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-- Federal judge rules that the Illinois ban on semi-auto rifles and standard-capacity magazines violated the Second Amendment. Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation explains where it goes from here.
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-- Federal judge rules that the Illinois ban on semi-auto rifles and standard-capacity magazines violated the Second Amendment. Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation explains where it goes from here.
-- You never know the hidden stories veterans have. A celebration of America's veterans.
-- Trump can take down the "No Guns" signs on federal buildings and Post Offices.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
I we're just still smiling. I'll tell you're having a
lot of fun after this election. I'm watching the massive
mandate that Donald Trump got without this election, but also
Republicans in charge of the Senate. And we just had
Steve Scalis on he's the House majority leader, and he said, look,
don't worry about it. The GOP is going to be
(00:33):
in charge. They're going to win the House. So the
Republicans are going to be in charge of the House,
the Senate and the Hawaii House. And the question is
what can they get done quickly because basically you got
maybe two years, not really that much, and then typically
the pendulum swings the other way and swings pretty hard.
We'll see what happens here. May not, but typically that's
(00:57):
what happens in the midterms. Pretty interesting stuff. But in
the meantime, things are still happening on the gun rights
front out there, and to get an update on that,
let's bring in Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation. Allan,
you had a good week yourself, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh, it's a great week on multiple victories, tom So, Yeah,
who can complain? I mean, I guess on the gun
rights front, the big thing is Illinois, where we just
got a federal court ruling knocking down they are so
called ban on soul weapons and high capacity magazines and
that it was a great ruling. We expected it and
(01:33):
we expected to win on it, and so did Illinois
cauld They ort to file a notice of appeal, but
that's when it's going to go up to chain, along
with a lot of the other victories against the sulvan
bands that we currently have in other states.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I know people are going to say, oh, I
don't want to do that, but I would say this
if they can get a copy of this court decision
from Judge Stephen McGlenn, federal judge. It is a work
of art. How he is a explain the Second Amendment,
where it came from, and what it means, and how
it doesn't mean what the gun banners say, and he
(02:06):
goes through what semi automatic guns are and they're not
machine guns, and he understands guns and just you just
to go on and on you're thinking, man, this judge
gets it. And now obviously it gets appeal to the
Seventh Circuit and people have said, well, you know they're
going to overturn that. Well maybe not, because they're going
to get a new panel, this time, three judge panel.
(02:27):
We'll see what happens. But this is important. This is
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's a very big deal, and it goes with other
rulings similar that we've had. There's a circuit split on
the sulvent bands and so this is a case. It
probably will be at the Supreme Court before we know it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And of course we've got the Snope case. It's now
called used to be called Biyanki, but the change the
name the Snope case coming out of Maryland, and that
one has been appeal to the Supreme Court. They're going
to discuss it in conference next month. So we might
get a decision on that in January. And so the
current Supreme Court makeup would be the one to hear that,
(03:06):
which brings us to the back to the election and
the ability of Donald Trump to nominate and the current
Senate to approve some more people or different people to
the Supreme Court. That's as big as anything.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Honestly, it most definitely is.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And to me, it's not just the Supreme Court, it's
the appeals courts in the lower courts as well, because
there's a lot of vacancies. I'm not sure, but I
just read something where they expect Trump in his first
term the first couple of years to be able to
point over one hundred news federal judges, and that's going
to be extremely important as well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And then of course you have the ability to put
in a new Attorney General to do some sweeping changes
at the Department of Justice. And let us not forget
the ATF is sitting there ready to be completely revamped
or who knows, wouldn't it be great if they could
just say, poof, you're gone.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, sometimes be careful what you wish for, because left
or not, if you got rid of the tom as
you probably know, if you got rid of the ATF,
the laws, the gun laws are still in the books,
so some other agencies can enforce them, and like I said,
would be they might go to somebody like directly to
the FBI, which has a bigger budget, more personnel, and
couldn't force those laws more harshly against legitimate gun owners.
(04:27):
So I think the thing right now is not necessarily
a bot of ATF, but new to it a little bit.
Get rid of the head of the ATF who's not
our friend, and bring in more gun friendly people who
who understand firearms to be working at the ATF.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Alan one of the thing if I wanted to have
you touch on, and it's something that we've mentioned before
and people may not be aware of. And earlier on
the show we had Jen Breeman from the entra ILA
on and we were talking about the fact that ILA
actually works on some cases court cases with Secondmentment Foundation,
(05:04):
which works with FPC, which works with GOA, all the
gun rights groups. Yeah, there's something a little competition between
for membership, but when it comes to working on the cases,
a lot of times they're working together, are they not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Almost definitely. We have cases with GOA right now as
a co plaintiff, and a Fire's Policy Coalition and the NRA.
Sometimes all of us are on the same brief. You know,
sometimes only a few of the groups are there. But
that's most definite. Whenever it's in the interest of the
gun rights community, we work with everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, and I know that there are people who say well,
you know, you're in competition, and you hear the same thing. Now,
are that's your competition? You go? Now, yeah, maybe a
little bit on membership, but in terms of working the
issues or working the cause, everybody is moving in generally
the same direction.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Most definitely, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
That the case.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We know, you got to have a wish list, and
you're saying, okay, now we get control of you know, House, Senate,
White House, what's your wish list? What would you like
to see?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Don Well, first of all, I could question your listeners
that we're not going to see any team probably in
the first thirty days or so. There's an awful lot
on Trump's plate that he made promises to people that
get done quickly, like the border, like the economy. You know,
I'm sure he's concerned about his own legal problems getting
rid of some of those and other things that that
that matters that they can have a successful four year run.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
In the White House.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
So don't expect it too quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But I think it's very possible that in the first
thirty days, right after shortly thereafter, all of Biden's anti
gun executive orders and administrative access are going to bite
to desk because of the stroke of a pen.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Frump can take care of those and these pretty.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Much to do that. Uh so that would be things
like like like bumpstock band like pistol braces, like the
being in the business what it means to be in
the business of selling guns. He could wipe out all those.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, most definitely. And I'm going to be at mar
Alago on Thursdays through Saturday, and so I'm going to
try to make sure that our agenda is moved up
the pike, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, that's terrific. I mean, if you if you're at
mar a Lago, you've got his ear. I mean, he's
going to be there at the same time.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm assuming, yeah, at least part of the time that
I will be there. But Sobil transition team and sold
a lot of ACHE leaders, a couple of cabinet members.
New cabinet members might also be there, so you know,
there's no doubt that I will have the ear of
lots of people.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you have any thoughts on who might be in
line or who you would like to be in line
for atf director.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I've got a couple favorite people that you know that
I know have worked with over the years that have
some interest in it. One of the problems getting people
to have the interest in it. A couple of my
first choices while Trump was president last time chose not
to and so that made it more difficult to find somebody.
You know, HTF has historically, you've been for the whoever
runs it has been a dead end street for the
(08:08):
rest of their career. So it's it's hard sometimes to
get people to want to take it. But yes, I
have some people, but I'm not going to mention names
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's probably best as long as you're just working the
inside the thing. It's nice to have people on the inside.
I actually had started the show off today with Steve
Scalise and so you talk about your ultimate insighter in
terms of getting things done. We're hoping that he can
work with you on that as well.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Me too.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Steve, It's is a phenomenal person as well as a
great member of Congress. He's a star wars for the
Second Amendment, for Secondmendment rights, and he's just one of
our key leaders well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And the fact that he was severely injured and shot
and came back and says, no, I don't support gun control,
so that has nothing to do with this. And if
that's just a bad guy with a gun, and he
often says, he says, look, my life was saved by
people with guns. Had two Capitol police officers with handguns
(09:06):
who took on and thwarted a guy with a rifle.
So yeah, you're right, he's as star wart as the guts.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, I'm so proud that he's there, and he's worked
for so many years for us, and it's what he
does behind the scenes that people don't even know about.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's so important.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, same thing with you, my friend. A lot of
this stuff you do, people don't know you're working with this,
They don't know you're going to Morrow Lago, that you're
whispering the right ears. And you've been doing that for oh,
let's say fifty years now.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, time goes fast, but it's been a great run.
And I've love di interfacing with your listeners over those
fifty years, and thank you for all you do.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You as well, Tom, Well, I appreciate that. But you
have fifty years for the Second Amendment Foundation and growing
like crazy now I gather.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, I'm a little worried to growing my slow down
now a little bit, and mostly growth is come because
for all sixty loss if we've got going on around
the country, but with Trump in the White House and
Republicans to control of the House and Senate and our
friendly Supreme Court, a lot of gun unders think, well,
maybe now I go back to sleep again for a while.
And I sure hope that's not the case. Is that
we'll put up some brakes on our growth.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's a good point. It's actually now's the time to
press that pedal down to the floor, put the pedal
to the metal, and accelerate because you have a more
clear pathway to get things done. It's not the time
to back off. We actually need more people joining, more
people making donations, and more people getting involved.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, we do, but unfortunately historically in the fifty years
have done this. Gun owners tend to do better when
we're on defense rather than on the offense. So when
the rights are being attacked, they're right there on the
front line. But when it's a chance to extend to
expand our rights we have, when we have the ball
in our court, they tend to go to sleep a
little bit. And so historically our warning signs that our
(10:53):
people only get engaged when they're directly attacked, directly attacked,
it's not going to be a taxis I mean to
be honest, Tom, the anti gunners are going to double down.
They know gun owners are responsible for trumping in the
White House. They want to get even with us, and
you know, their their agenda got smashed, and they're going
to come back to it at us, you know, twice
(11:15):
as hard, particularly in some of those battleground states. You
know the states were and as you know, close to
half of I mean we can half a dozen dozen
states with the Democrats and our opponents control the governor's
houses and the legislatures. So you know states thinking in California, Washington, Oregon,
you know New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, and Maryland. There's
(11:35):
a number of Hawaii. There's a number of states where
this battle is not going away. They're going to double down.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, no, exactly right. They are going to push harder
than ever and we can't back off at all. And
by the way, people should know, I know I've mentioned
it before, but if there wasn't an out and Gottlieb,
there wouldn't be a gun talk radio because this was
your suggestion, your ideas I blame you completely for this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, well I've kept you busy out of trouble for
a lot of years.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Now, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Had thirty years for gun talk.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Next year, man, God, I can't believe it. That's been
such a success. That's one of the biggest success stories
of the gun rights movement.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, I appreciate that, and I appreciate all that you
have done for a half a century for all of us.
Alan gotta leave the Second Amendment Foundation saf dot org.
Thanks so much. And look, go get them get down
there tomorrow lago and get the right people doing the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay, I promise, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
All right, you take care. What a good guy. Man.
That's good news too. He's gonna be down there working
with the insider with the transition teams, making the plans,
getting the agenda going. Oooh great Yo. All right now
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All over the country, people are acknowledging our military veterans.
Tomorrow is Veterans Day, eleven eleven, and today is also
the two hundred and forty ninth birthday of the United
States Marine Corps. So to all of my Marine buddies
out there, big O, Happy birthday for the Marine Corps.
(15:31):
Talking about veterans, a couple of stories, I want to
tell you we we always acknowledge everybody we do the
thanks for your service, and I tend to be a
little bit reluctant to throw that out there. I don't
know if it has become cliche. I don't know how
people react to it, but clearly I want to thank
everybody up. I did not serve, I've ever been in
(15:53):
the military, and I appreciate those who did there are.
And I've said this before, you never know what the
story is of the guy or the gal who you're meeting,
the person who's standing in line in front of you,
the old guy. You don't know where he's been and
what he's done, and often we'll never know. A couple
of stories I want to share with you. One is
(16:16):
a kind of a small one, but it's a personal one.
My dad World War Two. My father, Gritz was well,
I'll just put it clearly. He was a super athlete.
Letard in basketball, baseball, football. In baseball he batted five
point twenty two. Any sport it was, he was good
(16:39):
at it, it didn't matter. He's one of those guys
you hate because he's just good at everything. Enlisted in
the Army Air Corps World War Two and probably should
have been out there shooting things are flying airplanes because
he was so good at things. But the problem was
he was also a really smart kid. Actually set records
(17:01):
in academic performance at LSU. So the Army Air Corps
took him and put him into training, first meteorology and
then teaching radar because he was smart. Okay, So he
served out in the US. He didn't go overseas at all,
and after the war he came out with a wife
(17:23):
and kids and all the rest of it and enjoyed
his life, had a great life. Where I'm going with
this is what people gave up in service and do
give up in service. After my dad died because we
had never known this, never a word about it. We're
(17:47):
going through his private stuff, sorting it all out, and
my daughter actually found it, small card piece of paper
that right after World War Two, my dad was signed
by the Chicago Cubs to play baseball for the Cubs
and never did. He was married at kids, and you
(18:10):
couldn't really make any money playing baseball, certainly not starting
off at the miners and then working your way up.
What was interesting to me about that he loved baseball.
I mean, like I said, he was a super athlete.
The fact that he never told us about being signed
by the Cubs to me indicates how much it hurt
(18:33):
and what he felt like. He lost, you know, and
willingly for the service of the country, but came out
a different person. His plans changed completely. Small thing, not
a big thing, But I want to combine that with
this other story I just picked up today. So a
fella online posted this, and I'm just going to read
it because it does tell you a lot about some
(18:56):
of our veterans. He says, I had a VFW hung
out with at more Croft, Wyoming. There was an old
World War Two vet that would come in and have
three beers a day. I love that. I got to
know him and we became friends. He told everyone that
he was a cook. He died at the age of
(19:19):
ninety one. His daughter asked me to help her with
the house. We started cleaning up his things and in
the closet is his old uniform and on the shoulder
is a blue diamond that was the old original Ranger patch.
In his drawer was his silver star, two bronzes and
(19:50):
two purple hearts. Cook my ass. And no one ever
knew because he told anybody, Like I say, you never
know the story there. I guess all that to say
for all the veterans, Yeah, thank you for your service.
(20:15):
We cannot know what you did, we cannot know what
you had to endure. All we can do is say thanks.
So we've got veterans. They come around tomorrow, and of
course it's people are celebrating it this weekend, wearing camouflage,
doing whatever, whatever you do. It's okay to single out
(20:39):
people and say thanks. It's okay to say something publicly.
And also just never forget, don't assume anything about that person.
That the old guy in front of you. He may
be the one who wore the ranger patch and has
a silver star and two bronzes and two purple hearts
(21:01):
and tells everybody that he was a cook. Yeah, I
like this guy says cook my ass. Yeah he was something,
but he wasn't a cook. More than likely there are
a few people I know who are like that and
pretty hard to get them to tell their stories. Or
(21:23):
if someone said verse, if the people are telling you
their story, maybe that's not really their story. You never know.
I guess all I want to do is say, just
from me personally, I want to thank you. I appreciate
the Marines. I appreciate the soldiers there him in the Navy.
Wherever you were, whatever you did, it was part of
the package. Whether you were overseas or whether you were here,
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whether you were support or whether you were the family
of it all makes a difference. It lets us sleep
warm and safely in our homes at night, with a
lot of people in other parts of the world can't
and don't. So just whatever that's worth. My thoughts for
(22:06):
our veterans as we celebrate a Veterans Day. We appreciate
you more than you will ever know. Thank you so much.
I just got emailed from Gordy. Hey, just listen to
Gun Talk. Heard you talk about doing GT thirty guns. Yeah,
(22:26):
he says, we're to ask you to keep us left
handed and left eye dominant guys in mind. Well, you
know I shoot left eye dominant, so I shoot left
shoulder for long guns and right handed for handguns. But
Gordy is saying, you really would like to have a
pistol with an Ambi slide release in addition to an
AMBI mag release. Not do worry, Gordy, We're gonna have
(22:53):
something you like. Let me just leave it like that. Okay,
you never know what we're up to around here is
eight six to six talk Gun Let's see line four.
I got Gary out of Conway, Arkansas. Gary, what's this
out here about crows?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, I think there's gonna be a shortage next year
for crows season because the Democrats are gonna be eating
a lot of crews.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh I never saw that coming. The other problem is
if in order to eat crow, you gotta admit that
you made a mistake. And I don't hear that happening.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
Well, that's the top line right here there.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I thought for sure you're gonna be shooting crows or
something was going on with crows. Man. You got me
on that one. That was good. All right, Thank you, sir.
I appreciate that call. Let's go grab Tom and Fargo,
North Dakota. Hey Tom, you're on gun talk. What's happening?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yes, sir, so, I worked for a company for quite
a while and we tested I r S agents being
SF and other and I've had countless background checks done
on myself law enforcement, and I just wanted to encourage
that guy. Sometimes it takes a while. I've had nick
before and it does. I just wanted to concur with you.
Sometimes it takes a little while. But and similar names.
(24:18):
I've had people with similar names with me or something
flags or something coming up. But I just wouldn't encourage
that guy to stick it out because he'll get it.
He'll get it done.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, good info. I appreciate that, thank you, sir. I'm
reminded of when I lived up in Glaska back in
the day when we would write checks at stores, and
several times I'd write a check and the clerk would
take it and kind of go in the back and
manager becomes storming out, and I thought, man, we got him.
(24:52):
Now there's a guy named Tom Gresham who was passing
bag checks like crazy. And I mean, I got to
know him, if you will enough where I say, yeah, no, Look,
his middle initial is this and my middle initial is that,
and I'm not the same guy. But there's that old
same name deal. I'm pretty sure, Okay, this is weird story,
(25:15):
but I got to share this with you. I don't
think I've ever told this. I'm pretty sure he was
the same guy involved in this deal. I was on
a trip. We do a lot of traveling for business.
And while I was gone, and get a letter addressed
to me, and my wife always takes care of the mail,
and she opens it up. It's a letter from a
woman and she said, you know, I know we've been
(25:36):
seeing each other for quite a while and just I
don't think it's working out really well, and you know,
we're going to have to break up. And my wife
is reading this letter from this woman to me, and
fortunately at the end of it, she says something to
the effective and when you get out of prison, I
won't be here. Holy yah. But for a little while
(25:58):
there there was like probably a little going on or
she's reading this story is a letter from this woman
that's going to break up with me. But I think
it's probably the same guy. But you talk about interesting
identities and having the same name as somebody, that kind
of a thing. Wow, you know, stuff happens. Just don't
get worked up about it. Go through the process. There's
(26:20):
a process for appealing if you get delayed or denied,
and you go back and work with the next background check.
It is one of the things I like about a
state where I am in Idaho. If you have the
conceal carry permit, they don't even submit to the FBI.
(26:42):
You just show the card, your conceal carry card, and
that suffices to take care of the knixt check and
so you just get your gun and you walk out
with it and you're good to go. So if you're
in a state like that, that might be reason enough
for you to get your seal carry permit, especially if
you tend to get more than one gun a year.
(27:04):
Is I tend to man I could tell we got
some cool stuff coming. We get to we and I'm
not down there much anymore, but down in Louisiana at
the rains Ready Studios, we get to try out all
these new cool guns and all the new stuff that's
(27:24):
coming out. So that well, what they do is they
send us the guns in advance and we sign an NDA,
a non disclosure agreement, and that way we can do
videos on them and have produced the videos and have
them ready to go. So on the day of release,
everything's embargoed until then. On the day of release, we
can put out the video. Otherwise, if they didn't send
(27:46):
us the gun until the day of release, it would
be it could be weeks before we get a video out,
or at least a few days. So we get the
heads up a lot of this stuff. So that's why
sometimes I'll start to talk about a gun and go, oh, wait,
is that one I can talk about yet? And in fact,
I had to send a note to Ryan this week.
I said, when is X going to be released? What's
(28:06):
the release date of that? Okay, good deal, got that?
So that's going to be happening. There's some really interesting
stuff going on. But by the way, and I mentioned
that the Savage now has twenty two lever action rifles.
Lever actions just continue to be more and more popular.
I'm not sure I even understand why that is or
what's going on with that, but people love lever actions,
(28:29):
and so I mean I do too. One of the
coolest things if you haven't done this, if you have
a lever action, A lot of them are now coming
with a threaded barrel. And I know it looks goofy
and it's not traditional, but if you put a suppressure
on a lever action rifle, and if you particular if
you're using subsonic loads, whether it be twenty two or
(28:49):
like thirty eight Special or forty five cult, it's subsonic
because it's not a semiato where the action's opening and
you get gas and sound coming out of the action
when it opens and it's operating. It's basically a fixed breach.
At least it's a closed breach, so all the gas
goes out through the suppressor. Those things are incredibly quiet.
(29:10):
So a lever action using a handgun cartridge with a
suppressor is just fun. And I think people have figured
that out, so there's a lot of interest now off
part of those and a lot of these lever actions
are coming kind of tactical setups, black guns with rails
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and all the rest of it. You know, if it's
not for you, that's fine, gets you one with the
walnut stock. But if it is more power to you,
remember this stuff is supposed to be just about having
fun going out to the range or maybe even doing
some hunting with the stuff. So there you go, eight
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
Did you ever see something that's just pure goofy and
yet you think I like that? I think I might
have to have that. I just got an email. I
clicked on it. Boom, there it is Exothermic Technologies pulse fire.
You'd be an underbarrel flamethrower. Yes, you attached this thing
(32:41):
to the I'm sorry, the underside of your ar and
it's a flamethrower. No, it makes no sense at all,
except that wouldn't that be fun? Holy cow? Oh my gosh,
let's grab Greg online one out of helling them on
(33:03):
town and Greg thanks for calling in here. What's your
wish list for the new administration?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I'd like to see them take those stupid signs down
at the post office and and the Forest Service ranger
stations that say you know, no weapons. You know, if
somebody really wanted to shoot a postal worker, a stupid
sign ain't gonna stop them.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You know, no, it's not gun free signs don't work anyway.
There actually are some lawsuits underway right now on the
post office deal. But I agree with you. And I
think that's probably something that Trump could do on his own,
just with an executive order and say, yeah, no, take
them down. Just because it is federally owned or it's
(33:46):
a federal building doesn't mean it should be gone free.
We'll do away with that. So I think that's that's
a very real possibility.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Service Office too. You know, there's no reason to have
it up in the Forest Service office.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh, I agree, that's that's just Greaty. You can carry
on four Service property, but not in the buildings. It's
like with the Park Service. You can carry in national parks,
but not in buildings on national parks.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Well, here's a fun one. You know, those those all
the old four service fire lookouts that you know, you
got to climb up the stairs and everything. There's the
little glass cabin up on top where the fire observer
would be lookout. Yeah, the lookout, and you can, you
(34:32):
know a lot of times either rent those, you know,
to live in them yourself, or you can visit, you know,
and that kind of stuff. So I went up one
of those towers and I get up and I go
inside the building and there's a sign that says no
guns on the inside of the glass, not at the
bottom of the.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Sires, right, they make you climb all the way up. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
And there's another one by the way. About the election,
John Tester, we finally got rid of him. Good John
Tim she Tim Sheh, endorsed by the NRA, won the election,
and John Tester basically led his way out of a
job because because of all the lives that he told
(35:19):
about Tim Sheehy.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'm glad you got
rid of him, and I'm glad you got Tim in there.
Well done. Yeah. By the way, they and thank you
for the call that those four service lookout towers and
make really good tree stands. I've just made that up. Dan.
Dan's in Standpoint, Idaho on three. Hey Dan, you're on
gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
What's happening, Yes, sir, Two things. I've got a hunting
report for you, and then I have a quick question
for you.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
But the other day I shot a nice sat doe
at three hundred and fifty yards with a seventy five grain.
Two two three worked great, She ran a little bit
fell over and it was a nice successful So two
two three you'll definitely stack them in the freezer. If
you know, if that's what.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You got, Yes, if that you got and you're using
a good bullet.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yep, those horned you bullets. I did some looking at them.
The front about quarter inch of the bullet is hollow.
There's no leading and it's just the jacket. So when
it hits that kind of deforms and it grabs and
they'll spin. And I have a shot deer where I
have on the opposite side the bullet going through sideways
through the outside ches.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Whoa nice Okay, well done?
Speaker 6 (36:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So what I'm going to help you with?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
So my mom's getting a little bit older, and I
was wondering, how do you know, because you know your
dad got older and start having some memory issues, how
do you know when's the time to take the home
defense gun out of the house.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's hard. So it's like, when do you tell them
they can't drive anymore? You got to use your best judgment.
And I don't know when you know. I will tell
you this this I do believe. I think it's probably
a little bit sooner than you think. Because people get
(37:11):
really good at covering because they know they're cognitively going
downhill and they cover and it's hard sometimes to see it.
If you're starting to have the conversation in your head,
you're starting to think about it, it's time to start
thinking about it and maybe maybe come up with an alternative.
And here's the pepper spray, here's something else. It's it's difficult.
(37:34):
It's a hard, hard thing to do. And I wish
I had something concrete to tell you, but I don't
think anybody does. What are you seeing right now?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Just some memory loss a little bit and nothing too crazy.
But it just made me go, okay, you know, that's
something I need to look into. So I'm ahead of
the curve.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You're not there yet, then, just but at least being
aware of it as smart and keep you know, having
the conversation. You know, And honestly, here's a question for you.
Have the conversation with her. Say look, mom, I think
you're losing a step here. Everything's still okay, and be upfront,
don't beat around the bush, and you never know she
may say, okay, yeah, I'm not real comfortable having this
gun here now, and maybe you know, she may make
(38:18):
it easier for you. Just food for thought here. Look,
I got a scowed. I appreciate the call. I wish
I had a better answer for you. It is tough.
Let me just tell you've been through that. Dad had
Alzheimer's when we went down that road all the way.
It's hard on everybody. And I don't you know the
car being able to take care of yourself. The guns
(38:39):
are part of that. It's the whole part of the package.
But at least you're thinking about it and talk to
other people, you know, figure out, you know, how did
they go about it, Use whatever support network you have.
It really makes it better and maybe slightly easier. This
(39:01):
is actually a good question. Don called in. Didn't want
to be on the air, but he's got a friend's
got a roomage in seventy four hundred. That's the Semiato rifle, says.
The bolt keeps getting stuck. He's wondering if it's dirty. Michelle,
talk to him about it. Semiato's, by their very nature,
(39:21):
need to be cleaned. The dirtier they get, the more
you're going to induce malfunctions. That's true of pistols, shotguns,
rifles that depend upon the energy of the fired cartridge
to for the bolt or slide to go back and
forth and pick up around as it gets dirtier, it
slows down the velocity of the bolt or the slide
(39:44):
as it gets gunked up, and at a certain point
has lost enough velocity, doesn't go all the way back
or won't pick up the round. Do you have a
failure to feed or a faire to eject? Cleaning your
gun is good? I mean it's not fine. Well, it's
kind of fine. It can't be fun. Get good gun
cleaning products. Don't go using dextron transmission fluid or whatever.
(40:09):
Everybody wants to come up with their own thing. There
are a ton of really good products. I go to
brown Els for all that stuff. Brownels dot com. They
have really good gun cleaning products and good lubricants. I
like to have a small tube of molly grease Lobdanum
disulfide grease. Use a little bit of that on slides
and on bolts, just helps slick them up. If you're
(40:32):
having trouble with the semiauto and it's not functioning right,
try running it dry. See if it'll run that way.
Some of them run really well dry. Some need a
little bit of loops, some need a lot of loop.
And you got to got to figure out what your
gun needs or likes. But the first thing is to
clean it thoroughly. I mean, take it apart, really seriously
clean it. If you have either yourself or a friend
(40:54):
who has an ultrasodic cleaner, use that. You can soak
it in there and use that. It'll really clean it out.
But having a clean gun is imperative for reliability, which
is important for hunting, which could save your life when
it comes to a self defense gun. We wear these guns.
They get gunk on them, you know, they get stuff
all the time, and a lot of times we wear
(41:14):
a gun for weeks or months at a time without
cleaning it. Cleaning a semi auto back pistol is really
simple and easy. You know, pop slide off, pup a
barrel out, you know, get a toothowle, toothbrush, clean it
all outlub it up, put it back together. You need
to make that part of your routine. I mean, don't
be like those guys just say I forget am I
supposed to clean my gun on even years or odd years.
(41:36):
That's not really a good process, not a good procedure.
Just make it a part of your deal. And look
and if you have a red dot, if you have
an optic on your carry pistol. That's more maintenance. You
got to clean it more often. You got to make
sure that the screen is clean, probably once a week.
You got to clean that thing with Q tip or
alcohol or whatever. You got to make sure that you
(41:58):
have a process for changing out the battery. Says the
batters last for a year, change them every six months.
It's only your life that you're betting everything on here.
It's one of the reasons some people say I just
use iron sights. Hey, that's cool, whatever you want to do.
But if you do, go with more stuff on your gun, lights,
red dots, et cetera. Now you have maintenance, routine maintenance
(42:21):
of batteries and checking it and cleaning it and making
sure everything works the way it's supposed to. Very simple
as that. Hey, if you're to join us for a
conversation about the election, give me a call right now.
We'll talk about it during the after show. We can
knock it around a little bit, fair enough. I just
got to tell you I have been smiling ever since
I got back from camp on Wednesday. I also had
(42:42):
a lot of fun going to places like CNN and
MSNBC and watching the tears flowing. They're kind of in
the part now where they've decided to be resistors. They're
going to resist the effort, which means they don't accept
the election, of course, which means they don't accept the
will of the people. Gee, now us it doesn't really matter. Hey,
(43:03):
look seriously, when it comes down to is we won. Now,
we've got to do something with this while we have
the White House, the House, and the Senate. We'll give
you some more updates on that as we go along.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
I we're just still smiling. I'll tell you're having a
lot of fun after this election. I'm watching the massive
mandate that Donald Trump got without this election, but also
Republicans in charge of the Senate. And we just had
Steve Scalis on he's the House majority leader, and he said, look,
don't worry about it. The GOP is going to be
(00:33):
in charge. They're going to win the House. So the
Republicans are going to be in charge of the House,
the Senate and the Hawaii House. And the question is
what can they get done quickly because basically you got
maybe two years, not really that much, and then typically
the pendulum swings the other way and swings pretty hard.
We'll see what happens here. May not, but typically that's
(00:57):
what happens in the midterms. Pretty interesting stuff. But in
the meantime, things are still happening on the gun rights
front out there, and to get an update on that,
let's bring in Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation. Allan,
you had a good week yourself, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh, it's a great week on multiple victories, tom So, Yeah,
who can complain? I mean, I guess on the gun
rights front, the big thing is Illinois, where we just
got a federal court ruling knocking down they are so
called ban on soul weapons and high capacity magazines and
that it was a great ruling. We expected it and
(01:33):
we expected to win on it, and so did Illinois
cauld They ort to file a notice of appeal, but
that's when it's going to go up to chain, along
with a lot of the other victories against the sulvan
bands that we currently have in other states.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I know people are going to say, oh, I
don't want to do that, but I would say this
if they can get a copy of this court decision
from Judge Stephen McGlenn, federal judge. It is a work
of art. How he is a explain the Second Amendment,
where it came from, and what it means, and how
it doesn't mean what the gun banners say, and he
(02:06):
goes through what semi automatic guns are and they're not
machine guns, and he understands guns and just you just
to go on and on you're thinking, man, this judge
gets it. And now obviously it gets appeal to the
Seventh Circuit and people have said, well, you know they're
going to overturn that. Well maybe not, because they're going
to get a new panel, this time, three judge panel.
(02:27):
We'll see what happens. But this is important. This is
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's a very big deal, and it goes with other
rulings similar that we've had. There's a circuit split on
the sulvent bands and so this is a case. It
probably will be at the Supreme Court before we know it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And of course we've got the Snope case. It's now
called used to be called Biyanki, but the change the
name the Snope case coming out of Maryland, and that
one has been appeal to the Supreme Court. They're going
to discuss it in conference next month. So we might
get a decision on that in January. And so the
current Supreme Court makeup would be the one to hear that,
(03:06):
which brings us to the back to the election and
the ability of Donald Trump to nominate and the current
Senate to approve some more people or different people to
the Supreme Court. That's as big as anything.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Honestly, it most definitely is.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And to me, it's not just the Supreme Court, it's
the appeals courts in the lower courts as well, because
there's a lot of vacancies. I'm not sure, but I
just read something where they expect Trump in his first
term the first couple of years to be able to
point over one hundred news federal judges, and that's going
to be extremely important as well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And then of course you have the ability to put
in a new Attorney General to do some sweeping changes
at the Department of Justice. And let us not forget
the ATF is sitting there ready to be completely revamped
or who knows, wouldn't it be great if they could
just say, poof, you're gone.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, sometimes be careful what you wish for, because left
or not, if you got rid of the tom as
you probably know, if you got rid of the ATF,
the laws, the gun laws are still in the books,
so some other agencies can enforce them, and like I said,
would be they might go to somebody like directly to
the FBI, which has a bigger budget, more personnel, and
couldn't force those laws more harshly against legitimate gun owners.
(04:27):
So I think the thing right now is not necessarily
a bot of ATF, but new to it a little bit.
Get rid of the head of the ATF who's not
our friend, and bring in more gun friendly people who
who understand firearms to be working at the ATF.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Alan one of the thing if I wanted to have
you touch on, and it's something that we've mentioned before
and people may not be aware of. And earlier on
the show we had Jen Breeman from the entra ILA
on and we were talking about the fact that ILA
actually works on some cases court cases with Secondmentment Foundation,
(05:04):
which works with FPC, which works with GOA, all the
gun rights groups. Yeah, there's something a little competition between
for membership, but when it comes to working on the cases,
a lot of times they're working together, are they not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Almost definitely. We have cases with GOA right now as
a co plaintiff, and a Fire's Policy Coalition and the NRA.
Sometimes all of us are on the same brief. You know,
sometimes only a few of the groups are there. But
that's most definite. Whenever it's in the interest of the
gun rights community, we work with everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, and I know that there are people who say well,
you know, you're in competition, and you hear the same thing. Now,
are that's your competition? You go? Now, yeah, maybe a
little bit on membership, but in terms of working the
issues or working the cause, everybody is moving in generally
the same direction.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Most definitely, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
That the case.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We know, you got to have a wish list, and
you're saying, okay, now we get control of you know, House, Senate,
White House, what's your wish list? What would you like
to see?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Don Well, first of all, I could question your listeners
that we're not going to see any team probably in
the first thirty days or so. There's an awful lot
on Trump's plate that he made promises to people that
get done quickly, like the border, like the economy. You know,
I'm sure he's concerned about his own legal problems getting
rid of some of those and other things that that
that matters that they can have a successful four year run.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
In the White House.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
So don't expect it too quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But I think it's very possible that in the first
thirty days, right after shortly thereafter, all of Biden's anti
gun executive orders and administrative access are going to bite
to desk because of the stroke of a pen.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Frump can take care of those and these pretty.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Much to do that. Uh so that would be things
like like like bumpstock band like pistol braces, like the
being in the business what it means to be in
the business of selling guns. He could wipe out all those.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, most definitely. And I'm going to be at mar
Alago on Thursdays through Saturday, and so I'm going to
try to make sure that our agenda is moved up
the pike, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, that's terrific. I mean, if you if you're at
mar a Lago, you've got his ear. I mean, he's
going to be there at the same time.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm assuming, yeah, at least part of the time that
I will be there. But Sobil transition team and sold
a lot of ACHE leaders, a couple of cabinet members.
New cabinet members might also be there, so you know,
there's no doubt that I will have the ear of
lots of people.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you have any thoughts on who might be in
line or who you would like to be in line
for atf director.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I've got a couple favorite people that you know that
I know have worked with over the years that have
some interest in it. One of the problems getting people
to have the interest in it. A couple of my
first choices while Trump was president last time chose not
to and so that made it more difficult to find somebody.
You know, HTF has historically, you've been for the whoever
runs it has been a dead end street for the
(08:08):
rest of their career. So it's it's hard sometimes to
get people to want to take it. But yes, I
have some people, but I'm not going to mention names
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's probably best as long as you're just working the
inside the thing. It's nice to have people on the inside.
I actually had started the show off today with Steve
Scalise and so you talk about your ultimate insighter in
terms of getting things done. We're hoping that he can
work with you on that as well.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Me too.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Steve, It's is a phenomenal person as well as a
great member of Congress. He's a star wars for the
Second Amendment, for Secondmendment rights, and he's just one of
our key leaders well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And the fact that he was severely injured and shot
and came back and says, no, I don't support gun control,
so that has nothing to do with this. And if
that's just a bad guy with a gun, and he
often says, he says, look, my life was saved by
people with guns. Had two Capitol police officers with handguns
(09:06):
who took on and thwarted a guy with a rifle.
So yeah, you're right, he's as star wart as the guts.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, I'm so proud that he's there, and he's worked
for so many years for us, and it's what he
does behind the scenes that people don't even know about.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's so important.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, same thing with you, my friend. A lot of
this stuff you do, people don't know you're working with this,
They don't know you're going to Morrow Lago, that you're
whispering the right ears. And you've been doing that for oh,
let's say fifty years now.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, time goes fast, but it's been a great run.
And I've love di interfacing with your listeners over those
fifty years, and thank you for all you do.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You as well, Tom, Well, I appreciate that. But you
have fifty years for the Second Amendment Foundation and growing
like crazy now I gather.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, I'm a little worried to growing my slow down
now a little bit, and mostly growth is come because
for all sixty loss if we've got going on around
the country, but with Trump in the White House and
Republicans to control of the House and Senate and our
friendly Supreme Court, a lot of gun unders think, well,
maybe now I go back to sleep again for a while.
And I sure hope that's not the case. Is that
we'll put up some brakes on our growth.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's a good point. It's actually now's the time to
press that pedal down to the floor, put the pedal
to the metal, and accelerate because you have a more
clear pathway to get things done. It's not the time
to back off. We actually need more people joining, more
people making donations, and more people getting involved.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, we do, but unfortunately historically in the fifty years
have done this. Gun owners tend to do better when
we're on defense rather than on the offense. So when
the rights are being attacked, they're right there on the
front line. But when it's a chance to extend to
expand our rights we have, when we have the ball
in our court, they tend to go to sleep a
little bit. And so historically our warning signs that our
(10:53):
people only get engaged when they're directly attacked, directly attacked,
it's not going to be a taxis I mean to
be honest, Tom, the anti gunners are going to double down.
They know gun owners are responsible for trumping in the
White House. They want to get even with us, and
you know, their their agenda got smashed, and they're going
to come back to it at us, you know, twice
(11:15):
as hard, particularly in some of those battleground states. You
know the states were and as you know, close to
half of I mean we can half a dozen dozen
states with the Democrats and our opponents control the governor's
houses and the legislatures. So you know states thinking in California, Washington, Oregon,
you know New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, and Maryland. There's
(11:35):
a number of Hawaii. There's a number of states where
this battle is not going away. They're going to double down.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, no, exactly right. They are going to push harder
than ever and we can't back off at all. And
by the way, people should know, I know I've mentioned
it before, but if there wasn't an out and Gottlieb,
there wouldn't be a gun talk radio because this was
your suggestion, your ideas I blame you completely for this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, well I've kept you busy out of trouble for
a lot of years.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Now, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Had thirty years for gun talk.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
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That's good news too. He's gonna be down there working
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All over the country, people are acknowledging our military veterans.
Tomorrow is Veterans Day, eleven eleven, and today is also
the two hundred and forty ninth birthday of the United
States Marine Corps. So to all of my Marine buddies
out there, big O, Happy birthday for the Marine Corps.
(15:31):
Talking about veterans, a couple of stories, I want to
tell you we we always acknowledge everybody we do the
thanks for your service, and I tend to be a
little bit reluctant to throw that out there. I don't
know if it has become cliche. I don't know how
people react to it, but clearly I want to thank
everybody up. I did not serve, I've ever been in
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the military, and I appreciate those who did there are.
And I've said this before, you never know what the
story is of the guy or the gal who you're meeting,
the person who's standing in line in front of you,
the old guy. You don't know where he's been and
what he's done, and often we'll never know. A couple
of stories I want to share with you. One is
(16:16):
a kind of a small one, but it's a personal one.
My dad World War Two. My father, Gritz was well,
I'll just put it clearly. He was a super athlete.
Letard in basketball, baseball, football. In baseball he batted five
point twenty two. Any sport it was, he was good
(16:39):
at it, it didn't matter. He's one of those guys
you hate because he's just good at everything. Enlisted in
the Army Air Corps World War Two and probably should
have been out there shooting things are flying airplanes because
he was so good at things. But the problem was
he was also a really smart kid. Actually set records
(17:01):
in academic performance at LSU. So the Army Air Corps
took him and put him into training, first meteorology and
then teaching radar because he was smart. Okay, So he
served out in the US. He didn't go overseas at all,
and after the war he came out with a wife
(17:23):
and kids and all the rest of it and enjoyed
his life, had a great life. Where I'm going with
this is what people gave up in service and do
give up in service. After my dad died because we
had never known this, never a word about it. We're
(17:47):
going through his private stuff, sorting it all out, and
my daughter actually found it, small card piece of paper
that right after World War Two, my dad was signed
by the Chicago Cubs to play baseball for the Cubs
and never did. He was married at kids, and you
(18:10):
couldn't really make any money playing baseball, certainly not starting
off at the miners and then working your way up.
What was interesting to me about that he loved baseball.
I mean, like I said, he was a super athlete.
The fact that he never told us about being signed
by the Cubs to me indicates how much it hurt
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and what he felt like. He lost, you know, and
willingly for the service of the country, but came out
a different person. His plans changed completely. Small thing, not
a big thing, But I want to combine that with
this other story I just picked up today. So a
fella online posted this, and I'm just going to read
it because it does tell you a lot about some
(18:56):
of our veterans. He says, I had a VFW hung
out with at more Croft, Wyoming. There was an old
World War Two vet that would come in and have
three beers a day. I love that. I got to
know him and we became friends. He told everyone that
he was a cook. He died at the age of
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ninety one. His daughter asked me to help her with
the house. We started cleaning up his things and in
the closet is his old uniform and on the shoulder
is a blue diamond that was the old original Ranger patch.
In his drawer was his silver star, two bronzes and
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two purple hearts. Cook my ass. And no one ever
knew because he told anybody, Like I say, you never
know the story there. I guess all that to say
for all the veterans, Yeah, thank you for your service.
(20:15):
We cannot know what you did, we cannot know what
you had to endure. All we can do is say thanks.
So we've got veterans. They come around tomorrow, and of
course it's people are celebrating it this weekend, wearing camouflage,
doing whatever, whatever you do. It's okay to single out
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people and say thanks. It's okay to say something publicly.
And also just never forget, don't assume anything about that person.
That the old guy in front of you. He may
be the one who wore the ranger patch and has
a silver star and two bronzes and two purple hearts
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and tells everybody that he was a cook. Yeah, I
like this guy says cook my ass. Yeah he was something,
but he wasn't a cook. More than likely there are
a few people I know who are like that and
pretty hard to get them to tell their stories. Or
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if someone said verse, if the people are telling you
their story, maybe that's not really their story. You never know.
I guess all I want to do is say, just
from me personally, I want to thank you. I appreciate
the Marines. I appreciate the soldiers there him in the Navy.
Wherever you were, whatever you did, it was part of
the package. Whether you were overseas or whether you were here,
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whether you were support or whether you were the family
of it all makes a difference. It lets us sleep
warm and safely in our homes at night, with a
lot of people in other parts of the world can't
and don't. So just whatever that's worth. My thoughts for
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our veterans as we celebrate a Veterans Day. We appreciate
you more than you will ever know. Thank you so much.
I just got emailed from Gordy. Hey, just listen to
Gun Talk. Heard you talk about doing GT thirty guns. Yeah,
(22:26):
he says, we're to ask you to keep us left
handed and left eye dominant guys in mind. Well, you
know I shoot left eye dominant, so I shoot left
shoulder for long guns and right handed for handguns. But
Gordy is saying, you really would like to have a
pistol with an Ambi slide release in addition to an
AMBI mag release. Not do worry, Gordy, We're gonna have
(22:53):
something you like. Let me just leave it like that. Okay,
you never know what we're up to around here is
eight six to six talk Gun Let's see line four.
I got Gary out of Conway, Arkansas. Gary, what's this
out here about crows?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Well, I think there's gonna be a shortage next year
for crows season because the Democrats are gonna be eating
a lot of crews.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh I never saw that coming. The other problem is
if in order to eat crow, you gotta admit that
you made a mistake. And I don't hear that happening.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
Well, that's the top line right here there.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I thought for sure you're gonna be shooting crows or
something was going on with crows. Man. You got me
on that one. That was good. All right, Thank you, sir.
I appreciate that call. Let's go grab Tom and Fargo,
North Dakota. Hey Tom, you're on gun talk. What's happening?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yes, sir, so, I worked for a company for quite
a while and we tested I r S agents being
SF and other and I've had countless background checks done
on myself law enforcement, and I just wanted to encourage
that guy. Sometimes it takes a while. I've had nick
before and it does. I just wanted to concur with you.
Sometimes it takes a little while. But and similar names.
(24:18):
I've had people with similar names with me or something
flags or something coming up. But I just wouldn't encourage
that guy to stick it out because he'll get it.
He'll get it done.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, good info. I appreciate that, thank you, sir. I'm
reminded of when I lived up in Glaska back in
the day when we would write checks at stores, and
several times I'd write a check and the clerk would
take it and kind of go in the back and
manager becomes storming out, and I thought, man, we got him.
(24:52):
Now there's a guy named Tom Gresham who was passing
bag checks like crazy. And I mean, I got to
know him, if you will enough where I say, yeah, no, Look,
his middle initial is this and my middle initial is that,
and I'm not the same guy. But there's that old
same name deal. I'm pretty sure, Okay, this is weird story,
(25:15):
but I got to share this with you. I don't
think I've ever told this. I'm pretty sure he was
the same guy involved in this deal. I was on
a trip. We do a lot of traveling for business.
And while I was gone, and get a letter addressed
to me, and my wife always takes care of the mail,
and she opens it up. It's a letter from a
woman and she said, you know, I know we've been
(25:36):
seeing each other for quite a while and just I
don't think it's working out really well, and you know,
we're going to have to break up. And my wife
is reading this letter from this woman to me, and
fortunately at the end of it, she says something to
the effective and when you get out of prison, I
won't be here. Holy yah. But for a little while
(25:58):
there there was like probably a little going on or
she's reading this story is a letter from this woman
that's going to break up with me. But I think
it's probably the same guy. But you talk about interesting
identities and having the same name as somebody, that kind
of a thing. Wow, you know, stuff happens. Just don't
get worked up about it. Go through the process. There's
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a process for appealing if you get delayed or denied,
and you go back and work with the next background check.
It is one of the things I like about a
state where I am in Idaho. If you have the
conceal carry permit, they don't even submit to the FBI.
(26:42):
You just show the card, your conceal carry card, and
that suffices to take care of the knixt check and
so you just get your gun and you walk out
with it and you're good to go. So if you're
in a state like that, that might be reason enough
for you to get your seal carry permit, especially if
you tend to get more than one gun a year.
(27:04):
Is I tend to man I could tell we got
some cool stuff coming. We get to we and I'm
not down there much anymore, but down in Louisiana at
the rains Ready Studios, we get to try out all
these new cool guns and all the new stuff that's
(27:24):
coming out. So that well, what they do is they
send us the guns in advance and we sign an NDA,
a non disclosure agreement, and that way we can do
videos on them and have produced the videos and have
them ready to go. So on the day of release,
everything's embargoed until then. On the day of release, we
can put out the video. Otherwise, if they didn't send
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us the gun until the day of release, it would
be it could be weeks before we get a video out,
or at least a few days. So we get the
heads up a lot of this stuff. So that's why
sometimes I'll start to talk about a gun and go, oh, wait,
is that one I can talk about yet? And in fact,
I had to send a note to Ryan this week.
I said, when is X going to be released? What's
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the release date of that? Okay, good deal, got that?
So that's going to be happening. There's some really interesting
stuff going on. But by the way, and I mentioned
that the Savage now has twenty two lever action rifles.
Lever actions just continue to be more and more popular.
I'm not sure I even understand why that is or
what's going on with that, but people love lever actions,
(28:29):
and so I mean I do too. One of the
coolest things if you haven't done this, if you have
a lever action, A lot of them are now coming
with a threaded barrel. And I know it looks goofy
and it's not traditional, but if you put a suppressure
on a lever action rifle, and if you particular if
you're using subsonic loads, whether it be twenty two or
(28:49):
like thirty eight Special or forty five cult, it's subsonic
because it's not a semiato where the action's opening and
you get gas and sound coming out of the action
when it opens and it's operating. It's basically a fixed breach.
At least it's a closed breach, so all the gas
goes out through the suppressor. Those things are incredibly quiet.
(29:10):
So a lever action using a handgun cartridge with a
suppressor is just fun. And I think people have figured
that out, so there's a lot of interest now off
part of those and a lot of these lever actions
are coming kind of tactical setups, black guns with rails
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and all the rest of it. You know, if it's
not for you, that's fine, gets you one with the
walnut stock. But if it is more power to you,
remember this stuff is supposed to be just about having
fun going out to the range or maybe even doing
some hunting with the stuff. So there you go, eight
six ' six talk gun. We'll be right back with
more gun talking.
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Did you ever see something that's just pure goofy and
yet you think I like that? I think I might
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You'd be an underbarrel flamethrower. Yes, you attached this thing
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to the I'm sorry, the underside of your ar and
it's a flamethrower. No, it makes no sense at all,
except that wouldn't that be fun? Holy cow? Oh my gosh,
let's grab Greg online one out of helling them on
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town and Greg thanks for calling in here. What's your
wish list for the new administration?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I'd like to see them take those stupid signs down
at the post office and and the Forest Service ranger
stations that say you know, no weapons. You know, if
somebody really wanted to shoot a postal worker, a stupid
sign ain't gonna stop them.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You know, no, it's not gun free signs don't work anyway.
There actually are some lawsuits underway right now on the
post office deal. But I agree with you. And I
think that's probably something that Trump could do on his own,
just with an executive order and say, yeah, no, take
them down. Just because it is federally owned or it's
(33:46):
a federal building doesn't mean it should be gone free.
We'll do away with that. So I think that's that's
a very real possibility.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Service Office too. You know, there's no reason to have
it up in the Forest Service office.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh, I agree, that's that's just Greaty. You can carry
on four Service property, but not in the buildings. It's
like with the Park Service. You can carry in national parks,
but not in buildings on national parks.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Well, here's a fun one. You know, those those all
the old four service fire lookouts that you know, you
got to climb up the stairs and everything. There's the
little glass cabin up on top where the fire observer
would be lookout. Yeah, the lookout, and you can, you
(34:32):
know a lot of times either rent those, you know,
to live in them yourself, or you can visit, you know,
and that kind of stuff. So I went up one
of those towers and I get up and I go
inside the building and there's a sign that says no
guns on the inside of the glass, not at the
bottom of the.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Sires, right, they make you climb all the way up. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
And there's another one by the way. About the election,
John Tester, we finally got rid of him. Good John
Tim she Tim Sheh, endorsed by the NRA, won the election,
and John Tester basically led his way out of a
job because because of all the lives that he told
(35:19):
about Tim Sheehy.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'm glad you got
rid of him, and I'm glad you got Tim in there.
Well done. Yeah. By the way, they and thank you
for the call that those four service lookout towers and
make really good tree stands. I've just made that up. Dan.
Dan's in Standpoint, Idaho on three. Hey Dan, you're on
gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
What's happening, Yes, sir, Two things. I've got a hunting
report for you, and then I have a quick question
for you.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
But the other day I shot a nice sat doe
at three hundred and fifty yards with a seventy five grain.
Two two three worked great, She ran a little bit
fell over and it was a nice successful So two
two three you'll definitely stack them in the freezer. If
you know, if that's what.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You got, Yes, if that you got and you're using
a good bullet.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yep, those horned you bullets. I did some looking at them.
The front about quarter inch of the bullet is hollow.
There's no leading and it's just the jacket. So when
it hits that kind of deforms and it grabs and
they'll spin. And I have a shot deer where I
have on the opposite side the bullet going through sideways
through the outside ches.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Whoa nice Okay, well done?
Speaker 6 (36:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So what I'm going to help you with?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
So my mom's getting a little bit older, and I
was wondering, how do you know, because you know your
dad got older and start having some memory issues, how
do you know when's the time to take the home
defense gun out of the house.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's hard. So it's like, when do you tell them
they can't drive anymore? You got to use your best judgment.
And I don't know when you know. I will tell
you this this I do believe. I think it's probably
a little bit sooner than you think. Because people get
(37:11):
really good at covering because they know they're cognitively going
downhill and they cover and it's hard sometimes to see it.
If you're starting to have the conversation in your head,
you're starting to think about it, it's time to start
thinking about it and maybe maybe come up with an alternative.
And here's the pepper spray, here's something else. It's it's difficult.
(37:34):
It's a hard, hard thing to do. And I wish
I had something concrete to tell you, but I don't
think anybody does. What are you seeing right now?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Just some memory loss a little bit and nothing too crazy.
But it just made me go, okay, you know, that's
something I need to look into. So I'm ahead of
the curve.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You're not there yet, then, just but at least being
aware of it as smart and keep you know, having
the conversation. You know, And honestly, here's a question for you.
Have the conversation with her. Say look, mom, I think
you're losing a step here. Everything's still okay, and be upfront,
don't beat around the bush, and you never know she
may say, okay, yeah, I'm not real comfortable having this
gun here now, and maybe you know, she may make
(38:18):
it easier for you. Just food for thought here. Look,
I got a scowed. I appreciate the call. I wish
I had a better answer for you. It is tough.
Let me just tell you've been through that. Dad had
Alzheimer's when we went down that road all the way.
It's hard on everybody. And I don't you know the
car being able to take care of yourself. The guns
(38:39):
are part of that. It's the whole part of the package.
But at least you're thinking about it and talk to
other people, you know, figure out, you know, how did
they go about it, Use whatever support network you have.
It really makes it better and maybe slightly easier. This
(39:01):
is actually a good question. Don called in. Didn't want
to be on the air, but he's got a friend's
got a roomage in seventy four hundred. That's the Semiato rifle, says.
The bolt keeps getting stuck. He's wondering if it's dirty. Michelle,
talk to him about it. Semiato's, by their very nature,
(39:21):
need to be cleaned. The dirtier they get, the more
you're going to induce malfunctions. That's true of pistols, shotguns,
rifles that depend upon the energy of the fired cartridge
to for the bolt or slide to go back and
forth and pick up around as it gets dirtier, it
slows down the velocity of the bolt or the slide
(39:44):
as it gets gunked up, and at a certain point
has lost enough velocity, doesn't go all the way back
or won't pick up the round. Do you have a
failure to feed or a faire to eject? Cleaning your
gun is good? I mean it's not fine. Well, it's
kind of fine. It can't be fun. Get good gun
cleaning products. Don't go using dextron transmission fluid or whatever.
(40:09):
Everybody wants to come up with their own thing. There
are a ton of really good products. I go to
brown Els for all that stuff. Brownels dot com. They
have really good gun cleaning products and good lubricants. I
like to have a small tube of molly grease Lobdanum
disulfide grease. Use a little bit of that on slides
and on bolts, just helps slick them up. If you're
(40:32):
having trouble with the semiauto and it's not functioning right,
try running it dry. See if it'll run that way.
Some of them run really well dry. Some need a
little bit of loops, some need a lot of loop.
And you got to got to figure out what your
gun needs or likes. But the first thing is to
clean it thoroughly. I mean, take it apart, really seriously
clean it. If you have either yourself or a friend
(40:54):
who has an ultrasodic cleaner, use that. You can soak
it in there and use that. It'll really clean it out.
But having a clean gun is imperative for reliability, which
is important for hunting, which could save your life when
it comes to a self defense gun. We wear these guns.
They get gunk on them, you know, they get stuff
all the time, and a lot of times we wear
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a gun for weeks or months at a time without
cleaning it. Cleaning a semi auto back pistol is really
simple and easy. You know, pop slide off, pup a
barrel out, you know, get a toothowle, toothbrush, clean it
all outlub it up, put it back together. You need
to make that part of your routine. I mean, don't
be like those guys just say I forget am I
supposed to clean my gun on even years or odd years.
(41:36):
That's not really a good process, not a good procedure.
Just make it a part of your deal. And look
and if you have a red dot, if you have
an optic on your carry pistol. That's more maintenance. You
got to clean it more often. You got to make
sure that the screen is clean, probably once a week.
You got to clean that thing with Q tip or
alcohol or whatever. You got to make sure that you
(41:58):
have a process for changing out the battery. Says the
batters last for a year, change them every six months.
It's only your life that you're betting everything on here.
It's one of the reasons some people say I just
use iron sights. Hey, that's cool, whatever you want to do.
But if you do, go with more stuff on your gun, lights,
red dots, et cetera. Now you have maintenance, routine maintenance
(42:21):
of batteries and checking it and cleaning it and making
sure everything works the way it's supposed to. Very simple
as that. Hey, if you're to join us for a
conversation about the election, give me a call right now.
We'll talk about it during the after show. We can
knock it around a little bit, fair enough. I just
got to tell you I have been smiling ever since
I got back from camp on Wednesday. I also had
(42:42):
a lot of fun going to places like CNN and
MSNBC and watching the tears flowing. They're kind of in
the part now where they've decided to be resistors. They're
going to resist the effort, which means they don't accept
the election, of course, which means they don't accept the
will of the people. Gee, now us it doesn't really matter. Hey,
(43:03):
look seriously, when it comes down to is we won. Now,
we've got to do something with this while we have
the White House, the House, and the Senate. We'll give
you some more updates on that as we go along.
Have a great week, Go do a little bit of
shooting and take a friend with you. Watch those muscles
carry all the time.
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