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-- David Higginbotham, from Sarariland, explains the reason for a retention holster when carrying openly or concealed.
-- Crime Victim Nikki Goeser explains why she will not vote for Kamala Harris.
-- How to work up loads for your hunting rifle.
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-- David Higginbotham, from Sarariland, explains the reason for a retention holster when carrying openly or concealed.
-- Crime Victim Nikki Goeser explains why she will not vote for Kamala Harris.
-- How to work up loads for your hunting rifle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So, so many people have gotten into conceal carry, whether
it's in a constitutional carry state or you got a permit,
or maybe even you just kind of got started with
competition shooting with handguns. Well, you know what, one of
the things you need is a holster. No, actually, you
probably end up needing a whole bunch of holsters. That's
a whole different story. We'll talk about that. But joining
(00:57):
me right now is David Higginbotham from Farireland. David, welcome
and tell people what safari Land is first of all, Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That one's easy. Safari Land is the industry leader, undisputed
in the outside the waistband holster category. We make those
really intensive, duty rated retention holsters that provide that security
for law enforcement and military, and we have made a
concerted effort really within the last four years to bring
that same level of expertise back to what we do
(01:27):
on the d wasteban and the everyday carry side of
the house.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, because I was just thinking about safari Land. When
I think safari Land in the old days, I think
a heavy leather belt and a leather holster for duty
use by cops.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And you've come a long way since then.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yes, that's still the foundation of what we do. Our
mission is together we say lives. Fundamentally, what we're looking
for on the duty rated side is that combination of
a firearm in the holster, the holster on the belt,
and the belt staying on the officer or realistically the
person who's wearing it. There are a lot of folks
out there who are not bound by duty or service
who still liked the retention that our holsters provide, but
(02:06):
those outside the waistband holsters that we built this company
on there are bomb proof, and they're very, very popular
for a reason. You know, we've been doing this now
for more than sixty years, and we own most of
those contracts for law enforcement and military nationally and internationally.
Because the product that we make doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Fail realistically, explain why somebody who's doing conceal care and
not a police officer would want retention in his or
her holster.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Absolutely so. The best example that I would point to
right now is a project that we've been working on
for the last couple of years, a holster called Solis.
Solis is a very small compact culture. We built it
first for the Glock forty three and forty eight. We've
expanded that now for the Glock nineteen the double stack
size up to the seventeen really and Solis is a
very tight, form fitting holster that rides high outside the waistband,
(03:01):
but it's easily concealed by the shirt tail or by
the coat of a jacket, especially during winter time. It's
very popular on the law enforcement side. We've seen a
lot of detectives who are not needing that full on
duty belt with all of the attachments and gig us
things hanging off. They want something that they can pop
in and out with a paddle that's still going to
hold that firearm there. Should they have to get in
(03:23):
and out of a car, maybe they need to spontaneously
start patting the pavement on a little bit of a run,
or maybe they're going to do a backflip on the
dance floor. And they want that gun to stay exactly
where it needs to be. And the traditional friction fit
that a lot of holster makers out there swear by
is good for speed and access.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
You want to make that draw with no impediments. It's
the same philosophy that has guided a lot of firearm
manufacturers to remove the manual safeties from the slides of
their firearms. You don't want anything standing between you. The
reality is there are a lot of good reasons why
you want the gun to stay in the holster. I'm
merely driven by the fact that ninety nine percent of
your everyday Carrie lifestyle is going to be with that
(04:06):
gun seated firmly in place, and you want to know
it's going to stay exactly right there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It's funny, as you're talking there, I'm thinking I created
an acronym because at our training facility, we put people
through forest force training and what we get is almost
every time at the end of it, they say, well,
I never thought of that, and I call it into it.
I MTOT, I never thought of that. So what you're
describing is people think retention, No, somebody's going to try
(04:31):
to grab my gun, and I'm thinking, now, that's actually
a smaller part of it. For those of us who
are not police officers. It's actually, is it going to
stay there when I'm getting out of a chair, when
I'm getting out of my car, when I'm running around,
when I'm moving, when i'm you know, all these things
we do.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And look, anybody who has.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Carried a gun for years has had a gun start
to come out or actually all the way come out
of a holestre at some point.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And that's one of the worst feelings.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Possible, absolutely, And it's the common everyday occurrences that you
never think of. Right. The one that I highlight for
folks is you pop into the bathroom at Walmart and
you have to take a seat, you drop your drawers,
and you won't have firearm to stay right there and
not go sliding across that tile floor. It's a serious
consideration that nobody likes stuck.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
About somebody in the other stall. Hey, could you hand
me my gun back? Please? That's right, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Not something do you want to go for?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Not good? All right?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So, I mean I think of the Fireland originally as
all leather, but you've definitely moved into the Kayitex and
on the other materials these days.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So Fireland was based off of Neil Perkins originally, and
then we added John Byankee's Company Byankee, Both of those
were leather makers. Then Bill Rogers from Rogers Holsters out
of Florida, he joined the mix. And Bill was the
one who actually patented the first Kaidex holster. It was
outside the waistband, but he owns that technology. So most
(05:56):
of what you think of now in terms of our
use of either Boltron or in jay To multiplastics, grew
out of the lineage of Rogers Holsters. Specifically, he was
the one who pioneered the rigidity that Bolton and Tidex,
those two materials, which are both thermoform plastics, provide for us.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You could work in a lot of different areas of
the comparty.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're coordinating between the manufacturing and the marketing and even
the training side, what is it The people generally, particularly
when they're first getting into everyday carry, don't understand about
holsters and holsters systems.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
So on the outside the waistband side, the complexity that
has been baked in at Safari Land is it's daunting.
They don't understand how our retention systems are measured.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We have the.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Automatic locking system and the secure locking strap, both of
which are manual systems that you have to disengage, and
their combination provides the increasing levels of security. So that
fundamentally is where the missing interpretation of what we do
and why we do it becomes challenging for those folks
(07:05):
who are trying to decipher it on their own. Lots
of numbers, lots of acronyms, and that for us, is
a marketing nightmare. On the in waste band side, it's
really the fact that simply owning the firearm itself does
not make you any safer than you are before you
own it. You have to get out and train, you
have to practice, you have to do so safely, and
(07:27):
that's a compulsive part of what we do. We provide
the means for people to carry every day, but they
have to take that next step. Step it up, do
the training, get their hands on, put in the round counts,
put in the draws, to make sure that they're actually
not a liability to themselves and others, but an asset.
And that's hard for us to communicate.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And let me jump into that, and that is and
you don't teach yourself the stuff. You need to go
somewhere where you have an actual instructor who has experience,
who has eyes on you and says, okay, yeah, slow down,
let's try this again. Because I mean, and yeah, you
can learn a lot of stuff off of YouTube. You can,
but the reality is what you can get out of
one to three to five day class is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It will put you years ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Absolutely, it's fundamental to what we do. We could not
do what we do without that level of training and
cooperation among the community.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
One thing I want to add to this is that,
like everybody else, I've done the inside waistband carry. I've
been carrying for a bout of thirty years or more,
and oh, a few years ago, I don't know how
long I switched to outside to waistband, but still conceal
carry and just wear cover garment that takes care of that,
and for me, the increase in comfort level was incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I really like OBB.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And I stage carry based off of the weather outside.
Obviously I'm in Arkansas. We sometimes get up above the
one hundred mark and I tend to wear shorts and
a T shirt, so that limits what I can carry
and how I can carry it. Right, So it's good
to not only train with an in wasteband appendix carry
holster like being Kagax, something that's really purpose built to
carry the glock nineteen size unpacked guns, but to work
(09:01):
with something outside the waistband for those cooler days or
when you actually are wearing like a button down shirt
that you're not tucking in. It's very very easy. Like
you said, it's totally appropriate to switch, but you have
to maintain that familiarity because a lot of what we
preach as far as defensive handgun use comes from your
ability to know your equipment, know your firearm, and know
(09:24):
your strengths and weaknesses with your ability to get on
target fast, and that requires you to extend that training
passed in waistband and onto the outside the waistband.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You make a good point, and particularly if you're switching
back and forth, you need to make sure that you
are doing some practice, some dry fire practice, draws and
everything else so that you are completely familiar with where's
my gun?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which gun am I carrying? You know? Where do I
have the hole? Stir? How do I get it out
of there?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And it really doesn't take all that much, but you
have to make a commitment to Okay, I am switching
out to summer carrier, whatever it is, and I'm going
to work on that until it is instinctive and I
don't have to think about it.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It comes down to being comfortable with how you carry, right,
because so many people who are who are carrying concealed
for the first time are nervous about carry and they
have tells like like somebody playing poker, They're constantly touching
the phone.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Juste.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You need to be one hundred percent confident with whatever
style you choose to carry into that end. I would
say switching between in wastepan and appendix carry a strong side.
Those are two completely different styles to carry and require
different things from you in your natural environment.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, you make a point.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I love it when people first start carrying, they walk around,
they think that there's a sign over their head that says,
man with a gun, stop touching your gun.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's still where you left it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
That's right. It should be. Maybe it's not, but it
should be.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
With a good retention, it should be right.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That's right. I'm going to wrap it right around right
there to the message.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Retention matters even if it's a passive. So part of
what we do with our passive retention systems is we
build in indentations in the material itself that either grabs
a trick reguard or grabs the ejection port. So when
you put your firearm in, you will hear a really
nice positive click. That's a little harder to do. On
(11:09):
a leather holstery, you don't have the same positive response.
But on the Kaidex or the volts Aron that we
work with, you know when your firearm is properly seated
and safe, and that auditory response is part of this
development of comfort that allows us to move with that
level of confidence.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And you've got an awful lot of information. I've got
a ton of information on your website Sofarireland dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It'll help you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Pick a holster, figure out what works for you or
maybe what the systems are, and don't forget the belt
because the belt is an essential part of the system.
All right, So so farreland dot com. That'll get you there.
I know there are a lot of questions when people start.
There is a reason why we end up with a
box fiddle full of holsters. Once you do this for
a while.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yes, indeed, I just ebade one.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Did you really?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I did?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yes, I did well.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
David Hiccoboza, thank you so much for your time. I
appreciate the heads up off the fireland and keep us posting.
I know you're bringing out new things all the time.
Let us know.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Okay, absolutely, we'll do Thanks right, question take.
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Speaker 2 (14:24):
Back with you here. Several court cases popping up. Let's
see Illinois federal judge rules that the state's public transportation
carry van is unconstitutional. Illinois, they have a law that
says if on public transportation, you cannot carry your concealed
carry gun. Well, federal judge says, no, that's not constitutional. Uh.
(14:48):
Probably the appealed that's okay, But we win this one
and we'll see where that goes. Let's see, this one
was interesting in the Eighth Circuit deed an appeal for
an ond Bunk that's in the circuit court. The circuit
actually denied the appeal on their unanimous decision that said
(15:15):
you cannot ban eighteen to twenty one year olds from
carrying guns. We're winning on the bands where they say
eighteen nineteen twenty year olds cannot carry guns. Of course
you're saying no, no, these are actually citizens, they're adults.
They have the all the rights of an adult. You
(15:35):
cannot strip them of those. We didn't get a bad
decision out of Oregon. Horrible decision on so called ghost
guns basically unserialized guns, guns that don't have serial numbers,
which have always been legal. Make your own gun, you
don't have to put a serial number on it. And
actually a lot of guns made before nineteen sixty eight
don't have Cereal numbers on them because they were not
(15:56):
required before nineteen sixty eight. But the way this as
you wrote this opinion, was pretty terrible. That's going to
be appealed and we will end up winning that one
as well. Probably the big one is the appeal that
has been put into the US Supreme Court asking them
(16:17):
to grant seurctuary basically to take the case on Maryland's
ban on semi automatic rifles. They call it the assault
weapon ban. And so this is going to be a chance,
and this one should be ripe because there was an
Illinois case same thing, but it hadn't gone through all
(16:40):
the appeals yet, and then the Supreme Court turned it
down basically saying we're not going to take it till
you have exhausted all the possible options and then we
will take a look at it. Well, Maryland, is there
this case coming out of Maryland and they're so called
assaut weapons ban. I think the Supreme Court will take it.
(17:00):
You know, we never know, never know, but if they do,
it's a chance for them to spell it out. Here's
one of the things that's happened. Let me explain. Under
the Heller decision of the Supreme Court, they said that
guns that are in common use for lawful purposes such
as self defense, cannot be banned. The wording is important,
(17:25):
guns that are in lawful that are in common use
for lawful purposes. What's happened is the gun banners now
are going to the courts and saying the court said
that guns that are in common use for self defense
cannot be banned, and so they're saying, so these guns
AR fifteens are not in common use for self defense,
(17:48):
so you can ban them. Let's be clear here. The
Supreme Court did not say that. It did not say
anything about guns that are used in self defense it
cannot be banned. It said guns that are in common use,
and it gave an example of the common use for
common use for lawful purposes. Guns that are in common
(18:10):
use for lawful purposes such as self defense, and also
such as targets to do such as hunting, such as
It could have listed a whole bunch of different lawful purposes,
but it just gave one. But that's not restrictive. This
is the gamesmanship that goes on. The shifting of words,
(18:35):
and changing one or two words can change everything. What
it has done is given a few judges, I would say,
dishonestly to change or alter their.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Rulings so that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They can say we can ban these guns be cause
they're not commonly used for self defense. That's not the
criteria that was set out by the Supreme Court. The
Supreme Court simply said you can't ban guns that are
in common use for lawful purposes. There are depend on
which count. You look at about twenty two million AR
(19:18):
fifteens owned by citizens in the US. That makes it
incredibly common, and they're used for lawful purposes clearly. I mean, look,
air fifteens are statistically rarely used in crime. More people
are killed with fists and feet, more people are murdered
(19:39):
with fists and feet than they are with air fifteens.
Because that kind of tells you where it ranks. Not
that any murder is not significant, it is, obviously, but
in terms of what's common and what's not, I mean,
they're not used for murders that much. They are used
for lawful purposes.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So you got twenty two million the ars. I don't
know how many people.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
On them because a lot of people own more than one,
and people said, why was you owned more than one?
Why was you own more than one? Golf club in
your bag for different uses. You got your competition gun,
your long range gun, your three gun three gun competition gun,
you got your hunting rifle, you got your home defense rifle.
You've got the one that you used for parade dog shooting,
(20:23):
for varmer hunting. You got to all rigged up different ways.
I mean, I could come up with an easy eight
to twelve different uses where you would eed eight to
twelve different ars, and it wouldn't have to be an
AR fifteen. It could be an AR ten, in which
case now you open the world up to larger calibers.
(20:43):
So I mean you could have you know, ars and
straight wall cartridges that you can use in some places
where you cannot hunt with a bottleneck cartridge. You have
ars in three eights and three thirty eight Federal and
three point fifty eight winchest are in six y five
creed More, and you just go on and on.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They are so versatile, and you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Can swap out the upper, swap out the barrels, swap
out we're really everything on them. They can become customized
to the individual. The point here is simply this. The
AR really now is America's rifle. It is the most
popular model of rifle in America. It's the one that
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people coming out of the military for the last thirty
years are familiar with, and they come back here they
want an AR to use for hunting, for competition, for
just pure recreational shooting, and so they buy those. So
I think once this get to the Supreme Court, we're
going to win this. They're going to strike down the
bands on ars and semi automatics and standard capacity magazines,
(21:54):
and we'll be back to where we were before the
Clinton gun ban came in to effect. Oh yeah, that
would be the one that Kamala Harris wants to reinstate.
She keeps saying, we have to bring back the ban
on the saw weapons. She definitely wants to confiscate your
guns only starting with one time. All right, backly the time, Grashman,
(22:23):
it's gun talking. A lot of people are weighing in
on the election. We've got Kamala Harris now instead of
Joe Biden, from the people who told us he's sharpest
attack and behind closed doors, he says sharp as he
can be.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Of course, lying to us the whole time.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And now you got Kambala Harris, who has been pushing
for gun control for her entire career, not just gun control,
gun confiscation. Of course, now that she's running for president,
she says, Oh, yeah, I didn't really mean that. I'm
not really for that. Well, a lot of people are
speaking out about that, particularly some victims of crime. Oh,
joining us right now, as Nicki Goster. She just wrote
(22:58):
a piece on town town hall dot com about why
she is not going to be voting for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Nikki, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Hey Tom, thanks so much for having.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Me on you bet.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I guess I should probably wrap this up and explain
to people. Some people know your story. You were the
victim of a horrible crime, had a stalker who ended
up murdering your husband in public. Was this ten years ago?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Now? This is actually fifteen years ago. My husband was
murdered right in front of me by a man who
was stalking me.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And as a result, you have become a personality in
the gun rights world speaking out about that and about
how women should take control of their own safety. I mean,
this is not a comment on you or anything that
you did. But this is a role that you have adopted.
You want to talk about that for a second before
(23:56):
you talk about Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
In two thousand and nine, my husband Ben was murdered
in front of me by a man who was stalking me.
This occurred inside of a very busy restaurant in Nashville, Tennessee.
It was a gun free zone, and at that time
in the state of Tennessee. Because it was a gun
free zone, I followed the law and I left my
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legal permitted firearm, but I normally carried for self defense
locked inside of my vehicle. Of course, the man who
was stalking me did not have a handgun carry permit,
did not follow the law, brought a gun into a
gun free zone, and when I had management asked him
to please leave, he pulled a forty five from under
his jacket and shot my husband seven times in front
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of myself and everyone in the middle of that busy restaurant.
I'll never know if I could have prevented that. I
was denied a chance. I was stalked and defenseless. So
I have for the past fifteen years tried to educate
people about the dangers of gun free zones and why
being able to carry in more places. It's so incredibly
important because bad guys don't care. They don't care, and
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I'm tired of seeing good people absolutely helpless and defenseless.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Your story is actually you really close to this Susannah
Grossia hup story out of clean Texas. You know another
generation ago where she left her gun in the truck
because Texas said you couldn't carry in the restaurant, and
then she watched her parents killed in.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Front of her.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yeah, Susannah is a great person. I actually I'm friends
with her now, and she's actually part of the reason,
a major reason that I decided to speak out. I
ended up calling her. I got her phone number through
mutual contacts, and she really encouraged me to speak up,
and so I did. And I owe part of that
(25:53):
to Susannah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So, given your history, how does that affect how you
see Kamala Harris?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Well, I wrote in my piece, you know from Kamala
Harris she supported the whole defund police movement. You know,
it's caused real long term damage by painting police with
this broad brush as being racist and you know, not
deserving of respect. And what I mean being a police officer,
this is a very difficult job to begin with. And
(26:26):
you know, they took away necessary funding and resources from
police across the country and now police, you know, they're hemorrhaging.
Years after this defund police movement, droves of good police
have left, many are still leaving and you know, choosing
to retire early and quite frankly, I mean, who can
(26:46):
really blame them disrespect for law enforcement. It's been debilitating
the morale issues that has caused, and they've got serious
police recruitment and retention crisis. Now they're happened to lower
stand just to fill uniforms. And you know, when you
go in you lower standards, you take a risk of
(27:07):
having more bad apples and more issues that could potentially
create more of those same issues that defund police movements
you know, initially complained about, and the lack of good
policing I believe will make the public less safe.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You also have Harris's well what she did in California
being soft on crime, releasing people from prison, turning out
violent felons to go pray on people again. That has
to really sting given your history.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Well absolutely, yeah, yeah, it's terrifying for victims and their
families and their friends. You know, my soccer is set
to be released from prison in twenty twenty eight, and
that is absolutely terrifying for me. I think a lot
of people seem to believe that, oh, if you murder someone,
you know you're going to be in prison forever. And
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that's not the case in the liberal courts, liberal DA's
they they let these people out all the time, and
they are a danger to society. And you know, Kamala
supports all of these gun control laws, and these laws
really make it very difficult for law abiding people to
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protect themselves, and it only makes assault murder easier for
violent criminals and they're out there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Unfortunately, she completely opposes the idea of having teachers or
staff people and schools have guns with training so they
can protect themselves and protect the children, basically saying.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Just leave it to the cops.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
At the same time she's saying defund the police exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, she's made it more difficult for citizens to get
the help that they need in times of crisis when
police are needed. And then she wants to take away
so sensibility to protect themselves. So what are citizens supposed
to do.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
What are you hearing? I mean, you speak out on this.
You are a public personality, now on this. What are
you hearing from women about the idea of who's going
to take care of them versus them taking care of themselves.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
More and more I am hearing women that are realizing that,
you know, the government's not going to take care of you,
the courts are not going to protect you. Police being
defunded and demoralized, and you know, it's very difficult for
women to feel safe. And women are starting to realize, hey,
(29:43):
I've got to be able to protect myself. And that's
why you see this huge rise in women that are
going and buying guns. And you know, like in Tennessee,
we have constitutional carry. Now, I still have my handgun
carry permit. I've got the lifetime permit, but you know,
if you're a woman and you travel, you need it
(30:04):
for reciprocity. More and more women are getting their handgun
carry permit because they realize that, look, even if a
woman faced against an unarmed mail attacker, a gun is
a great equalizer for that woman in that disparity of
forced situation.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You know, oh, absolutely, Lli.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You got two hundred and fifty pounds man versus a
one hundred and fifty pound woman. The disparity and strength
and everything is just it's overwhelming. And you need the gun.
That's what's going to keep you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Safe, honestly, absolutely. And you know, it's especially important that
women who do choose to carry a gun be able
to do so in more places so that we can
protect ourselves. And gun free zones prevent us from being
able to do that very thing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
So, Kavla Harris likes gunfy zones, doesn't want teachers to
be able to carry, wants to ban guns, wants to compass,
and she's actually come out in favor of the confiscation
of the most popular guns in America. And I don't know,
I'm with you. I don't know why anyone would vote
for that.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, yeah, I tell you. The mainstream media plays a
role in this as well. You know, her liberal media cheerleaders.
They want people to believe that guns are bad. That's
what they want the public to believe. And never do
you hear the mainstream media talk about defensive gun use cases.
And it's so frustrating for me because I know that
(31:34):
guns are not bad. Guns are used every single day
in this country to help save innocent lives. And you
can just go to our website at crimeresearch dot org
and you can see the defensive gun use cases. We've
compiled them so that people understand that guns are not bad.
Guns can can help save innocent lives.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And they do every day. At crimeresearch dot org has
all all that. Nikki, thank you so much for your time.
Thank you for being willing to speak out. I appreciate
what you're doing. Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
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Speaker 2 (34:37):
I really appreciate Nikki being willing to speak out for
her horrific experience. I mean, her husband was murdered in
front of her in a crowded restaurant, this guy who
had been stalking her. She's been working for the last
fifteen years to make sure this guy stays in prison,
and now they've got a release date when he's eligible
(34:59):
for and she says it's terrifying for her because chances
are this guy may return to what he was doing before.
That's the kind of thing where Kamala Harris says, yeah,
just let him go. She I mean not just says
that she did let them go when she was the
district attorney huh, which is attorney general. I wonder if
(35:25):
she actually prosecuted any cases, she actually argued any cases
in court. I've not been able to find the evidence
that she did switching now. I mentioned earlier that I
got this new rifle and I got it in on Friday.
Have not had a chance to shoot it because there's
no AMMO for it. It's a great caliber. It was
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made a factory caliber by Alpha Arms, a square actually
a square, it's a three thirty eight dollars six, went
into production and then went quickly out. Nobody's making ammal
for it anymore, so I have to do it myself.
I'm weird this way.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I like handloading my own AMMO. I like working up
my own loads. There is load data out there for it,
and you may have to go back to some older
load manuals or go online to different groups, but you
can find that I've been stocking up on some bullets.
I already had primers and powder. I had to buy
some thirty out six cases and I'll just neck those up.
You run those through the expanded dye, the resizing dye,
(36:30):
and then you seek the three thirty eight caliber bullets.
Talk about how do you do that? You work your
way up. You use published loads, only stay with published
loads things that are in loading manuals. Oh, here's the
thought for you. The new loading manuals are kind of
expensive forty fifty bucks, but you can a lot of
(36:51):
times buy used like one or two version older loading
manuals for almost nothing if you look online eBay or
places like that, And those manners are fine. They may
not have the latest powders in them, but they have
good powders and you can still use those and you
can work up your loads. You know, start somewhere at
(37:12):
the low end of the published loads, and then load
like maybe three rounds, and then increase the powder charge
by a grain and load three rounds and take them
out to the range and shoot them and see which
one shoots the best in your rifle. A lot of
times what you're going to find this is very interesting.
You said, Well, I want the best velocity out of it,
(37:34):
the most velocity I can get.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
That may not be necessary. In fact, I know it's
not necessary.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Often we find that the best accuracy comes from a
load that's just a little bit below the max load,
And so just a thought when you're working it up.
Speaking of that, we were at the range this week
shooting some loads and chronographing some seven mag loads, factory loads.
(38:04):
They were all over the place. The velocity varied by
as much as two hundred and fifty feet per second
out of a box of high quality, normally high quality
factory loads. And then my buddy who was shooting the
seven mag, shot some loads that I had loaded for
him in seven mag and they were right on the money,
all being right where they are supposed to be. That's
(38:25):
kind of what handloading is about. You're fine, tuning it,
you're customizing it, you have control over it. The reality is,
unless you are chronographing your factory loads, you don't really
know what the velocity is.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You don't really know how consistent they are.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
If you want the best loads possible, you might want
a handload, or at the very least invest in a
chronograph so you know what you're getting out there. I mean,
there's really good factory loads out there, don't get me wrong,
But until you check them yourself, it just don't really know.
At least my thoughts on my numbers eight six y
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gun talking all right back with you, Tom Gresher eight
six to six Talk gun. If you want to join
us now or for the after show, you can give
you a holler.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Matt did that. He's in Hovey Valley, Arizona. Hey, Matt,
what you thinking?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Well, I'm going to tell you about the Safari Land holster.
Awesome holsters, very awesome. When I find something I like,
I use it for as long as I can. I've
got like ten holsters for my NP shield nine that
I've been carrying since twenty thirteen. But that Safari Land
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in the waist van is what it is, and it's
very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
How long have you How long have you been carrying
a gun?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Okay? I've been carrying a gun since twenty fourteen. It
was made twenty thirteen, okay, and it's an MP shield
nine but I won't change. I know it's a little
bit less on the mag capacity, but I love it.
It's comfortable for the size and that holster they made
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for it, not specifically for mine, but the MMP it
fits perfectly and it doesn't jiggle around and you can
adjust the tention on it.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, you know, And that's the critical part. It's got
to be comfortable, it's got to be secure. You got
to know that it's going to hold a gun right
where you want it, and don't worry about the capacity.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Let me do you do you carry an extra magazine
when you carry.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
I carry too. I carry another one that's eight and
then the original one that was I think seven.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okay, that sounds right.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
So all right, so you got the gun, the mag
and the gun and two extra Magsine sounds to me
like you're okay there.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Oh yeah, and you know I ordered it. I'll make
it real quick because I know you're done, but I
ordered it and when it came in it was on
a Sunday morning and I had to go to church.
I already spoke of this about months ago, but I've
been caring ever since then. I'm not going to switch holsters,
and with the yard Shell coming up, I'm just gonna
(41:19):
sell the rest.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Like the rest of us, we all have all these holsters.
We all need to be getting rid of our holsters.
You know, hey, I appreciate the call. Thank you for actually, well, yeah,
we ought to do. We all like to get together
and put all our holsters out, and anybody gets any
holster they want for free. You just go over and
pick one out of somebody else's box and then he
can do the same thing to you. And we're basically
just going to do a big holster swap. I can
(41:44):
see this like a big, huge community holster swap deal.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
But barring that, you're right.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
We end up with all these holsters because we're trying
to find the one that fits that works for us.
We'll try this, We'll try kayaks, we'll try up polyformed
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Then we'll try leather.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And I'm like everybody else, I have multiple boxes of holsters.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Boy, you are so right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
One other tip I would give when you find a
holster that really works for you, not only do you
buy that one, can I recommend that you buy a
second one just like it. Now They may leave it
in the line for the next fifty years, or you
may go back for a replacement in a year and
they have dropped it, and you're going, boy, I should wish.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I had one of those.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, I think we probably all have done that
in some form or fashion, that for something. So when
you find something that really works for you, that's really
comfortable and really secure, it might be worth considering to
buy a second one and just put it in storage.
But don't put it in the box with all those
holsters you're going to get rid of, because that would
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really be terrible for you to get rid of the
holster that works for you because you got rid of
the spear. So just saying not that I've ever done
anything like that, Yes I have, because sometimes my brain
goes on a walk about I have no idea what
it's gonna do.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I wonder where my brain went today. I don't know.
I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
All right, If you want to join this for the
after Show'll call me right now. Eat six ' six
talk gun. In the meantime, make a commitment to carry
all the time. Get some training. Be serious about this.
It's your parachute. It's the fire extinguisher. It's the thing
that can help keep you alive and protect your loved ones.
It is that important. Make the commitment. Be safe out there.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Grescha. If you're
an eight sixty six Talk gun or Tom Talk gun,
easier that way to remember for sure. If you want
to give me a call, tell me what you've been shooting,
what you've been buying, experiences you have had at the range.
I'm going to be sharing a couple that happened at
the range when I was out there this week. Basically,
we just sit around the digital campfire and swap stories.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So, so many people have gotten into conceal carry, whether
it's in a constitutional carry state or you got a permit,
or maybe even you just kind of got started with
competition shooting with handguns. Well, you know what, one of
the things you need is a holster. No, actually, you
probably end up needing a whole bunch of holsters. That's
a whole different story. We'll talk about that. But joining
(00:57):
me right now is David Higginbotham from Farireland. David, welcome
and tell people what safari Land is first of all, Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That one's easy. Safari Land is the industry leader, undisputed
in the outside the waistband holster category. We make those
really intensive, duty rated retention holsters that provide that security
for law enforcement and military, and we have made a
concerted effort really within the last four years to bring
that same level of expertise back to what we do
(01:27):
on the d wasteban and the everyday carry side of
the house.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, because I was just thinking about safari Land. When
I think safari Land in the old days, I think
a heavy leather belt and a leather holster for duty
use by cops.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And you've come a long way since then.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yes, that's still the foundation of what we do. Our
mission is together we say lives. Fundamentally, what we're looking
for on the duty rated side is that combination of
a firearm in the holster, the holster on the belt,
and the belt staying on the officer or realistically the
person who's wearing it. There are a lot of folks
out there who are not bound by duty or service
who still liked the retention that our holsters provide, but
(02:06):
those outside the waistband holsters that we built this company
on there are bomb proof, and they're very, very popular
for a reason. You know, we've been doing this now
for more than sixty years, and we own most of
those contracts for law enforcement and military nationally and internationally.
Because the product that we make doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Fail realistically, explain why somebody who's doing conceal care and
not a police officer would want retention in his or
her holster.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Absolutely so. The best example that I would point to
right now is a project that we've been working on
for the last couple of years, a holster called Solis.
Solis is a very small compact culture. We built it
first for the Glock forty three and forty eight. We've
expanded that now for the Glock nineteen the double stack
size up to the seventeen really and Solis is a
very tight, form fitting holster that rides high outside the waistband,
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but it's easily concealed by the shirt tail or by
the coat of a jacket, especially during winter time. It's
very popular on the law enforcement side. We've seen a
lot of detectives who are not needing that full on
duty belt with all of the attachments and gig us
things hanging off. They want something that they can pop
in and out with a paddle that's still going to
hold that firearm there. Should they have to get in
(03:23):
and out of a car, maybe they need to spontaneously
start patting the pavement on a little bit of a run,
or maybe they're going to do a backflip on the
dance floor. And they want that gun to stay exactly
where it needs to be. And the traditional friction fit
that a lot of holster makers out there swear by
is good for speed and access.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
You want to make that draw with no impediments. It's
the same philosophy that has guided a lot of firearm
manufacturers to remove the manual safeties from the slides of
their firearms. You don't want anything standing between you. The
reality is there are a lot of good reasons why
you want the gun to stay in the holster. I'm
merely driven by the fact that ninety nine percent of
your everyday Carrie lifestyle is going to be with that
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gun seated firmly in place, and you want to know
it's going to stay exactly right there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It's funny, as you're talking there, I'm thinking I created
an acronym because at our training facility, we put people
through forest force training and what we get is almost
every time at the end of it, they say, well,
I never thought of that, and I call it into it.
I MTOT, I never thought of that. So what you're
describing is people think retention, No, somebody's going to try
(04:31):
to grab my gun, and I'm thinking, now, that's actually
a smaller part of it. For those of us who
are not police officers. It's actually, is it going to
stay there when I'm getting out of a chair, when
I'm getting out of my car, when I'm running around,
when I'm moving, when i'm you know, all these things
we do.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And look, anybody who has.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Carried a gun for years has had a gun start
to come out or actually all the way come out
of a holestre at some point.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And that's one of the worst feelings.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Possible, absolutely, And it's the common everyday occurrences that you
never think of. Right. The one that I highlight for
folks is you pop into the bathroom at Walmart and
you have to take a seat, you drop your drawers,
and you won't have firearm to stay right there and
not go sliding across that tile floor. It's a serious
consideration that nobody likes stuck.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
About somebody in the other stall. Hey, could you hand
me my gun back? Please? That's right, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Not something do you want to go for?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Not good? All right?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So, I mean I think of the Fireland originally as
all leather, but you've definitely moved into the Kayitex and
on the other materials these days.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So Fireland was based off of Neil Perkins originally, and
then we added John Byankee's Company Byankee, Both of those
were leather makers. Then Bill Rogers from Rogers Holsters out
of Florida, he joined the mix. And Bill was the
one who actually patented the first Kaidex holster. It was
outside the waistband, but he owns that technology. So most
(05:56):
of what you think of now in terms of our
use of either Boltron or in jay To multiplastics, grew
out of the lineage of Rogers Holsters. Specifically, he was
the one who pioneered the rigidity that Bolton and Tidex,
those two materials, which are both thermoform plastics, provide for us.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You could work in a lot of different areas of
the comparty.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're coordinating between the manufacturing and the marketing and even
the training side, what is it The people generally, particularly
when they're first getting into everyday carry, don't understand about
holsters and holsters systems.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
So on the outside the waistband side, the complexity that
has been baked in at Safari Land is it's daunting.
They don't understand how our retention systems are measured.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We have the.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Automatic locking system and the secure locking strap, both of
which are manual systems that you have to disengage, and
their combination provides the increasing levels of security. So that
fundamentally is where the missing interpretation of what we do
and why we do it becomes challenging for those folks
(07:05):
who are trying to decipher it on their own. Lots
of numbers, lots of acronyms, and that for us, is
a marketing nightmare. On the in waste band side, it's
really the fact that simply owning the firearm itself does
not make you any safer than you are before you
own it. You have to get out and train, you
have to practice, you have to do so safely, and
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that's a compulsive part of what we do. We provide
the means for people to carry every day, but they
have to take that next step. Step it up, do
the training, get their hands on, put in the round counts,
put in the draws, to make sure that they're actually
not a liability to themselves and others, but an asset.
And that's hard for us to communicate.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And let me jump into that, and that is and
you don't teach yourself the stuff. You need to go
somewhere where you have an actual instructor who has experience,
who has eyes on you and says, okay, yeah, slow down,
let's try this again. Because I mean, and yeah, you
can learn a lot of stuff off of YouTube. You can,
but the reality is what you can get out of
one to three to five day class is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It will put you years ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Absolutely, it's fundamental to what we do. We could not
do what we do without that level of training and
cooperation among the community.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
One thing I want to add to this is that,
like everybody else, I've done the inside waistband carry. I've
been carrying for a bout of thirty years or more,
and oh, a few years ago, I don't know how
long I switched to outside to waistband, but still conceal
carry and just wear cover garment that takes care of that,
and for me, the increase in comfort level was incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I really like OBB.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And I stage carry based off of the weather outside.
Obviously I'm in Arkansas. We sometimes get up above the
one hundred mark and I tend to wear shorts and
a T shirt, so that limits what I can carry
and how I can carry it. Right, So it's good
to not only train with an in wasteband appendix carry
holster like being Kagax, something that's really purpose built to
carry the glock nineteen size unpacked guns, but to work
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with something outside the waistband for those cooler days or
when you actually are wearing like a button down shirt
that you're not tucking in. It's very very easy. Like
you said, it's totally appropriate to switch, but you have
to maintain that familiarity because a lot of what we
preach as far as defensive handgun use comes from your
ability to know your equipment, know your firearm, and know
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your strengths and weaknesses with your ability to get on
target fast, and that requires you to extend that training
passed in waistband and onto the outside the waistband.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You make a good point, and particularly if you're switching
back and forth, you need to make sure that you
are doing some practice, some dry fire practice, draws and
everything else so that you are completely familiar with where's
my gun?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which gun am I carrying? You know? Where do I
have the hole? Stir? How do I get it out
of there?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And it really doesn't take all that much, but you
have to make a commitment to Okay, I am switching
out to summer carrier, whatever it is, and I'm going
to work on that until it is instinctive and I
don't have to think about it.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It comes down to being comfortable with how you carry, right,
because so many people who are who are carrying concealed
for the first time are nervous about carry and they
have tells like like somebody playing poker, They're constantly touching
the phone.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Juste.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You need to be one hundred percent confident with whatever
style you choose to carry into that end. I would
say switching between in wastepan and appendix carry a strong side.
Those are two completely different styles to carry and require
different things from you in your natural environment.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, you make a point.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I love it when people first start carrying, they walk around,
they think that there's a sign over their head that says,
man with a gun, stop touching your gun.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's still where you left it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
That's right. It should be. Maybe it's not, but it
should be.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
With a good retention, it should be right.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That's right. I'm going to wrap it right around right
there to the message.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Retention matters even if it's a passive. So part of
what we do with our passive retention systems is we
build in indentations in the material itself that either grabs
a trick reguard or grabs the ejection port. So when
you put your firearm in, you will hear a really
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Back with you here. Several court cases popping up. Let's
see Illinois federal judge rules that the state's public transportation
carry van is unconstitutional. Illinois, they have a law that
says if on public transportation, you cannot carry your concealed
carry gun. Well, federal judge says, no, that's not constitutional. Uh.
(14:48):
Probably the appealed that's okay, But we win this one
and we'll see where that goes. Let's see, this one
was interesting in the Eighth Circuit deed an appeal for
an ond Bunk that's in the circuit court. The circuit
actually denied the appeal on their unanimous decision that said
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you cannot ban eighteen to twenty one year olds from
carrying guns. We're winning on the bands where they say
eighteen nineteen twenty year olds cannot carry guns. Of course
you're saying no, no, these are actually citizens, they're adults.
They have the all the rights of an adult. You
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cannot strip them of those. We didn't get a bad
decision out of Oregon. Horrible decision on so called ghost
guns basically unserialized guns, guns that don't have serial numbers,
which have always been legal. Make your own gun, you
don't have to put a serial number on it. And
actually a lot of guns made before nineteen sixty eight
don't have Cereal numbers on them because they were not
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required before nineteen sixty eight. But the way this as
you wrote this opinion, was pretty terrible. That's going to
be appealed and we will end up winning that one
as well. Probably the big one is the appeal that
has been put into the US Supreme Court asking them
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to grant seurctuary basically to take the case on Maryland's
ban on semi automatic rifles. They call it the assault
weapon ban. And so this is going to be a chance,
and this one should be ripe because there was an
Illinois case same thing, but it hadn't gone through all
(16:40):
the appeals yet, and then the Supreme Court turned it
down basically saying we're not going to take it till
you have exhausted all the possible options and then we
will take a look at it. Well, Maryland, is there
this case coming out of Maryland and they're so called
assaut weapons ban. I think the Supreme Court will take it.
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You know, we never know, never know, but if they do,
it's a chance for them to spell it out. Here's
one of the things that's happened. Let me explain. Under
the Heller decision of the Supreme Court, they said that
guns that are in common use for lawful purposes such
as self defense, cannot be banned. The wording is important,
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guns that are in lawful that are in common use
for lawful purposes. What's happened is the gun banners now
are going to the courts and saying the court said
that guns that are in common use for self defense
cannot be banned, and so they're saying, so these guns
AR fifteens are not in common use for self defense,
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so you can ban them. Let's be clear here. The
Supreme Court did not say that. It did not say
anything about guns that are used in self defense it
cannot be banned. It said guns that are in common use,
and it gave an example of the common use for
common use for lawful purposes. Guns that are in common
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use for lawful purposes such as self defense, and also
such as targets to do such as hunting, such as
It could have listed a whole bunch of different lawful purposes,
but it just gave one. But that's not restrictive. This
is the gamesmanship that goes on. The shifting of words,
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and changing one or two words can change everything. What
it has done is given a few judges, I would say,
dishonestly to change or alter their.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Rulings so that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They can say we can ban these guns be cause
they're not commonly used for self defense. That's not the
criteria that was set out by the Supreme Court. The
Supreme Court simply said you can't ban guns that are
in common use for lawful purposes. There are depend on
which count. You look at about twenty two million AR
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fifteens owned by citizens in the US. That makes it
incredibly common, and they're used for lawful purposes clearly. I mean, look,
air fifteens are statistically rarely used in crime. More people
are killed with fists and feet, more people are murdered
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with fists and feet than they are with air fifteens.
Because that kind of tells you where it ranks. Not
that any murder is not significant, it is, obviously, but
in terms of what's common and what's not, I mean,
they're not used for murders that much. They are used
for lawful purposes.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So you got twenty two million the ars. I don't
know how many people.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
On them because a lot of people own more than one,
and people said, why was you owned more than one?
Why was you own more than one? Golf club in
your bag for different uses. You got your competition gun,
your long range gun, your three gun three gun competition gun,
you got your hunting rifle, you got your home defense rifle.
You've got the one that you used for parade dog shooting,
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for varmer hunting. You got to all rigged up different ways.
I mean, I could come up with an easy eight
to twelve different uses where you would eed eight to
twelve different ars, and it wouldn't have to be an
AR fifteen. It could be an AR ten, in which
case now you open the world up to larger calibers.
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So I mean you could have you know, ars and
straight wall cartridges that you can use in some places
where you cannot hunt with a bottleneck cartridge. You have
ars in three eights and three thirty eight Federal and
three point fifty eight winchest are in six y five
creed More, and you just go on and on.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They are so versatile, and you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Can swap out the upper, swap out the barrels, swap
out we're really everything on them. They can become customized
to the individual. The point here is simply this. The
AR really now is America's rifle. It is the most
popular model of rifle in America. It's the one that
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people coming out of the military for the last thirty
years are familiar with, and they come back here they
want an AR to use for hunting, for competition, for
just pure recreational shooting, and so they buy those. So
I think once this get to the Supreme Court, we're
going to win this. They're going to strike down the
bands on ars and semi automatics and standard capacity magazines,
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and we'll be back to where we were before the
Clinton gun ban came in to effect. Oh yeah, that
would be the one that Kamala Harris wants to reinstate.
She keeps saying, we have to bring back the ban
on the saw weapons. She definitely wants to confiscate your
guns only starting with one time. All right, backly the time, Grashman,
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it's gun talking. A lot of people are weighing in
on the election. We've got Kamala Harris now instead of
Joe Biden, from the people who told us he's sharpest
attack and behind closed doors, he says sharp as he
can be.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Of course, lying to us the whole time.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And now you got Kambala Harris, who has been pushing
for gun control for her entire career, not just gun control,
gun confiscation. Of course, now that she's running for president,
she says, Oh, yeah, I didn't really mean that. I'm
not really for that. Well, a lot of people are
speaking out about that, particularly some victims of crime. Oh,
joining us right now, as Nicki Goster. She just wrote
(22:58):
a piece on town town hall dot com about why
she is not going to be voting for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Nikki, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Hey Tom, thanks so much for having.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Me on you bet.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I guess I should probably wrap this up and explain
to people. Some people know your story. You were the
victim of a horrible crime, had a stalker who ended
up murdering your husband in public. Was this ten years ago?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Now? This is actually fifteen years ago. My husband was
murdered right in front of me by a man who
was stalking me.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And as a result, you have become a personality in
the gun rights world speaking out about that and about
how women should take control of their own safety. I mean,
this is not a comment on you or anything that
you did. But this is a role that you have adopted.
You want to talk about that for a second before
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you talk about Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
In two thousand and nine, my husband Ben was murdered
in front of me by a man who was stalking me.
This occurred inside of a very busy restaurant in Nashville, Tennessee.
It was a gun free zone, and at that time
in the state of Tennessee. Because it was a gun
free zone, I followed the law and I left my
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legal permitted firearm, but I normally carried for self defense
locked inside of my vehicle. Of course, the man who
was stalking me did not have a handgun carry permit,
did not follow the law, brought a gun into a
gun free zone, and when I had management asked him
to please leave, he pulled a forty five from under
his jacket and shot my husband seven times in front
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of myself and everyone in the middle of that busy restaurant.
I'll never know if I could have prevented that. I
was denied a chance. I was stalked and defenseless. So
I have for the past fifteen years tried to educate
people about the dangers of gun free zones and why
being able to carry in more places. It's so incredibly
important because bad guys don't care. They don't care, and
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I'm tired of seeing good people absolutely helpless and defenseless.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Your story is actually you really close to this Susannah
Grossia hup story out of clean Texas. You know another
generation ago where she left her gun in the truck
because Texas said you couldn't carry in the restaurant, and
then she watched her parents killed in.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Front of her.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yeah, Susannah is a great person. I actually I'm friends
with her now, and she's actually part of the reason,
a major reason that I decided to speak out. I
ended up calling her. I got her phone number through
mutual contacts, and she really encouraged me to speak up,
and so I did. And I owe part of that
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to Susannah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So, given your history, how does that affect how you
see Kamala Harris?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Well, I wrote in my piece, you know from Kamala
Harris she supported the whole defund police movement. You know,
it's caused real long term damage by painting police with
this broad brush as being racist and you know, not
deserving of respect. And what I mean being a police officer,
this is a very difficult job to begin with. And
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you know, they took away necessary funding and resources from
police across the country and now police, you know, they're hemorrhaging.
Years after this defund police movement, droves of good police
have left, many are still leaving and you know, choosing
to retire early and quite frankly, I mean, who can
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really blame them disrespect for law enforcement. It's been debilitating
the morale issues that has caused, and they've got serious
police recruitment and retention crisis. Now they're happened to lower
stand just to fill uniforms. And you know, when you
go in you lower standards, you take a risk of
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having more bad apples and more issues that could potentially
create more of those same issues that defund police movements
you know, initially complained about, and the lack of good
policing I believe will make the public less safe.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You also have Harris's well what she did in California
being soft on crime, releasing people from prison, turning out
violent felons to go pray on people again. That has
to really sting given your history.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Well absolutely, yeah, yeah, it's terrifying for victims and their
families and their friends. You know, my soccer is set
to be released from prison in twenty twenty eight, and
that is absolutely terrifying for me. I think a lot
of people seem to believe that, oh, if you murder someone,
you know you're going to be in prison forever. And
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that's not the case in the liberal courts, liberal DA's
they they let these people out all the time, and
they are a danger to society. And you know, Kamala
supports all of these gun control laws, and these laws
really make it very difficult for law abiding people to
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protect themselves, and it only makes assault murder easier for
violent criminals and they're out there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Unfortunately, she completely opposes the idea of having teachers or
staff people and schools have guns with training so they
can protect themselves and protect the children, basically saying.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Just leave it to the cops.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
At the same time she's saying defund the police exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, she's made it more difficult for citizens to get
the help that they need in times of crisis when
police are needed. And then she wants to take away
so sensibility to protect themselves. So what are citizens supposed
to do.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
What are you hearing? I mean, you speak out on this.
You are a public personality, now on this. What are
you hearing from women about the idea of who's going
to take care of them versus them taking care of themselves.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
More and more I am hearing women that are realizing that,
you know, the government's not going to take care of you,
the courts are not going to protect you. Police being
defunded and demoralized, and you know, it's very difficult for
women to feel safe. And women are starting to realize, hey,
(29:43):
I've got to be able to protect myself. And that's
why you see this huge rise in women that are
going and buying guns. And you know, like in Tennessee,
we have constitutional carry. Now, I still have my handgun
carry permit. I've got the lifetime permit, but you know,
if you're a woman and you travel, you need it
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for reciprocity. More and more women are getting their handgun
carry permit because they realize that, look, even if a
woman faced against an unarmed mail attacker, a gun is
a great equalizer for that woman in that disparity of
forced situation.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
You know, oh, absolutely, Lli.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You got two hundred and fifty pounds man versus a
one hundred and fifty pound woman. The disparity and strength
and everything is just it's overwhelming. And you need the gun.
That's what's going to keep you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Safe, honestly, absolutely. And you know, it's especially important that
women who do choose to carry a gun be able
to do so in more places so that we can
protect ourselves. And gun free zones prevent us from being
able to do that very thing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
So, Kavla Harris likes gunfy zones, doesn't want teachers to
be able to carry, wants to ban guns, wants to compass,
and she's actually come out in favor of the confiscation
of the most popular guns in America. And I don't know,
I'm with you. I don't know why anyone would vote
for that.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, yeah, I tell you. The mainstream media plays a
role in this as well. You know, her liberal media cheerleaders.
They want people to believe that guns are bad. That's
what they want the public to believe. And never do
you hear the mainstream media talk about defensive gun use cases.
And it's so frustrating for me because I know that
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guns are not bad. Guns are used every single day
in this country to help save innocent lives. And you
can just go to our website at crimeresearch dot org
and you can see the defensive gun use cases. We've
compiled them so that people understand that guns are not bad.
Guns can can help save innocent lives.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And they do every day. At crimeresearch dot org has
all all that. Nikki, thank you so much for your time.
Thank you for being willing to speak out. I appreciate
what you're doing. Thank you, Tom.
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Speaker 2 (34:37):
I really appreciate Nikki being willing to speak out for
her horrific experience. I mean, her husband was murdered in
front of her in a crowded restaurant, this guy who
had been stalking her. She's been working for the last
fifteen years to make sure this guy stays in prison,
and now they've got a release date when he's eligible
(34:59):
for and she says it's terrifying for her because chances
are this guy may return to what he was doing before.
That's the kind of thing where Kamala Harris says, yeah,
just let him go. She I mean not just says
that she did let them go when she was the
district attorney huh, which is attorney general. I wonder if
(35:25):
she actually prosecuted any cases, she actually argued any cases
in court. I've not been able to find the evidence
that she did switching now. I mentioned earlier that I
got this new rifle and I got it in on Friday.
Have not had a chance to shoot it because there's
no AMMO for it. It's a great caliber. It was
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made a factory caliber by Alpha Arms, a square actually
a square, it's a three thirty eight dollars six, went
into production and then went quickly out. Nobody's making ammal
for it anymore, so I have to do it myself.
I'm weird this way.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I like handloading my own AMMO. I like working up
my own loads. There is load data out there for it,
and you may have to go back to some older
load manuals or go online to different groups, but you
can find that I've been stocking up on some bullets.
I already had primers and powder. I had to buy
some thirty out six cases and I'll just neck those up.
You run those through the expanded dye, the resizing dye,
(36:30):
and then you seek the three thirty eight caliber bullets.
Talk about how do you do that? You work your
way up. You use published loads, only stay with published
loads things that are in loading manuals. Oh, here's the
thought for you. The new loading manuals are kind of
expensive forty fifty bucks, but you can a lot of
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times buy used like one or two version older loading
manuals for almost nothing if you look online eBay or
places like that, And those manners are fine. They may
not have the latest powders in them, but they have
good powders and you can still use those and you
can work up your loads. You know, start somewhere at
(37:12):
the low end of the published loads, and then load
like maybe three rounds, and then increase the powder charge
by a grain and load three rounds and take them
out to the range and shoot them and see which
one shoots the best in your rifle. A lot of
times what you're going to find this is very interesting.
You said, Well, I want the best velocity out of it,
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the most velocity I can get.
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That may not be necessary. In fact, I know it's
not necessary.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Often we find that the best accuracy comes from a
load that's just a little bit below the max load,
And so just a thought when you're working it up.
Speaking of that, we were at the range this week
shooting some loads and chronographing some seven mag loads, factory loads.
(38:04):
They were all over the place. The velocity varied by
as much as two hundred and fifty feet per second
out of a box of high quality, normally high quality
factory loads. And then my buddy who was shooting the
seven mag, shot some loads that I had loaded for
him in seven mag and they were right on the money,
all being right where they are supposed to be. That's
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kind of what handloading is about. You're fine, tuning it,
you're customizing it, you have control over it. The reality is,
unless you are chronographing your factory loads, you don't really
know what the velocity is.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You don't really know how consistent they are.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
If you want the best loads possible, you might want
a handload, or at the very least invest in a
chronograph so you know what you're getting out there. I mean,
there's really good factory loads out there, don't get me wrong,
But until you check them yourself, it just don't really know.
At least my thoughts on my numbers eight six y
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gun talking all right back with you, Tom Gresher eight
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Matt did that. He's in Hovey Valley, Arizona. Hey, Matt,
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How long have you How long have you been carrying
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Okay? I've been carrying a gun since twenty fourteen. It
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nine but I won't change. I know it's a little
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It's comfortable for the size and that holster they made
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Let me do you do you carry an extra magazine
when you carry.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
I carry too. I carry another one that's eight and
then the original one that was I think seven.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okay, that sounds right.
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So all right, so you got the gun, the mag
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I already spoke of this about months ago, but I've
been caring ever since then. I'm not going to switch holsters,
and with the yard Shell coming up, I'm just gonna
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sell the rest.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Like the rest of us, we all have all these holsters.
We all need to be getting rid of our holsters.
You know, hey, I appreciate the call. Thank you for actually, well, yeah,
we ought to do. We all like to get together
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holster they want for free. You just go over and
pick one out of somebody else's box and then he
can do the same thing to you. And we're basically
just going to do a big holster swap. I can
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see this like a big, huge community holster swap deal.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
But barring that, you're right.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
We end up with all these holsters because we're trying
to find the one that fits that works for us.
We'll try this, We'll try kayaks, we'll try up polyformed
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Then we'll try leather.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And I'm like everybody else, I have multiple boxes of holsters.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Boy, you are so right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
One other tip I would give when you find a
holster that really works for you, not only do you
buy that one, can I recommend that you buy a
second one just like it. Now They may leave it
in the line for the next fifty years, or you
may go back for a replacement in a year and
they have dropped it, and you're going, boy, I should wish.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I had one of those.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, I think we probably all have done that
in some form or fashion, that for something. So when
you find something that really works for you, that's really
comfortable and really secure, it might be worth considering to
buy a second one and just put it in storage.
But don't put it in the box with all those
holsters you're going to get rid of, because that would
(42:54):
really be terrible for you to get rid of the
holster that works for you because you got rid of
the spear. So just saying not that I've ever done
anything like that, Yes I have, because sometimes my brain
goes on a walk about I have no idea what
it's gonna do.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I wonder where my brain went today. I don't know.
I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
All right, If you want to join this for the
after Show'll call me right now. Eat six ' six
talk gun. In the meantime, make a commitment to carry
all the time. Get some training. Be serious about this.
It's your parachute. It's the fire extinguisher. It's the thing
that can help keep you alive and protect your loved ones.
It is that important. Make the commitment. Be safe out there.
(43:33):
We'll see you next week.
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