November 24, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Following the Laken Riley trial, which emphasized her use of a phone and a tracking app her friends used, women are taking up technology for safety. The reality is that electronics offer very little safety and air only in catching the attacker and finding the victim's body. A firearm in the hands of woman who has training can stop the attack.
-- Gun control groups are leaving Elon Musk's social media platform X, or blocking replies, because they don't want to be challenged in a free-speech environment.
-- The latest Ruger revolver introduction by Lipseys suggest a growing realization that wheel guns are even better than ever for personal protection.
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-- Following the Laken Riley trial, which emphasized her use of a phone and a tracking app her friends used, women are taking up technology for safety. The reality is that electronics offer very little safety and air only in catching the attacker and finding the victim's body. A firearm in the hands of woman who has training can stop the attack.
-- Gun control groups are leaving Elon Musk's social media platform X, or blocking replies, because they don't want to be challenged in a free-speech environment.
-- The latest Ruger revolver introduction by Lipseys suggest a growing realization that wheel guns are even better than ever for personal protection.
Gun Talk 11.24.24 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well well, well, hello and welcome again to Gun Talk.
I'm Tom Gresham. Well that's what I do here. I'm
your host. We're gonna be talking about guns and shooting
in politics. Yeah, lots of politics going on the next
three plus hours. If you'd like to be part of this,
and I suggest that you do that because it suman does.
(00:32):
Make it fun, and give me a call. The number
is easy, Tom Talkgun, pretty easy. I'm Tom. We talk guns.
Just call Tom Talkgun. I did something a little bit
different today. Usually we kicked the show off with a guest,
and I decided not to do that today. We'll have
guests later on in the show. I wanted to clear
(00:52):
the first hour so you and I could talk, which
means that we're open lines. If you want to join us.
You've got a question or a comment, or you want
to take issue with something I've said, well that's fine too,
we'll have that discussion. If you have been here for
any length of time, you know the drill what we
don't do is we don't monologue. We don't shout each
(01:13):
other down. I generally don't cut anybody off unless you
just go crazy, but that rarely happens. It's very interesting
and almost we're just about to hit thirty years on
the air with the show. We just don't have a
problem with callers. Every once in a while, people or
somebody calls in and they don't quite understand the culture here,
(01:36):
and for some reason they think they have to lie
to the call screener to get on you. Don't you
just call and say, hey, I don't like what Tom
said there. I got a bone to pick with it.
That's fine. We'll put you right in here and we'll
have that conversation fair enough. And I don't care if
you don't like guns, or if you don't like revolvers
and you prefer semi auto's, we'll have that discussion as well.
(01:58):
And if you are one of those who wants to
debate what is the best rifle and cartridge and bullet
for deer hunting saddle up, we'll have that talk too,
because I have some strong feelings on that which are
pretty much the opposite of almost everything you're reading. On
the internet these days. There's so many things going on
(02:18):
right now. You got the Donald Trump cabinet appointments. Of course,
Matt Gates is out as Attorney General, Pam Bondi is
in as the appointment, and a lot of people in
the gun world are upset. We see was aged and Florida.
(02:40):
She backed red flag laws. She backed restrictions on young
adults being able to buy guns eighteen, nineteen and twenty
year olds. This was in the aftermath of the shooting
of Marjorie Stoneman shooting there. I get it that there
(03:01):
were politics involved. I get it that there was a
push there, but at the same time you begin to wonder, Okay,
do you really have any strong feelings on the Second Amendment?
Where are you on this? She did do some other
things that were good on gun rights, So I am
not reacting immediately to this, although there are a lot
of people online who are you know, all showing their angst.
(03:25):
They're very upset, they want to shut this down. I
kind of have the idea that we ought to just
take a deep breath on everything. And yes, it's clear
that with some of Trump's appointments, he's trolling again. That's
what he does. But on the Pam BONDI one, I
(03:45):
want to hear what she says during the hearings and
hearings on this. She'll get questions about this, you know that.
So we'll see, we'll see what happens with that. Let's
say we're gonna be talking today about or say, new guns.
We've got new guns from rug, we got new guns
from Kimber. We got some that'll be coming out in
a couple of weeks, which we'll be talking about in
(04:06):
a couple of weeks. Black Friday Deals. Are you on
the lists the email list for all these places sending
out these deals. There are crazy deals available right now
and I don't care if it's hunting clothing or ammo
or guns or optics. We did. We those in the
(04:26):
firearms industry, those who sell guns, make guns, sell guns,
they did run into a definite Trump slump. There weren't
a lot of huge sales and buying going on before
the election, but it really dropped off after the election.
People just said, eh, you know, it's gonna be fine now,
(04:48):
and it'll be better you will. It doesn't mean prices
aren't going to go up, but right now, during this
temporary period, prices have gone down. There are some crazy
easy good deals going on. Smith and Weston has some
crazy good rebate things going on. A lot of manufacturers do.
And if you have thought, I mean, I'd like to
(05:10):
get a XYZ whatever, I would encourage you to go
take a look at the promotions that are going on,
the deals that are out there, and absolutely get on
the mailing list of any number of manufacturers, Rugers, smith
sig Turists, all of them, because then you'll know about
(05:32):
the promotions. But also the retailers, the online retailers, they're
doing some amazing things. The RCBS promotion if you're thinking
about getting into or want to expand your handloading, some
really good rebates going on there as well. So anyway,
just Black Friday deals are crazy right now. So there's
a lot of things going on there. Let's do this.
(05:54):
We're going to go ahead and jump into the phones
right now. Terry called in out Fargo, North Dakota. Terry,
you're on gun Talk. What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, I just got a question and may be a
dumb question, but it was something I was thinking about
a couple of days ago. If you are concealed carry
or for home defense, does it make sense to have
perhaps a cheaper firearm which you are still well hursed
(06:25):
in versus an expensive one knowing that it may be
confiscated or who knows what.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know. I've heard that before. People say, well, you know,
if you get into a self devent shooting, they're going
to take your gun as evidence. And that's probably true.
And people say, well, you know, I'm going to carry
a cheap gun or a gun that i'm basically not
the gun I want to carry because they might take it.
So I guess let me ask you a question, Terry.
(06:53):
Here's a question. If you got to defend your life, well,
then forget everything else. Wouldn't you want the best gun
in your hand if you have to defend your life. Yes, Okay,
I mean you see where I'm going with you. This
falls into that heading that I've talked about before. We
(07:14):
always worry about the wrong things, not just in guns,
but in everything. So I guess what I would ask
you is, do we really care if they take our
gun and hold it for evidence and we eventually get
it back. If that means, gee, I'm going to have
(07:34):
the lesser gun. And look, not all inexpensive guns are lesser.
I get that. But if you say, I've got this
gun that I really like it, I really shoot it,
I feel comfortable with it carrying that, but I'm going
to carry this other one in the case, just in
case they confiscate it or hold it as evidence. I'm
(07:54):
just thinking that's a bad decision. So where are you
falling on this now after we've.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Talked, Well, no, I agree with you. It's just something
I thought about and maybe I think too much, but that's.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Never been my problem.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't. It makes sense and
it's like it is what it is, you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Know, and well exactly, you go, Okay, you know, I
actually know people who make sure that a friend keeps
one of their guns at the friend's house, the thinking
being that if they get into a self defense situation
and the police come and take all their guns away,
which has happened before. It depends on the state you're in,
they'll take all. He says, at least I can go
(08:40):
get my other gun and still have a self defense gun.
Is that paranoid?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't really know where the line falls between being
paranoid and being prepared, but that might be more toward
the prepared side than anything else.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah. Yeah, no, No, I have a brother that does
that too, who has this gun you know, someplace else. Yep,
and he has what he needs. So that but eat Minnesota, Minnesota.
I'm in North Kota.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You live in different places, different different cultures, different gun laws,
and different attitudes with law enforcement and the prosecutors. So hey,
I appreciate the call, sir. That's that's a really good question.
So I just saw an article in The Guardian that's
the British trash papers sort of trash media, and let
me see I can find it because I got to
read some of the silly stuff they've gotten here. Because
(09:36):
this is the post Trump craziness that's going on, the
post election craziness. Uh, let me fine, I want to
are there. It is women and LBG t Q plus
people take up guns after Trump's win quote we need
to protect ourselves, national gun clubs field and influx of
(09:57):
newcomers interested in learning how to shoot firearms for self defense.
And of course, being the Guardian, they start off with
the misogyny an anti trans rhetoric that were hallmarks of
the twenty twenty four election campaign have seemingly ramped up
since Donald Trump's whin blah blah blah, prompting some women,
queer and trans people to respond by buying guns and
(10:18):
learning how to defend themselves from potential attackers. Now here's
the irony of this whole thing. You got to understand. Yes,
that's probably true to south extent, but of course they've
been alied to again. Understand that in the gun community
for the last twenty thirty years now, maybe thirty years
(10:40):
since the Pink Pistols started. Pink Pistols is a national
group of gay lesbian WGTQ MUC whatever it doesn't matter
to me, I don't care. And they started buying guns,
they started getting training because they said, you know, people
are bashing gays and we want to have protection. And
you know what the reaction was in the firearm's community
(11:05):
to the gays gay community buying guns and wanting to
get training, the reaction was welcome, how can we help.
Come on out to the range, come take the classes.
We will help you with whatever you need. We will
send volunteer trainers to help you and your friends get training.
(11:26):
Because we think everybody should be responsible for his or
her own safety. Every person should be his or her
own first responder. We will help you. And then there's
the National Association of African American Gun Owners NAGA, and
we said, yes, that's great, wonderful, not a problem. You know,
when Chris Chang, who's on top Shots, came out as
(11:50):
a gay man, he said his friends told him and says, oh,
don't do that because those people are that gun in
the gun world. You know, they won't accept you, they'll
hate you. And Chris said, nobody hated me. All you
really wanted to know is cool man, what kind of
gun you got. It's like, really, for thirty years we
have been doing this. We welcome everyone. If you are
safe with your firearm, if you are serious about becoming
(12:12):
a safe and responsible gun owner and want to protect yourself,
we will help as this new group of people who
are buying guns and going to the range and getting
training will find you are welcome here. If you are
a safe, responsible gun owner, you're welcome. It is simple
as that. Our number here is eight sixty six. Talk
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Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey well, let's go straight to the phones. Paul called
in out of bat Rude, Louisiana. Hey Paul, you're on
gun Talk. Let's talk about range Ready one of my
favorite places.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Oh yeah, it's a great place to learn how to
be proficient with guns. I've been there a few times.
I met you there one time. I've taken the reloading class,
the Sfare Aruger, Richael, the Prinson Trace with the Sniff
(15:55):
and Western Pistol, and the Horus handguns.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
A gun. You're a gun school junkie, aren't you.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Well, I know that I have a lot of learning.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To do, and Chris is the guy to teach. He
teaches in a way that makes it fun.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
He makes it to where if you don't pay attention,
he wakes you're up.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's a nice way to put it. Hey, Paul, let
me hold on a second. Let me explain. We're talking
about range Ready Studios, the shooting range down in Louisiana.
It's about halfway between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. So
that's our place down there. It's gun Talks place and
we do occasional class's not a lot of classes. It's
just not like a gun Sight or Thunder Ranch or
(16:44):
Sick Academy. We do some occasional classes and they're very good.
And Chris Areno is the training director there, and so
that's what when you talk about Chris, he's talking about
Chris Arena. Paul. I don't know if you heard, but
I'm going down there. They're doing the Diagnostic Pistol Instructor
class in a couple of weeks, and I'm going to
take that class because I'm a student, constant student, so
I want to go train with Chris Well.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Whenever I get to that levels where I'm proficient with
the first and second pistol classes, I'll take that, but
right now I'm fighting cancer, so I'm missing this season.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm sure. Sorry. Let me ask that question a question
with all these classes, that they're like any one thing
that you've learned there, that you're like big takeaway?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, my hands shaped like crazy, and he Chris has
used me a couple of times to show that whenever
you're aiming, you don't have to be perfect. I mean,
I've had people walk up to me and ask their handshake.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
So much, how do you get hit the targets?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
And it's just listen to Chris, follow his.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Instructions, and I do a lot of dry firing every night.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'll take one of my pistols, of course, make sure
there's not no bullets anywhere around, and I'll dry fire
that pistol for maybe five or ten minutes and just practice,
practice practice. I have neuropathy in my hands in addition
(18:28):
to shaking, so I have to do it in the lextra.
But just keep going to the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Classes, you know, Paul, I'm just thinking, but with all
of that going on, you got neuropathy, you got tremors.
The gun is shaking, and yet you're still hitting the
target where you're supposed to hit the target. It goes
to back to that thing I keep talking to people about,
don't worry so much about the sites, think about the trigger.
Let the wobble happen, Let the shake happen. Just keep
(18:58):
pressing the trigger and don't try to make it perfect.
And if you can control the trigger, you can actually
shoot pretty well, can't you.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Oh yeah? In fact, one time with Crimson Trace, my
left hand shakes the bad. I can't even use it
to type anymore. And Chris walked past me, and then
he stopped the class and he said, watch.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Paul shot it just forgibbles, And I shot and did
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Everyone said, hey, under pressure, you still did it.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
H It's not you just can't be afraid of the gun.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I mean, it's gonna make a loud noise and it's
gonna have wind coil, but the basics hold on sight.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
And I've listened to Jary.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Mitcherick a lot about.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
How he does it where he doesn't switch his head
down and he brings the gun up to the eyesight.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So yeah, I understand, and Taul I appreciate. I got
to keep them moving because we're getting folks lined up here.
But you know, basically the takeaway is trigger control, don't
worry about the shake, and also be willing to go
get training no matter what. If you say, yeah, you
know I've got this problem, I got that problem. That's okay.
With a good instructor, you can take care of that. Paul,
Thank you so much. I appreciate the call. Yeah, range ready.
(20:24):
It's an interesting place. It's it's not really a shooting school.
It's a media content center. It's TV studios with everything
wrapped around them. If you will, we do all these
TV shows we produce, and we do tons of videos,
and we do podcasts, and if you follow us on
all the social media platform, just look for gun Talk
(20:45):
and you can see what we're up to. And yet
we do these really interesting, very good classes. And I
can say they're good because I've been to a lot
of shooting schools. When people say, well, I went to
a school or a training class and it was great,
and I go, right, how many others have you been to? Well,
that was the first time I've been to. Okay, you
had a good experience, but you don't really know if
(21:05):
it's great because you don't have anything to compare it to. Well,
Harley cow Bet a gun Sight Thunder Ranch Firearms Academy
of Seattle, she Right Academy with Tyre McKee SIG Training
Center up in New Hampshire. It's the tag Pro in Texas.
(21:26):
It goes on and on. So when I tell you
that the training that takes place that rains ready is good,
I really do mean that. Well, honestly, I wouldn't be
going down to take this class with Chris if I
didn't think it was really good. I didn't think I
was going to get something out of it. So I'm
looking forward to that. And yes, I am completely aware
(21:47):
that Chris is going to embarrass me in the class
because that's what he does. But he gets it's kind
of an a loving way. He gets your attention, and
like Paul, everybody embarrass you in front of the class,
say everybody watch this, Okay, my turn, But you learned
to shoot under pressure, and that's that's not a bad thing.
Range Reade Studios dot Com eight sixty six Talk Gun,
(22:09):
We're open lines, give me a call. I've been watching
the news and like everybody is, and there's a story
out there that actually it's not about guns at all,
but it could be, it should be, and should be
a takeaway for everyone. I'm talking specifically about the Lake
(22:33):
and Riley trial, the Lincoln Riley murder and the information
we got out of the trial. And yes, it was
horrible as people listen to her being murdered, and you
heard from her friends who used tracking apps to find
her phone which helped find her. And just on an
(22:59):
article about women now flocking to technology for self defense,
phones and tracking apps and all these other things, and
I realize how callous it sounds when I say things
like this. Those are not safety devices. Those are not
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personal protection devices to put a very hard, ruthless edge
on it. Those are systems to help you find a body.
Those are systems to help the police catch the attacker
(23:43):
after the attack's over. The new technology is interesting and
great and has a lot of uses, but the old
technology is effective, and what you really want when someone's
trying to kill you if something that is effective and
works really quickly, specifically a firearm. In most cases, when
(24:11):
a woman shows a gun, the attacker goes away, Which
doesn't mean you should get a gun just for showing it.
You should know how to use it. You should get
some training. You should be willing, willing to use the gun,
shoot the gun to save your life. Oh yeah, but
I jog, baby, give me a break. Get with the program.
(24:35):
Get educated. There are so many good ways for women
to carry guns, even under jogging clothing. A belly band
with a snubnose revolver, or a small semi automatic pistol.
A belly band is just an elastic strap that goes
around underneath your clothing, underneath your shirt. And okay, while
(24:58):
i'm at it, a quick tip technically technique here safety technique.
How do you draw a gun from a belly band
which puts the gun basically call it that your navel
if you will safely? Well, probably not the way you think.
What we want to do is avoid pointing the gun
at our body parts, like our arm. If you draw
(25:20):
it with your right hand, if you've got your left
arm out there in front of the muzzle, you're sweeping
the muzzle. You're pointing the muzzle past your arm. Think
about this. This is how you draw. If you're right handed.
You reach down with your left hand and you grab
your shirt, to the bottom of your shirt and you
rip it up and pull it up until it your
hand reaches your chin. Thereby, you are doing two things
(25:43):
at the same time. You are clearing the garment out
of the way so that you can get your right
hand on the pistol and draw it out. Now the
shirt's out of the way. Nothing's good to get hung
up on it. But at the same time, what have
you done with your left hand and arm. You've got
it out of the way, the gun's no longer pointing
it at your elbow, your forearm, your hand. Pull that
(26:05):
shirt up until it touches your chin, thereby making sure
that it has cleared completely out of the way. Reach down,
grab that pistol, yank it out, and then you can
let go of your shirt with your left hand and
marry your two hands up as you come out, and
you've got a two handed grip in your gun ge.
Wouldn't it be good to practice that ahead of time?
Wouldn't it be good to go get a class in that?
But if we're talking about safety for women who are
(26:31):
at greatly increased risk of being attacked for obvious reasons,
a telephone is not it. GPS trackers are not it. Now,
jogging with a friend that's not a bad idea. But
if you got to run, I like the phrase run
(26:51):
with a gun, run with a gun, because nobody's going
to be there to help you. Nobody's going to come
to help you. Attackers don't attack you in the middle
of a crowd. It's up to you to take care
of this. It's up to you to save your life,
not to have a tracker so they can find your body.
(27:12):
And yes, I get I'm not trying to say that
Lake and Riley did anything wrong. She did not. The
only person who did something wrong here was her murderer.
But then as you're thinking about this, as you're talking
to the members of your family about this, as you
hear your daughters talk about, well, I've got a tracking app,
(27:32):
I've got a phone. No no, no, no no, that's
a recovery system. That's not a protection system. And when
you think about it, you'll know I'm right. It just
makes sense. Buying a gun is not enough. Getting training,
learning how to use it, starting to become a student
(27:55):
of the gun. Make it a part of your life
to read about it, to watch the videos, to learn
about how it all works, or to learn about avoiding
situations and remember doing a one point eighty turn is
a really good move. That's a good maneuver. Whether you're
flying into a box canyon or you see something in
the head that doesn't look right, you just turn around
and go the other way. But yeah, but I want
(28:17):
to go by regular route. No, you're gonna turn around
and go the other way. Yeah, but I might embarrass
those people. I mean, they may think that I thought
they were bad people. I don't care, and neither should
you turn around and go the other way? Just just saying, okay,
food for thought. Hey, if you're on hold, I'm gonna
(28:37):
get to you. Don't go anywhere. I'm gonna take a
quick break here and we'll come back and we'll pick
you up. And if you are joining us by almost,
give me a call at Tom Talk.
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Speaker 2 (31:11):
Hey, before I go to the phones, I did work
clear up something. There seems to be some confusing confusion
about ars and aks. I can explain AR means the
firearm was made in Arkansas. AK means it was made
in Alaska. Okay, Glad I could clear that up. Line
one Steer's with us out of Camellia, Georgia. Hey, Stu,
you're on gun Talk. What's you got? Oh? Thank you?
Speaker 11 (31:33):
I wanted to go down a brief list of my
favorite guns that I've owned for the past forty some
odd years. I just want to open by saying, I'm
previously lived in the Athens, Georgia community and was a
college student broadcaster, and I'm very fond of that community.
And when I heard about this tragic loss of life,
(31:54):
I was definitely rooting for the prosecution in this case,
because when a nurse loses her life life, potentially thousands
of people that desperately need the care of a nurse
also are lacking. And I just wanted to say a
special dedication about that because I'm very fond of the
Athens community.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
All Right, pick three if you would, Three of your
favorite guns.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Okay, Well, I got well my first gun in nineteen
seventy eight and I was twenty one and I had
to have a gun. But of all the two hundred
someha guns that I have owned, it comes down to
a short list. My mag ninety AK forty seven bait
in China, brand new in nineteen ninety three. That gun
was two hundred and sixty nine dollars and you will
(32:42):
never see that price again. My favorite AR fifteen was
a double Star with a built in upper assist handle
because I like having sights on my gun. And my
favorite battle rifle is the f N forty nine and
eight millimeter that I bought for four hundred and fifty yeah,
(33:03):
back in two thousand and five, and I don't know
why I sold it because it's worth over twelve hundred
dollars now and my favorite handguns. It comes down to
my Styre GB pistol that used a H and KP
seven gas system by blog nineteen. My oh, I should
mention my age seventy Remington. But my favorite handgun that
(33:23):
I was most accurate with is no longer in production.
It was the SIG two fifty double action. Only looks
a lot like the current military issue, but I could
get anything with that gun.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know. It's funny because people liked the two fifty,
but it never was popular.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
That's right, that's right. I went and bought some of
the lower grips. I had different sizes, different magazine lengths,
but when it came time to get uppers in different calibers,
they were no longer making them. So I had good
all time millimere.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
There you go.
Speaker 11 (33:55):
But I missed that gun, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Look, I appreciate that, and I got to keep scooting here. Yeah,
the two fifty is one of those I say, people
liked it, but you know, it never sold. I guess
maybe not enough people liked it. Let's go to line
five deans with us in uh, let's say Grant Bay, California.
Hey Deans, what's.
Speaker 12 (34:12):
Up, Hey, Tom, Yeah, I've got a Savage two of
four Varmut the heavy barrel, and I'm looking at getting
a set of dies. I'm still kind of new to reloading,
but I'm looking at the reading two or four Ruger
Bushing Dicet competition and try to understand next sizing and
full sizing. Yeah, and you know, is it worth it
(34:36):
to get that?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And maybe the Redding competition dies with the Bushings. There
is an argument to be made that they really do
make better AMMO. They do. Whether it's enough better to
matter is a whole different question. If you're new into reloading,
(34:57):
maybe maybe not. I guess here's the question for you.
What kind of groups are you shooting now with your
two of four?
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Well, I haven't shot it yet, but I have. It's
twin and two twenty three, and I'm shooting like, you know,
quarter sized groups at one hundred yards. And I got
the two of four for ground squirrels and I want
a little bit more reach and so I'm getting mob
sized groups.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, what you're looking at is going to the competition dies.
You're going to be able to do. You're not necessarily
going to make more accurate AMO, but you would be
able to if you put it all together and you
had the right bushings. I'm trying to think, you know what,
if you can read some of John Barsness's work online
(35:43):
br in sc ss bars nests John bars.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
Can you can you br br in.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Our nests in the SS I look up John bars Nests.
He's written about the competes and the next sizing. Here's
my suggestion. Get you a set of dies without the
without the collets, okay, without the bushings, and get a
(36:17):
set of dies that comes to the full length sizing
die and a next sizing die. So you get three
dies with your set. Start with that. My guess is
that's gonna work very well for you, and you're gonna
like what it does. You're gonna like the accuracy you
get if you get to the point where you say, well, gosh,
this thing shoots quarter each, but I would really like
for it to shoot third of it inche groups, you know,
(36:40):
or no, even smaller than that. Sorry I went the
wrong way with that, but I want it to be
even smaller. Well, then then you start working your way
through these things. But to take advantage of that, you
really have to hone your skills as a reloader, and
that's a different scale from shooting, and I don't if
you're new to that, you're not ready for that. I'm
(37:01):
not sure you could take advantage of it. I think
there'll be maybe spending money that you can't really get
out of it. I would get a set of diized
readings are excellent, rcbs are good. That comes with the
full length sizing and the next sizing dies.
Speaker 12 (37:14):
Okay, okay, and then the full length would be for
the first time I fire it, and I'm going to
keep it for the same rifle, and then after that
I next size it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Generally, yes, yeah, exactly. You may find that the full
an sizing dye works fine, but also you'll have that
for it when you get other rifles or as you say,
you may somebody may give you some brass that they
have fired at a two o four and you definitely
want to use the full in sizing dye for those
(37:44):
until you get the fireman when your rifle, and you're right,
you've got to figure it out. Once you fired that
case in your rifle, you can go to next sizing
on that, so that'll work for you. Check it out
Reading Reloading Online or RCBS dot com real good stuff. Yeah.
By the way, our CBS is having some really good
rebates going on right now, so you might take a
(38:05):
look at that as well. I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
the Trace you know that phony journalist group that was
formed by Michael Bloomberg's gun control folks. Now they say, well,
we're not going to post on X anymore. We don't
like this free exchange of ammunition our information where people
(38:26):
can challenge your ideas. And then Giffert's the gun control group,
just posted something on there, but they limit their responses
so people cannot respond to their bogus, crazy posts, once
again saying we don't want other ideas. We don't want
anybody to be able to challenge us when we call
for gun control. So they're really not free speech anymore
(38:48):
than they are Second Amendment advocates. Yeah, just figures we'll
be right back. Well, it's that time of year, well
in the time of year when we wear heavy coats,
and I kind of like it because there's a different
(39:09):
way of carrying that I do. So the last a
couple of weeks when I go out and about, I
do have my nine elevator on my belt, but I've
also been sticking to thirty eight in my coat pocket,
and I do it on the left side. I'm a
right handed shooter, but I keep the other gun on
my left side. The thinking there is, you are to
(39:30):
do all these quat if things. What if I get
into a situation and somebody's grabbed my right hand, I
can put my hand in my coat pocket and I
could actually find a revolver from the inside of the
coat pocket. You need to practice this, and don't do
it with a coat you like, because you're going to
blow a big old hole in the pocket when you
do this at the range, get close to the target,
(39:52):
hand on your gun, shove it forward away from you,
and keep your other hand well out of the Okay,
and when you shoot, it's going to burn a big
ol' hole in your coat pocket. But you're going to
find that that distances of three four feet, you ge
get a target, just fine, but shove that thing forward
(40:13):
so that the coat pocket and the coat stretches out
in front of you. Okay. Just probably best to do
that with an instructor. Speaking of revolvers, Ruger just has
a of Lipsy's and Ruger just came out with a
new Revolver, the LCR, the el CR, the light Compact Ruger.
(40:34):
It is in thirty two h and R and it's
an alloy frame. Why thirty two h and R. Well
you can get six rounds then yes, And they do
have a three twenty seven, but the problem is with
a three twenty seven you have to go to a
steel frame to handle the pressures. With a thirty two
hn R you can go to an alloy frame and
(40:54):
save several ounces. It's really good looking two tone. You
can take a look on the Lipsy's website or Ruger
website for that. Also this week a new announcement. Kimber
has a double Stack nineteen eleven, a true double Stack
nineteen eleven and forty five in and nine. They're big. Look,
double Stack nineteen elevens are big. It just are is
(41:16):
a carry gun maybe for some folks, but it is
a great range gun. Oh absolutely is the fun gun
to shoot. Yeah. I love double Stack nineteen elevens. Love
the way they shoot. Well, they got the nineteen eleven
trigger as it's typical. This is, you know, in the
over two thousand dollars range. That's just kind of where
they seem to fall. Whether it's staccato or other. Double
(41:39):
stacks there are something that a little bit less expensive.
So would you carry double stack nineteen eleven? They're kind
of a fat grip. And now we have double stacks
smaller guns, not quite micro but they were. We've got
the mid size, if you will, nine milimeters double stack pistol,
(42:00):
a lot of them. They're smaller, they're lighter for Carrie. Now,
they don't have the nineteen eleven trigger, and they don't
have a five inch sight radius that you get. But
then again, how much does sight radius mean these days?
When you can put a dot sight on your gun?
(42:20):
Now you're not worried about front sight, rear sight, lining
things up. You just put the dot on the target.
It just doesn't matter. Are you. I am not quite there?
I just I have to admit I'm not quite there.
I'm working my way to it. I do have pistols
with dots on them. I'm not carrying a gun with
(42:41):
a dot on it yet. I need more time with
the range, I need more time on task with dot sights,
red dots or green dots. I think I will get there,
but remember I got to overcome an awful lot of
years of iron sight shooting and by prejudice, which means
old guy prejudice of using iron sights. But I get it.
(43:06):
I understand all the benefits of the dot sites. I
probably will be getting there. I'm taking a bag of
guns to range ready for the class. I'm not sure
which one or ones I'll be using for that, but
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well well, well, hello and welcome again to Gun Talk.
I'm Tom Gresham. Well that's what I do here. I'm
your host. We're gonna be talking about guns and shooting
in politics. Yeah, lots of politics going on the next
three plus hours. If you'd like to be part of this,
and I suggest that you do that because it suman does.
(00:32):
Make it fun, and give me a call. The number
is easy, Tom Talkgun, pretty easy. I'm Tom. We talk guns.
Just call Tom Talkgun. I did something a little bit
different today. Usually we kicked the show off with a guest,
and I decided not to do that today. We'll have
guests later on in the show. I wanted to clear
(00:52):
the first hour so you and I could talk, which
means that we're open lines. If you want to join us.
You've got a question or a comment, or you want
to take issue with something I've said, well that's fine too,
we'll have that discussion. If you have been here for
any length of time, you know the drill what we
don't do is we don't monologue. We don't shout each
(01:13):
other down. I generally don't cut anybody off unless you
just go crazy, but that rarely happens. It's very interesting
and almost we're just about to hit thirty years on
the air with the show. We just don't have a
problem with callers. Every once in a while, people or
somebody calls in and they don't quite understand the culture here,
(01:36):
and for some reason they think they have to lie
to the call screener to get on you. Don't you
just call and say, hey, I don't like what Tom
said there. I got a bone to pick with it.
That's fine. We'll put you right in here and we'll
have that conversation fair enough. And I don't care if
you don't like guns, or if you don't like revolvers
and you prefer semi auto's, we'll have that discussion as well.
(01:58):
And if you are one of those who wants to
debate what is the best rifle and cartridge and bullet
for deer hunting saddle up, we'll have that talk too,
because I have some strong feelings on that which are
pretty much the opposite of almost everything you're reading. On
the internet these days. There's so many things going on
(02:18):
right now. You got the Donald Trump cabinet appointments. Of course,
Matt Gates is out as Attorney General, Pam Bondi is
in as the appointment, and a lot of people in
the gun world are upset. We see was aged and Florida.
(02:40):
She backed red flag laws. She backed restrictions on young
adults being able to buy guns eighteen, nineteen and twenty
year olds. This was in the aftermath of the shooting
of Marjorie Stoneman shooting there. I get it that there
(03:01):
were politics involved. I get it that there was a
push there, but at the same time you begin to wonder, Okay,
do you really have any strong feelings on the Second Amendment?
Where are you on this? She did do some other
things that were good on gun rights, So I am
not reacting immediately to this, although there are a lot
of people online who are you know, all showing their angst.
(03:25):
They're very upset, they want to shut this down. I
kind of have the idea that we ought to just
take a deep breath on everything. And yes, it's clear
that with some of Trump's appointments, he's trolling again. That's
what he does. But on the Pam BONDI one, I
(03:45):
want to hear what she says during the hearings and
hearings on this. She'll get questions about this, you know that.
So we'll see, we'll see what happens with that. Let's
say we're gonna be talking today about or say, new guns.
We've got new guns from rug, we got new guns
from Kimber. We got some that'll be coming out in
a couple of weeks, which we'll be talking about in
(04:06):
a couple of weeks. Black Friday Deals. Are you on
the lists the email list for all these places sending
out these deals. There are crazy deals available right now
and I don't care if it's hunting clothing or ammo
or guns or optics. We did. We those in the
(04:26):
firearms industry, those who sell guns, make guns, sell guns,
they did run into a definite Trump slump. There weren't
a lot of huge sales and buying going on before
the election, but it really dropped off after the election.
People just said, eh, you know, it's gonna be fine now,
(04:48):
and it'll be better you will. It doesn't mean prices
aren't going to go up, but right now, during this
temporary period, prices have gone down. There are some crazy
easy good deals going on. Smith and Weston has some
crazy good rebate things going on. A lot of manufacturers do.
And if you have thought, I mean, I'd like to
(05:10):
get a XYZ whatever, I would encourage you to go
take a look at the promotions that are going on,
the deals that are out there, and absolutely get on
the mailing list of any number of manufacturers, Rugers, smith
sig Turists, all of them, because then you'll know about
(05:32):
the promotions. But also the retailers, the online retailers, they're
doing some amazing things. The RCBS promotion if you're thinking
about getting into or want to expand your handloading, some
really good rebates going on there as well. So anyway,
just Black Friday deals are crazy right now. So there's
a lot of things going on there. Let's do this.
(05:54):
We're going to go ahead and jump into the phones
right now. Terry called in out Fargo, North Dakota. Terry,
you're on gun Talk. What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, I just got a question and may be a
dumb question, but it was something I was thinking about
a couple of days ago. If you are concealed carry
or for home defense, does it make sense to have
perhaps a cheaper firearm which you are still well hursed
(06:25):
in versus an expensive one knowing that it may be
confiscated or who knows what.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know. I've heard that before. People say, well, you know,
if you get into a self devent shooting, they're going
to take your gun as evidence. And that's probably true.
And people say, well, you know, I'm going to carry
a cheap gun or a gun that i'm basically not
the gun I want to carry because they might take it.
So I guess let me ask you a question, Terry.
(06:53):
Here's a question. If you got to defend your life, well,
then forget everything else. Wouldn't you want the best gun
in your hand if you have to defend your life. Yes, Okay,
I mean you see where I'm going with you. This
falls into that heading that I've talked about before. We
(07:14):
always worry about the wrong things, not just in guns,
but in everything. So I guess what I would ask
you is, do we really care if they take our
gun and hold it for evidence and we eventually get
it back. If that means, gee, I'm going to have
(07:34):
the lesser gun. And look, not all inexpensive guns are lesser.
I get that. But if you say, I've got this
gun that I really like it, I really shoot it,
I feel comfortable with it carrying that, but I'm going
to carry this other one in the case, just in
case they confiscate it or hold it as evidence. I'm
(07:54):
just thinking that's a bad decision. So where are you
falling on this now after we've.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Talked, Well, no, I agree with you. It's just something
I thought about and maybe I think too much, but that's.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Never been my problem.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't. It makes sense and
it's like it is what it is, you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Know, and well exactly, you go, Okay, you know, I
actually know people who make sure that a friend keeps
one of their guns at the friend's house, the thinking
being that if they get into a self defense situation
and the police come and take all their guns away,
which has happened before. It depends on the state you're in,
they'll take all. He says, at least I can go
(08:40):
get my other gun and still have a self defense gun.
Is that paranoid?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't really know where the line falls between being
paranoid and being prepared, but that might be more toward
the prepared side than anything else.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah. Yeah, no, No, I have a brother that does
that too, who has this gun you know, someplace else. Yep,
and he has what he needs. So that but eat Minnesota, Minnesota.
I'm in North Kota.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You live in different places, different different cultures, different gun laws,
and different attitudes with law enforcement and the prosecutors. So hey,
I appreciate the call, sir. That's that's a really good question.
So I just saw an article in The Guardian that's
the British trash papers sort of trash media, and let
me see I can find it because I got to
read some of the silly stuff they've gotten here. Because
(09:36):
this is the post Trump craziness that's going on, the
post election craziness. Uh, let me fine, I want to
are there. It is women and LBG t Q plus
people take up guns after Trump's win quote we need
to protect ourselves, national gun clubs field and influx of
(09:57):
newcomers interested in learning how to shoot firearms for self defense.
And of course, being the Guardian, they start off with
the misogyny an anti trans rhetoric that were hallmarks of
the twenty twenty four election campaign have seemingly ramped up
since Donald Trump's whin blah blah blah, prompting some women,
queer and trans people to respond by buying guns and
(10:18):
learning how to defend themselves from potential attackers. Now here's
the irony of this whole thing. You got to understand. Yes,
that's probably true to south extent, but of course they've
been alied to again. Understand that in the gun community
for the last twenty thirty years now, maybe thirty years
(10:40):
since the Pink Pistols started. Pink Pistols is a national
group of gay lesbian WGTQ MUC whatever it doesn't matter
to me, I don't care. And they started buying guns,
they started getting training because they said, you know, people
are bashing gays and we want to have protection. And
you know what the reaction was in the firearm's community
(11:05):
to the gays gay community buying guns and wanting to
get training, the reaction was welcome, how can we help.
Come on out to the range, come take the classes.
We will help you with whatever you need. We will
send volunteer trainers to help you and your friends get training.
(11:26):
Because we think everybody should be responsible for his or
her own safety. Every person should be his or her
own first responder. We will help you. And then there's
the National Association of African American Gun Owners NAGA, and
we said, yes, that's great, wonderful, not a problem. You know,
when Chris Chang, who's on top Shots, came out as
(11:50):
a gay man, he said his friends told him and says, oh,
don't do that because those people are that gun in
the gun world. You know, they won't accept you, they'll
hate you. And Chris said, nobody hated me. All you
really wanted to know is cool man, what kind of
gun you got. It's like, really, for thirty years we
have been doing this. We welcome everyone. If you are
safe with your firearm, if you are serious about becoming
(12:12):
a safe and responsible gun owner and want to protect yourself,
we will help as this new group of people who
are buying guns and going to the range and getting
training will find you are welcome here. If you are
a safe, responsible gun owner, you're welcome. It is simple
as that. Our number here is eight sixty six. Talk
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Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey well, let's go straight to the phones. Paul called
in out of bat Rude, Louisiana. Hey Paul, you're on
gun Talk. Let's talk about range Ready one of my
favorite places.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Oh yeah, it's a great place to learn how to
be proficient with guns. I've been there a few times.
I met you there one time. I've taken the reloading class,
the Sfare Aruger, Richael, the Prinson Trace with the Sniff
(15:55):
and Western Pistol, and the Horus handguns.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
A gun. You're a gun school junkie, aren't you.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Well, I know that I have a lot of learning.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To do, and Chris is the guy to teach. He
teaches in a way that makes it fun.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
He makes it to where if you don't pay attention,
he wakes you're up.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's a nice way to put it. Hey, Paul, let
me hold on a second. Let me explain. We're talking
about range Ready Studios, the shooting range down in Louisiana.
It's about halfway between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. So
that's our place down there. It's gun Talks place and
we do occasional class's not a lot of classes. It's
just not like a gun Sight or Thunder Ranch or
(16:44):
Sick Academy. We do some occasional classes and they're very good.
And Chris Areno is the training director there, and so
that's what when you talk about Chris, he's talking about
Chris Arena. Paul. I don't know if you heard, but
I'm going down there. They're doing the Diagnostic Pistol Instructor
class in a couple of weeks, and I'm going to
take that class because I'm a student, constant student, so
I want to go train with Chris Well.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Whenever I get to that levels where I'm proficient with
the first and second pistol classes, I'll take that, but
right now I'm fighting cancer, so I'm missing this season.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm sure. Sorry. Let me ask that question a question
with all these classes, that they're like any one thing
that you've learned there, that you're like big takeaway?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, my hands shaped like crazy, and he Chris has
used me a couple of times to show that whenever
you're aiming, you don't have to be perfect. I mean,
I've had people walk up to me and ask their handshake.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
So much, how do you get hit the targets?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
And it's just listen to Chris, follow his.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Instructions, and I do a lot of dry firing every night.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'll take one of my pistols, of course, make sure
there's not no bullets anywhere around, and I'll dry fire
that pistol for maybe five or ten minutes and just practice,
practice practice. I have neuropathy in my hands in addition
(18:28):
to shaking, so I have to do it in the lextra.
But just keep going to the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Classes, you know, Paul, I'm just thinking, but with all
of that going on, you got neuropathy, you got tremors.
The gun is shaking, and yet you're still hitting the
target where you're supposed to hit the target. It goes
to back to that thing I keep talking to people about,
don't worry so much about the sites, think about the trigger.
Let the wobble happen, Let the shake happen. Just keep
(18:58):
pressing the trigger and don't try to make it perfect.
And if you can control the trigger, you can actually
shoot pretty well, can't you.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Oh yeah? In fact, one time with Crimson Trace, my
left hand shakes the bad. I can't even use it
to type anymore. And Chris walked past me, and then
he stopped the class and he said, watch.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Paul shot it just forgibbles, And I shot and did
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Everyone said, hey, under pressure, you still did it.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
H It's not you just can't be afraid of the gun.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I mean, it's gonna make a loud noise and it's
gonna have wind coil, but the basics hold on sight.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
And I've listened to Jary.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Mitcherick a lot about.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
How he does it where he doesn't switch his head
down and he brings the gun up to the eyesight.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So yeah, I understand, and Taul I appreciate. I got
to keep them moving because we're getting folks lined up here.
But you know, basically the takeaway is trigger control, don't
worry about the shake, and also be willing to go
get training no matter what. If you say, yeah, you
know I've got this problem, I got that problem. That's okay.
With a good instructor, you can take care of that. Paul,
Thank you so much. I appreciate the call. Yeah, range ready.
(20:24):
It's an interesting place. It's it's not really a shooting school.
It's a media content center. It's TV studios with everything
wrapped around them. If you will, we do all these
TV shows we produce, and we do tons of videos,
and we do podcasts, and if you follow us on
all the social media platform, just look for gun Talk
(20:45):
and you can see what we're up to. And yet
we do these really interesting, very good classes. And I
can say they're good because I've been to a lot
of shooting schools. When people say, well, I went to
a school or a training class and it was great,
and I go, right, how many others have you been to? Well,
that was the first time I've been to. Okay, you
had a good experience, but you don't really know if
(21:05):
it's great because you don't have anything to compare it to. Well,
Harley cow Bet a gun Sight Thunder Ranch Firearms Academy
of Seattle, she Right Academy with Tyre McKee SIG Training
Center up in New Hampshire. It's the tag Pro in Texas.
(21:26):
It goes on and on. So when I tell you
that the training that takes place that rains ready is good,
I really do mean that. Well, honestly, I wouldn't be
going down to take this class with Chris if I
didn't think it was really good. I didn't think I
was going to get something out of it. So I'm
looking forward to that. And yes, I am completely aware
(21:47):
that Chris is going to embarrass me in the class
because that's what he does. But he gets it's kind
of an a loving way. He gets your attention, and
like Paul, everybody embarrass you in front of the class,
say everybody watch this, Okay, my turn, But you learned
to shoot under pressure, and that's that's not a bad thing.
Range Reade Studios dot Com eight sixty six Talk Gun,
(22:09):
We're open lines, give me a call. I've been watching
the news and like everybody is, and there's a story
out there that actually it's not about guns at all,
but it could be, it should be, and should be
a takeaway for everyone. I'm talking specifically about the Lake
(22:33):
and Riley trial, the Lincoln Riley murder and the information
we got out of the trial. And yes, it was
horrible as people listen to her being murdered, and you
heard from her friends who used tracking apps to find
her phone which helped find her. And just on an
(22:59):
article about women now flocking to technology for self defense,
phones and tracking apps and all these other things, and
I realize how callous it sounds when I say things
like this. Those are not safety devices. Those are not
(23:22):
personal protection devices to put a very hard, ruthless edge
on it. Those are systems to help you find a body.
Those are systems to help the police catch the attacker
(23:43):
after the attack's over. The new technology is interesting and
great and has a lot of uses, but the old
technology is effective, and what you really want when someone's
trying to kill you if something that is effective and
works really quickly, specifically a firearm. In most cases, when
(24:11):
a woman shows a gun, the attacker goes away, Which
doesn't mean you should get a gun just for showing it.
You should know how to use it. You should get
some training. You should be willing, willing to use the gun,
shoot the gun to save your life. Oh yeah, but
I jog, baby, give me a break. Get with the program.
(24:35):
Get educated. There are so many good ways for women
to carry guns, even under jogging clothing. A belly band
with a snubnose revolver, or a small semi automatic pistol.
A belly band is just an elastic strap that goes
around underneath your clothing, underneath your shirt. And okay, while
(24:58):
i'm at it, a quick tip technically technique here safety technique.
How do you draw a gun from a belly band
which puts the gun basically call it that your navel
if you will safely? Well, probably not the way you think.
What we want to do is avoid pointing the gun
at our body parts, like our arm. If you draw
(25:20):
it with your right hand, if you've got your left
arm out there in front of the muzzle, you're sweeping
the muzzle. You're pointing the muzzle past your arm. Think
about this. This is how you draw. If you're right handed.
You reach down with your left hand and you grab
your shirt, to the bottom of your shirt and you
rip it up and pull it up until it your
hand reaches your chin. Thereby, you are doing two things
(25:43):
at the same time. You are clearing the garment out
of the way so that you can get your right
hand on the pistol and draw it out. Now the
shirt's out of the way. Nothing's good to get hung
up on it. But at the same time, what have
you done with your left hand and arm. You've got
it out of the way, the gun's no longer pointing
it at your elbow, your forearm, your hand. Pull that
(26:05):
shirt up until it touches your chin, thereby making sure
that it has cleared completely out of the way. Reach down,
grab that pistol, yank it out, and then you can
let go of your shirt with your left hand and
marry your two hands up as you come out, and
you've got a two handed grip in your gun ge.
Wouldn't it be good to practice that ahead of time?
Wouldn't it be good to go get a class in that?
But if we're talking about safety for women who are
(26:31):
at greatly increased risk of being attacked for obvious reasons,
a telephone is not it. GPS trackers are not it. Now,
jogging with a friend that's not a bad idea. But
if you got to run, I like the phrase run
(26:51):
with a gun, run with a gun, because nobody's going
to be there to help you. Nobody's going to come
to help you. Attackers don't attack you in the middle
of a crowd. It's up to you to take care
of this. It's up to you to save your life,
not to have a tracker so they can find your body.
(27:12):
And yes, I get I'm not trying to say that
Lake and Riley did anything wrong. She did not. The
only person who did something wrong here was her murderer.
But then as you're thinking about this, as you're talking
to the members of your family about this, as you
hear your daughters talk about, well, I've got a tracking app,
(27:32):
I've got a phone. No no, no, no no, that's
a recovery system. That's not a protection system. And when
you think about it, you'll know I'm right. It just
makes sense. Buying a gun is not enough. Getting training,
learning how to use it, starting to become a student
(27:55):
of the gun. Make it a part of your life
to read about it, to watch the videos, to learn
about how it all works, or to learn about avoiding
situations and remember doing a one point eighty turn is
a really good move. That's a good maneuver. Whether you're
flying into a box canyon or you see something in
the head that doesn't look right, you just turn around
and go the other way. But yeah, but I want
(28:17):
to go by regular route. No, you're gonna turn around
and go the other way. Yeah, but I might embarrass
those people. I mean, they may think that I thought
they were bad people. I don't care, and neither should
you turn around and go the other way? Just just saying, okay,
food for thought. Hey, if you're on hold, I'm gonna
(28:37):
get to you. Don't go anywhere. I'm gonna take a
quick break here and we'll come back and we'll pick
you up. And if you are joining us by almost,
give me a call at Tom Talk.
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Speaker 2 (31:11):
Hey, before I go to the phones, I did work
clear up something. There seems to be some confusing confusion
about ars and aks. I can explain AR means the
firearm was made in Arkansas. AK means it was made
in Alaska. Okay, Glad I could clear that up. Line
one Steer's with us out of Camellia, Georgia. Hey, Stu,
you're on gun Talk. What's you got? Oh? Thank you?
Speaker 11 (31:33):
I wanted to go down a brief list of my
favorite guns that I've owned for the past forty some
odd years. I just want to open by saying, I'm
previously lived in the Athens, Georgia community and was a
college student broadcaster, and I'm very fond of that community.
And when I heard about this tragic loss of life,
(31:54):
I was definitely rooting for the prosecution in this case,
because when a nurse loses her life life, potentially thousands
of people that desperately need the care of a nurse
also are lacking. And I just wanted to say a
special dedication about that because I'm very fond of the
Athens community.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
All Right, pick three if you would, Three of your
favorite guns.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Okay, Well, I got well my first gun in nineteen
seventy eight and I was twenty one and I had
to have a gun. But of all the two hundred
someha guns that I have owned, it comes down to
a short list. My mag ninety AK forty seven bait
in China, brand new in nineteen ninety three. That gun
was two hundred and sixty nine dollars and you will
(32:42):
never see that price again. My favorite AR fifteen was
a double Star with a built in upper assist handle
because I like having sights on my gun. And my
favorite battle rifle is the f N forty nine and
eight millimeter that I bought for four hundred and fifty yeah,
(33:03):
back in two thousand and five, and I don't know
why I sold it because it's worth over twelve hundred
dollars now and my favorite handguns. It comes down to
my Styre GB pistol that used a H and KP
seven gas system by blog nineteen. My oh, I should
mention my age seventy Remington. But my favorite handgun that
(33:23):
I was most accurate with is no longer in production.
It was the SIG two fifty double action. Only looks
a lot like the current military issue, but I could
get anything with that gun.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know. It's funny because people liked the two fifty,
but it never was popular.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
That's right, that's right. I went and bought some of
the lower grips. I had different sizes, different magazine lengths,
but when it came time to get uppers in different calibers,
they were no longer making them. So I had good
all time millimere.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
There you go.
Speaker 11 (33:55):
But I missed that gun, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Look, I appreciate that, and I got to keep scooting here. Yeah,
the two fifty is one of those I say, people
liked it, but you know, it never sold. I guess
maybe not enough people liked it. Let's go to line
five deans with us in uh, let's say Grant Bay, California.
Hey Deans, what's.
Speaker 12 (34:12):
Up, Hey, Tom, Yeah, I've got a Savage two of
four Varmut the heavy barrel, and I'm looking at getting
a set of dies. I'm still kind of new to reloading,
but I'm looking at the reading two or four Ruger
Bushing Dicet competition and try to understand next sizing and
full sizing. Yeah, and you know, is it worth it
(34:36):
to get that?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And maybe the Redding competition dies with the Bushings. There
is an argument to be made that they really do
make better AMMO. They do. Whether it's enough better to
matter is a whole different question. If you're new into reloading,
(34:57):
maybe maybe not. I guess here's the question for you.
What kind of groups are you shooting now with your
two of four?
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Well, I haven't shot it yet, but I have. It's
twin and two twenty three, and I'm shooting like, you know,
quarter sized groups at one hundred yards. And I got
the two of four for ground squirrels and I want
a little bit more reach and so I'm getting mob
sized groups.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, what you're looking at is going to the competition dies.
You're going to be able to do. You're not necessarily
going to make more accurate AMO, but you would be
able to if you put it all together and you
had the right bushings. I'm trying to think, you know what,
if you can read some of John Barsness's work online
(35:43):
br in sc ss bars nests John bars.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
Can you can you br br in.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Our nests in the SS I look up John bars Nests.
He's written about the competes and the next sizing. Here's
my suggestion. Get you a set of dies without the
without the collets, okay, without the bushings, and get a
(36:17):
set of dies that comes to the full length sizing
die and a next sizing die. So you get three
dies with your set. Start with that. My guess is
that's gonna work very well for you, and you're gonna
like what it does. You're gonna like the accuracy you
get if you get to the point where you say, well, gosh,
this thing shoots quarter each, but I would really like
for it to shoot third of it inche groups, you know,
(36:40):
or no, even smaller than that. Sorry I went the
wrong way with that, but I want it to be
even smaller. Well, then then you start working your way
through these things. But to take advantage of that, you
really have to hone your skills as a reloader, and
that's a different scale from shooting, and I don't if
you're new to that, you're not ready for that. I'm
(37:01):
not sure you could take advantage of it. I think
there'll be maybe spending money that you can't really get
out of it. I would get a set of diized
readings are excellent, rcbs are good. That comes with the
full length sizing and the next sizing dies.
Speaker 12 (37:14):
Okay, okay, and then the full length would be for
the first time I fire it, and I'm going to
keep it for the same rifle, and then after that
I next size it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Generally, yes, yeah, exactly. You may find that the full
an sizing dye works fine, but also you'll have that
for it when you get other rifles or as you say,
you may somebody may give you some brass that they
have fired at a two o four and you definitely
want to use the full in sizing dye for those
(37:44):
until you get the fireman when your rifle, and you're right,
you've got to figure it out. Once you fired that
case in your rifle, you can go to next sizing
on that, so that'll work for you. Check it out
Reading Reloading Online or RCBS dot com real good stuff. Yeah.
By the way, our CBS is having some really good
rebates going on right now, so you might take a
(38:05):
look at that as well. I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
the Trace you know that phony journalist group that was
formed by Michael Bloomberg's gun control folks. Now they say, well,
we're not going to post on X anymore. We don't
like this free exchange of ammunition our information where people
(38:26):
can challenge your ideas. And then Giffert's the gun control group,
just posted something on there, but they limit their responses
so people cannot respond to their bogus, crazy posts, once
again saying we don't want other ideas. We don't want
anybody to be able to challenge us when we call
for gun control. So they're really not free speech anymore
(38:48):
than they are Second Amendment advocates. Yeah, just figures we'll
be right back. Well, it's that time of year, well
in the time of year when we wear heavy coats,
and I kind of like it because there's a different
(39:09):
way of carrying that I do. So the last a
couple of weeks when I go out and about, I
do have my nine elevator on my belt, but I've
also been sticking to thirty eight in my coat pocket,
and I do it on the left side. I'm a
right handed shooter, but I keep the other gun on
my left side. The thinking there is, you are to
(39:30):
do all these quat if things. What if I get
into a situation and somebody's grabbed my right hand, I
can put my hand in my coat pocket and I
could actually find a revolver from the inside of the
coat pocket. You need to practice this, and don't do
it with a coat you like, because you're going to
blow a big old hole in the pocket when you
do this at the range, get close to the target,
(39:52):
hand on your gun, shove it forward away from you,
and keep your other hand well out of the Okay,
and when you shoot, it's going to burn a big
ol' hole in your coat pocket. But you're going to
find that that distances of three four feet, you ge
get a target, just fine, but shove that thing forward
(40:13):
so that the coat pocket and the coat stretches out
in front of you. Okay. Just probably best to do
that with an instructor. Speaking of revolvers, Ruger just has
a of Lipsy's and Ruger just came out with a
new Revolver, the LCR, the el CR, the light Compact Ruger.
(40:34):
It is in thirty two h and R and it's
an alloy frame. Why thirty two h and R. Well
you can get six rounds then yes, And they do
have a three twenty seven, but the problem is with
a three twenty seven you have to go to a
steel frame to handle the pressures. With a thirty two
hn R you can go to an alloy frame and
(40:54):
save several ounces. It's really good looking two tone. You
can take a look on the Lipsy's website or Ruger
website for that. Also this week a new announcement. Kimber
has a double Stack nineteen eleven, a true double Stack
nineteen eleven and forty five in and nine. They're big. Look,
double Stack nineteen elevens are big. It just are is
(41:16):
a carry gun maybe for some folks, but it is
a great range gun. Oh absolutely is the fun gun
to shoot. Yeah. I love double Stack nineteen elevens. Love
the way they shoot. Well, they got the nineteen eleven
trigger as it's typical. This is, you know, in the
over two thousand dollars range. That's just kind of where
they seem to fall. Whether it's staccato or other. Double
(41:39):
stacks there are something that a little bit less expensive.
So would you carry double stack nineteen eleven? They're kind
of a fat grip. And now we have double stacks
smaller guns, not quite micro but they were. We've got
the mid size, if you will, nine milimeters double stack pistol,
(42:00):
a lot of them. They're smaller, they're lighter for Carrie. Now,
they don't have the nineteen eleven trigger, and they don't
have a five inch sight radius that you get. But
then again, how much does sight radius mean these days?
When you can put a dot sight on your gun?
(42:20):
Now you're not worried about front sight, rear sight, lining
things up. You just put the dot on the target.
It just doesn't matter. Are you. I am not quite there?
I just I have to admit I'm not quite there.
I'm working my way to it. I do have pistols
with dots on them. I'm not carrying a gun with
(42:41):
a dot on it yet. I need more time with
the range, I need more time on task with dot sights,
red dots or green dots. I think I will get there,
but remember I got to overcome an awful lot of
years of iron sight shooting and by prejudice, which means
old guy prejudice of using iron sights. But I get it.
(43:06):
I understand all the benefits of the dot sites. I
probably will be getting there. I'm taking a bag of
guns to range ready for the class. I'm not sure
which one or ones I'll be using for that, but
we'll have some fun. Hey, we'll we come back. A
liberal college professor runs smack dab into liberal censorship when
he writes a book about guns, and his liberal friends
(43:28):
shun him for that.
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