November 2, 2024 • 40 mins
Why did Oklahoma raise the price of hunting licenses so much? Kevin "KJ" Jarnagin and Thomas Allen chat about the adverse effects of such a move and what it means for the state of Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is part two with Thomas Allen of
N Fishermen and Game and Fish and this one. Oklahoma,
you're absolutely hammered. Go home, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome back, Oh you gonna talk hunters.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We were in the same studio in the same positions
as you left us last week with Thomas Allen of
N Fishermen, Game and Fish and all those good things.
But man, Thomas, welcome in again. Well thank you to
get enough of you last week. So I will you know,
we do this.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We do this a lot, you know, and you kind
of just poke the bear and get me all primed up,
and then I go off on these rants, which I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Know I love, but I love it. And here's what
I love about it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love about it because you care and you're passionate
about what you do. And what you do is you man,
You're you're a turkey slayer. But you're raising You're raising
an absolute monster. I will tell you that. Yeah, you
are raising two of them. Uh and Lord help the
guy who comes in to steal your daughter's heart.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh, you know, so here here little sidon, little rabbit trail.
So I've always uh, my buddy, Jeremy, Jeremy King mutual frown.
We committed to each other that the day our daughters
brought a dude home that we thought was a little sketchy,
we would re enact. We would practice, and then we
would bring to life that Bad Boys two scene. I
answer the door when Reggie comes in, and you know
(01:39):
that that's the you know, I have your back that way.
I have Jeremy's back that way. But you you and
I both know that these kids are so you know,
they get so offended by that or some Oh yeah,
it would be like I can't believe you throw it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Mike. You're like, well, it's my daughter. But yeah, I'm
not gonna need to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I've decided that the boy that comes knocking at my door,
I'm gonna sit him down at the table. I'm gonna
walk inside. I'm going to put a shovel right on
the table. I said, boy, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What that is?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
The shovel? So what's it for digging holes? I'm like,
that's right, and I know how to use that. I've
got the weight to push down into hard earth. Yeah yeah,
oh I need threat in violence. I just threatened an endgame.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, you went you just go straight to the last
final step. Well, all right, let's talk about you. Seasons
are cranking up archery, seasons are open up all over
the place. People got elk on the ground, and your
son's got a dough on the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
What was he into?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because you and I were just talking like, hey, he
needs a range finder and we want to get one
up and get one reviewed. What that happened really quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It did, and uh, he actually complained at me that
night because he stole a battery out of one of
my older range finders. Doesn't work, and it turned on
for him. He was able to range the dirt and
it it wouldn't work after that, so I said, we'll
have to buy some more batteries. But there's something else
going on side note, But he wanted to go. We
had the right conditions. We were having some daylight photos
(03:10):
of some deer, especially one big shaggy dough. And as
you know this time of year, you start to see
the bottom of your freezer and we were like we
were down to like ten pounds of hamburger and that
was it. And so Catherine's like, my wife is like, son, Tommy,
if you get a chance, like we need the deer meat.
We eat three or four a year, I'd say, so
(03:31):
it's time to restock the freezer. Yeah, And this year
has been I'll brag on him. Tommy has grown up
a lot this year to where he's become the kind
of tournament bass partner that I want to have. I
wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. He's very good.
He notices when I'm spinning out and he he does.
(03:52):
And the same has happened with hunting. In fact, I
think you and I talked. I don't know if we
did a podcast before or after turkey season. This year
we did okay, well quick side not. Tommy had his
driver's license last fall, bought a truck and he went out,
found his own turkey, found his own dirt, He knocked
on the door himself, got permission and shot a turkey
(04:13):
all on his own. And you know, there's bittersweet, but
I'm super proud of him. Well, deer hunting has been
the same, and he's like, Dad, I want to go.
I've got the time, all right, So we're watching everything
and you and I I think we traded a text
message about spinders and I think the next night he went,
but it was super windy, Kevin. You know, I know
in Oklahoma it's always blowing, and the deer expect that
(04:36):
and they they their movement is not suppressed necessarily because
of the wind where it here in Minnesota, you get
high winds and the deer will often sit in their
beds until you know the wind subsides or they absolutely
have to get up. So it's a factor here. But
it was just enough. I said, buddy, if you set
up on the down wind side, like your timing is good,
(04:57):
there's so much wind, you aren't going to have to
shower before you get out there. Just hit in the
right spot. And trying to think what I was doing. Oh,
we were having dinner with a friend, Catherine and I
and I was just talking to them. I'm like, you know,
Tommy could call any minute, and I know more than
got those words out my mouth and my phone lit up.
He's like, Dad, I got her. She's down. I washed her,
go down.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm like, gosh, so good, so oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now he's killed one deer with his bow. But it
was it was a bit of a hot mess. That's
a long story for another day. Jeremy was also involved
in that hunt, but This was his first successful solo bowhunt,
and he took a tethered saddle out so he you know,
kind of takes a low impact approach, climbs a tree,
sits in his saddle. He practices all summer like he's
(05:44):
he's a monster, just he said. But it was a
big moment for him, but even bigger for me to
see him bring all that together be successful. Mom in
the back of his mind reminding him that we need
meat and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And he got it done. Got it done.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
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Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Man, there is something special about a kid providing dinner
and the meals for the entire family.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Right, we talked about it. Yeah, it was always like, hey,
in fact, you probably did this too, Kevin. I like,
we put Tommy's name on the deer package so that
you know, we know who who pulled the trigger. Taylor
the same way. And I think there's a source of
pride they have and knowing that they're providing food for
the family.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, well, and they have a greater appreciation for it
for sure, Like when they you know. I hear my
youngest son, Knox, he always he always goes in and
he says, like this kid at school, I really don't
like him that much. I'm like, oh, really, why that
he goes He thinks that that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Meets just from the store.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I'm like, well, I mean I was like, that's
probably not enough reason to just not like him just
because of that. But you make a good point. I
you know, we attempt to raise kids to understand like, man,
you can go out, you can catch and you can
kill it and grill it all on your own. You
(07:15):
don't have to be self sufficient or you do. Don't
have to rely upon the grocery store to provide your meat.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, it's clean, it's healthy, it's organic, as clean as
it gets it is. And I'll be honest, like I
really I get about three or four of these meals
a year, depending on how many deer we kill. But
like fresh backstraps and innerloins right off the deer, trimmed
up and thrown on the grill. Now, we might ought
to just put a disclaimer out there. If you live
(07:42):
in an area where trigonosis is an issue, you might
want to freeze at first. But yeah, or we're from
we don't have that problem. But and Kevin, like all
of these things, hunting and fishing, being able to share
it with your kids. I don't think there's a better
way to live. And not too long ago, oh, Tommy
and I came down and hunt with you. I'm sure
(08:03):
we did a podcast about that, and that actually day
is a memory we love to reminisce about. Then. Frankly,
I don't know when we're ever going to get back.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I was fixing this, you know what. I was
fixing to go there.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because shame on you, Oklahoma, Shame on you for your
raising your prices, raising your raids, because more and more
hunters were starting to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Figure out how good you were.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And you know, there's kind of a running joke that
I have on here that, oh, don't come to Oklahoma,
there's no deer out there. But I enjoyed seeing people
from out of state. I'm from out of state now,
like and in Oklahoma has this ridiculous price increase.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Ridiculous, Well, a price increase is one thing, but what
they did Aujing, yeah, I was monumental. And they're going
to see a decline in sales because of it. And
if that's the sacrifice we have to make to maintain
and improve our deer herd. That whatever shove it up
your ass like that is not what should happen in
a especially United States. Like you guys need to work
(09:04):
on your football team. Am I right? Like that? Right now?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You kick a man when he's down. I see how
it is.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, I have a real hard time with I have
zero problem with capitalism. I have no problem with making
money off of an entity and making it reasonable. But
what you just did to me and to tens of
thousands of other hunters that used to travel to Oklahoma,
you made that unattainable.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Unattainable seventeen hundred dollars to get your tags in Oklahoma.
So that is a two hundred dollars hunting tag. So
you have to go in a hunting license. So you
get your two hundred dollars hunting license. All right, I
got it?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Can I hunt? You're in the state of Oklahoma. Wow?
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Five hundred dollars get you your tags for your archery.
Five hundred more dollars will get your tags for black powder,
and then five hundred more dollars will get you your
rifle tags and all that good stuff you know you
have to buy now that gets you your tags.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So now you're out of pocket seventeen dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And then you start talking about travel, like you go
to these rules places.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
There's not a lot to there's not a lot of
places to stay. There's no Airbnbs out in Alsis, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean you like, there's there's just no good options,
and they're hamstringing hunters that used to seek Oklahoma as
one of the last places you could go to enjoy
out of state tags at a reasonable price, with the
opportunity to kill a solid deer.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I think Tommy and I were there and back for
like eleven hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, that's two hunters. That's two. That was two hunters,
and you guys left with six deer? Was it six
or four?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Or we shot a buck? And then I think you
killed a doe and Tommy killed a doe. Yeah, no, yeah,
that's or something like that. Whatever it was, like you
had meat, we were short because we had just moved.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, and he has left with unbelievable experience.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yep, too great.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Dear, let's back up, break this down. Break this down
again for me, just so that we know exactly how
the prices fall. So yeah, as an example of an
expensive tag, Iowa is an expensive non resident tag, but
it's also a draw. So I would assume what Oklahoma's
doing is they're still keeping it over the counter and
then backing the prices way up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So do that run that by me again. Where you're
talking about how the price is add up to get
to seventeen hundred, how's that you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Get seven hundred bucks?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So, and mind you, Oklahoma is a two bucks state.
You can kill two with archery, or you can kill
one with archery, one with muzzloader or archery rifle or
muzzloader rifle. So, and then you have four dose you
(11:57):
can take, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's per resident and non resident.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So, yes, that's what gets you those tags. But well,
apparently now I think it's going to like if you
buy a archery tag, you have an archery tag, like
you don't get like the rifle. You don't get the
two bucks four dos. You only I think you only
(12:24):
get one buck one.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Dough on that archery license.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But this is just for tags. So your hunting license
is two hundred bucks, and then your archery tags are
five hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is that in your muzzleoder tags?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Does that one tag give you the buck and the
dough or do you have a tag breach? Okay, yes,
So you're at seven hundred to come to an archery hunt.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Right then you're at Yeah, then five hundred dollars more.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So that put you at twelve hundred dollars your mussloader.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Tags, and then for your rifle tags another five hundred dollars.
So if you want to really hunt Oklahoma, you want
to hunt it all year long, archery, muzzloader and rifle,
you it's seventeen hundred bucks. And I did see somewhere
that now because of the price changes, Oklahoma is now
(13:21):
the most expensive state in the United States to hunt
whitetail deer or non resident hunters.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And I mean it was it was. I think Iowa
was right up there as well.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I guess it's easier to swallow even hundred dollars expense,
but that, dude, that's still more than double what it
was before.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, Like, I think, why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, probably the first step, I think if we're going
to talk about alternatives, maybe make it a draw. Maybe
you need it. Maybe it's a one to two application,
probably one and two year draw where you you got
to have a preference point or two or something. But
keep the prices affordable. Like, I'm not even gonna put
Oklahoma on my list right now until that changes, and
that sucks. I bet that it does change. I think
(14:11):
that we're not the only ones complaining.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
About Okay, all right, I pulled it up on my phone.
I'm sorry, I was looking at my technology. I apologize
for that, but I want to get this right. So
this might be worse than what we were talking about
because I went in and you can buy an annual package.
Oh get this, You're gonna love this, dude. You can
(14:34):
buy an annual package to hunt deer archery. So it's
a deer archery hunter package. That price tag is nine
hundred and nineteen dollars for.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
A non resident to archery hunt in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so a non resident annual hunting license two hundred
and nine dollars. Yeah, yeah, and then two sixty seven. Yeah,
so two hundred nine dollars. And then you have to
buy your tags, which is another whatever. That's ridiculous, but yeah,
(15:09):
that's a that's on the Oklahoma site.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is a.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Is nine hundred and sixteen dollars for your archery license, I.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Assume, and rifle packages there too. What there are muzzloader
and rifle packages.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There too, muzzloader, deer hunter, muzzloder package, everything you need
to hunt during the only the muzzloader season nine hundred
and sixteen dollars. But if you bought the archery one
surd so now you don't have to have your license,
so you're still gonna have to get.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I see what they're trying to do, like they're trying
to make it easy and stuff like that, but hiking
the prices up that much, they are going to lose
so much revenue.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm out of state hunters, and maybe they're okay with that.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
A price increase to me is a normal thing, and
I would say every ten years they're entitled to increase
the price of resident and non resident tags by let's
just say one to three percent or maybe five, and
we'd still pay five and not really feel that. So
that's fine. But let's also consider that we're in the
(16:22):
you know, we're teetering on a recession. We're we're dealing
with inflation like we've never seen before. Despite what the
Biden Harris administration will tell you we are absolutely paying
more for gas, We're paying more for groceries, and if
you combine those two things, you're paying more for vehicle
repairs or a tune up before you take a trip.
(16:46):
So you know, you're not just doubling the price of
your trip, you're tripling it at the least to make
this happen. And I think that's a travesty because if
the goal is to push people out, is to scare
people away, you're doing it. Yeah, but that's not necessarily
the right thing to do, and there are other avenues
to keep the herd, the state herd, in check. I know,
(17:09):
I think I know that there's been some weather that's
affected you guys. I'm sure there's other things you can
enlighten me on what's going on. But if the population's down, okay,
then maybe it doesn't need to be a two buck
state for residents. Maybe it doesn't need to be a
two buck state for non resident Maybe non residents need
to apply. Maybe there are certain counties that are off
limits to non residence now and residents need to apply.
(17:29):
There are other ways to get the same result without
jacking the price up by three freaking times.
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All Right, we're back with Thomas Allen. All Right, where
do we go from here? Like, so, what is the
(22:13):
great State of Oklahoma gonna do? Are they moving to
a draw system? I think that's where they're headed.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think. So let me let me play Devil's advocate
for a minute here and yes. And this is just
simply because I grew up in Iowa. I cut my
white tail hunting teeth hunting Iowa white tails. They have
a very soft place in my heart. And while I
lived there, I was a part of a we'll use
the word coalition loosely, but a group of resident whitetail
(22:44):
guys that would go to the capitol and talk with
state representatives on limiting and managing non resident hunting access.
And one of the things that every year gets brought
up is that non resident landowners should be entitled to
ann and you will tag. And our stance was, no,
they shouldn't. If they want resident rights, they can become
(23:04):
a resident. So i was a very restrictive state to
pull a tag in. In fact, it used to be
worst case scenario one and four draw. And Kevin, we're
looking at a one in five draw. Now when you
and I draw next year, we'll have applied for five years.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It is ridiculous. But is it okay? The right? I
guess prices haven't really changed, so there's that right. That's
what Iowa has going for them. You get into that
knowing you're going to spend by the time you buy
all your documentation, your habitat, it's going to be close
to seven hundred dollars. So that in itself is sort
of comparable. But it didn't start out at two hundred
(23:44):
and fifty dollars last year and then go to seven
hundred and fifty like. It's been that for a very
long time and has staggered up. So at the least
you're limiting non resident influence. Okay, so lets this could
be a part of this, Kevin, I want you your
opinion on this, and let me finish the statement and
I'll shut up. The non resident influence in Iowa's wildlife
(24:07):
is almost nilch because the non resident landowners are non
residents and so they don't necessarily have the option to
vote or to contribute to the Iowa hunting economy other
than hunting when they get there, when they draw their tags.
Maybe one of the benefits to this Oklahoma thing is
going to limit the number of non resident landowners and
(24:29):
non resident leases, which in turn actually increases resident access.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I see it. I don't like it, but I see it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Because you go so the hunting area that we hunted
in down in western southwestern Oklahoma. So you go down
there during a rifle season, and I would say the
vehicles you pass, the trucks that you know are hunters,
and we all drive those roads and we all.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
See like we know that or a hunter. You know,
it's not a vehicle we normally see out there. Well, man,
I would.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Say thirty thirty to forty percent of the trucks I
passed are from Louisiana. And I think that, and it's
crazy to me. You'll see rarely do you see Texas,
But you'll see a couple of Kansas, but a whole.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Lot of Louisiana deer hunters out there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And I'm kind of anxious to see if that holds
true because I've got some guys on a lease that
I used to have that I would love to see
it come back to me. I don't know, I mean,
is that what does that do to lease prices?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Now? Our lease price is going to start to go down?
Because that would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean because now it's like, well, we got to
find someone the lease because now it's too expensive to
hunt the state. When you're talking another seventeen hundred dollars
out of your pocket, where you're already paying for maybe
six hundred and forty acres, which I know this lease
is going for, which is why probably I can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'd have to have a lot of people go in
with me.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's nine thousand dollars or six hundred and forty acres,
but it's the right six hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So and you're talking about ten grand a year.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
But for those people, like seventeen dollars, is it much right?
The folks that are affording those types of leases, I
think that and maybe seventeen maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I could see that. But man, like when you're talking
guys that I had. Okay, here's a great example out
of a Buddy Todd banner of moniacal arms, Like he
got a lease in Kansas. He finally got one, and
like it's a prime lease, it's great. Well, guess what
happened to him this year? He didn't draw so there
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now he's putting on a lease that he can't even hunt. Well,
that the way Oklahoma's going. And now all of a
sudden people come in and if lease prices go down,
they lease up a bunch of land and they just
hope for the draw I.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Mean, that's that's a potential destination as well. I just
I have a hard time with that level of increase
being you know, a couple hundred percent. That's that Not
to mention bad timing. You know, what keeps me saying
in a poor political climate or when we're dealing with
knuckleheads running our country is going to the tree stand
or being in the woods. So I would like that
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not to be affected by this administration's inflicted inflation. They
did it on purpose, I don't. I would much prefer
have that as my out. But instead, I think that
the state of Oklahoma said, hey, we're going to get
our piece of the pie. We're going to jack prices
up because people are going to pay anyways. And I
hope as a result that people don't go for a
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couple of years and they have to change the law.
And I know they're getting heat. I see it online.
There's a lot of people pissed about it. So a
lot of people maybe they'll listen. But again, Kevin, you
you also don't want your resource pillage by non residents.
I think that there needs to be some management. Here's
an example. I love my wife, my wife is puts
up with a whole lot of crap, all right, she does,
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but when she gets in the car, if it's too
cold or too hot, that knob gets turned the whole
way the opposite. It gets shut off or gets turned
all the way on. There's no right down the middle.
And that's what Oklahoma needs to do. Instead of going
full Monty, most expensive tag in the country, how about
we just test the waters on a drawer, or test
the waters on a restriction on the number of bucks
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people can kill. Instead, they just went air conditioned on
full fledge, right, like, come on, find a happy medium.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You say that because it's a it's great analogy, man.
But you know who really hurts most out of everybody
is me?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I hurt the most because.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm the idiot who is living in Oklahoma decides the
mood to Louisiana. And before he left the state of
Oklahoma did not get his kids lifetime hunting licenses. So
guess who's going to be the guy putting the bill
on this because his kids love hunting.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
This guy.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But but that's money well spent. It's gonna hurt it is.
And here the other side of that too, is you
got to check yourself when you go, because if you
don't fill a tag naturally, it's going to hurt that
much more knowing you drop five grand on three hunts
three hunts, so and I know that you will.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You're not You're not a re overreactor like I am. No, no,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But but but truth be told, like you have a
lot more on the line now, and you know frankly
that that ought to not that ought not apply to
a youth. I think that if if you really want
to get down to separating out what's fair, uh, I'm
down with, Okay, what do we spend before three hunt?
I feel like three point thirty was about what we spent.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think about what right, what it was?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I feel like a bump to four hundred not only
would increase a tremendous amount of revenue. Bump to four
hundred limited to one buck, Yeah, you've you've accomplished the
same thing I would have.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I would totally be on board with that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
But but see, here's the deal is that that when
you start to do draws, you've got to figure out
some type of formula where it's not a one in
five or a one in seven or whatever it is.
I mean, man, if you're one every two years, you
get a draw every one to two years.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean max three years during rifle.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe that's what I feel like you're doing because what
what happens is and it's not I hate to advertise stuff,
but it's relevant to the topic. Is take the Witch
Tall Mountain elk hunt for example, it's a lifetime like
once in a lifetime draw like, so if you draw once,
you're you're done for life.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, like, you go out there and you watch these
people go through and it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like when I I was there, man, the average age
of person was like fifty seven and higher because these
guys have been putting in for years and years and years,
never getting drawn ever. And then I'll finally they hit
old age and they finally have enough points to finally draw,
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and they can barely make it up the mountain, right.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And it's that's that's the case. I think with a
lot of the states that have other big game opportunities
and once in a lifetime draws, you just run the
risk of not drawing. And you know, I have a
buddy that put in for two years, two or three
years for the North Dakota moose hunt and he drew
on his third try, you know. And then there's other
guys that are sixty years old every year and never drawn.
So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is,
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and I'll be honest here in this podcast, like I
have not read the fine print. I was not in
the meetings the Oklahoma Game and Fish Department or DNR
whatever they have, I'm not I wasn't in those meetings,
but I know the end result was probably I think
it was created because of lack of experience. It was
created because they feel like they need to manage something better,
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and they probably do. I don't know that. I think
they picked the lesser of two evils, meaning they didn't
affect the resident hunters, so they aren't going to hear
from their constituents. They affected the non resident hunters that
don't have a say in the elections. So if you
think about it for a second, if the state of
Oklahoma worked to go to one buck, there'd probably be
a protest somewhere. There'd be enough people complaining about that.
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But here in Minnesota, that's what we got. We get
one buck in Minnesota as a resident, whether that's an
archery muzzleload, rifle, shotgun, whatever season that you go. You're
only allowed one buck.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, well I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I don't love that, But if that's the game we're
going to play by, then then that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So will I will tell you this much.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
If they went to a one buck system, the telepoach
system will be in full effect.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well, there's gonna be okay. So, back in the day
when I was implemented the Register your Harvest program, there
was a tremendous amount of blowback. I'm not giving a
government more information than they need too much.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Big brother blah blah already got everything, trust me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So it's like there's gonna be a temporary blowback of disobedience,
and I think that's the case with any type of game.
In fish regulation, it would be permanent for me. If
they ban cell cameras, I'd be an outlaw and probably
locked up somewhere. But the reality is it would eventually
take hold and the state's heard would benefit because of that.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So and Kevin, there are probably numbers of Oklahoma hunters
that know the details and say this guy doesn't know
he's talking about and that might be the case, but
what I do know. But what I do know is
further regulation that impacts one side is going to have
a negative impact on the overall revenue. If it's a
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little bit more spread out, a little bit more well
thought out, a little bit softer, if you will, then
I think that more money is to be had by
bumping it up to four hundred dollars. And every individual
that lives in or travels to Oklahoma hunts allowed one buck,
and I think problems solved it.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I don't have a problem with one buck state like,
it makes you shoot the exact one you want to
go after, So I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Hey, all right, I'm gonna tie everything together here. I
just thought of this, you ready, stand bys. So we
talked last week about ford facing, sonar and trail cameras
and that the work of the older generation paved the
way to that success, right, and that needs that needs
to be a tip of the hat, needs to be
a nod. You need to understand that people came before
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you that laid the groundwork to make you more successful
on the water in the woods. Well, I think the
deer herds across the country are in a similar situation
that we've gotten better at harvesting deer. There's more information
out there than ever before. And I bet you'd agree
that the good old days of deer hunting, at least
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in Iowa, we're in the early two thousands, we'll say too.
Ninety nine through twos were some of the best years
Iowa ever put out. Now, year over year, top end
trophy output has increased because there's more smart hunters. There's
more hunters willing to pass those one hundred and seventy
and four year olds because they see the potential of
the following year.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I'm not that guy, but be that guy either. I'm sorry,
but I.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Think I think we've reached the peak and deer hunting
almost we're close to the pinnacle of what is going
to be available for everybody. That social media has put
the pressure on somebody to shoot a deer so they
can post something to brag. And I think that a
lot of these people aren't necessarily to the point of
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being a landowner where they have a leg to stand
on on management statewide, so people travel, they they hunt
public access. It's going on in Kansas too, We've got
a lot of this walk in area. There's a lot
of opportunity to hunt. But I think that harvest rates
have impacted deer numbers more than anything else. And we've
been living in this comfortable chasm of two bucks and
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multiple dose and that's going to have a long term impact.
Or if you're hammered with a terrible ice storm or
a rough winner, that's going to compound that situation when
really we should be looking at tag sales, we should
be looking at deer registration. Pull back on that a
little bit. I think that's probably here in Minnesota, we
got a whole other problem and we should touch on
(36:37):
it briefly. But here in Minnesota, wolves are being deemed
the worst thing to ever happen to Minnesota's deer hunting.
They are a bad thing, and I'm in full support
to shoot them all. We've talked about this, but we
need to pull back harvest numbers. We need to restrict
hunters a little bit more, because if you say kill
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them all for a long period of time, that's what
they're going to do. Oh yeah, it's sometimes it's hard
to move away from that.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But well, it happened in the American buffalo.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You're absolutely right, So maybe we take a step back,
think about what we evaluate, reevaluate tag numbers and tag availability,
and maybe that's what the problem is.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
It might be I don't know, but I'll just tell
you as much. Oklahoma, go home. You're drunk.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's it. You're you're wasted.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Dude. I was trying. I was hoping so bad. They
were going to school Texas this last weekend. I know
this is not a We're a couple of weeks beyond
that by the time we listen to this, But man, man,
they're not the powerhouse they used to be.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't know what's going on. I can tell you
this much. It really hurts to see it.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It hurts. It hurts, It hurts deep inside. But you
know what, I don't have to worry about anymore. Like
I don't have to worry about it in the deer
standing going Oh, I hope they win this week. I
don't care, Like I don't care win lose, and it
doesn't matter to me, Like it has no play on
my mood anymore, on my hunt, Like I get to
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live a stress free life because they suck.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Well, it's not been that way in my house. Oh gosh,
my son, we we had to sit down. I had
to talk a little bit about letting things affect us
that we cannot change. And uh, that Vanderbilt game against Alabama,
like he blew a gasket. I mean I think he
might have pulled a hammy stomping around.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
My gosh, like you're not a part of the team.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's not we, he says.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
And I've been caught doing that myself. But you know what,
I'm gonna find a funny segue here. Okay, this whole
this is what our problem is. This is this is cultural.
It's deeper than deer hunting. It's deeper than football. But
the nil thing that's going on within college football, I
think is decaying the quality of college and it is
I think long term we're going to see negative ramifications
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where it's just become another pro sport and it's minor leagues.
It's but the same thing's going on in hunting. You
have social media that prevent or provides a platform for
you to be somebody. And the bigger deer you kill,
the more somebody you are, the more turkeys or ducks
you pile up, the more somebody you are, the better
tournament finishes you have, the more somebody you're going to be.
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And I think it all comes from entitlement that our
culture has breeded into us that we are all equal
and Kevin, by God, we're not. And that's what makes
it great, is that we have the opportunity to be
individuals and be as good as we can possibly be
and get rewarded for being as good as we can achieve.
But I don't want I would never want to be
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the kind of guy that takes from that guy because
I'm jealous of what he's got home. I'd rather celebrate
his success, learn from him, and build my own.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Unless it's Vanderbilt right.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Roll tide, they carry those good poles four miles down
the road.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh all right, Thomas Allen. Folks like always love having
you on, man, I sure do appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
It's always fun. I appreciate you. Let me rant I
feel better.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
All right, Gun Talk Hunters. That is it for this
episode of gun Talk.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hunt as always more important than ever, keep those muzzles
pointing in a safe direction that I'll always be on
the hunt.
All right, this is part two with Thomas Allen of
N Fishermen and Game and Fish and this one. Oklahoma,
you're absolutely hammered. Go home, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome back, Oh you gonna talk hunters.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We were in the same studio in the same positions
as you left us last week with Thomas Allen of
N Fishermen, Game and Fish and all those good things.
But man, Thomas, welcome in again. Well thank you to
get enough of you last week. So I will you know,
we do this.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We do this a lot, you know, and you kind
of just poke the bear and get me all primed up,
and then I go off on these rants, which I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Know I love, but I love it. And here's what
I love about it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love about it because you care and you're passionate
about what you do. And what you do is you man,
You're you're a turkey slayer. But you're raising You're raising
an absolute monster. I will tell you that. Yeah, you
are raising two of them. Uh and Lord help the
guy who comes in to steal your daughter's heart.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh, you know, so here here little sidon, little rabbit trail.
So I've always uh, my buddy, Jeremy, Jeremy King mutual frown.
We committed to each other that the day our daughters
brought a dude home that we thought was a little sketchy,
we would re enact. We would practice, and then we
would bring to life that Bad Boys two scene. I
answer the door when Reggie comes in, and you know
(01:39):
that that's the you know, I have your back that way.
I have Jeremy's back that way. But you you and
I both know that these kids are so you know,
they get so offended by that or some Oh yeah,
it would be like I can't believe you throw it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Mike. You're like, well, it's my daughter. But yeah, I'm
not gonna need to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I've decided that the boy that comes knocking at my door,
I'm gonna sit him down at the table. I'm gonna
walk inside. I'm going to put a shovel right on
the table. I said, boy, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What that is?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
The shovel? So what's it for digging holes? I'm like,
that's right, and I know how to use that. I've
got the weight to push down into hard earth. Yeah yeah,
oh I need threat in violence. I just threatened an endgame.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, you went you just go straight to the last
final step. Well, all right, let's talk about you. Seasons
are cranking up archery, seasons are open up all over
the place. People got elk on the ground, and your
son's got a dough on the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
What was he into?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because you and I were just talking like, hey, he
needs a range finder and we want to get one
up and get one reviewed. What that happened really quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It did, and uh, he actually complained at me that
night because he stole a battery out of one of
my older range finders. Doesn't work, and it turned on
for him. He was able to range the dirt and
it it wouldn't work after that, so I said, we'll
have to buy some more batteries. But there's something else
going on side note, But he wanted to go. We
had the right conditions. We were having some daylight photos
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of some deer, especially one big shaggy dough. And as
you know this time of year, you start to see
the bottom of your freezer and we were like we
were down to like ten pounds of hamburger and that
was it. And so Catherine's like, my wife is like, son, Tommy,
if you get a chance, like we need the deer meat.
We eat three or four a year, I'd say, so
(03:31):
it's time to restock the freezer. Yeah, And this year
has been I'll brag on him. Tommy has grown up
a lot this year to where he's become the kind
of tournament bass partner that I want to have. I
wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. He's very good.
He notices when I'm spinning out and he he does.
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And the same has happened with hunting. In fact, I
think you and I talked. I don't know if we
did a podcast before or after turkey season. This year
we did okay, well quick side not. Tommy had his
driver's license last fall, bought a truck and he went out,
found his own turkey, found his own dirt, He knocked
on the door himself, got permission and shot a turkey
(04:13):
all on his own. And you know, there's bittersweet, but
I'm super proud of him. Well, deer hunting has been
the same, and he's like, Dad, I want to go.
I've got the time, all right, So we're watching everything
and you and I I think we traded a text
message about spinders and I think the next night he went,
but it was super windy, Kevin. You know, I know
in Oklahoma it's always blowing, and the deer expect that
(04:36):
and they they their movement is not suppressed necessarily because
of the wind where it here in Minnesota, you get
high winds and the deer will often sit in their
beds until you know the wind subsides or they absolutely
have to get up. So it's a factor here. But
it was just enough. I said, buddy, if you set
up on the down wind side, like your timing is good,
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there's so much wind, you aren't going to have to
shower before you get out there. Just hit in the
right spot. And trying to think what I was doing. Oh,
we were having dinner with a friend, Catherine and I
and I was just talking to them. I'm like, you know,
Tommy could call any minute, and I know more than
got those words out my mouth and my phone lit up.
He's like, Dad, I got her. She's down. I washed her,
go down.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm like, gosh, so good, so oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now he's killed one deer with his bow. But it
was it was a bit of a hot mess. That's
a long story for another day. Jeremy was also involved
in that hunt, but This was his first successful solo bowhunt,
and he took a tethered saddle out so he you know,
kind of takes a low impact approach, climbs a tree,
sits in his saddle. He practices all summer like he's
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he's a monster, just he said. But it was a
big moment for him, but even bigger for me to
see him bring all that together be successful. Mom in
the back of his mind reminding him that we need
meat and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And he got it done. Got it done.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
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Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Man, there is something special about a kid providing dinner
and the meals for the entire family.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Right, we talked about it. Yeah, it was always like, hey,
in fact, you probably did this too, Kevin. I like,
we put Tommy's name on the deer package so that
you know, we know who who pulled the trigger. Taylor
the same way. And I think there's a source of
pride they have and knowing that they're providing food for
the family.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, well, and they have a greater appreciation for it
for sure, Like when they you know. I hear my
youngest son, Knox, he always he always goes in and
he says, like this kid at school, I really don't
like him that much. I'm like, oh, really, why that
he goes He thinks that that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Meets just from the store.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I'm like, well, I mean I was like, that's
probably not enough reason to just not like him just
because of that. But you make a good point. I
you know, we attempt to raise kids to understand like, man,
you can go out, you can catch and you can
kill it and grill it all on your own. You
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don't have to be self sufficient or you do. Don't
have to rely upon the grocery store to provide your meat.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, it's clean, it's healthy, it's organic, as clean as
it gets it is. And I'll be honest, like I
really I get about three or four of these meals
a year, depending on how many deer we kill. But
like fresh backstraps and innerloins right off the deer, trimmed
up and thrown on the grill. Now, we might ought
to just put a disclaimer out there. If you live
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in an area where trigonosis is an issue, you might
want to freeze at first. But yeah, or we're from
we don't have that problem. But and Kevin, like all
of these things, hunting and fishing, being able to share
it with your kids. I don't think there's a better
way to live. And not too long ago, oh, Tommy
and I came down and hunt with you. I'm sure
(08:03):
we did a podcast about that, and that actually day
is a memory we love to reminisce about. Then. Frankly,
I don't know when we're ever going to get back.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I was fixing this, you know what. I was
fixing to go there.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because shame on you, Oklahoma, Shame on you for your
raising your prices, raising your raids, because more and more
hunters were starting to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Figure out how good you were.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And you know, there's kind of a running joke that
I have on here that, oh, don't come to Oklahoma,
there's no deer out there. But I enjoyed seeing people
from out of state. I'm from out of state now,
like and in Oklahoma has this ridiculous price increase.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Ridiculous, Well, a price increase is one thing, but what
they did Aujing, yeah, I was monumental. And they're going
to see a decline in sales because of it. And
if that's the sacrifice we have to make to maintain
and improve our deer herd. That whatever shove it up
your ass like that is not what should happen in
a especially United States. Like you guys need to work
(09:04):
on your football team. Am I right? Like that? Right now?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You kick a man when he's down. I see how
it is.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, I have a real hard time with I have
zero problem with capitalism. I have no problem with making
money off of an entity and making it reasonable. But
what you just did to me and to tens of
thousands of other hunters that used to travel to Oklahoma,
you made that unattainable.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Unattainable seventeen hundred dollars to get your tags in Oklahoma.
So that is a two hundred dollars hunting tag. So
you have to go in a hunting license. So you
get your two hundred dollars hunting license. All right, I
got it?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Can I hunt? You're in the state of Oklahoma. Wow?
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Five hundred dollars get you your tags for your archery.
Five hundred more dollars will get your tags for black powder,
and then five hundred more dollars will get you your
rifle tags and all that good stuff you know you
have to buy now that gets you your tags.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So now you're out of pocket seventeen dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And then you start talking about travel, like you go
to these rules places.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
There's not a lot to there's not a lot of
places to stay. There's no Airbnbs out in Alsis, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean you like, there's there's just no good options,
and they're hamstringing hunters that used to seek Oklahoma as
one of the last places you could go to enjoy
out of state tags at a reasonable price, with the
opportunity to kill a solid deer.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I think Tommy and I were there and back for
like eleven hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, that's two hunters. That's two. That was two hunters,
and you guys left with six deer? Was it six
or four?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Or we shot a buck? And then I think you
killed a doe and Tommy killed a doe. Yeah, no, yeah,
that's or something like that. Whatever it was, like you
had meat, we were short because we had just moved.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, and he has left with unbelievable experience.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yep, too great.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Dear, let's back up, break this down. Break this down
again for me, just so that we know exactly how
the prices fall. So yeah, as an example of an
expensive tag, Iowa is an expensive non resident tag, but
it's also a draw. So I would assume what Oklahoma's
doing is they're still keeping it over the counter and
then backing the prices way up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So do that run that by me again. Where you're
talking about how the price is add up to get
to seventeen hundred, how's that you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Get seven hundred bucks?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So, and mind you, Oklahoma is a two bucks state.
You can kill two with archery, or you can kill
one with archery, one with muzzloader or archery rifle or
muzzloader rifle. So, and then you have four dose you
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can take, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's per resident and non resident.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So, yes, that's what gets you those tags. But well,
apparently now I think it's going to like if you
buy a archery tag, you have an archery tag, like
you don't get like the rifle. You don't get the
two bucks four dos. You only I think you only
(12:24):
get one buck one.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Dough on that archery license.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But this is just for tags. So your hunting license
is two hundred bucks, and then your archery tags are
five hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is that in your muzzleoder tags?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Does that one tag give you the buck and the
dough or do you have a tag breach? Okay, yes,
So you're at seven hundred to come to an archery hunt.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Right then you're at Yeah, then five hundred dollars more.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So that put you at twelve hundred dollars your mussloader.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Tags, and then for your rifle tags another five hundred dollars.
So if you want to really hunt Oklahoma, you want
to hunt it all year long, archery, muzzloader and rifle,
you it's seventeen hundred bucks. And I did see somewhere
that now because of the price changes, Oklahoma is now
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the most expensive state in the United States to hunt
whitetail deer or non resident hunters.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And I mean it was it was. I think Iowa
was right up there as well.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I guess it's easier to swallow even hundred dollars expense,
but that, dude, that's still more than double what it
was before.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, Like, I think, why would you do that?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, probably the first step, I think if we're going
to talk about alternatives, maybe make it a draw. Maybe
you need it. Maybe it's a one to two application,
probably one and two year draw where you you got
to have a preference point or two or something. But
keep the prices affordable. Like, I'm not even gonna put
Oklahoma on my list right now until that changes, and
that sucks. I bet that it does change. I think
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that we're not the only ones complaining.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
About Okay, all right, I pulled it up on my phone.
I'm sorry, I was looking at my technology. I apologize
for that, but I want to get this right. So
this might be worse than what we were talking about
because I went in and you can buy an annual package.
Oh get this, You're gonna love this, dude. You can
(14:34):
buy an annual package to hunt deer archery. So it's
a deer archery hunter package. That price tag is nine
hundred and nineteen dollars for.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
A non resident to archery hunt in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so a non resident annual hunting license two hundred
and nine dollars. Yeah, yeah, and then two sixty seven. Yeah,
so two hundred nine dollars. And then you have to
buy your tags, which is another whatever. That's ridiculous, but yeah,
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that's a that's on the Oklahoma site.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Is a.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Is nine hundred and sixteen dollars for your archery license, I.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Assume, and rifle packages there too. What there are muzzloader
and rifle packages.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There too, muzzloader, deer hunter, muzzloder package, everything you need
to hunt during the only the muzzloader season nine hundred
and sixteen dollars. But if you bought the archery one
surd so now you don't have to have your license,
so you're still gonna have to get.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I see what they're trying to do, like they're trying
to make it easy and stuff like that, but hiking
the prices up that much, they are going to lose
so much revenue.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm out of state hunters, and maybe they're okay with that.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
A price increase to me is a normal thing, and
I would say every ten years they're entitled to increase
the price of resident and non resident tags by let's
just say one to three percent or maybe five, and
we'd still pay five and not really feel that. So
that's fine. But let's also consider that we're in the
(16:22):
you know, we're teetering on a recession. We're we're dealing
with inflation like we've never seen before. Despite what the
Biden Harris administration will tell you we are absolutely paying
more for gas, We're paying more for groceries, and if
you combine those two things, you're paying more for vehicle
repairs or a tune up before you take a trip.
(16:46):
So you know, you're not just doubling the price of
your trip, you're tripling it at the least to make
this happen. And I think that's a travesty because if
the goal is to push people out, is to scare
people away, you're doing it. Yeah, but that's not necessarily
the right thing to do, and there are other avenues
to keep the herd, the state herd, in check. I know,
(17:09):
I think I know that there's been some weather that's
affected you guys. I'm sure there's other things you can
enlighten me on what's going on. But if the population's down, okay,
then maybe it doesn't need to be a two buck
state for residents. Maybe it doesn't need to be a
two buck state for non resident Maybe non residents need
to apply. Maybe there are certain counties that are off
limits to non residence now and residents need to apply.
(17:29):
There are other ways to get the same result without
jacking the price up by three freaking times.
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All Right, we're back with Thomas Allen. All Right, where
do we go from here? Like, so, what is the
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great State of Oklahoma gonna do? Are they moving to
a draw system? I think that's where they're headed.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think. So let me let me play Devil's advocate
for a minute here and yes. And this is just
simply because I grew up in Iowa. I cut my
white tail hunting teeth hunting Iowa white tails. They have
a very soft place in my heart. And while I
lived there, I was a part of a we'll use
the word coalition loosely, but a group of resident whitetail
(22:44):
guys that would go to the capitol and talk with
state representatives on limiting and managing non resident hunting access.
And one of the things that every year gets brought
up is that non resident landowners should be entitled to
ann and you will tag. And our stance was, no,
they shouldn't. If they want resident rights, they can become
(23:04):
a resident. So i was a very restrictive state to
pull a tag in. In fact, it used to be
worst case scenario one and four draw. And Kevin, we're
looking at a one in five draw. Now when you
and I draw next year, we'll have applied for five years.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It is ridiculous. But is it okay? The right? I
guess prices haven't really changed, so there's that right. That's
what Iowa has going for them. You get into that
knowing you're going to spend by the time you buy
all your documentation, your habitat, it's going to be close
to seven hundred dollars. So that in itself is sort
of comparable. But it didn't start out at two hundred
(23:44):
and fifty dollars last year and then go to seven
hundred and fifty like. It's been that for a very
long time and has staggered up. So at the least
you're limiting non resident influence. Okay, so lets this could
be a part of this, Kevin, I want you your
opinion on this, and let me finish the statement and
I'll shut up. The non resident influence in Iowa's wildlife
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is almost nilch because the non resident landowners are non
residents and so they don't necessarily have the option to
vote or to contribute to the Iowa hunting economy other
than hunting when they get there, when they draw their tags.
Maybe one of the benefits to this Oklahoma thing is
going to limit the number of non resident landowners and
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non resident leases, which in turn actually increases resident access.
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I see it. I don't like it, but I see it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Because you go so the hunting area that we hunted
in down in western southwestern Oklahoma. So you go down
there during a rifle season, and I would say the
vehicles you pass, the trucks that you know are hunters,
and we all drive those roads and we all.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
See like we know that or a hunter. You know,
it's not a vehicle we normally see out there. Well, man,
I would.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Say thirty thirty to forty percent of the trucks I
passed are from Louisiana. And I think that, and it's
crazy to me. You'll see rarely do you see Texas,
But you'll see a couple of Kansas, but a whole.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Lot of Louisiana deer hunters out there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And I'm kind of anxious to see if that holds
true because I've got some guys on a lease that
I used to have that I would love to see
it come back to me. I don't know, I mean,
is that what does that do to lease prices?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Now? Our lease price is going to start to go down?
Because that would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean because now it's like, well, we got to
find someone the lease because now it's too expensive to
hunt the state. When you're talking another seventeen hundred dollars
out of your pocket, where you're already paying for maybe
six hundred and forty acres, which I know this lease
is going for, which is why probably I can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'd have to have a lot of people go in
with me.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's nine thousand dollars or six hundred and forty acres,
but it's the right six hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So and you're talking about ten grand a year.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
But for those people, like seventeen dollars, is it much right?
The folks that are affording those types of leases, I
think that and maybe seventeen maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I could see that. But man, like when you're talking
guys that I had. Okay, here's a great example out
of a Buddy Todd banner of moniacal arms, Like he
got a lease in Kansas. He finally got one, and
like it's a prime lease, it's great. Well, guess what
happened to him this year? He didn't draw so there
(26:56):
now he's putting on a lease that he can't even hunt. Well,
that the way Oklahoma's going. And now all of a
sudden people come in and if lease prices go down,
they lease up a bunch of land and they just
hope for the draw I.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Mean, that's that's a potential destination as well. I just
I have a hard time with that level of increase
being you know, a couple hundred percent. That's that Not
to mention bad timing. You know, what keeps me saying
in a poor political climate or when we're dealing with
knuckleheads running our country is going to the tree stand
or being in the woods. So I would like that
(27:30):
not to be affected by this administration's inflicted inflation. They
did it on purpose, I don't. I would much prefer
have that as my out. But instead, I think that
the state of Oklahoma said, hey, we're going to get
our piece of the pie. We're going to jack prices
up because people are going to pay anyways. And I
hope as a result that people don't go for a
(27:52):
couple of years and they have to change the law.
And I know they're getting heat. I see it online.
There's a lot of people pissed about it. So a
lot of people maybe they'll listen. But again, Kevin, you
you also don't want your resource pillage by non residents.
I think that there needs to be some management. Here's
an example. I love my wife, my wife is puts
up with a whole lot of crap, all right, she does,
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but when she gets in the car, if it's too
cold or too hot, that knob gets turned the whole
way the opposite. It gets shut off or gets turned
all the way on. There's no right down the middle.
And that's what Oklahoma needs to do. Instead of going
full Monty, most expensive tag in the country, how about
we just test the waters on a drawer, or test
the waters on a restriction on the number of bucks
(28:33):
people can kill. Instead, they just went air conditioned on
full fledge, right, like, come on, find a happy medium.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You say that because it's a it's great analogy, man.
But you know who really hurts most out of everybody
is me?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I hurt the most because.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm the idiot who is living in Oklahoma decides the
mood to Louisiana. And before he left the state of
Oklahoma did not get his kids lifetime hunting licenses. So
guess who's going to be the guy putting the bill
on this because his kids love hunting.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
This guy.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But but that's money well spent. It's gonna hurt it is.
And here the other side of that too, is you
got to check yourself when you go, because if you
don't fill a tag naturally, it's going to hurt that
much more knowing you drop five grand on three hunts
three hunts, so and I know that you will.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You're not You're not a re overreactor like I am. No, no,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But but but truth be told, like you have a
lot more on the line now, and you know frankly
that that ought to not that ought not apply to
a youth. I think that if if you really want
to get down to separating out what's fair, uh, I'm
down with, Okay, what do we spend before three hunt?
I feel like three point thirty was about what we spent.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think about what right, what it was?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I feel like a bump to four hundred not only
would increase a tremendous amount of revenue. Bump to four
hundred limited to one buck, Yeah, you've you've accomplished the
same thing I would have.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I would totally be on board with that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
But but see, here's the deal is that that when
you start to do draws, you've got to figure out
some type of formula where it's not a one in
five or a one in seven or whatever it is.
I mean, man, if you're one every two years, you
get a draw every one to two years.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean max three years during rifle.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe that's what I feel like you're doing because what
what happens is and it's not I hate to advertise stuff,
but it's relevant to the topic. Is take the Witch
Tall Mountain elk hunt for example, it's a lifetime like
once in a lifetime draw like, so if you draw once,
you're you're done for life.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, like, you go out there and you watch these
people go through and it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like when I I was there, man, the average age
of person was like fifty seven and higher because these
guys have been putting in for years and years and years,
never getting drawn ever. And then I'll finally they hit
old age and they finally have enough points to finally draw,
(31:20):
and they can barely make it up the mountain, right.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And it's that's that's the case. I think with a
lot of the states that have other big game opportunities
and once in a lifetime draws, you just run the
risk of not drawing. And you know, I have a
buddy that put in for two years, two or three
years for the North Dakota moose hunt and he drew
on his third try, you know. And then there's other
guys that are sixty years old every year and never drawn.
So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is,
(31:44):
and I'll be honest here in this podcast, like I
have not read the fine print. I was not in
the meetings the Oklahoma Game and Fish Department or DNR
whatever they have, I'm not I wasn't in those meetings,
but I know the end result was probably I think
it was created because of lack of experience. It was
created because they feel like they need to manage something better,
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and they probably do. I don't know that. I think
they picked the lesser of two evils, meaning they didn't
affect the resident hunters, so they aren't going to hear
from their constituents. They affected the non resident hunters that
don't have a say in the elections. So if you
think about it for a second, if the state of
Oklahoma worked to go to one buck, there'd probably be
a protest somewhere. There'd be enough people complaining about that.
(32:30):
But here in Minnesota, that's what we got. We get
one buck in Minnesota as a resident, whether that's an
archery muzzleload, rifle, shotgun, whatever season that you go. You're
only allowed one buck.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, well I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I don't love that, But if that's the game we're
going to play by, then then that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So will I will tell you this much.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
If they went to a one buck system, the telepoach
system will be in full effect.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well, there's gonna be okay. So, back in the day
when I was implemented the Register your Harvest program, there
was a tremendous amount of blowback. I'm not giving a
government more information than they need too much.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Big brother blah blah already got everything, trust me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So it's like there's gonna be a temporary blowback of disobedience,
and I think that's the case with any type of game.
In fish regulation, it would be permanent for me. If
they ban cell cameras, I'd be an outlaw and probably
locked up somewhere. But the reality is it would eventually
take hold and the state's heard would benefit because of that.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So and Kevin, there are probably numbers of Oklahoma hunters
that know the details and say this guy doesn't know
he's talking about and that might be the case, but
what I do know. But what I do know is
further regulation that impacts one side is going to have
a negative impact on the overall revenue. If it's a
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little bit more spread out, a little bit more well
thought out, a little bit softer, if you will, then
I think that more money is to be had by
bumping it up to four hundred dollars. And every individual
that lives in or travels to Oklahoma hunts allowed one buck,
and I think problems solved it.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I don't have a problem with one buck state like,
it makes you shoot the exact one you want to
go after, So I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Hey, all right, I'm gonna tie everything together here. I
just thought of this, you ready, stand bys. So we
talked last week about ford facing, sonar and trail cameras
and that the work of the older generation paved the
way to that success, right, and that needs that needs
to be a tip of the hat, needs to be
a nod. You need to understand that people came before
(34:48):
you that laid the groundwork to make you more successful
on the water in the woods. Well, I think the
deer herds across the country are in a similar situation
that we've gotten better at harvesting deer. There's more information
out there than ever before. And I bet you'd agree
that the good old days of deer hunting, at least
(35:08):
in Iowa, we're in the early two thousands, we'll say too.
Ninety nine through twos were some of the best years
Iowa ever put out. Now, year over year, top end
trophy output has increased because there's more smart hunters. There's
more hunters willing to pass those one hundred and seventy
and four year olds because they see the potential of
the following year.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I'm not that guy, but be that guy either. I'm sorry,
but I.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Think I think we've reached the peak and deer hunting
almost we're close to the pinnacle of what is going
to be available for everybody. That social media has put
the pressure on somebody to shoot a deer so they
can post something to brag. And I think that a
lot of these people aren't necessarily to the point of
(35:52):
being a landowner where they have a leg to stand
on on management statewide, so people travel, they they hunt
public access. It's going on in Kansas too, We've got
a lot of this walk in area. There's a lot
of opportunity to hunt. But I think that harvest rates
have impacted deer numbers more than anything else. And we've
been living in this comfortable chasm of two bucks and
(36:16):
multiple dose and that's going to have a long term impact.
Or if you're hammered with a terrible ice storm or
a rough winner, that's going to compound that situation when
really we should be looking at tag sales, we should
be looking at deer registration. Pull back on that a
little bit. I think that's probably here in Minnesota, we
got a whole other problem and we should touch on
(36:37):
it briefly. But here in Minnesota, wolves are being deemed
the worst thing to ever happen to Minnesota's deer hunting.
They are a bad thing, and I'm in full support
to shoot them all. We've talked about this, but we
need to pull back harvest numbers. We need to restrict
hunters a little bit more, because if you say kill
(36:58):
them all for a long period of time, that's what
they're going to do. Oh yeah, it's sometimes it's hard
to move away from that.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But well, it happened in the American buffalo.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You're absolutely right, So maybe we take a step back,
think about what we evaluate, reevaluate tag numbers and tag availability,
and maybe that's what the problem is.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
It might be I don't know, but I'll just tell
you as much. Oklahoma, go home. You're drunk.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's it. You're you're wasted.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Dude. I was trying. I was hoping so bad. They
were going to school Texas this last weekend. I know
this is not a We're a couple of weeks beyond
that by the time we listen to this, But man, man,
they're not the powerhouse they used to be.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't know what's going on. I can tell you
this much. It really hurts to see it.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It hurts. It hurts, It hurts deep inside. But you
know what, I don't have to worry about anymore. Like
I don't have to worry about it in the deer
standing going Oh, I hope they win this week. I
don't care, Like I don't care win lose, and it
doesn't matter to me, Like it has no play on
my mood anymore, on my hunt, Like I get to
(38:12):
live a stress free life because they suck.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Well, it's not been that way in my house. Oh gosh,
my son, we we had to sit down. I had
to talk a little bit about letting things affect us
that we cannot change. And uh, that Vanderbilt game against Alabama,
like he blew a gasket. I mean I think he
might have pulled a hammy stomping around.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
My gosh, like you're not a part of the team.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's not we, he says.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
And I've been caught doing that myself. But you know what,
I'm gonna find a funny segue here. Okay, this whole
this is what our problem is. This is this is cultural.
It's deeper than deer hunting. It's deeper than football. But
the nil thing that's going on within college football, I
think is decaying the quality of college and it is
I think long term we're going to see negative ramifications
(39:04):
where it's just become another pro sport and it's minor leagues.
It's but the same thing's going on in hunting. You
have social media that prevent or provides a platform for
you to be somebody. And the bigger deer you kill,
the more somebody you are, the more turkeys or ducks
you pile up, the more somebody you are, the better
tournament finishes you have, the more somebody you're going to be.
(39:26):
And I think it all comes from entitlement that our
culture has breeded into us that we are all equal
and Kevin, by God, we're not. And that's what makes
it great, is that we have the opportunity to be
individuals and be as good as we can possibly be
and get rewarded for being as good as we can achieve.
But I don't want I would never want to be
(39:47):
the kind of guy that takes from that guy because
I'm jealous of what he's got home. I'd rather celebrate
his success, learn from him, and build my own.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Unless it's Vanderbilt right.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Roll tide, they carry those good poles four miles down
the road.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh all right, Thomas Allen. Folks like always love having
you on, man, I sure do appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
It's always fun. I appreciate you. Let me rant I
feel better.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
All right, Gun Talk Hunters. That is it for this
episode of gun Talk.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hunt as always more important than ever, keep those muzzles
pointing in a safe direction that I'll always be on
the hunt.
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