November 17, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Smith & Wesson offers an exclusive, collectible, revolver. Kevin Wilson from Davidson's reveals this new, limited, introduction.
-- A judge at a Polish shooting competition shoots a competitor, sparking a discussion of gun safety and how do you tell someone he's being unsafe.
-- Will the new Trump Administration eliminate the ATF?
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-- Smith & Wesson offers an exclusive, collectible, revolver. Kevin Wilson from Davidson's reveals this new, limited, introduction.
-- A judge at a Polish shooting competition shoots a competitor, sparking a discussion of gun safety and how do you tell someone he's being unsafe.
-- Will the new Trump Administration eliminate the ATF?
Gun Talk 11.17.24 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. Tom Gresham here. If
you want to join us, well, you know the drill,
it's pretty easy, give me a call it Tom Talk
Gun And yes, there's a lot of election stuff to
talk about, and we're going to keep talking about that,
and you're welcome to call in and talk about that.
But we got to talk about guns because there's just
more cool guns coming out all the time, and there
are people out there who just like to put out
(00:34):
interesting stuff and they have the wherewithal to put it
all together. One of those is the folks over at
Davidson's down in Prescott, Arizona. They're a distributor, one of
the I you can call it a middleman, where the
manufacturers sell to the distributor, to distributor sells to the
dealer and it works out really well for everybody because
they've become the warehouse and the banker for the gun stores.
(00:57):
Joining me right now to talk about Kevin Wilson from
Davison's Kevin, you got a new gun that really got
my attention. The minute I got the release on this,
I said, we have to talk about this because frankly
I like wheel guns.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh I do too, Tom, and this one is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So tell me what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, this is the Smith and Wesson Model twenty, which
used to be known originally as the Heavy Duty and
it was originally chambered in thirty eight forty four and
then they came out with a three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So this is kind of a.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Reintroduction of that, but we did a very limited production run.
But this is, like I say, a reintroduction of the
original Model twenty in three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, The thing is it's gorgeous. It's blued. This is
not a stainless gun.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's got a really deep blued finish on it
and some really nice premium rosewood grips.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Got a fluted cylinder, six inch barrel, six round capacity.
I mean, now, the Model twenty, what size frame is that?
Because people know, you know, K frame, in frame, bel frame?
Where's this for?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
This is an inframe?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, so it's a full size inframe.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yes, sir, so you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
A lot of people are gonna say, man, I would
buy that, but it's just too darn pretty to shoot.
And I look at it and go, I am taking
that to the range first day.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Man, Oh, it's a shooter. I mean, if you know anything.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
About Smith and Western revolvers.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That's what they're made to do.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You could treat this as a safe queen, it's that
good looking.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But I would shoot it all day long.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, you know what, you and I are shooters, man.
It's like, okay, yeah, People say, are you a gun collector?
Says actually no, I got a lot of guns, but
I am not a collector. Everything I have it has
been shot and will continue to be shot.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
That's a fact. There is nothing in my safe that's unfired.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There you go, all right, So give it the background
on this, because this is not the first one in
this series.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Originally we started with this platform.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We did a tribute to the Texas Rangers, and that
was last year, I think it was their two hundredth anniversary.
So we did a four inch model and it had
some really nice gold inlaid grave engraving, had the Texas
Rangers symbol on there. The backstrap said one Riot one Ranger,
(03:42):
and we just really made it very very special. And
we only did two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Of those and they were gone.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They were gone, So we knew the demand was there.
So we came out with another four inch model twenty
without the engraving, okay, and that's really the only difference,
and that was a limited run. Those sold out, and
that was another four inch. So this time we decided
(04:11):
to come out with a six inch barrel and this
has just been announced. We just got them in and
this one is limited as well to five hundred years.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh okay, so you know what the dealers this is
going to sell out too.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I wouldn't doubt it one bit.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, I'm looking at MSRP on this is fifteen forty
nine up to dealers to how they were selling. Because
people don't buy directly from you, but they kind of can,
right yeah there.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Our consumer website is Gallery Offsguns dot com, right, and
basically the way that works is a consumer can order
from our inventory, but it goes through their local dealer.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Makes sense because you can't sell to an individual anyway
cross state lines, so you got to send it to
the dealer. Now, how does that work on the pricing?
Do they work the deal out on the pricing with
the dealer or do they just buy it straight from
you and pay you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, we put you go to a Gallery of Guns
dot com website and basically you ask for a quote,
and we're going to show you all the dealers within
say twenty five mile radius. Those dealers set their own pricing.
Oh okay, So you just pick out the dealer you want,
(05:34):
and you know, give us a little bit of a deposit,
and we're going to ship it to that dealer, okay,
and then you finish up, you do the next check,
you do the paperwork, and you pay the dealer that balance. Now,
the cool thing is, unlike other online places, there's no
(05:54):
transfer fee because we consider it a sale to that dealer.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Huh. Okay, so the dealer is not charging a transfer fee.
They're basically selling you the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Gun, really, right, because the Gallery Guns really got started
for two reasons, one to help consumers find inventory, but
also to support our Davidson's FFL retailers. So we consider
it as a sale through that dealer.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You're just ordering from our inventory.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, and that's actually a pretty significant savings. Depending on
the dealer, they can charge anywhere from thirty to fifty
dollars for a transfer, so you're getting away from that.
That adds to your savings of the deal exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And the price you see quoted on the website, that
is the final price. That will not be one dollar
added to that when you go pick it up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, So, Kevin, you just announced this like a
couple of days ago as we're talking here on Sunday.
When's it going to be a I mean a lot
of times things are announced way ahead of time. When's
it going to be available? When can people go buy
one of these?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's available right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh okay, so people better move, get off their rear
ends and go yes, because this is not one of
those Well, I'll wait till Christmas in order. I'm not
sure that's a good plan.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
No, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I would get to get with your local dealer right
away and see if they can get one on order
for you, because they won't. They will not last long.
But one thing we are very careful about, we don't.
We don't announce things or start blowing a horn about things.
And did not have it available for two or three months.
(07:44):
So this one's in inventory right this minute.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Okay over at Gallery of Guns dot Com. All right,
let me ask you this question, because you know, you're
just kind of a gun guy the way I am
and I have. I think I'm seeing something, but you've
got a better finger on the pulse of a gun
buying public. I think I am seeing a somewhat slightly
maybe kind of renewed interest and increased interest in revolvers.
(08:07):
Where do you think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Oh, I've definitely seen that. And you know that's kind
of a cycle thing too.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You saw for years and years everybody wants a polymer frame,
non millimeter semi auto, right, but they might have started
on revolvers, and people are coming back to revolvers and
I've seen you know, newshooters embrace that wheel gun world,
(08:39):
if you will. But I just don't think it ever
goes out of style. And we kind of proved it
with these model twenties flying out as soon as we
got them in, so we know the interest is there.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
All right, you might appreciate this. I was thinking about
what is it about revolvers. I mean, I grew up
in revolvers, and you know, I've got lots of semis
just like you do and love those and shoot them,
but there's just something different. The feel is different, and
it occurs to me I now think of semi auto
pistols as digital and revolvers of analog.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'd think that's a great comparison, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Especially when you're doing double action. I mean you're activating
the function of the revolver. You're pulling the trigger and
you're turning the cylinder and the hammer's coming back and
you're making this thing work, and it's a different feel.
And then people don't realize once they get into they go, well,
these things are actually really accurate. They're shooters, and of
course all guys like me going duh, yes, of course
(09:42):
they are.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And and the way you describe it kind of makes
me think of a manual transmission.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh yes, automatic versus manual. I love it. That's been perfect,
exactly right. It's just something cool about it. And you know,
betpending on the model, particularly what the like the little
there's a real place for those as a co pocket gun,
as a hideaway gun. So revolvers have a real place
not just oh they're cool and interesting and old, but
(10:09):
they're actually very functional.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, I mean, you've got world champions out there that
shoot revolvers. If you don't think of revolvers accurate or fast,
I got one word for you, Jerry very bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I guarantee you if you you know, just show
somebody a video of Jerry shut the you know. The
other thing I'm just thinking about this is once you
get into it, you start to understand there's a whole
world of things to learn, and there are now classes.
You can go to gun site, you can take revolver classes,
you can go down to our place range Ready Studios
(10:43):
in Louisiana and take revolver classes, and people go, well,
what is there to learn? Just like everything else, once
you start in that world, you go wow, I had
no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, And it is a completely different experience and I
would recommend to anybody to get training because it's it's
a whole different experience. But that's that's what's really cool
about the firearms world is there's always something to learn,
there's always something different, and there's a place for everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, exactly right. So Davidson's if you want to look
at the website Davidson's Inc. Dot com. But really, the
galleryoguns dot Com is the place to go, isn't.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It, Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Now, a lot of times if we have some really
high demand items, they will be allocated. So in the
case of an item like that, just get with your
local dealer and get them on the phone with their
account rep that Davidson's, and we'll get you set up.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Sounds good, Kevin Wilson. I appreciate your time. It's good
to get back in touch with you, man.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Good to hear from you. Tom. I appreciate you having
me on.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Hey, cool cool revolver. I really like the look to this.
When people take a look at it, go to the website,
they're gonna look at that and go that is really
it's retro, but it's modern and it's slick, and you know,
Christmas is coming, folks, it's time. Thanks Kevin, Thank you, Tom.
All right, eighty sixty six talk gun. I'm Tom Gresham.
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Speaker 2 (14:29):
I did not know I was going to go here
at this moment today, but during the break, I just
saw a video online. You may have seen it. It's
a little short, thirteen second video clip. It's from Poland.
A shooting competition there, and it's going to lead me
to asking you a question. The video clip shows a
(14:51):
contestant has a shotgun. It looks like maybe a three
gun type competition, but you can't tell. The contestas stand
there and there's a free judge or or whatever, and
he's got another gun. Looks like he's trying to do
something to it, maybe get it unloaded something. And as
you're watching it, it's like you're going no, no, no, no, no,
no no no no. And this judge swings the muscle
(15:14):
over past the contestant and yes, shoots him at point
blank range with a shotgun. Mike. It brings up a
lot of questions. Have you had occasion to speak to
someone either somebody you're with hunting or somebody at the range,
(15:38):
about muscle awareness, about don't point that gun over here,
How did you go about it? What did you say
to the person? It also brings us to the point
of reminding everyone of being aware of your surroundings. Don't, frankly,
don't trust anybody. If somebody else is handling a gun
(15:59):
around you, to be aware of that, you need to
be watching them. If you're at a competition and you're
supposed to be the only one who's handling a gun
and you become aware of somebody handling a gun to
your side or behind you, and they're not supposed to stop, stop,
stop what you're doing, get a beat on them. Look
(16:20):
that is not your gun. But with your eyes, look
at them, find out what's going on. And don't be shy, bashful, reticent,
reluctant at all to say something you. I swear to God,
we sometimes put ourselves in mortal danger because we are
(16:42):
afraid of embarrassing ourselves. It happens in self defense situations
out in the street. Oh, I don't want to walk
to the other side of the street because those young
men over there may be offended and think that I profile.
Then I don't care. If I'm getting that weird teely
(17:05):
feeling in the back of my neck, I'm going to
take some action. I am crossing the street. I'm going
to go into a store. I'm going to go get
back in my car. I'm not going out of the
parking lot. I'm doing a one adye and go in
another direction. And if somehow I have offended somebody, they
say something about it, and that turns out I'm wrong,
I'll apologize, but I can't apologize if I've been mugged
(17:28):
and injured or killed. Same thing at the range or
when hunting. I lost a good hunting, a good friend
I wouldn't hunt with anymore. He was incapable of keeping
his muscle pointed in a safe direction. And I spoke
to him about it twice, and that's all you get
(17:50):
with me. You get two. That's it. The first time
is be careful that muscle, or watch where you're pouring
that muscle, or if I'm feeling a little bit sarcastic,
I'll say, you know, I really wouldn't mind if you
didn't point your gun at me again. The second time
is going to be We're done. I'm gone, We're not
(18:11):
doing this anymore because I'm not going to give you
another chance to point a gun at me. And we
never hunted again together. And I don't know if he
was offended or not. I don't care. I'm okay with that.
If he's offended because I was offended. You're pointing a
gun at me. You could hurt me, you could kill me.
(18:32):
So the question is, have you had an occasion to
have to speak to someone a friend or not public range,
private range hunting situation at a gun store and how
did you go about that? Give me a call eight
six ' six talk Gun. Let's go talk to Ron
(18:52):
and Reno on two. Hey, Ron, you're on gun Talk.
What is on your mind?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (18:57):
Hey, I was at a the other day and the
guy has for sale a five milimeter magnum And I'm
not a computer person, and I was learning what you
could tell me pluses and minuses of this gunnar and
what I should.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Look for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The five milimeter Reyminton magnum. Oh gosh, I guess that
came out like forty five years ago. Ballpark. It's a
rim fire cartridge. It's not reloadable. It is kind of
a part of a twenty two magnum, but it has
more power than a twenty two magnum. He uses a
heavier bullet that at seventeen hmr It's it's a cool
(19:40):
cartridge and it's a cool rifle. You. For a long
time you couldn't get any Ammo because Reminton stopped making
Ammo and nobody else made it, and obviously you couldn't
reload it. But now Aguila a g u I l
l A. People call it a Gila, But Aguila makes
Ammo for the five milimeter rimage and magnum, so you
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can buy Ammo for it. The trick would be here
is why would you want to do that? What was
the price? Do you remember what he was asking for
the rifle?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
I think it was six fifty right around there.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, that's kind of what they're going for. And I just, well,
let me back up. I own a five milimeter Riminton
Magnum rifle and I picked up a brick of Ammo
rather five million Rammo for Magula. So I have one,
so I know it and I like it and it
works really well. But honestly, unless you're a weird guy
(20:39):
like me and like cool strange guns, I would have
a hard time figured out why anybody would buy one
these days. Because you're limited on AMMO, you're not going
to find it almost anywhere. I mean, you'd have to
be crazy to find five milimeters Ramo on the shelf anywhere.
But also, you can get a seventeen HMR rifle for
the same price and find AMMO every where. And I
(21:01):
would argue that it's probably a better round for most things.
So it's cool, it's interesting, it's historical. But even though
I own one, I can't even justify me own anyone,
much less suggest to anybody else buy one. Now. Having
(21:22):
said that, if you think it's cool, and if you
remember it from when it came out, which I do.
We had one when I was a kid, And you go, well,
that would be a fun thing to have, and you
can get a good deal on it, which I did,
much less than that price. Yeah, go ahead. I firmly
(21:42):
recognize that I have a problem. I have a problem
buying these cool little guns, and this one makes no
sense at all, no sense whatsoever. But I like it.
I like the idea that I have a five millimeter
rim and to magnum And when I tell people out
thinking what what is that and it gives me as
(22:04):
heanced to talk about it. It's kind of like by
two eighty four Winchester and my three point thirty eight
ops six Goofy carcases for goofy people like me. I
guess what else is there? I'm out there shooting pictures
of the snow coming down here and the break. It
(22:24):
is no one like crazy around here. Man. I am
so glad. We got into camp and got a camp out.
We had a wall tent of other stuff we had
to bring out yesterday. We got in there, flew in,
loaded it all up, came out and while we were
in there, took that fifteen year old. Congratulations. Nick Les
did a good job in there, and he got his
mule deer. He did some hiking, went up the hill.
(22:46):
Good bit. So got to work a bit. That was fun,
good stuff, all right. Eight six X talk gun gets
you in your Joe called in out of New Jersey. Joe,
you're on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Tom?
Speaker 10 (23:00):
I don't have a chance to if you had a
chance to read the email Assentia earlier in the week.
But with Bruin, the Supreme Court affirm that the ability
of a person to carry a concealed weapon is an
individual constitutional right, and looking at the Bill of Rights,
I can't find any other right that I have to
pay a fee to the government for to exercise. Yet
in places like New Jersey and New York, they're making
(23:22):
it outrageously expensive to exercise that constitutional right. And my
question is is there any legal action that you're aware
of where they're challenging the fact that government is charging
you this outrageous fee.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, actually more than that. It's one as they're charging
outrageous fees someplaces. The other is they are taking a
long long a year or two years to process the applications,
which of course they'll you know, Martin Luther Keing quote,
a right delayed is a right denied. And so there
(23:56):
are suits that are actually tackling both of those in
various places. I go back to what you said originally. Look,
this is an individual right. It's guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
It's guaranteed by the US Constitution, not granted, but guaranteed
by that. And now, even though the Supreme Court has
said that requiring permits or carries are okay, I'm not
(24:22):
sure how that comports with the Second Amendment. And the Constitution.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
What do you think, Well, you know I'd be okay
if they say, okay, permit and it's free. You know
it's free because we're not going to charge you to
exercise a constant. You know, I don't have to pay
them a fee to go to church. I don't have
to pay them, you know, paying a fee to protect
my house from warrantless search and Caesar's. But you know,
why should I have to pay them a fee and
you want to permit. I won't argue that with you
(24:48):
right now, But damned if I want to pay a
fee to exercise a constitutional right, well right now, New
Jersey just bumped it hard. Costs three hundred dollars every
two years.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And if we're at the same time, remember at the
same time we had this movement going across the country.
More than half the states now have constitutional carry, where
you are not required to have a permitted at all
to carry a gun concealed for your own self protection
or for whatever reason you want. You can carry a
loaded gun concealed in more than half the states, no
permit required. That's a movement that's growing and growing, and
(25:24):
we'll see expand. Now here comes the next question. Let
me know this at you. Donald Trump has said that
he is going to sign national Reciprocity if Congress would
pass it. I don't know if they will. But then again,
I'm thinking, well, why don't we just go to Constitution
to carry and get rid of permits completely so you
don't have to say, mother, may I and ask the
(25:46):
permission of the government to exercise a constitutional right.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
And that would be great, But what the filibuster is
still in place down tom I don't see that that happening.
So that's kind of, you know, wishful from my perspective,
wish but I'm hoping that somebody challenges And by the way,
I think that discriminates against lower income people because I
don't think many lower income people, on top of the
(26:11):
cost of the gun, can afford to lay out three
hundred dollars every two years to acquire and renew a
concealed carrier for me. I mean, how discriminatory is that?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I would agree completely, and I believe that's one of
the bases that they're using for these lawsuits. But I'll
keep you posted. You know what you can do also
if you go to the Second Amendment Foundation's website saf
dot org. They have a list of all the lawsuits
they're involved with. I bet you can find one of
those and see what's going on with that. So check
that out. Saf dot org. Appreciate the call, Joe. Let
(26:43):
me grab Charlie out of Illinois. He's got Well, you
talk about from the fire into the or rather frying
pan into the fire. We just went from New Jersey
to Illinois. Sorry, Charlie, but that's what you got over there.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Tom? I am great.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm watching what's going on with the I guess more
than one of these so called a saw weapon bands
in Illinois and the court challenges to it. It's fascinating
to watch, but maybe it's more interesting if I'm out here.
But you're in the middle of it. Yes we are.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
I'm just curious about what your take on that is.
And what's this thirty day week.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Thing that the judge m M imposed.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, okay. Judge Stephen McGlenn, Federal District judge. He ruled
that Illinois's ban on semi automatic firearms and standard capacity
magazines is unconstitutional. He says done can't be enforced permanent injunction.
It's done, but he put a thirty day stay on.
In other words, we're going to put it on pause
for thirty days and then won't go into effect for
(27:47):
thirty days. Here's why he does it because he knows
the state is going to appeal and if he doesn't
put the stay on, the people are going to go, oh, well,
I can go buy him right now. And then like
five days later, the state goes and asks for a
stay on its own and they will get the stay.
The court will give them the stay. So the judge says, Okay,
(28:10):
here's what we're going to do. I know how this works.
I'm going to put this thirty days stay on it
to allow the state time to appeal, because that's where
we're going anyway. And rather than have the public get
whiplash and thinking oh I can buy it now, I
can't back and forth. So you and I both don't
like it. But that's how it works. Now. The decision
(28:30):
from Stephen McGlenn the judge, is a work of art.
If you could find a copy of it. It's long.
It's one hundred and sixty six pages long, but man,
he gets it and it's really really good. Now there's
another case going through Illinois on the again. This is
I think the Chicago man on so called assault weapons.
That one did not go well for us in the
(28:51):
Seventh Circuit. All of this, here's the thing, there's a
lot of things happening at once, and I think the
Supreme Court very well may take a similar case coming
out of Maryland. It's called the Snope case, and that's
a ban on semi automatic firearms. If they take that
and they rule against this band and they say you
(29:13):
cannot ban these guns, then I think the whole all
the Chicago laws go away, all the other assault weapon
bands go away, all of them go away on the
basis of this case. And we're really hoping that the
Supreme Court will take the Snope case. At the same
time we're working on the Illinois case, where I say
we that's the second foundation in Farm's policy, coalitions, the
(29:33):
NRA Gun Arms of America, we're all involved with this.
I don't know if that helps you. I mean, you're
in the middle of it, and it's a mess, and
you're still living under this ban. I guess what I
would say to you is that help is on the way.
It's either going to come in the form of striking
down the Illinois law, or it's going to come in
(29:55):
the form of the Supreme Court taking the Snope case
and striking it down and may and that the law
of the land across across the board. I appreciate the
calle Charlie, thank you very much. Eight sixty six Talk
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
All right, we're back with you and you know what
we are. Open lines. Have you got a range report?
You want to share a gun you've been out shooting
an experience you had? Also, of course, I'm asking have
you ever had to gently or otherwise speak to someone
about unsafe gun handling? And how did you handle that?
I'd love to hear that story. Larry called in has
online three calling out at which taf falls Texas. Hey, Larry,
(33:26):
you're on Gun Talk. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 11 (33:29):
So I listened on podcasts aw long as a week behind.
But you were asking about our wish list for what
the incoming administration could do, and that got me to thinking.
And if I had, if I had the two leaders
of the House, the two houses, and the President and
elevator for thirty seconds, this is what I would ask
for from the legislation. I would like to take suppressors
(33:53):
off the NFA. I would like to have a national
outline of any kind of merchant categor glory code for firearms.
And I would like to see them do some fixed
knicks actions to sort of mandate what's reported in there
so that people don't fall through the cracks. If we
got to have that system, we might as well have
a system that works, you know. And you know, if
(34:15):
I and with the presidents here, you know, a lot
of people want to banish the ATF, I would turn
the ATF around. And you know, one of the first
things I would do is have an office there with
the hotline that would enforce the Firearms Owners Protection Act.
You know, that act that basically outlawed machine guns, also
was supposed to protect firearm firearm owners transporting their firearms
(34:40):
through nonperfinisity.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, and that's ignored by a number of the states.
A number of states ignore that and they will charge
you with transporting your gun through their state, even though
that is protected under federal law.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
Absolutely. And if there was a hotline or a branch
of the ATF that enforced that Act and would go
after those officials that are pushing that, I think we
could end that, you know. Uh. And and along those lines,
you know, we've we've seen a lot of news about
(35:14):
the ATF going after rogue gun dealers and stuff, and
it just struck me. There's there's there's a bunch of
articles out there about certain gun shops and they name them,
but I've never seen that those particular gun shops that
are the most heinous ones have ever been shut down.
And I think I think a group in the ATF
(35:36):
that literally their job was go after straw purchasers. If if,
if they get identified as as having been a straw
purchaser and they get a pled down or whatever, have
that office just scrutinize those people and chase after them.
And basically, if you're out to buying guns for bad people,
(35:56):
we need to make your life miserable forever.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But the flip side of that is we get ATF
to stop persecuting and prosecuting FFLs or gun stores are
trying to put them out of business. Right now, they
are I'm not making this up. They are under orders
to try to eliminate as many gun stores as they can,
to find as many paperwork issues, a little transposed numbers
(36:21):
or whatever, so they find these problems in the records
and they can pull the licenses of gun stores. And
that is the orders that these inspectors are given from
the ATF right now, that needs to stop immediately. We
don't know who are new ATF director is going to
be that's going to be interesting. Where a lot of
people are talking about Brandon Herrera, uh, the AK guy,
and a lot of people follow him on social media.
(36:45):
I don't know, but I like where you're going with this, Larry.
I just don't know what they're going to be able
to do. I think, look, I appreciate the call. I
think they're going to be able to do a lot.
I think once it gistration gets in, we're going to
see an incredible amount of effort and activity. And you
(37:08):
got a lot of the Democrats and the Liberals and
the media, but then again that's redundant. Say well, you
know they're just they're going to be doing so much,
and you know that's just going to upset the status quo. Duh.
That is what the election was about, to get rid
of the status quo, to get rid of a lot
(37:31):
of government workers. I saw it. I don't know if
this is true. They either saw or heard a number
that like eight to ten percent government workers in DC
actually work at the offices in DC. They actually work
from home, which means they don't really work of course.
And I like what Elon Musk did at Twitter. He
walked in and fired eighty percent of the people, and
(37:52):
productivity went up and they got more done. Eighty percent
of the people gone. Can you imagine the savings if
you could get rid of eighty percent of the government workers.
And here's the deal, people, So well, you know, but
we need government functions. Actually we don't need nearly as
many government functions as people have gotten used to. Remember,
what you have come to think of as normal is not.
(38:15):
You just have been normalized to it, you have become
accustomed to it. But the reality is we don't really
need very much government. It doesn't do much to it
or for us, but it does a lot to us.
So if we could get rid of oh seventy percent
(38:36):
of government of government workers have to go out and
actually try to make a real living somewhere, I think
we would all benefit from that, and I know we would,
and I think that is really part of the goal
of what's going to be happening. What are they going
to do for the Second Amendment? Actually a lot some
by executive order and some will have to go through Congress,
(38:56):
and some of them will just be cleaning out what's
going on at these agents. Well, as we say, let's
go to the phone Marks in Park City, Montana, with
a call, Hey, Mark, what's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (39:16):
Yeah, Tom, thanks for taking my call. I just put
together a rifle lengths gas system may or Tony in Barrow,
and I took it out and the wind was howling
about thirty five miles an hour, so it was kind
of a rough rough spot. But I had I put
about thirty yearrounds through it, and it acts like it's undergased.
(39:39):
It was like sometimes it would work, sometimes it would
extract the sail to pick up the next round. Sometimes
it was failed to extract. And I look at the
ones that were in. They did extract, and it wasn't
throwing them all that far compared to mostly ours. Seemed
to be over gas. But I just wondered your thoughts
on that. I wondered if I had been haven't wet enough.
(40:01):
I wonder if I need to put weight in the buffer?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Two boy, we call the wrong guy. I will tell
you right up front. Everybody knows I don't build a RS,
I don't work on guns. I don't even do repairs
on guns. I barely mount scopes on guns. Yeah, James's
barely clean them. That's true. Well, it's not an odd
number year, so I don't clean them until it's odd
(40:24):
number year. So I'm the wrong guy. You got to
ask somebody else on putting it together and putting all
those parts together, because I just not my thing. I
don't work on I don't change the oil and cars. I
am the least mechanical person I have ever known. However,
having said that, you should be able to fix this
first of all, ars run best when wet. I would
(40:46):
love it up like crazy and run it and see
if it breaks in, if it smooths out. If that
doesn't do it, then you're gonna have to find an
ar specialist or somebody that knows this stuff locally to
help you out with it. As for doing the initial
shooting in thirty mile an hour winds, you know the
drill there is you can't really care where the bullet's
going to hit, but they're blowing around the wind. Even
(41:07):
a one hundred yards, they're going to be blown out
in the wind. So there you go. I'm sorry I
cannot help you with that, but I just simply own
up to the fact that I am not the mechanical guy.
That's really simple as that. Real quick, I'm going to
get David here, Dave, I got forty five seconds for
you dive in on the ATF.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
Tom.
Speaker 12 (41:25):
You're pissing me off because you're too accepting and acquiescing
to the ATF and too soft and shall not be infringed.
Gun owners have rights to buy and sell to anybody
and from anybody that's not a felon, and even that
is dicey. But you shall not be infringed is the
(41:45):
crux of the amendment, and that is what it means,
and you need to be more militant about it.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
What should you wait? Wait? Be specific? What should I say?
Tell me what you want me to say?
Speaker 12 (41:57):
Rights and getting them back as a result of sun.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Dave, you got to stop talking long enough to hear me,
because as you're talking, you can't hear me. What do
you want me to say?
Speaker 12 (42:09):
I want you to say that the ATF should be disbanded,
that there's no excuse for the ATF. It's an unconstitutional
agency on its face, but there's no excuse for gun
owners who are for gun stores to be audited and
harassed or anything else. You can buy guns from private
parties or gun stores or anyone you want. As an
American citizens, it's your birthright.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You must not have heard me before when I say
I don't think there should be such a thing as
a gun store or an FFL. I like the pre
nineteen sixty eight when I grew up, when there was
no such thing as FFLs or federal farms licenses or
having to get a background check. I personally have said
I think we should repeal every gun law in America.
(42:52):
I'll start with only half this year as a compromise,
and then we'll go after half each year. So if
you think that I am not or not militant enough,
you haven't listened to this program for law. I have
for thirty years advocated repealing every single gun control law
in the United States of America. So that's a good start,
(43:13):
and then we'll work our way from there. So before
you get all worked up and you think you know
where I am, rather than launching into it, you might
start with a question or two to find out if
you are grounded in your assumption. So we all know
what happens when you assume, all right, let me come back,
what can the new administration do. We're gonna be talking
(43:36):
to somebody who's got a pretty good idea on that
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. Tom Gresham here. If
you want to join us, well, you know the drill,
it's pretty easy, give me a call it Tom Talk
Gun And yes, there's a lot of election stuff to
talk about, and we're going to keep talking about that,
and you're welcome to call in and talk about that.
But we got to talk about guns because there's just
more cool guns coming out all the time, and there
are people out there who just like to put out
(00:34):
interesting stuff and they have the wherewithal to put it
all together. One of those is the folks over at
Davidson's down in Prescott, Arizona. They're a distributor, one of
the I you can call it a middleman, where the
manufacturers sell to the distributor, to distributor sells to the
dealer and it works out really well for everybody because
they've become the warehouse and the banker for the gun stores.
(00:57):
Joining me right now to talk about Kevin Wilson from
Davison's Kevin, you got a new gun that really got
my attention. The minute I got the release on this,
I said, we have to talk about this because frankly
I like wheel guns.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh I do too, Tom, and this one is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So tell me what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, this is the Smith and Wesson Model twenty, which
used to be known originally as the Heavy Duty and
it was originally chambered in thirty eight forty four and
then they came out with a three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So this is kind of a.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Reintroduction of that, but we did a very limited production run.
But this is, like I say, a reintroduction of the
original Model twenty in three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, The thing is it's gorgeous. It's blued. This is
not a stainless gun.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's got a really deep blued finish on it
and some really nice premium rosewood grips.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Got a fluted cylinder, six inch barrel, six round capacity.
I mean, now, the Model twenty, what size frame is that?
Because people know, you know, K frame, in frame, bel frame?
Where's this for?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
This is an inframe?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, so it's a full size inframe.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yes, sir, so you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
A lot of people are gonna say, man, I would
buy that, but it's just too darn pretty to shoot.
And I look at it and go, I am taking
that to the range first day.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Man, Oh, it's a shooter. I mean, if you know anything.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
About Smith and Western revolvers.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That's what they're made to do.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You could treat this as a safe queen, it's that
good looking.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But I would shoot it all day long.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, you know what, you and I are shooters, man.
It's like, okay, yeah, People say, are you a gun collector?
Says actually no, I got a lot of guns, but
I am not a collector. Everything I have it has
been shot and will continue to be shot.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
That's a fact. There is nothing in my safe that's unfired.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There you go, all right, So give it the background
on this, because this is not the first one in
this series.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Originally we started with this platform.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We did a tribute to the Texas Rangers, and that
was last year, I think it was their two hundredth anniversary.
So we did a four inch model and it had
some really nice gold inlaid grave engraving, had the Texas
Rangers symbol on there. The backstrap said one Riot one Ranger,
(03:42):
and we just really made it very very special. And
we only did two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Of those and they were gone.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They were gone, So we knew the demand was there.
So we came out with another four inch model twenty
without the engraving, okay, and that's really the only difference,
and that was a limited run. Those sold out, and
that was another four inch. So this time we decided
(04:11):
to come out with a six inch barrel and this
has just been announced. We just got them in and
this one is limited as well to five hundred years.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh okay, so you know what the dealers this is
going to sell out too.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I wouldn't doubt it one bit.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, I'm looking at MSRP on this is fifteen forty
nine up to dealers to how they were selling. Because
people don't buy directly from you, but they kind of can,
right yeah there.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Our consumer website is Gallery Offsguns dot com, right, and
basically the way that works is a consumer can order
from our inventory, but it goes through their local dealer.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Makes sense because you can't sell to an individual anyway
cross state lines, so you got to send it to
the dealer. Now, how does that work on the pricing?
Do they work the deal out on the pricing with
the dealer or do they just buy it straight from
you and pay you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, we put you go to a Gallery of Guns
dot com website and basically you ask for a quote,
and we're going to show you all the dealers within
say twenty five mile radius. Those dealers set their own pricing.
Oh okay, So you just pick out the dealer you want,
(05:34):
and you know, give us a little bit of a deposit,
and we're going to ship it to that dealer, okay,
and then you finish up, you do the next check,
you do the paperwork, and you pay the dealer that balance. Now,
the cool thing is, unlike other online places, there's no
(05:54):
transfer fee because we consider it a sale to that dealer.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Huh. Okay, so the dealer is not charging a transfer fee.
They're basically selling you the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Gun, really, right, because the Gallery Guns really got started
for two reasons, one to help consumers find inventory, but
also to support our Davidson's FFL retailers. So we consider
it as a sale through that dealer.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You're just ordering from our inventory.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, and that's actually a pretty significant savings. Depending on
the dealer, they can charge anywhere from thirty to fifty
dollars for a transfer, so you're getting away from that.
That adds to your savings of the deal exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And the price you see quoted on the website, that
is the final price. That will not be one dollar
added to that when you go pick it up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, So, Kevin, you just announced this like a
couple of days ago as we're talking here on Sunday.
When's it going to be a I mean a lot
of times things are announced way ahead of time. When's
it going to be available? When can people go buy
one of these?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's available right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh okay, so people better move, get off their rear
ends and go yes, because this is not one of
those Well, I'll wait till Christmas in order. I'm not
sure that's a good plan.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
No, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I would get to get with your local dealer right
away and see if they can get one on order
for you, because they won't. They will not last long.
But one thing we are very careful about, we don't.
We don't announce things or start blowing a horn about things.
And did not have it available for two or three months.
(07:44):
So this one's in inventory right this minute.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Okay over at Gallery of Guns dot Com. All right,
let me ask you this question, because you know, you're
just kind of a gun guy the way I am
and I have. I think I'm seeing something, but you've
got a better finger on the pulse of a gun
buying public. I think I am seeing a somewhat slightly
maybe kind of renewed interest and increased interest in revolvers.
(08:07):
Where do you think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Oh, I've definitely seen that. And you know that's kind
of a cycle thing too.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You saw for years and years everybody wants a polymer frame,
non millimeter semi auto, right, but they might have started
on revolvers, and people are coming back to revolvers and
I've seen you know, newshooters embrace that wheel gun world,
(08:39):
if you will. But I just don't think it ever
goes out of style. And we kind of proved it
with these model twenties flying out as soon as we
got them in, so we know the interest is there.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
All right, you might appreciate this. I was thinking about
what is it about revolvers. I mean, I grew up
in revolvers, and you know, I've got lots of semis
just like you do and love those and shoot them,
but there's just something different. The feel is different, and
it occurs to me I now think of semi auto
pistols as digital and revolvers of analog.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'd think that's a great comparison, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Especially when you're doing double action. I mean you're activating
the function of the revolver. You're pulling the trigger and
you're turning the cylinder and the hammer's coming back and
you're making this thing work, and it's a different feel.
And then people don't realize once they get into they go, well,
these things are actually really accurate. They're shooters, and of
course all guys like me going duh, yes, of course
(09:42):
they are.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And and the way you describe it kind of makes
me think of a manual transmission.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh yes, automatic versus manual. I love it. That's been perfect,
exactly right. It's just something cool about it. And you know,
betpending on the model, particularly what the like the little
there's a real place for those as a co pocket gun,
as a hideaway gun. So revolvers have a real place
not just oh they're cool and interesting and old, but
(10:09):
they're actually very functional.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, I mean, you've got world champions out there that
shoot revolvers. If you don't think of revolvers accurate or fast,
I got one word for you, Jerry very bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I guarantee you if you you know, just show
somebody a video of Jerry shut the you know. The
other thing I'm just thinking about this is once you
get into it, you start to understand there's a whole
world of things to learn, and there are now classes.
You can go to gun site, you can take revolver classes,
you can go down to our place range Ready Studios
(10:43):
in Louisiana and take revolver classes, and people go, well,
what is there to learn? Just like everything else, once
you start in that world, you go wow, I had
no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, And it is a completely different experience and I
would recommend to anybody to get training because it's it's
a whole different experience. But that's that's what's really cool
about the firearms world is there's always something to learn,
there's always something different, and there's a place for everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, exactly right. So Davidson's if you want to look
at the website Davidson's Inc. Dot com. But really, the
galleryoguns dot Com is the place to go, isn't.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It, Yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Now, a lot of times if we have some really
high demand items, they will be allocated. So in the
case of an item like that, just get with your
local dealer and get them on the phone with their
account rep that Davidson's, and we'll get you set up.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Sounds good, Kevin Wilson. I appreciate your time. It's good
to get back in touch with you, man.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Good to hear from you. Tom. I appreciate you having
me on.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Hey, cool cool revolver. I really like the look to this.
When people take a look at it, go to the website,
they're gonna look at that and go that is really
it's retro, but it's modern and it's slick, and you know,
Christmas is coming, folks, it's time. Thanks Kevin, Thank you, Tom.
All right, eighty sixty six talk gun. I'm Tom Gresham.
This is gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (14:29):
I did not know I was going to go here
at this moment today, but during the break, I just
saw a video online. You may have seen it. It's
a little short, thirteen second video clip. It's from Poland.
A shooting competition there, and it's going to lead me
to asking you a question. The video clip shows a
(14:51):
contestant has a shotgun. It looks like maybe a three
gun type competition, but you can't tell. The contestas stand
there and there's a free judge or or whatever, and
he's got another gun. Looks like he's trying to do
something to it, maybe get it unloaded something. And as
you're watching it, it's like you're going no, no, no, no, no,
no no no no. And this judge swings the muscle
(15:14):
over past the contestant and yes, shoots him at point
blank range with a shotgun. Mike. It brings up a
lot of questions. Have you had occasion to speak to
someone either somebody you're with hunting or somebody at the range,
(15:38):
about muscle awareness, about don't point that gun over here,
How did you go about it? What did you say
to the person? It also brings us to the point
of reminding everyone of being aware of your surroundings. Don't, frankly,
don't trust anybody. If somebody else is handling a gun
(15:59):
around you, to be aware of that, you need to
be watching them. If you're at a competition and you're
supposed to be the only one who's handling a gun
and you become aware of somebody handling a gun to
your side or behind you, and they're not supposed to stop, stop,
stop what you're doing, get a beat on them. Look
(16:20):
that is not your gun. But with your eyes, look
at them, find out what's going on. And don't be shy, bashful, reticent,
reluctant at all to say something you. I swear to God,
we sometimes put ourselves in mortal danger because we are
(16:42):
afraid of embarrassing ourselves. It happens in self defense situations
out in the street. Oh, I don't want to walk
to the other side of the street because those young
men over there may be offended and think that I profile.
Then I don't care. If I'm getting that weird teely
(17:05):
feeling in the back of my neck, I'm going to
take some action. I am crossing the street. I'm going
to go into a store. I'm going to go get
back in my car. I'm not going out of the
parking lot. I'm doing a one adye and go in
another direction. And if somehow I have offended somebody, they
say something about it, and that turns out I'm wrong,
I'll apologize, but I can't apologize if I've been mugged
(17:28):
and injured or killed. Same thing at the range or
when hunting. I lost a good hunting, a good friend
I wouldn't hunt with anymore. He was incapable of keeping
his muscle pointed in a safe direction. And I spoke
to him about it twice, and that's all you get
(17:50):
with me. You get two. That's it. The first time
is be careful that muscle, or watch where you're pouring
that muscle, or if I'm feeling a little bit sarcastic,
I'll say, you know, I really wouldn't mind if you
didn't point your gun at me again. The second time
is going to be We're done. I'm gone, We're not
(18:11):
doing this anymore because I'm not going to give you
another chance to point a gun at me. And we
never hunted again together. And I don't know if he
was offended or not. I don't care. I'm okay with that.
If he's offended because I was offended. You're pointing a
gun at me. You could hurt me, you could kill me.
(18:32):
So the question is, have you had an occasion to
have to speak to someone a friend or not public range,
private range hunting situation at a gun store and how
did you go about that? Give me a call eight
six ' six talk Gun. Let's go talk to Ron
(18:52):
and Reno on two. Hey, Ron, you're on gun Talk.
What is on your mind?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (18:57):
Hey, I was at a the other day and the
guy has for sale a five milimeter magnum And I'm
not a computer person, and I was learning what you
could tell me pluses and minuses of this gunnar and
what I should.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Look for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The five milimeter Reyminton magnum. Oh gosh, I guess that
came out like forty five years ago. Ballpark. It's a
rim fire cartridge. It's not reloadable. It is kind of
a part of a twenty two magnum, but it has
more power than a twenty two magnum. He uses a
heavier bullet that at seventeen hmr It's it's a cool
(19:40):
cartridge and it's a cool rifle. You. For a long
time you couldn't get any Ammo because Reminton stopped making
Ammo and nobody else made it, and obviously you couldn't
reload it. But now Aguila a g u I l
l A. People call it a Gila, But Aguila makes
Ammo for the five milimeter rimage and magnum, so you
(20:02):
can buy Ammo for it. The trick would be here
is why would you want to do that? What was
the price? Do you remember what he was asking for
the rifle?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
I think it was six fifty right around there.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, that's kind of what they're going for. And I just, well,
let me back up. I own a five milimeter Riminton
Magnum rifle and I picked up a brick of Ammo
rather five million Rammo for Magula. So I have one,
so I know it and I like it and it
works really well. But honestly, unless you're a weird guy
(20:39):
like me and like cool strange guns, I would have
a hard time figured out why anybody would buy one
these days. Because you're limited on AMMO, you're not going
to find it almost anywhere. I mean, you'd have to
be crazy to find five milimeters Ramo on the shelf anywhere.
But also, you can get a seventeen HMR rifle for
the same price and find AMMO every where. And I
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would argue that it's probably a better round for most things.
So it's cool, it's interesting, it's historical. But even though
I own one, I can't even justify me own anyone,
much less suggest to anybody else buy one. Now. Having
(21:22):
said that, if you think it's cool, and if you
remember it from when it came out, which I do.
We had one when I was a kid, And you go, well,
that would be a fun thing to have, and you
can get a good deal on it, which I did,
much less than that price. Yeah, go ahead. I firmly
(21:42):
recognize that I have a problem. I have a problem
buying these cool little guns, and this one makes no
sense at all, no sense whatsoever. But I like it.
I like the idea that I have a five millimeter
rim and to magnum And when I tell people out
thinking what what is that and it gives me as
(22:04):
heanced to talk about it. It's kind of like by
two eighty four Winchester and my three point thirty eight
ops six Goofy carcases for goofy people like me. I
guess what else is there? I'm out there shooting pictures
of the snow coming down here and the break. It
(22:24):
is no one like crazy around here. Man. I am
so glad. We got into camp and got a camp out.
We had a wall tent of other stuff we had
to bring out yesterday. We got in there, flew in,
loaded it all up, came out and while we were
in there, took that fifteen year old. Congratulations. Nick Les
did a good job in there, and he got his
mule deer. He did some hiking, went up the hill.
(22:46):
Good bit. So got to work a bit. That was fun,
good stuff, all right. Eight six X talk gun gets
you in your Joe called in out of New Jersey. Joe,
you're on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Tom?
Speaker 10 (23:00):
I don't have a chance to if you had a
chance to read the email Assentia earlier in the week.
But with Bruin, the Supreme Court affirm that the ability
of a person to carry a concealed weapon is an
individual constitutional right, and looking at the Bill of Rights,
I can't find any other right that I have to
pay a fee to the government for to exercise. Yet
in places like New Jersey and New York, they're making
(23:22):
it outrageously expensive to exercise that constitutional right. And my
question is is there any legal action that you're aware
of where they're challenging the fact that government is charging
you this outrageous fee.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, actually more than that. It's one as they're charging
outrageous fees someplaces. The other is they are taking a
long long a year or two years to process the applications,
which of course they'll you know, Martin Luther Keing quote,
a right delayed is a right denied. And so there
(23:56):
are suits that are actually tackling both of those in
various places. I go back to what you said originally. Look,
this is an individual right. It's guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
It's guaranteed by the US Constitution, not granted, but guaranteed
by that. And now, even though the Supreme Court has
said that requiring permits or carries are okay, I'm not
(24:22):
sure how that comports with the Second Amendment. And the Constitution.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
What do you think, Well, you know I'd be okay
if they say, okay, permit and it's free. You know
it's free because we're not going to charge you to
exercise a constant. You know, I don't have to pay
them a fee to go to church. I don't have
to pay them, you know, paying a fee to protect
my house from warrantless search and Caesar's. But you know,
why should I have to pay them a fee and
you want to permit. I won't argue that with you
(24:48):
right now, But damned if I want to pay a
fee to exercise a constitutional right, well right now, New
Jersey just bumped it hard. Costs three hundred dollars every
two years.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And if we're at the same time, remember at the
same time we had this movement going across the country.
More than half the states now have constitutional carry, where
you are not required to have a permitted at all
to carry a gun concealed for your own self protection
or for whatever reason you want. You can carry a
loaded gun concealed in more than half the states, no
permit required. That's a movement that's growing and growing, and
(25:24):
we'll see expand. Now here comes the next question. Let
me know this at you. Donald Trump has said that
he is going to sign national Reciprocity if Congress would
pass it. I don't know if they will. But then again,
I'm thinking, well, why don't we just go to Constitution
to carry and get rid of permits completely so you
don't have to say, mother, may I and ask the
(25:46):
permission of the government to exercise a constitutional right.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
And that would be great, But what the filibuster is
still in place down tom I don't see that that happening.
So that's kind of, you know, wishful from my perspective,
wish but I'm hoping that somebody challenges And by the way,
I think that discriminates against lower income people because I
don't think many lower income people, on top of the
(26:11):
cost of the gun, can afford to lay out three
hundred dollars every two years to acquire and renew a
concealed carrier for me. I mean, how discriminatory is that?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I would agree completely, and I believe that's one of
the bases that they're using for these lawsuits. But I'll
keep you posted. You know what you can do also
if you go to the Second Amendment Foundation's website saf
dot org. They have a list of all the lawsuits
they're involved with. I bet you can find one of
those and see what's going on with that. So check
that out. Saf dot org. Appreciate the call, Joe. Let
(26:43):
me grab Charlie out of Illinois. He's got Well, you
talk about from the fire into the or rather frying
pan into the fire. We just went from New Jersey
to Illinois. Sorry, Charlie, but that's what you got over there.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Tom? I am great.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm watching what's going on with the I guess more
than one of these so called a saw weapon bands
in Illinois and the court challenges to it. It's fascinating
to watch, but maybe it's more interesting if I'm out here.
But you're in the middle of it. Yes we are.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
I'm just curious about what your take on that is.
And what's this thirty day week.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Thing that the judge m M imposed.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, okay. Judge Stephen McGlenn, Federal District judge. He ruled
that Illinois's ban on semi automatic firearms and standard capacity
magazines is unconstitutional. He says done can't be enforced permanent injunction.
It's done, but he put a thirty day stay on.
In other words, we're going to put it on pause
for thirty days and then won't go into effect for
(27:47):
thirty days. Here's why he does it because he knows
the state is going to appeal and if he doesn't
put the stay on, the people are going to go, oh, well,
I can go buy him right now. And then like
five days later, the state goes and asks for a
stay on its own and they will get the stay.
The court will give them the stay. So the judge says, Okay,
(28:10):
here's what we're going to do. I know how this works.
I'm going to put this thirty days stay on it
to allow the state time to appeal, because that's where
we're going anyway. And rather than have the public get
whiplash and thinking oh I can buy it now, I
can't back and forth. So you and I both don't
like it. But that's how it works. Now. The decision
(28:30):
from Stephen McGlenn the judge, is a work of art.
If you could find a copy of it. It's long.
It's one hundred and sixty six pages long, but man,
he gets it and it's really really good. Now there's
another case going through Illinois on the again. This is
I think the Chicago man on so called assault weapons.
That one did not go well for us in the
(28:51):
Seventh Circuit. All of this, here's the thing, there's a
lot of things happening at once, and I think the
Supreme Court very well may take a similar case coming
out of Maryland. It's called the Snope case, and that's
a ban on semi automatic firearms. If they take that
and they rule against this band and they say you
(29:13):
cannot ban these guns, then I think the whole all
the Chicago laws go away, all the other assault weapon
bands go away, all of them go away on the
basis of this case. And we're really hoping that the
Supreme Court will take the Snope case. At the same
time we're working on the Illinois case, where I say
we that's the second foundation in Farm's policy, coalitions, the
(29:33):
NRA Gun Arms of America, we're all involved with this.
I don't know if that helps you. I mean, you're
in the middle of it, and it's a mess, and
you're still living under this ban. I guess what I
would say to you is that help is on the way.
It's either going to come in the form of striking
down the Illinois law, or it's going to come in
(29:55):
the form of the Supreme Court taking the Snope case
and striking it down and may and that the law
of the land across across the board. I appreciate the
calle Charlie, thank you very much. Eight sixty six Talk
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(30:15):
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video of a referee, judge, an official arrange officer shooting
a competitor at a match, accidentally, negliging, negligently, whatever you
want to call it. I've had to say that more
than once. I'm wondering if you did and how you
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
All right, we're back with you and you know what
we are. Open lines. Have you got a range report?
You want to share a gun you've been out shooting
an experience you had? Also, of course, I'm asking have
you ever had to gently or otherwise speak to someone
about unsafe gun handling? And how did you handle that?
I'd love to hear that story. Larry called in has
online three calling out at which taf falls Texas. Hey, Larry,
(33:26):
you're on Gun Talk. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 11 (33:29):
So I listened on podcasts aw long as a week behind.
But you were asking about our wish list for what
the incoming administration could do, and that got me to thinking.
And if I had, if I had the two leaders
of the House, the two houses, and the President and
elevator for thirty seconds, this is what I would ask
for from the legislation. I would like to take suppressors
(33:53):
off the NFA. I would like to have a national
outline of any kind of merchant categor glory code for firearms.
And I would like to see them do some fixed
knicks actions to sort of mandate what's reported in there
so that people don't fall through the cracks. If we
got to have that system, we might as well have
a system that works, you know. And you know, if
(34:15):
I and with the presidents here, you know, a lot
of people want to banish the ATF, I would turn
the ATF around. And you know, one of the first
things I would do is have an office there with
the hotline that would enforce the Firearms Owners Protection Act.
You know, that act that basically outlawed machine guns, also
was supposed to protect firearm firearm owners transporting their firearms
(34:40):
through nonperfinisity.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, and that's ignored by a number of the states.
A number of states ignore that and they will charge
you with transporting your gun through their state, even though
that is protected under federal law.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
Absolutely. And if there was a hotline or a branch
of the ATF that enforced that Act and would go
after those officials that are pushing that, I think we
could end that, you know. Uh. And and along those lines,
you know, we've we've seen a lot of news about
(35:14):
the ATF going after rogue gun dealers and stuff, and
it just struck me. There's there's there's a bunch of
articles out there about certain gun shops and they name them,
but I've never seen that those particular gun shops that
are the most heinous ones have ever been shut down.
And I think I think a group in the ATF
(35:36):
that literally their job was go after straw purchasers. If if,
if they get identified as as having been a straw
purchaser and they get a pled down or whatever, have
that office just scrutinize those people and chase after them.
And basically, if you're out to buying guns for bad people,
(35:56):
we need to make your life miserable forever.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But the flip side of that is we get ATF
to stop persecuting and prosecuting FFLs or gun stores are
trying to put them out of business. Right now, they
are I'm not making this up. They are under orders
to try to eliminate as many gun stores as they can,
to find as many paperwork issues, a little transposed numbers
(36:21):
or whatever, so they find these problems in the records
and they can pull the licenses of gun stores. And
that is the orders that these inspectors are given from
the ATF right now, that needs to stop immediately. We
don't know who are new ATF director is going to
be that's going to be interesting. Where a lot of
people are talking about Brandon Herrera, uh, the AK guy,
and a lot of people follow him on social media.
(36:45):
I don't know, but I like where you're going with this, Larry.
I just don't know what they're going to be able
to do. I think, look, I appreciate the call. I
think they're going to be able to do a lot.
I think once it gistration gets in, we're going to
see an incredible amount of effort and activity. And you
(37:08):
got a lot of the Democrats and the Liberals and
the media, but then again that's redundant. Say well, you
know they're just they're going to be doing so much,
and you know that's just going to upset the status quo. Duh.
That is what the election was about, to get rid
of the status quo, to get rid of a lot
(37:31):
of government workers. I saw it. I don't know if
this is true. They either saw or heard a number
that like eight to ten percent government workers in DC
actually work at the offices in DC. They actually work
from home, which means they don't really work of course.
And I like what Elon Musk did at Twitter. He
walked in and fired eighty percent of the people, and
(37:52):
productivity went up and they got more done. Eighty percent
of the people gone. Can you imagine the savings if
you could get rid of eighty percent of the government workers.
And here's the deal, people, So well, you know, but
we need government functions. Actually we don't need nearly as
many government functions as people have gotten used to. Remember,
what you have come to think of as normal is not.
(38:15):
You just have been normalized to it, you have become
accustomed to it. But the reality is we don't really
need very much government. It doesn't do much to it
or for us, but it does a lot to us.
So if we could get rid of oh seventy percent
(38:36):
of government of government workers have to go out and
actually try to make a real living somewhere, I think
we would all benefit from that, and I know we would,
and I think that is really part of the goal
of what's going to be happening. What are they going
to do for the Second Amendment? Actually a lot some
by executive order and some will have to go through Congress,
(38:56):
and some of them will just be cleaning out what's
going on at these agents. Well, as we say, let's
go to the phone Marks in Park City, Montana, with
a call, Hey, Mark, what's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (39:16):
Yeah, Tom, thanks for taking my call. I just put
together a rifle lengths gas system may or Tony in Barrow,
and I took it out and the wind was howling
about thirty five miles an hour, so it was kind
of a rough rough spot. But I had I put
about thirty yearrounds through it, and it acts like it's undergased.
(39:39):
It was like sometimes it would work, sometimes it would
extract the sail to pick up the next round. Sometimes
it was failed to extract. And I look at the
ones that were in. They did extract, and it wasn't
throwing them all that far compared to mostly ours. Seemed
to be over gas. But I just wondered your thoughts
on that. I wondered if I had been haven't wet enough.
(40:01):
I wonder if I need to put weight in the buffer?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Two boy, we call the wrong guy. I will tell
you right up front. Everybody knows I don't build a RS,
I don't work on guns. I don't even do repairs
on guns. I barely mount scopes on guns. Yeah, James's
barely clean them. That's true. Well, it's not an odd
number year, so I don't clean them until it's odd
(40:24):
number year. So I'm the wrong guy. You got to
ask somebody else on putting it together and putting all
those parts together, because I just not my thing. I
don't work on I don't change the oil and cars. I
am the least mechanical person I have ever known. However,
having said that, you should be able to fix this
first of all, ars run best when wet. I would
(40:46):
love it up like crazy and run it and see
if it breaks in, if it smooths out. If that
doesn't do it, then you're gonna have to find an
ar specialist or somebody that knows this stuff locally to
help you out with it. As for doing the initial
shooting in thirty mile an hour winds, you know the
drill there is you can't really care where the bullet's
going to hit, but they're blowing around the wind. Even
(41:07):
a one hundred yards, they're going to be blown out
in the wind. So there you go. I'm sorry I
cannot help you with that, but I just simply own
up to the fact that I am not the mechanical guy.
That's really simple as that. Real quick, I'm going to
get David here, Dave, I got forty five seconds for
you dive in on the ATF.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
Tom.
Speaker 12 (41:25):
You're pissing me off because you're too accepting and acquiescing
to the ATF and too soft and shall not be infringed.
Gun owners have rights to buy and sell to anybody
and from anybody that's not a felon, and even that
is dicey. But you shall not be infringed is the
(41:45):
crux of the amendment, and that is what it means,
and you need to be more militant about it.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
What should you wait? Wait? Be specific? What should I say?
Tell me what you want me to say?
Speaker 12 (41:57):
Rights and getting them back as a result of sun.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Dave, you got to stop talking long enough to hear me,
because as you're talking, you can't hear me. What do
you want me to say?
Speaker 12 (42:09):
I want you to say that the ATF should be disbanded,
that there's no excuse for the ATF. It's an unconstitutional
agency on its face, but there's no excuse for gun
owners who are for gun stores to be audited and
harassed or anything else. You can buy guns from private
parties or gun stores or anyone you want. As an
American citizens, it's your birthright.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You must not have heard me before when I say
I don't think there should be such a thing as
a gun store or an FFL. I like the pre
nineteen sixty eight when I grew up, when there was
no such thing as FFLs or federal farms licenses or
having to get a background check. I personally have said
I think we should repeal every gun law in America.
(42:52):
I'll start with only half this year as a compromise,
and then we'll go after half each year. So if
you think that I am not or not militant enough,
you haven't listened to this program for law. I have
for thirty years advocated repealing every single gun control law
in the United States of America. So that's a good start,
(43:13):
and then we'll work our way from there. So before
you get all worked up and you think you know
where I am, rather than launching into it, you might
start with a question or two to find out if
you are grounded in your assumption. So we all know
what happens when you assume, all right, let me come back,
what can the new administration do. We're gonna be talking
(43:36):
to somebody who's got a pretty good idea on that
I'm Congression and this is gun talk.
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