Uh,
so it was really cool for US, uh as we
had seventy one Americans fly over to Finland and uh
(01:50):
and tried to beat up on the all the Nordic countries.
Who are those guys who really know how to shoot
a rifle over there? And we had just the best time.
And my hat goes off to a ton of the Americans.
Uh that did very well over there. We went top
American in several divisions. Uh. And and that girl named
(02:11):
Lena Mitchellik. You know, I think some of your listeners
may know her from from SIG and her her skill
set as being phenomenal uh and I got to shoot
her father on the Super Senior team for with Jerry Mitchelik.
So the w'or over now just phenomenal guy. Just Jerry
(02:32):
and I. We get a chance to shoot together whenever
we can, and we down the team together and we
end up winning you know, gold and silver on that
and then and then the UH team itself actually won
one first place and we beat out the UH, the Fins,
and we beat out the guys from over in Norway.
(02:52):
So just a great experience for me there is you know,
people who do not travel with fiums around the world,
world or even in the US Negotioot competition. It's a
different world traveling, you know, with fire arms and trying
to get ammunition to those places. So it's a it's
something for us that you know, it's it's so critical
(03:14):
for us to be able to get our equipment there,
get our ammunition there. There's a lot of luck in
order to go shoot internationally anymore and try to win
some win the world championship. So a lot of luck
felt my way. I got a gold medal, and so
I was super pleased to win that and get on
(03:34):
the podium and be number one over there. So in
American here at the American flag.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know, I gotta tell you the idea that you
got a lot of luck working for you. You know,
it becomes sixteen times national championship, national champion, four time
world champion, win hundreds of matches through luck. It's a
lot of skill and an awful lot of work that
goes into it. Maybe there's a little bit of luck,
(04:01):
but man, you can't keep winning all these things out
of luck.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well you're right there. I still stay the harder you work,
the luckier you get. And I did put the time
into it. And so for me personally, yeah, I have
you know, spent a lot of time in the range
over years, well over six million rounds in my career shooting,
you know. You know, I have won a lot of
(04:27):
nationals and world championships, and I can't tell you how
many other regional matches I won in my career. Just
got back from one this weekend, uh and having to
win and when a high senior award and finished really
high in the overall match, and so you know, I'm
back on the pistol. But it is it takes a
lot of work, you know, in this game, in the
(04:48):
competition world, but it's so satisfying for me as an
individual and all the people I've met, industry people, yourself
and so many other thousands of people that I have
come acros also, whether it be in teaching, wise or manufacturing,
and just it is. It's a great job to be in.
It is. It can be a hard, lonely job pounding
(05:10):
rounds out, you know, six or seven holes a day
on the range, getting ready. But you know how we are,
you know, we we love the game like we do.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let me ask you something because a lot of people say, yeah,
you know, those are cool and maybe it might be
fun to do that. But I don't really know anything
about picking up or whatever it is IDPA or UESPSA.
I just don't know how I would get started and
what I've told them in the past. I'd love to
get your take on this is just show up. I
swear to you. If you show up and tell people
(05:41):
who are shooting I don't know anything about this. In
about two minutes, you'll be wearing a holster and gun
and mag pouches and everything else and ambo the people
have slung at you and you'll be shooting.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You're exactly right. I'm tell anybody you know, the shooting
sports really are regional. Which you need to understand is
that you need to be able to find a place
to practice. So whether it be in the pistol sports,
a rifle sports, shotgun shooting sports, you need to figure
out in your area where you can go in practice
because you'll get disappointed if you have to travel two
(06:15):
hours in order to shoot a pistol match. What you
may be interested in, you may be interested not interested
in shotgun shooting sports and maybe rifle shooting sports. The
next thing you know, you show up, you have a
range within thirty or forty minutes from your house, and
that may be, you know, the avenue that allows you
to be able to go out and practice and be
(06:36):
competitive in a local area. But you need to know
what's going on in your region. That is the most
important part for me for telling new people who want
to get into the shooting sports. For me, in my area,
there's a lot of pistol shooting goes on and a
lot of shotgun shooting sports. I got to travel for
rifles sports. So for me personally, it's all about the region.
(06:59):
And that's how I became a national world champion because
I had that capability of having local ranges that shot
a lot of handguns.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
All right, let me switch out here.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I didn't tell you what we're going to talk about this,
but just earlier in the show, the subject came up
about double stack nineteen elevens and that has become I mean,
I think it really started with competition, but that's become
a real thing across the board with people interested in them.
And we're at a different level in the quality of
our double stack guns, particularly the double stack nineteen elevens.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And I know you shoot one of those.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You want to talk about that I do well.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Unfortunately, I was the first guy to ever win the
national championship with a high capacity nineteen eleven or twenty
eleven pistol and back in nineteen ninety one, which had
been like a couple of years ago. So I worked
for a company called Pair of Ordnance, which was predominantly
used in competition, law enforcement and you know, and also
(07:55):
concealed carry for years, and then a company called STI
came along, and so the company was brought out a
few years ago from a company called Staccato. They just
changed a name to it, and I went to work.
I've been worth Staccato now over five years. We're making
some of the most beautiful handguns, reliable and handguns on
(08:17):
the market today in my opinion. And I had been
around the industry for a long time in manufacturing, so
I understand all the players. So people who are looking
for a double stack, you know nineteen eleven twenty eleven
style pistol that you've been accustomed to, you know, the
John Browning design is still going on today and becoming
more and more prevalent in the hands of law enforcement
(08:39):
concealed carry, and of course in the competition world, everybody's
using one.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
How do you explain to people who don't know, people
who grew up on Striker fire pistols, what is it
about the nineteen eleven that they need to know?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
The biggest thing about nineteen eleven are the twenty eleven
style pistol, like the Staccato. Today, our manufacturing processes are
so much different than they were five years ago, much
less even ten years ago. The precision accuracy of the
how we manufacture the firearm itself. You're getting inch and
a half two inch groups at twenty five thirty yards away,
(09:14):
which typically we're just factory ammunition, but you'll get a
better feel of how the gun actually feel. As far
as we can make a lighter spring in the gun
so the gun operates easier to load and unload. Trigger
pulls now are so much lighter than the typical striker
fire guns on the market out there. So for me personally,
when I hand someone a Staicato pistol in a range
(09:38):
for a demonstration or for competition, they instantly go wild.
I cannot believe how accurate or how I feel by
using that particular product. So, I mean, there's a lot
of twenty eleven, you know, knockofs out there that are good.
But okay, I worked for Staccato, so I'm kind of
biased towards on them.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, and I've never heard a bad thing about them,
I got to tell you, And that's unusual this world.
Todd Jarrett, I want to thank you for spending a
little time here. Congratulations on winning the gold and Femlin.
That is phenomenal, and for beating that old guy Jerry Mitch,
look too.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
By the way, you bet. Tom's always good friend. If
you need me, if you give me a call, We're
going to range sometime.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That sounds good. Yeah, And I could use a tune up.
I could use more than that. I could use some
basic lessons. Todd Jarrett World Champion. All right, eight six six,
We'll be right back, eight six to six talk gun.
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Let's go to the phones line five. James with us
out of Wyoming. James help me out here.
Speaker 10 (12:54):
Hey, it's a great talk with you again, Tom. I
remember reading this. I believe it might have been an
American rifleman. But they came back and what they said
was from the CMP was that M nineteen oh three
rifles that were built before February nineteen, nineteen eighteen. They
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utilized receivers and bolts which were single heat treated by
a method that rendered some of them brittle, and we're
liable to fracture when fired. So if you have one
of those, basically you got a nice wall hanger. Probably.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh okay, So you need to know when your nineteen
oh three Springfield was made and it was before nineteen eighteen,
did you say.
Speaker 10 (13:38):
Yeah, February of nineteen eighteen. So it might take a
little bit of research, and I think there's some people
out there that do a pretty good job of that
stuff dating it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the CMP, for those who don't know, the Savilian
Marksmanship Program, they put this out and they're telling you
if you have one. Basically, what they're saying is you
have one of those I was made before that date,
you don't want to shoot it at all because if
the metal is brittle, it can't handle the pressure.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And it may just grenade on you.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
Yep, that's exactly so, James, what have.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You been shooting recently?
Speaker 10 (14:12):
You know what, It's funny I talked to you earlier
this spring. I'm out checking water here in Wyoming. We've
had fires over four hundred thousand acres lost in the
last three days. I'm checking water and looking at cattle,
and I'm carrying exactly what I was carrying the day
last time we talked, which is a boat gun two
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twenty three with a can and Leopold three to five
scope on. It's kind of my everyday gun.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Not a three to five, is a three to fifteen.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
I'm sorry, three point five to ten.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm sorry, Ah, okay, three point five defen. That is
one of my favorite loophole scopes. You can pretty much
do anything you want with that. Leave it on three
and a half all the time, and then if you
need more you can crak it up and the four
hundred yards shot is just not that difficult.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You got a good rig like that.
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Yeah, if you're calling a coy out and the chances
are going to be close, you turn her down and
get to see all of them right away.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know. For those who don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And we're doing the same thing over here at Wyoming's
that had some horrible fires. And part of the problem
you have there is you've got the winds. When the
wind comes up, all the firefighters can do is get
out of the way. They can't get in front of
it and try to stop it.
Speaker 10 (15:28):
That's exactly right. We had a real bad batch of
heat lightning come in and it struck it strung it
out from a little ways outside of Buffalo, Wyoming to
just to the north of Gillette, Wyoming. They had three
fires going. The one fire which started in Sheridan County
has actually made it into Montana now and it covered
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fourteen miles one day and it is still uncontained. But
we're looking at around four hundred thousand acres that have
been incinerated, and with that hundreds of miles of fence
line and livestock losses are going to be just horrid,
you know. It's the ranchers out here are going to
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be hurting for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And out here in Idaho, I'll probably have fifteen fires
within thirty thirty five miles of me, and some of
them are pretty big, not as big as that, and
one of the things that's happening over here. And you'll
understand this is we're losing this habitat elk and deer.
And when this stuff burns at these higher elevations like this,
it's not like people say, well, it'll grow.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Back in a few years.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No, it'll grow back in fifty years or one hundred years.
It takes that long at these higher elevations to get
the vegetation back.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
There's some pine and cedar country farther north of the
Gillette area, and some of that is burning. There's a
lot of it's part of the Powder River Breaks area.
A lot of that's just rough country, heavy sage, some cedar.
It will be, you know, as painful as is.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It will be improved.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
As far as grazing.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Last year, yes, it will.
Speaker 10 (17:07):
The wildlife and the habitat, yeah, it's a gone er.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It is. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Look, I appreciate the car, appreciate the heads up on
the CNP warning on that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thank you very much. One of the reasons I want
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The fires is if you are a hunter, if you
have a hunt planned for this fall in the West,
you need to check on what's going on with the
fires because there are large areas that are being closed
that you're not going to be able to get into.
There are also are areas where face through the forest
is going to be gone. I mean when it goes through,
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if it burns hot, you have nothing but sticks left.
And if that's where you had planned to hunt, you're
just going to be in trouble. You're going to be
out of luck. So if you have a Western hunt
planned this year, you need to pay attention to it.
And here's a little inside baseball tip for you. If
you have the on X hunt app on your phone,
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which is, by the way, a great app for figuring
out where the land is and who owns the land
and that type of thing that you can put in
layers and you can see fires, you could even see
smoke patterns. We've been using that to figure out where's
the smoke going to be? Where can we go today?
Where can we fly today? Is it covering up the
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areas where we need to go to? So the on
X hunt is a really effective and useful tool for hunters,
and there's more to it. It's like I probably use
five percent of what it can do, and there's more
to it than that I'm aware of, And I just
need to do more studying. And probably like everybody else
on exes O in dash X, on x hunt and
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you find it on the app store, and probably like
everybody else, I need to go to YouTube because that's
that's where you learn stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
These days. You can learn anything.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You want to fix a car or build a car,
you could probably figure out some kind of video there
for that up. Let's see here. Anthony's online four out
of California. Hey Anthony, you're on gun Talk. What do
you got there, sir?
Speaker 11 (19:07):
How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Thank you?
Speaker 11 (19:10):
Let me be on the show. Hey, I just wanted
to talk about the when you talk about the nineteen
eleven or the twenty eleven. I bought my wife a
staccato a few years ago and now we have three.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Huh, So what I want to know why you bought
your wife one first before you bought one for yourself.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Well, I was happy with what I had until she
cut her hands on one of the the XLS. And
we're in California, so it's not on the roster, so
it's a challenge to get them.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Ah.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
So now we have the XL the.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
XC did did you end up with a model P?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
Is that the third one, No, the XCXL and the
what's the other one? Give me a part in here?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's all right? I mean the staccato.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Everybody I know who has the staccato really loves it.
They are smooth, they shoot well. They're not inexpensive. I
mean you're looking at roughly twenty five hundred dollars range
for those. But I think one of the things that's
happened is Staccato after they bought it for STI, their
marketing is very good, and they've got it into a
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lot of markets, and they've gotten into a lot of
police departments, and people have really and look, I appreciate
the call. I know we've got a bad connection there
on the phone. People have really figured out how nice
they are. And I think one of the things that's
happening is that other gun makers are looking at that
and going, huh, we could do one of those. And
we're seeing more double stack nineteen eleven, where I don't
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think they can call them twenty elevens. I think Staccado
may have the trademark on twenty eleven because that's what's
used for the double stack, but call it a double
stack nineteen eleven. I think we're going to see more
of those coming out. Well, I know we are, because
I know there's some interesting innovations coming some that are
going to be coming out next year that will surprise
you because you're going to go, oh, look what they
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did with a double stack nineteen eleven. And no, I
can't tell you any more about it than that, but
it's going to be really interesting. By the way, speaking
of that kind of thing, we're working on our GT
thirty gun.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Did he say that? Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Some really interesting developments on that just popped up this
week talking to some of the gunmakers. So we're going
to have at least one, maybe several, don't know, but
to celebrate thirty years on the air for Gun Talk Radio,
we're going to have at least one and maybe need more.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Than that of the g T thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I don't know how we would number those, but
we'll give you more about that as we get closer
to it and get more details. All right, eight six
y six Talk Gun, We're open lines, Give me a holler.
So I was thinking about the President's election. I was
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thinking about how Joe Biden and Kamala Harris put in
the White House Office of gun violence prevention is actually
an office in the White House, and it's staffed by
people from the gun ban industry. These are the folks
who gave Joe Biden a lot of money to get elected,
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and he promised them he would push four gun bands
when he got in. Then he went even further and
created an office in the White House for the gun banners.
So here's my thought. Rather than get rid of it
when Donald Trump wins, I say we put Donald Jor
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in charge of it. And the first step is putting
a shooting range in the White House. So I threw
that out on x Twitter. Somebody had a picture of
the White House bowling alley. It would be perfect for
a shooting range. I love that idea. And then Larry
Key from NSSF said, oh yeah, we could do it,
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just like they did the ski and trap range at
Camp David that in SSF helped build. So there's a
thought for it. I love the idea of putting Don
Jor in charge of gun issues at the White House.
Can you even imagine the reaction to that. That'd be
so much fun. Hey, on line five, we got Jerry
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out of Conway, Arkansas. Jerry sounds like you're working on
a project here. What are you doing.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
There?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You gotta turn the radio off.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Man, Okay, how's that?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a lot better. Okay, not talking to you guys.
So what project are you working on there?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Well, I've got a Savage Model twelve that I that
I bought it like in ninety three or ninety four, okay,
And it's a long action and it's chambered in twenty
two too fifty and the dog gun thing when when
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you're changing out the rounds, well, the thing seems to
get lost. You've got to hold the thing over to
load it because it just seems to go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But all right, let me let me see if I
can figure out what's going on here. You got rounds
of the chamber or in the magazine rather, and then
when you're working the action, are these rounds popping out
of the magazine? And now they're kind of loose as
they get pushed into the barrel by the bolt.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah, it's just a squirrely as can be.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, So what do you want to.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Do, Dring, Whether to save that that rifle? Would it
be best to change the barrel out and say it
like a twenty five oh six to save that action.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's not a bad way to go as long as
the action is long enough for that. The thing to
check is the length of the magazine. They may have
a spacer in the magazine where you can't push a
twenty five out six round down in there. But if
they do, you could probably remove that space out of
the mag But before you do all that, if you now,
I don't know if you want to keep it as
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a twenty two two fifty, But if you do, I'm
guessing that the feed lips from the magazine up are
probably spread out a little bit and they could be
bent in. Any good gunsmiths should be able to do that.
And if they tightened up those feed lips from the magazine,
it'll keep that round from popping out and being loose
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in the action as you're pushing the boat forward. That
would be one possibility, but there's nothing to work wrong
with rebarreling it and going with a longer round as
long as you've got room the magazine.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, that thing is just lost in space.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Every time I try to try to.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Chamber another round, it's just it's just you've got to
hold the barrel down towards the ground for the round
to go in there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's no good now that you got definitely have a
problem with the feed lips this. The rounds are popping
out of the magazine too soon as you smove the
boat forward. They should stay inside that magazine about halfway
through the travel from the bolt forward, and what's happens?
They're popping out and now I just say they'll flop around.
So I would say, either bend those speed lips in
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or go ahead and do the rebarrel and all of that,
and a good gunsmith in your area I'll be able
to help you. Look, I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
the twenty two to fifty is a great round, but
it's a much shorter round, and that in a long
action I could see that being a problem. I do
have one of those Model twelve Savages in a single
shot that made it in a single shot version clearly
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not a problem feeding up a magazine because there's no
magazine there. That was an accurate rifle for the time.
All right, eight six six talk gun will get you
in there. We are open lines. If there's a gun
you want to talk about, ask me about, or you
want to share one of your range reports.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
By all means, let's get it on again.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
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Speaker 3 (30:16):
Hey, here's something that's making the rounds on the internet.
It's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know that Robert Kennedy Junior has withdrawn from the
race and endorsed Trump, and now people are posting, well,
you know rs k Jr. He's pro Second Amendment. No,
he's not, and he never has been. He's never been
pro Second Amendment. He's always been in favor of gun bands.
(30:41):
Where does this even come from? I just I don't
understand it. Now, if his endorsement of Trump helps, that's
a fine thing, you know, understanding. Look, I get it
as much as anybody else. Trump may not be as
pro gun as you would want him to be. He's
simply better than the alternative and the real world have
grown ups. You don't get perfect. You just get the
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better of the two choices. And in this case, there
are three good reasons that Trump was good on guns.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Last time.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They all sit in chairs on the Supreme Court, and
once again it will be about judges and justices and
nothing else. Don't worry about everything else's noise, everything else's
background noise trying to distract you ignore all that stuff.
Judges and justices as simple as that. Look at those
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two and say what are they going to put on
the benches? Who are they going to put in the
Supreme Court? That makes the choice very easy, or at
least it should. Okay, age sixty six, talk gun, We'll
get you in here. Barry called in out of Anchorage, Alaska. Barry,
what's going on with the gun rentals up there.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Well, we have got an indoor range at Palmer and
I roso Upfair. We have about twenty pistols we have
acquired over the last few years that we rent out,
and we just got an Air fifteen this year. And
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in July we started having I won't say it with
a flood, but every Sunday when we're we had foreigners
come in. You know, some people from Boston, Canada, Ireland, Holland, Belgium, Germany,
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and they all for some reason one is rent guns
and the Air fifteen was top on the list.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So what are they telling you about that?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Every one of them had no they had seen pictures
of it, they'd heard about it, they wanted to experience it.
They rented, they buy AMMO since they don't know anything
about them. I ended up giving in four weeks in
a row a personal class on the AR fifteen Wayne,
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how it works in some cases, how to avoid malfunctions,
and at the same time I learned about how guns
are handled in their countries.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Is there anything about the AR fifteen that has surprised
them that they tell you about?
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yes, black of wait, lack of recoil. Sheep's better than
anything they'd hoped for. They never read of Red Dot.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Surprised that they're surprised how good it is. It's lightweight,
it has low recoil, it's very accurate, it's comfortable to shoot,
and with a Red Dot it's easy to shoot. And
everybody thought this thing was going to be some horrific thing.
It blows up in her face and makes us sound
like a cannon.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh, by the way, Bert, I love how you name
all the foreign countries, including Boston. That is particularly great.
I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Hey, the guy was, Yeah, he was a foreigner. He
had a forty five seventy with him and he wanted
to give away his AMMO because he wouldn't be able
to bring the AMMO back to Boston.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh my Heavenny days. Yeah that is that does kind
of make you my foreigner when you think about it. Look,
thank you for the calls. I appreciate that. Art's in Portland, Oregon. Hey, Art,
we got a minute or two for you.
Speaker 15 (34:59):
Dive in range report about fifteen years ago. I had
one of those old three springfields made in nineteen seventeen,
shot it for like thirty years, and then one day
it detonated on me and it thanked God for shooting glasses.
But even with the hot gases coming out, I was
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still blind for like totally black for like five minutes,
and then washing them out, all I could see was light.
And then my face looked like I got hit with
number twelve shot out of a twenty two mag and
I still got a couple pieces of steel in my face.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So this is a follow up to the call we
got asked about the recaller that the marksmanship program says
guns made before don't you know three springfields made before
February of two thousand and Niowa correction at nineteen eighteen,
you shouldn't shoot them, right?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (36:00):
Well I did research on mine, and it was supposed
to be any numbers lower than eight hundred and thirty thousand,
and mine was eight hundred and like seventy five thousand,
and I shot it for all those years and then
just one day it just decided I'm getting weak, and
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everything just went south. And when it went off, all
the gases went in my face, and out of reflex,
I threw the gun to my right and when it
hit the rocks, it broke the stock at the pistol grip,
And I know.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That people are asking, well, was it standard?
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Mo?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Had you loaded it all hot? I mean.
Speaker 15 (36:44):
It was Army surplus thirty odd six because you can
get it so dog on cheap two bucks a box,
and I stocked up on it, and I'd been shooting
it for years and years and years, and all of
a sudden, it just like I said, everything went south
all at once. And I mean I was scared when
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you see oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Look when you have a gun go off like that,
and I've had a face full of powder, but not
one that bad before. And for those who are thinking, wow,
our gun's dangerous, now, this is some of the poor
metallurgy from the turn of the last century. It's a
gun made in nineteen seventeen and art.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Look, I got to roll. I appreciate your call, sir.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Just one of those deals of being aware and these
when you got these really old guns, you got to
be particularly careful with them. And what would that make
that gun one hundred and well, if it was fifteen
years ago, call it one hundred years old?
Speaker 6 (37:47):
It is.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
It pays to be.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Plugged in on safety alerts like this. One of the
questions I'm sure people are thinking, well, is well how
would I know, How would I even know there was
an alert that went out on that I would offer
that these days. I mean, yeah, it might be in
the magazines, but it's not a bad idea to be
on a few of the online groups, the bulletin boards,
(38:14):
the forums online that pertain to the type of shooting
you're doing, where you can get these kind of alerts,
you know, maybe on Facebook, maybe in other places.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Certainly. Again, the gun.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Magazines may have that, but there's at least a three
month lead time on those. So if something happens by
the time you see it in a magazine, it's three
to six months old news at that point.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So follow me on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I am at gun Talk and also, you know, plug
into the other online services and groups of similar shooters,
people who do what you do online because they will
share this information. All right, eight six ' six Talk Gun.
You can give me a call right now. We've got
time for it. Hey, right now, it's a good time
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to call. If you want to be part of the
after show, which will kick off in a few minutes.
Give me a call at Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy,
Tom Talk Gun. Can you call it in from Arizona
and Kenny where's on in your mind, sir, Hi.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Tom, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 16 (39:23):
These new lever actions, a new Smith and Western lever
action that's coming out, they're not offered in four four Marlin.
Is there something wrong with the four four four Marlin?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
No, nothing the world wrong with it. But look, here's
the deal.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
If you are a gunmaker like Marlin or Smith and Wesson,
you're making a new lever action, You're gonna chamber that
in the cartridges that are going to be the best sellers.
That's going to be the forty five to seventy in
the big one and forty four magnums and maybe three
fifty seven and somewhere along the line. Probably in their
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plans over the next two three years, they're saying, you know,
when when we get around to it, we will chamber
for the four four four Marlin. It's just that that's
not I mean, that's probably going to sell one of
those for every fifty forty five seventies. So they're just
not going to devote any time to that until they
have kind of saturated the market with the forty five seventies.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 16 (40:21):
Yes, Just so I wonder if there's something deficient about
the four four four that they're not offering it.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I think it's just a case of they can't make
them all, and they're going to make the ones they
know we're going to sell immediately, because there are going
to be a lot of people who don't know about
the four four four Marlin, don't appreciate it. They've always
they know about the forty five seventy and don't get
me wrong, Look, the four four four Marlin is a
great caliber. It is a hard hitting, long shooting I
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mean I've sat there and shot one gallon milk jugs
at three hundred yards with the four four to four Marlin.
When the hornity lever revolution AMMO came out, we were
having a great time with So it's a heck of
a good cartridge and I am sure that the companies
will get around to chambering it, but only after they
have pretty much filled the marketplace with the other calibers
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that are simply going to sell better. The other issue
is going to be making sure that somebody's loading AMMO
for it. Got to make sure that that's still happenings.
They'll coordinate with that. Now, I appreciate the call start.
It's a great question. Yeah, and people they want to
look that up. The four four to four Marlin. Compare
that to the forty five seventy. It's kind of a
fun comparison being able to use the forty four bullets
(41:34):
in the four four to four Marlin. But still, there's
something kind of cool and special about forty five seventies
using the cartridge that Custer used, you know, at the
Battle of a Little Bighorn.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It was the official US government cartridge, like the thirty
odd to six, like the three oh eight, like the
five five six. It was the forty five to seventy
way back then. So that's kind of fun anyway. You know,
if you are a handloader, you can make it sing
and dance and do a lot of other things that
you can't do with factory ambo, Which gets me back
(42:08):
to yes, I will be. I'm hoping I will get
it this week. I don't know if I will. I
got a new rifle on the way because I needed
a rifle. I thought maybe, after all these years, I
ought to own a rifle. It seems like a good idea,
So I just bought one in three thirty three thirty
eight outs six. Barry goes, what what did you just say? Yeah,
(42:29):
a three thirty eight out six, A thirty odd six
case necked up to three thirty eight take three thirty
eight bullets. Why Because it's stupid, because there's no real
reason for it, because you can't get any AMMO for it,
because you have to work harder to make AMMO and
go out and shoot it. Because I'm just that guy.
(42:50):
I like the tinkering, tweaking stuff. Okay, I mean not
that I wouldn't use a thirty odd six or seven
mag or something else, and I do, but it's just
fun from me to tinker with that stuff. If you
want to carry the conversation further, give me a holler.
We'll talk about it on the after show. Don't forget
to go download our Aftershow or use any podcast app
(43:11):
you can find, because you've got lots, hundreds and thousands
actually of gun talk shows available to you that you
haven't heard before.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
So look for that.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
In the meantime, go out and do a little shooting.
Ask somebody to go with you. Be safe out there,
watch those muzzles, and pick yourself up a gun for
which there's no anmle be like Tom
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