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-- Are the high hopes of gun owners for the new Trump administration reasonable?
-- How do you know if your firearms class was any good?
-- Will we finally get national concealed carry?
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-- Are the high hopes of gun owners for the new Trump administration reasonable?
-- How do you know if your firearms class was any good?
-- Will we finally get national concealed carry?
Gun Talk 11.10.24 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hey, it's after showtime and we are all smiling. We
got Jim and Michelle. Hello, my friends. Hey a what
a week?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Huh? You think kidding?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Something happened? What's going on now?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
You sound like whoopee. That's how she started the view
the next day.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
So I don't think it happened last night, which actually
knows pretty funny because.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Because Jim always watches the view.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I had to that share the heightst ratings ever, Is
that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah, people wanted to see him squirm. Oh then of
course I was proudly one of them.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah there you go. I hear you. It's like, okay,
I went, you know, I'm checking INSNBC and seeing an
I just got to watch it and say, oh, they're
just they're losing their minds. So it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yep, we have two callers who hopefully have not lost
their minds.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, how are you going to fit in around here?
If you still have your mind?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
There'll be the outcast there you go, let's.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Curb John on four out of Hot Springs Village, Arkansas.
Have been to Hot Springs Village myself.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Hey, John, Hey, how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
We are great?
Speaker 7 (01:42):
That so am I still celebrating, still celebrating. I had
a friend called me this morning and he said that
President Trump, to be soon, thank god, would make concealed
carry reciprocity nationwide. Now did you hear anything about that?
(02:03):
Because I know you had two attorneys on your program,
and I see I know Arkansas from believe it or not, County, Illinois,
where I had my conceil Kerry and I had my Floyd. Well,
you can't have it anymore if you don't live there.
So I lost. You know, that's gone, right, And I
(02:25):
never I never renew it in ARC because you don't
read it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Okay, Yeah, you got constitutional care, you don't have to
have it, Okay, But there's there's a way around this.
That's pretty easy, actually, uh haf In fact, and I
know that Trump's going to try the people who are
advising him are going to try to get national reciprocity.
He can't do that unilattery that it's going to have
to go through Congress, and that's going to be tough
(02:50):
because unfortunately there are several Republicans who have opposed that
in the past. And you know, so I would like
to beat them about the head and shoulders get their
attention on that. Yes, I would wouldn't Jim, you're mad.
You're mad because you want to be first. Jim.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I was going to hold them for you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Okay, I'll do that, all right. But here's the deal, John.
Even if you live in a state where you are
not required to have a conceial cary permit, it doesn't
mean you can't get one. Arkansas still issues one. If
you want to go get a permit, then you just
get you your state permit. And then if we get
national reciprocity, that will be good everywhere.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
That would be outrageous good. That would be amazing. I
appreciate your show, and your screener is amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Oh where you can tell her directly. She's on the
air with you right now.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, hey girl, Hi, thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Thank you, you're very kind.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
You have a wonderful day.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You too, appreciate the call, you know, I was just thinking, guys.
The other part of it is, you don't have to
wait for national reciprocity for or getting a permit to
makes sense because spending on the state you're in, probably Arkansas.
I bet your permit's good in thirty different states.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Right now and several adjacent ones.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Handgun Law dot US has a whole spiel on where
resprosity is valid, right and be a good start for
anybody who's curious.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, so you don't have to wait for the national
reciprocity here, you know, get a permit. You're probably going
to be good in twenty five to thirty five states,
so you know, it may not be all of them,
but you can pick and choose which states you want
to go to at least.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Well.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
The other thing that it does is it gives you
kind of a heads up on being able to pass
that forty four to seventy three and that NIXT check
that we talked about earlier on the radio. Right you
would not have a weight because you have a concealed
carry card in most.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
States, in most states, right, not all states?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yeah, correct, Because you have a conceal carry card in
most states, you can just go ahead and purchase the
firearm after filling out the paperwork.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, that's nice where you can just show the card,
you know, and you're good to go. They already have.
They don't even have to call it in.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Do they know?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
They don't call it in.
Speaker 8 (05:05):
You still fill out the form because you know, something
has to attach a serial number to your name.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But it's all that happens.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
So if you're a pending felon with charges, you still
have to declare that the charges are existing, right, I
just sign everything?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hunter Biden, now, oh god, what you mean, dude, go
to dinner and not hungry?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, Biden said he's not going to pardon Hunter. We'll see.
I believe that when he's out of office and it's
not done. And then people saying, well, you know, he
ought to pardon him, just you know, or Trump ought
to pardon and no, no, he broke the law. I mean,
given a felony.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Come on, his dad's pulling the tough love thing to
the last day and then.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
We'll see how that works out. Hey, I scrab Bill.
He's in Charlesville, Illinois, speaking of Illinois. Yeah, hey Bill,
you made it onto the after show. What's happening?
Speaker 9 (05:56):
I I've been meaning to call you. I had got
some training. I took a class, and a friend of
mine really wanted, you know, called me up and said, hey,
we have this this. I take this class. I've taken
it a few times. Join me, let's let's do it.
And I'd been meaning to it'd be great. But we
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got there and it was it was ended up just
kind of being a glorified range trip with other guys.
I'm not sure I got any training.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, what did you do?
Speaker 9 (06:31):
Practice? Different ways to put holes in paper, and you know,
maybe tried doing it a little faster. But I don't think.
I don't know what to expect. But I don't think
that was real training.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Were you were you drawing from a holster?
Speaker 9 (06:45):
Yeah, so they said don't use your concealed carry holster.
It has to be outside the belt holster. So I
got a different holster. And you know, they had about
eighteen people and about one trainer for you know, three people,
and you know we had.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
It was outdoors.
Speaker 9 (07:03):
He had a burm and you know, lined up and
then you know, there was targets and it was like okay,
draw and then hit the blue dot and then the
red dot and then the whole cert and so it
was like little drills and guys would kind of walk
around and I don't know, maybe, I mean sometimes it
was maybe a little bit of tips.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But do you feel like, yeah, do you feel like
you learned anything?
Speaker 9 (07:31):
No, I mean I did one I compared to the
only other thing I have. I did do one hour
with a guy at the range, and it was he
was he was a trainer and and in one hour,
even though I knew about flinching, he helped me solve
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my flinch and he pointed out he was able to
see that my my red dot was a little bit off.
So he's like, yeah, you got to fix that a
little bit. And so, you know, I think even in
one hour, just you know, a few drills and then
just one on one was was miles better than all
(08:13):
day at.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Arrange with a bull.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It happened, I mean, Michelle, I mean, we say there's
a bell curve in everything, and some trainers are fabulous
and some are on the other end of the scale,
and unfortunately, you may not know what you're getting into
until you get into the class.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Right, yeah, right, I mean I don't know what kind
of reviews are out there already on this on you know,
the instructors or this class necessarily, but you know, I
think just good for people who are researching things, you know,
ask around, look at the reviews, kind of take it
all in and decide what you need and what you
could possibly take away, because if you're a little more advanced,
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you need something a little more advanced.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
What was the level of the other shooters with you, Bill?
Speaker 9 (08:57):
Everybody was seemed everybody was kind of had been there before.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So how was it presented, how was it pitched?
Speaker 9 (09:05):
It was this the shooting. It was the beginning level shooters.
You couldn't take anything advanced and tell you did this one.
Somebody brought their wife or girlfriend and they got like
several more trainers helping her.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
So a bunch of different ways there out on the range.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
It's never a bad day out on the range. You're
shooting at the target, you're doing a little different thing,
you're playing battleship, you know whatever. But I guess I
expected like like here's where I was and then here's
my improvement. At the end, they did kind of a
qualification to take the next pistol class, and it was
like get you know, draw and get five shots in
(09:46):
this ring and you know, so many seconds and very
few people could do it.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
So I was going to ask if they, you know,
tried to encourage the faster response time or you know,
faster shooting or anything like that. So it sounds like
at the very end just to get you, I don't
want to say hooked into the next class, but basically
setting it up to take the next thing.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Take the second class. We'll use yellow and orange dots.
Oh my god, we step up.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I was looking for practicals, like even on the air,
Tom gets good practicals, and how there's how you're going
to improve. You do this and then that and then
you can see. I think it was kind of on
this class it was just like, okay, try and do
that faster.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well with your.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
With your state and with the laws of the way
they are, it's probably hard to get instructors there would
be my guest too. Yeah, so you probably have to
do a little bit of traveling outside of your your area.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
And I would do it in an incident if I could.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, the other thing I was going to say
is that for anybody who's listening, when you're signed up
for a class, Michelle's you're right, just ask other people,
get get reviews. But the other thing is you got
to qualify the reviews because typically people who take their
first class have never had a class before. It's great,
I loved it. It may have been terrible, but they
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didn't know anything. I like to ask people, what other
classes have you been to, what other training have you had?
In other words, how do you know it was good
if you don't have anything to compare it to.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
And my friend who brought me was like it was
his first, it was his only class, and it was
he knew these people, he's been with their class before.
But he just likes, you know, he's just like going
out and shooting at things. It's a great shout out.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's not wasted time. You got to shoot some
and you may have picked up something along the way.
But to your point, I think it sounds to me
like what you're looking for is more along the lines
of self defense training, Am I right?
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, you know, do some poking around. I'll guarantee you
there's some good classes around. You may have to drive
an hour or two to get somewhere, but there's going
to be a trainer out there who does good stuff,
and you're going to be able to find somebody. And
it's okay to call the trainer and talk to him
ahead of time and say, look, what are we going
to be working on now? I mean, what kind of drills?
What are we Because if it's just going to be
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drawing from the hol stream shooting paper, ask them, are
we going to do malfunction drills? That's they're always a
key one. Oh yeah, because if they say, oh no,
we don't do that, you go, okay, well, then that's
not a good class for me. I mean, you're at
the point now you know how to draw, you know
how to shoot, you know how to head a target.
You need to work on stuff that's hard, like malfunction drills,
are moving and that kind of a thing.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Hey Bill, how far are you from Illinois? I'm sorry,
how far are you from Indiana?
Speaker 9 (12:36):
A few hours? I guess I'm more on the on
the west side.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
But okay, get there, okay, because I know there's a
lot of good stuff in Indiana.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, I go to.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
The brown Els. Uh, they had the gun show on
Brown Els and that's closer.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Mont Zuma. Oh we know what you got to do.
Then if you're that close, call up at Brownhills. This
is just wild hair and talk to their one of
their gun techts and say, look, this is what I'm
looking for, and just say I'm looking for a good
trainer in the area for a class. I'll guarantee you
they know who's around.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Absolutely really and probably any of your local ranges as well.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and but yeah, dig a little deeper.
I mean, that's not a bad day out with the
budget and you got to shoes a little bit. But yeah,
I understand what you're saying. You're going, you come away
and you're going that really wasn't what I was looking for.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean you can pay more for classes, that's
for sure. But you know, I'm definitely on my list
some days to get down the range at a studio.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Well, it's serious fun. It's a fun place, but you know,
and honestly, I mean we talk about that, but you know,
I encourage people to go wherever you can go if
you can get if you can get to a gun
site grave, you can get to see the academy, or
if you can go to your local range and they've
got a decent trainer or decent classes, it's amazing how
good the local training can be. Sometimes yeah yeah so,
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or it can be like you got so you never.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Rub it rub it in?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
What a jerk.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
Oh, I'm sorry, you know to another thought that came
to mind, Not to beat this down, but your local
sheriff's department is a great source of information as well.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Idea, and I.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Think that you know, they always know who the outstanding
instructors are, and I think that they could probably you know,
be of use potentially.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I can't guarantee it, but potentially.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's a good knock because a lot of times the
sheriff's departments they're they're plugged in. You may have to
go deeper than the first layer of the person you talk.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
To there, right, Yes, you know the guy who qualifies
once a year. It's the only time in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We'll go the dispatcher. If you're just talking a dispatcher,
you say the farm's instructor. Even better, the best would
be if you cannot do it on the phone, If
you could actually stand there next to a sheriff's deputy.
They're going to go, Yeah, this guy, I don't know
about him, but there's another one. Yeah, I think you
know that kind of a deal.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, well, good luck with it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, I'm glad you got out and shot, but
you gave us a chance to talk about it here,
which is vet you know, on the front end, ask
questions and figure out what you need. I mean a
lot of people just need that basic class to get started,
and it probably was very helpful to them, but here
at the point you need something beyond that. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Yeah, just seeing if I missed something, or if I
maybe there was a glaring flag that I should have
known better.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, it sound like you did. Okay. I mean we've
all stumbled into those and you're going, yeah, this isn't
exactly what I thought I was getting into.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
You know, Tom, in a way, it's better that he
took another beginner's class than taking your course with the
lousy instructor.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Well true, or taking a class that was so advanced
that you really can't keep up. Those are no good.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Either, yeap. Either way, Wow, So well, good deal.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know, keep keep at it. Look, here's the deal.
More classes are fun, and I really encourage people to
take classes from different instructors because even if you just
get one good thing out of each class, that's worthwhile.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Yep, definitely there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, look, I appreciate the call, and I appreciate you
listening in. Thanks for all you do, Tom, Thanks sir,
you take care.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Maybe maybe this will be the year they get rid
of their FI D cards. Wouldn't that be good?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I know from Illinois? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's Illinois in the County of California.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Let's call Governor Pritzker and ask him if he would
like to help us out on that.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We should get him on the show interview.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Everything I thought I was going to respond about that
was so bad, I really, you know, And I guess
where did I just see he made? You know, the
guy's worth several billion dollars the governor turnament. I think
he inherited it from some place. I don't think he
made it himself. I think I just saw that on
TV somewhere. It look, if it's on TV, it's got
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to be true.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Sure, yeah, sure, it's just like radio. Right.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
One sad thing about the election is that all the
money spent and lost didn't affect sorrows at all.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That's rich also be But but don't you love it
that Kamala had a billion dollars and came out in debt. Yeah,
she's twenty million in debt. And it turns out she's
paid Oprah a million dollars to interview her, and she's
paying Beyonce, and she's paying all these people who supposedly
should be donating pro bono if they really believed in her,
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But they're just using her in her campaign as a
cash cow, which means all of their endorsements of her
were simply paid endorsements.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I hadn't hurt that swifty only.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I mean, you're a swift. You have to vote for
Kamala and naw, she paid.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
She paid Oprah a million dollars to be interviewed by Oprah.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Wo.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Now, how do you feel if you were a donor?
You say, I've got one hundred dollars I would donate
to the campaign, and then you find out that's what
they did with the money.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
See, I would interview Kala for half that. She could
have got a much better deal of me.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, no, kid, Joe Roddy would have done it for free.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Oh more about that after a break.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
There you go.
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Speaker 4 (18:54):
Nine, Jammy mentioned as we were heading out the break,
we're talking about Joe Rogan, and it's interesting. Several people
have mentioned this, and I think they're right. This election
probably marks the end of any serious dependence upon the
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mainstream media for information.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Well mainstream media and celebrities. I guess the flip side
to the Devil's advocates to what you just said is
people have, you know, short, short memories, so you know,
a year from now, is anybody something.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I don't remember? I just can't. I'm drawing a blank.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I would like to think that this puts a lot
of the fake media to rest and celebrity endorsements and stuff,
But you know, people do have short memories and did
I mention people have short memories.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think we're going to see this rekindling. Yeah, they
may tweak.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Their m a a little bit, but they don't They're
not a party of substance. So they have to come
up with all the BS stuff and periphery stuff to
try to get the weak minded to follow them. And
it's been successful in the past. I think this time
they pushed it so much, and they pushed the woke
things so far, and people finally, just because if you
look at the numbers, the millennial men who you think
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would be you know, open minded and everything else, they've
had enough of it.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Well. It was interesting that I did not know this.
I was just reading this like today or yesterday, And
of course Trump started going on this podcast. He didn't
even know who these podcasters were. You know who got
him going on the podcast, His son Baron, eighteen year
old Baron was the one who said, Dad, you've got
(20:37):
to go on this. This is where people are listening now.
I got him going, And I will tell you, I
think all of those in combine that with the Joe
Rogan thing, probably moved an awful lot of young men
to Trump.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, and he'd go into enemy territory. Like like Kamala
wouldn't go on a lot of shows, wouldn't do Rogan,
wouldn't do a live But Trump's like, okay this. You know,
he went into the black community. He didn't a different message.
He pitched the same message. Heed to the pitch, to
the Hispanics and to the white females. And he went
into Dearborn, Michigan and had a rally with Muslims. I mean,
Kamala would have never done the universe of that.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Ever, Trump will talk to anybody. Yeah, now he will
talk him to death. That's a whole different subject, because man,
that guy could talk.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah. Well, you know, we're not hiring him because he's
our buddy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Nope, nope, but pretty excited about where we are. I
thought Allen made a good point, young Gottlieb. He said, look,
don't look for action on guns right away, because he's
made all these promises on these what natal they are
bigger issues, you know, the border and things like that.
He's gonna be moving on those. You're basically saying, just
(21:49):
don't get impatient. We're working on it. And the fact
that Gottleeb was going down to mar A Lago this
week to talk with the key people and to see Trump.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
That's huge, right, Well, that's a beautiful thing because you think, well,
Trump's going to tackle this and then eventually he'll get
the guns. He's got a whole staff of people working
on it, so they will sit in brief and it's
going to be you know, a smaller investment of Trump's
time based on his advisors and that's why you have those.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, exactly right, So pretty exciting stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, the thing I'm concerned about, Sir Thomas is historically speaking. Now,
hopefully this will be historic history making therefore kind of
turn things around a bit. But historically, when we've had
either two or three of you know, the House, Senate
and Presidency, we do the gentlemanly, we're going to try
to reach across the aisle. We're going to do the
right thing, and the others were idiots, spineless, Yeah, idiots.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah. And look, the reality is most of the people
who are in d C are part of DC and
work within DC and they don't want to upset the
apple cart too much to where they get ostracized and
get knocked out of DC because they're making millions, all
of them making millions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
That is certainly true of members of Congress. It's certainly
not true of Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Well, and that's why I think you said he had
learned his first term, and I thought he just thought
he was a shoe in the second time.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So he was holding off on some of his things.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
And I still wanted him to have won in twenty
but I tend to see the positive in things. That's
why Michelle's still on staff.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
And I think in.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
A way, I had an endorsement earlier. What are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
She said, I got your endorsement right here, buddy.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
In a way, there's some positive that can come from
him winning this time is because now he knows they've
exposed themselves more in the past four years.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
How's she usually get arrested for that?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah, gee, I wonder why this is the after show
and not the broadcast show, you know. I mean, they've
exposed a lot of them of themselves and their their hypocrisies,
and they're backhanded and their illegal stuff and their cover
ups and everything else. And because of their self bosing
so to speak, along with his uh, seeing what's really involved.
(24:04):
He's got four years under his belt, even though he's
got a gap there. I think this is going to
be better than his second term would have.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I think I think he had a chance to think
about it for four years. The part of my going
to do if I get back in there, and I
think he's got a hardcore plan. Like I said, he's
going to go through that place like Sherman march into
the sea. You're gonna leave scorched earth. So wait, I
gotta switch here, Michelle. The funniest part of the whole
thing for me is you got Mark Cuban saying that
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Trump doesn't like smart, powerful women, strong women, doesn't surround
himself with them. And then what's he do the very
first person he.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Needs chief of staff, the chief of staff.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
The first woman ever to be a White House chief.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of staff, smart man.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And I love it. They're describing her as she says
she's going to be the gatekeeper. I love it. She says,
no more clown cars coming into the room. In other words,
when he was there before anybody and everybody could get
in to see him. You're asking things. She is going
to be the gatekeeper and the disciplinarian that he needs
so much.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
YEP, I wonder who do you think they're going to
go with for press secretary? Because I would love to
see the first and I'm sure they have press meetings
prior to the inauguration, but the first one post inauguration
is going to be a killer.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Who would you want to see as the press secretary?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Some female that is intelligent, like a candae Own type
or a making jelly type.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Someone would go really crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I do Tucker cals Ooh, he's not that much of
a lady.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But great, I mean really honestly, just like for a
week I just want to tuck her in there for
a week.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
One week, he would be great.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Oh my gosh, can you even imagine?
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean it's somebody with the he'd be perfect,
you know, somebody with the press experience, knows all the
angles put up.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I mean, it's like you didn't have to play polite. Yeah,
shut up, that's stupid.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Do you know who it would suck to be is
all those reporters that have stayed on staff after the
transition for their news sources.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Right, they got to face the music with.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yes, absolutely right, it's gonna be great. So yeah, and
you know whoever it is the transition, the contrast with
the current Press secretary would be phenomenal. It's gonna be
so much fun watch that. So I don't know, you know,
it's strap in. Yeah, it's gonna be a it's gonna
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be a hoot and a half. And there's gonna be
a lot of stuff happening in the next seventy seventy
one days.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, probably more guessing than anything else.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But we have to we have to use it. We've
got to this time go for the throat.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I mean, it's like, well, our competitor is down on
the field, let's help him up.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Historically, no, you put them away.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
But and not to mention staying, I guess, aware of
what's going on and making sure the midterm election goes
the way that we need it to as well. You know, yeah,
because we've got this, we can't you know, we got
to keep our momentum.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Well, yes, but like I say, typically the midterms swing
hard the other direction, which means you really only have
two years. I would say that there's almost no chance
that the Republicans have control of House and the Senate
after the midterms.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Doubtful, but who knows.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
I mean, nobody saw the wave of red coming through either.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
True true, and we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I mean, I guess it depends on how confused.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, and I'm excited to watch what happens. I think
he's going to be considerably more focused this time. One
of the things that happens is I think the presidents
tend to be shocked at how fast four years goes.
It's like, wow, we didn't get nearly as much time
as I wanted. Well, yeah, because you're fighting the battle.
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But I mean I could just see him. It's like
if you've got a senator or a congressman who won't
play ball and won't get on the line, you just go, Okay, Yeah,
that military base you got, it's gone. It's gone. What
do you mean, No, No, as of two o'clock to day,
we're closing it down. You know, you just lost ten
thousand jobs in your district. Now we won't have that
(28:28):
conversation again. Yeah, I mean, just hardball, ye, super, I
mean we're talking serious. This is how it is. He
doesn't have to get reelected, he doesn't have to make
any friends, you know he is do you think from
a position of strength and power, and you got to
use it ruthlessly, honestly, ruthlessly is the way to go.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I wonder where ruth is ruth We're ruthless, you're going to.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Just I do have a closing question for you, though, Tom,
what is your take on to what to me is
the most important part of this whole thing, And it's
on the road, but it's it's the entry point.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
We're in the we're through the door.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Now, what is your take on the Dems between now
and inauguration playing some games with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
They trying to move out, move out.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Their younger justices so they can get or move out
their older justice so they can get younger ones in
for the next thirty four.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Ye that's what they're trying to do with Sonya Soda
mayor and trying to get encourage her to retire. Well,
that's not happening. She's already said she's not going to
and the suggestions of that have been met pretty much
across the board with you know, how disrespectful can you
be to her individually? And of course they always say,
we know we support women, you know, women of color,
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women of whatever, and really you're going to say, you know,
we want to dump you. We're going to basically do
a Biden on you.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I was just going to say, you're questioning how they
treat somebody for overlooking Biden.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, So yeah, they're going to try something. Now,
that's not really where the action is going to be.
There's going to be in uh, trying to lock down
bureaucracies and rules and laws if they can of treaties
of things that where they can try to hamstring Trump
when he gets in. There will be a lot of
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that going on. Just there's no doubt, and that's part
of the we don't accept the results of the election.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I'm taking the ball and I'm going home. It's my ball.
It's got your ball anymore, is it? Now?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
What I really hope though, is that Trump surrounds himself
with very strong people who understand the calling and the
cause and are not there to be part of the
DC process. He talked about actually getting some of the
government departments out of DC altogether. Good, you know, have
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them go out and be like in the middle of
the country where they actually talk with real people.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Let's get rid of the ATF, get rid of the
Department of Education. Hey, what do you think Mike Dwayne's
going to do when he has to now he has
to sub substitute replaced jd Vance. Oh that's going to
be a big deal for all high folks, that is,
isn't it, Because he's his choice. He's made the past
it has been pretty pretty shaky.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, but you know, on the good side, I gotta
tell you, I wasn't sure. But you look, everybody knows
jd Vance's background, and but kind of like what he says.
I like the way he approaches things. That's he doesn't
get all upset and get all worked up. He's pretty
levelheaded guy.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
So we'll see what happened to Jadvance. What you're hinting.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I think that probably is already underway.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'm sure, especially after the debate. I mean the debate
was he was.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
A rust well, but then again, when you're up against
both of the clown see.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
They have handicapped like they're doing golf for her.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Gosh, you know about Tim Walltz Well, what a goofball?
Holy cow? Uh? Just you know what happens to him?
The poor people of Minnesota. How did they have him
as a governor? Jeez? Can you imagine? So anyway, anyway,
I'm just you know, I'm still partying over here. I'm
having a ball. This is going to be great, and
it's going to be a great spectator sport. We'll see
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what happens.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Let me know when you get that European mount bullet
head great.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Michelle, you may have been on the phone. Did you
got the story about the bullet Yeah, stuck in this
tear's forehead basically here right on its nosebridge and it's
stuck in the bone. I mean it's lodged in hard.
This thing has been walking around with this, you know,
a piece of jewelry sticking out of his nose. Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, incredible, So that's.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Kind of cool. I don't haven't measured it. I'm not sure,
but I'm just gonna say it's a creed More just
to make fun of the creed More.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Sure. Sure, yeah, you don't have anything to have to
have something to back that up.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
No, never, Look, facts have never been a problem for
me because I never pay attention to it. So there
you go.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I would to throw out there to everybody before we
get off the air, A very happy Veterans Day to all.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh amen, Thank you got a few of those in
your family?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes we do, Yep. I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
But you know, everybody out there has people, you know,
take the time to make sure that they're okay. Check
in with them, and don't just take a yeah I'm fine,
but check in with them.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, stay on that.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, stay on that. Ask The follow up is no, really,
how are you really doing?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Well it's good to know we have.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
On the positive side, we have a president now who's
got those people's backs.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yep, back, they're right, yep. All right, Well, this is
going to be quite the ride. It's going to be
fun to watch. And then all right, we'll see you
guys next week. See it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hey, it's after showtime and we are all smiling. We
got Jim and Michelle. Hello, my friends. Hey a what
a week?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Huh? You think kidding?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Something happened? What's going on now?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
You sound like whoopee. That's how she started the view
the next day.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
So I don't think it happened last night, which actually
knows pretty funny because.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Because Jim always watches the view.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I had to that share the heightst ratings ever, Is
that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah, people wanted to see him squirm. Oh then of
course I was proudly one of them.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah there you go. I hear you. It's like, okay,
I went, you know, I'm checking INSNBC and seeing an
I just got to watch it and say, oh, they're
just they're losing their minds. So it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yep, we have two callers who hopefully have not lost
their minds.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, how are you going to fit in around here?
If you still have your mind?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
There'll be the outcast there you go, let's.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Curb John on four out of Hot Springs Village, Arkansas.
Have been to Hot Springs Village myself.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
Hey, John, Hey, how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
We are great?
Speaker 7 (01:42):
That so am I still celebrating, still celebrating. I had
a friend called me this morning and he said that
President Trump, to be soon, thank god, would make concealed
carry reciprocity nationwide. Now did you hear anything about that?
(02:03):
Because I know you had two attorneys on your program,
and I see I know Arkansas from believe it or not, County, Illinois,
where I had my conceil Kerry and I had my Floyd. Well,
you can't have it anymore if you don't live there.
So I lost. You know, that's gone, right, And I
(02:25):
never I never renew it in ARC because you don't
read it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Okay, Yeah, you got constitutional care, you don't have to
have it, Okay, But there's there's a way around this.
That's pretty easy, actually, uh haf In fact, and I
know that Trump's going to try the people who are
advising him are going to try to get national reciprocity.
He can't do that unilattery that it's going to have
to go through Congress, and that's going to be tough
(02:50):
because unfortunately there are several Republicans who have opposed that
in the past. And you know, so I would like
to beat them about the head and shoulders get their
attention on that. Yes, I would wouldn't Jim, you're mad.
You're mad because you want to be first. Jim.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I was going to hold them for you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Okay, I'll do that, all right. But here's the deal, John.
Even if you live in a state where you are
not required to have a conceial cary permit, it doesn't
mean you can't get one. Arkansas still issues one. If
you want to go get a permit, then you just
get you your state permit. And then if we get
national reciprocity, that will be good everywhere.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
That would be outrageous good. That would be amazing. I
appreciate your show, and your screener is amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Oh where you can tell her directly. She's on the
air with you right now.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, hey girl, Hi, thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Thank you, you're very kind.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
You have a wonderful day.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You too, appreciate the call, you know, I was just thinking, guys.
The other part of it is, you don't have to
wait for national reciprocity for or getting a permit to
makes sense because spending on the state you're in, probably Arkansas.
I bet your permit's good in thirty different states.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Right now and several adjacent ones.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Handgun Law dot US has a whole spiel on where
resprosity is valid, right and be a good start for
anybody who's curious.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, so you don't have to wait for the national
reciprocity here, you know, get a permit. You're probably going
to be good in twenty five to thirty five states,
so you know, it may not be all of them,
but you can pick and choose which states you want
to go to at least.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Well.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
The other thing that it does is it gives you
kind of a heads up on being able to pass
that forty four to seventy three and that NIXT check
that we talked about earlier on the radio. Right you
would not have a weight because you have a concealed
carry card in most.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
States, in most states, right, not all states?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yeah, correct, Because you have a conceal carry card in
most states, you can just go ahead and purchase the
firearm after filling out the paperwork.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, that's nice where you can just show the card,
you know, and you're good to go. They already have.
They don't even have to call it in.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Do they know?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
They don't call it in.
Speaker 8 (05:05):
You still fill out the form because you know, something
has to attach a serial number to your name.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But it's all that happens.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
So if you're a pending felon with charges, you still
have to declare that the charges are existing, right, I
just sign everything?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hunter Biden, now, oh god, what you mean, dude, go
to dinner and not hungry?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, Biden said he's not going to pardon Hunter. We'll see.
I believe that when he's out of office and it's
not done. And then people saying, well, you know, he
ought to pardon him, just you know, or Trump ought
to pardon and no, no, he broke the law. I mean,
given a felony.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Come on, his dad's pulling the tough love thing to
the last day and then.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
We'll see how that works out. Hey, I scrab Bill.
He's in Charlesville, Illinois, speaking of Illinois. Yeah, hey Bill,
you made it onto the after show. What's happening?
Speaker 9 (05:56):
I I've been meaning to call you. I had got
some training. I took a class, and a friend of
mine really wanted, you know, called me up and said, hey,
we have this this. I take this class. I've taken
it a few times. Join me, let's let's do it.
And I'd been meaning to it'd be great. But we
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got there and it was it was ended up just
kind of being a glorified range trip with other guys.
I'm not sure I got any training.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, what did you do?
Speaker 9 (06:31):
Practice? Different ways to put holes in paper, and you know,
maybe tried doing it a little faster. But I don't think.
I don't know what to expect. But I don't think
that was real training.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Were you were you drawing from a holster?
Speaker 9 (06:45):
Yeah, so they said don't use your concealed carry holster.
It has to be outside the belt holster. So I
got a different holster. And you know, they had about
eighteen people and about one trainer for you know, three people,
and you know we had.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
It was outdoors.
Speaker 9 (07:03):
He had a burm and you know, lined up and
then you know, there was targets and it was like okay,
draw and then hit the blue dot and then the
red dot and then the whole cert and so it
was like little drills and guys would kind of walk
around and I don't know, maybe, I mean sometimes it
was maybe a little bit of tips.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But do you feel like, yeah, do you feel like
you learned anything?
Speaker 9 (07:31):
No, I mean I did one I compared to the
only other thing I have. I did do one hour
with a guy at the range, and it was he
was he was a trainer and and in one hour,
even though I knew about flinching, he helped me solve
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my flinch and he pointed out he was able to
see that my my red dot was a little bit off.
So he's like, yeah, you got to fix that a
little bit. And so, you know, I think even in
one hour, just you know, a few drills and then
just one on one was was miles better than all
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day at.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Arrange with a bull.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It happened, I mean, Michelle, I mean, we say there's
a bell curve in everything, and some trainers are fabulous
and some are on the other end of the scale,
and unfortunately, you may not know what you're getting into
until you get into the class.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Right, yeah, right, I mean I don't know what kind
of reviews are out there already on this on you know,
the instructors or this class necessarily, but you know, I
think just good for people who are researching things, you know,
ask around, look at the reviews, kind of take it
all in and decide what you need and what you
could possibly take away, because if you're a little more advanced,
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you need something a little more advanced.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
What was the level of the other shooters with you, Bill?
Speaker 9 (08:57):
Everybody was seemed everybody was kind of had been there before.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So how was it presented, how was it pitched?
Speaker 9 (09:05):
It was this the shooting. It was the beginning level shooters.
You couldn't take anything advanced and tell you did this one.
Somebody brought their wife or girlfriend and they got like
several more trainers helping her.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
So a bunch of different ways there out on the range.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
It's never a bad day out on the range. You're
shooting at the target, you're doing a little different thing,
you're playing battleship, you know whatever. But I guess I
expected like like here's where I was and then here's
my improvement. At the end, they did kind of a
qualification to take the next pistol class, and it was
like get you know, draw and get five shots in
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this ring and you know, so many seconds and very
few people could do it.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
So I was going to ask if they, you know,
tried to encourage the faster response time or you know,
faster shooting or anything like that. So it sounds like
at the very end just to get you, I don't
want to say hooked into the next class, but basically
setting it up to take the next thing.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Take the second class. We'll use yellow and orange dots.
Oh my god, we step up.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I was looking for practicals, like even on the air,
Tom gets good practicals, and how there's how you're going
to improve. You do this and then that and then
you can see. I think it was kind of on
this class it was just like, okay, try and do
that faster.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well with your.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
With your state and with the laws of the way
they are, it's probably hard to get instructors there would
be my guest too. Yeah, so you probably have to
do a little bit of traveling outside of your your area.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
And I would do it in an incident if I could.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, the other thing I was going to say
is that for anybody who's listening, when you're signed up
for a class, Michelle's you're right, just ask other people,
get get reviews. But the other thing is you got
to qualify the reviews because typically people who take their
first class have never had a class before. It's great,
I loved it. It may have been terrible, but they
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didn't know anything. I like to ask people, what other
classes have you been to, what other training have you had?
In other words, how do you know it was good
if you don't have anything to compare it to.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
And my friend who brought me was like it was
his first, it was his only class, and it was
he knew these people, he's been with their class before.
But he just likes, you know, he's just like going
out and shooting at things. It's a great shout out.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's not wasted time. You got to shoot some
and you may have picked up something along the way.
But to your point, I think it sounds to me
like what you're looking for is more along the lines
of self defense training, Am I right?
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, you know, do some poking around. I'll guarantee you
there's some good classes around. You may have to drive
an hour or two to get somewhere, but there's going
to be a trainer out there who does good stuff,
and you're going to be able to find somebody. And
it's okay to call the trainer and talk to him
ahead of time and say, look, what are we going
to be working on now? I mean, what kind of drills?
What are we Because if it's just going to be
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drawing from the hol stream shooting paper, ask them, are
we going to do malfunction drills? That's they're always a
key one. Oh yeah, because if they say, oh no,
we don't do that, you go, okay, well, then that's
not a good class for me. I mean, you're at
the point now you know how to draw, you know
how to shoot, you know how to head a target.
You need to work on stuff that's hard, like malfunction drills,
are moving and that kind of a thing.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Hey Bill, how far are you from Illinois? I'm sorry,
how far are you from Indiana?
Speaker 9 (12:36):
A few hours? I guess I'm more on the on
the west side.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
But okay, get there, okay, because I know there's a
lot of good stuff in Indiana.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, I go to.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
The brown Els. Uh, they had the gun show on
Brown Els and that's closer.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Mont Zuma. Oh we know what you got to do.
Then if you're that close, call up at Brownhills. This
is just wild hair and talk to their one of
their gun techts and say, look, this is what I'm
looking for, and just say I'm looking for a good
trainer in the area for a class. I'll guarantee you
they know who's around.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Absolutely really and probably any of your local ranges as well.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and but yeah, dig a little deeper.
I mean, that's not a bad day out with the
budget and you got to shoes a little bit. But yeah,
I understand what you're saying. You're going, you come away
and you're going that really wasn't what I was looking for.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean you can pay more for classes, that's
for sure. But you know, I'm definitely on my list
some days to get down the range at a studio.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Well, it's serious fun. It's a fun place, but you know,
and honestly, I mean we talk about that, but you know,
I encourage people to go wherever you can go if
you can get if you can get to a gun
site grave, you can get to see the academy, or
if you can go to your local range and they've
got a decent trainer or decent classes, it's amazing how
good the local training can be. Sometimes yeah yeah so,
(14:01):
or it can be like you got so you never.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Rub it rub it in?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
What a jerk.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
Oh, I'm sorry, you know to another thought that came
to mind, Not to beat this down, but your local
sheriff's department is a great source of information as well.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Idea, and I.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Think that you know, they always know who the outstanding
instructors are, and I think that they could probably you know,
be of use potentially.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I can't guarantee it, but potentially.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
That's a good knock because a lot of times the
sheriff's departments they're they're plugged in. You may have to
go deeper than the first layer of the person you talk.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
To there, right, Yes, you know the guy who qualifies
once a year. It's the only time in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We'll go the dispatcher. If you're just talking a dispatcher,
you say the farm's instructor. Even better, the best would
be if you cannot do it on the phone, If
you could actually stand there next to a sheriff's deputy.
They're going to go, Yeah, this guy, I don't know
about him, but there's another one. Yeah, I think you
know that kind of a deal.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, well, good luck with it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, I'm glad you got out and shot, but
you gave us a chance to talk about it here,
which is vet you know, on the front end, ask
questions and figure out what you need. I mean a
lot of people just need that basic class to get started,
and it probably was very helpful to them, but here
at the point you need something beyond that. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Yeah, just seeing if I missed something, or if I
maybe there was a glaring flag that I should have
known better.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, it sound like you did. Okay. I mean we've
all stumbled into those and you're going, yeah, this isn't
exactly what I thought I was getting into.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
You know, Tom, in a way, it's better that he
took another beginner's class than taking your course with the
lousy instructor.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Well true, or taking a class that was so advanced
that you really can't keep up. Those are no good.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Either, yeap. Either way, Wow, So well, good deal.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know, keep keep at it. Look, here's the deal.
More classes are fun, and I really encourage people to
take classes from different instructors because even if you just
get one good thing out of each class, that's worthwhile.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Yep, definitely there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, look, I appreciate the call, and I appreciate you
listening in. Thanks for all you do, Tom, Thanks sir,
you take care.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Maybe maybe this will be the year they get rid
of their FI D cards. Wouldn't that be good?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I know from Illinois? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's Illinois in the County of California.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Let's call Governor Pritzker and ask him if he would
like to help us out on that.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We should get him on the show interview.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Everything I thought I was going to respond about that
was so bad, I really, you know, And I guess
where did I just see he made? You know, the
guy's worth several billion dollars the governor turnament. I think
he inherited it from some place. I don't think he
made it himself. I think I just saw that on
TV somewhere. It look, if it's on TV, it's got
(16:59):
to be true.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Sure, yeah, sure, it's just like radio. Right.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
One sad thing about the election is that all the
money spent and lost didn't affect sorrows at all.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That's rich also be But but don't you love it
that Kamala had a billion dollars and came out in debt. Yeah,
she's twenty million in debt. And it turns out she's
paid Oprah a million dollars to interview her, and she's
paying Beyonce, and she's paying all these people who supposedly
should be donating pro bono if they really believed in her,
(17:32):
But they're just using her in her campaign as a
cash cow, which means all of their endorsements of her
were simply paid endorsements.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I hadn't hurt that swifty only.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I mean, you're a swift. You have to vote for
Kamala and naw, she paid.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
She paid Oprah a million dollars to be interviewed by Oprah.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Wo.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Now, how do you feel if you were a donor?
You say, I've got one hundred dollars I would donate
to the campaign, and then you find out that's what
they did with the money.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
See, I would interview Kala for half that. She could
have got a much better deal of me.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, no, kid, Joe Roddy would have done it for free.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Oh more about that after a break.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
There you go.
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Speaker 4 (18:54):
Nine, Jammy mentioned as we were heading out the break,
we're talking about Joe Rogan, and it's interesting. Several people
have mentioned this, and I think they're right. This election
probably marks the end of any serious dependence upon the
(19:17):
mainstream media for information.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Well mainstream media and celebrities. I guess the flip side
to the Devil's advocates to what you just said is
people have, you know, short, short memories, so you know,
a year from now, is anybody something.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I don't remember? I just can't. I'm drawing a blank.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I would like to think that this puts a lot
of the fake media to rest and celebrity endorsements and stuff,
But you know, people do have short memories and did
I mention people have short memories.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think we're going to see this rekindling. Yeah, they
may tweak.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Their m a a little bit, but they don't They're
not a party of substance. So they have to come
up with all the BS stuff and periphery stuff to
try to get the weak minded to follow them. And
it's been successful in the past. I think this time
they pushed it so much, and they pushed the woke
things so far, and people finally, just because if you
look at the numbers, the millennial men who you think
(20:10):
would be you know, open minded and everything else, they've
had enough of it.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Well. It was interesting that I did not know this.
I was just reading this like today or yesterday, And
of course Trump started going on this podcast. He didn't
even know who these podcasters were. You know who got
him going on the podcast, His son Baron, eighteen year
old Baron was the one who said, Dad, you've got
(20:37):
to go on this. This is where people are listening now.
I got him going, And I will tell you, I
think all of those in combine that with the Joe
Rogan thing, probably moved an awful lot of young men
to Trump.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, and he'd go into enemy territory. Like like Kamala
wouldn't go on a lot of shows, wouldn't do Rogan,
wouldn't do a live But Trump's like, okay this. You know,
he went into the black community. He didn't a different message.
He pitched the same message. Heed to the pitch, to
the Hispanics and to the white females. And he went
into Dearborn, Michigan and had a rally with Muslims. I mean,
Kamala would have never done the universe of that.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Ever, Trump will talk to anybody. Yeah, now he will
talk him to death. That's a whole different subject, because man,
that guy could talk.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah. Well, you know, we're not hiring him because he's
our buddy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Nope, nope, but pretty excited about where we are. I
thought Allen made a good point, young Gottlieb. He said, look,
don't look for action on guns right away, because he's
made all these promises on these what natal they are
bigger issues, you know, the border and things like that.
He's gonna be moving on those. You're basically saying, just
(21:49):
don't get impatient. We're working on it. And the fact
that Gottleeb was going down to mar A Lago this
week to talk with the key people and to see Trump.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
That's huge, right, Well, that's a beautiful thing because you think, well,
Trump's going to tackle this and then eventually he'll get
the guns. He's got a whole staff of people working
on it, so they will sit in brief and it's
going to be you know, a smaller investment of Trump's
time based on his advisors and that's why you have those.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, exactly right, So pretty exciting stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, the thing I'm concerned about, Sir Thomas is historically speaking. Now,
hopefully this will be historic history making therefore kind of
turn things around a bit. But historically, when we've had
either two or three of you know, the House, Senate
and Presidency, we do the gentlemanly, we're going to try
to reach across the aisle. We're going to do the
right thing, and the others were idiots, spineless, Yeah, idiots.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah. And look, the reality is most of the people
who are in d C are part of DC and
work within DC and they don't want to upset the
apple cart too much to where they get ostracized and
get knocked out of DC because they're making millions, all
of them making millions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
That is certainly true of members of Congress. It's certainly
not true of Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Well, and that's why I think you said he had
learned his first term, and I thought he just thought
he was a shoe in the second time.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So he was holding off on some of his things.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
And I still wanted him to have won in twenty
but I tend to see the positive in things. That's
why Michelle's still on staff.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
And I think in.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
A way, I had an endorsement earlier. What are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
She said, I got your endorsement right here, buddy.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
In a way, there's some positive that can come from
him winning this time is because now he knows they've
exposed themselves more in the past four years.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
How's she usually get arrested for that?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah, gee, I wonder why this is the after show
and not the broadcast show, you know. I mean, they've
exposed a lot of them of themselves and their their hypocrisies,
and they're backhanded and their illegal stuff and their cover
ups and everything else. And because of their self bosing
so to speak, along with his uh, seeing what's really involved.
(24:04):
He's got four years under his belt, even though he's
got a gap there. I think this is going to
be better than his second term would have.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I think I think he had a chance to think
about it for four years. The part of my going
to do if I get back in there, and I
think he's got a hardcore plan. Like I said, he's
going to go through that place like Sherman march into
the sea. You're gonna leave scorched earth. So wait, I
gotta switch here, Michelle. The funniest part of the whole
thing for me is you got Mark Cuban saying that
(24:31):
Trump doesn't like smart, powerful women, strong women, doesn't surround
himself with them. And then what's he do the very
first person he.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Needs chief of staff, the chief of staff.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
The first woman ever to be a White House chief.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of staff, smart man.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And I love it. They're describing her as she says
she's going to be the gatekeeper. I love it. She says,
no more clown cars coming into the room. In other words,
when he was there before anybody and everybody could get
in to see him. You're asking things. She is going
to be the gatekeeper and the disciplinarian that he needs
so much.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
YEP, I wonder who do you think they're going to
go with for press secretary? Because I would love to
see the first and I'm sure they have press meetings
prior to the inauguration, but the first one post inauguration
is going to be a killer.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Who would you want to see as the press secretary?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Some female that is intelligent, like a candae Own type
or a making jelly type.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Someone would go really crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I do Tucker cals Ooh, he's not that much of
a lady.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But great, I mean really honestly, just like for a
week I just want to tuck her in there for
a week.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
One week, he would be great.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Oh my gosh, can you even imagine?
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean it's somebody with the he'd be perfect,
you know, somebody with the press experience, knows all the
angles put up.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I mean, it's like you didn't have to play polite. Yeah,
shut up, that's stupid.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Do you know who it would suck to be is
all those reporters that have stayed on staff after the
transition for their news sources.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Right, they got to face the music with.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yes, absolutely right, it's gonna be great. So yeah, and
you know whoever it is the transition, the contrast with
the current Press secretary would be phenomenal. It's gonna be
so much fun watch that. So I don't know, you know,
it's strap in. Yeah, it's gonna be a it's gonna
(26:40):
be a hoot and a half. And there's gonna be
a lot of stuff happening in the next seventy seventy
one days.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, probably more guessing than anything else.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But we have to we have to use it. We've
got to this time go for the throat.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I mean, it's like, well, our competitor is down on
the field, let's help him up.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Historically, no, you put them away.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
But and not to mention staying, I guess, aware of
what's going on and making sure the midterm election goes
the way that we need it to as well. You know, yeah,
because we've got this, we can't you know, we got
to keep our momentum.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Well, yes, but like I say, typically the midterms swing
hard the other direction, which means you really only have
two years. I would say that there's almost no chance
that the Republicans have control of House and the Senate
after the midterms.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Doubtful, but who knows.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
I mean, nobody saw the wave of red coming through either.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
True true, and we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I mean, I guess it depends on how confused.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, and I'm excited to watch what happens. I think
he's going to be considerably more focused this time. One
of the things that happens is I think the presidents
tend to be shocked at how fast four years goes.
It's like, wow, we didn't get nearly as much time
as I wanted. Well, yeah, because you're fighting the battle.
(28:06):
But I mean I could just see him. It's like
if you've got a senator or a congressman who won't
play ball and won't get on the line, you just go, Okay, Yeah,
that military base you got, it's gone. It's gone. What
do you mean, No, No, as of two o'clock to day,
we're closing it down. You know, you just lost ten
thousand jobs in your district. Now we won't have that
(28:28):
conversation again. Yeah, I mean, just hardball, ye, super, I
mean we're talking serious. This is how it is. He
doesn't have to get reelected, he doesn't have to make
any friends, you know he is do you think from
a position of strength and power, and you got to
use it ruthlessly, honestly, ruthlessly is the way to go.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I wonder where ruth is ruth We're ruthless, you're going to.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Just I do have a closing question for you, though, Tom,
what is your take on to what to me is
the most important part of this whole thing, And it's
on the road, but it's it's the entry point.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
We're in the we're through the door.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Now, what is your take on the Dems between now
and inauguration playing some games with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
They trying to move out, move out.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Their younger justices so they can get or move out
their older justice so they can get younger ones in
for the next thirty four.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Ye that's what they're trying to do with Sonya Soda
mayor and trying to get encourage her to retire. Well,
that's not happening. She's already said she's not going to
and the suggestions of that have been met pretty much
across the board with you know, how disrespectful can you
be to her individually? And of course they always say,
we know we support women, you know, women of color,
(29:39):
women of whatever, and really you're going to say, you know,
we want to dump you. We're going to basically do
a Biden on you.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I was just going to say, you're questioning how they
treat somebody for overlooking Biden.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, So yeah, they're going to try something. Now,
that's not really where the action is going to be.
There's going to be in uh, trying to lock down
bureaucracies and rules and laws if they can of treaties
of things that where they can try to hamstring Trump
when he gets in. There will be a lot of
(30:12):
that going on. Just there's no doubt, and that's part
of the we don't accept the results of the election.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I'm taking the ball and I'm going home. It's my ball.
It's got your ball anymore, is it? Now?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
What I really hope though, is that Trump surrounds himself
with very strong people who understand the calling and the
cause and are not there to be part of the
DC process. He talked about actually getting some of the
government departments out of DC altogether. Good, you know, have
(30:48):
them go out and be like in the middle of
the country where they actually talk with real people.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Let's get rid of the ATF, get rid of the
Department of Education. Hey, what do you think Mike Dwayne's
going to do when he has to now he has
to sub substitute replaced jd Vance. Oh that's going to
be a big deal for all high folks, that is,
isn't it, Because he's his choice. He's made the past
it has been pretty pretty shaky.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, but you know, on the good side, I gotta
tell you, I wasn't sure. But you look, everybody knows
jd Vance's background, and but kind of like what he says.
I like the way he approaches things. That's he doesn't
get all upset and get all worked up. He's pretty
levelheaded guy.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
So we'll see what happened to Jadvance. What you're hinting.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I think that probably is already underway.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'm sure, especially after the debate. I mean the debate
was he was.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
A rust well, but then again, when you're up against
both of the clown see.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
They have handicapped like they're doing golf for her.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Gosh, you know about Tim Walltz Well, what a goofball?
Holy cow? Uh? Just you know what happens to him?
The poor people of Minnesota. How did they have him
as a governor? Jeez? Can you imagine? So anyway, anyway,
I'm just you know, I'm still partying over here. I'm
having a ball. This is going to be great, and
it's going to be a great spectator sport. We'll see
(32:16):
what happens.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Let me know when you get that European mount bullet
head great.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Michelle, you may have been on the phone. Did you
got the story about the bullet Yeah, stuck in this
tear's forehead basically here right on its nosebridge and it's
stuck in the bone. I mean it's lodged in hard.
This thing has been walking around with this, you know,
a piece of jewelry sticking out of his nose. Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, incredible, So that's.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Kind of cool. I don't haven't measured it. I'm not sure,
but I'm just gonna say it's a creed More just
to make fun of the creed More.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Sure. Sure, yeah, you don't have anything to have to
have something to back that up.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
No, never, Look, facts have never been a problem for
me because I never pay attention to it. So there
you go.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I would to throw out there to everybody before we
get off the air, A very happy Veterans Day to all.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh amen, Thank you got a few of those in
your family?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes we do, Yep. I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
But you know, everybody out there has people, you know,
take the time to make sure that they're okay. Check
in with them, and don't just take a yeah I'm fine,
but check in with them.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, stay on that.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, stay on that. Ask The follow up is no, really,
how are you really doing?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Well it's good to know we have.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
On the positive side, we have a president now who's
got those people's backs.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yep, back, they're right, yep. All right, Well, this is
going to be quite the ride. It's going to be
fun to watch. And then all right, we'll see you
guys next week. See it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I take care. We'll catch you next time for the
gun talk after show.
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