September 29, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Gavin Geer, of Ultimate Handloading, shares reasons for handloading your own ammo.
-- One man's delighted experience with the Smith & Wesson FPC carbine.
-- He's new to handguns. Where can he find shooting classes, and what are the benefits of dry firing practice?
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-- Gavin Geer, of Ultimate Handloading, shares reasons for handloading your own ammo.
-- One man's delighted experience with the Smith & Wesson FPC carbine.
-- He's new to handguns. Where can he find shooting classes, and what are the benefits of dry firing practice?
Gun Talk 09.29.24 Hour Three
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Here we're still doing this talk about guns because well
just gun talk, that's what we do here. I'm Tom
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(00:59):
of a out there And this week coming up in
just about an hour, we're gonna have a surprise guest
on the after show. We don't used to have guests
on the after show, but we're gonna kick jim Off.
We're gonna put in I'll give it away. We're gonna
put in uncle Ted. This is gonna be way too
much fun, so we gotta check that out. You know,
(01:20):
I've been talking about working up this three thirty eight
odds six now improved, and having to get new sets
of dies and everything else. I've been deep into this.
I thought, well, who better to have come in and
talked to us about handloading, reloading, why do it and
everything else than every buddy Gavin Gear He is Ultimate
Reloading is the website and his YouTube video site. It's
amazing all the stuff Gavin that you do. But I
(01:42):
want to hear what have you been riding? Because you're
a motorcycle dude. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Hey, Tom, it's so good to talk to you again.
And everybody else on the gun Talk Network. We funny.
Ultimate Reloader team was just on a ride moments ago today.
It was the KTM ten ninety Adventure. I was on
Guy was on his v Strom six fifty and Tyler
our camera. Guy was on his KLR six fifty riding
(02:10):
up in the mountains around uld Sprint Reloader. It was
a great time.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, Jim our producers drooling, He said, I've only gotten
like five hundred miles this year. He's his summer's been
so busy. He hadn't been riding much. So we're gonna
have to get Jim out there and maybe maybe you
can get him reacquainted with what motorcycles are all about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Sounds like a good plan.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right. So how do you go from being a
tech wizard in the tech world to doing everything you're
doing with Ultimate Reloader?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, it was a matter of necessity. Really, it was
a practical endeavor at first. Basically I did a lot
of hiking. I knew I needed a forty four magnum
so that I feel more confident if I spooked a
mama cub and her little babies, you know. So I
bought a forty four magnum, and I started to go
to the gun range, indoor gun range in town and
(03:04):
discovered I really liked it. Started going every week, and
then I thought to myself, if you can believe it,
at the time, forty four magnum mag tech, I want
to say, AMMO was about eighteen to twenty dollars a
box of fifty, which is smart as a fantasy anymore,
right right, right, At the time, it was expensive, and
so I thought, well, what would it cost me to
(03:27):
reload Ammo. Pretty soon I had a Lee Pro one
thousand and was loading AMMO and was shooting weekly, and
so I shot two or three boxes of AMMO instead
of one.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And see that's how it starts, right, You think, well,
I'll just get into this to save a little money.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And you know I even stole my wife's London Pledge
furniture polish and used that for case loube I was
on an extreme budget. You know, two young kids, you know,
they were just five and seven I think at the time.
And so you know, I started that reloading journey with
the Pro one thousand, but it didn't take long and
I decided I needed to do a better machine. That's
(04:06):
exactly how a mechanical engineer would think, you know. So
I set out to buy a five station progressive reloader,
and I quickly discovered this is just as complicated as
buying into a phone system or into a camera system.
You know, you buy a camera and you got different
sensor sizes, different ones is, you know, different investifications, and
(04:29):
you know one can be in total agony, you know,
analysis paralysis for the for the consumer, and so I
eventually decided on the quantity lock and load AP and
after doing that, I thought, well, maybe I should make
some resources available for those that want to purchase these
complicated progressive reloading machines. And so I set out to
(04:52):
make videos of each of the five station progressive reloaders
on the market at the time. And I thought, where
am I going to put these? Well, are not YouTube.
And that was back in two thousand and seven, two
thousand and eight, that kind of timeframe when I was
just starting to upload content right very early, it was
more or less the Wildwest. Stake your claims, start making content,
(05:13):
and you it's yours, you know, And I've just never
stopped since then.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And I'm just going to say, go fast forward. I mean,
now you've got this massive YouTube presence, Ultimate reloader dot Com,
you're making rifles, you're designing stuff, you got this incredible
shop up in the hills and in a beautiful place,
and it just it all started with well, reloading makes sense.
(05:37):
I could probably save a few Nichols doing that. I
can't tell you, Gavin, I know you heard from everybody else.
That's how we all got started, Just like oh, We'll say,
have a little money, and then you look around and
go where did all these presses come from?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Right? Pretty soon it becomes an obsession, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It can become its own hobby, and I'd want to
make people underst That's a good thing because it is
a fun hobby in and of itself. Is loading Amo,
particularly metallic we're talking metallic mostly here, of creating loads
that simply cannot be done otherwise. I mean, I can't
go to a store and buy Ammo for a three
(06:15):
thirty eight six actually improved, thank god. So it gives
me a chance to go tinker.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Absolutely, make it your own, make it work for you,
you know, doing load development and getting getting your standard
deviation on your velocity down to below ten ft per
second and achieving long term goals that would be nearly
impossible sometimes with factory Ammo, you know, to great crests.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Really all right, here's a question for you. There was
a time before we were doing a lot of long
range shooting where it may not have mattered that much.
If you had an extreme spread of thirty or forty
feet per second in your loads, big deal. But if
you're shipping out of one thousand yards or two thousand yards.
If you have different is in your velocity, you muzz
(07:01):
blost east of fifty feet per second. That is a
big deal, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And with all of the other technology we have available today,
like ballistic solvers that use atmospherics and density, altitude and
laser rangefinders, you have the capability of pinpoint accuracy as
long as your velocity and now the blistic coefficient of
the bullet is consistent. Now that's something that we've just
(07:30):
actually dug into, and really the last week we just
got a hold of one of those pilot program units,
the Veloci radar from Calmwell right, yeah, just brand new. Yeah.
It uses chirp radar and it maps out your blistic
coefficient between zero yards and one hundred yards and very
(07:50):
accurately because it uses it ramps up and ramps down
a radar signal and it does ten of those pairs,
so's the twenty packets of information and a lot higher resolution.
It knows the distance of the bullet. It can calculate
not only the ballistic coefficient, but the consistency of the
ballistic coefficient. And if you have that and a real
(08:12):
accurate average velocity with tight spreads. Now you're able to
you're able to account for a lot more variables like
your current atmospheric's and the effect that your barrel is
imparting on the jacket of the bullet, all of that,
and that really just takes the whole picture of reloading
and it extends it that much further.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, if I may, Gavin, what we're talking about here
is the ballistic coefficient that's listed by the manufacture is
not necessarily a lie, although there have been some lies
put out there by that, but it is one number
that's derived at a specific velocity at a specific range,
and it may not be true for your rig. But
(08:56):
what you're describing this new system from callwell, and we
were just talking about the garment chronograph just not long
ago on the show, and that is fabulous, But this
is like one step further because now you're actually measuring
the vosity not just at one point, but at a
number of points as it goes down range and as
it slows down, it can now calculate what the true
(09:17):
ballistic coefficient of that bullet on that flight is.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, exactly, And that just means that much quicker ability
to get really good data for use in the field,
and one of the things we want to do is
kind of put that to the test. We'll shoot it
one hundred yards, We'll get simplistic coefficient data for our
rifle and that bullet on that day, and then take
the dope that the Caldwell velociraate are can calculate and
(09:45):
then try it out. What's going to happen at thirteen
hundred and sixty yards or what's going to happen at
a thousand yards and see how all those two things
line up. It's like solving a mystery, and we're getting
closer and closer to quick and easy answers.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You are the Sherlock Holmes of reloading, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm constantly learning, and I have access to a lot
of the world's grids, and that's the best part of
the whole thing, really is to be able to talk
to Brian Litz, you know, either on camera at the
shot show or even you know, email him or call him,
and then to talk to other you know, gunsmiths that
are at the top of the game. And I don't
want to have to figure out all this stuff by myself.
(10:28):
I'd rather, you know, learn from the master and hopefully
share that information with other people so that they can
achieve success easily and more quickly.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, and then you take that and you share what
you know with the rest of us. And I got
to wrap it up. I'm going to send people to
Ultimate reloader dot com and also I guess on YouTube
just look for Ultimate Reloader.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Absolutely yep.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And you never know what you guys are up to.
But it did a learning experience and it's just say,
it's a journey. You just start on it and everybody
is at a different place along the path, but you're helping
pull people along. And congratulations to what you're doing. It
is wonderful what you're up to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Thanks so much, Tom.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
All right, you take care, get back on that bike man,
have some fun out there. Gavin Gear from Ultimate Reloader.
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Speaker 2 (13:52):
I have no idea what we were talking about. Jim
and I went off on tangents during break. We're going
all over the place, talk about motorcycles and such. Here's
the story for you in the category of I'm only
one person, what can I do? And look, we've all
had that feeling we say I should do something. Yeah,
(14:13):
I'm only one person? What can I do? Let me
tell you a story. It's actually starts off sad because
we've just learned that Jim Sable has died. He was
the founder of the USA Clay Target League. Let me
tell you a story. In two thousand and one he
had retired, just retired, he decided to get involved. He
(14:35):
was named the youth programming director at the Plymouth Gun
Club just outside of Minneapolis, and he wanted to get
more young people involved in the student sports. And so
people asked, well, where are you going to go to
do that? He said, Well, in the schools, he says,
that's where the kids are. So the first year Jim
entered a mentoring program at the Honoro schools. He brought
(14:59):
sick students to the club every week to shoot trap
and skip. Six students to the club each week to
shoot trap and skiep. They had a whole bunch of fun.
So does he And then the words started spreading. And
then in two thousand and eight, the Minnesota state high
school clay target Lead started with just three teams and
thirty student athletes. Okay, this year, wait for it, over
(15:27):
fifty two thousand students. Way to go, Jim. Over fifty
two thousand students participated on nearly two thousand school approved
teams nationwide. One guy, I'm only one person. What can
I do? Well? You start? I had a boss he
(15:50):
used to work for. He's crazy as to loon, except
he's a brilliant, one of those guys. But he used
to say something that was interesting to me. He said,
we'd start on a I said, well, you know, how
are we going to do that? What are we gonna do?
How's this going to work? What's the plan? He said,
I don't know, Tom. He says, we just start. We
take a step, and we see where we are, and
(16:11):
then we take another step and we see where we are.
And I kind of likened it to an image I
have of when you're out hunting and you're slipping along
really slowly, really quietly in the woods, and every time
you take a step, you're in a different place. The
view is different slightly. You can see down a lane,
you can see behind a tree, you can see this way.
(16:34):
And Bob hinting an Alaska magazine. He was a publisher
and the owner, and I was the editor of Alaska Magazine.
He said, we're going to start this project, and I
would always I'm just young, I'm anxious. I wanted to
get things gone on, ready to go. He said, I
don't know, Tom, We're just going to take a step
and see where we are, and then we'll adjust from
there and take another step and see where we are.
But his thing was if you don't start it, you'll
(16:57):
never get anywhere, and if you wait until you know
how it's going to end up, you'll never get started.
And it's an interesting idea of you know, okay, how
are we going to start? I don't know what's it
going to become. I don't know, but maybe I can
take six kids to the range each week and we'll
(17:18):
see what happens, and you end up with fifty two
thousand kids shooting clay targets.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
That is.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Beyond a multiplier effect, because each of those kids talks
to another kid, and then they become an adult and
they're talking to other people. Now. I talked about this
before I created the term. I call it vaccinating people.
If you take them out shooting and they like shooting,
you vaccinate them against the lies. You vaccinate them against
(17:55):
being to a well, guns are bad. Gun people are bad.
Gun people are evil. Oh no, no, I'm one of those.
I like shooting. I like shooting clay targets. I like
shooting skieped and tramp and then maybe you try another
kind of shooting. I don't know. It's one of those things.
I say, Well, I'm only one person, What could I do?
(18:16):
Can you take somebody to the range? Well, the answer
is clearly yes. If you can go to the range,
you can take somebody else. You can invite a friend.
And we've talked about this before, the multiplier effect. What if,
you know, play with the numbers. What if half the
gun owners out there invited somebody to go to the
range and they went. I saw survey recently out recently.
(18:39):
It was some years ago now, actually it was done
by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and they said that
not part of the shooting world, just in the general public.
If you ask women if they would go shooting, half
of them said they would go shooting if they were asked.
(19:01):
Half the women in America said they would go to
the range if they were invited. Don't know what the
number would be with me, and I haven't seen that number,
but that's an amazing number to me. Why aren't they going,
clearly because no one asked them. Part of what happens,
I think, particularly these days of social media and the
(19:27):
anger tainment industry, where you have TV networks that make
billions of dollars out of keeping people angry, you have
social media platforms that are designed to keep you angry.
Being angry is a weird feeling. It actually feels good
(19:47):
in a way psychologically, maybe physically, I don't know, but
being angry makes you feel good and you want to
come back to that, and so that's why you get
fed the stuff you get fed on social media, and
the algorithms work on that. And I love that term
I picked up from somebody I stole it called it's
(20:08):
not the entertainment industry, it's the angertainment industry. You go
all the way back to Jerry Springer, those kind of
shares Mary Povich where they're throwing chairs and people love
to watch it. I've never understood that whole thing. Why
would you want to watch people getting angry and losing
their minds over stuff like that? But people do, and
so they come back to them. Here's the thought for
(20:30):
you kind of connected, not exactly, but it's random. I'm
all over the place right now. I have asked this
question in the past, and I want to repeat it
just because I think of bears repeating, And that is,
how would you know how would you find out if
something that you quote unquote know to be true is
(20:54):
not true? That is, how do you verify that the
things you think are true are actually true. I would
suggest that the only way to find out is to
put them to the test. How would you put your
thoughts your beliefs to the test. You got to go
look at other thoughts and beliefs, You got to try
(21:16):
them out. If you're watching Fox News all the time,
can I suggest you switch over and watch MSNBC and CNN,
not just for a few minutes, but for a while.
And you may say, yeah, those people are crazy and
I don't agree with them, Okay, but start listening. What
are they saying? What are their beliefs about particular areas?
And you may come away with your idea that well,
(21:38):
I'm completely right. I know I'm right. Okay, fine, you
at least put it to the test. But if you don't,
if you just live in your silo, in your bubble,
in your reinforced, algorithmically controlled world, how would you ever know?
I don't know. I think it's worth doing that. It's
an intellectual experiment that you can do, just something up
(22:01):
to play with as you go along here. So question
on the floor is what have you been shooting? Have
you shot an rim fires recently? And if not, why not? Oh?
And I got new suppressors this week.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, let's just keep talking about guns. I'm Tom Gresham
and this is Gun Talk eight six six Talk Gun
or Tom Talk Gun will certainly get you in there.
And also you can check us out. We have videos
we are releasing all the time over on YouTube is
probably the best place to find that. You also can,
of course find our TV shows. We have guns and Gear.
(22:40):
We have Billbox and of course the First Person Defender,
all really really good TV shows produced at the headquarters
down in Louisiana at rains Ready Studios. Our number here,
Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy. Let's see here. Steve called
in out of Omaha, Nebraska. Hey Steve, what you got?
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Tom? So the old West guys had it right right
side arm long gun with the same caliber hell reaction,
and our good friend Mike Venturino god Restisol helped rekindle
a lot of these old flames right right. I've always
tried to do that with my modern farm. And a
few weeks back you had a gentleman from a young
(23:23):
man from Smith and Wesson on talking about carry cop
the M and P two point oh carry cop. Well,
I haven't had one, so I ordered.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It, and it hasn't arrived yet.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
But what has arrived is the Smith and Wesson FPC
folding pistol arm. Well, now I have a side arm
and a long gun, but with compatible legs and the
same caliber.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, so uh for those are the M P
FPC it is. It looks like an M and P pistol,
but it's actually a rifle configuration, a folding stock that
uses the M and P magazine so you can use
the same mags a nine milimeter. Have you shot your
new FPC yet?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I have? I have.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
It is so smooth and of course, you know, nine
mil out of a rifle is even it's not a
you know, an ar, but it's smooth, it's low recoil
and shoots like awesome and with a can holy cap.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's what opten did you put on it?
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Right now? I've just got a peep site with a
with a uh the front side of the light with
a post that you turn on with your phone, and
the rear is a fold.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Up, a flip up peep site.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
I haven't got a red red down on it yet.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But I will. Okay, all right, and you got it
and you but you have shot it. With a can.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Yes, oh my gosh, yeah, it's like a twenty two.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
It is.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
Well, before that it was recoil was pretty low. Anyway,
now it's quiet and the low recoil.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So what's the plan. What are you going to do
with this thing?
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Well, it's a I don't know, a truck guy. I
guess home defense possibly, But it's with the can on it,
it's not as small when you fold it up. Of course,
without it, it's really it holds up and it's kind
of carrying case and that's going to be real convenient
(25:28):
in a type place.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But now I know you haven't shot it with your
optic yet. But I got a question for you because
I was thinking about this as a self defense rig,
and one of the things I thought of is, you
know we always talk about, you know too to the body.
One of the chest or started the body question for you.
Because of the extra accuracy and the ability to shoot
more accurately with a long gun, how would you feel
(25:52):
if faced with the need to go to headshots immediately
with this rig?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, my eyesight, you know, I'm just my reflections aren't
as good and all the other old people's stuff. But
on my other firearms. I not only have a red dot,
but I have a laser. So if in a tight
spot and you draw and all you do is drop
(26:20):
your elbow and that risk comes up, you're still not
you're not even a tigh ready yet, but the laser
is on target. I want to put a laser combo
on this gun, a light laser, red dot, and that
way you've got, you know, two options, laser or the
(26:45):
red dot, and of course they'll you know, about thirty
feet or thirty yards, whatever you want. You can co
witness on my release that the axis cross about that
far out. But because they're not going to be exact,
but you can use either in a tight spot.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So there's another factor here. I want to want to
mention to people that they may not have thought up.
This is a nine milimeter It looks like an M
and P pistol, but you've got a sixteen inch barrel
and what that's going to give you is considerably more
velocity out of your nine milimeter than you have out
of your pistol.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Correct, Yes, and I do I do.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Critical duty instead of critical defense? Well, no, I take
the back. Critical duty is what I carry on. I'm
outside critical defense is what I have on my inside
the house guards because I don't want to go through
the walls. I want to, but when I'm out, I
want to be able to go through glass in doors
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yep, yep, do whatever. You may be overthinking of, but
maybe not. At least you're thinking about it, and that's
not a bad thing. Look, this is a great range report.
I appreciate the M and p FPC series available in
Flat dark Earth now as well as others. You can
go to smith Dash Western Smith Dashwestland dot com. I
get say that it all today. I don't know why.
(28:02):
Thanks to the call. I appreciate that if you're on hold,
don't go anywhere. We're going to get to you. I'm
gonna take the break early that we will have more
time on the backside. More callers. If you want to
join us, can we holler Tom talk gun is the number.
Be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (30:38):
All right, let's go straight to the phones line. Five
days with us out of port. You're on Michigan Dave.
You're on gun Talk. How can we help you today?
Speaker 9 (30:47):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Tom? How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Great?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I am two handguns. I've picked up a couple used
all Smithland Watson MMP nine and then I've got the
Springfield Armory XT nine and I also picked up XD forty.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
But I like to say, like I say, I'm new
to all handguns, and I hear you talking about dry firing,
and I'm trying to understand. I know you do it
without any m on the gun and it helps muzzle controls.
That what I'm understanding.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
All right, let me explain what why we dry fire?
First of all, because your new two guns or new handguns,
I want to emphasize no ammunition in the room. And
no amo in the room where you're dry firing. That
way you can't possibly make a mistake and have am
win a gun. The goal of dry firing is pretty simple.
You we're working on trigger control because the trigger is
(31:59):
in line percent of accuracy. It's not aiming, it's the trigger.
And so what you're trying to do is you aim
at a spot with sites and you press the trigger,
and you want to keep the sites on the target
whatever it is you're aiming at until after the trigger
has been pulled and it goes click, and you continue
(32:20):
to hold that site picture so that after the shot
you're still on target. And so you do that over
and over, and you're working on a good smooth trigger
press that doesn't disturb the sites even with follow through,
even after the shot, you're still aiming in That's what
you're looking for, because that is why people miss almost entirely.
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It's just terrible trigger control.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Okay, okay, and do anybody in my area for good training?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't, but I don't live in Michigan. But I'll
tell you what. If you will, just check around. There
are going to be places that have their shooting ranges.
Call them and say do you have classes or do
you have an instructor who can do one on one
class with me? Tell them give them me a good
honest assessment of where you are. I'm brand new to
this and I've got these pistols, and there will be
(33:18):
a range that says, oh, we do classes or we
have an instructor, we can hook you up. It's going
to be so easy. You're going to be amazed that
you're even worried about it at all.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Okay, I appreciate your timetime. And can I encourage everybody
to get out involved? It's important.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Absolutely. Oh and by the way, Michelle sends me a
note here she says local stores are a good source,
but also call the local sheriff's department. They will actually
have an idea of where you can go for training
as well.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Okay, I appreciate it. We'sh I was a little closer
to Alita. I go down and see Michelle.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, that road trip is not a bad idea either,
So Dave, I appreciate the call. Let me grab Joe
in Eerie, Kansas. Hey, Joe, you're on gun Talk. What
are you thinking?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Yeah, we the people whom Kamla would subject to social
evaluation to the Night Constitutional Rights to oh, Donald Trump
a debt of gratitude for what he did in twenty
seventeen by overturning Barack Obama's executive.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Order, Oh, the one on Social Security. Yes, yes, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
If you've look, there have been a lot of these
executive orders. Of course, Biden just signed executive orders two
days ago with more gun restrictions and putting restrictions on
handmade or homemade guns. They call them ghost guns. I
(34:45):
think that's going to get crushed in the court rapidly.
Those lawsuits are already underway. But this is part of
this campaign idea of we're going to show people we're
tough on guns. Asked. This weird part is at the
same time that Kamala Harris is pretending to be a
gun owner and some kind of John wickish person, where
(35:07):
she says, you know, if someone breaks into my home,
they're going to get shot. I don't think so, unless
it's a secret service or somebody. But no, you're right.
Look and look, I appreciate your call. I want to
make this point. I've made it before, I want to
make it again. It's this important. People are voting right now,
Early voting is underway. You may not like Donald Trump
(35:27):
on some issues. Heck, I don't like Donald Trump on
some issues, but I have figured out that gun rights
in the Second Amendment is my personal litmus test. If
you don't trust people to have their own guns and
you don't trust people to be able to protect themselves,
that I don't think I trust you as a politician.
(35:48):
I am able to put aside the other stuff and say, look,
I know I'm not going to get everything I want
in a candidate. Never has happens, never going to happen.
People are human. So Donald Trump is not perfect, but
perfect is really not. On the ballot, we get one
or the other. And I'm okay saying, all right, I
(36:08):
would simply disagree with him. I'll agree to disagree with
him on some things. Or I wish he wouldn't present
himself the way he does sometimes. Okay, fine, not a
big deal. And I certainly don't mind mean tweets. I
don't care. All I care really about is policy, and
when it comes to Second Amendment policy, he's generally been
very good. He's not perfect, definitely not, but generally we're
(36:32):
going to get a lot better treatment for protection of
the Second Amendment. Under Donald Trump, we certainly are going
to get better judges and justices. And it was his
three appointments for nominations to the Supreme Court that made
the difference in the Brewin decision. Huge. Huge. We get two,
(36:55):
maybe even three more justices out of the next four
years that are strong on the Constitution and support the
Bill of Rights, then we have a twenty or thirty
year impact there. The flip side of that is if
it goes the other way, they're going to be working
really hard to overturn Heller and McDonald and Bruin and
(37:18):
put back in the gun band and the gun confiscations
that they want. For me, it's easy, not simple. Okay,
simple is not the same as easy. Simple means there's
nothing to think about it. There's a lot of things
to think about. But when I look at it and
analyze it, I just don't have any trouble coming to
(37:40):
the conclusion that for me, for gun rights, for the
Second Amendment, and I would add for the border and
for a lot of other things, and for the economy
and for not being able to afford groceries, and the
fact that there are a lot of women and moms
out there that can't send their daughters to dance class
because they can barely afford the food. These days, there's
a lot of that going on. That choice is simple.
(38:03):
So we cannot we being gun owners, we cannot sit
this one out. And more than that, it's time to
be a pain in the rear of your friends to
call them and bug them. Are you registered to vote?
Let's make sure, let's check well I think I am. Well,
that's not good enough. I haven't voted in a long time.
Then you probably got you may have gotten wiped off
(38:24):
the rolls. We've got to get you back on. And
now we've got to get you to vote. And early
voting is actually very convenient and it says smart thing
to do. You never know what may come up on
election day and you're not able to get to the polls.
And don't tell me it doesn't matter I live in
California or I live in Texas. It matters. It matters
to the country. It also matters to you and your
image of who you are. You a person who actually
(38:46):
takes the time to do your constitutional duty, your patriotic
duty to vote. You're not one of those people just
shrugs it off. Are you I didn't think so. Hey,
I'm Tom Gresh would be right back with gun talk.
(39:07):
I just have to share this, I guess the representative
Tom emmer in E M M E R from Minnesota
said today on one of the talk shows, said Minnesota
Governor Tim Waltz, of course, running for the vice president
slot with Kamila Harris, said he is like Gavin Newsom
in a flannel shirt. That's just perfect because you're going
(39:29):
to get a lot of Gavin Newsom in Tim Watts.
There you go, let's see. Let's grabe David out of Woodland, Texas. David,
thank you for your patients.
Speaker 10 (39:37):
Go ahead, sir, Yeah, I got a question for you
about off site gun storage. Say, I wanted to store
some of my collection off site to protect it against disasters,
be it natural or man made. Is what are your
thoughts on that and do you have any recommendations on how.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
To do that? Not necessarily bad idea? Yeah, kind of uh,
spreading out your risk. Here's the thought. I mean, there's
a lot of different ways to go about it, but
one that might work if you got a buddy who
lives in a different place. You guys, just swap some guns.
You're keeping some of his, he's keeping some of yours.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Yeah, I could do that with my brother. Actually, there
you go.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think there's your solution right there.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
And I have a suggestion for what you can do
with your three thirty eight out six. Okay, get some
three thirty eight caliber sabos that'll hold a thirty caliber bullet.
Not only you can shoot a thirty caliber bullet out
of your three thirty eight off six.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Ooh ooh, that's intriguing. I had not thought of that
at all. Okay, why not. It's it's goofy. I like it.
I mean, I'm always up for doing goofy stuff as
long as it's safe. I'll try to well. Look, I
appreciate the call. The whole idea of the three thirty
eight out six is goofy in and of itself. You
cannot buy AMO for it. There's no factory Ammo anywhere,
(41:03):
no matter where you go. I mean, if I were smart,
I would just get a thirty out six and you
can buy Ammo for that no matter where you go.
You lose your Ammo, you can just go to the
local store and get it. But now we're going to
do something that's weird and different, and you have to
load your AMMO and then you find out the rifle
isn't actually chambered for the caliber that you told you
were told it was chambered for. It's actually the three
(41:25):
thirty eight out six improved chamber. So somebody ran a
different chamber reamer in this thing. Now, having said all that,
I'm kind of passed the that ticks me off stage
and I'm in the stage of Okay, I now have
the correct reloading dice and we've loaded it up and
I found a loaded shooting We got a three inch
(41:47):
or rather a three shot group that measured about a
half inch with these great big two hudred and twenty
five green acubamb bullets. So not unhappy with that. At
this point. It's going to be my backup rifle in
Elk camp. Two weeks from tomorrow we go into Elk camp,
I'll have the two eighty four as my primary. But
(42:07):
I always think you ought to have an extra rifle
in camp, a backup in case something happens. You fall
on it, slide down the hill and you're not sure
if it's still sided in, or you test it and
it's not sided in. You can't get it going again.
Just got to have another another rifle, right besides, just
an excuse to sit in and get another rifle ready
to go. So there you go. That's the plan right now.
(42:30):
On the after show today, we're gonna have our buddy,
I'll go Ted Ted Nugent's gonna drop in here and
we appreciate him helping us out and fill it in.
You do not want to miss that. To catch the
after show, you get it anyway. You can get podcasts,
you can listen to it on Spotify if you have
that as well. You listen to gun Talk a lot
of different ways out there. Just Google up or use
(42:51):
your search engine for gun talk. In the meantime, I'm
just gonna throw this out again. This election is truly
for all the marbles. I'm not sure it's recoverable, honestly,
a lot of different lettle seconmendments, certainly, but the invasion border.
They're not just letting people in, they're bringing them in.
They're flying into different parts of the country and inserting
(43:11):
them into small towns. There's something very weird, wicked that's
going on here. This was for all the marbles and
do whatever it takes to talk to your friends and
get them out to votes that important. So there you go,
do a little shooting, take somebody to the range and
bite somebody to go with. You'd be safe to watch
out at those public ranges. Let's see you next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Here we're still doing this talk about guns because well
just gun talk, that's what we do here. I'm Tom
Gresham and glad that you could be with us. If
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of a out there And this week coming up in
just about an hour, we're gonna have a surprise guest
on the after show. We don't used to have guests
on the after show, but we're gonna kick jim Off.
We're gonna put in I'll give it away. We're gonna
put in uncle Ted. This is gonna be way too
much fun, so we gotta check that out. You know,
(01:20):
I've been talking about working up this three thirty eight
odds six now improved, and having to get new sets
of dies and everything else. I've been deep into this.
I thought, well, who better to have come in and
talked to us about handloading, reloading, why do it and
everything else than every buddy Gavin Gear He is Ultimate
Reloading is the website and his YouTube video site. It's
amazing all the stuff Gavin that you do. But I
(01:42):
want to hear what have you been riding? Because you're
a motorcycle dude. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Hey, Tom, it's so good to talk to you again.
And everybody else on the gun Talk Network. We funny.
Ultimate Reloader team was just on a ride moments ago today.
It was the KTM ten ninety Adventure. I was on
Guy was on his v Strom six fifty and Tyler
our camera. Guy was on his KLR six fifty riding
(02:10):
up in the mountains around uld Sprint Reloader. It was
a great time.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, Jim our producers drooling, He said, I've only gotten
like five hundred miles this year. He's his summer's been
so busy. He hadn't been riding much. So we're gonna
have to get Jim out there and maybe maybe you
can get him reacquainted with what motorcycles are all about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Sounds like a good plan.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right. So how do you go from being a
tech wizard in the tech world to doing everything you're
doing with Ultimate Reloader?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, it was a matter of necessity. Really, it was
a practical endeavor at first. Basically I did a lot
of hiking. I knew I needed a forty four magnum
so that I feel more confident if I spooked a
mama cub and her little babies, you know. So I
bought a forty four magnum, and I started to go
to the gun range, indoor gun range in town and
(03:04):
discovered I really liked it. Started going every week, and
then I thought to myself, if you can believe it,
at the time, forty four magnum mag tech, I want
to say, AMMO was about eighteen to twenty dollars a
box of fifty, which is smart as a fantasy anymore,
right right, right, At the time, it was expensive, and
so I thought, well, what would it cost me to
(03:27):
reload Ammo. Pretty soon I had a Lee Pro one
thousand and was loading AMMO and was shooting weekly, and
so I shot two or three boxes of AMMO instead
of one.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And see that's how it starts, right, You think, well,
I'll just get into this to save a little money.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And you know I even stole my wife's London Pledge
furniture polish and used that for case loube I was
on an extreme budget. You know, two young kids, you know,
they were just five and seven I think at the time.
And so you know, I started that reloading journey with
the Pro one thousand, but it didn't take long and
I decided I needed to do a better machine. That's
(04:06):
exactly how a mechanical engineer would think, you know. So
I set out to buy a five station progressive reloader,
and I quickly discovered this is just as complicated as
buying into a phone system or into a camera system.
You know, you buy a camera and you got different
sensor sizes, different ones is, you know, different investifications, and
(04:29):
you know one can be in total agony, you know,
analysis paralysis for the for the consumer, and so I
eventually decided on the quantity lock and load AP and
after doing that, I thought, well, maybe I should make
some resources available for those that want to purchase these
complicated progressive reloading machines. And so I set out to
(04:52):
make videos of each of the five station progressive reloaders
on the market at the time. And I thought, where
am I going to put these? Well, are not YouTube.
And that was back in two thousand and seven, two
thousand and eight, that kind of timeframe when I was
just starting to upload content right very early, it was
more or less the Wildwest. Stake your claims, start making content,
(05:13):
and you it's yours, you know, And I've just never
stopped since then.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And I'm just going to say, go fast forward. I mean,
now you've got this massive YouTube presence, Ultimate reloader dot Com,
you're making rifles, you're designing stuff, you got this incredible
shop up in the hills and in a beautiful place,
and it just it all started with well, reloading makes sense.
(05:37):
I could probably save a few Nichols doing that. I
can't tell you, Gavin, I know you heard from everybody else.
That's how we all got started, Just like oh, We'll say,
have a little money, and then you look around and
go where did all these presses come from?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Right? Pretty soon it becomes an obsession, right, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It can become its own hobby, and I'd want to
make people underst That's a good thing because it is
a fun hobby in and of itself. Is loading Amo,
particularly metallic we're talking metallic mostly here, of creating loads
that simply cannot be done otherwise. I mean, I can't
go to a store and buy Ammo for a three
(06:15):
thirty eight six actually improved, thank god. So it gives
me a chance to go tinker.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Absolutely, make it your own, make it work for you,
you know, doing load development and getting getting your standard
deviation on your velocity down to below ten ft per
second and achieving long term goals that would be nearly
impossible sometimes with factory Ammo, you know, to great crests.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Really all right, here's a question for you. There was
a time before we were doing a lot of long
range shooting where it may not have mattered that much.
If you had an extreme spread of thirty or forty
feet per second in your loads, big deal. But if
you're shipping out of one thousand yards or two thousand yards.
If you have different is in your velocity, you muzz
(07:01):
blost east of fifty feet per second. That is a
big deal, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And with all of the other technology we have available today,
like ballistic solvers that use atmospherics and density, altitude and
laser rangefinders, you have the capability of pinpoint accuracy as
long as your velocity and now the blistic coefficient of
the bullet is consistent. Now that's something that we've just
(07:30):
actually dug into, and really the last week we just
got a hold of one of those pilot program units,
the Veloci radar from Calmwell right, yeah, just brand new. Yeah.
It uses chirp radar and it maps out your blistic
coefficient between zero yards and one hundred yards and very
(07:50):
accurately because it uses it ramps up and ramps down
a radar signal and it does ten of those pairs,
so's the twenty packets of information and a lot higher resolution.
It knows the distance of the bullet. It can calculate
not only the ballistic coefficient, but the consistency of the
ballistic coefficient. And if you have that and a real
(08:12):
accurate average velocity with tight spreads. Now you're able to
you're able to account for a lot more variables like
your current atmospheric's and the effect that your barrel is
imparting on the jacket of the bullet, all of that,
and that really just takes the whole picture of reloading
and it extends it that much further.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, if I may, Gavin, what we're talking about here
is the ballistic coefficient that's listed by the manufacture is
not necessarily a lie, although there have been some lies
put out there by that, but it is one number
that's derived at a specific velocity at a specific range,
and it may not be true for your rig. But
(08:56):
what you're describing this new system from callwell, and we
were just talking about the garment chronograph just not long
ago on the show, and that is fabulous, But this
is like one step further because now you're actually measuring
the vosity not just at one point, but at a
number of points as it goes down range and as
it slows down, it can now calculate what the true
(09:17):
ballistic coefficient of that bullet on that flight is.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, exactly, And that just means that much quicker ability
to get really good data for use in the field,
and one of the things we want to do is
kind of put that to the test. We'll shoot it
one hundred yards, We'll get simplistic coefficient data for our
rifle and that bullet on that day, and then take
the dope that the Caldwell velociraate are can calculate and
(09:45):
then try it out. What's going to happen at thirteen
hundred and sixty yards or what's going to happen at
a thousand yards and see how all those two things
line up. It's like solving a mystery, and we're getting
closer and closer to quick and easy answers.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You are the Sherlock Holmes of reloading, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm constantly learning, and I have access to a lot
of the world's grids, and that's the best part of
the whole thing, really is to be able to talk
to Brian Litz, you know, either on camera at the
shot show or even you know, email him or call him,
and then to talk to other you know, gunsmiths that
are at the top of the game. And I don't
want to have to figure out all this stuff by myself.
(10:28):
I'd rather, you know, learn from the master and hopefully
share that information with other people so that they can
achieve success easily and more quickly.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, and then you take that and you share what
you know with the rest of us. And I got
to wrap it up. I'm going to send people to
Ultimate reloader dot com and also I guess on YouTube
just look for Ultimate Reloader.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Absolutely yep.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And you never know what you guys are up to.
But it did a learning experience and it's just say,
it's a journey. You just start on it and everybody
is at a different place along the path, but you're helping
pull people along. And congratulations to what you're doing. It
is wonderful what you're up to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Thanks so much, Tom.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
All right, you take care, get back on that bike man,
have some fun out there. Gavin Gear from Ultimate Reloader.
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Speaker 2 (13:52):
I have no idea what we were talking about. Jim
and I went off on tangents during break. We're going
all over the place, talk about motorcycles and such. Here's
the story for you in the category of I'm only
one person, what can I do? And look, we've all
had that feeling we say I should do something. Yeah,
(14:13):
I'm only one person? What can I do? Let me
tell you a story. It's actually starts off sad because
we've just learned that Jim Sable has died. He was
the founder of the USA Clay Target League. Let me
tell you a story. In two thousand and one he
had retired, just retired, he decided to get involved. He
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was named the youth programming director at the Plymouth Gun
Club just outside of Minneapolis, and he wanted to get
more young people involved in the student sports. And so
people asked, well, where are you going to go to
do that? He said, Well, in the schools, he says,
that's where the kids are. So the first year Jim
entered a mentoring program at the Honoro schools. He brought
(14:59):
sick students to the club every week to shoot trap
and skip. Six students to the club each week to
shoot trap and skiep. They had a whole bunch of fun.
So does he And then the words started spreading. And
then in two thousand and eight, the Minnesota state high
school clay target Lead started with just three teams and
thirty student athletes. Okay, this year, wait for it, over
(15:27):
fifty two thousand students. Way to go, Jim. Over fifty
two thousand students participated on nearly two thousand school approved
teams nationwide. One guy, I'm only one person. What can
I do? Well? You start? I had a boss he
(15:50):
used to work for. He's crazy as to loon, except
he's a brilliant, one of those guys. But he used
to say something that was interesting to me. He said,
we'd start on a I said, well, you know, how
are we going to do that? What are we gonna do?
How's this going to work? What's the plan? He said,
I don't know, Tom. He says, we just start. We
take a step, and we see where we are, and
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then we take another step and we see where we are.
And I kind of likened it to an image I
have of when you're out hunting and you're slipping along
really slowly, really quietly in the woods, and every time
you take a step, you're in a different place. The
view is different slightly. You can see down a lane,
you can see behind a tree, you can see this way.
(16:34):
And Bob hinting an Alaska magazine. He was a publisher
and the owner, and I was the editor of Alaska Magazine.
He said, we're going to start this project, and I
would always I'm just young, I'm anxious. I wanted to
get things gone on, ready to go. He said, I
don't know, Tom, We're just going to take a step
and see where we are, and then we'll adjust from
there and take another step and see where we are.
But his thing was if you don't start it, you'll
(16:57):
never get anywhere, and if you wait until you know
how it's going to end up, you'll never get started.
And it's an interesting idea of you know, okay, how
are we going to start? I don't know what's it
going to become. I don't know, but maybe I can
take six kids to the range each week and we'll
(17:18):
see what happens, and you end up with fifty two
thousand kids shooting clay targets.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
That is.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Beyond a multiplier effect, because each of those kids talks
to another kid, and then they become an adult and
they're talking to other people. Now. I talked about this
before I created the term. I call it vaccinating people.
If you take them out shooting and they like shooting,
you vaccinate them against the lies. You vaccinate them against
(17:55):
being to a well, guns are bad. Gun people are bad.
Gun people are evil. Oh no, no, I'm one of those.
I like shooting. I like shooting clay targets. I like
shooting skieped and tramp and then maybe you try another
kind of shooting. I don't know. It's one of those things.
I say, Well, I'm only one person, What could I do?
(18:16):
Can you take somebody to the range? Well, the answer
is clearly yes. If you can go to the range,
you can take somebody else. You can invite a friend.
And we've talked about this before, the multiplier effect. What if,
you know, play with the numbers. What if half the
gun owners out there invited somebody to go to the
range and they went. I saw survey recently out recently.
(18:39):
It was some years ago now, actually it was done
by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and they said that
not part of the shooting world, just in the general public.
If you ask women if they would go shooting, half
of them said they would go shooting if they were asked.
(19:01):
Half the women in America said they would go to
the range if they were invited. Don't know what the
number would be with me, and I haven't seen that number,
but that's an amazing number to me. Why aren't they going,
clearly because no one asked them. Part of what happens,
I think, particularly these days of social media and the
(19:27):
anger tainment industry, where you have TV networks that make
billions of dollars out of keeping people angry, you have
social media platforms that are designed to keep you angry.
Being angry is a weird feeling. It actually feels good
(19:47):
in a way psychologically, maybe physically, I don't know, but
being angry makes you feel good and you want to
come back to that, and so that's why you get
fed the stuff you get fed on social media, and
the algorithms work on that. And I love that term
I picked up from somebody I stole it called it's
(20:08):
not the entertainment industry, it's the angertainment industry. You go
all the way back to Jerry Springer, those kind of
shares Mary Povich where they're throwing chairs and people love
to watch it. I've never understood that whole thing. Why
would you want to watch people getting angry and losing
their minds over stuff like that? But people do, and
so they come back to them. Here's the thought for
(20:30):
you kind of connected, not exactly, but it's random. I'm
all over the place right now. I have asked this
question in the past, and I want to repeat it
just because I think of bears repeating, And that is,
how would you know how would you find out if
something that you quote unquote know to be true is
(20:54):
not true? That is, how do you verify that the
things you think are true are actually true. I would
suggest that the only way to find out is to
put them to the test. How would you put your
thoughts your beliefs to the test. You got to go
look at other thoughts and beliefs, You got to try
(21:16):
them out. If you're watching Fox News all the time,
can I suggest you switch over and watch MSNBC and CNN,
not just for a few minutes, but for a while.
And you may say, yeah, those people are crazy and
I don't agree with them, Okay, but start listening. What
are they saying? What are their beliefs about particular areas?
And you may come away with your idea that well,
(21:38):
I'm completely right. I know I'm right. Okay, fine, you
at least put it to the test. But if you don't,
if you just live in your silo, in your bubble,
in your reinforced, algorithmically controlled world, how would you ever know?
I don't know. I think it's worth doing that. It's
an intellectual experiment that you can do, just something up
(22:01):
to play with as you go along here. So question
on the floor is what have you been shooting? Have
you shot an rim fires recently? And if not, why not? Oh?
And I got new suppressors this week.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, let's just keep talking about guns. I'm Tom Gresham
and this is Gun Talk eight six six Talk Gun
or Tom Talk Gun will certainly get you in there.
And also you can check us out. We have videos
we are releasing all the time over on YouTube is
probably the best place to find that. You also can,
of course find our TV shows. We have guns and Gear.
(22:40):
We have Billbox and of course the First Person Defender,
all really really good TV shows produced at the headquarters
down in Louisiana at rains Ready Studios. Our number here,
Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy. Let's see here. Steve called
in out of Omaha, Nebraska. Hey Steve, what you got?
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (23:01):
Tom? So the old West guys had it right right
side arm long gun with the same caliber hell reaction,
and our good friend Mike Venturino god Restisol helped rekindle
a lot of these old flames right right. I've always
tried to do that with my modern farm. And a
few weeks back you had a gentleman from a young
(23:23):
man from Smith and Wesson on talking about carry cop
the M and P two point oh carry cop. Well,
I haven't had one, so I ordered.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It, and it hasn't arrived yet.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
But what has arrived is the Smith and Wesson FPC
folding pistol arm. Well, now I have a side arm
and a long gun, but with compatible legs and the
same caliber.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, so uh for those are the M P
FPC it is. It looks like an M and P pistol,
but it's actually a rifle configuration, a folding stock that
uses the M and P magazine so you can use
the same mags a nine milimeter. Have you shot your
new FPC yet?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I have? I have.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
It is so smooth and of course, you know, nine
mil out of a rifle is even it's not a
you know, an ar, but it's smooth, it's low recoil
and shoots like awesome and with a can holy cap.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's what opten did you put on it?
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Right now? I've just got a peep site with a
with a uh the front side of the light with
a post that you turn on with your phone, and
the rear is a fold.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Up, a flip up peep site.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
I haven't got a red red down on it yet.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But I will. Okay, all right, and you got it
and you but you have shot it. With a can.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Yes, oh my gosh, yeah, it's like a twenty two.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
It is.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
Well, before that it was recoil was pretty low. Anyway,
now it's quiet and the low recoil.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So what's the plan. What are you going to do
with this thing?
Speaker 10 (25:07):
Well, it's a I don't know, a truck guy. I
guess home defense possibly, But it's with the can on it,
it's not as small when you fold it up. Of course,
without it, it's really it holds up and it's kind
of carrying case and that's going to be real convenient
(25:28):
in a type place.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But now I know you haven't shot it with your
optic yet. But I got a question for you because
I was thinking about this as a self defense rig,
and one of the things I thought of is, you
know we always talk about, you know too to the body.
One of the chest or started the body question for you.
Because of the extra accuracy and the ability to shoot
more accurately with a long gun, how would you feel
(25:52):
if faced with the need to go to headshots immediately
with this rig?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, my eyesight, you know, I'm just my reflections aren't
as good and all the other old people's stuff. But
on my other firearms. I not only have a red dot,
but I have a laser. So if in a tight
spot and you draw and all you do is drop
(26:20):
your elbow and that risk comes up, you're still not
you're not even a tigh ready yet, but the laser
is on target. I want to put a laser combo
on this gun, a light laser, red dot, and that
way you've got, you know, two options, laser or the
(26:45):
red dot, and of course they'll you know, about thirty
feet or thirty yards, whatever you want. You can co
witness on my release that the axis cross about that
far out. But because they're not going to be exact,
but you can use either in a tight spot.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So there's another factor here. I want to want to
mention to people that they may not have thought up.
This is a nine milimeter It looks like an M
and P pistol, but you've got a sixteen inch barrel
and what that's going to give you is considerably more
velocity out of your nine milimeter than you have out
of your pistol.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Correct, Yes, and I do I do.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Critical duty instead of critical defense? Well, no, I take
the back. Critical duty is what I carry on. I'm
outside critical defense is what I have on my inside
the house guards because I don't want to go through
the walls. I want to, but when I'm out, I
want to be able to go through glass in doors
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yep, yep, do whatever. You may be overthinking of, but
maybe not. At least you're thinking about it, and that's
not a bad thing. Look, this is a great range report.
I appreciate the M and p FPC series available in
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(28:02):
Thanks to the call. I appreciate that if you're on hold,
don't go anywhere. We're going to get to you. I'm
gonna take the break early that we will have more
time on the backside. More callers. If you want to
join us, can we holler Tom talk gun is the number.
Be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (30:38):
All right, let's go straight to the phones line. Five
days with us out of port. You're on Michigan Dave.
You're on gun Talk. How can we help you today?
Speaker 9 (30:47):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Tom? How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Great?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I am two handguns. I've picked up a couple used
all Smithland Watson MMP nine and then I've got the
Springfield Armory XT nine and I also picked up XD forty.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
But I like to say, like I say, I'm new
to all handguns, and I hear you talking about dry firing,
and I'm trying to understand. I know you do it
without any m on the gun and it helps muzzle controls.
That what I'm understanding.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
All right, let me explain what why we dry fire?
First of all, because your new two guns or new handguns,
I want to emphasize no ammunition in the room. And
no amo in the room where you're dry firing. That
way you can't possibly make a mistake and have am
win a gun. The goal of dry firing is pretty simple.
You we're working on trigger control because the trigger is
(31:59):
in line percent of accuracy. It's not aiming, it's the trigger.
And so what you're trying to do is you aim
at a spot with sites and you press the trigger,
and you want to keep the sites on the target
whatever it is you're aiming at until after the trigger
has been pulled and it goes click, and you continue
(32:20):
to hold that site picture so that after the shot
you're still on target. And so you do that over
and over, and you're working on a good smooth trigger
press that doesn't disturb the sites even with follow through,
even after the shot, you're still aiming in That's what
you're looking for, because that is why people miss almost entirely.
(32:42):
It's just terrible trigger control.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Okay, okay, and do anybody in my area for good training?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't, but I don't live in Michigan. But I'll
tell you what. If you will, just check around. There
are going to be places that have their shooting ranges.
Call them and say do you have classes or do
you have an instructor who can do one on one
class with me? Tell them give them me a good
honest assessment of where you are. I'm brand new to
this and I've got these pistols, and there will be
(33:18):
a range that says, oh, we do classes or we
have an instructor, we can hook you up. It's going
to be so easy. You're going to be amazed that
you're even worried about it at all.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Okay, I appreciate your timetime. And can I encourage everybody
to get out involved? It's important.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Absolutely. Oh and by the way, Michelle sends me a
note here she says local stores are a good source,
but also call the local sheriff's department. They will actually
have an idea of where you can go for training
as well.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Okay, I appreciate it. We'sh I was a little closer
to Alita. I go down and see Michelle.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, that road trip is not a bad idea either,
So Dave, I appreciate the call. Let me grab Joe
in Eerie, Kansas. Hey, Joe, you're on gun Talk. What
are you thinking?
Speaker 9 (34:05):
Yeah, we the people whom Kamla would subject to social
evaluation to the Night Constitutional Rights to oh, Donald Trump
a debt of gratitude for what he did in twenty
seventeen by overturning Barack Obama's executive.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Order, Oh, the one on Social Security. Yes, yes, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
If you've look, there have been a lot of these
executive orders. Of course, Biden just signed executive orders two
days ago with more gun restrictions and putting restrictions on
handmade or homemade guns. They call them ghost guns. I
(34:45):
think that's going to get crushed in the court rapidly.
Those lawsuits are already underway. But this is part of
this campaign idea of we're going to show people we're
tough on guns. Asked. This weird part is at the
same time that Kamala Harris is pretending to be a
gun owner and some kind of John wickish person, where
(35:07):
she says, you know, if someone breaks into my home,
they're going to get shot. I don't think so, unless
it's a secret service or somebody. But no, you're right.
Look and look, I appreciate your call. I want to
make this point. I've made it before, I want to
make it again. It's this important. People are voting right now,
Early voting is underway. You may not like Donald Trump
(35:27):
on some issues. Heck, I don't like Donald Trump on
some issues, but I have figured out that gun rights
in the Second Amendment is my personal litmus test. If
you don't trust people to have their own guns and
you don't trust people to be able to protect themselves,
that I don't think I trust you as a politician.
(35:48):
I am able to put aside the other stuff and say, look,
I know I'm not going to get everything I want
in a candidate. Never has happens, never going to happen.
People are human. So Donald Trump is not perfect, but
perfect is really not. On the ballot, we get one
or the other. And I'm okay saying, all right, I
(36:08):
would simply disagree with him. I'll agree to disagree with
him on some things. Or I wish he wouldn't present
himself the way he does sometimes. Okay, fine, not a
big deal. And I certainly don't mind mean tweets. I
don't care. All I care really about is policy, and
when it comes to Second Amendment policy, he's generally been
very good. He's not perfect, definitely not, but generally we're
(36:32):
going to get a lot better treatment for protection of
the Second Amendment. Under Donald Trump, we certainly are going
to get better judges and justices. And it was his
three appointments for nominations to the Supreme Court that made
the difference in the Brewin decision. Huge. Huge. We get two,
(36:55):
maybe even three more justices out of the next four
years that are strong on the Constitution and support the
Bill of Rights, then we have a twenty or thirty
year impact there. The flip side of that is if
it goes the other way, they're going to be working
really hard to overturn Heller and McDonald and Bruin and
(37:18):
put back in the gun band and the gun confiscations
that they want. For me, it's easy, not simple. Okay,
simple is not the same as easy. Simple means there's
nothing to think about it. There's a lot of things
to think about. But when I look at it and
analyze it, I just don't have any trouble coming to
(37:40):
the conclusion that for me, for gun rights, for the
Second Amendment, and I would add for the border and
for a lot of other things, and for the economy
and for not being able to afford groceries, and the
fact that there are a lot of women and moms
out there that can't send their daughters to dance class
because they can barely afford the food. These days, there's
a lot of that going on. That choice is simple.
(38:03):
So we cannot we being gun owners, we cannot sit
this one out. And more than that, it's time to
be a pain in the rear of your friends to
call them and bug them. Are you registered to vote?
Let's make sure, let's check well I think I am. Well,
that's not good enough. I haven't voted in a long time.
Then you probably got you may have gotten wiped off
(38:24):
the rolls. We've got to get you back on. And
now we've got to get you to vote. And early
voting is actually very convenient and it says smart thing
to do. You never know what may come up on
election day and you're not able to get to the polls.
And don't tell me it doesn't matter I live in
California or I live in Texas. It matters. It matters
to the country. It also matters to you and your
image of who you are. You a person who actually
(38:46):
takes the time to do your constitutional duty, your patriotic
duty to vote. You're not one of those people just
shrugs it off. Are you I didn't think so. Hey,
I'm Tom Gresh would be right back with gun talk.
(39:07):
I just have to share this, I guess the representative
Tom emmer in E M M E R from Minnesota
said today on one of the talk shows, said Minnesota
Governor Tim Waltz, of course, running for the vice president
slot with Kamila Harris, said he is like Gavin Newsom
in a flannel shirt. That's just perfect because you're going
(39:29):
to get a lot of Gavin Newsom in Tim Watts.
There you go, let's see. Let's grabe David out of Woodland, Texas. David,
thank you for your patients.
Speaker 10 (39:37):
Go ahead, sir, Yeah, I got a question for you
about off site gun storage. Say, I wanted to store
some of my collection off site to protect it against disasters,
be it natural or man made. Is what are your
thoughts on that and do you have any recommendations on how.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
To do that? Not necessarily bad idea? Yeah, kind of uh,
spreading out your risk. Here's the thought. I mean, there's
a lot of different ways to go about it, but
one that might work if you got a buddy who
lives in a different place. You guys, just swap some guns.
You're keeping some of his, he's keeping some of yours.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Yeah, I could do that with my brother. Actually, there
you go.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think there's your solution right there.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
And I have a suggestion for what you can do
with your three thirty eight out six. Okay, get some
three thirty eight caliber sabos that'll hold a thirty caliber bullet.
Not only you can shoot a thirty caliber bullet out
of your three thirty eight off six.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Ooh ooh, that's intriguing. I had not thought of that
at all. Okay, why not. It's it's goofy. I like it.
I mean, I'm always up for doing goofy stuff as
long as it's safe. I'll try to well. Look, I
appreciate the call. The whole idea of the three thirty
eight out six is goofy in and of itself. You
cannot buy AMO for it. There's no factory Ammo anywhere,
(41:03):
no matter where you go. I mean, if I were smart,
I would just get a thirty out six and you
can buy Ammo for that no matter where you go.
You lose your Ammo, you can just go to the
local store and get it. But now we're going to
do something that's weird and different, and you have to
load your AMMO and then you find out the rifle
isn't actually chambered for the caliber that you told you
were told it was chambered for. It's actually the three
(41:25):
thirty eight out six improved chamber. So somebody ran a
different chamber reamer in this thing. Now, having said all that,
I'm kind of passed the that ticks me off stage
and I'm in the stage of Okay, I now have
the correct reloading dice and we've loaded it up and
I found a loaded shooting We got a three inch
(41:47):
or rather a three shot group that measured about a
half inch with these great big two hudred and twenty
five green acubamb bullets. So not unhappy with that. At
this point. It's going to be my backup rifle in
Elk camp. Two weeks from tomorrow we go into Elk camp,
I'll have the two eighty four as my primary. But
(42:07):
I always think you ought to have an extra rifle
in camp, a backup in case something happens. You fall
on it, slide down the hill and you're not sure
if it's still sided in, or you test it and
it's not sided in. You can't get it going again.
Just got to have another another rifle, right besides, just
an excuse to sit in and get another rifle ready
to go. So there you go. That's the plan right now.
(42:30):
On the after show today, we're gonna have our buddy,
I'll go Ted Ted Nugent's gonna drop in here and
we appreciate him helping us out and fill it in.
You do not want to miss that. To catch the
after show, you get it anyway. You can get podcasts,
you can listen to it on Spotify if you have
that as well. You listen to gun Talk a lot
of different ways out there. Just Google up or use
(42:51):
your search engine for gun talk. In the meantime, I'm
just gonna throw this out again. This election is truly
for all the marbles. I'm not sure it's recoverable, honestly,
a lot of different lettle seconmendments, certainly, but the invasion border.
They're not just letting people in, they're bringing them in.
They're flying into different parts of the country and inserting
(43:11):
them into small towns. There's something very weird, wicked that's
going on here. This was for all the marbles and
do whatever it takes to talk to your friends and
get them out to votes that important. So there you go,
do a little shooting, take somebody to the range and
bite somebody to go with. You'd be safe to watch
out at those public ranges. Let's see you next week.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.