December 8, 2024 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- The myth of the trigger reset, or why you are slow and not accurate.
-- A new handgun leads to the renewed search for a holster.
-- If the murderer who killed the insurance executive in New York was a professional, why did he basically miss with his first shot, and why didn't he get closer?
Gun Talk 12.08.24 Hour 3
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-- The myth of the trigger reset, or why you are slow and not accurate.
-- A new handgun leads to the renewed search for a holster.
-- If the murderer who killed the insurance executive in New York was a professional, why did he basically miss with his first shot, and why didn't he get closer?
Gun Talk 12.08.24 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresh. I
mean we're talking about guns and shooting and new guns,
and well, there's a lot of new guns to be
coming out and the next I would say seven weeks
we hear about some of them here, we get to
try some of them, we get to do videos on
them ahead of time. And there's one's gonna be announced
(00:35):
actually the middle of this coming week, and it's something else.
It's going to be a okay, I say, a combination.
Let's see two major companies get together to do something
very interesting, and so we'll have that information out on Wednesday.
We'll be able to see all about that on our website.
If you go to guntalk dot com, you go to YouTube,
(00:58):
look wherever you see video, we'll have our videos about that.
We actually did an introduction of the new gun here
at range Any studios where I'm currently down in Louisiana,
and the companies came in and brought media people in
and they did the introduction here, so we'll have all
that information. So that'll be breaking this week and we'll
(01:20):
be able to actually, yeah, talk about exactly what it
is yet it's embargoed, but next week we'll be able
to talk about it a good bit also, and this
was interesting. We got a new gun in last week. Yeah,
new rifle and a new cartridge and yeah, I know
every time that happens, I think, well, do we really
(01:40):
need a new rifle cartridge And I always say no,
of course we don't, and then it turns out to
be pretty good. And I mean, honestly, I was that
way about the six ' five creed More it turned
out to be terrific. And then all the prcs, the
six y five and the seven millimeter prcs, and I
mean it's like, Okay, you we don't need something new,
(02:00):
but they're bringing out new things that are actually really
good and sometimes better. So we'll be able to talk
about that sometime in the future, not too far in
the future. A lot of these are going to be
introduced at the Shot Show. That's the big industry trade
show in Las Vegas next month, So go keep you
up to speed on that. Hey, we're open lines right now.
If there's a range support you'd like to offer, or
(02:22):
a question you have, or a bone you want to
pick with me on something I said where I screwed up,
and that's not that infrequent by all means. Give us
a holler here. The number is pretty easy. It's Tom
Talk Gun. That's me, Tom Talk Gun. Jimmy called in
out of San Antonio. Let's grab him right now. Line
for Hey, Jimmy, you're on gun Talk. What you got.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Hey, they're misuggression. Want to take you off speakers so
you can hear me.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Appreciate me quiz for you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I've been doing some research. Nobody's really given me
a good answer. Okay, But a couple of years back
I bought two revolvers Magnum Research BSR. One chambered in
five hundred magnum and the other one chambered in forty
five seventy government. Now one of them has a scope
on it. I bought used, how do the old school
(03:11):
guys zero in a revolver?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Scope?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know, in a rifle you can pull out the bolt,
look down range and get a board side. And how
would you do it on a revolver.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, you do it the way there's probably going to
be real obvious to you. You started at about ten
yards where you can't miss the target, just but so.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Shoot shoot a three shot group and now five.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Then no, you don't need to shoot a three shot group.
Shoot a one shot group. You know, assuming you've got
the you got the gun sitting on sandbags or something
is really steady, you shoot one shot and if the
thing is like six inches high, then you adjust it
and get it back down. I mean you can do
that with one shot with these, and then you take
it out to fifty or twenty five yards, you know,
(04:01):
And I guess the question is, you know, where do
you want to side it in? But by starting at
ten yards where you can't possibly miss the target, then
you don't. You kind of eliminate the whole bore siding thing.
And by doing it with just one shot, you're not
burning up a lot of AMO in the process. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, and that was a big thing. I bought a
whole bunch of animal but the ammo for these calibers
are pretty expensive and I didn't want to burn a
bunch of ammo at twenty five yards. Okay, fair enough,
fair enough, so start start short and golong.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I appreciate that well exactly, And it's you know, and
I've had actually, you know, when you bore sight, usually
it's pretty close, but I have had occasions where I've
taken a rifle out and completely miss the target at
one hundred yards and have to go, all right, we've
got to bring it back in, go all the way
back to twenty five yards. That's if you're not on there,
bring it in closer at some point. You know, if
you got to move the target up towards one foot away,
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you're going to hit the target right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Right, right right, fair enough, fair point. Well, that's the
other thing. I wasn't sure if I should drop a
plumb line to to center the scope. But maybe I'm
taking things a bit too far for that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You may be overthinking it. Assuming that the holes are
drilled correctly for the scope mount and everything on there,
you should be on at ten yards. You probably are
even on at twenty five. But start at ten, get
one shot on paper, adjust it, and then take it
out to twenty five and I would put one more shot.
I'd do two shots, one shot, adjust it fire a
(05:26):
second shot to make sure that the scope has moved
and you're pretty close to where you need to your
point of aim, and then go out to twenty five
and repeat and then you know, work your way out
to In the case of those calibers, you're probably going
to be okay siting at one hundred yards, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And that's that's my goal, one hundred and fifty yards.
I'd like to use them as hog guns. Nice with
a print factor. I was afraid i'd be way off
the on getting on paper even up close.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Are you a handloader by any chance?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, Unfortunately, I've been wanting to getting the handloading, but
that I unfortunately never had the time to buy the
set up and invest in the brass, the bullets, the primers,
powder and all that. Primers are very hard to come
by nowadays.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
On well, they used to be. They're not hard to
come by now. Honestly. You can find primers now. You
may not be able to find the brand you're looking for,
but you can definitely find primers these days. So that's
kind of that was three four years ago they were
hard to find, but not so much anymore. I mean,
and you will find people are no complaining a bitch
about the price of primers to go. Yeah, okay, fine,
(06:32):
I get it, you know, and I remember paying twenty
five cents a gallon for gas too, so you big
deal stuff gets more expensive. It's just where we are.
But if you the only thing I was going to
say is that if you're a handloader, then you could
load less powerful loads which you're not going to beat
you up, which get past the flinch factor, as you mentioned,
because you shoot a lot of these, you know, a
(06:54):
lot of rounds of these guns, you definitely can develop
a flinch because those are some big kicking guns.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Oh yeah, I have a five hundred Magnum Actually I'm
a big boar kind of guy, but I've just never
shot one with the with the scope on it. And
but yeah, absolutely, whenever it's my birthday, I'll take out
my eight and three quarter inch Smith Weston five hundred
blastom rounds. But after you know that box of twenty,
like my hand is numb.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, look, the five hundred is a beast. I've shot
at some I actually got to shoot one without the
muzzle break on it, and that was such a horrible idea.
Oh good lord, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Boy, oh boy, Yeah, that was Unfortunately, the BFR that
I have there's no muscle break. It's single action. There's
no muscle break.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well that means is it is a big freaking revolver,
which is what we're going to call the BFR on
the radio anyway. And it is big and heavy, but yes,
and with a single action at least it rolls in
your hands and will come back a bit and doesn't
beat your hand up quite as much as I think
the double action Smith's do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. In fact, what I've learned is
for listeners out there who are thinking about the big
boors Fred, get some weightlifting gloves that actually really helps
when you go out to the range first.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, good, if I appreciate that. Heads up on that.
Let's appreciate the call. Sound like you got some cool
revolvers there. Thank you for the call. Let's take a
quick break here we come back. We're get Keith on
and we have room for you if you'd like to
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Speaker 2 (10:56):
I guess I have to quit fusion around gunfro for
hearing rights that could cost you money. Hey, I'm back,
Tom Gresham here, it's gun talk. It's terrible. You know.
They make us so darn easy, all these different websites.
It's pretty cool and I'm looking at the U stuff.
There's a lot of really nice new MEO guns, handguns, rifles,
(11:18):
shotguns out and I still like the old ones sometimes,
but I do like the new ones. There's some really
good and they get better all the time. They're accurate,
they're less expensive than they used to be. It's pretty crazy.
What's out there now? If you want to join this
eight sixty six talk. Gun Keith did that. He's out
of Denver, Colorado. Keith got a range report for me.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
What you got, yes, sir, Well, I gave myself a
gift to this year for Christmas and it's a Taurust
GX four. I know that there's a lot of people
out there that the G two and G three versions
were supposedly not very good, but this one seems great.
I've only put a few rounds through it and it
seems awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It is terrific. Yeah, I think the latest Taurus pistols
are really and revolvers are really good. They have brought
their quality up significantly, so that's good to hear. So
what's your question for me here?
Speaker 9 (12:12):
Well, the question is I'm looking for a holster, and
I'm wondering what's the best holster And is there any
type of a belt clip that would attach to the
frame of the pistol that you would consider a safe
or effective or reasonable for inside the belf carry.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Generally not and I'm not going to say never that
I would never use one of those rigs because there
are these clips that you can attach to your gun.
It slips on and hooks onto your belt. My concern
with those is simply this, Now you have an exposed trigger,
the trigger guards exposed and inside the waistband may be
(13:05):
less of an issue, but I'd really like the added
protection of a holster of some sort that covers the
trigger guards so you can't inadvertently get a finger in
that thing at the wrong time. Makes sense, Yes, that does.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
There's a there's a tistol or the holster that I
was looking at. There's one that actually does not have
an inside cover on it, and you know their their
selling point is that it reduces the width of the holster.
Of course, but then I didn't but you're right, I
didn't think about the fact that that would leave the
hammer or the trigger exposed.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah. And then as to what is the best type
of holster. We start bar fights with questions like that.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
It's like, okay, I start to look.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, okay, this is for concealed carry.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I take it correct.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Do you when you're at the range and I'm assuming
you've done some drawing or holster, do you let me
back up, Do you have any kind of holsture for
this gun at all.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
I have no holster for it yet, but I have
holsters for my other pistols that I that are basically
too large to carry. So I needed this is why, honestly,
they needed something more concealable.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Okay, generally, do you are you okay with like a
three three thirty position for carrying? I guess where I'm
going is are you going to go to appendix carry?
Are you going to go on the side?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Uh No, I've listened to you, and I think we're
on the same page. That I just that that makes
me too nervous to do appendix carry, So I am
thinking the three three thirty position.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Now we get into inside the waistband or outside the
waist band. Inside the waistband holsters are easier to conceal
because there's less gun hanging out there. You have to
have slightly larger pant waist size generally speaking, and you
may or may not like the feel or the fit.
I did that for many, many years inside the waistband,
(15:07):
and I have switched. Now I'm doing outside the waistband.
But I am able to dress for the gun, so
I can wear a shirt tail out or a vest
or something like that to conceal. If that's not possible,
then you may be limited to inside the waistband. The
problem here, I'm just going to tell you straight up,
is you gonna end up with a bunch of holsters,
(15:29):
at least two and maybe as many as five, in
the search for finding something that works. None of them
are greatly comfortable, although I think outside the waist sband
are considerably more comfortable. But there's nothing wrong with having
more than one holster because you may have different styles
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for different ways you're dressing for different occasions.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
Okay, well, I'm a fairly athletic build and I was
thinking about something like the vanished holster. What do you
have an opinion on those?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They are fine? I mean, look, they're all fine there.
I don't know of any bad holster, honestly. You know,
it'll be your personal preference whether you go Kaydaks or leather.
Both are great. Kaideks is much more popular now, I think.
Uh So, you know I love leather holsters, and yet
I'm talking to you today wearing my Kaideks outside the
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waistband holster. Uh So, that's just kind of what I
have gravitated to. I would say, find something that you
like the looks of that you can if you can
get a good gun store and you're in an area
where you have good gun stores. If you can't, are
you anywhere close to like the Centennial Gun Club? Yes,
(16:52):
go over there, great range, great place. Talk to the instructors,
see what they have there, Try your gun, try to
for ones, see what you think, put it on your
belt in a safe environment. If they will let you
put your gun in the holster and try how it
feels to you. I mean, that's one thing great about
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a place like that has a good range at a
good gun store both and that's an impressive operation. So
that would be where I would go, since that's where
you are.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Okay, Yeah, I am certified at my current range for
the for a draw and shoot. So yeah, I just
I just didn't know where to start to look. And
you know a lot of people have. It's so personal,
like you.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Say, right, so okay, sounds good, Well, good luck with it.
It is a it's a journey, and if you really
get into it, you end up like all of us.
I mean, I'm I'm sure I have Well I used
to have several boxes of holsters and now I have
one huge tub, big rubber tub full of holsters that
(17:58):
I go do dig around in there. So it is
just part of the process, and once you're into it,
you'll end up with several different holsters. Look, I appreciate
the call, thank you sir. Good luck with the search.
And every time you get a new gun, it's a
new holster, right, or maybe two new holsters for that.
And I thought I had this nailed because I've got
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a bunch of different sick pistols, and I got a
bunch of different holsters for my sick pistols. And then
I got the new well new to me, the p
three sixty five axg Legion. Thought, way does that work,
you know, because I've got holsters for the fuse. Nope,
that doesn't work. So I'm on the SIG website buying
(18:42):
another holster, having it's sent in because I needed another holster, right,
But I do like that pistol. Golly, that thing feels good.
And then this franking gun that I made out of it,
taking the slide and the barrel from a few with
three sixty five fuse and dropping it on top, you
(19:03):
get a little bit longer barrel. You've got get rid
of the comp which I am a little bit uncertain
about the comp on these guns, whether it does much
good or are you just as well off by lengthening
the barrel a little bit, adding the weight out there,
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and of course with iron sights, if you're shooting irons,
then you get a little bit longer sight radius. But
we shot it a good bit with this franking gun
arrangement and had a red dot on it had the
SIG red dot on it Romeo. It ran like a
top now if you remember when I first got the fuse,
and I love the fuse. I love the way it
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feels everything else. But for whatever reason, the mo I
was using made it a jam omatic. And for the
first god, i'd say, two hundred rounds, it's like every
fourth shot, you know, it was jamming. It wasn't feeding right.
But I kept shooting, and we had several people at
(20:08):
the range. We just kept traded off and then somewhere
around two of the rounds it just smoothed right out.
It started shooting, and I'm just it's running great right now,
running like a little sewing machine. And loved the feel
of it. So there you go. And I know people
I actually talked to people said, well, you know, I'd
be sending it back if it did that. Well, I
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guess that's the one way to go. But we had
plenty of AMMA, We had several people at the range,
and we had time, and we just kept sending rounds
to it because it was so much fun to shoot. Also,
this is just my way of thinking about it. But
I got to work on my malfunction drills. So there's that.
If you don't hear, if you don't work on malfunction drills,
(20:51):
if you don't know, I'm talking about if the gun
goes click instead a bang, or jams you know, a
tap rack, or if you absolutely need to, you could
even reload it from your magazine on your magpouchs. If
you don't work on those, you lose the fact that
they are second nature. If you work on them all
the time, when the gun goes click, when it should
(21:13):
go bang, you immediately tap the magazine back in the bottom,
You come over the top and rack the slide to
throw out the empty or the jam or whatever is
in there, and you get back in business. And if
you do it a lot, you will do it so instinctively,
and so it's like a reaction that you'll never even
think about. You're just back in the game and you're
shooting again. It's one of the things you get from
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going to a dare I say it training? And yes,
I know we are like a broken record, And I'm
not telling you to come here to Range re Ady Studios.
Ryan doesn't tell you to come here. It's his place,
right We tell you to go somewhere, and we don't
care where, but go get training somewhere because unless you
(21:58):
have done that, you're not as good as you think
you are. And you're probably got to hate to say this.
It's going to tick people off. You're probably not really
very good if you haven't had real training. If you
take issue with that, call me eight six ' six
Talk Gun all right back where they eat six to
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six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham.
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Speaker 5 (23:17):
What you got there, Tom, Howdy howdy? I got a
Czy seventy five p one. Okay, I don't know if
you're familiar with that pistol.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I had to look it up. I gotta tell you.
I was not familiar with it, but I looked it up.
So I'm looking at it now online.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Okay, Well, I love the thing. My buddy had bought
one and I liked it. And then a gunshop I
do business with in Corpus, they had my buddy who
worked there and called me said, hey, that gun you
were looking at We got to us one in. I
got it for like three fifty, which is about two
hundred less than retail or maybe a little bit more.
Than that. But I took it over to my buddies
(23:55):
to show it to them, like, hey, look what I
got for three fifty. You know, just rub it in
a little bit. But it's got two different cerial numbers
on it. It's got the manufactured serial number and then
kind of like in a gold stamp, it has another
different serial number. My buddy said to me that it's
like a U N gun or something like the United Nations.
That's like the preferred firearm. I didn't know if you'd
(24:17):
ever heard of that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I have not. I know it's the official side arm
of the Czech National Police, but I didn't know about it.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Get you in, sorry, but no, what did you hear
I heard? I heard that it was real popular in
the European gunry, like for police and maybe some Interpol
people have thought it was a real good gun too.
So let me ask you, and I've never owned one before.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
CZ makes really good guns, and I think this was
one of the first ones they made with their new
manufacturing process using C and C machining so that all
the parts fit and you don't have to do hand fitting.
I got a question for you. You got this, uh
double action single action gun, it's got a hammer. It's
not a striker fired pistol. Why did you go with
(25:05):
the style?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I had a forty before that was a striker fire,
and I'm not real comfortable with the striker fires. That
safety being on the pistol grip and on the trigger.
I just don't like keep one of the pipe like that,
and I'm real fond of I've always had hammer fired
external hammers, So when I found this, I grabbed it
and ended up selling the forty off. But there's also
(25:28):
another thing on it, the slide. Compared to the other
nines I've got and other ones that had in the past,
it looks like the slide just sits on top of
the mechanical part and just slides back. I don't know
how on this pe good gun. It's kind of hard
to explain. But like on the pistol part, the underneath part,
the mechanical part of the pistol, there's like a track
(25:52):
and the slide on the top. When you rack it back,
it's like inside the track. It's got a track that
it slides back across. It's really you know, you have
to look at it a couple of times and even
notice it. If you weren't really paying attention. But I
haven't seen any other pistols like that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, CZ is pretty innovative. I mean, they've been making
good pistols for probably one hundred years at this point. So,
like I say, unfortunately I can't really comment on that
because I don't have one. I not shot one. But
it sounds intriguing. I mean, I guess here's the question
I have for you to find. A question is do
you like this pistol?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Love it? I just wish I could shoot more. I've
got an inupperable neck injury that prevents me from enjoying
a lot of things for too long without having to
go back and sit down. So I shoot it when
I can, but I don't get to spend enough climb
in the range. I can shoot it my property, too,
but I just don't like shooting that much. Just I
go out and pop a couple of shots to make
sure I'm still hitting target, But right, I don't sit
(26:51):
there to spend hours upon hours staying sharp like that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, well, look I appreciate you bringing it up. It's
a CZ seventy five one, one interesting pistol. I got
to look up a little bit more about that. I
appreciate the call right now. Uh, you know, I want
to mention something here. I mentioned triggers earlier and in
our training here in one of the things that Chris
Sereno or key trainer does is he talks about people
(27:19):
talk about reset trigger reset. It's become a thing. You
pull the trigger and you pined it all the way
to the back. And Ryan talked about this on the
show last week. And then you let it go forward
slowly and hear the click reset. Oh that's cool, it's
got a great reset. That's just dumb. Yes, I said,
that's just dumb. What are you doing. Here's what I
(27:43):
want you to do. When you go out to the range,
one shot at a time, fire the gun, and when
this immediately get back on the trigger. Look, when you
take up the trigger on your pistol, it moves, the
trigger blade itself moves backwards a little bit. And then
you at what Chris calls and other people call the
pressure wall. It stops moving and now you know that
(28:05):
the next movement is actually gonna make the gun go off.
So you got some play there, some movement before you
get to the pressure wall. The moment you shoot the gun,
you should be getting your finger pulled all the way
back against that trigger until it gets to the pressure wall,
so that really when it comes out of recoil, you've
already taken up the slack and you're at the pressure wall.
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It's ready to go off again. And then when it's
time to shoot, you just come back enough. It's very
little movement and it goes off, and then during recoil.
During recoil you are getting back on the trigger and
taking up the slack and going through that and getting
back to the pressure wall. You will be able to
(28:47):
shoot much faster. You will be able to shoot much
more accurately once you kind of get comfortable with this
pressure wall idea, and the idea that forget this letting
the trigger year ago forward to you hear click? How
slow is that? It's like, oh, let's do this silly
(29:10):
affectation that slows us down. The whole idea is I
want to shoot faster and more accurately. So during recoil,
you're getting back on the trigger and you're taking up
the slack so that when it comes down from recoil
and your sites get back on the trigger or on
the site on the target. Rather when your sites, get
back on the target. You're ready to shoot the gun.
(29:32):
You're ready to just increase the pressure maybe a pound
or so. And this gets us to that idea of
people say, well, don't touch the trigger till you're ready
to shoot. No, that's not really good advice. You should
absolutely be able to have your finger on the trigger
without shooting. If you can't, we need some serious training.
I mean, you don't always shoot just because you put
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your finger on the trigger. And here's the other part.
For every shot you fire, imagine yourself with the range
or on the target or on paper target. Each time
you fire a shot, you need how many site pictures
you need? Two? You need the first sight picture that
(30:14):
helps you shoot, and you need the second site picture
after you shoot in case you have to shoot again.
By doing that, you will follow through in your shot.
You will keep your grip on your gun. You will
not let a sag back down, You not look over
the top of the gun. Two site pictures for every shot.
(30:36):
So if you fire two shots, how many site pictures
do you need? You need three. You see where I'm
going with this, And in the process of doing that,
when it's back on, your sites are back on the target.
Your fingers should have taken up that slack and you
are against the pressure wall. Doesn't mean you're gonna shoot,
but it means you're ready to shoot. If you need two,
(31:01):
give that some thought. If you're unclear, give me a call.
I'll work it through again. Our numbers eight six six
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
All right, we got to mind up, and now it's
time to go to the phones. Brian's out of Foster,
North Carolina. He's oning to hey, Brian, let's talk training.
What are you thinking? Brian? You there all right? This,
I'll tell you what. Drop down to Paul on four.
Let's grab Paul, see what's going on. Hey, Paul, you're
on gun Talk. What's on your mind? Sir? Hi?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Tom?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Am I listening to you today? And every time you
say it's okay to have your finger on the trigger,
the hair in the back of my neck stands up.
You're moving off the part, leaving off the part where
it's okay as long as it's pointed in a safe direction.
You know that, and I know that, but not everybody listening.
Maybe I disagree with you need to add that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Now I'm talking about when it's pointed at somebody.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Uh. Well, if you're passing some target shooting, you can
leave your finger on the I'm sorry. Your fingers shouldn't
be on the trigger unless it's pointed in a safe direction,
whether you intend to pull it or not.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, what's the safe direction?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Uh, where you're you're not concerned about destroying what the
gun is pointed at, meaning you're not pointing it at
toward people, toward buildings, toward whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, Okay, I generally agree with you what you're saying,
and let me let's go over that because we need
to flesh out the details. If I am shooting at
a target and I need to move like around a barricade,
and it's a barricade that I don't want to shoot
at or wouldn't want to shoot, then I went my
finger's coming off the target. Basically it's on target on
(35:14):
you know, on sites, sites are on the target. Then
I'm on the trigger. However, in a self defense situation,
I'm going to be pointing it at somebody with my
finger on the trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh yeah, I agreed, okay. And it depends what's behind
them too. I mean, if there's something behind him, you
need to think, okay, yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And look, the reality is in a self defense situation,
if there are people around, there is no safe direction
because you don't know who's going to be moving in
front or behind, and it's a it's a cluster, and
it's awful in all of that. But and I think
this is where we're going to agree on. This is
the key is to have thought about this stuff, you know,
and gone out to the range and practiced and gotten
(35:59):
training on moving. If you're moving your fingers off the trigger.
If your sites are not on the target, your fingers
off the trigger. But if you I guess the point
I want to make here is putting your finger on
the trigger doesn't mean you're going to fire the gun
every time, and that includes in a self defit situation.
(36:20):
You're pointing the gun at somebody who's a threat, you
can have your finger on the trigger and not shoot them.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I'm a good with that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I think that we vigorously agree on this.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yes, yes, I just from the number of times you
said in the situations it was I just felt like
the safe direction that was missing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
No, it's a good point. I appreciate that, you know,
and maybe that I was in my head. I'm thinking
everybody knows that. But yeah, that's not a safe assumption.
So you know what happens when you assume, right, Paul,
I appreciate you keep me straight on that. Let's grab
a gem on line one out of Missouri. Jim, you're
on gun Talk. What's up?
Speaker 15 (37:04):
Oh, I got a question for you with this, uh
the shooting of this uh this executive insurance fellow. Oh, yeah,
we don't know much about that, and I'm watching the
news a little bit here and there, and they show.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
A picture of the shooter.
Speaker 15 (37:21):
Shooting at the executive. Uh, I guess I'm not hit man.
I don't know anything about trying to kill somebody or anything.
But wouldn't they go closer? Wouldn't he go closer to
the man?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
You would?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes, target, Yeah, I don't. I don't think this guy
was a professional at all, shooting from like ten feet away,
and in the process the first shot he missed him,
so he flinched or yanked the trigger so badly shot
this guy in the leg from ten feet away. And
you should be able to put all your shots into
a playing card at that distance. So he wasn't very good.
(37:57):
But yes, to your point, you would think, well, why
wouldn't you just walk up right behind him and get
and close the distance and get right there and shoot him.
So that didn't happen, And so there's an all And look,
you bring up a great point. We don't know much
about what happened. I mean, we know what happened, but
we don't know anything about this guy who did the murder.
(38:19):
We don't know why he shot at that distance, we
don't know what he was using, we don't know if
he flinched, if he just has a bad shot, if
he yanked the trigger low and left, what was going on?
If they catch him, we may find out. Unfortunately, in
some of these cases, like the guy who shot President Trump,
we may not find out. They may bury it. I mean,
(38:41):
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there's enough of this
stuff where they just we never find out Epstein's list,
did his list? You know, the guy who shot President Trump?
Where's all this information that should be out there? Well,
you know, maybe when Trump's crew gets in, we will
know a lot more, we can hope. Right back, I
(39:09):
really had fun when I created that acronym in taught,
but it is so true. I never thought of that.
It pops up everywhere, and it's one of the things
that I really enjoy about taking these classes that I
and I like to take classes, these training classes for firearms,
thunder Ranch and gun Sight and sig Academy and down
(39:29):
here at rang Dreading Studios. You get the huh. I
never did it that way, and I never would have
thought about doing it that way, But now that I've
tried it, there's something to it, and it's that old
I never thought of that deal that thing what Chris
was talking about. Look, and I've always heard people talk about,
(39:50):
you know, the eyes lead the gun. Followers go yeah, fine,
But he had a way of teaching it. It's like, Okay,
we're gonna draw and shoot him this target, he says,
when I say threat, you shoot. He says, stay right there,
and then I'm gonna say, look, don't move your gun.
You look at of the other target, and then he
says threat, and you move to the other target, versus
(40:10):
just swinging the gun over and looking, which you'll end
up swinging it right past the target every time. But
if you look hard at the target and then move
the gun, it goes right to the target and stops.
It's amazing. So it was threat look threat. Pretty interesting.
So you know, it's that hang around people who think
(40:34):
about this stuff and then learn how to teach it,
and they try different things and go, okay, well, well
what if we did this and what if we did that?
The other thing that happens. If you're going to these schools,
the instructor should be able to do these things. If
your instructor cannot shoot the drills really well, you might
(40:55):
want to find a different instructor. Frankly, if your instructor
can't it well, or if your instructor is spraying bullets
all over the target and not putting them all into
one little area, you got a problem. I'm not sure
this person can. If they can't do it, they can't
teach it. I mean, that really is true. So be careful,
(41:19):
be discerning. Ask questions. If you're thinking about going to
a class somewhere, find other people who have been to
the class and ask them. Ask the instructor. If it's
somebody you don't know. I mean, look, if it's a
gunsight or thunder ranch or or down here, you are
no you know what's going on. But if somebody you
(41:41):
are not familiar with, ask the instructor for references. If
he or she won't give you references, that's a red
flag for me. It would be well, I protect people's privacy. Great, okay,
I understand that, But is there anybody who's been to
your classes that I can talk to? And if the
answers no, I mean, you still make't one to go.
(42:04):
But there would be a red flag for me. I
would be concerned about that. I'm just going to say
that it is so much fun going to a shooting school,
and I don't care if it's a wing shooting school
or self defense school or long ring shooting school and
learning stuff and becoming a better shot where you just
(42:28):
you get better very quickly. The improvement is rapid in
these Now it may not be okay, I've gone from
you know, to a double a class shooter or whatever.
You maybe not that, but oh I can now draw better,
I can get on target better. I know what to
(42:49):
concentrate on now, I know to think about my trigger,
or I know to tighten up my grip, or I
know that in the middle of a string, if I
start losing the shots and they're drifting, I can actually
do the correction in the middle of shooting a string
of shots, which you will be able to do once
you know what's required and how to diagnose it and
(43:10):
how to fix it. If you want to continue the conversation,
give you a call. We'll put you into the after
show again eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresh. I
mean we're talking about guns and shooting and new guns,
and well, there's a lot of new guns to be
coming out and the next I would say seven weeks
we hear about some of them here, we get to
try some of them, we get to do videos on
them ahead of time. And there's one's gonna be announced
(00:35):
actually the middle of this coming week, and it's something else.
It's going to be a okay, I say, a combination.
Let's see two major companies get together to do something
very interesting, and so we'll have that information out on Wednesday.
We'll be able to see all about that on our website.
If you go to guntalk dot com, you go to YouTube,
(00:58):
look wherever you see video, we'll have our videos about that.
We actually did an introduction of the new gun here
at range Any studios where I'm currently down in Louisiana,
and the companies came in and brought media people in
and they did the introduction here, so we'll have all
that information. So that'll be breaking this week and we'll
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be able to actually, yeah, talk about exactly what it
is yet it's embargoed, but next week we'll be able
to talk about it a good bit also, and this
was interesting. We got a new gun in last week. Yeah,
new rifle and a new cartridge and yeah, I know
every time that happens, I think, well, do we really
(01:40):
need a new rifle cartridge And I always say no,
of course we don't, and then it turns out to
be pretty good. And I mean, honestly, I was that
way about the six ' five creed More it turned
out to be terrific. And then all the prcs, the
six y five and the seven millimeter prcs, and I
mean it's like, Okay, you we don't need something new,
(02:00):
but they're bringing out new things that are actually really
good and sometimes better. So we'll be able to talk
about that sometime in the future, not too far in
the future. A lot of these are going to be
introduced at the Shot Show. That's the big industry trade
show in Las Vegas next month, So go keep you
up to speed on that. Hey, we're open lines right now.
If there's a range support you'd like to offer, or
(02:22):
a question you have, or a bone you want to
pick with me on something I said where I screwed up,
and that's not that infrequent by all means. Give us
a holler here. The number is pretty easy. It's Tom
Talk Gun. That's me, Tom Talk Gun. Jimmy called in
out of San Antonio. Let's grab him right now. Line
for Hey, Jimmy, you're on gun Talk. What you got.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Hey, they're misuggression. Want to take you off speakers so
you can hear me.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Appreciate me quiz for you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I've been doing some research. Nobody's really given me
a good answer. Okay, But a couple of years back
I bought two revolvers Magnum Research BSR. One chambered in
five hundred magnum and the other one chambered in forty
five seventy government. Now one of them has a scope
on it. I bought used, how do the old school
(03:11):
guys zero in a revolver?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Scope?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know, in a rifle you can pull out the bolt,
look down range and get a board side. And how
would you do it on a revolver.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, you do it the way there's probably going to
be real obvious to you. You started at about ten
yards where you can't miss the target, just but so.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Shoot shoot a three shot group and now five.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Then no, you don't need to shoot a three shot group.
Shoot a one shot group. You know, assuming you've got
the you got the gun sitting on sandbags or something
is really steady, you shoot one shot and if the
thing is like six inches high, then you adjust it
and get it back down. I mean you can do
that with one shot with these, and then you take
it out to fifty or twenty five yards, you know,
(04:01):
And I guess the question is, you know, where do
you want to side it in? But by starting at
ten yards where you can't possibly miss the target, then
you don't. You kind of eliminate the whole bore siding thing.
And by doing it with just one shot, you're not
burning up a lot of AMO in the process. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, and that was a big thing. I bought a
whole bunch of animal but the ammo for these calibers
are pretty expensive and I didn't want to burn a
bunch of ammo at twenty five yards. Okay, fair enough,
fair enough, so start start short and golong.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I appreciate that well exactly, And it's you know, and
I've had actually, you know, when you bore sight, usually
it's pretty close, but I have had occasions where I've
taken a rifle out and completely miss the target at
one hundred yards and have to go, all right, we've
got to bring it back in, go all the way
back to twenty five yards. That's if you're not on there,
bring it in closer at some point. You know, if
you got to move the target up towards one foot away,
(04:50):
you're going to hit the target right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Right, right right, fair enough, fair point. Well, that's the
other thing. I wasn't sure if I should drop a
plumb line to to center the scope. But maybe I'm
taking things a bit too far for that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You may be overthinking it. Assuming that the holes are
drilled correctly for the scope mount and everything on there,
you should be on at ten yards. You probably are
even on at twenty five. But start at ten, get
one shot on paper, adjust it, and then take it
out to twenty five and I would put one more shot.
I'd do two shots, one shot, adjust it fire a
(05:26):
second shot to make sure that the scope has moved
and you're pretty close to where you need to your
point of aim, and then go out to twenty five
and repeat and then you know, work your way out
to In the case of those calibers, you're probably going
to be okay siting at one hundred yards, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And that's that's my goal, one hundred and fifty yards.
I'd like to use them as hog guns. Nice with
a print factor. I was afraid i'd be way off
the on getting on paper even up close.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Are you a handloader by any chance?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, Unfortunately, I've been wanting to getting the handloading, but
that I unfortunately never had the time to buy the
set up and invest in the brass, the bullets, the primers,
powder and all that. Primers are very hard to come
by nowadays.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
On well, they used to be. They're not hard to
come by now. Honestly. You can find primers now. You
may not be able to find the brand you're looking for,
but you can definitely find primers these days. So that's
kind of that was three four years ago they were
hard to find, but not so much anymore. I mean,
and you will find people are no complaining a bitch
about the price of primers to go. Yeah, okay, fine,
(06:32):
I get it, you know, and I remember paying twenty
five cents a gallon for gas too, so you big
deal stuff gets more expensive. It's just where we are.
But if you the only thing I was going to
say is that if you're a handloader, then you could
load less powerful loads which you're not going to beat
you up, which get past the flinch factor, as you mentioned,
because you shoot a lot of these, you know, a
(06:54):
lot of rounds of these guns, you definitely can develop
a flinch because those are some big kicking guns.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Oh yeah, I have a five hundred Magnum Actually I'm
a big boar kind of guy, but I've just never
shot one with the with the scope on it. And
but yeah, absolutely, whenever it's my birthday, I'll take out
my eight and three quarter inch Smith Weston five hundred
blastom rounds. But after you know that box of twenty,
like my hand is numb.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, look, the five hundred is a beast. I've shot
at some I actually got to shoot one without the
muzzle break on it, and that was such a horrible idea.
Oh good lord, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Boy, oh boy, Yeah, that was Unfortunately, the BFR that
I have there's no muscle break. It's single action. There's
no muscle break.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well that means is it is a big freaking revolver,
which is what we're going to call the BFR on
the radio anyway. And it is big and heavy, but yes,
and with a single action at least it rolls in
your hands and will come back a bit and doesn't
beat your hand up quite as much as I think
the double action Smith's do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. In fact, what I've learned is
for listeners out there who are thinking about the big
boors Fred, get some weightlifting gloves that actually really helps
when you go out to the range first.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, good, if I appreciate that. Heads up on that.
Let's appreciate the call. Sound like you got some cool
revolvers there. Thank you for the call. Let's take a
quick break here we come back. We're get Keith on
and we have room for you if you'd like to
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I guess I have to quit fusion around gunfro for
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They make us so darn easy, all these different websites.
It's pretty cool and I'm looking at the U stuff.
There's a lot of really nice new MEO guns, handguns, rifles,
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shotguns out and I still like the old ones sometimes,
but I do like the new ones. There's some really
good and they get better all the time. They're accurate,
they're less expensive than they used to be. It's pretty crazy.
What's out there now? If you want to join this
eight sixty six talk. Gun Keith did that. He's out
of Denver, Colorado. Keith got a range report for me.
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What you got, yes, sir, Well, I gave myself a
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I've only put a few rounds through it and it
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I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It is terrific. Yeah, I think the latest Taurus pistols
are really and revolvers are really good. They have brought
their quality up significantly, so that's good to hear. So
what's your question for me here?
Speaker 9 (12:12):
Well, the question is I'm looking for a holster, and
I'm wondering what's the best holster And is there any
type of a belt clip that would attach to the
frame of the pistol that you would consider a safe
or effective or reasonable for inside the belf carry.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Generally not and I'm not going to say never that
I would never use one of those rigs because there
are these clips that you can attach to your gun.
It slips on and hooks onto your belt. My concern
with those is simply this, Now you have an exposed trigger,
the trigger guards exposed and inside the waistband may be
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less of an issue, but I'd really like the added
protection of a holster of some sort that covers the
trigger guards so you can't inadvertently get a finger in
that thing at the wrong time. Makes sense, Yes, that does.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
There's a there's a tistol or the holster that I
was looking at. There's one that actually does not have
an inside cover on it, and you know their their
selling point is that it reduces the width of the holster.
Of course, but then I didn't but you're right, I
didn't think about the fact that that would leave the
hammer or the trigger exposed.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah. And then as to what is the best type
of holster. We start bar fights with questions like that.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
It's like, okay, I start to look.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, okay, this is for concealed carry.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I take it correct.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Do you when you're at the range and I'm assuming
you've done some drawing or holster, do you let me
back up, Do you have any kind of holsture for
this gun at all.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
I have no holster for it yet, but I have
holsters for my other pistols that I that are basically
too large to carry. So I needed this is why, honestly,
they needed something more concealable.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Okay, generally, do you are you okay with like a
three three thirty position for carrying? I guess where I'm
going is are you going to go to appendix carry?
Are you going to go on the side?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Uh No, I've listened to you, and I think we're
on the same page. That I just that that makes
me too nervous to do appendix carry, So I am
thinking the three three thirty position.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Now we get into inside the waistband or outside the
waist band. Inside the waistband holsters are easier to conceal
because there's less gun hanging out there. You have to
have slightly larger pant waist size generally speaking, and you
may or may not like the feel or the fit.
I did that for many, many years inside the waistband,
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and I have switched. Now I'm doing outside the waistband.
But I am able to dress for the gun, so
I can wear a shirt tail out or a vest
or something like that to conceal. If that's not possible,
then you may be limited to inside the waistband. The
problem here, I'm just going to tell you straight up,
is you gonna end up with a bunch of holsters,
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at least two and maybe as many as five, in
the search for finding something that works. None of them
are greatly comfortable, although I think outside the waist sband
are considerably more comfortable. But there's nothing wrong with having
more than one holster because you may have different styles
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for different ways you're dressing for different occasions.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
Okay, well, I'm a fairly athletic build and I was
thinking about something like the vanished holster. What do you
have an opinion on those?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They are fine? I mean, look, they're all fine there.
I don't know of any bad holster, honestly. You know,
it'll be your personal preference whether you go Kaydaks or leather.
Both are great. Kaideks is much more popular now, I think.
Uh So, you know I love leather holsters, and yet
I'm talking to you today wearing my Kaideks outside the
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waistband holster. Uh So, that's just kind of what I
have gravitated to. I would say, find something that you
like the looks of that you can if you can
get a good gun store and you're in an area
where you have good gun stores. If you can't, are
you anywhere close to like the Centennial Gun Club? Yes,
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go over there, great range, great place. Talk to the instructors,
see what they have there, Try your gun, try to
for ones, see what you think, put it on your
belt in a safe environment. If they will let you
put your gun in the holster and try how it
feels to you. I mean, that's one thing great about
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a place like that has a good range at a
good gun store both and that's an impressive operation. So
that would be where I would go, since that's where
you are.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Okay, Yeah, I am certified at my current range for
the for a draw and shoot. So yeah, I just
I just didn't know where to start to look. And
you know a lot of people have. It's so personal,
like you.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Say, right, so okay, sounds good, Well, good luck with it.
It is a it's a journey, and if you really
get into it, you end up like all of us.
I mean, I'm I'm sure I have Well I used
to have several boxes of holsters and now I have
one huge tub, big rubber tub full of holsters that
(17:58):
I go do dig around in there. So it is
just part of the process, and once you're into it,
you'll end up with several different holsters. Look, I appreciate
the call, thank you sir. Good luck with the search.
And every time you get a new gun, it's a
new holster, right, or maybe two new holsters for that.
And I thought I had this nailed because I've got
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a bunch of different sick pistols, and I got a
bunch of different holsters for my sick pistols. And then
I got the new well new to me, the p
three sixty five axg Legion. Thought, way does that work,
you know, because I've got holsters for the fuse. Nope,
that doesn't work. So I'm on the SIG website buying
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another holster, having it's sent in because I needed another holster, right,
But I do like that pistol. Golly, that thing feels good.
And then this franking gun that I made out of it,
taking the slide and the barrel from a few with
three sixty five fuse and dropping it on top, you
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get a little bit longer barrel. You've got get rid
of the comp which I am a little bit uncertain
about the comp on these guns, whether it does much
good or are you just as well off by lengthening
the barrel a little bit, adding the weight out there,
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and of course with iron sights, if you're shooting irons,
then you get a little bit longer sight radius. But
we shot it a good bit with this franking gun
arrangement and had a red dot on it had the
SIG red dot on it Romeo. It ran like a
top now if you remember when I first got the fuse,
and I love the fuse. I love the way it
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feels everything else. But for whatever reason, the mo I
was using made it a jam omatic. And for the
first god, i'd say, two hundred rounds, it's like every
fourth shot, you know, it was jamming. It wasn't feeding right.
But I kept shooting, and we had several people at
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the range. We just kept traded off and then somewhere
around two of the rounds it just smoothed right out.
It started shooting, and I'm just it's running great right now,
running like a little sewing machine. And loved the feel
of it. So there you go. And I know people
I actually talked to people said, well, you know, I'd
be sending it back if it did that. Well, I
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guess that's the one way to go. But we had
plenty of AMMA, We had several people at the range,
and we had time, and we just kept sending rounds
to it because it was so much fun to shoot. Also,
this is just my way of thinking about it. But
I got to work on my malfunction drills. So there's that.
If you don't hear, if you don't work on malfunction drills,
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if you don't know, I'm talking about if the gun
goes click instead a bang, or jams you know, a
tap rack, or if you absolutely need to, you could
even reload it from your magazine on your magpouchs. If
you don't work on those, you lose the fact that
they are second nature. If you work on them all
the time, when the gun goes click, when it should
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go bang, you immediately tap the magazine back in the bottom,
You come over the top and rack the slide to
throw out the empty or the jam or whatever is
in there, and you get back in business. And if
you do it a lot, you will do it so instinctively,
and so it's like a reaction that you'll never even
think about. You're just back in the game and you're
shooting again. It's one of the things you get from
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going to a dare I say it training? And yes,
I know we are like a broken record, And I'm
not telling you to come here to Range re Ady Studios.
Ryan doesn't tell you to come here. It's his place,
right We tell you to go somewhere, and we don't
care where, but go get training somewhere because unless you
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have done that, you're not as good as you think
you are. And you're probably got to hate to say this.
It's going to tick people off. You're probably not really
very good if you haven't had real training. If you
take issue with that, call me eight six ' six
Talk Gun all right back where they eat six to
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six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham.
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What happens? And then we do a little training and
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Let's go grab Rhano, who's called in from Texas Online
for Rhino.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
What you got there, Tom, Howdy howdy? I got a
Czy seventy five p one. Okay, I don't know if
you're familiar with that pistol.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I had to look it up. I gotta tell you.
I was not familiar with it, but I looked it up.
So I'm looking at it now online.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Okay, Well, I love the thing. My buddy had bought
one and I liked it. And then a gunshop I
do business with in Corpus, they had my buddy who
worked there and called me said, hey, that gun you
were looking at We got to us one in. I
got it for like three fifty, which is about two
hundred less than retail or maybe a little bit more.
Than that. But I took it over to my buddies
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to show it to them, like, hey, look what I
got for three fifty. You know, just rub it in
a little bit. But it's got two different cerial numbers
on it. It's got the manufactured serial number and then
kind of like in a gold stamp, it has another
different serial number. My buddy said to me that it's
like a U N gun or something like the United Nations.
That's like the preferred firearm. I didn't know if you'd
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ever heard of that.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I have not. I know it's the official side arm
of the Czech National Police, but I didn't know about it.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Get you in, sorry, but no, what did you hear
I heard? I heard that it was real popular in
the European gunry, like for police and maybe some Interpol
people have thought it was a real good gun too.
So let me ask you, and I've never owned one before.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
CZ makes really good guns, and I think this was
one of the first ones they made with their new
manufacturing process using C and C machining so that all
the parts fit and you don't have to do hand fitting.
I got a question for you. You got this, uh
double action single action gun, it's got a hammer. It's
not a striker fired pistol. Why did you go with
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the style?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I had a forty before that was a striker fire,
and I'm not real comfortable with the striker fires. That
safety being on the pistol grip and on the trigger.
I just don't like keep one of the pipe like that,
and I'm real fond of I've always had hammer fired
external hammers, So when I found this, I grabbed it
and ended up selling the forty off. But there's also
(25:28):
another thing on it, the slide. Compared to the other
nines I've got and other ones that had in the past,
it looks like the slide just sits on top of
the mechanical part and just slides back. I don't know
how on this pe good gun. It's kind of hard
to explain. But like on the pistol part, the underneath part,
the mechanical part of the pistol, there's like a track
(25:52):
and the slide on the top. When you rack it back,
it's like inside the track. It's got a track that
it slides back across. It's really you know, you have
to look at it a couple of times and even
notice it. If you weren't really paying attention. But I
haven't seen any other pistols like that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, CZ is pretty innovative. I mean, they've been making
good pistols for probably one hundred years at this point. So,
like I say, unfortunately I can't really comment on that
because I don't have one. I not shot one. But
it sounds intriguing. I mean, I guess here's the question
I have for you to find. A question is do
you like this pistol?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Love it? I just wish I could shoot more. I've
got an inupperable neck injury that prevents me from enjoying
a lot of things for too long without having to
go back and sit down. So I shoot it when
I can, but I don't get to spend enough climb
in the range. I can shoot it my property, too,
but I just don't like shooting that much. Just I
go out and pop a couple of shots to make
sure I'm still hitting target, But right, I don't sit
(26:51):
there to spend hours upon hours staying sharp like that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, well, look I appreciate you bringing it up. It's
a CZ seventy five one, one interesting pistol. I got
to look up a little bit more about that. I
appreciate the call right now. Uh, you know, I want
to mention something here. I mentioned triggers earlier and in
our training here in one of the things that Chris
Sereno or key trainer does is he talks about people
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talk about reset trigger reset. It's become a thing. You
pull the trigger and you pined it all the way
to the back. And Ryan talked about this on the
show last week. And then you let it go forward
slowly and hear the click reset. Oh that's cool, it's
got a great reset. That's just dumb. Yes, I said,
that's just dumb. What are you doing. Here's what I
(27:43):
want you to do. When you go out to the range,
one shot at a time, fire the gun, and when
this immediately get back on the trigger. Look, when you
take up the trigger on your pistol, it moves, the
trigger blade itself moves backwards a little bit. And then
you at what Chris calls and other people call the
pressure wall. It stops moving and now you know that
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the next movement is actually gonna make the gun go off.
So you got some play there, some movement before you
get to the pressure wall. The moment you shoot the gun,
you should be getting your finger pulled all the way
back against that trigger until it gets to the pressure wall,
so that really when it comes out of recoil, you've
already taken up the slack and you're at the pressure wall.
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It's ready to go off again. And then when it's
time to shoot, you just come back enough. It's very
little movement and it goes off, and then during recoil.
During recoil you are getting back on the trigger and
taking up the slack and going through that and getting
back to the pressure wall. You will be able to
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shoot much faster. You will be able to shoot much
more accurately once you kind of get comfortable with this
pressure wall idea, and the idea that forget this letting
the trigger year ago forward to you hear click? How
slow is that? It's like, oh, let's do this silly
(29:10):
affectation that slows us down. The whole idea is I
want to shoot faster and more accurately. So during recoil,
you're getting back on the trigger and you're taking up
the slack so that when it comes down from recoil
and your sites get back on the trigger or on
the site on the target. Rather when your sites, get
back on the target. You're ready to shoot the gun.
(29:32):
You're ready to just increase the pressure maybe a pound
or so. And this gets us to that idea of
people say, well, don't touch the trigger till you're ready
to shoot. No, that's not really good advice. You should
absolutely be able to have your finger on the trigger
without shooting. If you can't, we need some serious training.
I mean, you don't always shoot just because you put
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your finger on the trigger. And here's the other part.
For every shot you fire, imagine yourself with the range
or on the target or on paper target. Each time
you fire a shot, you need how many site pictures
you need? Two? You need the first sight picture that
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helps you shoot, and you need the second site picture
after you shoot in case you have to shoot again.
By doing that, you will follow through in your shot.
You will keep your grip on your gun. You will
not let a sag back down, You not look over
the top of the gun. Two site pictures for every shot.
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So if you fire two shots, how many site pictures
do you need? You need three. You see where I'm
going with this, And in the process of doing that,
when it's back on, your sites are back on the target.
Your fingers should have taken up that slack and you
are against the pressure wall. Doesn't mean you're gonna shoot,
but it means you're ready to shoot. If you need two,
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give that some thought. If you're unclear, give me a call.
I'll work it through again. Our numbers eight six six
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
All right, we got to mind up, and now it's
time to go to the phones. Brian's out of Foster,
North Carolina. He's oning to hey, Brian, let's talk training.
What are you thinking? Brian? You there all right? This,
I'll tell you what. Drop down to Paul on four.
Let's grab Paul, see what's going on. Hey, Paul, you're
on gun Talk. What's on your mind? Sir? Hi?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Tom?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Am I listening to you today? And every time you
say it's okay to have your finger on the trigger,
the hair in the back of my neck stands up.
You're moving off the part, leaving off the part where
it's okay as long as it's pointed in a safe direction.
You know that, and I know that, but not everybody listening.
Maybe I disagree with you need to add that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Now I'm talking about when it's pointed at somebody.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Uh. Well, if you're passing some target shooting, you can
leave your finger on the I'm sorry. Your fingers shouldn't
be on the trigger unless it's pointed in a safe direction,
whether you intend to pull it or not.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, what's the safe direction?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Uh, where you're you're not concerned about destroying what the
gun is pointed at, meaning you're not pointing it at
toward people, toward buildings, toward whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, Okay, I generally agree with you what you're saying,
and let me let's go over that because we need
to flesh out the details. If I am shooting at
a target and I need to move like around a barricade,
and it's a barricade that I don't want to shoot
at or wouldn't want to shoot, then I went my
finger's coming off the target. Basically it's on target on
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you know, on sites, sites are on the target. Then
I'm on the trigger. However, in a self defense situation,
I'm going to be pointing it at somebody with my
finger on the trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh yeah, I agreed, okay. And it depends what's behind
them too. I mean, if there's something behind him, you
need to think, okay, yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And look, the reality is in a self defense situation,
if there are people around, there is no safe direction
because you don't know who's going to be moving in
front or behind, and it's a it's a cluster, and
it's awful in all of that. But and I think
this is where we're going to agree on. This is
the key is to have thought about this stuff, you know,
and gone out to the range and practiced and gotten
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training on moving. If you're moving your fingers off the trigger.
If your sites are not on the target, your fingers
off the trigger. But if you I guess the point
I want to make here is putting your finger on
the trigger doesn't mean you're going to fire the gun
every time, and that includes in a self defit situation.
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You're pointing the gun at somebody who's a threat, you
can have your finger on the trigger and not shoot them.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I'm a good with that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I think that we vigorously agree on this.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yes, yes, I just from the number of times you
said in the situations it was I just felt like
the safe direction that was missing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
No, it's a good point. I appreciate that, you know,
and maybe that I was in my head. I'm thinking
everybody knows that. But yeah, that's not a safe assumption.
So you know what happens when you assume, right, Paul,
I appreciate you keep me straight on that. Let's grab
a gem on line one out of Missouri. Jim, you're
on gun Talk. What's up?
Speaker 15 (37:04):
Oh, I got a question for you with this, uh
the shooting of this uh this executive insurance fellow. Oh, yeah,
we don't know much about that, and I'm watching the
news a little bit here and there, and they show.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
A picture of the shooter.
Speaker 15 (37:21):
Shooting at the executive. Uh, I guess I'm not hit man.
I don't know anything about trying to kill somebody or anything.
But wouldn't they go closer? Wouldn't he go closer to
the man?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
You would?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes, target, Yeah, I don't. I don't think this guy
was a professional at all, shooting from like ten feet away,
and in the process the first shot he missed him,
so he flinched or yanked the trigger so badly shot
this guy in the leg from ten feet away. And
you should be able to put all your shots into
a playing card at that distance. So he wasn't very good.
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But yes, to your point, you would think, well, why
wouldn't you just walk up right behind him and get
and close the distance and get right there and shoot him.
So that didn't happen, And so there's an all And look,
you bring up a great point. We don't know much
about what happened. I mean, we know what happened, but
we don't know anything about this guy who did the murder.
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We don't know why he shot at that distance, we
don't know what he was using, we don't know if
he flinched, if he just has a bad shot, if
he yanked the trigger low and left, what was going on?
If they catch him, we may find out. Unfortunately, in
some of these cases, like the guy who shot President Trump,
we may not find out. They may bury it. I mean,
(38:41):
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there's enough of this
stuff where they just we never find out Epstein's list,
did his list? You know, the guy who shot President Trump?
Where's all this information that should be out there? Well,
you know, maybe when Trump's crew gets in, we will
know a lot more, we can hope. Right back, I
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really had fun when I created that acronym in taught,
but it is so true. I never thought of that.
It pops up everywhere, and it's one of the things
that I really enjoy about taking these classes that I
and I like to take classes, these training classes for firearms,
thunder Ranch and gun Sight and sig Academy and down
(39:29):
here at rang Dreading Studios. You get the huh. I
never did it that way, and I never would have
thought about doing it that way, But now that I've
tried it, there's something to it, and it's that old
I never thought of that deal that thing what Chris
was talking about. Look, and I've always heard people talk about,
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you know, the eyes lead the gun. Followers go yeah, fine,
But he had a way of teaching it. It's like, Okay,
we're gonna draw and shoot him this target, he says,
when I say threat, you shoot. He says, stay right there,
and then I'm gonna say, look, don't move your gun.
You look at of the other target, and then he
says threat, and you move to the other target, versus
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just swinging the gun over and looking, which you'll end
up swinging it right past the target every time. But
if you look hard at the target and then move
the gun, it goes right to the target and stops.
It's amazing. So it was threat look threat. Pretty interesting.
So you know, it's that hang around people who think
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about this stuff and then learn how to teach it,
and they try different things and go, okay, well, well
what if we did this and what if we did that?
The other thing that happens. If you're going to these schools,
the instructor should be able to do these things. If
your instructor cannot shoot the drills really well, you might
(40:55):
want to find a different instructor. Frankly, if your instructor
can't it well, or if your instructor is spraying bullets
all over the target and not putting them all into
one little area, you got a problem. I'm not sure
this person can. If they can't do it, they can't
teach it. I mean, that really is true. So be careful,
(41:19):
be discerning. Ask questions. If you're thinking about going to
a class somewhere, find other people who have been to
the class and ask them. Ask the instructor. If it's
somebody you don't know. I mean, look, if it's a
gunsight or thunder ranch or or down here, you are
no you know what's going on. But if somebody you
(41:41):
are not familiar with, ask the instructor for references. If
he or she won't give you references, that's a red
flag for me. It would be well, I protect people's privacy. Great, okay,
I understand that, But is there anybody who's been to
your classes that I can talk to? And if the
answers no, I mean, you still make't one to go.
(42:04):
But there would be a red flag for me. I
would be concerned about that. I'm just going to say
that it is so much fun going to a shooting school,
and I don't care if it's a wing shooting school
or self defense school or long ring shooting school and
learning stuff and becoming a better shot where you just
(42:28):
you get better very quickly. The improvement is rapid in
these Now it may not be okay, I've gone from
you know, to a double a class shooter or whatever.
You maybe not that, but oh I can now draw better,
I can get on target better. I know what to
(42:49):
concentrate on now, I know to think about my trigger,
or I know to tighten up my grip, or I
know that in the middle of a string, if I
start losing the shots and they're drifting, I can actually
do the correction in the middle of shooting a string
of shots, which you will be able to do once
you know what's required and how to diagnose it and
(43:10):
how to fix it. If you want to continue the conversation,
give you a call. We'll put you into the after
show again eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
In the meantime, get out to a little shooting, do
some shopping. There are some great deals right now on
guns and ammo. Check out your local gun stores because
they need the business and you need them to be around. Okay,
(43:31):
be safe out there. Always carry and check your six
when you're shopping.
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