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-- The U.S. Supreme Court will hear a case about "ghost guns" this week.
-- Do people ignore "gun free" signs?
-- What gun should you get for protection from bears?
Gun Talk 10.06.24 Hour 1
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-- The U.S. Supreme Court will hear a case about "ghost guns" this week.
-- Do people ignore "gun free" signs?
-- What gun should you get for protection from bears?
Gun Talk 10.06.24 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well subtle in because we have a lot to talk
about today. Hey, I'm Tom Gresham and I am your host.
You have landed at gun Talk. That's what we do here,
We talk about guns. I've been doing this for right
on thirty years just about there now. Unbelievable. When we
started this thing thirty years ago, people didn't quite understand
(00:35):
what it was all about. I said, we're going to
talk about guns and shooting and the Second Amendment and
gun rights. Says no, it's hunting show. No what kind
of so?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yuh? Not really no, Because there were a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of hunting shows out there, nobody had to show about guns,
and certainly nobody had to show about the Second Amendment
and gun rights. It was a little bit harder to
describe and to explain to people. But now we have
so many shows that have come along and that's a
great thing. And of course this was way before podcasts,
and now we have thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe a
(01:05):
podcast that touch on or even cover exclusively guns and
gun rights. That's a wonderful thing, spreading the message, getting
that word out there. It's been fun and it continues
to be fun, and you can be a part of that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's really easy. All you have to do is give
us a caller.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We could talk about pretty much anything you want to
talk about. We're going to be open lines for a
lot of the show today. I have kind of cleared
the decks. There are a great number of things we're
talking about, whether it's getting ready for hunting season, going
out and doing some shooting, buying new guns, going to
shooting classes, because I know that a lot of people
(01:41):
are doing that these days, many many more people are
getting training than ever before. An awful lot of people
are buying guns for self protection. And while I encourage
that if it works for you in your particular situation,
you know that I encourage you also to get training.
I mean, let me go back. Training is not practice.
(02:03):
Practicing is not training. Practice is going to the range
and shooting, and that's a good thing. But if you
don't have any training, if you've never taken a class,
you don't know what to work on, you don't know
how to make yourself better. You don't even know what's
expected of you. You don't even know what's out there.
You have to go take a class or multiple classes.
(02:24):
So when I say training, I'm really talking about classes.
And it could be a half day class, a familiarization
class with guns, it can be a whole day class,
it can be a five day class. And yeah, I've
taken a lot of five day classes through the years.
They're amazing. But honestly, a two day class can be
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terrific and can put you on the path toward becoming
a knowledgeable, safe, responsible shooter, somebody who knows how to
handle your gun, how to load your gun, how to
shoot your gun, store your gun, how to wear your gun,
if you're going to wear a gun for self protection,
when you can, when you can't, when you should, when
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you shouldn't, draw your gun, how to avoid a situation,
which may be the more important skill in all of this. Honestly,
getting out of a situation without having to pull your
gun out would be a really good thing. And part
of that is how do you talk to people?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I remember Clint Smith at thunder Ranch. He stresses us
a lot. He talks about using your voice talking to people,
whether it's you know, just having a conversation or issuing
verbal commands on what to do to get out of
my house, to get away from me, that type of thing.
Clint puts it a great way, of course, Clint always
(03:47):
has a great way of putting things. He says, you know,
we're going to talk to a lot more people than
we're going to shoot, so you're probably ought to work
on your talking skills as much as you work on
your shooting skills. That's a pretty good outlook on it.
I like that approach. So the question is, you know,
do you take training? Have you gone to some training.
(04:08):
We just finished up a class down at Rainsbady Studios
this weekend and they had the folks from Cult in there,
and they had the Python experience that instructors that can
be in guest instructors teaching revolvers in how to shoot them,
how to load them, what to do with them, how
to use them for self protection. And I'm sure there
are people thinking revolvers really like is this like buggy
(04:31):
whips and wagons. No, revolvers are still very good tools
and fun to use. I call them the stick shift
of handguns. If you will. Your semi autos are your
automatic transmission and your revolver is your stick shift, and
it's a lot of fun to use, and they have
certain benefits that are worthwhile, so I mean just it's worthwhile.
(04:55):
So if we have somebody who went to the experience
or the Cult Python experience at Range Ready and they
would like to give us a range report, of course
we'd love to get that as well. So last night
in our little bittytown, and I do mean little bittytown,
we have one movie theater and it has one screen
and they show one showing per night, so you got
(05:18):
your seven o'clock showing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
They're gonna run it one time and they only do
that on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Although this weekend they
didn't do the Friday and they weren't going to do
the Sunday, but they've decided to run the show again
this Sunday tonight because this weekend they had Reagan the movie,
the movie about Ronald Reagan, and I've been looking forward
to seeing that, so we went last night. I would
(05:41):
love to get your take on it. If you've seen it,
what did you think it was interesting? I think First
of all, I liked it. I thought it was very
well done. You know, is it a great movie in
the pantheon of Oscar type. Now, it's not gonna win
any awards, but I thought it was really good In
the way they presented it. Quade just tore up that part.
(06:02):
He did a great job portraying Ronald Reagan, and it
was told in a different way through the eyes of
the Soviets.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm not giving away anything.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
With that of how they viewed Ronald Reagan and tracked
his ascendancy to the presidency.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
One of the things that was interesting to me at
the end of the movie, and it was, I would say,
three quarterfoll in our little Roxy Theater. It's kind of
an art deco theater, that movie theater. With the exception
of two younger people, maybe in their twenties, who got
up and left at the end of the movie, everybody
(06:46):
else stayed seated and they were sitting through the credits. Now,
to be fair, they were running video of Ronald Reagan,
the real Ronald Reagan, and pointing out some of the
pieces of history there. And it was very interesting. But
I cannot remember ever sitting in a movie theater and
(07:07):
having everybody, almost everybody sit through the end of the credits.
So it was very well done. I would recommend it
if you have an interest in it. Obviously, if you
hate Trump or you hate Reagan, you're not gonna like
the movie. But there were a lot of similarities between
the Ronald Reagan ascendency and the Trump ascendency. You have
(07:29):
somebody who was not in politics, Reagan until he decided
to run for governor, and obviously Trump's case until he
decided to run for president. So that was pretty interesting
in and of itself. So you know your thoughts on that.
If you've seen the movie, you'd love to hear more
about that as well. Our number year is eight six
six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. If you would
(07:50):
like to join us, by all means, we are open lines.
I also want to touch on some things that are
going on. We have a big, big Supreme Court case
going to be argued in two days. Also, the Supreme
Court just agree to hear another gun case during this session.
Things are happening and I think we're going to be
(08:11):
winning big, so I want to fill you in on that.
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I do want to give out a shout out to
my brethren, the men and women working for the Operation
Air Drop volunteer program. They've been in there in the
Carolinas after Hurricane Helene, flying in goods when no other way,
there's no other way to get them in there. Man.
And these are people, I mean, I've flown submissions for
(11:03):
Operation Are Drop pilots who have their own planes, fly
their own planes at their own expense, paying for their
own fuel, all volunteer effort and flying it in and
then in this case they had to go to certain
airports and then from there it had to get helicoptered
in because the roads were out, as you well know.
(11:25):
But I went over just yesterday and I made a
because I couldn't get there for this one.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was a little bit too far.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
When I lived in the southeast, I could go in
after hurricanes and help, and now that I'm out west,
it's just too far. So I made a dollar contribution.
Put in some money, and you go to Operation air
Drop on the web. You could find that they did
really good work, so as did so many others. And know,
waiting for the government is probably not a great plan.
(11:54):
I mean there will be government programs. And yes, FEVA
did spend unbelievabout of money on illegal aliens, bringing people
in the country, taking care of them illegally. The people
came in illegally, taking care of them, spending hundreds of
millions of dollars. Then they say, oh, we're out of money.
And now they're saying, well, you don't understand how it works.
That's in one pot and this is a different pot
of money.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And it really the.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Two no no, no, no, no no go look up
the word fungible. Money is fungible. It can be mixed,
it can be moved, it can be taken from one
pot and put it into another pot. You spent hundreds
of millions of dollars taking care of people who illegally
(12:36):
entered our country, and now we have American citizens. You're saying, well,
we don't have enough money to take care of you.
I'm sorry, you don't get away with the whole that
was a different pot of money, and you really don't understand,
and you're spreading miss and for emotion. Really misinformation, of
(12:58):
course is the new term for we don't want you
to say that, we don't want you to expose our lies.
We don't want you to have a different viewpoint from
the official word, the official line, the agenda on this
and disinformation and misinformation. And you know, it's one of
the things that I'm glad that Jade Vance brought this
(13:19):
up during the debate. I think that may be the
most dangerous aspect of what the Democrats are doing right now.
You take everything else and put it aside. I think
their program of shutting down dissent, of censoring people, deplatforming them,
of getting Facebook and other social media platforms to shut
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down accounts, to throttle accounts, to shadow banning people when
they say things that the government doesn't want them to say.
And now, of course we're finding out that the government
under Joe Biden was contacting to and Facebook and Instagram
and pointing out accounts that they should shut down because
(14:06):
people are speaking in ways that the government really didn't
want them to speak. They were saying things like, oh, gee,
hunter Biden's laptop, which we now know to be true.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Wasn't that conspiracy theory? Oh yes?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And vaccine problems with the COVID vaccine, which we now
know were true, and on and on and on. You know, honestly,
democracy does really well when you air a lot of
different opinions and people say, well, that's misinformation. Now it's
just somebody else's opinion, even and people well, and JD.
(14:44):
Van said, well, you know, hate speech is not protected speech.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Don't you know anything about the Constitution. Of course, hate
speech is protected. That's the very essence of the First Amendment.
As long as you're not advocating violence against somebody. You
can say nasty things about people. I can say nasty
things about the government that kind of speech is absolutely
(15:10):
protected by the First Amendment. That is the essence of it.
Holy cow, JD. Vance, what do you say. I'm I'm
good friends with school shooters. I mean, I understand that
it was a slip of the tongue, but oh, it
was Walts.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm sorry. Yeah, what, thank you? It wasn't jd As Walts.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm seeing Walts in my mind, and I said jd
As walt said that I thought JD. Vance just blew
him out of the water, and Walts was an idiot.
I'm sorry, just an idiot. He looked like a deer
caught in headlights, Waltz did, and Vance looked like a
future president of the United States. So there you go.
(15:51):
Thank you, Jim. Appreciate that correction. All right, here's what's
going on right now. In two days, the Supreme Court
is going to hear the case on so called ghost guns.
It's the Garland v. Vanderstock case, to be argued in
two days on Tuesday before the United States Supreme Court.
(16:14):
This is the case where again remember the bump stock
case where the ATF decided to create its own definitions
and make up laws. Same thing here where the ATF
is said well, those are not guns. But now we're
going to declare them to be guns so we can
regulate them. So we're gonna say that gun parts kits
or unfinished receivers, even though they're not guns and they're
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not receivers, we're going to declare them to be guns.
Even the Congress never voted it that way. Actually Congress
voted on what the definition of a gun is. It's
very specific in law. But ATF says, yeah, but we
don't really like that, so we're going to change that.
And we're gonna basically just put out a rule that
(16:58):
no one ever voted for, and if you violate it,
you can go to prison. Well, once again, they are
going to get slapped upside the head, as we like
to say. I can guarantee you the government's going down
on this one. ATF is going to crash and burn
on this one. You could actually we could hear the
(17:18):
arguments on Tuesday. The US Supreme Court has a website
and you can click on that you could hear the arguments.
I think it's going to be eleven a m. Eastern time.
It's called the Garland v. Vander Stock case, and it's
one of only several cases. I think we're going to
be watching the Supreme Court take They just also announced
(17:41):
they are going to grant circiori or grant they're going
to accept the case in the case of Mexico versus
Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What's that all about.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, the country of Mexico issuing Smith and Wesson saying
that Smith and Western are responsible for the crime in
Mexico for cartels, because Smith and Wesson makes guns to
end up in Mexico. Now, they included a bunch of
other gun makers. I think those a bunch of the
others have gotten thrown out by now what this is.
And make no mistake, this has been in my view,
(18:16):
I'm almost certain that this has been orchestrated by the
gun band lobby in the US, the gun control folks,
the organizations founded by well, who knows, maybe a billionaire
go to Mexico and say you should sue to wipe
out the firearms industry in America. Because that's what this is.
This is not a we're going to hold you responsible.
(18:37):
This is a we will destroy you and shut your doors.
You will be out of business lawsuit where Mexico says
you guys are responsible for a cartel crime in Mexico
because you make and sell guns legally in the US,
and the guns you make are highly regulated by the
(18:58):
ATF and the Federal Guns And as soon as you
make them and you ship them, that part's regulated. And
then when it gets to a gun store, that part
is highly regulated. And then when the gun store sells
the gun to an individual, the FBI gets involved on
that and has to okay every single sale. But somehow
(19:22):
Mexico says that Smith and Wesson is supplying the cartels
with guns. What it really is is trying to get
rid of this protection and lawful commerce in arms at
the PLCAA a law that was passed to prevent exactly this,
a lawsuit which would destroy gun making, because that's the goal.
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If they can get the court to say, yes, Smith
and Wesson, you are financially responsible to the tune of
billions and billions of dollars financially responsible to Mexico for
crime committed by drug cartels.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
There.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, Smith, Weston's gone, and so are all the other
gun makers. That is the whole idea behind it. Exactly
what they're up to there. Let's see, Mark, I'm gonna
get you in just a few minutes. There, don't go anywhere.
Just hang in there. The this Smith and Western case,
I'm sure we're going to win that one as well.
(20:23):
What's been interesting to me is reading some of these
stories about this Vanderstock case which is about to be argued,
This one out of Boston University. I love this headline,
Garland v. Vanderstock could open a massive loophole in the
country's gun laws. Actually, what it would do would say
(20:45):
that the ATF has to obey the law. There's no
loophole here. It is the existing law. It's like the
same people who tell you that there's this mythical gun
show loop pole. And I'm always reminding people in the media.
I said, look, you do understand that the laws inside
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a gun show are exactly the same as the laws
outside a gun show. There's no difference in the law.
So when you go into a gun show, nothing changes.
All the laws apply. All the laws that applied before
you walked in their apply. So there is, in fact,
no such thing as a gun show loophole. What does
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exist is the fact that they don't like it that
an individual can sell another individual a gun legally without
the approval of the government without the government being able
to say yes or no. They don't like that private
sale of guns, and so they said, well that takes
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place at gun shows.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yes it does. It also takes place outside of.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Gun show, so it actually has nothing to do with
gun shows. It is yet one more of these terms
that the gun ban lobby has jenda they have created
and the media parents because the media really likes the
idea of government control on the Second Amendment, not so
much on the first, but they do want to clamp
(22:11):
down on our Second Amendment rights. I'm Tom Gresham, eight
six six talk gun, be right back, all right back
with you. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun talk. When
you talk about guns. If you want to be a
part of this, if you have a question, or you
(22:32):
just want to throw a thought out, give me a call.
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Easier that way, Just Tom talk gun. Give me a call.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Question for you.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
A lot of people are carrying guns now, either with
a permit or in places where you don't have to
have a permit. Some of us have been doing a
long time. Some people are fairly new to it. When
you encounter a place that has no gun. What's your procedure,
(23:05):
what's your personal policy?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Now? I say that because.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
There are in some states, in a very state to state,
In some states, a business putting up a no gun
sign has the weight of law. In a lot of states,
that sign has no weight in law whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
In those states.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
One of the places that where it's spelled out that
you can't go, and it might be hospitals, it might
be schools, it might be other things. Those places you
cannot take your gun. But other places you can, whether
or not they put up a sign. So my question
is how do you handle that? What do you do
when you're carrying and you run into a sign that
(23:51):
is optional, let's say? Or do you have a little
bit broader definition of what's optional?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
A number?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Here's eight six six talk gunder Tom talk gun. Let's
see Mark called in out of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Mark. How are you, sir? Welcome to gun talk?
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Tom.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
All over the internet there's talk about SEMA and other
authorities seizing supplies that people were trying to get to
eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina, uh and taking the
stuff to.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Where they want to take it.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
UH.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Maybe most of us should pay attention to that and
pay cash for whatever you're you're getting, you're getting for anything,
for whatever, and don't be telling anybody about it. Well,
we know, maybe if there was a nationwide catast catastrophe,
(24:55):
that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah. Possibly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I mean, look, there there are plenty of lists out there.
If you've brought a gun from a gun store at
any point, you know you're on old list of course,
and they probably had your name and address. So I'm
not particularly worried about that in this case. If FEMA
is taking rescue supplies from individuals or organizations and sidetracking them,
I would have a real problem with that. I have
(25:20):
not seen that. I have seen at least one definite report,
very clear and we know it's true, report of a
sheriff's deputy threatening a man who has a helicopter who's
in there rescuing people with this personal, private helicopter, and
the sheriff is saying, if you continue to pull people
out of there, we're going to arrest you because you
are now interfering with our operations. Now, they didn't have
(25:43):
an helicopter in there, and this guy was actually rescuing people.
He had to leave a woman in there, he took
the husband out, couldn't go back for the wife because
they said, we'll all arrest you if you do that.
There's a problem. So but in terms of what FEMA
is doing or just now showing up, you know, I
saw and I appreciate the call. I saw a great
(26:04):
meme and said, you know, in times of crisis like
Hurricane Colleen, one redneck neighbor is worth more than a
thousand PhDs.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
And boy, hadn't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
A redneck neighbor who has a backo and a you know,
a piece of power equipment and chainsaws and knows how
to do stuff, that's the person you want. You want
people who will just go in there and get it done.
And that's a lot of what's happening is people, individuals
going in her private groups, organizations going in and helping.
(26:37):
It's one of the reasons I making the contribution to
Operation air Drop. But be a picture group, you know.
But I would say, if you're not there and you
can't go help, maybe that's the way to help. You
can find an organization you can get behind. You know,
it's just a case of helping each other, helping fellow
Americans in there. So there you go. Let's go talk
to Jeff and the Grand Oregon on four. Hey Jeff,
(26:59):
you're on gun Top.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Well, hey Tom. A couple of weeks ago, I acquired
a Smith and Wesson Model ten, really nice condition, and
you know they're all thirty eight. My local gun store
doesn't have any thirty eight AMMO, but it has thirty
eight plus P. And I wondered if it was safe
to shoot the plus P AMMO in the Model ten Smith.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I would answer that with a yes, but okay.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And here's how I qualify that is, I would not
give it a steady diet of plus PMO. But if
you wanted to load it with plus PMO for carrying
or for home defense or to use like that, you're
only go to shoot a few times. I think it
would be absolutely fine for going out to the range
and just shooting a bunch. I would find some regular
(27:53):
pressure lower pressure thirty eight special AMMO, and yeah, they
may not have it, but somebody has. You just got
to poke around.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
These days.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Your local store may not have what you're looking for.
You may have to call around if you can't find
it anywhere locally. I would say that go local whenever
you can, and then maybe you have to go online
to find some, but I probably would not feed at
a steady diet of plus PMO.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Okay, well, I appreciate it, Thank you, good you bet.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, revolvers. I like revolvers.
I don't know what it is. I was, uh, when
was it Friday? No? No, no, its earlier in the week.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I went out to do a little flying, and when
I fly, I usually switched from my nine milimeter Semiato
to my forty four Special Revolver.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, why would I do that? Well, it's because of
where I go.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
When I fly, I'm finding into the Idaho back country.
There are creatures there that want to eat you. I
want to chew up on you. And honestly, I would
much rather have my forty four Revolver than a nine
MELII pistol. Not saying nine millimeters not an adequate tool
and might work just fine. Part of it is just
(29:07):
personal preference.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Part of it is.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And look, I acknowledge this, I'm sure because I like revolvers,
I'm looking for an excuse. I'm looking for a reason
to carry a revolver just because I think they're cool.
And to have a revolver, and in this case, this
one is a Smith and Western Model six twenty four.
You'd have to look that up. It is essentially the
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a three inch barrel forty four magnum, but the cylinders
are set up for forty four Special. Is that necessary? No,
of course, it's silly. It's a silly affectation. I get
that you could get the exact same revolver in forty
four magnum and shoot forty four Special AMMO in it,
and that would be the smart thing to do. But
(29:51):
I'm not a smart man. So I get a forty
four Special just because I kind of like the coolness
of it and the skeeter skeleton aspect of it. And
now I can Yeah, that's just me, okay, I mean,
come on, forty four Special to eighty four Winchester, which
I'll be using as my primary gun in a week
for elk hunting. My backup is going to be a
three thirty eight O six. Again, silly, you could have
(30:13):
just gotten a seven mag and done everything with those.
But I like the tinkering, I like the different I
like being able to have cool, interesting guns for me. Honestly,
part a good part of my enjoyment of hunting is
having interesting guns to take out. And I know there
are a lot of people who hunt say I don't care,
just I got this one rifle. I've used it forever
and it does a great job. And that's fine if
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that's what you want to do. I just have a
different viewpoint on it. I have a different angle. I
come in from the side door on this and for me,
going out and hunting with a cool, interesting, different, rare,
quirky gun.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Just adds to the enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yes, I readily admit that makes no sense, and it
makes it more difficult, and it makes it more involved
and I own okay, fair enough, there you go, eight
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Thrown a questioned out earlier.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
If you are a concealed carry person, if you carry
a gun for protection, how do you handle the new
gun signs you run into one at a store? Did
you just ignore it? Do you turn around and go
somewhere other place? Do you talk to the manager?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Curious?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
What's your There's no right or wrong to this, just
wondering how you handle that? Another question for how important
is speed of draw? The appendix carry folks say, well
this is a lot faster. You know, you can actually
do a one second draw and go, yeah you can,
and I can do a probably under two second draw
for my three o'clock position from concealment. Is the difference
(34:18):
in one second important? I mean, yeah, theoretically that could
be a time when it might be, but realistically do
you put any weight on that? And I know that
you've got the super gunnies, and they're just all about
their split times in their draws and in one second
draw and all that. But is it really important or
(34:39):
how do you approach it? Or are we better off
spending some time working on our awareness, situational awareness, having
a plan, knowing what we're going to do. I'm just
curious wondering how that strikes you. Hey, let's graf Kevin.
He's in Billings, Montana line too. Kevin, what you're thinking bears?
Speaker 16 (35:00):
Well, it seems like we're having more encounters than we
certainly ever used to. And I was just wondering what
your opinion was on a compact short shotgun that would
get collapsed, pretty pretty small. You could put it in
your backpack when you're out of the zone, but when
you're in the zone, you've got you can take it
(35:22):
out and have, you know, maybe a chance. You know,
unless you practice a lot with a pistol, I don't
know just how affective you can be under certain conditions
where a shotgun seems like it might be a little
more advantageous.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Okay, Well, first of all, yes, you are correct, we
are having a lot more bear encounters, and we're having
some very serious bear encounters in the part of the
world where you are. Montana and parts of Idaho are
having a lot of encounters with guizlies and people getting
maled or killed. So you are smart to be thinking
about this. Question for you would be what kind of
ammo do you think you would want to use a shotgun?
Speaker 16 (36:00):
Well, it was, you know, maybe some a double lot,
maybe a slug. Maybe some double lot in the last
one would be a slug. If you happen to come
into that, you could make dang, sure you've got it down.
That might be an approach somewhere. Maybe a double lot one,
then a slug, then some more double lot. I don't
know what the combination would be, but something in that range.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Okay, I'm going to make a suggestion. I think you
are overthinking this, and that typically what happens. That's why
I asked the question. People go, oh, shotguns, Well, I
can use different kinds of animals. I'm going to switch
from one ought to double lot to your slug to
this and go, yeah, you might as well throw a
load of salt in there at the same time. Here's
the problem. Some of it may work. Bear may turn around,
(36:44):
and bear may turn around. If you go boot. But
if you want to say, okay, I'm going to have
something that's going to absolutely physically stop the bear, I'm
not sure that there is any shotgun load I would
trust for that, including a slug. The problem is one
of penetration. Typically, you don't get great, you get lousy
penetration with buckshot, I mean terrible, and then you get
(37:08):
mediocre to okay penetration with a slug. If it were me,
I would go with a short barrel lever action in
forty five seventy.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
With a lever action.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, short barreled lever action like a sixteen inch barrel
or eighteen inch barrel lever action rifle with forty five
to seventy with good solid, hard cast lead bullets, or
penetrator loads like the honey Badger from Blackhill's ammunition. Something
that gives you some deep penetration and you're going to
get three or four good shots off with that, and
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that's probably about all you're going to get anyway, in
any situation. I just would feel better having something I
know I could if necessary, and if presented, I would
have a decent chance of getting around right through the
front of a skull on a grizzly, and I don't
think you're going to get that with any shotgun load.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
And that's why I call it, you know, I just.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
You just don't.
Speaker 16 (38:10):
You just don't know. I mean, there's just a lot
of opinion out there.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh good lord.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yes, every time you say bear gun you get lots
of opinions come flooding in. And so I just will
tell you if you were if you did some real
research on it and talk to people who really know
this stuff as opposed to internet experts, I think you're
going to find that they're going to tell you a
rifle that is going to be your best a even
a handgun. Honestly, I would rather have a handgun, a
(38:36):
forty four magnum or a four to fifty four cassule
with hardcasts lead bullets. I'm going to get better penetration
out of that than I would with most shotguns.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Just my take.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Other people may disagree with me, but if you do,
by all means, give me a call.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That's what it's about. We're just having the conversation here.
The numbers eight.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
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(39:13):
Larry's with us out of Dallas on four. Larry, you're
on gun talk. What do you do when you run
into one of those new gun signs.
Speaker 17 (39:21):
Well, Tom, it depends. If it's a federal building or
something like that, I'll observe it, or a school. But
if it's just a restaurant and they have that up there,
I'll just walk on in and eat my dinner, just
like a normally would if I didn't have one, and
they never know.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
The difference is like, I mean, you're going to behave
and you know, as I always say, you know, look,
the only way they're going to know is if I
had to pull it out, And if I have to
pull it out, I don't really care about the rest
of it.
Speaker 17 (39:47):
That is correct, you know, Just be a good citizen.
You won't have a problem with anybody, because all they
want is your dollar bill that's in your back pocket.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And a lot of times, and you know, a lot
of times those signs are put up by the managers
because they were told to put them up by some
lawyer in corporate who said, oh, we'll have a little
bit of liability protection if you put those up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
There's no harm, no foul, and go.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know what, I'm not here to make your liability
world better. I'm here to make myself safer in my family.
So I just don't see your sign anymore.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
That's true.
Speaker 17 (40:23):
Well, we're having a problem now with the State Fair
of Texas. They decided this year that they wouldn't let
citizens come in with their carry license this year, and
it's been in the courts here in Texas, but we
didn't win this one, but it looks like next year
we will. They had a shooting last year at the
State Fair, but the guy who committed defense is a
(40:45):
non criminal. It wasn't a person with a carry license.
So we're being punished for this criminal.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Sure, and Ken Paxton tried to stop it, but that
didn't get anywhere. So yeah, and they're gonna put up
they say they're putting up metal detectors. People will have
to go through. So it's not like you say, well,
I'll just ignore that one. Now you got to go
through the metal detector on that one. So that that
is going to be an ongoing issue and we'll see
what happens because if you read the statutes correctly, they're
(41:14):
not actually, because it is a facility owned by the state,
they're not able to do it. But it's going to
take a court case to make this thing get sorted out.
Speaker 17 (41:25):
That's true. Well, I'll fix that problem. I just didn't
go to the state fair this year.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So hold on to your money and keep yourself safe.
I'm with you because they're not going to protect you
in there. They're just going to tell you can't protect yourself.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's the main thing that is correct.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Sir, Larry, appreciate the calls there. You take care. Let's
see real fast. We're gonna get Tom in here real fast. Tom,
I got one minute for you out of Fargo.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
Bears talk to me, yes, sir, emerginally from Northern Minnesota
and Triple Lot in a single in a shotgun stops bears.
That's black Bears for anyone, and I would definitely do not.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I rarely.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Second, you're saying about a lever action versus a pump,
especially if you got cold weather, you do not want
that thing freezing up on them, so you go on
the lever action. Is it's good all the time? All weather?
And the heaviest load up there at thirty odd six
is out west. You can get a heavy enough load
for grizzly. That's my two cents.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, I appreciate that there are some really good loads
in forty five seventy.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
If you look for specific bear loads black.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Kills, AMMO has the honey badger load, let's the buffalo
Boar has some really heavy and these are heavy loads.
You'd want to use them only in probably in marlins,
and I don't know if the henrys will take that
or not. You'd have to check with them to see
if they'd be okay with that. They're not fun to shoot.
There's an amazing amount of recoil, But if you had
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to shoot a grizzley who's trying to chew your legs off,
you would want all of that and you never feel
the recoil.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So there's that. Selecting the proper AMMO is critical.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
And yes, there's a big difference between a brown bear
or a grizzly and a black bear, and what might
work on a two or three hundred pound black bear
on a six hundred pound grizzly or a twelve hundred
pound brown bear. Whole different thing, So you need to
do your research and make sure you know what. Don't
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discount bear spray. I would have that as well. It's
not a bad idea to have whatever you think might
work out there.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well subtle in because we have a lot to talk
about today. Hey, I'm Tom Gresham and I am your host.
You have landed at gun Talk. That's what we do here,
We talk about guns. I've been doing this for right
on thirty years just about there now. Unbelievable. When we
started this thing thirty years ago, people didn't quite understand
(00:35):
what it was all about. I said, we're going to
talk about guns and shooting and the Second Amendment and
gun rights. Says no, it's hunting show. No what kind
of so?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yuh? Not really no, Because there were a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of hunting shows out there, nobody had to show about guns,
and certainly nobody had to show about the Second Amendment
and gun rights. It was a little bit harder to
describe and to explain to people. But now we have
so many shows that have come along and that's a
great thing. And of course this was way before podcasts,
and now we have thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe a
(01:05):
podcast that touch on or even cover exclusively guns and
gun rights. That's a wonderful thing, spreading the message, getting
that word out there. It's been fun and it continues
to be fun, and you can be a part of that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's really easy. All you have to do is give
us a caller.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We could talk about pretty much anything you want to
talk about. We're going to be open lines for a
lot of the show today. I have kind of cleared
the decks. There are a great number of things we're
talking about, whether it's getting ready for hunting season, going
out and doing some shooting, buying new guns, going to
shooting classes, because I know that a lot of people
(01:41):
are doing that these days, many many more people are
getting training than ever before. An awful lot of people
are buying guns for self protection. And while I encourage
that if it works for you in your particular situation,
you know that I encourage you also to get training.
I mean, let me go back. Training is not practice.
(02:03):
Practicing is not training. Practice is going to the range
and shooting, and that's a good thing. But if you
don't have any training, if you've never taken a class,
you don't know what to work on, you don't know
how to make yourself better. You don't even know what's
expected of you. You don't even know what's out there.
You have to go take a class or multiple classes.
(02:24):
So when I say training, I'm really talking about classes.
And it could be a half day class, a familiarization
class with guns, it can be a whole day class,
it can be a five day class. And yeah, I've
taken a lot of five day classes through the years.
They're amazing. But honestly, a two day class can be
(02:46):
terrific and can put you on the path toward becoming
a knowledgeable, safe, responsible shooter, somebody who knows how to
handle your gun, how to load your gun, how to
shoot your gun, store your gun, how to wear your gun,
if you're going to wear a gun for self protection,
when you can, when you can't, when you should, when
(03:08):
you shouldn't, draw your gun, how to avoid a situation,
which may be the more important skill in all of this. Honestly,
getting out of a situation without having to pull your
gun out would be a really good thing. And part
of that is how do you talk to people?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I remember Clint Smith at thunder Ranch. He stresses us
a lot. He talks about using your voice talking to people,
whether it's you know, just having a conversation or issuing
verbal commands on what to do to get out of
my house, to get away from me, that type of thing.
Clint puts it a great way, of course, Clint always
(03:47):
has a great way of putting things. He says, you know,
we're going to talk to a lot more people than
we're going to shoot, so you're probably ought to work
on your talking skills as much as you work on
your shooting skills. That's a pretty good outlook on it.
I like that approach. So the question is, you know,
do you take training? Have you gone to some training.
(04:08):
We just finished up a class down at Rainsbady Studios
this weekend and they had the folks from Cult in there,
and they had the Python experience that instructors that can
be in guest instructors teaching revolvers in how to shoot them,
how to load them, what to do with them, how
to use them for self protection. And I'm sure there
are people thinking revolvers really like is this like buggy
(04:31):
whips and wagons. No, revolvers are still very good tools
and fun to use. I call them the stick shift
of handguns. If you will. Your semi autos are your
automatic transmission and your revolver is your stick shift, and
it's a lot of fun to use, and they have
certain benefits that are worthwhile, so I mean just it's worthwhile.
(04:55):
So if we have somebody who went to the experience
or the Cult Python experience at Range Ready and they
would like to give us a range report, of course
we'd love to get that as well. So last night
in our little bittytown, and I do mean little bittytown,
we have one movie theater and it has one screen
and they show one showing per night, so you got
(05:18):
your seven o'clock showing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
They're gonna run it one time and they only do
that on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Although this weekend they
didn't do the Friday and they weren't going to do
the Sunday, but they've decided to run the show again
this Sunday tonight because this weekend they had Reagan the movie,
the movie about Ronald Reagan, and I've been looking forward
to seeing that, so we went last night. I would
(05:41):
love to get your take on it. If you've seen it,
what did you think it was interesting? I think First
of all, I liked it. I thought it was very
well done. You know, is it a great movie in
the pantheon of Oscar type. Now, it's not gonna win
any awards, but I thought it was really good In
the way they presented it. Quade just tore up that part.
(06:02):
He did a great job portraying Ronald Reagan, and it
was told in a different way through the eyes of
the Soviets.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm not giving away anything.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
With that of how they viewed Ronald Reagan and tracked
his ascendancy to the presidency.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
One of the things that was interesting to me at
the end of the movie, and it was, I would say,
three quarterfoll in our little Roxy Theater. It's kind of
an art deco theater, that movie theater. With the exception
of two younger people, maybe in their twenties, who got
up and left at the end of the movie, everybody
(06:46):
else stayed seated and they were sitting through the credits. Now,
to be fair, they were running video of Ronald Reagan,
the real Ronald Reagan, and pointing out some of the
pieces of history there. And it was very interesting. But
I cannot remember ever sitting in a movie theater and
(07:07):
having everybody, almost everybody sit through the end of the credits.
So it was very well done. I would recommend it
if you have an interest in it. Obviously, if you
hate Trump or you hate Reagan, you're not gonna like
the movie. But there were a lot of similarities between
the Ronald Reagan ascendency and the Trump ascendency. You have
(07:29):
somebody who was not in politics, Reagan until he decided
to run for governor, and obviously Trump's case until he
decided to run for president. So that was pretty interesting
in and of itself. So you know your thoughts on that.
If you've seen the movie, you'd love to hear more
about that as well. Our number year is eight six
six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. If you would
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like to join us, by all means, we are open lines.
I also want to touch on some things that are
going on. We have a big, big Supreme Court case
going to be argued in two days. Also, the Supreme
Court just agree to hear another gun case during this session.
Things are happening and I think we're going to be
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winning big, so I want to fill you in on that.
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I do want to give out a shout out to
my brethren, the men and women working for the Operation
Air Drop volunteer program. They've been in there in the
Carolinas after Hurricane Helene, flying in goods when no other way,
there's no other way to get them in there. Man.
And these are people, I mean, I've flown submissions for
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Operation Are Drop pilots who have their own planes, fly
their own planes at their own expense, paying for their
own fuel, all volunteer effort and flying it in and
then in this case they had to go to certain
airports and then from there it had to get helicoptered
in because the roads were out, as you well know.
(11:25):
But I went over just yesterday and I made a
because I couldn't get there for this one.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was a little bit too far.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
When I lived in the southeast, I could go in
after hurricanes and help, and now that I'm out west,
it's just too far. So I made a dollar contribution.
Put in some money, and you go to Operation air
Drop on the web. You could find that they did
really good work, so as did so many others. And know,
waiting for the government is probably not a great plan.
(11:54):
I mean there will be government programs. And yes, FEVA
did spend unbelievabout of money on illegal aliens, bringing people
in the country, taking care of them illegally. The people
came in illegally, taking care of them, spending hundreds of
millions of dollars. Then they say, oh, we're out of money.
And now they're saying, well, you don't understand how it works.
That's in one pot and this is a different pot
of money.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And it really the.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Two no no, no, no, no no go look up
the word fungible. Money is fungible. It can be mixed,
it can be moved, it can be taken from one
pot and put it into another pot. You spent hundreds
of millions of dollars taking care of people who illegally
(12:36):
entered our country, and now we have American citizens. You're saying, well,
we don't have enough money to take care of you.
I'm sorry, you don't get away with the whole that
was a different pot of money, and you really don't understand,
and you're spreading miss and for emotion. Really misinformation, of
(12:58):
course is the new term for we don't want you
to say that, we don't want you to expose our lies.
We don't want you to have a different viewpoint from
the official word, the official line, the agenda on this
and disinformation and misinformation. And you know, it's one of
the things that I'm glad that Jade Vance brought this
(13:19):
up during the debate. I think that may be the
most dangerous aspect of what the Democrats are doing right now.
You take everything else and put it aside. I think
their program of shutting down dissent, of censoring people, deplatforming them,
of getting Facebook and other social media platforms to shut
(13:44):
down accounts, to throttle accounts, to shadow banning people when
they say things that the government doesn't want them to say.
And now, of course we're finding out that the government
under Joe Biden was contacting to and Facebook and Instagram
and pointing out accounts that they should shut down because
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people are speaking in ways that the government really didn't
want them to speak. They were saying things like, oh, gee,
hunter Biden's laptop, which we now know to be true.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Wasn't that conspiracy theory? Oh yes?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And vaccine problems with the COVID vaccine, which we now
know were true, and on and on and on. You know, honestly,
democracy does really well when you air a lot of
different opinions and people say, well, that's misinformation. Now it's
just somebody else's opinion, even and people well, and JD.
(14:44):
Van said, well, you know, hate speech is not protected speech.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Don't you know anything about the Constitution. Of course, hate
speech is protected. That's the very essence of the First Amendment.
As long as you're not advocating violence against somebody. You
can say nasty things about people. I can say nasty
things about the government that kind of speech is absolutely
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protected by the First Amendment. That is the essence of it.
Holy cow, JD. Vance, what do you say. I'm I'm
good friends with school shooters. I mean, I understand that
it was a slip of the tongue, but oh, it
was Walts.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm sorry. Yeah, what, thank you? It wasn't jd As Walts.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm seeing Walts in my mind, and I said jd
As walt said that I thought JD. Vance just blew
him out of the water, and Walts was an idiot.
I'm sorry, just an idiot. He looked like a deer
caught in headlights, Waltz did, and Vance looked like a
future president of the United States. So there you go.
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Thank you, Jim. Appreciate that correction. All right, here's what's
going on right now. In two days, the Supreme Court
is going to hear the case on so called ghost guns.
It's the Garland v. Vanderstock case, to be argued in
two days on Tuesday before the United States Supreme Court.
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This is the case where again remember the bump stock
case where the ATF decided to create its own definitions
and make up laws. Same thing here where the ATF
is said well, those are not guns. But now we're
going to declare them to be guns so we can
regulate them. So we're gonna say that gun parts kits
or unfinished receivers, even though they're not guns and they're
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not receivers, we're going to declare them to be guns.
Even the Congress never voted it that way. Actually Congress
voted on what the definition of a gun is. It's
very specific in law. But ATF says, yeah, but we
don't really like that, so we're going to change that.
And we're gonna basically just put out a rule that
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no one ever voted for, and if you violate it,
you can go to prison. Well, once again, they are
going to get slapped upside the head, as we like
to say. I can guarantee you the government's going down
on this one. ATF is going to crash and burn
on this one. You could actually we could hear the
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arguments on Tuesday. The US Supreme Court has a website
and you can click on that you could hear the arguments.
I think it's going to be eleven a m. Eastern time.
It's called the Garland v. Vander Stock case, and it's
one of only several cases. I think we're going to
be watching the Supreme Court take They just also announced
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they are going to grant circiori or grant they're going
to accept the case in the case of Mexico versus
Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What's that all about.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, the country of Mexico issuing Smith and Wesson saying
that Smith and Western are responsible for the crime in
Mexico for cartels, because Smith and Wesson makes guns to
end up in Mexico. Now, they included a bunch of
other gun makers. I think those a bunch of the
others have gotten thrown out by now what this is.
And make no mistake, this has been in my view,
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I'm almost certain that this has been orchestrated by the
gun band lobby in the US, the gun control folks,
the organizations founded by well, who knows, maybe a billionaire
go to Mexico and say you should sue to wipe
out the firearms industry in America. Because that's what this is.
This is not a we're going to hold you responsible.
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This is a we will destroy you and shut your doors.
You will be out of business lawsuit where Mexico says
you guys are responsible for a cartel crime in Mexico
because you make and sell guns legally in the US,
and the guns you make are highly regulated by the
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ATF and the Federal Guns And as soon as you
make them and you ship them, that part's regulated. And
then when it gets to a gun store, that part
is highly regulated. And then when the gun store sells
the gun to an individual, the FBI gets involved on
that and has to okay every single sale. But somehow
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Mexico says that Smith and Wesson is supplying the cartels
with guns. What it really is is trying to get
rid of this protection and lawful commerce in arms at
the PLCAA a law that was passed to prevent exactly this,
a lawsuit which would destroy gun making, because that's the goal.
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If they can get the court to say, yes, Smith
and Wesson, you are financially responsible to the tune of
billions and billions of dollars financially responsible to Mexico for
crime committed by drug cartels.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
There.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, Smith, Weston's gone, and so are all the other
gun makers. That is the whole idea behind it. Exactly
what they're up to there. Let's see, Mark, I'm gonna
get you in just a few minutes. There, don't go anywhere.
Just hang in there. The this Smith and Western case,
I'm sure we're going to win that one as well.
(20:23):
What's been interesting to me is reading some of these
stories about this Vanderstock case which is about to be argued,
This one out of Boston University. I love this headline,
Garland v. Vanderstock could open a massive loophole in the
country's gun laws. Actually, what it would do would say
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that the ATF has to obey the law. There's no
loophole here. It is the existing law. It's like the
same people who tell you that there's this mythical gun
show loop pole. And I'm always reminding people in the media.
I said, look, you do understand that the laws inside
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a gun show are exactly the same as the laws
outside a gun show. There's no difference in the law.
So when you go into a gun show, nothing changes.
All the laws apply. All the laws that applied before
you walked in their apply. So there is, in fact,
no such thing as a gun show loophole. What does
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exist is the fact that they don't like it that
an individual can sell another individual a gun legally without
the approval of the government without the government being able
to say yes or no. They don't like that private
sale of guns, and so they said, well that takes
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place at gun shows.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yes it does. It also takes place outside of.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Gun show, so it actually has nothing to do with
gun shows. It is yet one more of these terms
that the gun ban lobby has jenda they have created
and the media parents because the media really likes the
idea of government control on the Second Amendment, not so
much on the first, but they do want to clamp
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down on our Second Amendment rights. I'm Tom Gresham, eight
six six talk gun, be right back, all right back
with you. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun talk. When
you talk about guns. If you want to be a
part of this, if you have a question, or you
(22:32):
just want to throw a thought out, give me a call.
Eight six y six talk gun or Tom talk gun.
Easier that way, Just Tom talk gun. Give me a call.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Question for you.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
A lot of people are carrying guns now, either with
a permit or in places where you don't have to
have a permit. Some of us have been doing a
long time. Some people are fairly new to it. When
you encounter a place that has no gun. What's your procedure,
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what's your personal policy?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Now? I say that because.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
There are in some states, in a very state to state,
In some states, a business putting up a no gun
sign has the weight of law. In a lot of states,
that sign has no weight in law whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
In those states.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
One of the places that where it's spelled out that
you can't go, and it might be hospitals, it might
be schools, it might be other things. Those places you
cannot take your gun. But other places you can, whether
or not they put up a sign. So my question
is how do you handle that? What do you do
when you're carrying and you run into a sign that
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is optional, let's say? Or do you have a little
bit broader definition of what's optional?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
A number?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Here's eight six six talk gunder Tom talk gun. Let's
see Mark called in out of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Mark. How are you, sir? Welcome to gun talk?
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Tom.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
All over the internet there's talk about SEMA and other
authorities seizing supplies that people were trying to get to
eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina, uh and taking the
stuff to.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Where they want to take it.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
UH.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Maybe most of us should pay attention to that and
pay cash for whatever you're you're getting, you're getting for anything,
for whatever, and don't be telling anybody about it. Well,
we know, maybe if there was a nationwide catast catastrophe,
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that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah. Possibly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I mean, look, there there are plenty of lists out there.
If you've brought a gun from a gun store at
any point, you know you're on old list of course,
and they probably had your name and address. So I'm
not particularly worried about that in this case. If FEMA
is taking rescue supplies from individuals or organizations and sidetracking them,
I would have a real problem with that. I have
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not seen that. I have seen at least one definite report,
very clear and we know it's true, report of a
sheriff's deputy threatening a man who has a helicopter who's
in there rescuing people with this personal, private helicopter, and
the sheriff is saying, if you continue to pull people
out of there, we're going to arrest you because you
are now interfering with our operations. Now, they didn't have
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an helicopter in there, and this guy was actually rescuing people.
He had to leave a woman in there, he took
the husband out, couldn't go back for the wife because
they said, we'll all arrest you if you do that.
There's a problem. So but in terms of what FEMA
is doing or just now showing up, you know, I
saw and I appreciate the call. I saw a great
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meme and said, you know, in times of crisis like
Hurricane Colleen, one redneck neighbor is worth more than a
thousand PhDs.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
And boy, hadn't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
A redneck neighbor who has a backo and a you know,
a piece of power equipment and chainsaws and knows how
to do stuff, that's the person you want. You want
people who will just go in there and get it done.
And that's a lot of what's happening is people, individuals
going in her private groups, organizations going in and helping.
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It's one of the reasons I making the contribution to
Operation air Drop. But be a picture group, you know.
But I would say, if you're not there and you
can't go help, maybe that's the way to help. You
can find an organization you can get behind. You know,
it's just a case of helping each other, helping fellow
Americans in there. So there you go. Let's go talk
to Jeff and the Grand Oregon on four. Hey Jeff,
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you're on gun Top.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Well, hey Tom. A couple of weeks ago, I acquired
a Smith and Wesson Model ten, really nice condition, and
you know they're all thirty eight. My local gun store
doesn't have any thirty eight AMMO, but it has thirty
eight plus P. And I wondered if it was safe
to shoot the plus P AMMO in the Model ten Smith.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I would answer that with a yes, but okay.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And here's how I qualify that is, I would not
give it a steady diet of plus PMO. But if
you wanted to load it with plus PMO for carrying
or for home defense or to use like that, you're
only go to shoot a few times. I think it
would be absolutely fine for going out to the range
and just shooting a bunch. I would find some regular
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pressure lower pressure thirty eight special AMMO, and yeah, they
may not have it, but somebody has. You just got
to poke around.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
These days.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Your local store may not have what you're looking for.
You may have to call around if you can't find
it anywhere locally. I would say that go local whenever
you can, and then maybe you have to go online
to find some, but I probably would not feed at
a steady diet of plus PMO.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Okay, well, I appreciate it, Thank you, good you bet.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, revolvers. I like revolvers.
I don't know what it is. I was, uh, when
was it Friday? No? No, no, its earlier in the week.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I went out to do a little flying, and when
I fly, I usually switched from my nine milimeter Semiato
to my forty four Special Revolver.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, why would I do that? Well, it's because of
where I go.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
When I fly, I'm finding into the Idaho back country.
There are creatures there that want to eat you. I
want to chew up on you. And honestly, I would
much rather have my forty four Revolver than a nine
MELII pistol. Not saying nine millimeters not an adequate tool
and might work just fine. Part of it is just
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personal preference.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Part of it is.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And look, I acknowledge this, I'm sure because I like revolvers,
I'm looking for an excuse. I'm looking for a reason
to carry a revolver just because I think they're cool.
And to have a revolver, and in this case, this
one is a Smith and Western Model six twenty four.
You'd have to look that up. It is essentially the
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a three inch barrel forty four magnum, but the cylinders
are set up for forty four Special. Is that necessary? No,
of course, it's silly. It's a silly affectation. I get
that you could get the exact same revolver in forty
four magnum and shoot forty four Special AMMO in it,
and that would be the smart thing to do. But
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I'm not a smart man. So I get a forty
four Special just because I kind of like the coolness
of it and the skeeter skeleton aspect of it. And
now I can Yeah, that's just me, okay, I mean,
come on, forty four Special to eighty four Winchester, which
I'll be using as my primary gun in a week
for elk hunting. My backup is going to be a
three thirty eight O six. Again, silly, you could have
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just gotten a seven mag and done everything with those.
But I like the tinkering, I like the different I
like being able to have cool, interesting guns for me. Honestly,
part a good part of my enjoyment of hunting is
having interesting guns to take out. And I know there
are a lot of people who hunt say I don't care,
just I got this one rifle. I've used it forever
and it does a great job. And that's fine if
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that's what you want to do. I just have a
different viewpoint on it. I have a different angle. I
come in from the side door on this and for me,
going out and hunting with a cool, interesting, different, rare,
quirky gun.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Just adds to the enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yes, I readily admit that makes no sense, and it
makes it more difficult, and it makes it more involved
and I own okay, fair enough, there you go, eight
six ' six talk gun. What's on your mind? Gun wise?
As we say, I'm Tom Gresham be right back.
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
Thrown a questioned out earlier.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
If you are a concealed carry person, if you carry
a gun for protection, how do you handle the new
gun signs you run into one at a store? Did
you just ignore it? Do you turn around and go
somewhere other place? Do you talk to the manager?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Curious?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
What's your There's no right or wrong to this, just
wondering how you handle that? Another question for how important
is speed of draw? The appendix carry folks say, well
this is a lot faster. You know, you can actually
do a one second draw and go, yeah you can,
and I can do a probably under two second draw
for my three o'clock position from concealment. Is the difference
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in one second important? I mean, yeah, theoretically that could
be a time when it might be, but realistically do
you put any weight on that? And I know that
you've got the super gunnies, and they're just all about
their split times in their draws and in one second
draw and all that. But is it really important or
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how do you approach it? Or are we better off
spending some time working on our awareness, situational awareness, having
a plan, knowing what we're going to do. I'm just
curious wondering how that strikes you. Hey, let's graf Kevin.
He's in Billings, Montana line too. Kevin, what you're thinking bears?
Speaker 16 (35:00):
Well, it seems like we're having more encounters than we
certainly ever used to. And I was just wondering what
your opinion was on a compact short shotgun that would
get collapsed, pretty pretty small. You could put it in
your backpack when you're out of the zone, but when
you're in the zone, you've got you can take it
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out and have, you know, maybe a chance. You know,
unless you practice a lot with a pistol, I don't
know just how affective you can be under certain conditions
where a shotgun seems like it might be a little
more advantageous.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Okay, Well, first of all, yes, you are correct, we
are having a lot more bear encounters, and we're having
some very serious bear encounters in the part of the
world where you are. Montana and parts of Idaho are
having a lot of encounters with guizlies and people getting
maled or killed. So you are smart to be thinking
about this. Question for you would be what kind of
ammo do you think you would want to use a shotgun?
Speaker 16 (36:00):
Well, it was, you know, maybe some a double lot,
maybe a slug. Maybe some double lot in the last
one would be a slug. If you happen to come
into that, you could make dang, sure you've got it down.
That might be an approach somewhere. Maybe a double lot one,
then a slug, then some more double lot. I don't
know what the combination would be, but something in that range.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Okay, I'm going to make a suggestion. I think you
are overthinking this, and that typically what happens. That's why
I asked the question. People go, oh, shotguns, Well, I
can use different kinds of animals. I'm going to switch
from one ought to double lot to your slug to
this and go, yeah, you might as well throw a
load of salt in there at the same time. Here's
the problem. Some of it may work. Bear may turn around,
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and bear may turn around. If you go boot. But
if you want to say, okay, I'm going to have
something that's going to absolutely physically stop the bear, I'm
not sure that there is any shotgun load I would
trust for that, including a slug. The problem is one
of penetration. Typically, you don't get great, you get lousy
penetration with buckshot, I mean terrible, and then you get
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mediocre to okay penetration with a slug. If it were me,
I would go with a short barrel lever action in
forty five seventy.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
With a lever action.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, short barreled lever action like a sixteen inch barrel
or eighteen inch barrel lever action rifle with forty five
to seventy with good solid, hard cast lead bullets, or
penetrator loads like the honey Badger from Blackhill's ammunition. Something
that gives you some deep penetration and you're going to
get three or four good shots off with that, and
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that's probably about all you're going to get anyway, in
any situation. I just would feel better having something I
know I could if necessary, and if presented, I would
have a decent chance of getting around right through the
front of a skull on a grizzly, and I don't
think you're going to get that with any shotgun load.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
And that's why I call it, you know, I just.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
You just don't.
Speaker 16 (38:10):
You just don't know. I mean, there's just a lot
of opinion out there.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh good lord.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yes, every time you say bear gun you get lots
of opinions come flooding in. And so I just will
tell you if you were if you did some real
research on it and talk to people who really know
this stuff as opposed to internet experts, I think you're
going to find that they're going to tell you a
rifle that is going to be your best a even
a handgun. Honestly, I would rather have a handgun, a
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forty four magnum or a four to fifty four cassule
with hardcasts lead bullets. I'm going to get better penetration
out of that than I would with most shotguns.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Just my take.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Other people may disagree with me, but if you do,
by all means, give me a call.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That's what it's about. We're just having the conversation here.
The numbers eight.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
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Larry's with us out of Dallas on four. Larry, you're
on gun talk. What do you do when you run
into one of those new gun signs.
Speaker 17 (39:21):
Well, Tom, it depends. If it's a federal building or
something like that, I'll observe it, or a school. But
if it's just a restaurant and they have that up there,
I'll just walk on in and eat my dinner, just
like a normally would if I didn't have one, and
they never know.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
The difference is like, I mean, you're going to behave
and you know, as I always say, you know, look,
the only way they're going to know is if I
had to pull it out, And if I have to
pull it out, I don't really care about the rest
of it.
Speaker 17 (39:47):
That is correct, you know, Just be a good citizen.
You won't have a problem with anybody, because all they
want is your dollar bill that's in your back pocket.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And a lot of times, and you know, a lot
of times those signs are put up by the managers
because they were told to put them up by some
lawyer in corporate who said, oh, we'll have a little
bit of liability protection if you put those up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
There's no harm, no foul, and go.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know what, I'm not here to make your liability
world better. I'm here to make myself safer in my family.
So I just don't see your sign anymore.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
That's true.
Speaker 17 (40:23):
Well, we're having a problem now with the State Fair
of Texas. They decided this year that they wouldn't let
citizens come in with their carry license this year, and
it's been in the courts here in Texas, but we
didn't win this one, but it looks like next year
we will. They had a shooting last year at the
State Fair, but the guy who committed defense is a
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non criminal. It wasn't a person with a carry license.
So we're being punished for this criminal.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Sure, and Ken Paxton tried to stop it, but that
didn't get anywhere. So yeah, and they're gonna put up
they say they're putting up metal detectors. People will have
to go through. So it's not like you say, well,
I'll just ignore that one. Now you got to go
through the metal detector on that one. So that that
is going to be an ongoing issue and we'll see
what happens because if you read the statutes correctly, they're
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not actually, because it is a facility owned by the state,
they're not able to do it. But it's going to
take a court case to make this thing get sorted out.
Speaker 17 (41:25):
That's true. Well, I'll fix that problem. I just didn't
go to the state fair this year.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So hold on to your money and keep yourself safe.
I'm with you because they're not going to protect you
in there. They're just going to tell you can't protect yourself.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's the main thing that is correct.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Sir, Larry, appreciate the calls there. You take care. Let's
see real fast. We're gonna get Tom in here real fast. Tom,
I got one minute for you out of Fargo.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
Bears talk to me, yes, sir, emerginally from Northern Minnesota
and Triple Lot in a single in a shotgun stops bears.
That's black Bears for anyone, and I would definitely do not.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I rarely.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Second, you're saying about a lever action versus a pump,
especially if you got cold weather, you do not want
that thing freezing up on them, so you go on
the lever action. Is it's good all the time? All weather?
And the heaviest load up there at thirty odd six
is out west. You can get a heavy enough load
for grizzly. That's my two cents.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, I appreciate that there are some really good loads
in forty five seventy.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
If you look for specific bear loads black.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Kills, AMMO has the honey badger load, let's the buffalo
Boar has some really heavy and these are heavy loads.
You'd want to use them only in probably in marlins,
and I don't know if the henrys will take that
or not. You'd have to check with them to see
if they'd be okay with that. They're not fun to shoot.
There's an amazing amount of recoil, But if you had
(42:54):
to shoot a grizzley who's trying to chew your legs off,
you would want all of that and you never feel
the recoil.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So there's that. Selecting the proper AMMO is critical.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
And yes, there's a big difference between a brown bear
or a grizzly and a black bear, and what might
work on a two or three hundred pound black bear
on a six hundred pound grizzly or a twelve hundred
pound brown bear. Whole different thing, So you need to
do your research and make sure you know what. Don't
(43:25):
discount bear spray. I would have that as well. It's
not a bad idea to have whatever you think might
work out there.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Eight six y six Talk Gun.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
When we come back, lights, laser scopes, things you put
on your guns and you can call in eight six
six Talk Guns.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
You're right back.
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