December 1, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- How do top gunsmiths make rifles more accurate? Todd Bonura, of Maniacal Arms, gives up some of his secrets.
-- What makes Cerakote so good as a finish for gun?
-- Reaching way out for long range shooting.
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-- How do top gunsmiths make rifles more accurate? Todd Bonura, of Maniacal Arms, gives up some of his secrets.
-- What makes Cerakote so good as a finish for gun?
-- Reaching way out for long range shooting.
Gun Talk 12.01.24 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Chritz, you know, the fun part is that guns are
very practical and they just work, and they're supposed to
go bang and all of that. And at the same time,
they're very interesting and it could be works of art
and they can be like, holy cow, what is that?
I gotta go see that thing where I mean when
somebody pulls like some guys you just pull them out
of the case of people from all around the room
were at the range, go what was that? I gotta
(00:36):
go see what that thing is? Open your mics there, guys. Right,
I'm gonna let you introduce you buddy here because we
brought in a local expert who you've been featuring on Billbox.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, Todd BNERA welcome in man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm glad you'll man from Maniacal Arms.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
So yeah, Todd's with maniacal Arms and he's local to us.
But I mean a super skilled rifle builder, custom you know,
gunsmith's aerco guy, and it's just interesting because I think
that Todd, I say this all the time. There's so
many ways to enjoy guns, right absolutely. We were just
kind of going on a on a tangent about guns
(01:13):
for self defense and training. But in the middle of
that I interrupted and contradicted myself saying, but guns could
also just be for fun.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well absolutely, yeah, I mean it didn't always have to
be serious, right absolutely. I mean and because range time
and shooting, to a lot of people, that's a decompression
time too. It's time to get away, be with family, friends,
things like that. And uh, I think there's a lot
more to guns than just that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
It's like, do you guys only hunt, Well, yeah, but
that's their thing. Do you guys only competitive shoot? Yes?
They mix it up. You know, there's a lot of
there's aspects.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And there, and they're the people who want pretty guns,
custom guns. It's funny because I think custom guns have
always been a thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean it probably they were different, they were different.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, but I have had like a fine walnut Stock
rifle and the express sites and you're gonna take it
to Africa and that was your custom rifle back fifty
years ago, seventy years ago now, you got. I mean
during the break, Todd, You're bringing these guns out of
the cases and I'm going, oh my, heavenly days. What
is that These things are functional but also interesting and
(02:20):
gorgeous and interesting features you're putting on the sarahco jobs
you do, man, you are a master at the Sarah Coode.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I've been doing it about nine years now. Got it
figured out, Yes, sir, And I'm certified by Sarah Coote
as well. H's a important distinction.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, that's an important distinction because Sarah coot is like
this word that gun people use of, like, yeah, you
know it's it's Sarah codd like, but is it actually
Sarah coded?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Like saraho doesn't mean I painted it right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Rattle? Has that become generic?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
People are like, oh yeah, Sarah coated and like hold on,
like no, they know you cry al on it and
it has to be right exactly, and it has to
be by a certified Sarah code applicant. I've been out
there to Oregon and I mean they're serious about how they.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's a certain way to do it right.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yes, that's great, and you know, I guess like single
color stuff is you know, it's painting. I've also been
a painter in my whole life. Were own a paint company.
My wife still runs that. We've had it for thirty years.
But I've painted cars and trucks and boats and whatever
my whole life, Martin. And when you start getting into
(03:28):
the designs and the and the patterns on them, then
that's where the skill starts coming in. Because if you
do the layers wrong and you end up with edging
on all the colors, then you can feel the pattern
and that's not really correct, right, So you want it
to be kind of a seamless feel to everything too.
Sarah Coach's probably, in my opinion, one of the best
(03:49):
paint products I've ever messed with, because you're talking about
something that gives full coverage protection in a mill of thickness.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, that's the big thing you were telling me before,
or of like, because there's different things people can put
on guns. But why do you like Sarah Cooat so much?
Because the thickness it doesn't change other things of the gun.
When you're a rifle builder.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That matters absolutely absolutely, and you know there are some
bolt actions custom actions out there that you can't Sarah coat.
The inside of the action or the bolt because they
won't fit back together. Right, there's more the tighter tolerance
than two thousand, three thousands on them. But then there
are a bunch of them that you can you know,
most all the factory rifles you can Sarah coot at all.
(04:30):
And it's I've used it long enough now and seen
it perform to where I just have a lot of
faith in it. I don't like giving a customer something
that I don't believe in or I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sure, you know, I don't think is Sarah good protection
from weather from the elements, yes, sir, uh, pretty well?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Oh yeah. And there's different lines of it that are
better uvs, have better UV stability if you leave it
in the sun, stuff like that. But they, you know,
they have branched out across this whole.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I see there. As for the car stuff, automotive, all these.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Kinds of things. Now it's that ceramic technology that that's
going into all that. But you know, we do higher
performance engine parts. I got a set of headers at
my shop right now that'll get done next week. We
have a barbell sitting there. You know, that's a brand
new Barbelle. We're gonna do an LSU theme for a
guy on the bar. You know, we do fishing reels
(05:26):
for offshore.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh, I bet you that's great.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
How do people choose somebody who really knows what he's
doing or she's doing?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Putting on cerco I mean to start, I think the
Certified Applicator website is one of the better ways right
to find who's local to you.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Sarah Coach's website.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, Sarah Coach's website, you know, and then too, it's
just you know, if you know people that have stuff
done by companies, I think it's just like every other company.
If you have a local standing and following, then and
people trust your work and word of mouth. Yet word
of mouth, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Know, woulds had to talk about Billbox what you've had
Todd do?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So some wacky stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
We uh so. I mean, I think people listening to
this if you're not familiar. Buildbox is one of the
shows that we produce. It airs on the Outdoor channel
and then it also you can find it online, so
you can go to buildboxtv dot com. Actually you could
sign up for the giveaway. We've got this big old
giveaway going on now through the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And literally there's gonna be like one hundred winners.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
We all like leftovers. So what these are leftovers from Billbox?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well, there's some of that, right, We've got vices and
tools and and but we also have I think five
or six guns from the show in this season that
we're going to give away as well.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And Todd did some of the work on some of these.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But I mean so we kind of connected with Todd
because we just started going where's it, who's is there
a local guy that could help us out? And he
started doing more and more. And for Billbox, I'd like
to keep it mostly di y type projects for people to.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Watch and they go, oh, I could do that.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
It's kitchen table gunsmithy and I can swap out a
trigger or I could do you know, certain projects. But
when we when we want to kind of step it
up and show what's possible, we call you Todd.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, And I always feel challenged on that and I
like that though, because I feel like that that pushes me.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm just surprised you are still taking as calls.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And I know, well, tell me about great to me,
they tell them about the lever gun because the one
of the themes of this season of build Boxes, we
had viewers submit guns for us to work on, and
one of them was a Seares and Roebuck Lever gun.
And we got that thing in and we gave it
to you, Todd, and that was that was not a
(07:41):
just take it apart and.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Put it back together thing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
No, it was you know, because it was made for
Seers by Winchester, so it was very similar to a
model ninety four, but there were some variances in it
that were different.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And then when.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Chris ordered stocks for it, you know, hardware, they didn't
exactly fit like they needed to per Winchester ninety four,
so we had to modify.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's when your guns with the skills come out, right.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, that's when you do a little bit of the
extra stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The chisel comes out the fittment.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
No, if I do it, it's a chisel, Todd does it.
It's it's fine work.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little fine scraper. But yeah, that
was a nice build.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And you know, we were missing a screw in it
when it came in and screws and I said, and
I told my guy your shop, I was like, man,
go in, I have a safe in the back. That's
my personal stuff. I said, go in there and pull
my ninety four out and if that screw fits in it,
make sure we can order another one for mine and
we'll just work, you know, and it'll come in later.
And when I got back with it, Chris was like, oh,
what you got that screw? And I'm like I had
(08:44):
one on hand to sound cool.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Cannibalize your own gun.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, anything for the show, right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
But it was funny because I mean the guy said,
do it whatever you want. This is a gun we use,
we hunt with. It's not a wall hanger. So Todd
Sarah coated it and we just made a lot of
things right on it. I think the sites were kind
of they.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Were broken, broken, kind of welded and grinded back down
and you know, so we replaced that kind of stuff
and then.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's the kind of thing a good gun smith can
do well.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And it was you know, it was it had seen
us better days too. I mean that gun was pretty
rough when we got it. So, uh, you know, he
seemed to be happy on the revealer. He was really happy.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yeah, And you know, I want to talk about custom rifle.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Bill. Let's hold that thought. I got to take a
break or come back on. Talk about custom rifles and
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but they shoot like gangbusters. You want to find out
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Speaker 2 (12:01):
Way too much fun we have during the break here
we've got Ryan Greshamir and Ryan. If you would kick
us off with Todd because we were talking about rifles
and twins and what happens here you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Take the trends EBB and flow right.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Absolutely, yes, So we're talking about shorter barrel rifles.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is that something you're seeing that lately? Huh?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Even we do a lot of just barrel threading on
factory rifles for guys, right because now with the way
the suppressors have been easier to get, there's been a
real high volume of people buying them, so more people
have them. Instead of going to buy a new rifle
that comes threaded, we can thread your factory rifle for you.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Is there a chance of somebody brings you their old,
old Trustee rifle and the barrel's not thick enough.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
To thread it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot, but it happens
where we can't get to maybe the thread designation that
there can has like say a five eighths by twenty four,
we have to do it at nine sixteen's twenty four. Well,
we have bushings that.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Will put on adapter kind of deal.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, just a bushing that goes on has a shoulder
on it. Le's the can because for can you should
have sixty or seventy thousands of shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But I got to ask you. You said, the trend
is people want shorter vessels, so now they're going to
take there.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And we're not talking about like a ten inch barrel.
We're not talking about SBR shut out, but like a
bolt gun instead of being a twenty two or twenty
four inch barrel.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Right, twenty three twenty four is pretty typical, right for
most hunting rifles and such calibers. And I've had a
guy come in with a WS a twenty seventy WSM
and he requested it to be seventeen inches, and.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Now it's actually a two seventy Winchester or less because
of less losty loss.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It would be less.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
How much philocoity is someone losing like per inch on
a barrel, maybe thirty to forty.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Fifty even fifty, Yeah, depends on the car. It could
be per in. So if you lop off six or
eight inches, you've gone from a magnum to a standard cartrig.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, you're you're down four hundred.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You've given up the advantage that you paid to get,
and you pay every time you have a round of ammunition.
You're giving it all up and You're sure blowing a
lot of powder and blast out there with that shorter barrel. Right,
So why are they doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well for suppressor length Because they buy a suppressor that's
nine or ten inches long, and then you add that
to a twenty four inch barrel. Now you have a
you know, a thirty three inch barrel on this gun.
It starts to become like a fishing pole.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It is pretty long, it is it is.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Is it not possible to actually take the suppressor off
the rifle?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean it wasn't screw it.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Right, yeah right, I mean, and I've even I don't
tell customers that, but I've told friends that, you know,
just put in your bag and when you get to
the stand, screw it on or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know. Hunting, Well, what.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
If I see a deer when I'm walking into the stand,
I said.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, shoot it?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And I mean simple answer.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Well, and you know, there is a little bit of
impact difference shift of impact from a suppressor versus non
but most of the time it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
If you're seeing abot one hundred yards, it's not gonna matter, I.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Don't think, yeah, right, And if he's at four hundred yards,
maybe you have time to put the suppressor on here maybe, yeah,
absolutely more than likely.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah right, So all right, so you got all these
gorgeous rifles here and you build the stuff for billbox.
What makes first of all, how accurate to a rifle
will be? And how do you make a rifle accurate?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
What's the what's the expectation for accuracy?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know? I think so industry wise, I feel like
sub m a is what everybody, you know, especially thirty
caliber or bigger, is always going to be. Yeah, one inch,
one hundred yards. I feel like the smaller, the six
fives and stuff like that should probably fall into half.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So what are your right was doing? I mean, it's okay,
you can brag it's our.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So you know, it depends on the cartridge too, because
if someone is all has only the option of running
factory AMMO, then obviously the AMMO is going to play
a big part into the accuracy of the rifle. We
see a lot of times with some ammos, the PRC lines,
especially some of the nozzlar stuff. Factory ammo, we're getting
(16:29):
well under half out of a lot of guns. Sometimes
just racket holes at a hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Got that blue and over there laying on the ground
over there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
One hole, one hole, but that's what handloads. Yeah, yeah,
one one hole ten shot group and one.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Hundred ten shots had the same hole pretty much, yes,
And he says that like that ain't a big thing.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, you know, this is funny that you bring that up,
because me and one of my best friends that I've
hunted with for years and we handload. He actually started
teaching me to handload twenty years ago. We still shoot
together all the time. My range where I test all
my rifles is at his house. We have a five
hundred yards, which here in Louisiana, southern Louisiana, that's a
long range here, right. And the big thing that I've
(17:12):
kind of learned now is I'm not as so focused.
For a long time, we always wanted these little clover
leaf groups at one hundred because that was what we
wanted to see in print paper and it just looks good, right,
But back then we didn't have an opportunity to test
it out at five hundred, right, to see is that
group or is that load still holding up at that distance.
(17:35):
So now our focus on our especially on our handloading,
especially for hunting rifles, is we wanted, you know, half
inch or better at one hundred, but we wanted to
hold half inch ma at five hundred two, you know,
and if it doesn't, then we don't feel like we're
on the right recipe right there.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Because that at that point other things start happening. Is that,
you know, here's the bullet stabilized. You know, Uh, is
the load really consistent, because you could be you can
have two different loads that they're shooting a half an
inch at one hundred yards but not necessarily a half
moa at five hundred right right, that's correct, Yes, And
now we get into the science of handloading, and that's
(18:15):
a whole different world altogether, right there.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, And you know, that's one of my first questions
when guys come to me to have a custom rifle built. Well,
that's that's the first thing I ask, because most of
the time it's like a seventy percent kind of know
the caliber they want, and then sometimes they kind of
want a suggestion for me on what to build.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Right Well, I was going to ask you that if
somebody said, I don't really reload, I don't handload, and
I don't I'm not married to a particular cartridge. Is
there a cartridge or a couple of different ones that
you recommend. They say there's a lot of good AMMO available,
or it's just inherently accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, we do have some inherently accurate cartridges. You know.
The creed More has been become very famous. It's it
is very accurate cartridge. I don't know that I agree
with all the loadings that they do for it for
deer hunting and stuff. I feel like they're too heavy
of bullets for that.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You like light golet's going faster for that.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For the creed More, for sure. You know, I have
one I bring whenever we bring kids hunting, and it's
a heavy barreled creed More doesn't have any recall to it,
and I run one fifteen, one seventeen in it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
What about the PRC I like them. I mean, they're
they're pretty much that's an accuracy cartridge.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It is it is they they when guys asked me
to build them, I'm really happy to because I know
if they shoot Precision Hunter or match Amo from Hornerity,
they're gonna they're gonna be in that what we're just
talking about that half inch below half inch even on
the three hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
They'll be happy.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I got guys that are shooting two shots touch like
echine of quarter groups at five hundred with any of
those PRC loadings. If we start with good components, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, wow, are there any particular cartridges you're seeing lately
that are kind of hot or.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean the you know, Horneredy is such a great
marketing company as well, you know, they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
They're they're but but they're also turned out good product.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They do and that and that's why, and that's what
I think helps their marketing is that they're not just
bs and everybody that actually do put out a quality thing.
So the PRC line, I feel like has been the
past couple of years has been really really big because
they've kind of spaced it out a little bit too.
You know, they had the six five, and then a
year or so later they came out to three hundred,
and then a year so later they came out to seven.
(20:39):
My favorite of those is the three hundred. I just
like thirty cal. I mean, I can't say I just
like thirty caliber, but I just I've just seen them
shoot real good and I think.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
These so too.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, so many bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You've got a lot of match bullets for three. Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And you know, like earlier, mister Tom, you had mentioned,
you know about like weights and things like that of bullets,
and I feel like a lot of times guys will
when you build a custom rifle for somebody, that's one
of my questions is, well, what bullets are you going
to shoot?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Because we want to make sure that the twist rate
of their barrel is conducive to that bullet. Because if
you give a guy a thirty cow with a nine
twist on it and he tries to shoot one thirties
out of it, it's obviously not going to work out
as good.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And that's the point of having a custom rifle built.
It's custom. It's not just we pick the colors. You're
optimizing it to shoot the right way with the m
O and the bullet and all that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
How do people find out more about maniacal arms.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Maniacal arms dot com. We have maniacal arms Facebook, maniacal
underscore arms on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Okay, so yeah, you're all over social media.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Trying to be I'm not good at it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But Michael arms dot com. Also you can see these
things on billbox.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, watch bill box you'll see what Todd does.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Check out bill Box Magic running on Outdoor Channel. It
is gorgeous stuff. It is really to thank you so
much for joining us. Yeah, absolutely, this is fun, you know,
thank you for having If we had another hour, we
keep talking about guns. Oh wait, that's what we do
around here, isn't it. Well, we appreciate it all, sir,
Thank you all for having me. Absolutely. All right, if
(22:10):
you want to join us eight six six Talk Gun
we'll get you in there. Timetime Gresham joined by Ryan
Gresham today here on Gun Talk. I guess we got
to keep doing this thing because we're we're having too
much fun talking with Todd. We're trying to get him
out the door. We're looking at his guns. We're talking
about long range shooting and three hundred norma. Yeah, Norman,
(22:32):
he shooting stuff. He says, oh yeah, hitting a mile.
Everybody wants to hit it a mile now right, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I mean, and it's like, build me a gun so
I could hit it a mile. Well, can you shoot
a mile?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah? The gun that do this well? And we would
talk about he was shooting at something like two twenty
two hundred yards, yeah, a mile and a half. Whatever
you know, and we're talking about literally, a change in
the wind by one mile an hour will make you
miss a three by three.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Front target you're off yards, yes, yeah, the drop is
seventy feet or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you know, if you're flinging bullets out there and
you get a hit, you go, I hit it. I'm
write that down. Okay, that's fine, and you know what,
and that's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
But I will say I've done that. I've hit a
target at a mile. You really have unless you do it
all the time. You have to have somebody calling your
shot for you and helping you because they know what
to look for and they know what to see.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You're just kind of like trying to not.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Screw it up. And yeah, you're the trigger puller.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Put a good trigger press on it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's talk about triggers for a second.
The you know, we do talk about it a good
bit under the heading of it applies for everything people
worry about the wrong things. People are thinking about site
site site site sites. And the reality is, and I'm thinking, now,
let's go back to pistol shooting out here. Uh, they're
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trying to get that the sites just perfect and get
that trigger yanke it just when it goes, you know,
just at the perfect time.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and there is a certainly
so you know, put a good trigger press on it.
But it's probably one of the ways that people screw
up the most, and it's one of the easiest things
to fix. Really, I mean, it's more important than your stance.
It's probably more important than your grip. I mean, your
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sight's and your trigger press. If your sights are on
target and you press the trigger without messing up the sights,
you can get away with a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yes, yes, oh yeah, Well Chris demonstrates that out here
standing on one foot with a gun upside down, pulling
the trigger with a pinky right exactly, and he's hitting
the target and you're going, how do you do that?
Just sight's on target and you put a good trigger
press on. Basically, you pulled the trigger without disturbing the sights.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's all you have to do.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
And then there's other things, right, I mean, once you
get past that, that could be a slow fire figuring
this thing out. But then there's other things and I'll
oh boy, I'm gonna upset everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So you like that though, trigger reset?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh geez, here we go.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So people go, oh, trigger reset. You gotta feel that reset.
You got to hear that click, that audible click. No,
if you're hearing the audible click, you're doing it wrong.
You need to be resetting and then pressing the trigger
in recoil while you're still, while they're still the gun
is still going.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Boom, actually pressing the trigger during the recoil.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
What do you mean again, because okay, well we'll talk
through this right. You press the trigger, the sites are
on target, you're pressing, you're pressing, you're pressing. The gun
goes off, the gun recoils, it goes up a little
bit in a pistol. As that's happening, you should not
keep your finger pinned back, let the site settle, and
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then reset the trigger and then start pressing the trigger
again to shoot a second time. What you should be
doing if you want to shoot fast and this will
actually act actually help with accuracy, what you should be
doing is sites are on target, your press, press, press
the trigger.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Boom, gun goes off and recoil.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You release the trigger finger and you get back to
the wall.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you're actually pressing the trigger back while you're coming
down from recoil until you hit that pressure.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Wall, pressure wall, and as the sites settle, you press
it again and you go boom boom boom, boom boom.
And you can do that very quickly when you learn
the trigger, you learn the pressure wall and where that is.
So many people were told don't touch the trigger until
you unless you're intending to shoot the gun. And I
mean a lot of cops are told that, and they're
trained that way. Don't you even put your finger on
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that trigger unless you're gonna shoot the gun. Well, you
have to be able to touch the trigger without the
gun going off if you're going to be a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Right, No, exactly right. And that is one of the
things that the top shooters do is they have completely recover.
As they're coming back down from recoil, they are ready
to shoot again. Not like I'm ready to pull the
trigger again. They've already pulled the trigger all the way
back to that pressure wall and the trigger and all
they need is that last one pound of pressure to
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make it go off. Just as the sites get to
the target goes off again, and they do it over
and over again, that's how they shoot so quickly.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And if you practice and you get training, and you're
going to learn this training, and people will say, well,
that's unsafe. You know what, It's okay. You can actually
do that. Sites are back on target on bad guy
and bad guy is down on the ground or he's
run away.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You don't have to shoot.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
You don't have to continue to pull the trigger, right,
you can save it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
If you're against the pressure wall. Yeah, you do not
have to shoot, correct, Yeah, exactly. Hey, let's take a
call here. We got Scott calling in from Jackson, Missouri. Hey,
it's got welcome to gun Talk. What you got here? Hey?
Speaker 10 (27:53):
Tom? Range report good. I've always wanted one, and I've
finally got to choire one. A Ruger Red Super Red
Hawk seven and a half inch barrel, stainless and UH
forty four. Took it out and shot it, shot very
good with it with iron sights. But I ordered me
a BURSE two B twenty stainless scope to go with it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right.
Speaker 10 (28:17):
I wonder if you had any any knowledge of them?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, those seems suck a horrible and that I will
take it off your hands for half of what you
paid for it.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
Oh no, no, I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Ryan's gone. That doesn't work, you know that, right.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
I don't think Scott's gonna fall for that. That's awesome, So,
uh are you gonna hunt with it? Is that the thinking?
Speaker 10 (28:40):
That's that's once I get a little practicing, a little
training with it. Yeah, that's that's my plan.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
I need a lot of work, a lot of work
practice on the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
But that's fun. I mean that you said a lot
of work. The other thing is, of course, with the
forty four Magnum Man, you could either load up your
own AMO to have reduced loads or get forty four
special to shoot in there, and you can get a
lot of trigger time in and trying to work on
your technique orout recoil beating you up so much because look,
forty four magnums are great, but the reality is they're
(29:13):
not that much fun to shoot a lot of snappy recoil. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
I was really surprised how how scarce those guns are.
I mean, I know they're still in productions, but people
don't let go of them very much.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So well, they don't let go of them because they're
just that good.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And those are built tank, super red, hot quick.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They are built like a tank. I mean, as long
as you're using factory ambo, you'll never have to worry
about the strength of that gun, and you'll have that
thing forever. I mean, you're scaff so much fun with that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Seven half inch barrel too.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
If you run out of AMMO as the bear is
charging you, you can bludgeon the bear to death with
that thing.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
No bears where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So there you go. Hey, congratulations, Scott, you got a
good one there by Bye, Thank you. You take care.
Let's see what quick break here? Bill about going to
where we got to take our break. We'll come back.
We're talking Jim One Carby nobody anyways, tim One Carby.
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Speaker 2 (30:07):
Some guns can be fun. We'll be right back with
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Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right, we're back, Gret you. We are live from Well,
are on the road, but we're actually in the mother
ship over here at gun Talk Central in Range Ready
Studios and Louisiana. Check it out Rangeradystudios dot com. Have
a lot of classes being taught here, a lot of
the Yeah, we never even got the experiences. We'll do that.
A second after we talked to Bill, Bill called in
out of North Carolina. Bill, you're on gun Talk. What
(32:58):
is this about an M one?
Speaker 14 (33:01):
My dad was a World War Two VET and he
carried one of those, and I'm interested in possibly acquiring one.
I know that there are companies making brand new, modern
versions and then you can go out in the marketplace
and buy an older one. And I'm not sure what
the advantages or disadvantagers of doing either choice.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, the advantage for getting the older one is you
get a real one, kind of like your dad had,
and they're cool and they're historic, and honestly, if you
can find one you like, there's no reason not to.
That work just as well as the new ones. Obviously,
with the new one you get a new one, but
it sounds to me like you probably would be more
(33:43):
interested in the authentic real one, and I would probably
pick up a used one, okay.
Speaker 14 (33:51):
And the other question is, my son is a hunter.
He mainly does bow hunting, but he's licensed for bear.
Oftentimes bear come across him, and he's considering getting a
pistol to protect himselves in case he needs it. What
kind of pistol do you recommend for that type of hunting?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And we're talking black bears here.
Speaker 14 (34:16):
Right, correct?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Black bear?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Okay, Ryan, you want to tackle that?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I mean probably probably he needs to call her
a previous caller and do a trade for the super redhawk.
I mean, well, that'd be too big for carrying, maybe,
but I mean smaller, but a smaller. You know, something
that's a revolver is great because it's simple, very simple,
and you can operate one handed. One of the great
(34:41):
things about a revolver is you're not dependent on the
shooter to run the gun. A semi auto and a
shooter can induce some malfunction, especially one handed shooting or
awkward positions, so a revolver is great for that and
probably something you know, you could be forty four mag
forty four special, could be three fifty seven mad with
good ammo. That'd be the important thing is.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
To forty one magnum. If you can find one, they're
cool to.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, And if he's more comfortable with the semiauto, that's
fine too, but I think good bullets and uh. And
then just the other part would be making lots of
noise in the woods. That's the you know, if you're
archery hunting, you want to make lots of noise. That
way you won't see bears or deer or dear.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Yeah, like the winds. So are there are there any
particular brands that are following that revolver category that are recommended.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We're so lucky that I got a lot of Smith
and Wesson makes good ones, Ruger makes good ones. Also,
Taurus and ROSSI are making some good revolvers. And probably
if he's going to be carrying it, I would opt
for something a little bit smaller. I kind of lean towards.
I'm talking myself into either the forty four magnum because
(35:53):
you can practice with the forty four specials, or thirty
to fifty seven magnum. You can practice with thirty eight
specials because that smaller, shorter barrel, lighter weight revolver that's
easier to carry, is not going to be as fun
to shoot with the heavy magnum loads that you want
for bear. So for practice shooting, shooting some lighter loads
will make the practicing more fun.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And I'm thinking three or four inch barrel, probably no
more than that, probably with a chest rig. So you've
got the gun on your chest. The only problem here
you gotta be careful because if you're shooting a bow,
if that revolver, pistol whatever it is, gets in the
way up the string, you're going to have a rodeo
(36:37):
and a half when that stink string flies out there
and grabs that pistol, and now you got arrow, gun
and everything else lying across the country.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And build one more thing.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
If you do go the revolver out, and this is
for bear protection, do not cock the hammer on that ever, ever,
ever practice with it double action, just pull the trigger
and shoot the gun, because that's how you're going to
really shoot it if there's a bear climbing up the tree.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Excellent point.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Great, thank you for the advice, you Bet, thanks for
the call.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And you know you mentioned shooting double action. I've kind
of gotten a term that I've come up with trying
to describe to people how to pull because a lot
of people want to shoot their revolver double action, and
they pull it back and pull it back and pull
it that, and then they get it just they want
to have that hammer come all the way back and
then stop, so they're kind of doing a quasi single
action pull. And I use the term sweep. Just sweep
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the trigger back once it starts to shoot all the
way back, just sweep it back, and you'll find that
you can actually be a lot more accurate than you
think you can if you just keep the sights on
the target and sweep that trigger back rather than trying
to again time the perfect time for it to go off.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I asked Jerry Mitchellick about this. You're timing the prepping
the trigger, prepping the hammer on a revolver okay, and
he immediately said, no, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
What's email about it?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
What the hell's that guy?
Speaker 12 (38:05):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:05):
World record holder best revolver shooter ever guy.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, we might listen to them, Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
He said, it'll conduce.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
You can induce malfunctions because it's a short stroke it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You can just sweep it back, get it, I mean,
get it can.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Actually induce flinching too, So just pull the trigger and
keep the sites on target until.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It goes off. Yeah, no, exactly right. So I mean,
there it is. We've got to take a break in
just a second here. You know, we never got to
the whole experiences thing and talk about what those are,
and I want to talk about that when we come back.
It's a concept that you came up with, Ryan, and
you do to hear it range Ready Studios. I would
encourage people to go to arrange ready studios dot com
and also to sign up because a lot of these classes,
(38:47):
if you're on the newsletter list, you hear about it
before they actually make the website. That's the secret, and
a lot of them set out before they hit the website,
and the only way you're going to know or be
able to take advantage of them. Is to be on
the list. There are some list it's good to be on.
Be back in just a second. And naturally Jim and
(39:13):
Ryan are both online looking up M one carbings right now.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And now the M two carb fol auto.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Oh yes, yeah, just because right yes, oh quit quit,
get off the internet.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
You're gonna spend money right here. Oh all right, let's
we forget it again. We want to talk about these experiences,
this concept you create. What is this?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
So the idea is we work with so many different
gun companies and optics and everything else in the gun
world that we said, why don't we give our audience
the chance to do what we do. We get invited
by Smith and Wesson or Ruger or SIGs Hour to
go to a media event and we get to shoot
the new guns for two or three days with a
(39:58):
trainer and have a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
How they introduced new products, how.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Exactly these media events we go to.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
So we're working with companies where it'll be the We
just hosted the Cult Python Experience a couple months ago,
and so when the students show up, everybody has a
Cult Python sitting there in front of them. They've got
a holster from Galco. All of the AMMO is provided
by Federals.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's all they get to be a gun writer.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
They get they come in and you know, they pay
for the class and the experience and all that stuff.
They also a lot of times take home this stuff.
So like in that example, they took home that cult
Python and the correct correct. So we're gonna we have
some amazing ones set up for the spring that have
not been released yet. So that and you mentioned it
(40:48):
going under the break go to rangereadystudios dot com. Sign
up for the email list. I had a guy email
me this morning and said, yeah, sign up for the
email list, but I hadn't heard anything yet. That's because
we haven't released those classes yet. So we're going to
be released people with lots of email on this. No no,
But when we do release new classes, those folks are
(41:09):
the first ones to get notified about.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
It, and a lot of times they do sell out.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I wouldn't cogitate about it for too long. If
you think you're interested, just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Yeah, we've got some really neat ones. I'll tease it.
We have We'll have a pistol class in February that
everyone will be using a brand new pistol that has
not been released yet. Really, yes, so this is going
to be a big deal, big launch coming up and
(41:40):
you guys will everybody will be using that and getting
one in the price of the class.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We also have another one in March that.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Ah, shall we say the craze of high end twenty
eleven's is a big deal these days, the double stack
nineteen elevens, and so we're going to have an experience
coming up with that which is going to be really cool.
And I'll just go ahead and tell you you don't
(42:09):
need all of these guns. Sell a couple and get
some really nice guns, okay, because this is like you
picked a gun up like that and you go, oh my, yes,
you think, oh, I didn't realize it could be like this.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's so true, and that's happened to be like two
or three times you pick up a certain gun you go, oh,
I had no idea that a really finally made double
barrel shotgun and felt like this right right, It's like
it's completely.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Different, and you're immediate if you're a gun nerd like
you or I and people listening who go I've got
so many guns. Oh my gosh, you're willing to sell
a couple and go, I want to sell three or four?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
To get one, Yes, to.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Get one that's like this because when I pick it up,
it makes me smile every time. And it's special, and
it's special. Any buddies are probably not going to have it.
But the other part of it is and they also
shoot like gangbusters.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Oh yeah, they'll Yeah, they're almost good enough to make
you a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Almost almost good enough. But that and the class at
the experience, that's it. You're gonna come away a better
shooter and with a good guy.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah, So sign up for the emails range Ready Studios dot.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Com, rains radistudios dot com. There you go. Any Also,
you get to come down here and check out this
incredible place that you have built. You might even pick
up a little bit of losing food on the way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
We're known for that.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, no kid, And sometimes it even shows up in
the classroom during the middle of one of these experiences.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yes, cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Chritz, you know, the fun part is that guns are
very practical and they just work, and they're supposed to
go bang and all of that. And at the same time,
they're very interesting and it could be works of art
and they can be like, holy cow, what is that?
I gotta go see that thing where I mean when
somebody pulls like some guys you just pull them out
of the case of people from all around the room
were at the range, go what was that? I gotta
(00:36):
go see what that thing is? Open your mics there, guys. Right,
I'm gonna let you introduce you buddy here because we
brought in a local expert who you've been featuring on Billbox.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, Todd BNERA welcome in man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm glad you'll man from Maniacal Arms.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
So yeah, Todd's with maniacal Arms and he's local to us.
But I mean a super skilled rifle builder, custom you know,
gunsmith's aerco guy, and it's just interesting because I think
that Todd, I say this all the time. There's so
many ways to enjoy guns, right absolutely. We were just
kind of going on a on a tangent about guns
(01:13):
for self defense and training. But in the middle of
that I interrupted and contradicted myself saying, but guns could
also just be for fun.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well absolutely, yeah, I mean it didn't always have to
be serious, right absolutely. I mean and because range time
and shooting, to a lot of people, that's a decompression
time too. It's time to get away, be with family, friends,
things like that. And uh, I think there's a lot
more to guns than just that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
It's like, do you guys only hunt, Well, yeah, but
that's their thing. Do you guys only competitive shoot? Yes?
They mix it up. You know, there's a lot of
there's aspects.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And there, and they're the people who want pretty guns,
custom guns. It's funny because I think custom guns have
always been a thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean it probably they were different, they were different.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, but I have had like a fine walnut Stock
rifle and the express sites and you're gonna take it
to Africa and that was your custom rifle back fifty
years ago, seventy years ago now, you got. I mean
during the break, Todd, You're bringing these guns out of
the cases and I'm going, oh my, heavenly days. What
is that These things are functional but also interesting and
(02:20):
gorgeous and interesting features you're putting on the sarahco jobs
you do, man, you are a master at the Sarah Coode.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I've been doing it about nine years now. Got it
figured out, Yes, sir, And I'm certified by Sarah Coote
as well. H's a important distinction.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, that's an important distinction because Sarah coot is like
this word that gun people use of, like, yeah, you
know it's it's Sarah codd like, but is it actually
Sarah coded?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Like saraho doesn't mean I painted it right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Rattle? Has that become generic?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
People are like, oh yeah, Sarah coated and like hold on,
like no, they know you cry al on it and
it has to be right exactly, and it has to
be by a certified Sarah code applicant. I've been out
there to Oregon and I mean they're serious about how they.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's a certain way to do it right.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yes, that's great, and you know, I guess like single
color stuff is you know, it's painting. I've also been
a painter in my whole life. Were own a paint company.
My wife still runs that. We've had it for thirty years.
But I've painted cars and trucks and boats and whatever
my whole life, Martin. And when you start getting into
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the designs and the and the patterns on them, then
that's where the skill starts coming in. Because if you
do the layers wrong and you end up with edging
on all the colors, then you can feel the pattern
and that's not really correct, right, So you want it
to be kind of a seamless feel to everything too.
Sarah Coach's probably, in my opinion, one of the best
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paint products I've ever messed with, because you're talking about
something that gives full coverage protection in a mill of thickness.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, that's the big thing you were telling me before,
or of like, because there's different things people can put
on guns. But why do you like Sarah Cooat so much?
Because the thickness it doesn't change other things of the gun.
When you're a rifle builder.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That matters absolutely absolutely, and you know there are some
bolt actions custom actions out there that you can't Sarah coat.
The inside of the action or the bolt because they
won't fit back together. Right, there's more the tighter tolerance
than two thousand, three thousands on them. But then there
are a bunch of them that you can you know,
most all the factory rifles you can Sarah coot at all.
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And it's I've used it long enough now and seen
it perform to where I just have a lot of
faith in it. I don't like giving a customer something
that I don't believe in or I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sure, you know, I don't think is Sarah good protection
from weather from the elements, yes, sir, uh, pretty well?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Oh yeah. And there's different lines of it that are
better uvs, have better UV stability if you leave it
in the sun, stuff like that. But they, you know,
they have branched out across this whole.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I see there. As for the car stuff, automotive, all these.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Kinds of things. Now it's that ceramic technology that that's
going into all that. But you know, we do higher
performance engine parts. I got a set of headers at
my shop right now that'll get done next week. We
have a barbell sitting there. You know, that's a brand
new Barbelle. We're gonna do an LSU theme for a
guy on the bar. You know, we do fishing reels
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for offshore.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh, I bet you that's great.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
How do people choose somebody who really knows what he's
doing or she's doing?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Putting on cerco I mean to start, I think the
Certified Applicator website is one of the better ways right
to find who's local to you.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Sarah Coach's website.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, Sarah Coach's website, you know, and then too, it's
just you know, if you know people that have stuff
done by companies, I think it's just like every other company.
If you have a local standing and following, then and
people trust your work and word of mouth. Yet word
of mouth, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Know, woulds had to talk about Billbox what you've had
Todd do?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So some wacky stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
We uh so. I mean, I think people listening to
this if you're not familiar. Buildbox is one of the
shows that we produce. It airs on the Outdoor channel
and then it also you can find it online, so
you can go to buildboxtv dot com. Actually you could
sign up for the giveaway. We've got this big old
giveaway going on now through the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And literally there's gonna be like one hundred winners.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
We all like leftovers. So what these are leftovers from Billbox?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well, there's some of that, right, We've got vices and
tools and and but we also have I think five
or six guns from the show in this season that
we're going to give away as well.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And Todd did some of the work on some of these.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
But I mean so we kind of connected with Todd
because we just started going where's it, who's is there
a local guy that could help us out? And he
started doing more and more. And for Billbox, I'd like
to keep it mostly di y type projects for people to.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Watch and they go, oh, I could do that.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
It's kitchen table gunsmithy and I can swap out a
trigger or I could do you know, certain projects. But
when we when we want to kind of step it
up and show what's possible, we call you Todd.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, And I always feel challenged on that and I
like that though, because I feel like that that pushes me.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm just surprised you are still taking as calls.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And I know, well, tell me about great to me,
they tell them about the lever gun because the one
of the themes of this season of build Boxes, we
had viewers submit guns for us to work on, and
one of them was a Seares and Roebuck Lever gun.
And we got that thing in and we gave it
to you, Todd, and that was that was not a
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just take it apart and.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Put it back together thing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
No, it was you know, because it was made for
Seers by Winchester, so it was very similar to a
model ninety four, but there were some variances in it
that were different.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And then when.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Chris ordered stocks for it, you know, hardware, they didn't
exactly fit like they needed to per Winchester ninety four,
so we had to modify.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's when your guns with the skills come out, right.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, that's when you do a little bit of the
extra stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The chisel comes out the fittment.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
No, if I do it, it's a chisel, Todd does it.
It's it's fine work.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little fine scraper. But yeah, that
was a nice build.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And you know, we were missing a screw in it
when it came in and screws and I said, and
I told my guy your shop, I was like, man,
go in, I have a safe in the back. That's
my personal stuff. I said, go in there and pull
my ninety four out and if that screw fits in it,
make sure we can order another one for mine and
we'll just work, you know, and it'll come in later.
And when I got back with it, Chris was like, oh,
what you got that screw? And I'm like I had
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one on hand to sound cool.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Cannibalize your own gun.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, anything for the show, right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
But it was funny because I mean the guy said,
do it whatever you want. This is a gun we use,
we hunt with. It's not a wall hanger. So Todd
Sarah coated it and we just made a lot of
things right on it. I think the sites were kind
of they.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Were broken, broken, kind of welded and grinded back down
and you know, so we replaced that kind of stuff
and then.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's the kind of thing a good gun smith can
do well.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And it was you know, it was it had seen
us better days too. I mean that gun was pretty
rough when we got it. So, uh, you know, he
seemed to be happy on the revealer. He was really happy.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yeah, And you know, I want to talk about custom rifle.
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Speaker 2 (12:01):
Way too much fun we have during the break here
we've got Ryan Greshamir and Ryan. If you would kick
us off with Todd because we were talking about rifles
and twins and what happens here you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Take the trends EBB and flow right.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Absolutely, yes, So we're talking about shorter barrel rifles.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is that something you're seeing that lately? Huh?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Even we do a lot of just barrel threading on
factory rifles for guys, right because now with the way
the suppressors have been easier to get, there's been a
real high volume of people buying them, so more people
have them. Instead of going to buy a new rifle
that comes threaded, we can thread your factory rifle for you.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Is there a chance of somebody brings you their old,
old Trustee rifle and the barrel's not thick enough.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
To thread it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot, but it happens
where we can't get to maybe the thread designation that
there can has like say a five eighths by twenty four,
we have to do it at nine sixteen's twenty four. Well,
we have bushings that.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Will put on adapter kind of deal.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, just a bushing that goes on has a shoulder
on it. Le's the can because for can you should
have sixty or seventy thousands of shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But I got to ask you. You said, the trend
is people want shorter vessels, so now they're going to
take there.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And we're not talking about like a ten inch barrel.
We're not talking about SBR shut out, but like a
bolt gun instead of being a twenty two or twenty
four inch barrel.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Right, twenty three twenty four is pretty typical, right for
most hunting rifles and such calibers. And I've had a
guy come in with a WS a twenty seventy WSM
and he requested it to be seventeen inches, and.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Now it's actually a two seventy Winchester or less because
of less losty loss.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It would be less.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
How much philocoity is someone losing like per inch on
a barrel, maybe thirty to forty.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Fifty even fifty, Yeah, depends on the car. It could
be per in. So if you lop off six or
eight inches, you've gone from a magnum to a standard cartrig.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, you're you're down four hundred.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You've given up the advantage that you paid to get,
and you pay every time you have a round of ammunition.
You're giving it all up and You're sure blowing a
lot of powder and blast out there with that shorter barrel. Right,
So why are they doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well for suppressor length Because they buy a suppressor that's
nine or ten inches long, and then you add that
to a twenty four inch barrel. Now you have a
you know, a thirty three inch barrel on this gun.
It starts to become like a fishing pole.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It is pretty long, it is it is.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Is it not possible to actually take the suppressor off
the rifle?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean it wasn't screw it.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Right, yeah right, I mean, and I've even I don't
tell customers that, but I've told friends that, you know,
just put in your bag and when you get to
the stand, screw it on or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know. Hunting, Well, what.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
If I see a deer when I'm walking into the stand,
I said.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, shoot it?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And I mean simple answer.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Well, and you know, there is a little bit of
impact difference shift of impact from a suppressor versus non
but most of the time it's not.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
If you're seeing abot one hundred yards, it's not gonna matter, I.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Don't think, yeah, right, And if he's at four hundred yards,
maybe you have time to put the suppressor on here maybe, yeah,
absolutely more than likely.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah right, So all right, so you got all these
gorgeous rifles here and you build the stuff for billbox.
What makes first of all, how accurate to a rifle
will be? And how do you make a rifle accurate?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
What's the what's the expectation for accuracy?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know? I think so industry wise, I feel like
sub m a is what everybody, you know, especially thirty
caliber or bigger, is always going to be. Yeah, one inch,
one hundred yards. I feel like the smaller, the six
fives and stuff like that should probably fall into half.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So what are your right was doing? I mean, it's okay,
you can brag it's our.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So you know, it depends on the cartridge too, because
if someone is all has only the option of running
factory AMMO, then obviously the AMMO is going to play
a big part into the accuracy of the rifle. We
see a lot of times with some ammos, the PRC lines,
especially some of the nozzlar stuff. Factory ammo, we're getting
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well under half out of a lot of guns. Sometimes
just racket holes at a hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Got that blue and over there laying on the ground
over there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
One hole, one hole, but that's what handloads. Yeah, yeah,
one one hole ten shot group and one.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Hundred ten shots had the same hole pretty much, yes,
And he says that like that ain't a big thing.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, you know, this is funny that you bring that up,
because me and one of my best friends that I've
hunted with for years and we handload. He actually started
teaching me to handload twenty years ago. We still shoot
together all the time. My range where I test all
my rifles is at his house. We have a five
hundred yards, which here in Louisiana, southern Louisiana, that's a
long range here, right. And the big thing that I've
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kind of learned now is I'm not as so focused.
For a long time, we always wanted these little clover
leaf groups at one hundred because that was what we
wanted to see in print paper and it just looks good, right,
But back then we didn't have an opportunity to test
it out at five hundred, right, to see is that
group or is that load still holding up at that distance.
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So now our focus on our especially on our handloading,
especially for hunting rifles, is we wanted, you know, half
inch or better at one hundred, but we wanted to
hold half inch ma at five hundred two, you know,
and if it doesn't, then we don't feel like we're
on the right recipe right there.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Because that at that point other things start happening. Is that,
you know, here's the bullet stabilized. You know, Uh, is
the load really consistent, because you could be you can
have two different loads that they're shooting a half an
inch at one hundred yards but not necessarily a half
moa at five hundred right right, that's correct, Yes, And
now we get into the science of handloading, and that's
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a whole different world altogether, right there.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, And you know, that's one of my first questions
when guys come to me to have a custom rifle built. Well,
that's that's the first thing I ask, because most of
the time it's like a seventy percent kind of know
the caliber they want, and then sometimes they kind of
want a suggestion for me on what to build.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Right Well, I was going to ask you that if
somebody said, I don't really reload, I don't handload, and
I don't I'm not married to a particular cartridge. Is
there a cartridge or a couple of different ones that
you recommend. They say there's a lot of good AMMO available,
or it's just inherently accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, we do have some inherently accurate cartridges. You know.
The creed More has been become very famous. It's it
is very accurate cartridge. I don't know that I agree
with all the loadings that they do for it for
deer hunting and stuff. I feel like they're too heavy
of bullets for that.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You like light golet's going faster for that.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For the creed More, for sure. You know, I have
one I bring whenever we bring kids hunting, and it's
a heavy barreled creed More doesn't have any recall to it,
and I run one fifteen, one seventeen in it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
What about the PRC I like them. I mean, they're
they're pretty much that's an accuracy cartridge.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It is it is they they when guys asked me
to build them, I'm really happy to because I know
if they shoot Precision Hunter or match Amo from Hornerity,
they're gonna they're gonna be in that what we're just
talking about that half inch below half inch even on
the three hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
They'll be happy.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I got guys that are shooting two shots touch like
echine of quarter groups at five hundred with any of
those PRC loadings. If we start with good components, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, wow, are there any particular cartridges you're seeing lately
that are kind of hot or.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean the you know, Horneredy is such a great
marketing company as well, you know, they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
They're they're but but they're also turned out good product.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They do and that and that's why, and that's what
I think helps their marketing is that they're not just
bs and everybody that actually do put out a quality thing.
So the PRC line, I feel like has been the
past couple of years has been really really big because
they've kind of spaced it out a little bit too.
You know, they had the six five, and then a
year or so later they came out to three hundred,
and then a year so later they came out to seven.
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My favorite of those is the three hundred. I just
like thirty cal. I mean, I can't say I just
like thirty caliber, but I just I've just seen them
shoot real good and I think.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
These so too.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, so many bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You've got a lot of match bullets for three. Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And you know, like earlier, mister Tom, you had mentioned,
you know about like weights and things like that of bullets,
and I feel like a lot of times guys will
when you build a custom rifle for somebody, that's one
of my questions is, well, what bullets are you going
to shoot?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Because we want to make sure that the twist rate
of their barrel is conducive to that bullet. Because if
you give a guy a thirty cow with a nine
twist on it and he tries to shoot one thirties
out of it, it's obviously not going to work out
as good.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And that's the point of having a custom rifle built.
It's custom. It's not just we pick the colors. You're
optimizing it to shoot the right way with the m
O and the bullet and all that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
How do people find out more about maniacal arms.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Maniacal arms dot com. We have maniacal arms Facebook, maniacal
underscore arms on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Okay, so yeah, you're all over social media.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Trying to be I'm not good at it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But Michael arms dot com. Also you can see these
things on billbox.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, watch bill box you'll see what Todd does.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Check out bill Box Magic running on Outdoor Channel. It
is gorgeous stuff. It is really to thank you so
much for joining us. Yeah, absolutely, this is fun, you know,
thank you for having If we had another hour, we
keep talking about guns. Oh wait, that's what we do
around here, isn't it. Well, we appreciate it all, sir,
Thank you all for having me. Absolutely. All right, if
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you want to join us eight six six Talk Gun
we'll get you in there. Timetime Gresham joined by Ryan
Gresham today here on Gun Talk. I guess we got
to keep doing this thing because we're we're having too
much fun talking with Todd. We're trying to get him
out the door. We're looking at his guns. We're talking
about long range shooting and three hundred norma. Yeah, Norman,
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he shooting stuff. He says, oh yeah, hitting a mile.
Everybody wants to hit it a mile now right, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I mean, and it's like, build me a gun so
I could hit it a mile. Well, can you shoot
a mile?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah? The gun that do this well? And we would
talk about he was shooting at something like two twenty
two hundred yards, yeah, a mile and a half. Whatever
you know, and we're talking about literally, a change in
the wind by one mile an hour will make you
miss a three by three.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Front target you're off yards, yes, yeah, the drop is
seventy feet or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you know, if you're flinging bullets out there and
you get a hit, you go, I hit it. I'm
write that down. Okay, that's fine, and you know what,
and that's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
But I will say I've done that. I've hit a
target at a mile. You really have unless you do it
all the time. You have to have somebody calling your
shot for you and helping you because they know what
to look for and they know what to see.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You're just kind of like trying to not.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Screw it up. And yeah, you're the trigger puller.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Put a good trigger press on it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's talk about triggers for a second.
The you know, we do talk about it a good
bit under the heading of it applies for everything people
worry about the wrong things. People are thinking about site
site site site sites. And the reality is, and I'm thinking, now,
let's go back to pistol shooting out here. Uh, they're
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trying to get that the sites just perfect and get
that trigger yanke it just when it goes, you know,
just at the perfect time.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and there is a certainly
so you know, put a good trigger press on it.
But it's probably one of the ways that people screw
up the most, and it's one of the easiest things
to fix. Really, I mean, it's more important than your stance.
It's probably more important than your grip. I mean, your
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sight's and your trigger press. If your sights are on
target and you press the trigger without messing up the sights,
you can get away with a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yes, yes, oh yeah, Well Chris demonstrates that out here
standing on one foot with a gun upside down, pulling
the trigger with a pinky right exactly, and he's hitting
the target and you're going, how do you do that?
Just sight's on target and you put a good trigger
press on. Basically, you pulled the trigger without disturbing the sights.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's all you have to do.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
And then there's other things, right, I mean, once you
get past that, that could be a slow fire figuring
this thing out. But then there's other things and I'll
oh boy, I'm gonna upset everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So you like that though, trigger reset?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh geez, here we go.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So people go, oh, trigger reset. You gotta feel that reset.
You got to hear that click, that audible click. No,
if you're hearing the audible click, you're doing it wrong.
You need to be resetting and then pressing the trigger
in recoil while you're still, while they're still the gun
is still going.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Boom, actually pressing the trigger during the recoil.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
What do you mean again, because okay, well we'll talk
through this right. You press the trigger, the sites are
on target, you're pressing, you're pressing, you're pressing. The gun
goes off, the gun recoils, it goes up a little
bit in a pistol. As that's happening, you should not
keep your finger pinned back, let the site settle, and
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then reset the trigger and then start pressing the trigger
again to shoot a second time. What you should be
doing if you want to shoot fast and this will
actually act actually help with accuracy, what you should be
doing is sites are on target, your press, press, press
the trigger.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Boom, gun goes off and recoil.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You release the trigger finger and you get back to
the wall.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you're actually pressing the trigger back while you're coming
down from recoil until you hit that pressure.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Wall, pressure wall, and as the sites settle, you press
it again and you go boom boom boom, boom boom.
And you can do that very quickly when you learn
the trigger, you learn the pressure wall and where that is.
So many people were told don't touch the trigger until
you unless you're intending to shoot the gun. And I
mean a lot of cops are told that, and they're
trained that way. Don't you even put your finger on
(26:45):
that trigger unless you're gonna shoot the gun. Well, you
have to be able to touch the trigger without the
gun going off if you're going to be a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Right, No, exactly right. And that is one of the
things that the top shooters do is they have completely recover.
As they're coming back down from recoil, they are ready
to shoot again. Not like I'm ready to pull the
trigger again. They've already pulled the trigger all the way
back to that pressure wall and the trigger and all
they need is that last one pound of pressure to
(27:13):
make it go off. Just as the sites get to
the target goes off again, and they do it over
and over again, that's how they shoot so quickly.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And if you practice and you get training, and you're
going to learn this training, and people will say, well,
that's unsafe. You know what, It's okay. You can actually
do that. Sites are back on target on bad guy
and bad guy is down on the ground or he's
run away.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You don't have to shoot.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
You don't have to continue to pull the trigger, right,
you can save it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
If you're against the pressure wall. Yeah, you do not
have to shoot, correct, Yeah, exactly. Hey, let's take a
call here. We got Scott calling in from Jackson, Missouri. Hey,
it's got welcome to gun Talk. What you got here? Hey?
Speaker 10 (27:53):
Tom? Range report good. I've always wanted one, and I've
finally got to choire one. A Ruger Red Super Red
Hawk seven and a half inch barrel, stainless and UH
forty four. Took it out and shot it, shot very
good with it with iron sights. But I ordered me
a BURSE two B twenty stainless scope to go with it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right.
Speaker 10 (28:17):
I wonder if you had any any knowledge of them?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, those seems suck a horrible and that I will
take it off your hands for half of what you
paid for it.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
Oh no, no, I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Ryan's gone. That doesn't work, you know that, right.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
I don't think Scott's gonna fall for that. That's awesome, So,
uh are you gonna hunt with it? Is that the thinking?
Speaker 10 (28:40):
That's that's once I get a little practicing, a little
training with it. Yeah, that's that's my plan.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
That's great.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
I need a lot of work, a lot of work
practice on the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
But that's fun. I mean that you said a lot
of work. The other thing is, of course, with the
forty four Magnum Man, you could either load up your
own AMO to have reduced loads or get forty four
special to shoot in there, and you can get a
lot of trigger time in and trying to work on
your technique orout recoil beating you up so much because look,
forty four magnums are great, but the reality is they're
(29:13):
not that much fun to shoot a lot of snappy recoil. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
I was really surprised how how scarce those guns are.
I mean, I know they're still in productions, but people
don't let go of them very much.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So well, they don't let go of them because they're
just that good.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And those are built tank, super red, hot quick.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They are built like a tank. I mean, as long
as you're using factory ambo, you'll never have to worry
about the strength of that gun, and you'll have that
thing forever. I mean, you're scaff so much fun with that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Seven half inch barrel too.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
If you run out of AMMO as the bear is
charging you, you can bludgeon the bear to death with
that thing.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
No bears where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So there you go. Hey, congratulations, Scott, you got a
good one there by Bye, Thank you. You take care.
Let's see what quick break here? Bill about going to
where we got to take our break. We'll come back.
We're talking Jim One Carby nobody anyways, tim One Carby.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
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Speaker 2 (30:07):
Some guns can be fun. We'll be right back with
more guns all.
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Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right, we're back, Gret you. We are live from Well,
are on the road, but we're actually in the mother
ship over here at gun Talk Central in Range Ready
Studios and Louisiana. Check it out Rangeradystudios dot com. Have
a lot of classes being taught here, a lot of
the Yeah, we never even got the experiences. We'll do that.
A second after we talked to Bill, Bill called in
out of North Carolina. Bill, you're on gun Talk. What
(32:58):
is this about an M one?
Speaker 14 (33:01):
My dad was a World War Two VET and he
carried one of those, and I'm interested in possibly acquiring one.
I know that there are companies making brand new, modern
versions and then you can go out in the marketplace
and buy an older one. And I'm not sure what
the advantages or disadvantagers of doing either choice.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, the advantage for getting the older one is you
get a real one, kind of like your dad had,
and they're cool and they're historic, and honestly, if you
can find one you like, there's no reason not to.
That work just as well as the new ones. Obviously,
with the new one you get a new one, but
it sounds to me like you probably would be more
(33:43):
interested in the authentic real one, and I would probably
pick up a used one, okay.
Speaker 14 (33:51):
And the other question is, my son is a hunter.
He mainly does bow hunting, but he's licensed for bear.
Oftentimes bear come across him, and he's considering getting a
pistol to protect himselves in case he needs it. What
kind of pistol do you recommend for that type of hunting?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And we're talking black bears here.
Speaker 14 (34:16):
Right, correct?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Black bear?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Okay, Ryan, you want to tackle that?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I mean probably probably he needs to call her
a previous caller and do a trade for the super redhawk.
I mean, well, that'd be too big for carrying, maybe,
but I mean smaller, but a smaller. You know, something
that's a revolver is great because it's simple, very simple,
and you can operate one handed. One of the great
(34:41):
things about a revolver is you're not dependent on the
shooter to run the gun. A semi auto and a
shooter can induce some malfunction, especially one handed shooting or
awkward positions, so a revolver is great for that and
probably something you know, you could be forty four mag
forty four special, could be three fifty seven mad with
good ammo. That'd be the important thing is.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
To forty one magnum. If you can find one, they're
cool to.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, And if he's more comfortable with the semiauto, that's
fine too, but I think good bullets and uh. And
then just the other part would be making lots of
noise in the woods. That's the you know, if you're
archery hunting, you want to make lots of noise. That
way you won't see bears or deer or dear.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Yeah, like the winds. So are there are there any
particular brands that are following that revolver category that are recommended.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We're so lucky that I got a lot of Smith
and Wesson makes good ones, Ruger makes good ones. Also,
Taurus and ROSSI are making some good revolvers. And probably
if he's going to be carrying it, I would opt
for something a little bit smaller. I kind of lean towards.
I'm talking myself into either the forty four magnum because
(35:53):
you can practice with the forty four specials, or thirty
to fifty seven magnum. You can practice with thirty eight
specials because that smaller, shorter barrel, lighter weight revolver that's
easier to carry, is not going to be as fun
to shoot with the heavy magnum loads that you want
for bear. So for practice shooting, shooting some lighter loads
will make the practicing more fun.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And I'm thinking three or four inch barrel, probably no
more than that, probably with a chest rig. So you've
got the gun on your chest. The only problem here
you gotta be careful because if you're shooting a bow,
if that revolver, pistol whatever it is, gets in the
way up the string, you're going to have a rodeo
(36:37):
and a half when that stink string flies out there
and grabs that pistol, and now you got arrow, gun
and everything else lying across the country.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And build one more thing.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
If you do go the revolver out, and this is
for bear protection, do not cock the hammer on that ever, ever,
ever practice with it double action, just pull the trigger
and shoot the gun, because that's how you're going to
really shoot it if there's a bear climbing up the tree.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Excellent point.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Great, thank you for the advice, you Bet, thanks for
the call.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And you know you mentioned shooting double action. I've kind
of gotten a term that I've come up with trying
to describe to people how to pull because a lot
of people want to shoot their revolver double action, and
they pull it back and pull it back and pull
it that, and then they get it just they want
to have that hammer come all the way back and
then stop, so they're kind of doing a quasi single
action pull. And I use the term sweep. Just sweep
(37:34):
the trigger back once it starts to shoot all the
way back, just sweep it back, and you'll find that
you can actually be a lot more accurate than you
think you can if you just keep the sights on
the target and sweep that trigger back rather than trying
to again time the perfect time for it to go off.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I asked Jerry Mitchellick about this. You're timing the prepping
the trigger, prepping the hammer on a revolver okay, and
he immediately said, no, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
What's email about it?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
What the hell's that guy?
Speaker 12 (38:05):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:05):
World record holder best revolver shooter ever guy.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, we might listen to them, Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
He said, it'll conduce.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
You can induce malfunctions because it's a short stroke it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You can just sweep it back, get it, I mean,
get it can.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Actually induce flinching too, So just pull the trigger and
keep the sites on target until.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It goes off. Yeah, no, exactly right. So I mean,
there it is. We've got to take a break in
just a second here. You know, we never got to
the whole experiences thing and talk about what those are,
and I want to talk about that when we come back.
It's a concept that you came up with, Ryan, and
you do to hear it range Ready Studios. I would
encourage people to go to arrange ready studios dot com
and also to sign up because a lot of these classes,
(38:47):
if you're on the newsletter list, you hear about it
before they actually make the website. That's the secret, and
a lot of them set out before they hit the website,
and the only way you're going to know or be
able to take advantage of them. Is to be on
the list. There are some list it's good to be on.
Be back in just a second. And naturally Jim and
(39:13):
Ryan are both online looking up M one carbings right now.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And now the M two carb fol auto.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Oh yes, yeah, just because right yes, oh quit quit,
get off the internet.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
You're gonna spend money right here. Oh all right, let's
we forget it again. We want to talk about these experiences,
this concept you create. What is this?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
So the idea is we work with so many different
gun companies and optics and everything else in the gun
world that we said, why don't we give our audience
the chance to do what we do. We get invited
by Smith and Wesson or Ruger or SIGs Hour to
go to a media event and we get to shoot
the new guns for two or three days with a
(39:58):
trainer and have a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
How they introduced new products, how.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Exactly these media events we go to.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
So we're working with companies where it'll be the We
just hosted the Cult Python Experience a couple months ago,
and so when the students show up, everybody has a
Cult Python sitting there in front of them. They've got
a holster from Galco. All of the AMMO is provided
by Federals.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's all they get to be a gun writer.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
They get they come in and you know, they pay
for the class and the experience and all that stuff.
They also a lot of times take home this stuff.
So like in that example, they took home that cult
Python and the correct correct. So we're gonna we have
some amazing ones set up for the spring that have
not been released yet. So that and you mentioned it
(40:48):
going under the break go to rangereadystudios dot com. Sign
up for the email list. I had a guy email
me this morning and said, yeah, sign up for the
email list, but I hadn't heard anything yet. That's because
we haven't released those classes yet. So we're going to
be released people with lots of email on this. No no,
But when we do release new classes, those folks are
(41:09):
the first ones to get notified about.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
It, and a lot of times they do sell out.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I wouldn't cogitate about it for too long. If
you think you're interested, just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Yeah, we've got some really neat ones. I'll tease it.
We have We'll have a pistol class in February that
everyone will be using a brand new pistol that has
not been released yet. Really, yes, so this is going
to be a big deal, big launch coming up and
(41:40):
you guys will everybody will be using that and getting
one in the price of the class.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We also have another one in March that.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Ah, shall we say the craze of high end twenty
eleven's is a big deal these days, the double stack
nineteen elevens, and so we're going to have an experience
coming up with that which is going to be really cool.
And I'll just go ahead and tell you you don't
(42:09):
need all of these guns. Sell a couple and get
some really nice guns, okay, because this is like you
picked a gun up like that and you go, oh my, yes,
you think, oh, I didn't realize it could be like this.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's so true, and that's happened to be like two
or three times you pick up a certain gun you go, oh,
I had no idea that a really finally made double
barrel shotgun and felt like this right right, It's like
it's completely.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Different, and you're immediate if you're a gun nerd like
you or I and people listening who go I've got
so many guns. Oh my gosh, you're willing to sell
a couple and go, I want to sell three or four?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
To get one, Yes, to.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Get one that's like this because when I pick it up,
it makes me smile every time. And it's special, and
it's special. Any buddies are probably not going to have it.
But the other part of it is and they also
shoot like gangbusters.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Oh yeah, they'll Yeah, they're almost good enough to make
you a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Almost almost good enough. But that and the class at
the experience, that's it. You're gonna come away a better
shooter and with a good guy.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah, So sign up for the emails range Ready Studios dot.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Com, rains radistudios dot com. There you go. Any Also,
you get to come down here and check out this
incredible place that you have built. You might even pick
up a little bit of losing food on the way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
We're known for that.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, no kid, And sometimes it even shows up in
the classroom during the middle of one of these experiences.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yes, cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
All right, we'll be right back in just a minute.
If you want to join us, by all means, give
us a holler. We'll be talking about silencers of why
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