September 22, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Boyd Metz, from HSM Ammunition, explains how a company in Montana keeps making innovative rifle and handgun ammunition.
-- It may not be popular, but the .41 Magnum cartridge is an over performer in handguns and rifles.
-- It's time to practice different shooting positions you face when hunting.
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-- Boyd Metz, from HSM Ammunition, explains how a company in Montana keeps making innovative rifle and handgun ammunition.
-- It may not be popular, but the .41 Magnum cartridge is an over performer in handguns and rifles.
-- It's time to practice different shooting positions you face when hunting.
Gun Talk 09.22.24 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
We just ran across a saying online I liked it
a lot, says if you know how many guns you have,
you don't have enough guns. That sounds about right for me. Hey,
welcome back. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. Check
us out gun talk dot com or anywhere we do
the social media stuff. You just look for gun talk
or gun talk media where everywhere. You can also google
me Tom Gresham. Go find me scattered around as that were,
(00:39):
you never know where I'm going to turn up. Of course,
these guns that we have are great and wonderful, and
we enjoy our firearms, shotguns, rifles, pistols, doesn't matter, handguns,
but you know they don't do us any good if
you don't have any AMMO for them, don't have anything
to shoot in them. So we really appreciate the folks
who are making AMMO. And it's a company that you
(01:01):
may well. I used to say you may not have
heard of, but I think these days a lot of
people have heard of them because I'm seeing their AMO
in a lot of stores these days. But they're at
in Montown HSM Ammunition. And joining here us right now
is a Boyd Mets from HSM Ammo.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hey, Boyd, how are you find Tom? Thanks good to
talk to you again, and and your analogy is good.
It's like having a Ferrari and no gas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I got to tell you every time we talk,
I go back to your website and for those who
want to follow along hsmammunition dot com, and you have
even more AMMO out there. And I'm actually I'm going
to be hunting this year Elk, primarily with too eighty
four Winchester. You're the only outfit I am aware of
right now that it's actually loading ammunition for a two
(01:48):
eighty four Winchester. You make AMO for a lot of
different calories that people may not even be aware of.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, that's kind of the thing that got us started,
so to speak. We were grounded in the in the
normal commodity ammunitions and found the niche that you're talking about,
and it served us very well with our usual emphasis
on accuracy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, and toward that end, I mean, of course, you've
got lots of handgun ammo. And you got what's interesting
to me? And I have no idea how you keep
up with all the in the business. We call them
skews sku's are the different items that you have, but
you'll have you know, take a forty one magnum for instance,
which most people say, well, okay, great, they've got to
(02:34):
load into forty one. Oh no, no, no, no. You've got
a whole bunch of loads with the whole different kinds
of bullets. And then you go to thirty eight. You
got all these different bullets, and you go to thirty
out six. I couldn't even count the number of brands,
you know, Barnes, Sierra, Burger, on and on and on.
I mean, you're loading everybody's bullets to make all these
different things. I would say, you would be pretty much
(02:56):
impossible for somebody to say, I don't think they have
something that's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Going to work for me.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, what's happened to them? As you well know, with
all the problems in the world, we've had some trouble
getting components. So we found new components to substitute, and
much to our delight, they've just come on very strong.
And one of the things is we were having some
(03:22):
bullet problems and we got the Hornedy SST bullet. Well,
I didn't realize what a following and how long that
has been out there, but the customers have just raved
about its accuracy and performance.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Oh and you're right, SST has been out for a
long time. And it's kind of interesting you mentioned that,
because I think there's always been a falling for it,
but through the Internet chatter, I think there are a
lot more people who are starting to pay attention to
the Horny SST bullets and what they do.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And we're talking specifically.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is a hunting bullet and you know you do
make you know, loads with match ammo, but this is
honey ammo.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Correct, correct and that and that's that's the bread and
butter for us. And as I said, that has just
been an outstanding performing bullet for many, many years. And uh,
it was made available to us and so we stuck
our foot, our toe in the water, and golly gosh,
it was it's just uh, it's it's just gone crazy
(04:25):
for us. And it's it's called our We loaded in
in a box called Tipping point two kind of the
second generation, the original tipping point, we had another bullet
and it became unavailable to us, and that's when we
switched over to the SST. And it's uh, it's just
done a great job. And along those same lines, I
(04:45):
know is a kJ You're yeah right, Uh, he had
tested our low recoil AMMO. Well, during all the bad times,
we we still had some trouble sourcing the components necessary.
It's a special bullet that performs in a special powder
(05:06):
that allows it to meet the velocity standards that we need. Well,
we're back up and running with low recoil. So for
the new hunters, the smaller framed hunters, the female hunters,
the useful hunters that don't want to get beat up
with their two forty three, they're thirty to six or
(05:28):
seven mag, we have that available back in the line now,
so we're we're pretty excited about that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, yeah, there's another person here who would like that,
and that'd be the person who says, I've got my
seven mag I'm gonna hunt with the full loads, but
when I go out and practice, I don't want to
get beat up, so I'm going to use the lower
velocity loads.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
For my practice. And then they find out.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, you know, a low velocity, a lower velocity, reduced
velocity if you will, seven mag is really just like
a two to eighty or a seven by fifty seven
and it will kill stick if you want to use
that running correct correct.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, that's it, and it's it's just been. You
had a video and overlap video that one of your
people did showing a difference in recoil between the three
hundred in a three hundred wind mag and show the
rays of the muzzle and overlaid it, and we pretty
much found with this this this low recoil loads of
(06:25):
fifty reduction and recoil. Now just stop and think how
much more pleasant that makes your your rifle. And you've
got a thirteen fourteen year old little boy where you
have a ninety five hundred pound woman shooting. It's it's
just a it's a pleasant way to shoot, and at
the two hundred yards maybe a little bit beyond that,
(06:47):
but we don't recommend a lot beyond that. The bullet
that we've developed or had developed for us performs outstanding.
I've shot a number of white tails in Western Kansas
with it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, there's nothing else boys that just thinking about this
with the lower recoil. If you got a fifty reduction recoil,
people shoot better. They're going to hit their targets better
because they're not afraid of the recoil, which once again
makes the AMMO outperform what you think it will, that
it outperforms the expectations.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Sure, sure that you and I discussed this with one
of our other conversations about the fact that the recoil factor,
whether whether you recognize it or not, you flinch.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
True, and we all do, right, we all do.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I mean I've shot for years and years and thousands
and thousands of rounds of ammunition and you just have
to be careful. But if you monitor yourself, you realize, whoops,
I squeezed the grip for I kind of jerk the
trigger or whatever. So this just gives performance and killing
(07:57):
ability on game with less abuse of the user.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hey boy, tell me about the factory. You're out there
in Montana. Tell me about your operation.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, we're located in Stevensville, Montana, which is about twenty
five thirty miles south and west of Missoula, Montana, and
we've got a number of buildings. Starting from the back,
we have a full machine shop in the back and
(08:30):
with has hoss equipment and everything, and they're just boy,
they're a lifesaver many times, because machinery breaks when you
use it as much as we do. And then coming
forward from there is one of the loading areas, and
that does both rifle and revolver a handgun ammunition. And
(08:54):
then you come forward and there's a second loading area,
which is bench loading machines, and come forward working to
the front from that is our packaging area and shipping area,
and then just a short move ahead from that is
(09:14):
our office area. And we're surrounded by about thirty acres
of land. We have a range we do our our
own testing, pressure testing and everything. We have almost well
every normal caliber of barrel for our pressure testing equipment,
(09:35):
so that pretty much constitutes the facility itself. We have
a two hundred meter two hundred yard range that's available
for outdoor shooting to see, you know, what the wind
does or whatever else goes on. But basically the testing
is done indoors.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Let me ask you this because I was in my
local grocery store, which also has like lots of AMMO,
and I believe or not, grocery stores out here in
the West, and you'll appreciate that. Now I'm in Idaho,
They've got AMMO and guns and everything else that and
they have I'm looking around, they got a lot of
your AMMO, a lot of HSM ammunition there. So clearly
you're getting your AMMO out into a lot of stores.
(10:16):
But it's still I guess available through online retailers as well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Midway, Midway Pass Pro Sports, and Swarehouse and distribution. What
you're seeing is probably coming from distribution, and our distribution
chain has just been fabulous and very supportive of us
and very very helpful to the dealer with our products.
We're just our entire marketing as we're very lucky, very fortunate.
(10:46):
But I think some of that just our reputation for
accuracy and performance in prices has resounded with a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I can't let you go without at least addressing them.
You have one of the best collections. Our selections are
lines of bear protection, AMMO and handguns with these hard
cast lead bullets and a lot of different calibers, that
has to be doing okay for you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That's that's that's in our top five. In addition to
just the hard hard lead keep in mind. It's even
gas check that put that bullet, all of those bullets.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Wow, I mean it's really terrific.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, just a just a great load. And you know
we have the Cowboy loads, which are they mirror the
bear loads without the gas check, uh, hardcast bullets and
they mirror it in the same calibers. But uh yeah,
we're pretty diverse, and we're very lucky and very fortunate
to have our customer base recognizes and uh just tell
(11:53):
your your customer, your customers, your listeners out there. You know,
I say, it's tune up time and not for the car,
but seasons, seasons right around the corner. Guys, it is
it is out there. And make sure you can hit
the target so you can hit the real target when
you get out there.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
HSM Ammunition boy Mettes, thank you so much. I always
enjoy having you here.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Likewise, Tom, take care and good hunting.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
All right, thanks so much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Very good hsmammunition dot Com.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You will be amazed at the.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Number of calibvers, cartridges, handgun and rifle.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
That's a very different bullets.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Once you start cruising through it, you gotta go that
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
So what are you doing sitting there and not calling me?
You got a lot of nerd. Give me a holl
Tom talk gun. I see the news that Katherine Crosby died. Okay,
and just think of who's that? Let me explain. There's
a story here, and it's gonna be a point at
the end of it. Katherine Crossby was married to Bing Crosby,
the famous singer and actor. Been a lot of movies,
(15:28):
right and Catherine was a good, big younger and they
met when they were doing she was interviewing him for
something that she was an actress also and was in
a lot of movies. You can go look her up,
Katheryn Crosby. But I met her well back up. Yeah,
I know, I know how pretentious this sounds, but Bing
Crosby was a friend of the family and he and
(15:51):
dad liked to hunt together and they did some TV
shows together, and so I ended up meeting Katherine Crosby
through that connection when I was a lot younger, and
then we got this final story. It's a family story
since most of the people listening here know about our
connection to range Rading Studios and all the rest of it,
and they've seen our son Ryan on our videos and
(16:14):
he runs that side of the operation.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So Ryan was.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Thirteen fourteen, call it something like that, and we're in Nacish, Louisiana,
where we lived at the time, and Katherine Crosby was
a visiting and we were in my brother's restaurant, the Landing,
and worked out that somehow Ryan young Ryan was sitting
next to Katheryne Crosby, who's of course married to Being Crosby,
and they're talking. Well, it turns out she's also registered nurse.
(16:41):
Ah interesting, so this is like a real world person,
and she's asking Ryan about what are you doing.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
He said, well, you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Starting to play football and all she said, yeah, She says,
you know, our son, Nathaniel wanted to play football, and
of course here's where the nurse starts coming out in
her and she said, I told him, if you want
your leg broken, I'll just go ahead and break it
for you. You're not playing football. Well, Nathaniel was an
(17:10):
athlete her son, so he did not play football, but
he went on to win the US Amateur National Championship
in golf, which is one of the biggest things you
can win in golf. And the irony of the whole
thing is about two months later, Ryan broke his leg
(17:30):
playing football in practice, so she had warned him about that.
So there you go. So why does all this matter?
I bring it up for this reason. If you think
about Bing Crosby, you think about Grits my dad, and
they're making the American Sportsman TV show and then the
later the Sports of Field television show. But American Sportsman,
(17:52):
you're talking forty five years ago. Fifty years ago, yeah,
fifty years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
More than that primetime TV, there are only three network
and here's a show about fishing and hunting, and the
celebrities of the day wanted to be on this show
fishing and hunting Red Fox, I mean dad went hunting
with Bruce Jenner. Yeah, I know, it's okay, you know
(18:17):
the big celebrities. Things have changed, and part of that
is the brainwashing of America and the shaming of people
in public about you know, you don't want to be
seen to be hunting. There are a lot of celebrities
who hunt, a lot of celebrities who own guns and
like to shoot, but they don't talk about it in
public because they've been told by their handlers not to.
(18:39):
So what I saw the passing of Katherine Crosby, it
made me think about that and how much things have
changed in the last half century where so many people
in the public eye don't want to be seen as
a gun owner or as a hunter. Hey, let's grab
Joe outline too, out of Jefferson, Texas. Joe, you're on
gun Talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I briefly heard you mentioned that you're gonna be hunting
with your to eighty four Winchester this season. Yes, I've
got one myself. My dad passed a few years back,
and that was part of my inheritance was a bottle
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Oh, the Winchester Model one hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That was what the same rifle I used to shoot
my first dear with when I was eleven years old.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was I was thirteen when I got my first
one with that same rifle.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
So have you shot the two eighty four?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I have not because of lack of ammunition. I also
heard your interview there with HSMMO. When that gout, my
ears perked up that they are loading to eighty four.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Uh, yes, it's they got one load for it. It
looks like one hundred and sixty grain Sierra bullet. But
I would definitely get you a couple of boxes of that.
So you got it for that rifle. Because you've got
this rifle that's been passed down to you. It's part
of the history of the family, and you know it's
only right to go out.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And shoot it.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Absolutely. I mean, it's still a fine looking gun. Only issue.
I'm not sure if my dad changed out the firing
pin on it. I know there was some issues with
I believe it was breakage of the firing pin, was it?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes, I was going to ask you if you knew
if that had been done, because there was a recall
on that rifle. And I'm not sure if you can
still contact Winchester, but you might check the Winchester website
and contact their service people and just see if they
have the information. If they have the records on it,
they would probably know by serial number if that one
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had been taken care of.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
That leads me to another question, if it hasn't been
changed out, would you happen to know how difficult a
job that would be for I'm not a gunsmith, but
I'm not totally disoriented as far as mechanical stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, it's not difficult for me because I don't even
attempt it. I just give it to a gun so
I couldn't I couldn't tell you how hard it is,
but I would think a competent gun smith could handle
that for you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Do you know any good gunsmith's up in this area?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I do not, and I'm you're near Oh you know what?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If you're near Sreeport, first stop would be Clark Custom
Guns in Haughton. Uh, Clark Custom Guns. And if they
don't know, they will know who to send you to. Okay,
but you're right there in the area and they've got
some really top notch gunsmith's there. So try Clark Custom
Guns just outside just east of the city there. I
(21:36):
appreciate that. And yeah, that is a good looking rifle.
And it's always funny because people say, but I'll send
me automatics. You say, yeah, I was eleven years old.
It's a semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Mine was chambered for the three oh eight, which is
considerably more powerful than the two two, three or five
five six cartridge that most ares are chambered for. So anyway,
it doesn't really matter. All of this is just political noise.
When they want to ban the semiauto, that just means
that's the gun they think they can get away with
banning now, and later on they'll come back for the rest.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Back whether here.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
During at the break, we're talking about some of the
ammo over at HSM Ammunition. I noticed they have a
lot of different loads for the forty one magnum at
Michelle says, forty one magnums are really good deer caliber. Yeah,
it would be a straight wall works great. You can
sometimes find them in lever action rifles. I've had forty
(22:41):
one's well really since it was introduced, and Dad had
a model fifty seven Smith and Wesson six inch barrel
revolver and I've still got that one. I ended up
with two or three others and just really like the
forty one. I mean, I like the forty four and
what it does. I get that and it's a little
bit more powerful, and I don't I'm not sure I
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can tell you what it is about the forty one.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I like it's people say it shoots a little bit flatter. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It's just it's a really cool, versatile cartridge and a
lot of times you can't find Ammo for a forty
one magnum. I mean, it's typical of the weird stuff
that I like, right, I mean, come on two eighty four,
three thirty eight out six, which, by the way, I
was out shooting yesterday. The next step, I'm hoping that
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gets me to where I can enjoy this new to
me rifle, because I got the three thirty eight out six,
as you remember used and then turns out when I
shot it, it's not actually not a three thirty eight
out six, it's actually a three thirty eight out six improved. Okay,
so now the shoulder's blown out. So I pulled a
bunch of bullets and started over with less expensive bullets,
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and I got to go fire form cases. So I
had the two entegrained spear bullets in it, and I
loaded them down with Hodgson's power h forty eight ninety five,
which you can reduce. Hodgton says, take their maximum load
forty eight ninety five and reduce that by go down
to sixty five percent of that, and you can use
that as a very reduced load. So I was getting
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eighteen hundred feet per second out of this, and I
fire form a bunch of cases, and in the process,
I'm figuring, well, let's not shoot these from the bench.
Once I get it on target, I'm shooting standing up
and kneeling and sitting and different things, and shooting pretty well.
And then every once in a while just flint's like crazy.
It's like, oh man, that was ugly, once again bringing
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up the need for practice, right to get out there
and do it. Otherwise that deer or elk or moose
or whatever it is. If you got to shoot, particularly
if you've got to shoot off hand, which we tend
not practice much at all, but that may be the
only shot you have. And I will tell you you
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can prove so quickly with some practice. I'm talking about
like with one hundred dry fires, two hundred drive fires,
you are actually improving.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You see the improvement that quickly. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hey, let's grab Scott online one out of Louisiana. Scott,
you're on gun Talk. What's you thinking? Hey Scott, you're there.
It's Tom.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you picked.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We got you, Scott. You go ahead.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Difficulties here, that's all right, you go ahead. Oh come man,
I believe it was last week or week before were
your here talking about how we be ready and able
to defend ourselves that they're not going to in time
and so forth? And I agree person and sentiments, But
(25:52):
the reality is going to come to where are you?
What locale are you in? You can be in a
state and be surrounded by a blue metality that will
absolutely do nothing and look the other way when you
start bothering, you, harassing you. This situation where I was
(26:14):
being harassed nonstopful. It turns out we're convicted felons, multiple
convictions assaulting people assaulting numbers, drug charges, making terroristic and
in my area unfortant. It seems that the fat you are,
the more work they look the other way.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's a Scott, I hate to do this, man, and
I've kind of pick it up as you're saying, but
we're having so many problems with your phone. I'm going
to have to just thank you for the call and
let you drop off and see if maybe I can
address some of that a little bit. Uh, But I apologize,
but we've got just a bad phone connection there and
it's just not working for us. I think what Scott's
(26:52):
saying is that he was in a situation where the
police didn't come to protect him.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
If I got that right.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
There are no guarantees, and yeah, you could even have
police around you, they'd choose not to protect you for
whatever reason, but.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
That's pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
More likely is they are either slow to get there
or they don't come at all, Which takes us back
to the phrase which I like a lot actually, which
is you are in fact your own first responder. The
other part of it is, look, if you're in a
situation where you can get away, you can escape by
all means to do that. If you can walk away, great,
If you can run away, great, If you can drive
(27:28):
away even better.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Food for thought.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And here's your tip for the day. Don't get out
of your car. Somebody's come up and beating on your car.
You know, he's beating on your car, on your car,
he's beating on your window.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Or you see a situation development it looks weird. Your
car is a protective element. It is a cocoon around you.
If you get out of your car, you're giving that away.
You're also giving away your escape pod because that will
let you drive away. You have to have thought this
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through ahead of time to sell from here. I mean,
how many times am I going to go back to
this often? Which is if you have thought it through
and you say, Okay, if there's a weird situation developing
and I'm in my car, I'm going to drive away.
That's my first go to reaction. I'm going to drive away.
I can drive forward, I can drive backwards, I can
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do J turns, I can do whatever I gotta do.
I gotta get away from there. I'm going to stay
in my car. I'm going to drive away. Even if
you say I'm going to drive two hundred yards I'm
gonna stop and call nine one one and tell them
what's going on. Get yourself to safety first. Don't worry
about calling the police. Get yourself to safety first. And
(28:47):
some people will say, well, you know you left the
seat of a crime. You know, not really, you got
yourself to safety, called nine one one. You say, with
the police there, I'll come back and we'll tell you
what happened here. You have to have this in your
head ahead of time, and taking that one step further,
Not only do you need to have it in your
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head ahead of time, your family members need to have this.
And that means you. If you're the one, then you
probably are. If you're listening to this, you're probably the
one who thinks about safety and security and reactions and
what are you going to do if and all that
kind of stuff, and maybe the other members of your
family don't. Can I just say, I think it's your
responsibility to make sure that they have changed their thinking
(29:29):
so they start thinking about safety, even if they start
rolling their eyes. Oh dad, oh gosh, you're thinking about
that again. You talking about that again? Yes, I am,
even if they don't seem like they're hearing it. Teenagers
are ignoring you. They're hearing it and they're getting it,
and more than likely they will react the proper way.
You just have to keep having that conversation. Have it
(29:50):
over dinner, have it now. What would you do here?
What would you do here? Let's talk about this, Let's
talk about that. You're plugging all that information in and
it's amazing. The brain will pull it up when you
need it, and you will react the way that you
have trained your brain that this is what I will
do in this situation, instead of having to search and
search and search and search and try to find what
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am I going to do? Now it's in there. You
just reach into the right file drawer and pull it
out and your brain goes boom. We're gonna drive away.
We're gonna call nine one one when we'll get further away.
There it is. You got to think about it ahead
of time, otherwise you won't know what you're going to do.
All right, quick break here, we're going to step aside.
Your chance to give us a shout. Tell me what
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For a lot of time, I cut off subscribing to
the Wall Street Journal. I just didn't think there was
anything in there for me. And recently I said, oh,
we had to subscribe to the online version because they
have information in there that I can pull from occasionally.
And there are two pieces that just came out in
the Wall Street Journal Believer or Not One he's kind
of applicable for what we're doing here, and it's an
(33:37):
editorial and the title of it is Hillary Clinton's new
speech code, and it starts off the former senator and
Democratic presidential nominee says spreading what she calls disinformation should
be a crime.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, she basically not.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Basically, she did say that some forms of disinformation or
misinformation should be a crime impunishable by imprisonment. Consider what
that is. That would be speech that she doesn't agree with.
That would be anything you say where they say, well,
(34:22):
that's not right. Our fact checkers disagree with you, like
oh Snopes, the fact checkers who are almost always wrong
when it comes to gun issues. This would this be
like the disinformation of the fifty one intelligence experts who
said that the information on Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.
(34:48):
This would be the information that Hillary Clinton and the
Democrat Party paid for the fake dossier on Donald Trump.
Jee throw her in jail, lock her up. I've heard
that before. I only bring this up.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
As a reminder.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
That, for whatever reason, it seems to me from where
I sit, much more so on the Democrat side, the
liberal side, the left side, people are willing to throw
you in jail for your thoughts. People are willing to
do you physical harm. Oh yeah, like two assassination attempts
(35:32):
because they disagree with you. They it seems to be
we used to say, well, we just disagree, we'll agree
to disagree. I have a different view than you do,
and we'll work on that. I'll work to promote my
beliefs and you work to promote your beliefs. But it's
become a case of no from the left, at least
(35:56):
they want to destroy you. I mean, like really destroy you.
Take your jobs. Oh yeah, you didn't take the vaccine.
You're out of a job, You're ostracized. And now, of course,
because so much of our lives are all online. Your
shadow band or your band, or you're shut down, or
you have a gun store, and all of a sudden,
(36:17):
your Facebook page disappears for whatever reason. Who knows why.
Nobody who appeal to. There's no phone numbers, so nobody
to talk to. It's like you had a store on
the main street with a big sign and all of
a sudden, you're signed was yanked down and nobody knows
you're there anymore. That's the reality of it. And then
we have this story out of the Wall Street Journal.
(36:38):
This was interesting. Starts off twenty nine percent of Democrats
are those leaning Democrat said they had a gun home
in twenty twenty two, up from four decades ago. There
are four decade low rather of twenty two percent in
twenty ten. So in twenty ten it was twenty two
(36:58):
percent and now it's twenty nine percent. Them fifty five
percent of Republicans had a gun in their home, up
three percentage points since two thy ten. That survey of
thirty five hundred adults. What does that mean in terms
of the election? Probably nothing? Really, Is there anybody who
(37:19):
doesn't understand that Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz want to
ban your guns. They want to start with some, they
want to work their way to others. And they'll say, well,
we don't want to take everybody's guns away. That's their
way of trying to cloud what they're doing. We don't
want to take everyone's guns away. We just want to
take away the guns of some people, you know, people
we don't agree with. We don't like people whose guns
(37:41):
are ugly, because we can convince the public that these
guns that aren't military guns but look kind of like
military guns are somehow evil.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And must be banned. Huh.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
We know that they want and She says she wants
a ban on assault weapons what she calls except that
now she doesn't. She did want to ban on semi automous,
but now she doesn't. She did want to ban on
standard capacity magazines, but somehow now she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
She does. Here's the weird part.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right like two days after she announced that she didn't
want to take anybody's guns away, she puts out a
tweet on x A post that says, we must ban
assault weapons. You cannot be Here's the deal. You cannot
be supportive of the Second Amendment and support gun bans.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
The two are mutually exclusive. If you want to.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Ban guns, you are an enemy of the Second Amendment
and want to do away with it. You're not a supporter.
Anything else is just a lie. Talk about your starter guns.
Alcoholed in he's got a question out of Arkansas. Hey, Al,
(39:12):
you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
What you got? Hey?
Speaker 14 (39:14):
Greetings Tom. Yet your show brings joy to me every
time I hear a good job a baby gun the daisy.
They were in northwestern Arkansas and they went out of
business or changed something. But I need the some of
(39:36):
the internal parts to the baby gun. I can't get
them from any any place. They have told me, they said,
we sold them to these people, only sold them to
these people, and those people will never get back to
me and tell me they have it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So have you're talking to the people at Daisy now.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Is that correct?
Speaker 14 (39:57):
I have talked to them, Yes, okay, because.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I mean they do have their website Days dot com,
which would be where I would start.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Which model do you have? What are you're looking parts for?
Speaker 14 (40:10):
I got two of them. One of them's are Ted
Williams and the other is just the standard one with
all metal parts. I had gotten some parts from them
that were plastic and they didn't go in there.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
M Well, you know, I mean, honestly, if Daisy doesn't
have them and can't help you, I don't know of
anybody who's going to have those. I mean, there are
people who are making higher end airguns and pelaguns now
and you can get service on those. But you know,
Ted Williams model Daisy has got to be a fifty
(40:50):
year old air gun. I mean it's been fifty years
since Ted Williams was endorsing guns.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Great, Okay, Honestly, I'll tell you what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We'll put out the word if somebody has an idea
of where to go with this. Maybe somebody can call in.
You keep listening to see if we can get you
some info. I really don't have anything other than sending
you to Daisy. And again I started at Daisy dot
com and then you work your way around. But yeah,
if it's been sold and I didn't know what the
(41:21):
background is there, often the new owners will say, you know,
we're just not taking care of those old guns, especially
something that's fifty years old. And for those who don't
know Ted Williams, the famous ball player, and thanks for call,
appreciate that he was an avid outdoorsman, very accomplished, world
class fly fisherman, and as you might imagine, a really
(41:42):
good wing shot. I mean, anybody who can bat four
hundred has unbelievable hand eye coordination. And we've worked with
some of these athletes before. Gabrielle Reese, the bodyball player.
We took her out to shoot, introduce her to clay
target shooting, and gave her some really easy, straight waight
targets and like within five or ten minutes she say, well, yeah,
(42:03):
what else you got And it's like now we're doing
hard crossers and she's crushing these targets, the hand eye
coordination athletes, when you get right down to it, that's
just a form of cheating. It's simply unfair because they're
really not like the rest of us. And I mean
I've seen them pick up a paddle for playing ping
(42:26):
pong and are crushing people instantly. They just are good
at everything. There reflexes, the hand eye coordination. The many
times it's the ice sight. William said he could see
the ball coming out of the picture's hand. He can
see which way the seams are spinning the moment it
came out of his hand. It's like a clay target shooter.
(42:48):
I knew once who was the Olympic Great clay target shooter.
He said, oh, yeah, when I'm seeing the targets, well,
I can see the dimples on a clay target, you know,
those temples on a clay target. He can see them
when it's spinning. And he would say, yeah, you know,
I had a bad day. I said, well, Dan, you
broke all of them. He said yeah, but I broke
them all on the back half of the target. And Tim,
(43:10):
that was a bad day. I mean, he went one
hundred out of one hundred, but he wasn't hitting them
the way he wanted to. Those people are different from us,
they just are, and you know, for that we hate them.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
That's okay, it's just there. It is all right when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
We just ran across a saying online I liked it
a lot, says if you know how many guns you have,
you don't have enough guns. That sounds about right for me. Hey,
welcome back. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. Check
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you never know where I'm going to turn up. Of course,
these guns that we have are great and wonderful, and
we enjoy our firearms, shotguns, rifles, pistols, doesn't matter, handguns,
but you know they don't do us any good if
you don't have any AMMO for them, don't have anything
to shoot in them. So we really appreciate the folks
who are making AMMO. And it's a company that you
(01:01):
may well. I used to say you may not have
heard of, but I think these days a lot of
people have heard of them because I'm seeing their AMO
in a lot of stores these days. But they're at
in Montown HSM Ammunition. And joining here us right now
is a Boyd Mets from HSM Ammo.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hey, Boyd, how are you find Tom? Thanks good to
talk to you again, and and your analogy is good.
It's like having a Ferrari and no gas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I got to tell you every time we talk,
I go back to your website and for those who
want to follow along hsmammunition dot com, and you have
even more AMMO out there. And I'm actually I'm going
to be hunting this year Elk, primarily with too eighty
four Winchester. You're the only outfit I am aware of
right now that it's actually loading ammunition for a two
(01:48):
eighty four Winchester. You make AMO for a lot of
different calories that people may not even be aware of.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, that's kind of the thing that got us started,
so to speak. We were grounded in the in the
normal commodity ammunitions and found the niche that you're talking about,
and it served us very well with our usual emphasis
on accuracy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, and toward that end, I mean, of course, you've
got lots of handgun ammo. And you got what's interesting
to me? And I have no idea how you keep
up with all the in the business. We call them
skews sku's are the different items that you have, but
you'll have you know, take a forty one magnum for instance,
which most people say, well, okay, great, they've got to
(02:34):
load into forty one. Oh no, no, no, no. You've got
a whole bunch of loads with the whole different kinds
of bullets. And then you go to thirty eight. You
got all these different bullets, and you go to thirty
out six. I couldn't even count the number of brands,
you know, Barnes, Sierra, Burger, on and on and on.
I mean, you're loading everybody's bullets to make all these
different things. I would say, you would be pretty much
(02:56):
impossible for somebody to say, I don't think they have
something that's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Going to work for me.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, what's happened to them? As you well know, with
all the problems in the world, we've had some trouble
getting components. So we found new components to substitute, and
much to our delight, they've just come on very strong.
And one of the things is we were having some
(03:22):
bullet problems and we got the Hornedy SST bullet. Well,
I didn't realize what a following and how long that
has been out there, but the customers have just raved
about its accuracy and performance.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Oh and you're right, SST has been out for a
long time. And it's kind of interesting you mentioned that,
because I think there's always been a falling for it,
but through the Internet chatter, I think there are a
lot more people who are starting to pay attention to
the Horny SST bullets and what they do.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And we're talking specifically.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is a hunting bullet and you know you do
make you know, loads with match ammo, but this is
honey ammo.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Correct, correct and that and that's that's the bread and
butter for us. And as I said, that has just
been an outstanding performing bullet for many, many years. And uh,
it was made available to us and so we stuck
our foot, our toe in the water, and golly gosh,
it was it's just uh, it's it's just gone crazy
(04:25):
for us. And it's it's called our We loaded in
in a box called Tipping point two kind of the
second generation, the original tipping point, we had another bullet
and it became unavailable to us, and that's when we
switched over to the SST. And it's uh, it's just
done a great job. And along those same lines, I
(04:45):
know is a kJ You're yeah right, Uh, he had
tested our low recoil AMMO. Well, during all the bad times,
we we still had some trouble sourcing the components necessary.
It's a special bullet that performs in a special powder
(05:06):
that allows it to meet the velocity standards that we need. Well,
we're back up and running with low recoil. So for
the new hunters, the smaller framed hunters, the female hunters,
the useful hunters that don't want to get beat up
with their two forty three, they're thirty to six or
(05:28):
seven mag, we have that available back in the line now,
so we're we're pretty excited about that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, yeah, there's another person here who would like that,
and that'd be the person who says, I've got my
seven mag I'm gonna hunt with the full loads, but
when I go out and practice, I don't want to
get beat up, so I'm going to use the lower
velocity loads.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
For my practice. And then they find out.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, you know, a low velocity, a lower velocity, reduced
velocity if you will, seven mag is really just like
a two to eighty or a seven by fifty seven
and it will kill stick if you want to use
that running correct correct.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, that's it, and it's it's just been. You
had a video and overlap video that one of your
people did showing a difference in recoil between the three
hundred in a three hundred wind mag and show the
rays of the muzzle and overlaid it, and we pretty
much found with this this this low recoil loads of
(06:25):
fifty reduction and recoil. Now just stop and think how
much more pleasant that makes your your rifle. And you've
got a thirteen fourteen year old little boy where you
have a ninety five hundred pound woman shooting. It's it's
just a it's a pleasant way to shoot, and at
the two hundred yards maybe a little bit beyond that,
(06:47):
but we don't recommend a lot beyond that. The bullet
that we've developed or had developed for us performs outstanding.
I've shot a number of white tails in Western Kansas
with it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, there's nothing else boys that just thinking about this
with the lower recoil. If you got a fifty reduction recoil,
people shoot better. They're going to hit their targets better
because they're not afraid of the recoil, which once again
makes the AMMO outperform what you think it will, that
it outperforms the expectations.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Sure, sure that you and I discussed this with one
of our other conversations about the fact that the recoil factor,
whether whether you recognize it or not, you flinch.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
True, and we all do, right, we all do.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I mean I've shot for years and years and thousands
and thousands of rounds of ammunition and you just have
to be careful. But if you monitor yourself, you realize, whoops,
I squeezed the grip for I kind of jerk the
trigger or whatever. So this just gives performance and killing
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ability on game with less abuse of the user.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hey boy, tell me about the factory. You're out there
in Montana. Tell me about your operation.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, we're located in Stevensville, Montana, which is about twenty
five thirty miles south and west of Missoula, Montana, and
we've got a number of buildings. Starting from the back,
we have a full machine shop in the back and
(08:30):
with has hoss equipment and everything, and they're just boy,
they're a lifesaver many times, because machinery breaks when you
use it as much as we do. And then coming
forward from there is one of the loading areas, and
that does both rifle and revolver a handgun ammunition. And
(08:54):
then you come forward and there's a second loading area,
which is bench loading machines, and come forward working to
the front from that is our packaging area and shipping area,
and then just a short move ahead from that is
(09:14):
our office area. And we're surrounded by about thirty acres
of land. We have a range we do our our
own testing, pressure testing and everything. We have almost well
every normal caliber of barrel for our pressure testing equipment,
(09:35):
so that pretty much constitutes the facility itself. We have
a two hundred meter two hundred yard range that's available
for outdoor shooting to see, you know, what the wind
does or whatever else goes on. But basically the testing
is done indoors.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Let me ask you this because I was in my
local grocery store, which also has like lots of AMMO,
and I believe or not, grocery stores out here in
the West, and you'll appreciate that. Now I'm in Idaho,
They've got AMMO and guns and everything else that and
they have I'm looking around, they got a lot of
your AMMO, a lot of HSM ammunition there. So clearly
you're getting your AMMO out into a lot of stores.
(10:16):
But it's still I guess available through online retailers as well.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Midway, Midway Pass Pro Sports, and Swarehouse and distribution. What
you're seeing is probably coming from distribution, and our distribution
chain has just been fabulous and very supportive of us
and very very helpful to the dealer with our products.
We're just our entire marketing as we're very lucky, very fortunate.
(10:46):
But I think some of that just our reputation for
accuracy and performance in prices has resounded with a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I can't let you go without at least addressing them.
You have one of the best collections. Our selections are
lines of bear protection, AMMO and handguns with these hard
cast lead bullets and a lot of different calibers, that
has to be doing okay for you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That's that's that's in our top five. In addition to
just the hard hard lead keep in mind. It's even
gas check that put that bullet, all of those bullets.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Wow, I mean it's really terrific.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, just a just a great load. And you know
we have the Cowboy loads, which are they mirror the
bear loads without the gas check, uh, hardcast bullets and
they mirror it in the same calibers. But uh yeah,
we're pretty diverse, and we're very lucky and very fortunate
to have our customer base recognizes and uh just tell
(11:53):
your your customer, your customers, your listeners out there. You know,
I say, it's tune up time and not for the car,
but seasons, seasons right around the corner. Guys, it is
it is out there. And make sure you can hit
the target so you can hit the real target when
you get out there.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
HSM Ammunition boy Mettes, thank you so much. I always
enjoy having you here.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Likewise, Tom, take care and good hunting.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
All right, thanks so much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
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That's a very different bullets.
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
So what are you doing sitting there and not calling me?
You got a lot of nerd. Give me a holl
Tom talk gun. I see the news that Katherine Crosby died. Okay,
and just think of who's that? Let me explain. There's
a story here, and it's gonna be a point at
the end of it. Katherine Crossby was married to Bing Crosby,
the famous singer and actor. Been a lot of movies,
(15:28):
right and Catherine was a good, big younger and they
met when they were doing she was interviewing him for
something that she was an actress also and was in
a lot of movies. You can go look her up,
Katheryn Crosby. But I met her well back up. Yeah,
I know, I know how pretentious this sounds, but Bing
Crosby was a friend of the family and he and
(15:51):
dad liked to hunt together and they did some TV
shows together, and so I ended up meeting Katherine Crosby
through that connection when I was a lot younger, and
then we got this final story. It's a family story
since most of the people listening here know about our
connection to range Rading Studios and all the rest of it,
and they've seen our son Ryan on our videos and
(16:14):
he runs that side of the operation.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So Ryan was.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Thirteen fourteen, call it something like that, and we're in Nacish, Louisiana,
where we lived at the time, and Katherine Crosby was
a visiting and we were in my brother's restaurant, the Landing,
and worked out that somehow Ryan young Ryan was sitting
next to Katheryne Crosby, who's of course married to Being Crosby,
and they're talking. Well, it turns out she's also registered nurse.
(16:41):
Ah interesting, so this is like a real world person,
and she's asking Ryan about what are you doing.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
He said, well, you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Starting to play football and all she said, yeah, She says,
you know, our son, Nathaniel wanted to play football, and
of course here's where the nurse starts coming out in
her and she said, I told him, if you want
your leg broken, I'll just go ahead and break it
for you. You're not playing football. Well, Nathaniel was an
(17:10):
athlete her son, so he did not play football, but
he went on to win the US Amateur National Championship
in golf, which is one of the biggest things you
can win in golf. And the irony of the whole
thing is about two months later, Ryan broke his leg
(17:30):
playing football in practice, so she had warned him about that.
So there you go. So why does all this matter?
I bring it up for this reason. If you think
about Bing Crosby, you think about Grits my dad, and
they're making the American Sportsman TV show and then the
later the Sports of Field television show. But American Sportsman,
(17:52):
you're talking forty five years ago. Fifty years ago, yeah,
fifty years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
More than that primetime TV, there are only three network
and here's a show about fishing and hunting, and the
celebrities of the day wanted to be on this show
fishing and hunting Red Fox, I mean dad went hunting
with Bruce Jenner. Yeah, I know, it's okay, you know
(18:17):
the big celebrities. Things have changed, and part of that
is the brainwashing of America and the shaming of people
in public about you know, you don't want to be
seen to be hunting. There are a lot of celebrities
who hunt, a lot of celebrities who own guns and
like to shoot, but they don't talk about it in
public because they've been told by their handlers not to.
(18:39):
So what I saw the passing of Katherine Crosby, it
made me think about that and how much things have
changed in the last half century where so many people
in the public eye don't want to be seen as
a gun owner or as a hunter. Hey, let's grab
Joe outline too, out of Jefferson, Texas. Joe, you're on
gun Talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I briefly heard you mentioned that you're gonna be hunting
with your to eighty four Winchester this season. Yes, I've
got one myself. My dad passed a few years back,
and that was part of my inheritance was a bottle
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Oh, the Winchester Model one hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That was what the same rifle I used to shoot
my first dear with when I was eleven years old.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was I was thirteen when I got my first
one with that same rifle.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
So have you shot the two eighty four?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I have not because of lack of ammunition. I also
heard your interview there with HSMMO. When that gout, my
ears perked up that they are loading to eighty four.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Uh, yes, it's they got one load for it. It
looks like one hundred and sixty grain Sierra bullet. But
I would definitely get you a couple of boxes of that.
So you got it for that rifle. Because you've got
this rifle that's been passed down to you. It's part
of the history of the family, and you know it's
only right to go out.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And shoot it.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Absolutely. I mean, it's still a fine looking gun. Only issue.
I'm not sure if my dad changed out the firing
pin on it. I know there was some issues with
I believe it was breakage of the firing pin, was it?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes, I was going to ask you if you knew
if that had been done, because there was a recall
on that rifle. And I'm not sure if you can
still contact Winchester, but you might check the Winchester website
and contact their service people and just see if they
have the information. If they have the records on it,
they would probably know by serial number if that one
(20:39):
had been taken care of.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
That leads me to another question, if it hasn't been
changed out, would you happen to know how difficult a
job that would be for I'm not a gunsmith, but
I'm not totally disoriented as far as mechanical stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, it's not difficult for me because I don't even
attempt it. I just give it to a gun so
I couldn't I couldn't tell you how hard it is,
but I would think a competent gun smith could handle
that for you.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Do you know any good gunsmith's up in this area?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I do not, and I'm you're near Oh you know what?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If you're near Sreeport, first stop would be Clark Custom
Guns in Haughton. Uh, Clark Custom Guns. And if they
don't know, they will know who to send you to. Okay,
but you're right there in the area and they've got
some really top notch gunsmith's there. So try Clark Custom
Guns just outside just east of the city there. I
(21:36):
appreciate that. And yeah, that is a good looking rifle.
And it's always funny because people say, but I'll send
me automatics. You say, yeah, I was eleven years old.
It's a semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Mine was chambered for the three oh eight, which is
considerably more powerful than the two two, three or five
five six cartridge that most ares are chambered for. So anyway,
it doesn't really matter. All of this is just political noise.
When they want to ban the semiauto, that just means
that's the gun they think they can get away with
banning now, and later on they'll come back for the rest.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Back whether here.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
During at the break, we're talking about some of the
ammo over at HSM Ammunition. I noticed they have a
lot of different loads for the forty one magnum at
Michelle says, forty one magnums are really good deer caliber. Yeah,
it would be a straight wall works great. You can
sometimes find them in lever action rifles. I've had forty
(22:41):
one's well really since it was introduced, and Dad had
a model fifty seven Smith and Wesson six inch barrel
revolver and I've still got that one. I ended up
with two or three others and just really like the
forty one. I mean, I like the forty four and
what it does. I get that and it's a little
bit more powerful, and I don't I'm not sure I
(23:02):
can tell you what it is about the forty one.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I like it's people say it shoots a little bit flatter. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It's just it's a really cool, versatile cartridge and a
lot of times you can't find Ammo for a forty
one magnum. I mean, it's typical of the weird stuff
that I like, right, I mean, come on two eighty four,
three thirty eight out six, which, by the way, I
was out shooting yesterday. The next step, I'm hoping that
(23:30):
gets me to where I can enjoy this new to
me rifle, because I got the three thirty eight out six,
as you remember used and then turns out when I
shot it, it's not actually not a three thirty eight
out six, it's actually a three thirty eight out six improved. Okay,
so now the shoulder's blown out. So I pulled a
bunch of bullets and started over with less expensive bullets,
(23:52):
and I got to go fire form cases. So I
had the two entegrained spear bullets in it, and I
loaded them down with Hodgson's power h forty eight ninety five,
which you can reduce. Hodgton says, take their maximum load
forty eight ninety five and reduce that by go down
to sixty five percent of that, and you can use
that as a very reduced load. So I was getting
(24:14):
eighteen hundred feet per second out of this, and I
fire form a bunch of cases, and in the process,
I'm figuring, well, let's not shoot these from the bench.
Once I get it on target, I'm shooting standing up
and kneeling and sitting and different things, and shooting pretty well.
And then every once in a while just flint's like crazy.
It's like, oh man, that was ugly, once again bringing
(24:38):
up the need for practice, right to get out there
and do it. Otherwise that deer or elk or moose
or whatever it is. If you got to shoot, particularly
if you've got to shoot off hand, which we tend
not practice much at all, but that may be the
only shot you have. And I will tell you you
(24:58):
can prove so quickly with some practice. I'm talking about
like with one hundred dry fires, two hundred drive fires,
you are actually improving.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
You see the improvement that quickly. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hey, let's grab Scott online one out of Louisiana. Scott,
you're on gun Talk. What's you thinking? Hey Scott, you're there.
It's Tom.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you picked.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We got you, Scott. You go ahead.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Difficulties here, that's all right, you go ahead. Oh come man,
I believe it was last week or week before were
your here talking about how we be ready and able
to defend ourselves that they're not going to in time
and so forth? And I agree person and sentiments, But
(25:52):
the reality is going to come to where are you?
What locale are you in? You can be in a
state and be surrounded by a blue metality that will
absolutely do nothing and look the other way when you
start bothering, you, harassing you. This situation where I was
(26:14):
being harassed nonstopful. It turns out we're convicted felons, multiple
convictions assaulting people assaulting numbers, drug charges, making terroristic and
in my area unfortant. It seems that the fat you are,
the more work they look the other way.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's a Scott, I hate to do this, man, and
I've kind of pick it up as you're saying, but
we're having so many problems with your phone. I'm going
to have to just thank you for the call and
let you drop off and see if maybe I can
address some of that a little bit. Uh, But I apologize,
but we've got just a bad phone connection there and
it's just not working for us. I think what Scott's
(26:52):
saying is that he was in a situation where the
police didn't come to protect him.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
If I got that right.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
There are no guarantees, and yeah, you could even have
police around you, they'd choose not to protect you for
whatever reason, but.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
That's pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
More likely is they are either slow to get there
or they don't come at all, Which takes us back
to the phrase which I like a lot actually, which
is you are in fact your own first responder. The
other part of it is, look, if you're in a
situation where you can get away, you can escape by
all means to do that. If you can walk away, great,
If you can run away, great, If you can drive
(27:28):
away even better.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Food for thought.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And here's your tip for the day. Don't get out
of your car. Somebody's come up and beating on your car.
You know, he's beating on your car, on your car,
he's beating on your window.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Or you see a situation development it looks weird. Your
car is a protective element. It is a cocoon around you.
If you get out of your car, you're giving that away.
You're also giving away your escape pod because that will
let you drive away. You have to have thought this
(28:04):
through ahead of time to sell from here. I mean,
how many times am I going to go back to
this often? Which is if you have thought it through
and you say, Okay, if there's a weird situation developing
and I'm in my car, I'm going to drive away.
That's my first go to reaction. I'm going to drive away.
I can drive forward, I can drive backwards, I can
(28:26):
do J turns, I can do whatever I gotta do.
I gotta get away from there. I'm going to stay
in my car. I'm going to drive away. Even if
you say I'm going to drive two hundred yards I'm
gonna stop and call nine one one and tell them
what's going on. Get yourself to safety first. Don't worry
about calling the police. Get yourself to safety first. And
(28:47):
some people will say, well, you know you left the
seat of a crime. You know, not really, you got
yourself to safety, called nine one one. You say, with
the police there, I'll come back and we'll tell you
what happened here. You have to have this in your
head ahead of time, and taking that one step further,
Not only do you need to have it in your
(29:07):
head ahead of time, your family members need to have this.
And that means you. If you're the one, then you
probably are. If you're listening to this, you're probably the
one who thinks about safety and security and reactions and
what are you going to do if and all that
kind of stuff, and maybe the other members of your
family don't. Can I just say, I think it's your
responsibility to make sure that they have changed their thinking
(29:29):
so they start thinking about safety, even if they start
rolling their eyes. Oh dad, oh gosh, you're thinking about
that again. You talking about that again? Yes, I am,
even if they don't seem like they're hearing it. Teenagers
are ignoring you. They're hearing it and they're getting it,
and more than likely they will react the proper way.
You just have to keep having that conversation. Have it
(29:50):
over dinner, have it now. What would you do here?
What would you do here? Let's talk about this, Let's
talk about that. You're plugging all that information in and
it's amazing. The brain will pull it up when you
need it, and you will react the way that you
have trained your brain that this is what I will
do in this situation, instead of having to search and
search and search and search and try to find what
(30:11):
am I going to do? Now it's in there. You
just reach into the right file drawer and pull it
out and your brain goes boom. We're gonna drive away.
We're gonna call nine one one when we'll get further away.
There it is. You got to think about it ahead
of time, otherwise you won't know what you're going to do.
All right, quick break here, we're going to step aside.
Your chance to give us a shout. Tell me what
you have been thinking about, what you have been buying?
(30:33):
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Speaker 2 (33:17):
For a lot of time, I cut off subscribing to
the Wall Street Journal. I just didn't think there was
anything in there for me. And recently I said, oh,
we had to subscribe to the online version because they
have information in there that I can pull from occasionally.
And there are two pieces that just came out in
the Wall Street Journal Believer or Not One he's kind
of applicable for what we're doing here, and it's an
(33:37):
editorial and the title of it is Hillary Clinton's new
speech code, and it starts off the former senator and
Democratic presidential nominee says spreading what she calls disinformation should
be a crime.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, she basically not.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Basically, she did say that some forms of disinformation or
misinformation should be a crime impunishable by imprisonment. Consider what
that is. That would be speech that she doesn't agree with.
That would be anything you say where they say, well,
(34:22):
that's not right. Our fact checkers disagree with you, like
oh Snopes, the fact checkers who are almost always wrong
when it comes to gun issues. This would this be
like the disinformation of the fifty one intelligence experts who
said that the information on Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.
(34:48):
This would be the information that Hillary Clinton and the
Democrat Party paid for the fake dossier on Donald Trump.
Jee throw her in jail, lock her up. I've heard
that before. I only bring this up.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
As a reminder.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
That, for whatever reason, it seems to me from where
I sit, much more so on the Democrat side, the
liberal side, the left side, people are willing to throw
you in jail for your thoughts. People are willing to
do you physical harm. Oh yeah, like two assassination attempts
(35:32):
because they disagree with you. They it seems to be
we used to say, well, we just disagree, we'll agree
to disagree. I have a different view than you do,
and we'll work on that. I'll work to promote my
beliefs and you work to promote your beliefs. But it's
become a case of no from the left, at least
(35:56):
they want to destroy you. I mean, like really destroy you.
Take your jobs. Oh yeah, you didn't take the vaccine.
You're out of a job, You're ostracized. And now, of course,
because so much of our lives are all online. Your
shadow band or your band, or you're shut down, or
you have a gun store, and all of a sudden,
(36:17):
your Facebook page disappears for whatever reason. Who knows why.
Nobody who appeal to. There's no phone numbers, so nobody
to talk to. It's like you had a store on
the main street with a big sign and all of
a sudden, you're signed was yanked down and nobody knows
you're there anymore. That's the reality of it. And then
we have this story out of the Wall Street Journal.
(36:38):
This was interesting. Starts off twenty nine percent of Democrats
are those leaning Democrat said they had a gun home
in twenty twenty two, up from four decades ago. There
are four decade low rather of twenty two percent in
twenty ten. So in twenty ten it was twenty two
(36:58):
percent and now it's twenty nine percent. Them fifty five
percent of Republicans had a gun in their home, up
three percentage points since two thy ten. That survey of
thirty five hundred adults. What does that mean in terms
of the election? Probably nothing? Really, Is there anybody who
(37:19):
doesn't understand that Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz want to
ban your guns. They want to start with some, they
want to work their way to others. And they'll say, well,
we don't want to take everybody's guns away. That's their
way of trying to cloud what they're doing. We don't
want to take everyone's guns away. We just want to
take away the guns of some people, you know, people
we don't agree with. We don't like people whose guns
(37:41):
are ugly, because we can convince the public that these
guns that aren't military guns but look kind of like
military guns are somehow evil.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And must be banned. Huh.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
We know that they want and She says she wants
a ban on assault weapons what she calls except that
now she doesn't. She did want to ban on semi automous,
but now she doesn't. She did want to ban on
standard capacity magazines, but somehow now she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
She does. Here's the weird part.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right like two days after she announced that she didn't
want to take anybody's guns away, she puts out a
tweet on x A post that says, we must ban
assault weapons. You cannot be Here's the deal. You cannot
be supportive of the Second Amendment and support gun bans.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
The two are mutually exclusive. If you want to.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Ban guns, you are an enemy of the Second Amendment
and want to do away with it. You're not a supporter.
Anything else is just a lie. Talk about your starter guns.
Alcoholed in he's got a question out of Arkansas. Hey, Al,
(39:12):
you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
What you got? Hey?
Speaker 14 (39:14):
Greetings Tom. Yet your show brings joy to me every
time I hear a good job a baby gun the daisy.
They were in northwestern Arkansas and they went out of
business or changed something. But I need the some of
(39:36):
the internal parts to the baby gun. I can't get
them from any any place. They have told me, they said,
we sold them to these people, only sold them to
these people, and those people will never get back to
me and tell me they have it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So have you're talking to the people at Daisy now.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Is that correct?
Speaker 14 (39:57):
I have talked to them, Yes, okay, because.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I mean they do have their website Days dot com,
which would be where I would start.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Which model do you have? What are you're looking parts for?
Speaker 14 (40:10):
I got two of them. One of them's are Ted
Williams and the other is just the standard one with
all metal parts. I had gotten some parts from them
that were plastic and they didn't go in there.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
M Well, you know, I mean, honestly, if Daisy doesn't
have them and can't help you, I don't know of
anybody who's going to have those. I mean, there are
people who are making higher end airguns and pelaguns now
and you can get service on those. But you know,
Ted Williams model Daisy has got to be a fifty
(40:50):
year old air gun. I mean it's been fifty years
since Ted Williams was endorsing guns.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Great, Okay, Honestly, I'll tell you what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We'll put out the word if somebody has an idea
of where to go with this. Maybe somebody can call in.
You keep listening to see if we can get you
some info. I really don't have anything other than sending
you to Daisy. And again I started at Daisy dot
com and then you work your way around. But yeah,
if it's been sold and I didn't know what the
(41:21):
background is there, often the new owners will say, you know,
we're just not taking care of those old guns, especially
something that's fifty years old. And for those who don't
know Ted Williams, the famous ball player, and thanks for call,
appreciate that he was an avid outdoorsman, very accomplished, world
class fly fisherman, and as you might imagine, a really
(41:42):
good wing shot. I mean, anybody who can bat four
hundred has unbelievable hand eye coordination. And we've worked with
some of these athletes before. Gabrielle Reese, the bodyball player.
We took her out to shoot, introduce her to clay
target shooting, and gave her some really easy, straight waight
targets and like within five or ten minutes she say, well, yeah,
(42:03):
what else you got And it's like now we're doing
hard crossers and she's crushing these targets, the hand eye
coordination athletes, when you get right down to it, that's
just a form of cheating. It's simply unfair because they're
really not like the rest of us. And I mean
I've seen them pick up a paddle for playing ping
(42:26):
pong and are crushing people instantly. They just are good
at everything. There reflexes, the hand eye coordination. The many
times it's the ice sight. William said he could see
the ball coming out of the picture's hand. He can
see which way the seams are spinning the moment it
came out of his hand. It's like a clay target shooter.
(42:48):
I knew once who was the Olympic Great clay target shooter.
He said, oh, yeah, when I'm seeing the targets, well,
I can see the dimples on a clay target, you know,
those temples on a clay target. He can see them
when it's spinning. And he would say, yeah, you know,
I had a bad day. I said, well, Dan, you
broke all of them. He said yeah, but I broke
them all on the back half of the target. And Tim,
(43:10):
that was a bad day. I mean, he went one
hundred out of one hundred, but he wasn't hitting them
the way he wanted to. Those people are different from us,
they just are, and you know, for that we hate them.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
That's okay, it's just there. It is all right when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
What's it like to be the editor of a major
gun magazine. That's a cool gig our number eighty six
y six Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. We'll be right
back with more gun talking.
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.