December 1, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Ryan Gresham, from Range Ready Studios and Gun Talk Media, steps in to co-host the show today. He's testing guns and has thoughts on where the firearms industry is going.
-- Scopes and other optics just keep getting better, but what makes for a good optic? Trent Marsh from Riton Optics explains what they do to bring high-end glass to the market at reasonable prices.
-- Training isn't the same as practice. Training can save your life.
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-- Ryan Gresham, from Range Ready Studios and Gun Talk Media, steps in to co-host the show today. He's testing guns and has thoughts on where the firearms industry is going.
-- Scopes and other optics just keep getting better, but what makes for a good optic? Trent Marsh from Riton Optics explains what they do to bring high-end glass to the market at reasonable prices.
-- Training isn't the same as practice. Training can save your life.
Gun Talk 12.01.24 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome again to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, I am
your host. I am on the road again. We are
remote now, but you know it's going to sound just
fine because we're at the Range Ready studios. I'm in
the big TV studio here in the middle of gun
Talk Central down in Louisiana, about halfway between bat Rouge
and New Orleans. It's where we have our classes, our experiences,
(00:37):
all the new guns that are being introduced here like crazy.
A lot of manufacturers come down here and they introduce
the new products, a lot of fun stuff. I'm going
to be here for gosh, almost two weeks, and I'm
actually down here to take the class, the Diagnostic Pistol
Instructor class that'll be week run, not this coming week
but the following week, so looking forward to that. But
(00:57):
in the meantime I'll be shooting a bunch of guns
and trying some different things and hanging out with the
guys from Gun Talks and what we're having some fun. Basically,
we're just kind of shooting the breeze. We've got so
many things to talk about today, and of course we'd
like to welcome you to you know, come in and
you know, you can ask questions, you can throw out
your thoughts, you can disagree with us. That's always fun.
We love that and we're not disagreeable, but we can't
(01:19):
disagree about things because you know, of course the six
five creed Wars is worthless and bounces off of deer.
I love saying that. It just torks people off whenever
you do that. That is so much fun. We got
a lot of things going on today. Actually, I just
our co host just walked in here. We've got Ryan Gresham,
he is the head guy here at Range Ready Studios
and Gun Talks Central. Did you get everything worked out there?
(01:44):
That's the hit that button over there. There you go, Okay,
here we go, there you are, yell.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know, it's it's kind of fun being here on
Sunday trying to get some work done.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, you actually get more work done and Sunday when
there's nobody around here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's right. Some of my best friends are going. I
always going to the office on weekends. Want to get
stuff done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, that's right, because people quit bothering you. Well, speaking
of work, we've got a lot of things going on,
and one of the things we talk about a lot
around here is optics. And you know, you can spend
a ton of money on optics and generally you kind
of get what you pay for, except that that I
think that model may have changed and now you're getting
(02:21):
high level optics at reasonable prices. And joining me to
talk about that right now, we brought in Trent marsh
form Right on Optics. Hey Trent, thanks for joining us. Man.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Get duck you Tom, Yeah, you bet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You got Ryan and me here, so you know, you
never know who you're going to be talking to around here.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Hey, Trent, get duck you to Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So first off, tell people about right on optics. Where'd
you guys come from? Because there are people out there.
I know it probably drives you crazy people to go really,
I never heard of you guys? Who are you? No?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I mean, that's you know, it's it's the kind of
the benefit of living in the glory age of all
things that go boom. As there's been a lot of
brands that have to come about in the last you know,
really two decades, especially where where the industry is really
kind of blown up and added some names to go
(03:09):
along with the old guard and right on. Been around
for about a decade now, and I've quartered out there
in Tucson and just trying to provide another option, another
configuration for folks optics needs. So that's what we're doing
on a daily basis, is just bringing another option to
folks that are looking for those optic solutions.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I took your spotting scope, one of your spotting scopes
out to deer Camp this year, and just because because
I'm just that kind of a guy, we put it
on a tripod and we left it outside. We didn't
never brought it into the tent. It snowed on it,
it rained on it. I mean, this was the camp
spotting scope to look around and see stuff. And it's small,
(03:54):
and it's light, and it's really slick, and it works
really well and it never had a hiccup. But I
will say we did find one thing. I got a
bone to pick with you on it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It takes forever to I mean, it's a great limbs
cap it's a screwing lens cap. But man, when you
want to get that thing off on, hurry you're going
screw screws, screw. Oh my god, he's going.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
To get away.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, yep. I have said the same thing on multiple occasions. Yes,
the yep, there are there are some threads on there.
It's finding that balance between protection and accessibility, right, So that's.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I got it. I gotta figure it out. I've got
a hack for you. You know, you know, the snap
on top for a pringles can.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, there you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Go, buddy, perfect. I don't know, we're going to make
it fit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You're going around the whole grocery store looking that looks
like a perfect cat exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You got you know, you got your spotty scope under
your arm while you're walking around the grocery store trying
to pla caps.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That can of breadcrumbs look perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's right, this guy, Oh my gosh. No, but it's
it's a really nice piece of glass. And and I
guess that leads me to the question of and it's
not stupid expensive, So how do you guys do that?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
No, it's really not. You know that the optics on
that are great, but you know, it's tough. The thing
that impresses me about that spotting scope is the size,
coming in less than thirteen inches and weigh in less
than three pounds. That's that's just a fantastic piece. It's
one that honestly, I've on more than one occasion I've
just thrown it on top of my range bag. It's
(05:40):
you know, you always have that extra trip from the
vehicle to the spot on the range for everything else
that goes with so saving any of those is is great.
You know, it's we've we've spent a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Value is it's not a word I'd like to use
a lot because that that makes that sound like, you know,
we're we're cheating something, or it's a it's a it's
a cheap option, and value doesn't necessarily have to mean cheap.
That's that's not what we're doing. You know, with optics,
it's like it's like anything else. Truthfully, least couple of decades,
(06:16):
the way economies have opened up, in the way product
development has changed, and just the efficiency of bringing product
to market has has brought the cost down on so
many things. You know, we're just coming out of Black Friday.
You can walk into Walmart and pick up a TV
that you know, ten years ago is one thousand dollars TV,
and now you can walk out for two hundred bucks.
(06:36):
And it's kind of the same thing. Every everything evolves
and everything gets more efficient, and it's with optics. We've
talked about it before that you know. The misconception is
that you know, right On has a glass factory and
insert every other brand has their own glass factory. Well,
it's like pickup trucks, or it's like TVs, or it's
(06:57):
like anything else, and so many of our listeners are working,
you know, in an industry where you know, you start
asking questions and well, the components themselves, you get far
enough back in the manufacturing process. There's only so many
places that can manufacture this stuff. So it's not it's
not necessarily the materials that are setting it apart. It
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is the specific constellation of how those available materials are
configured to be able to go to market in a
way that you can deliver most of what the consumer
needs and find places where maybe something that's not as
important but that makes it a significantly more expensive piece
(07:44):
if you can, if you can maybe cut some of
those things out where it still does ninety to ninety
five percent of what three quarters of the market needs
it to do. You may be able to bring a
way more affordable option to the market and find those
opportunities to differentiate yourself a little bit. That's really what
we focus on trying to do is just always always
(08:04):
keeping that performance aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In Trent, we always say the last ten percent of
improvement costs one hundred percent more in everything.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
In everything, boats, playing, the motorcycles, fishing lures. Trent, I'm
on your website and obviously you guys have scopes, red dots,
Buyo's spotting scopes. I'm looking at the five primal two
to twelve, which seems like a great kind of do
all type of scope. But is there anything in your
lineup that you personally like a lot or you feel
(08:37):
like maybe it's kind of under the radar that people
ought to look at.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So, you know the because I'm in marketing, I'm gonna
give you the really long answer, right That's what I do.
But so much of right On's history has been on
the tactical and long range side, and building out that
primal family with with good options for hunters has been
(09:03):
something that's been a bit of a focus. You know,
I've been here right out a year now and we've
brought several new new options in in that and that
five primal two to twelve IR is one of them.
And I you know, personally, I love that configuration.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I am uh.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I've been in and around optics for for
a long time, longer than I've been it right on,
and so often people are worried about that top end magnification,
and it's top end magnification has value, but it can
cause you a lot more problems than it solves. And
especially in a hunting scenario, You've always got time to
turn the magnification up, but what you rarely have time
(09:42):
to do is turn it down for when books right
in on your lap. Right, But that that lower end
of the magnification range to me is so important. So
I've been an LPVO fan for a long time, even
for hunting applications for that specific purpose. So that end
to twelve really gives you a wide range of magnification
to be able to you know, account for that up
(10:04):
close personal stuff, but also stretch it out. So that
that's definitely one of my favorites. And I just I
love that centered out illumination redical, you know, especially for.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
For ir is illuminated redical.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Right, it is correct. You know, so many of our
cartridges anymore. You know, Tom already took a swipe at
the six five. Not not that long ago, but so many.
You know, even if you go to the heavyweight stuff
three oh eight, so thirty six and even up into
forty five seventies. You know, the perception of how long
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your shot is going to be always exceeds what it
actually ends up being. I think the average shot on
a white tail, which is eighty percent of hunting in
this country, is you know, under one hundred yards. So
that's your zero hold on pretty much anything pretty close
to three hundred yards out of the box.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You're modern, But you know, I got to say that
anybody who's worried about they got, well, I got to
have a twenty two you know power magnification for long shots.
No you don't. I mean you can make a four
hundred yard shot with a six x magnification with a
twelve x like this, two to twelve. You know, you
got your two four. That deer that jumps up at
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ten yards is running off. You can make that shot
at twelve. You can take any shot that you can
reasonably take for hunting, and you fill in the blank
for whatever is you know, well reasible to you.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The six to five need more. You can only shoot
out to kill stuff. Well, I mean, I'm teasing, but seriously,
there is a distance. Even if you can hit targets,
it doesn't have the energy, the foot pounds to actually
effectively kill games.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, people are using big magnums and they're going
way way out there. But for most people, if you said, okay,
five six hundred yards, twelve power is plenty and then some.
So again, going back to I'm right there with you. True,
I've always loved the low power variables. A two to six,
you know, a two to five is always great, But
you did have quite enough on the top end. Two
(11:59):
to twelve. Frankly, ten fifteen years ago was kind of
unheard of to have that kind of range.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Well, it's it's one of you know, the Again we
talk about how things get more efficient and more options
open up. For years and years and years, your only
magnification ranges were threes and fours. You know, you had
three to twelve, You had three to nine, and you
had four to six teams. That's really only been in
the last couple of decades that you know, I've been
in the industry long enough that when Commit and Bender
(12:26):
dropped that one to eight, the whole universe sat back
and said, holy cow, and eight times magnification system. And
now you know, pretty much everybody has a one to ten.
You know, everyone has a one to eight, and most
most companies have an option in a one to ten. So,
you know, you give some things up, and it is
a tougher optical system to manage, and there are certain
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you know, things you need to you know, be mindful
of in those situations. But yeah, it's just another one
of those situations where take advantage of the things that
make sense. And for me, that kind of five or
six times optical system is really in the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Hey, one other we're going to have to scoot. Let
me just do this. I want to drive people to
your website. Right on optics is our I t O
in our I t O in optics. And they've got
binoculars and red dots and you know, dot scopes and
spotting scopes and rifle scopes. It's a complete line of
optics with more to come. I imagine that shot show.
(13:28):
We're going to see it even more.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh there there's always stuff in the works. Absolutely, no
doubt or Trent.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We appreciate your time. We appreciate what you guys do
bringing really good optics at a reasonable price to the
market for us. This is great.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Good talk to you guys. Appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
See you Trent, take care all right? Eight six six
talk gun or Tom talk gun. We're open lines. If
you got a question for me or for Ryan. You
want to talk about range reading, studios, or the classes
they're doing here or anything else, give me a holler.
We'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yes, we have to talk about guns, so we can
start talking about guns again. We've got Ryan Gresham from
Rangerading Studios and Gun Talk Media over here. We're actually
in the big TV studio here at Range Erding Studios,
which is great because he's got.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
The whole room is.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's a massive room, all soundproof and everything. You like it,
We like it. You got what like depending on which
way you point the camera, you must have like six
different sets in here.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So you know what's good, Yeah, we do. You know
what's wild about this room is when you're building a
TV studio, a video studio, I mean one of the
big deals is sound, right, you have to have good
sound in the room so it's not too but you
also want to keep sound out. We're on a highway,
we're not talking to you back, you know, miles off
the road. And then you've got rain that can come
(17:08):
in and all this stuff. So we didn't we put
a lot of effort into making this a sort of
sound proof room. So, but we do have the range
ready range out back.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The range it's like one hundred yards out the back,
maybe fifty yards where they're standing just outside the door here.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The loudest thing we do here is when we run
an ar class. I mean you have ten or fifteen
ars going off at the same time. It's it's pretty loud.
And when you're in here, all you can hear with
the like the naked ear would be.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Does it come through microphones at all?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right now? It doesn't. No, you wouldn't. We could be
doing the show live right now and have you know
World War three going out out there.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, and you might describe what you had to do.
First of all, this room was a huge insulated room
because this was a slaughterhouse. Yeah, so the walls here
are like what interesting?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, maybe more than that. And you know, it's it's
interesting and we've we've had experience, I mean my background
and yours playing music when I was younger, playing in
recording studios and then going to do it all these
TV studios in Alabama and New Orleans and Baton Rouge
and all these places and looking at what how they
constructed their studios. So we actually tore well, hurricane helped,
(18:24):
but it tore part of the roof off, and then
we puts. We tore the rest of it off and
and then we kind of built back from there. We
built back better, if you will, and we sprayed it
with sound insulation, rubberized coating, and then you put in
sound batting and regular Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it's like, oh,
(18:47):
this is for video.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, sure, there's a five X factor on that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We'll sell you some some tape, a roll of tape.
This is one hundred dollars for the roll of tape.
It's called gaff tape.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's different, it's not duct tape tape shots all right. Yeah,
but you actually ended up building a room inside of
a room exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, you build a room inside of a room and
just extreme soundproofing. So it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah it is. And so of course this is part
of the complex, if you will. And then you were
just last night you were showing me some video you shot.
You had a local swat team doing some training in
your shootouse here.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, we have a part of the building was honestly
part of the building where we said, I don't know
what we're going to do with this part. You know,
people say we bought more building what we needed, but
then we turned it into a shoot house and it's
about a four thousand square foot shootthouse. And so yeah,
we have local swat teams come in and they said,
can we bring the canine in and do some stuff?
So cool, as long as I get to film it.
(19:44):
So yeah, we I got to tag along, and it's
it's pretty neat.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah. The canine known as a meat missile. Yes, oh man,
like you turn them loose in your haulding fur missile.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah. He was just so excited to tear apart the
bad guy.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh yeah, he lives and the bad guys. He's playing
the part. He's screaming, and of course I think he would.
Actually if you had that dog all over you, you'd
be screaming. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I can't I can't forget the the canine officer that
we had on the show many years ago. And I
don't know if this was on the air or off
the air, but he said, yeah, we had a guy
last week. He was under house. We're yelling at him,
Hey man, come out, We're gonna send the dog in.
We know you're under there, come out, and the guy
won't come out. He send the dog in and and
the dog comes back with an ear. No, hey man,
(20:33):
I told you come out.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's right. You know you could save that ear. Just
what it is? You made bad choices, ely cow. So
they're shooting sims inside, right.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Correct, not live fires. So so sims, SI munitions, paintball
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Occasional classes and different events doing sims inside, and you're
doing other classes. But I want you to talk about
the well, tell you what we're gonna run into our
break here just a second. When we come back, I
want to talk about the experiences because there are a
lot of places in the country where you can go
and take good classes, and we encourage people to go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right absolutely, get training. I don't care where it is.
We we don't run enough classes to train everybody, but
everybody needs to get some training. And when we say training,
what we really mean is in an entire day or
an entire two or three days of dedicated training that
you will really improve and become a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right yeah, not just a familiarization, an actual training classes
where you're learning to shoot learning to do things that
you've not done before, which is a lot of it.
But you know, so you've got you know, you know,
classes here. But as you said, we encourage people to
go take classes and other places anywhere guns like Thunder Ranch,
sig Academy, somewhere. But at the same time, you're doing
a thing that you created. It's unique called the experiences
(21:52):
where people get to come in and try sometimes new
things where they actually can't even talk about the guns
they got.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
To show here, and we have a bunch of them
coming up next year.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh okay, all right when we come back, we'll talk
about that. Well, the ones you can talk about because
some of our secret sauce straight. That's some fun stuff.
Eight six six talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We'll
get you in here on cong gression.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
He's Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
This is gun talk. See if only we could just
talk about guns a while. Oh yeah, that's what we do.
If you could listen to the entire break. Sometimes we
had to do that right and just go okay, we're
just going to keep the mics open, yeah, and just
(22:34):
do the We'll do a video aspect of it while
we're doing the radio and people can watch what goes
on during the break.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I think we could do that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You think you have a place where we could do that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
We just hit go on the button.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, it's this massive room we're in now with
all these cameras in it and everything else.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I don't know how it works, but we have people
who know how that works, people, and they're great.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're talking about Arrange Ready Studios and gun Talk Media.
If you go to range Ready Studios, you'll see the
facility here shooting facility, but there's so much more to it.
There's offices, there's suite. We've got full time editors here.
I got a whole team of very talented people and
an amazing physical facility. Honestly, I don't think there's ever
(23:14):
been anything like this in our world, in the firearms world,
where it's a combination training facility and offices and content
creation center that is nothing short of world class. You're
to be congratulated. You did all this and thanks. You
know it's and it was so easy.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes, what you want to do is you want to
buy an old slaughterhouse that's been abandoned for twelve years
and then.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Where you can see the sky through the roof.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, trend into your offices.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, nothing to that great vision. Have we mentioned that
the floor was kind of there were it was all concrete,
but some levels were higher than others because they had
to have big drains in it where all the blood
ran down and it poured out of the place. So
you had to fill in all that concrete. Yeah, you
got to experience.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You're trying to give me PTSD.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
That you got experienced those three magic words, the most
expensive words there are, might.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
As well, yeah, well as well. Hey, I felt like
I was on one of those renovation shows where they're like,
you want to come see this. We opened up a
wall and discovered something like oh.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
God, yeah, oh yeah, exactly right. So it's uh, you
know when we were doing our house after the fire,
and any given day, I'd come back to the house
and the guy working and I would do that finger
crooked things like boss. He says, uh, come over with
a boss, I need to show you something. But yeah,
this is not going to be good. Yeah. I like
the one the day he said, yeah, we found a
(24:34):
snake inside your wall. Okay, good glad, you're ripping down.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
When we went to break we were talking about training, yes,
and the need for training.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
And.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I've kind of gotten to a new place lately. We're
always talking about the need for training and all this
and that, and sometimes I realize that people don't know
what the hell we're talking about when we say you
need to get some training, Like, yeah, yeah, I got
my chinsel carry right, That's not what I'm talking about.
And I say we all for training courses here, and
a lot of people who I know who are gun
owners say, oh, do you have concealed carry courses? No,
(25:06):
we don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Training is a word without a real clear definition from
the people.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, we don't do that. So they go, what do
you mean? Because probably people there's half of the people
listening to this know exactly what we're talking about because
they've been listening to you for decades and talking about
gun site and all these you know, thunder Ranch and
all these places. But half of them like guns, own guns,
thinking about getting a gun, And they go, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here? What we're talking about
(25:33):
is let's let's go to the end result. The goal
is you can draw. Let's let's just talk about handguns
for a second. You can draw a handgun from a
holster in a short amount of time and hit a
target at a reasonable distance, accurately, consistently. And so that's
(25:54):
what we're talking about. We're not talking about you learn
the laws and then you went out there and they
go everybody, look of your magazine or loads your gun
and all right, we're gonna just shoot you. Just take
your time, shoot your ten shots, and then we're gonna
move the target. That's not what we're talking about, guys.
We're talking about winning the day. And that's kind of
a little slogan that we've started using internally. Is is
(26:16):
winning the day? What do that means? Winning a fight
defensively or it could just mean for fun, like winning
in a competition on the weekend, shooting your guns, because
guns can be for fun, and I sometimes think that
we forget about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Good. Oh, it's so serious.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So it's so Sharoh you're hitting this. We're in the
back country for ELK and oh we had I was
on the streets of Detroit, Like, guys, guns are fun.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, shooting? Okay, guys, why we introduce people to it?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yes, but back to the training part. I'm the gun guy.
You're the gun guy. You meet somebody at a barbecue
or whatever. They're like, Oh, yeah, the gun guy. Oh,
I got a question for you. What do you think
I was thinking about getting a gun? I was thinking
about what gun should I get? And m hmm. I've
indulged that conversation a bunch and I've gotten to the
(27:03):
point now where I will tell someone it doesn't matter.
What do you mean it doesn't matter. I'm like, it
doesn't matter. I don't care. Go buy a gun, yea,
and then go get training, because you know what, the
best guitar players in the world could pick up any
guitar and play it. Eld John can sit down at
(27:25):
any piano at a freaking Honky Tonk and Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and you'll go, Wow, that guy's really good at piano.
It must be a great piano.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like, no, no, it's not. I get the same thing
with my photography. People say, oh, man, it's a great picture.
You must have a really good camera.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, well fifty years of being a professional photographer.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That too, right, And there's that right. I mean, Chris
Sono is good at shooting guns. He's kind of a
just good at he picks up.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Times and he's a savant he can do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah. Yes, and even his buddies would call him the
human ransom rest. He's just one of those guys that
we go Chris, is this gout on we hand it
to him. You know, it's shooting a little bit off.
I mean you can trust you know, when he pulls
the trigger and says it's a loose.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Vice, it really is.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
People get so wrapped up in what gun should I
get like there's a wrong answer. I mean, perhaps there
are better guns and worse. And it's a fun discussion,
and it's a fun discussion it is, But.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
To your first it's an unnecessary discussion and it actually
diverts you from the important thing, which is all guns
shoot pretty darn well.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, and if you're bad at shooting any gun, a
four thousand dollars gun isn't going to make you a
better shooter.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, you'll just be missing more expensively. You'll look good
doing it. You look good and your buddies are going, wow,
that's a really good gun.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
He can't shoot for beans.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
But it's just like guys, you know, I look, buying
guns is fun. I like guns, and guns can also
be encourage that and it can also be why I'm
not worried about that. I just like tom buy them,
and I like the mechanical parts of them, and all
that's cool. That's another way to enjoy guns. But as
far as if they're asking me, and usually this is
the question, what gun should I buy for protecting myself
(29:14):
and my family? Yes, for home defense or for concealed carry?
And it's like, I mean, I could give you. I
don't know. I could think of forty different guns that
are fine. They're all equally fine as long as you
go get training.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
There were three of us in this room an hour
ago with one, two, three, four, five pistols.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
On us right.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
None of them were the same, and all of them
would work just fine because all those three people can
really shoot and know what they're doing. Yeah, to your point,
let's take a quick break here, because I want to
expand on this as we get back, and if people
have some thoughts on it, they can also haul way
into this. The point of all this is when it
comes to self defense. Now it's time to get serious
(29:59):
about this stuff. All this is fun and all that,
but oh, you want to actually save your life and
save the lives of your wife, your daughter, your children,
your husband. You know you want to protect yourself. We
got to cut through the bs and not have to
be perfectly nice anymore. We're going to tell you what
really works, what you need to know when we come
back a little bit more of that.
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Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm over here at
them on the road today, Brett. For the next two weeks,
we'll be here at range Ready Studios down in Louisiana
a range Ready Studios dot Com. We're visiting with Ryan Gresham.
He is the well, he's the head guy over here,
the guy that runs that. He built it, he designed it,
he had the vision of it. And we're talking a
little bit about training. And you've heard me talk about
(33:03):
training for a long time. Yeah, I keep pushing it.
Not that I'm saying anybody should be required. We're not
talking about mandatory training, right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, I mean people will ask that, and that comes
up when we each state has these perminalists carry right, really, wait,
you're not going to have to have training to carry.
I mean my take is you shouldn't have to ask
the government permission to exercise or right. You should be
able to carry without a permit. You should not be
(33:32):
required to have training to exercise a right right now.
You should want to go get training because and you
will want.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
To once you fully understand what we're talking about, which
it goes back to your point of people don't know
what you mean when you say the word training, where
people will say, well, I've been shooting all my life.
How many times you've heard that?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Oh, man all the time, and it's like, oh, I shoot,
I shoot guns, and it's okay. You throw bullets into
a berm Okay, I have the target pretty good? Well,
what's pretty good?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And what's the target?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Earth?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, okay, And I said, I
was actually on the show last week. I said, look,
let's just come up with a real quick test. A
nine inch paper plate. Okay, let's put it out there
at fifteen yards. That's not very far with your carry
gun whatever it is. Can you put all the shots
(34:29):
into a nine inch circle at fifteen yards? Take your time?
How much time you want, Oh, as much time as
you want, how much times you want. Most people cannot, right,
I will guarantee you most people cannot. Now let's put
a little pressure on you. Now, you've got five seconds
to put five shots in there. It's only one shot
per second. That's slow, right, right, real slow. Forget it
ain't happening, right, that's what we're talking. Now. You got
(34:52):
to do it in half that amount of time. And
the gun's going to go empty in the middle of that.
And you need to reload your gun from the magazine
that you got on your belt.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
What and you all so should not be standing still?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh that's right, that's right. You need to get off
the actual you need to start moving one way or
the other. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We throw some drills up there on our social gun talk,
social range Ready studios socials, whether that's Facebook or Facebook
x Instagram. And one of them that Chris has been
challenging himself with different guns on is what they call
it the five five to five drill. So a five
(35:26):
inch circle that's the target at five yards in five
seconds five shots.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, five inches five yard five shots.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Five seconds five seconds. Five inches is kind of small.
Five yards feels pretty close fifteen feet.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It requires a lot of concentration, focus, and as I say,
it's easy to it's not hard to hit, but it's
easy to miss.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And I think the problem is we can throw out
drills and I'll caution you about going to instructors. There
are a lot of good instructors and good schools out there.
If you show up at one of these places and
you do a full day or two day or three
day class and all you do is run drills, and
they go, all right, we'll go, loads your bags, let's
shoot another drill. Let's go loads of bags, go shoot
(36:15):
more drills. And the instructor never tells you how to
get better. That's not good.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's not training, that's just you're just shooting.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's just it's fun, you know, it's kind of supervised shooting.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's a high round count experience, that's what it is.
And a lot of people go, well, I had a
great time over there. Okay, great, great time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And that could be fun. But you want somebody who's
gonna critique you and go, hey, you're taking too much time.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Shoot faster, right yeah, because if all your shots going
into one hole, you need to speed things up exactly,
because you know, I mean, I mean, I remember my wife,
your mom doing that at the class with Kay Mitchllick.
She's doing a class and Pat shooting and Kay comes
back behind her and Pat is just drilling, hammering the
(37:00):
bull's eye out of this paper. In case that's really good,
shoot faster basically because.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You can constructor is going to say, well that's a
pretty little group, but let's shoot faster and see if
you can still also have a pretty good group, right.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, because when it really goes down, you're going to
need to shoot faster. You are going to shoot fast,
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
And that's one of those things in the DEPI class
that you guys are going to be doing next week.
I'm looking for diagnostic pistol instructor. I mean, think about
the name of diagnostic pistol instructor. We're actually going to
be able to look at your target and tell you
what you're doing in your shooting to make the target
look like that, and then you can pass that along
to other people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know, this idea of shooting faster. It's one of
the things we saw when you created the first person
Fender show, when people drop in and you know, they
get attacked or something's going on, and they shoot. First
of all, we found they shoot all the end they
have in the gun. They shoot the gun dry.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Or or they shoot once. Really they go boom, and
then they put the gun down and they look around
like did I do good? You go, what what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
The guy is still coming at you. You still got
a knife.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's a that's a scar from too many movies and
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think, oh boy, you know, and we really do,
whether you know it or not, we all have these
scars that are bad from watching TV and movies and
we think that's how it's done. And honestly, about half
of what you're doing in these classes is getting rid
of some of that noise in there because you see
it on First Person Defender. And by the way, if
(38:31):
you haven't watched First Person Defender, you got to go
watch it. There's actually some really good eye opening training
going on there in terms in terms of what you
should do, what you shouldn't do, and how you should
think about this.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah. I mean, and if anybody listening has good experiences
bad experiences with taking training classes, we'd love to hear
from you, call in.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, exactly right. So eight to sixty six talk done?
Are Tom talk done? We're visiting with Ryan Gresham and
we're we're at Range Ready Studios. We've got a whole
bunch of cool guests lined up today. It's gonna be fun.
I hope you keep listen. All your buddies, tell them
to tune in because we're having fun. You know what
this is? Gun talk? Hey, welcome back. In a few minutes,
(39:14):
we're gonna be talking about accurate rifles. How do you
make a rifle accurate? Their secrets to it. We got
a guy who's gonna revealed maybe a couple of secrets.
They don't give away everything, you know that, right, It's
just the way it is. So we got Ryan Greshamir
Frank called in. He's in Carbon County, Montanna. Frank, you
got a point to make here, dive in please?
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Yes. Two points.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
First of all, in the whole training aspect, when we
shoot or I shoot, I always ask my shooting partner
or partners to acknowledge that they see the chamber is empty.
Not a nod of the head, not a smile, but
do you see the chamber is empty?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I do.
Speaker 9 (39:52):
And secondly, muscle memory, Well, when you go for the gun,
it has to be natural, it has to be part
of your hand and feel like an extension of the
of your body.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, Frank, I gotta go yes. But on this one, okay,
Because for the kind of training we're doing, we're running
hot ranges. Everybody's carrying a loaded gun everywhere all the time.
There's no unloaded guns anywhere. Every gun is loaded, every
gun is in a holster. So we're never showing an
empty chamber. We're never showing guns to other people. I
(40:26):
think that's stuff that comes out of competition where they
artificially require people to show, you know, show unloaded and
you know, show clear and unloaded, and to do all
that kind of Mickey mouse stuff, which I guess is
necessary maybe on a competition.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
When you have a bunch of different shooters and you
have a bunch of you have to kind of do
it that way, right, But when we're running off a
hot range, isn't that's what we do, and that's what
a lot of people do, like a gun side or
rus sig or whatever, and people are working out of
the holsters. You can you can run with the guns.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Loaded gun is a safe gun.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah. We also were telling people you can't handle your gun.
You can't take it out of your holster. You know.
No guns come out of the holsters until you're on
the line, you know, and then there's a time in
a way that you handle your firearms. It's just a
different mindset. And it's one of the things that I
found when we actually had some of our friends came
down here from Idaho with us, and they were a
(41:22):
little bit uncomfortable with a loaded gun with a loaded chamber,
all of that, And after two days of shooting it
ranged ready with Chris and Rob Latham, they were completely
comfortable carrying a loaded gun, a loaded chamber in the holster,
pulling it out and walk around with everybody. You just
have to be shown how to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, you have to do it the right way. Frank,
do you mean pistol shooting? Is that what you guys
are doing.
Speaker 9 (41:48):
We were doing time drills and there were multiple people,
and then when we finished our run, we showed that
the chamber was empty and then reholstered.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, okay, in that situation, I see what you're doing,
and that works. You do have to tailor for the
situation and what you were doing there, Frank, makes makes
some sense. But Yeah, to your point of the gun
has to feel natural, like part of your hand. I
have always said you need when you put your hand
on that pistol and it comes out of your holster,
it should feel as comfortable to you as the stick
(42:21):
shift in your car, which you never have to think
about handling.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah. And also, Frank, you're right. I mean I was
kind of saying it doesn't matter. I mean, I guess
what I meant by it doesn't matter when people ask
me about which gun should it be? Is as long
as it's as long as it fits you, right, because
I think the people rely on me or their gun buddy.
It's like, which gun do you like? Oh, well, I
really like glock or I really like m and ps
(42:45):
or whatever. That's cool, but you kind of have to
try out different things. The good part is we have
a lot of good guns. There's not a lot of
bad guns right out there, so you have a lot
of good choices.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I guess we did. Out on the internet, people expose
things that don't really work well, and there are very
few guns that are not good in these days. Now.
It may not be my preference, and that's one of
the things that's great. If you can go to a
shooting range where you could rint several different guns and
try different guns, especially with a instructor, you can try
different ones to go, yeah, that one just doesn't feel
good to be but that's one over here. I really
like it, you know. And if it really works for
(43:17):
you and it feels good in your hands and you
can shoot it, don't listen to the internet noise out there.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
If you like it and then shoot, you shoot it, well,
go for it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
That's really all it is. All right. When we come back,
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome again to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, I am
your host. I am on the road again. We are
remote now, but you know it's going to sound just
fine because we're at the Range Ready studios. I'm in
the big TV studio here in the middle of gun
Talk Central down in Louisiana, about halfway between bat Rouge
and New Orleans. It's where we have our classes, our experiences,
(00:37):
all the new guns that are being introduced here like crazy.
A lot of manufacturers come down here and they introduce
the new products, a lot of fun stuff. I'm going
to be here for gosh, almost two weeks, and I'm
actually down here to take the class, the Diagnostic Pistol
Instructor class that'll be week run, not this coming week
but the following week, so looking forward to that. But
(00:57):
in the meantime I'll be shooting a bunch of guns
and trying some different things and hanging out with the
guys from Gun Talks and what we're having some fun. Basically,
we're just kind of shooting the breeze. We've got so
many things to talk about today, and of course we'd
like to welcome you to you know, come in and
you know, you can ask questions, you can throw out
your thoughts, you can disagree with us. That's always fun.
We love that and we're not disagreeable, but we can't
(01:19):
disagree about things because you know, of course the six
five creed Wars is worthless and bounces off of deer.
I love saying that. It just torks people off whenever
you do that. That is so much fun. We got
a lot of things going on today. Actually, I just
our co host just walked in here. We've got Ryan Gresham,
he is the head guy here at Range Ready Studios
and Gun Talks Central. Did you get everything worked out there?
(01:44):
That's the hit that button over there. There you go, Okay,
here we go, there you are, yell.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know, it's it's kind of fun being here on
Sunday trying to get some work done.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, you actually get more work done and Sunday when
there's nobody around here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's right. Some of my best friends are going. I
always going to the office on weekends. Want to get
stuff done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, that's right, because people quit bothering you. Well, speaking
of work, we've got a lot of things going on,
and one of the things we talk about a lot
around here is optics. And you know, you can spend
a ton of money on optics and generally you kind
of get what you pay for, except that that I
think that model may have changed and now you're getting
(02:21):
high level optics at reasonable prices. And joining me to
talk about that right now, we brought in Trent marsh
form Right on Optics. Hey Trent, thanks for joining us. Man.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Get duck you Tom, Yeah, you bet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You got Ryan and me here, so you know, you
never know who you're going to be talking to around here.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Hey, Trent, get duck you to Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So first off, tell people about right on optics. Where'd
you guys come from? Because there are people out there.
I know it probably drives you crazy people to go really,
I never heard of you guys? Who are you? No?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I mean, that's you know, it's it's the kind of
the benefit of living in the glory age of all
things that go boom. As there's been a lot of
brands that have to come about in the last you know,
really two decades, especially where where the industry is really
kind of blown up and added some names to go
(03:09):
along with the old guard and right on. Been around
for about a decade now, and I've quartered out there
in Tucson and just trying to provide another option, another
configuration for folks optics needs. So that's what we're doing
on a daily basis, is just bringing another option to
folks that are looking for those optic solutions.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I took your spotting scope, one of your spotting scopes
out to deer Camp this year, and just because because
I'm just that kind of a guy, we put it
on a tripod and we left it outside. We didn't
never brought it into the tent. It snowed on it,
it rained on it. I mean, this was the camp
spotting scope to look around and see stuff. And it's small,
(03:54):
and it's light, and it's really slick, and it works
really well and it never had a hiccup. But I
will say we did find one thing. I got a
bone to pick with you on it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It takes forever to I mean, it's a great limbs
cap it's a screwing lens cap. But man, when you
want to get that thing off on, hurry you're going
screw screws, screw. Oh my god, he's going.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
To get away.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, yep. I have said the same thing on multiple occasions. Yes,
the yep, there are there are some threads on there.
It's finding that balance between protection and accessibility, right, So that's.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I got it. I gotta figure it out. I've got
a hack for you. You know, you know, the snap
on top for a pringles can.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, there you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Go, buddy, perfect. I don't know, we're going to make
it fit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You're going around the whole grocery store looking that looks
like a perfect cat exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You got you know, you got your spotty scope under
your arm while you're walking around the grocery store trying
to pla caps.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That can of breadcrumbs look perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's right, this guy, Oh my gosh. No, but it's
it's a really nice piece of glass. And and I
guess that leads me to the question of and it's
not stupid expensive, So how do you guys do that?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
No, it's really not. You know that the optics on
that are great, but you know, it's tough. The thing
that impresses me about that spotting scope is the size,
coming in less than thirteen inches and weigh in less
than three pounds. That's that's just a fantastic piece. It's
one that honestly, I've on more than one occasion I've
just thrown it on top of my range bag. It's
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you know, you always have that extra trip from the
vehicle to the spot on the range for everything else
that goes with so saving any of those is is great.
You know, it's we've we've spent a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Value is it's not a word I'd like to use
a lot because that that makes that sound like, you know,
we're we're cheating something, or it's a it's a it's
a cheap option, and value doesn't necessarily have to mean cheap.
That's that's not what we're doing. You know, with optics,
it's like it's like anything else. Truthfully, least couple of decades,
(06:16):
the way economies have opened up, in the way product
development has changed, and just the efficiency of bringing product
to market has has brought the cost down on so
many things. You know, we're just coming out of Black Friday.
You can walk into Walmart and pick up a TV
that you know, ten years ago is one thousand dollars TV,
and now you can walk out for two hundred bucks.
(06:36):
And it's kind of the same thing. Every everything evolves
and everything gets more efficient, and it's with optics. We've
talked about it before that you know. The misconception is
that you know, right On has a glass factory and
insert every other brand has their own glass factory. Well,
it's like pickup trucks, or it's like TVs, or it's
(06:57):
like anything else, and so many of our listeners are working,
you know, in an industry where you know, you start
asking questions and well, the components themselves, you get far
enough back in the manufacturing process. There's only so many
places that can manufacture this stuff. So it's not it's
not necessarily the materials that are setting it apart. It
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is the specific constellation of how those available materials are
configured to be able to go to market in a
way that you can deliver most of what the consumer
needs and find places where maybe something that's not as
important but that makes it a significantly more expensive piece
(07:44):
if you can, if you can maybe cut some of
those things out where it still does ninety to ninety
five percent of what three quarters of the market needs
it to do. You may be able to bring a
way more affordable option to the market and find those
opportunities to differentiate yourself a little bit. That's really what
we focus on trying to do is just always always
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keeping that performance aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In Trent, we always say the last ten percent of
improvement costs one hundred percent more in everything.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
In everything, boats, playing, the motorcycles, fishing lures. Trent, I'm
on your website and obviously you guys have scopes, red dots,
Buyo's spotting scopes. I'm looking at the five primal two
to twelve, which seems like a great kind of do
all type of scope. But is there anything in your
lineup that you personally like a lot or you feel
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like maybe it's kind of under the radar that people
ought to look at.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So, you know the because I'm in marketing, I'm gonna
give you the really long answer, right That's what I do.
But so much of right On's history has been on
the tactical and long range side, and building out that
primal family with with good options for hunters has been
(09:03):
something that's been a bit of a focus. You know,
I've been here right out a year now and we've
brought several new new options in in that and that
five primal two to twelve IR is one of them.
And I you know, personally, I love that configuration.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I am uh.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I've been in and around optics for for
a long time, longer than I've been it right on,
and so often people are worried about that top end magnification,
and it's top end magnification has value, but it can
cause you a lot more problems than it solves. And
especially in a hunting scenario, You've always got time to
turn the magnification up, but what you rarely have time
(09:42):
to do is turn it down for when books right
in on your lap. Right, But that that lower end
of the magnification range to me is so important. So
I've been an LPVO fan for a long time, even
for hunting applications for that specific purpose. So that end
to twelve really gives you a wide range of magnification
to be able to you know, account for that up
(10:04):
close personal stuff, but also stretch it out. So that
that's definitely one of my favorites. And I just I
love that centered out illumination redical, you know, especially for.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
For ir is illuminated redical.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Right, it is correct. You know, so many of our
cartridges anymore. You know, Tom already took a swipe at
the six five. Not not that long ago, but so many.
You know, even if you go to the heavyweight stuff
three oh eight, so thirty six and even up into
forty five seventies. You know, the perception of how long
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your shot is going to be always exceeds what it
actually ends up being. I think the average shot on
a white tail, which is eighty percent of hunting in
this country, is you know, under one hundred yards. So
that's your zero hold on pretty much anything pretty close
to three hundred yards out of the box.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You're modern, But you know, I got to say that
anybody who's worried about they got, well, I got to
have a twenty two you know power magnification for long shots.
No you don't. I mean you can make a four
hundred yard shot with a six x magnification with a
twelve x like this, two to twelve. You know, you
got your two four. That deer that jumps up at
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ten yards is running off. You can make that shot
at twelve. You can take any shot that you can
reasonably take for hunting, and you fill in the blank
for whatever is you know, well reasible to you.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The six to five need more. You can only shoot
out to kill stuff. Well, I mean, I'm teasing, but seriously,
there is a distance. Even if you can hit targets,
it doesn't have the energy, the foot pounds to actually
effectively kill games.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, people are using big magnums and they're going
way way out there. But for most people, if you said, okay,
five six hundred yards, twelve power is plenty and then some.
So again, going back to I'm right there with you. True,
I've always loved the low power variables. A two to six,
you know, a two to five is always great, But
you did have quite enough on the top end. Two
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to twelve. Frankly, ten fifteen years ago was kind of
unheard of to have that kind of range.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Well, it's it's one of you know, the Again we
talk about how things get more efficient and more options
open up. For years and years and years, your only
magnification ranges were threes and fours. You know, you had
three to twelve, You had three to nine, and you
had four to six teams. That's really only been in
the last couple of decades that you know, I've been
in the industry long enough that when Commit and Bender
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dropped that one to eight, the whole universe sat back
and said, holy cow, and eight times magnification system. And
now you know, pretty much everybody has a one to ten.
You know, everyone has a one to eight, and most
most companies have an option in a one to ten. So,
you know, you give some things up, and it is
a tougher optical system to manage, and there are certain
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you know, things you need to you know, be mindful
of in those situations. But yeah, it's just another one
of those situations where take advantage of the things that
make sense. And for me, that kind of five or
six times optical system is really in the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Hey, one other we're going to have to scoot. Let
me just do this. I want to drive people to
your website. Right on optics is our I t O
in our I t O in optics. And they've got
binoculars and red dots and you know, dot scopes and
spotting scopes and rifle scopes. It's a complete line of
optics with more to come. I imagine that shot show.
(13:28):
We're going to see it even more.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh there there's always stuff in the works. Absolutely, no
doubt or Trent.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We appreciate your time. We appreciate what you guys do
bringing really good optics at a reasonable price to the
market for us. This is great.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Good talk to you guys. Appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
See you Trent, take care all right? Eight six six
talk gun or Tom talk gun. We're open lines. If
you got a question for me or for Ryan. You
want to talk about range reading, studios, or the classes
they're doing here or anything else, give me a holler.
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Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yes, we have to talk about guns, so we can
start talking about guns again. We've got Ryan Gresham from
Rangerading Studios and Gun Talk Media over here. We're actually
in the big TV studio here at Range Erding Studios,
which is great because he's got.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
The whole room is.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's a massive room, all soundproof and everything. You like it,
We like it. You got what like depending on which
way you point the camera, you must have like six
different sets in here.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So you know what's good, Yeah, we do. You know
what's wild about this room is when you're building a
TV studio, a video studio, I mean one of the
big deals is sound, right, you have to have good
sound in the room so it's not too but you
also want to keep sound out. We're on a highway,
we're not talking to you back, you know, miles off
the road. And then you've got rain that can come
(17:08):
in and all this stuff. So we didn't we put
a lot of effort into making this a sort of
sound proof room. So, but we do have the range
ready range out back.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The range it's like one hundred yards out the back,
maybe fifty yards where they're standing just outside the door here.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The loudest thing we do here is when we run
an ar class. I mean you have ten or fifteen
ars going off at the same time. It's it's pretty loud.
And when you're in here, all you can hear with
the like the naked ear would be.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Does it come through microphones at all?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right now? It doesn't. No, you wouldn't. We could be
doing the show live right now and have you know
World War three going out out there.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, and you might describe what you had to do.
First of all, this room was a huge insulated room
because this was a slaughterhouse. Yeah, so the walls here
are like what interesting?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, maybe more than that. And you know, it's it's
interesting and we've we've had experience, I mean my background
and yours playing music when I was younger, playing in
recording studios and then going to do it all these
TV studios in Alabama and New Orleans and Baton Rouge
and all these places and looking at what how they
constructed their studios. So we actually tore well, hurricane helped,
(18:24):
but it tore part of the roof off, and then
we puts. We tore the rest of it off and
and then we kind of built back from there. We
built back better, if you will, and we sprayed it
with sound insulation, rubberized coating, and then you put in
sound batting and regular Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it's like, oh,
(18:47):
this is for video.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, sure, there's a five X factor on that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We'll sell you some some tape, a roll of tape.
This is one hundred dollars for the roll of tape.
It's called gaff tape.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's different, it's not duct tape tape shots all right. Yeah,
but you actually ended up building a room inside of
a room exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, you build a room inside of a room and
just extreme soundproofing. So it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah it is. And so of course this is part
of the complex, if you will. And then you were
just last night you were showing me some video you shot.
You had a local swat team doing some training in
your shootouse here.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, we have a part of the building was honestly
part of the building where we said, I don't know
what we're going to do with this part. You know,
people say we bought more building what we needed, but
then we turned it into a shoot house and it's
about a four thousand square foot shootthouse. And so yeah,
we have local swat teams come in and they said,
can we bring the canine in and do some stuff?
So cool, as long as I get to film it.
(19:44):
So yeah, we I got to tag along, and it's
it's pretty neat.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah. The canine known as a meat missile. Yes, oh man,
like you turn them loose in your haulding fur missile.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah. He was just so excited to tear apart the
bad guy.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh yeah, he lives and the bad guys. He's playing
the part. He's screaming, and of course I think he would.
Actually if you had that dog all over you, you'd
be screaming. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I can't I can't forget the the canine officer that
we had on the show many years ago. And I
don't know if this was on the air or off
the air, but he said, yeah, we had a guy
last week. He was under house. We're yelling at him,
Hey man, come out, We're gonna send the dog in.
We know you're under there, come out, and the guy
won't come out. He send the dog in and and
the dog comes back with an ear. No, hey man,
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I told you come out.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's right. You know you could save that ear. Just
what it is? You made bad choices, ely cow. So
they're shooting sims inside, right.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Correct, not live fires. So so sims, SI munitions, paintball
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Occasional classes and different events doing sims inside, and you're
doing other classes. But I want you to talk about
the well, tell you what we're gonna run into our
break here just a second. When we come back, I
want to talk about the experiences because there are a
lot of places in the country where you can go
and take good classes, and we encourage people to go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right absolutely, get training. I don't care where it is.
We we don't run enough classes to train everybody, but
everybody needs to get some training. And when we say training,
what we really mean is in an entire day or
an entire two or three days of dedicated training that
you will really improve and become a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right yeah, not just a familiarization, an actual training classes
where you're learning to shoot learning to do things that
you've not done before, which is a lot of it.
But you know, so you've got you know, you know,
classes here. But as you said, we encourage people to
go take classes and other places anywhere guns like Thunder Ranch,
sig Academy, somewhere. But at the same time, you're doing
a thing that you created. It's unique called the experiences
(21:52):
where people get to come in and try sometimes new
things where they actually can't even talk about the guns
they got.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
To show here, and we have a bunch of them
coming up next year.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh okay, all right when we come back, we'll talk
about that. Well, the ones you can talk about because
some of our secret sauce straight. That's some fun stuff.
Eight six six talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We'll
get you in here on cong gression.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
He's Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
This is gun talk. See if only we could just
talk about guns a while. Oh yeah, that's what we do.
If you could listen to the entire break. Sometimes we
had to do that right and just go okay, we're
just going to keep the mics open, yeah, and just
(22:34):
do the We'll do a video aspect of it while
we're doing the radio and people can watch what goes
on during the break.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I think we could do that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You think you have a place where we could do that.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
We just hit go on the button.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, it's this massive room we're in now with
all these cameras in it and everything else.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I don't know how it works, but we have people
who know how that works, people, and they're great.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We're talking about Arrange Ready Studios and gun Talk Media.
If you go to range Ready Studios, you'll see the
facility here shooting facility, but there's so much more to it.
There's offices, there's suite. We've got full time editors here.
I got a whole team of very talented people and
an amazing physical facility. Honestly, I don't think there's ever
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been anything like this in our world, in the firearms world,
where it's a combination training facility and offices and content
creation center that is nothing short of world class. You're
to be congratulated. You did all this and thanks. You
know it's and it was so easy.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes, what you want to do is you want to
buy an old slaughterhouse that's been abandoned for twelve years
and then.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Where you can see the sky through the roof.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, trend into your offices.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, nothing to that great vision. Have we mentioned that
the floor was kind of there were it was all concrete,
but some levels were higher than others because they had
to have big drains in it where all the blood
ran down and it poured out of the place. So
you had to fill in all that concrete. Yeah, you
got to experience.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You're trying to give me PTSD.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
That you got experienced those three magic words, the most
expensive words there are, might.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
As well, yeah, well as well. Hey, I felt like
I was on one of those renovation shows where they're like,
you want to come see this. We opened up a
wall and discovered something like oh.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
God, yeah, oh yeah, exactly right. So it's uh, you
know when we were doing our house after the fire,
and any given day, I'd come back to the house
and the guy working and I would do that finger
crooked things like boss. He says, uh, come over with
a boss, I need to show you something. But yeah,
this is not going to be good. Yeah. I like
the one the day he said, yeah, we found a
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snake inside your wall. Okay, good glad, you're ripping down.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
When we went to break we were talking about training, yes,
and the need for training.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
And.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I've kind of gotten to a new place lately. We're
always talking about the need for training and all this
and that, and sometimes I realize that people don't know
what the hell we're talking about when we say you
need to get some training, Like, yeah, yeah, I got
my chinsel carry right, That's not what I'm talking about.
And I say we all for training courses here, and
a lot of people who I know who are gun
owners say, oh, do you have concealed carry courses? No,
(25:06):
we don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Training is a word without a real clear definition from
the people.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, we don't do that. So they go, what do
you mean? Because probably people there's half of the people
listening to this know exactly what we're talking about because
they've been listening to you for decades and talking about
gun site and all these you know, thunder Ranch and
all these places. But half of them like guns, own guns,
thinking about getting a gun, And they go, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here? What we're talking about
(25:33):
is let's let's go to the end result. The goal
is you can draw. Let's let's just talk about handguns
for a second. You can draw a handgun from a
holster in a short amount of time and hit a
target at a reasonable distance, accurately, consistently. And so that's
(25:54):
what we're talking about. We're not talking about you learn
the laws and then you went out there and they
go everybody, look of your magazine or loads your gun
and all right, we're gonna just shoot you. Just take
your time, shoot your ten shots, and then we're gonna
move the target. That's not what we're talking about, guys.
We're talking about winning the day. And that's kind of
a little slogan that we've started using internally. Is is
(26:16):
winning the day? What do that means? Winning a fight
defensively or it could just mean for fun, like winning
in a competition on the weekend, shooting your guns, because
guns can be for fun, and I sometimes think that
we forget about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Good. Oh, it's so serious.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So it's so Sharoh you're hitting this. We're in the
back country for ELK and oh we had I was
on the streets of Detroit, Like, guys, guns are fun.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, shooting? Okay, guys, why we introduce people to it?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yes, but back to the training part. I'm the gun guy.
You're the gun guy. You meet somebody at a barbecue
or whatever. They're like, Oh, yeah, the gun guy. Oh,
I got a question for you. What do you think
I was thinking about getting a gun? I was thinking
about what gun should I get? And m hmm. I've
indulged that conversation a bunch and I've gotten to the
(27:03):
point now where I will tell someone it doesn't matter.
What do you mean it doesn't matter. I'm like, it
doesn't matter. I don't care. Go buy a gun, yea,
and then go get training, because you know what, the
best guitar players in the world could pick up any
guitar and play it. Eld John can sit down at
(27:25):
any piano at a freaking Honky Tonk and Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and you'll go, Wow, that guy's really good at piano.
It must be a great piano.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like, no, no, it's not. I get the same thing
with my photography. People say, oh, man, it's a great picture.
You must have a really good camera.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, well fifty years of being a professional photographer.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That too, right, And there's that right. I mean, Chris
Sono is good at shooting guns. He's kind of a
just good at he picks up.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Times and he's a savant he can do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah. Yes, and even his buddies would call him the
human ransom rest. He's just one of those guys that
we go Chris, is this gout on we hand it
to him. You know, it's shooting a little bit off.
I mean you can trust you know, when he pulls
the trigger and says it's a loose.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Vice, it really is.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
People get so wrapped up in what gun should I
get like there's a wrong answer. I mean, perhaps there
are better guns and worse. And it's a fun discussion,
and it's a fun discussion it is, But.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
To your first it's an unnecessary discussion and it actually
diverts you from the important thing, which is all guns
shoot pretty darn well.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, and if you're bad at shooting any gun, a
four thousand dollars gun isn't going to make you a
better shooter.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, you'll just be missing more expensively. You'll look good
doing it. You look good and your buddies are going, wow,
that's a really good gun.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
He can't shoot for beans.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
But it's just like guys, you know, I look, buying
guns is fun. I like guns, and guns can also
be encourage that and it can also be why I'm
not worried about that. I just like tom buy them,
and I like the mechanical parts of them, and all
that's cool. That's another way to enjoy guns. But as
far as if they're asking me, and usually this is
the question, what gun should I buy for protecting myself
(29:14):
and my family? Yes, for home defense or for concealed carry?
And it's like, I mean, I could give you. I
don't know. I could think of forty different guns that
are fine. They're all equally fine as long as you
go get training.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
There were three of us in this room an hour
ago with one, two, three, four, five pistols.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
On us right.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
None of them were the same, and all of them
would work just fine because all those three people can
really shoot and know what they're doing. Yeah, to your point,
let's take a quick break here, because I want to
expand on this as we get back, and if people
have some thoughts on it, they can also haul way
into this. The point of all this is when it
comes to self defense. Now it's time to get serious
(29:59):
about this stuff. All this is fun and all that,
but oh, you want to actually save your life and
save the lives of your wife, your daughter, your children,
your husband. You know you want to protect yourself. We
got to cut through the bs and not have to
be perfectly nice anymore. We're going to tell you what
really works, what you need to know when we come
back a little bit more of that.
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Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm over here at
them on the road today, Brett. For the next two weeks,
we'll be here at range Ready Studios down in Louisiana
a range Ready Studios dot Com. We're visiting with Ryan Gresham.
He is the well, he's the head guy over here,
the guy that runs that. He built it, he designed it,
he had the vision of it. And we're talking a
little bit about training. And you've heard me talk about
(33:03):
training for a long time. Yeah, I keep pushing it.
Not that I'm saying anybody should be required. We're not
talking about mandatory training, right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, I mean people will ask that, and that comes
up when we each state has these perminalists carry right, really, wait,
you're not going to have to have training to carry.
I mean my take is you shouldn't have to ask
the government permission to exercise or right. You should be
able to carry without a permit. You should not be
(33:32):
required to have training to exercise a right right now.
You should want to go get training because and you
will want.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
To once you fully understand what we're talking about, which
it goes back to your point of people don't know
what you mean when you say the word training, where
people will say, well, I've been shooting all my life.
How many times you've heard that?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Oh, man all the time, and it's like, oh, I shoot,
I shoot guns, and it's okay. You throw bullets into
a berm Okay, I have the target pretty good? Well,
what's pretty good?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And what's the target?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Earth?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, okay, And I said, I
was actually on the show last week. I said, look,
let's just come up with a real quick test. A
nine inch paper plate. Okay, let's put it out there
at fifteen yards. That's not very far with your carry
gun whatever it is. Can you put all the shots
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into a nine inch circle at fifteen yards? Take your time?
How much time you want, Oh, as much time as
you want, how much times you want. Most people cannot, right,
I will guarantee you most people cannot. Now let's put
a little pressure on you. Now, you've got five seconds
to put five shots in there. It's only one shot
per second. That's slow, right, right, real slow. Forget it
ain't happening, right, that's what we're talking. Now. You got
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to do it in half that amount of time. And
the gun's going to go empty in the middle of that.
And you need to reload your gun from the magazine
that you got on your belt.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
What and you all so should not be standing still?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh that's right, that's right. You need to get off
the actual you need to start moving one way or
the other. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We throw some drills up there on our social gun talk,
social range Ready studios socials, whether that's Facebook or Facebook
x Instagram. And one of them that Chris has been
challenging himself with different guns on is what they call
it the five five to five drill. So a five
(35:26):
inch circle that's the target at five yards in five
seconds five shots.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, five inches five yard five shots.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Five seconds five seconds. Five inches is kind of small.
Five yards feels pretty close fifteen feet.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It requires a lot of concentration, focus, and as I say,
it's easy to it's not hard to hit, but it's
easy to miss.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And I think the problem is we can throw out
drills and I'll caution you about going to instructors. There
are a lot of good instructors and good schools out there.
If you show up at one of these places and
you do a full day or two day or three
day class and all you do is run drills, and
they go, all right, we'll go, loads your bags, let's
shoot another drill. Let's go loads of bags, go shoot
(36:15):
more drills. And the instructor never tells you how to
get better. That's not good.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's not training, that's just you're just shooting.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's just it's fun, you know, it's kind of supervised shooting.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's a high round count experience, that's what it is.
And a lot of people go, well, I had a
great time over there. Okay, great, great time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And that could be fun. But you want somebody who's
gonna critique you and go, hey, you're taking too much time.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Shoot faster, right yeah, because if all your shots going
into one hole, you need to speed things up exactly,
because you know, I mean, I mean, I remember my wife,
your mom doing that at the class with Kay Mitchllick.
She's doing a class and Pat shooting and Kay comes
back behind her and Pat is just drilling, hammering the
(37:00):
bull's eye out of this paper. In case that's really good,
shoot faster basically because.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You can constructor is going to say, well that's a
pretty little group, but let's shoot faster and see if
you can still also have a pretty good group, right.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, because when it really goes down, you're going to
need to shoot faster. You are going to shoot fast,
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
And that's one of those things in the DEPI class
that you guys are going to be doing next week.
I'm looking for diagnostic pistol instructor. I mean, think about
the name of diagnostic pistol instructor. We're actually going to
be able to look at your target and tell you
what you're doing in your shooting to make the target
look like that, and then you can pass that along
to other people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know, this idea of shooting faster. It's one of
the things we saw when you created the first person
Fender show, when people drop in and you know, they
get attacked or something's going on, and they shoot. First
of all, we found they shoot all the end they
have in the gun. They shoot the gun dry.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Or or they shoot once. Really they go boom, and
then they put the gun down and they look around
like did I do good? You go, what what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
The guy is still coming at you. You still got
a knife.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's a that's a scar from too many movies and
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think, oh boy, you know, and we really do,
whether you know it or not, we all have these
scars that are bad from watching TV and movies and
we think that's how it's done. And honestly, about half
of what you're doing in these classes is getting rid
of some of that noise in there because you see
it on First Person Defender. And by the way, if
(38:31):
you haven't watched First Person Defender, you got to go
watch it. There's actually some really good eye opening training
going on there in terms in terms of what you
should do, what you shouldn't do, and how you should
think about this.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah. I mean, and if anybody listening has good experiences
bad experiences with taking training classes, we'd love to hear
from you, call in.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, exactly right. So eight to sixty six talk done?
Are Tom talk done? We're visiting with Ryan Gresham and
we're we're at Range Ready Studios. We've got a whole
bunch of cool guests lined up today. It's gonna be fun.
I hope you keep listen. All your buddies, tell them
to tune in because we're having fun. You know what
this is? Gun talk? Hey, welcome back. In a few minutes,
(39:14):
we're gonna be talking about accurate rifles. How do you
make a rifle accurate? Their secrets to it. We got
a guy who's gonna revealed maybe a couple of secrets.
They don't give away everything, you know that, right, It's
just the way it is. So we got Ryan Greshamir
Frank called in. He's in Carbon County, Montanna. Frank, you
got a point to make here, dive in please?
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Yes. Two points.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
First of all, in the whole training aspect, when we
shoot or I shoot, I always ask my shooting partner
or partners to acknowledge that they see the chamber is empty.
Not a nod of the head, not a smile, but
do you see the chamber is empty?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I do.
Speaker 9 (39:52):
And secondly, muscle memory, Well, when you go for the gun,
it has to be natural, it has to be part
of your hand and feel like an extension of the
of your body.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, Frank, I gotta go yes. But on this one, okay,
Because for the kind of training we're doing, we're running
hot ranges. Everybody's carrying a loaded gun everywhere all the time.
There's no unloaded guns anywhere. Every gun is loaded, every
gun is in a holster. So we're never showing an
empty chamber. We're never showing guns to other people. I
(40:26):
think that's stuff that comes out of competition where they
artificially require people to show, you know, show unloaded and
you know, show clear and unloaded, and to do all
that kind of Mickey mouse stuff, which I guess is
necessary maybe on a competition.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
When you have a bunch of different shooters and you
have a bunch of you have to kind of do
it that way, right, But when we're running off a
hot range, isn't that's what we do, and that's what
a lot of people do, like a gun side or
rus sig or whatever, and people are working out of
the holsters. You can you can run with the guns.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Loaded gun is a safe gun.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah. We also were telling people you can't handle your gun.
You can't take it out of your holster. You know.
No guns come out of the holsters until you're on
the line, you know, and then there's a time in
a way that you handle your firearms. It's just a
different mindset. And it's one of the things that I
found when we actually had some of our friends came
down here from Idaho with us, and they were a
(41:22):
little bit uncomfortable with a loaded gun with a loaded chamber,
all of that, And after two days of shooting it
ranged ready with Chris and Rob Latham, they were completely
comfortable carrying a loaded gun, a loaded chamber in the holster,
pulling it out and walk around with everybody. You just
have to be shown how to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, you have to do it the right way. Frank,
do you mean pistol shooting? Is that what you guys
are doing.
Speaker 9 (41:48):
We were doing time drills and there were multiple people,
and then when we finished our run, we showed that
the chamber was empty and then reholstered.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, okay, in that situation, I see what you're doing,
and that works. You do have to tailor for the
situation and what you were doing there, Frank, makes makes
some sense. But Yeah, to your point of the gun
has to feel natural, like part of your hand. I
have always said you need when you put your hand
on that pistol and it comes out of your holster,
it should feel as comfortable to you as the stick
(42:21):
shift in your car, which you never have to think
about handling.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah. And also, Frank, you're right. I mean I was
kind of saying it doesn't matter. I mean, I guess
what I meant by it doesn't matter when people ask
me about which gun should it be? Is as long
as it's as long as it fits you, right, because
I think the people rely on me or their gun buddy.
It's like, which gun do you like? Oh, well, I
really like glock or I really like m and ps
(42:45):
or whatever. That's cool, but you kind of have to
try out different things. The good part is we have
a lot of good guns. There's not a lot of
bad guns right out there, so you have a lot
of good choices.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I guess we did. Out on the internet, people expose
things that don't really work well, and there are very
few guns that are not good in these days. Now.
It may not be my preference, and that's one of
the things that's great. If you can go to a
shooting range where you could rint several different guns and
try different guns, especially with a instructor, you can try
different ones to go, yeah, that one just doesn't feel
good to be but that's one over here. I really
like it, you know. And if it really works for
(43:17):
you and it feels good in your hands and you
can shoot it, don't listen to the internet noise out there.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
If you like it and then shoot, you shoot it, well,
go for it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
That's really all it is. All right. When we come back,
we're gonna talk about rifles, making them shoot better. There
are some secrets also, maybe some behind the scenes secrets
to the Billbox Studio that Ryan you're shooting over here.
You're making some crazy guns, maybe even some maniacal guns.
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