In This Hour:
-- The incredible performance of today's air guns.. Tyler Patner of Pyramid Air explains competition, hunting, and other uses of powerful and accurate guns powered with nothing but air.
-- How to choose between an Browning Auto 5 shotgun and a Remington Wingmaster pump.
-- He lost his pistol while hunting and now wants a replacement.
Gun Talk 12.08.24 Hour 2
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-- The incredible performance of today's air guns.. Tyler Patner of Pyramid Air explains competition, hunting, and other uses of powerful and accurate guns powered with nothing but air.
-- How to choose between an Browning Auto 5 shotgun and a Remington Wingmaster pump.
-- He lost his pistol while hunting and now wants a replacement.
Gun Talk 12.08.24 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
With you here, Tom Gresham here, We've got Ryan Gresham
here because we're hanging out together right now. I'm down
here at the range Grady Studios, cool place down in
Louisian and a great shooting range. Great instruction going on here,
and I'm here to take the Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class
this week. That's going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
One of the things is you run into is occasionally
you run into an entire category of guns that you
didn't know much about or didn't even know existed.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's kind of fun. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean talking about I mean we're talking about
what we're coming up, right, Yeah, yeah, okay, exactly. Yeah,
Well you think about I mean, everybody grows up probably
have shot baby guns and pellet guns and stuff. But
every single time I go back to looking at any
type of air guns lately, I'm blown away.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now it's four had SLAPPINDI or we got Tyler Patner
who's joining us right now and Tyler, I appreciate you
pulling off the road here so I know you're commuting
somewhere to.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Go through the great Wiles out there.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Hey, welcome, Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys, it's great
to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You bet so.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean, we're talking about the way that air guns
have changed in the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, and
people that haven't paid attention they look at it and go,
what are you talking about? And you go, what I mean,
you get hot with them, you do competition with them,
you do all this stuff. I mean, they're just nothing
like what a lot of people grew up with thinking
about air guns, are they No, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Most people have that Daisy Red Rider experience or maybe
Acrossman seven sixty, right, a multi pump rifle or a
BB gun, something very simple and rudimentary. But you know,
the modern air gun market has expanded so broadly. You know,
you've really a lot more what we call PCPs or
pre charge pneumatic gun which you fill from a external
(02:02):
source and obviously big bores in the last probably seven
to ten years have done a lot to really advance
that and perspective on what air guns can do. You know,
hunting the largest game in the world was something that
most people look at an air gun and go, there's
no way. And you know, we've got folks out there
(02:22):
taking Cape Buffalo down with big bore air guns. No,
oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Holy cat.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
All right, So when you say big bore, describe what
you're talking about. How big and how powerful are these airguns?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Sure, so the you know, pyramid air the largest caliber
we sell currently in a rifle barrel anyway, would be
a fifty caliber, so like your your standard five ten
slug is what you'd use in those guns. And those
guns produce in some cases upwards of eight hundred ft
pounds of muzzle energy. So you were talking about a
(02:56):
ton of power with air no power or no fire anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, that's just amazing. When you say they're charged
from an external source, you might explain.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That, yeah, absolutely, so these are done. It's kind of
like a like a higher pressure version of a bicycle pump,
so a bike pomp or a personal compressor, which those
have really advanced as well in the last probably five
years or so. And then you also have tanks, things
like what a firefighter would wear on their back is
(03:30):
probably the easiest. Yeah, exactly exactly. Those are your main options,
and I would say probably the most popular right now
are those personal compressors. These are compressors that are capable
of filling an air rifle all the way up to
forty five hundred PSI and you just plug it into
your wall outletter. In some cases you can run some
(03:51):
of them off of your car battery while the car
is running of course, So you know, it's a very
portable option and very user friendly as well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I mean, and Tyler, when you when you have the
PCP guns, not only is it powerful, but you can
do a lot of things with it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I mean, I know, I was.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I took a couple several years back down to Puerto
Rico and we were doing some iguana hunting with these
and we were making shots I mean, fifty sixty seventy
yards on iguana that and we were not just talking
about hitting the iguana. You have to hit a very
specific area that's the size of a quarter or a dime.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I was just I was.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Really impressed by the performance of these types of guns.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Absolutely. You know, when when you talk about a modern PCP,
you know, the beautiful thing about these guns is that
the prices have come down considerably in the last few years.
So you were talking about guns that retail at three
hundred dollars that are capable of shooting point in iguana
in the head at fifty yards every time, with enough
(04:56):
power to put them down ethically as well, because in
that kind of an since you're talking about twenty two
or maybe twenty five caliber, you know, but even on
the higher end, as you go up in price, those
you know, some of these thousand dollars plus PCPs that
are made for competition and thirty cal for example, those
are guns that are capable of shooting a subma group
(05:16):
at one hundred yards and good conditions. You know, So
you're talking a one inch or better at one hundred,
So you know, you're spending a lot to get that,
don't get me wrong, but it does so quieter than
pretty much any firearm out there, even with a suppressor
in most cases, and with you know, with plenty of
power and obviously great precision.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Probably even if you're buying good pellets, it's a lot
cheaper for them as well, right, compared to like a
shooting a nine millimeter pistol or something.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yeah, certainly you're talking about buying in most cases, probably
one hundred and fifty rounds for eight.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We're out there. Okay, we've got to buy Okay, that's
all right. Let me ask you, maybe obvious from what
you're describing, but there's no reason you can't use one
of these super duper air guns these days to hunt
deer or pigs or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (06:17):
No, Well, it's really where it's legal, and that's kind
of the big part of it, right A. Yeah, So
not every state in the Union, of course, is on
board with air guns, and many states are still kind
of figuring out how they're going to place them. Actually,
there was just a demo from the Airguns Sporting Association
to some of the Western states, I believe, last week
(06:38):
demoing some of these big bores and some of the
aerow firing air guns as well. That's a whole other
category there, showing you know, a lot of these fishing
game folks what these things can do and how ethical
they are for big game hunting. But right now there's
probably twenty five twenty six somewhere in their states that
have some form of larger game REGs on their rule books.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right now, Wow, do you uh is there a place
where you can go to find out where you can
hunt with your air gun.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yes, there is. Actually, we actually have the only air
gun hunting map kind of it's interactive. You can see,
you know, what what game you can hunt in your
state or if you want to go to other states
for specific types of game where air guns are accepted.
What some of the more restrictions things like that, what
those are? You just pyramid air dot com look for
(07:28):
a hunting map and then it'll tell you everything you
need to know and more.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To make sure we spell this right because people going
to com paramid it's it's p ry R A M
Y D A.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I R yeah to you. That's how I always remember Tyler. Now.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
One of the things that's kind of fun about air
guns also is that they're not technically firearms as far
as the regulations go, which kind of lets you do
some different things. So for instance, full auto air guns
sure certainly.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. You know, inside of
maybe two states in the Union. You know, if you
look at some of the more restrictive firearm states may
have specific rags that they don't allow air guns to
be shipped in without a you know, like some kind
of like in Illinois a foid card for example, for
the vast majority of states throughout the country. Yeah, you
(08:24):
can get Filado air guns and that includes guns of
jute pellets or BBS replica air guns, big bore air
guns without really any restrictions at all, the no. Forty
four to seventy three required.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's awesome. Just ordered online, it shows up at your
front door.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And silence or suppressors for them too.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah, most of the guns, actually, most of those PCPs
specifically are integrally suppressed already, so you don't really have
to worry about having to quiet them down further, although
there's a whole kind of after market for doing just that.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Certainly, and obviously these are aren't very loud anyway. What's
the reason why most of them are interally suppressed.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, some of them can be quite loud if you
don't moderate the noise right the big bore specifically, and
I wouldn't equate them to a firearms level of loudness.
It's a very different sound, but they still do you know,
it's not backyard friendly when you're pushing the amount of
air that a thirty five or forty five or fifty
caliber rifle produces, so you know, they certainly are something
(09:29):
you'd want to go to a range for, or if
you have a ton of property, that would not be
an issue. But that's exactly why a lot of folks
will look for an aftermarket solution for that noise, and
also because honestly, having something that's as quiet as possible
is fun, right, that's you know it. In my opinion,
it heightens the enjoyment even more.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, exactly. And there's all sorts of accessories. I'm looking
over your website. I mean you get optics. I mean
people are obviously putting scopes on these, but then it
goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You shoot competition with these, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I shoot a competition specifically called Field Target, which is
kind of for those that are familiar with three D archery,
it's kind of like three D archery but with a
gun and a scope. Okay, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
But there's one hundred yard Ben Truest, there's a bunch
of speed shooting competitions. NRL twenty two has a air
rifle specific division out there, so there's all sorts of
(10:22):
stuff you can do if competing with your air gun
is something that you want to do, and maybe you're
not into the Olympic style shooting because of course that
is another option as well, ten meter Olympic air pistol
or rifle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and those are incredibly accurate gun, maybe the most
accurate guns. I mean they're not firearms, but guns being made.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I would tend to agree with you. I mean, these
are guns that are made to shoot basically, you know,
one hole at ten meters every time if you do
your part, of course, but if you put those guns
in avice, there's you're not going to see anything but
one ragged hole when you, you know, pull back your target.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah. Very cool.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, is that gift giving season? It's okay to give
yourself a gift, right, that's true.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm a big proponent of buying yourself what you want.
That way you're not disappointed.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Well, and probably you don't have something like this if
you're if you've been on this gun journey and it
has it's been since you were a kid where you
messed around with air guns, go look at these guns
that are out there and you go, oh, dang it.
Now there's a whole other category.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That may mean either you're going to fill a hole
in your safe or you may need another safe.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah you might.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yes, I have one specifically for my air guns, so
I think everybody should have one. But of course I'm biased.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Of course, exactly. Hey, Tyler, I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I appreciate you taking a quick break from your drive
going across country. We appreciate that so much. Modern adult
air guns, they're just a whole different thing. Have a
safe trip, sir, Thank you appreciate it. All righty, very cool.
I love that iguan thing that you did. That was
just crazy. It was fun, crazy fun.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
All right, we're gonna take a quick break here.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
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I've been seeing something.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I get all these emails I get on all the
email list of retailers and you know, online sellers of
guns and Ammo and everything. The Black Riding Specials were
deeper discounts and I've seen in a long time, and
sales appear to be continuing properly right through Christmas. I
(15:06):
was thinking about that and thinking what's going on here.
I think what we have is the Trump slump is
real again. That is, after Donald Trump was an elected president.
People are not buying as many guns, They're not buying
as much anima, they're not doing panic buying.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
On the side of the farms industry, people are making
guns and ambo they're looking at that and going, oh wow,
sales just dropped off. So the way is you crank
up sales as you drop prices, and you offer special deals.
And so I'm just getting all these emails of the
super discounts and sign up for this, and I mean
(15:47):
I got one the other day. It's like, okay, yeah,
I can't pass that up. So about two thousand rounds
more of nine milimeters shipping included right to your door.
I'm just wondering what you're seeing and what you're hearing
out there, and what you might be thinking about buying.
Is there something on your list or something you've been
thinking about you going, yeah, I might just do that.
(16:10):
It's it's a very interesting time. There are some crazy
good deals going on, and there are some outlets that
well what they do is they buy up surplus from
gun makers. I'll say, look, if you've got something that
you just want to move, we'll buy it at a
super discount and then they passed the discount along to you, and.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So you can sign up for some of those.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
There are actually places that specialize they get like law
enforcement agency trade INDs. There are a lot of used blocks,
and for some reason, a lot of forty COLI blocks.
I guess maybe there are a lot of departments getting
rid of their forty cows, and so I mean I'm
seeing those you know, two ninety nine you know are
under that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's kind of crazy. The price is out there. Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
By the way, our previous guest, Tyler, was mentioning having
a map where you could hunt with air guns, and
I just looked. It is on the Pyramid Air website
is Pyramid air dot com slash airgun dash map, so
you can see what gun you states allow hunting with
air guns and you can look up to see if.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Your state does. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Pretty cool stuff. And I don't know if you have
one of these types of guns. If you do, I'd
love to get a report. I have to admit I
don't have one of these. I keep looking at them
and thinking they're very cool, but for whatever reason, I
haven't as you if you will pull the trigger on that,
But just wondering, I'd love to get a report from
people who have those and what you think of them. Again,
(17:35):
our numbers eight sixty six Talk Gun Let's go grab
Justin line one out of Arnold, Missouri.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Justin, you're on gun Talk. How can we help you? Hey? Justin?
You're there?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, Tom Hey there, I was. I need some advice
from the great enabler. So I'm an land hunter and
I have to pick between one of two guns, and
then simply because of finance is trying to get debt
paid off things of nature. It's a nineteen seventy three
(18:13):
Browning Auto five Light twelve. It's got twenty six inch barrel,
no rib six modified choke and a mid eighties Remington
eight seventy wing Master twenty gauge lightweight, like it's an
actual lightweight frame. And I am a I've already still
(18:39):
to reload for twelve. But both both are bucket list guns,
and I'm gonna have to kind of flip some stuff
that I don't really use, which I'm okay with doing.
But I mean, you know, obviously the eight seventy the
wing Master there will known for durability, and so is
(19:02):
in the Auto five. Sure, but if there isn't breakage
on the Auto then I got to try and run
somebody down. And I have like in my area, Art
Isaacson from Art's Gun Shop. You know, we're tired from
Browning all yeah, right, and I think his kids are
going to keep the company going. But still, you know,
I both are, I mean, and it's in immacula shape.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay, Well, I got a question for you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
What's the barrel length on the twenty gage models eight seventy.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
They're both twenty six in fixed choke modified.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, of course you can always replace the barrel on
the backshe on both of them. But here's where I'm
going with this. Of the two, and you've shot enough
to understand this. With the Auto five, you get the
classic gun, and probably that's why you're interested in it.
It's because it's classic and there's some memories attached to it.
(20:00):
But I gotta tell you, from the standpoint of having
the best feel a lightweight twenty gauge eight seventy wing Master,
especially with a twenty eight inch barrel, which is going
to be significantly better, You will not believe how much
better it is than twenty six inch barrel. That is
one of the best feeling and swinging shotguns you'll ever
(20:20):
put to your shoulder.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Okay, it may have a twenty eight, it may may
be thinking incorrectly, it may have a twenty eight on it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, and here's the deal. I mean, if you're a
wing s too, you understand probably where I'm going with this.
People always say, well, I like the short barrels because
they are really fast, and they are They're fast to
start and they're fast to stop. And therein lies the problem.
With no weight out there, people tend to stop their
swing and miss behind you don't have the follow through.
A longer barrel would generally help you shoot better, and
(20:53):
a wider choke will always help you shoot better.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Right right, I'm Amber. I talk to you in the past,
asked about duck hunting, and you always talked about if
you're over decoys thrown an icy, if you have entertainable
chokes and you're gonna master, you're gonna be the shooter
of the duck line.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh yeah, it's like I want to I want to
pattern a shotgun pattern the size of a Volkswagon. You know,
I don't want anything to get out of there. So
the wider pattern just makes me appear to be a
better shooter. And look, just I apologize, but I'm going
to be out of time here. I'm going to suggay
you that of the two, if there's one that you say,
I've always wanted this and I just have to have
it go that way. If you're just talking about which
(21:31):
gun is going to be best for wing shooting. Even
though you're set up for reloading the twelve gage and
out the twenty I'm going to suggest you go twenty gauge.
You can find some lightweight, some fairly inexpensive loads for that,
and then when it's time to really get serious about it,
even get yourself some competitions, some skeet loads or traploads,
and you'll find that it patterns great. It's just really
(21:53):
honestly hard to beat the feel of a Remington eight
seventy and the wing Master is the best of the
wings of the eight seventies series.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Smooth and slick and just feels good. And like I say,
I really do prefer the twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Inch barrel over the twenty six. And people are going
two inches, big deal. Maybe not for a lot of people,
but I just think they swing better. We're getting out
over here, Jim and I are talking air guns and
Michelle saying, yeah, I knew something time didn't know. Yeah,
there's a lot to appreciate that, and that whole well
(22:29):
I'm just a girl thing never works.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You understand that, right. We're not gonna let you get
away with that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Because Jim has a forty four magnum rifle or ruger,
and I was thinking it had the car detactable box
magazine and he's describing high loads and everything else.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
We'll pick us up on the after show.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But turns out there's the deer field and then there's
the Carbet He's got the car being which has a
internal tubular type meg so kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I did not know that. Send me pictures of it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So but anyway, we're Jim and looking at the information
about the air guns and what you can hunt in Idaho,
my state. You can hunt bighorn sheep with air kept
(24:30):
shooting it, kept feeding it, kept hosing it down with
some kind of lube, and after about two hundred rounds
it smoothed out. And after about three hundred rounds it's
just reliable as it can be. So it's kind of
food for thought along those lines. Steve's with us. He's
on Line one out of Fargo, North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Steve, interesting story. Talked to me about nineteen eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, in nineteen Hey, Steve, let me ask you, Steve,
or you're on a speaker, can you get off of that?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Police have bluetooth but let me get off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, that'd be great, yeah, because it just sounds horrible.
If we just go straight into the phone, the audio
is so much better. It would be a lot easier
to understand. Except oh, we lost it. We'll try him
his second again. He was trying to get off that.
But yeah, Bluetooth sucks. Just there were it is. Speakers
are terrible. Uh talking into the phones really works well,
and so I mean, I understand the whole bluetooth convenience
(25:25):
aspect of it, But holy cow, is that hard to understand.
Sometimes it sounds like you're in a big tending room.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
By the way, speaking of tenny rooms and hard walls
and the old days of recording music, sometimes they would
actually record in like a bathroom or a room with
hard walls to get a cool echoee kind of a sound.
We try to avoid the whole echoe kind of a sound,
and generally speaking on radio. So anyway, we'll try if
(25:53):
we can get him back here in just a second here.
Uh so, Yeah, when when Michelle tells you on the phone,
no speaker phone and no blue tooth, she actually does
mean that. Okay, So all right, so I'm out of
the range of shooting this nine milimeter new cig P
three sixty five. And it's kind of counterintuitive because the
three sixty five originally was a small, microcompact pistol and
(26:15):
now you've got this twenty one round version. It's got
a longer grip. But I love grip. I love the
texture on it. I love what they did with everything.
If just everybody that picks it up says, man, that
feels so good. We just you know, we got to
shoot this thing, and everybody loves shooting it it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Just as I.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Say, we had to break it in. I fully understand
what people say. Well, I know, for that kind of money,
I shouldn't have to break it in.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Maybe the reality is it takes a lot of polishing,
and the polishing can be done by a gunsmith where
you gotta pay three thousand, five thousand, or somebody of
mine just told me a second ago, he says, yeah,
these guns up to fifteen thousand dollars for these custom
nineteen elevens Now, really, okay, is it worth that to you?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Probably not?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Is it worth that to somebody, Yes it is, otherwise
they wouldn't be selling them out there. So you can
get them pre polished, or you could do it yourself
by flinging a bunch.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Of rounds down range.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And oh, with the price of nine milimeter AMMO today
being low, and trust me it is not compared to
ten years ago. But for right now, nine milimeter AMMO
is cheap. And it brings me back to the thing.
And look, you know where I'm going with this, because
I tell you all the time it is a buyer's
market right now in AMMO. If you're not buying Ammo
(27:43):
right now, you're just holy cow. That was fun. The
Grimlins got us for just a few minutes there. But
we're back with you here, Yes, we are actually here
in twenty twenty four again, glad to be with you.
I was just looking at the the Pyramid Air website
because I did not know, have to admit, I did
(28:04):
not know you could get full auto air guns. And
they got a Crossman M one. It's a basically replica
of VM one. Grand thinks only one hundred and thirty
two and thirty three bucks full auto bb gun cyclic
rate on it is fourteen hundred rounds a minute. That
is really super fast. You would burn up a lot
(28:27):
of BB's in a hurry. With that thing, and what
would it be for? Oh, just have fun, I mean,
nothing more than that. And then I'm looking at the
website and looking at where you can hunt with it,
going to click on my state of Idaho, and you
can hunt not with this gun, but with some of
the PCPs and the larger bores thirty five or forty five.
(28:50):
There are different restrictions for different species big oorne sheep,
elk deer, white tail, and le deer, even moose. The
forty five caliber and they suggest having three hundred and
fifty foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, which would
make sense. But holy, I mean clearly, it would be
(29:10):
a very close range rig, you know, think of it
as a fifty yards an end like maybe like archery.
But man, that would be so much fun, you know.
Depending And you'd have to of course pick your pellets
your projectiles carefully, and these are not gonna be like
your regular pellets. These are big boar pellets or made
(29:30):
four hunting, and you'd have to research that and make
sure you're getting good stuff. Shot placement should be about
the same. Probably I'd be putting it right behind the
front shoulder, trying to get it into the heart lung
region with a good projectile. Use a fifty Cali projectile
and just punch a hole in there. That would be awesome.
But I have to admit once again I keep talking
(29:51):
about you know, this is just an area that I
am not into, and it's always fun when I get
more information on it. So that was fun learning about that.
Let's do this, Jim. Do we take our break or
we need another break here? Okay? So he says we
need to break. In other words, he wants me to
quit talking. I cannot tell you how many people have
told me over the years, would you please just stop talking? No,
(30:15):
not yet, not yet. We're coming up on thirty years
and have been able to shut me down yet. I'm
Tom Gresham. This is gun Talking. If you want to
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There's been a lot of discussion after the murder of
the dot Healthcare.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
CEO in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is that going to affect the movement or the efforts
to try to deregulate silencers or suppressors, And the answer
clearly is going to be yes. It is going to
affect the attempt because we were trying to get the
Hearing Protection Act passed. We're trying to get the restrictions
on buying suppressors removed so that they're not part of
(33:31):
the National Firems Act. The NFA, which is what regulates
machine guns and silencers, got included into that. Well, now
there are more than four million silencers that are owned
by people, four million, so that puts them in common use,
and we should be able to get the restrictions pulled
either through the courts or even better if we could
(33:52):
pass the Hearing Protection Act, which just takes them out
of NFA. The problem is going to be people say, well,
see this guy used a suppressor or silencer. They'll say silencer,
of course, you know, to murder this guy. Yeah, but
didn't make any difference. The guy's guy would have been
dead either way, and people were completely aware of this
(34:14):
murder taking place and the police it did not slow
down the response time. So using a silencer in this
case didn't make any difference whatsoever in terms of this
murder's ability to commit murder, to do the crime. But
you know that's not going to keep the anti gun
folks from using that as a talking point. And so
(34:37):
we will, you know, we'll watch this thing. I'll keep
you posting on it, and you know, we'll talk about
it and if you want to follow it more and
follow what I'm talking about over on x the Elon
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they do things there at gun Talk on X and
I am commenting on this and as well as a
(34:58):
lot of other things, so you kind of get your
gun talk fixed throughout the week. And I linked to
interesting stories and you can find out what's going on,
whether it's second moment stuff or gun rated things or
stupid things that people are saying. It's always fun to
point those out, because you know, we all like to
do that. And let's go chat with Randall. He's on
Lane four out of North Little Rock, Arkansas. Or Randall,
(35:20):
talk to me what's going on here?
Speaker 13 (35:22):
Yes, sir, Hey, I'm just gonna say, you know, I've
lost my Springfield Hellcat nine millimeter in the woods. Oh no,
And I yeah, I never never could find it. And
I was out bow hunting and left it landing against
the trut I mean sitting down against the tree, and
my trek and dog had ran off. When I got up,
(35:44):
it was dark and I never did find that. I
looked every tree on that heel, So okay, But anyway,
I was gonna buy me another one. I really like
that gun. But is there something out there that might
just be a little better than that? Or is that
a pretty good gun? It was a Hellcat nine mail
(36:05):
major Springfield.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Let me ask you this because there are always alternatives,
and a lot of people are different companies are making
different small nine milimeters like that. But look, you already
owned this gun. So the question I have for you
is did you like the gun? Did you shoot it?
Did you shoot it?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Well?
Speaker 13 (36:26):
Man? Shut it? Well? I liked it. I just hadn't
shot too many other ones. And so I'll just lift
to your show today and just thought i'd ask.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You, know, Okay, Well, then here's what I would suggest is, okay,
you got a safe alternative. You know, you already liked
the Hellcat and you had it, so you can always
go get you another one of those, so you're safe there.
The only question is, and I know we all have
this fear of missing out, and so I would suggest
you get yourself to a gun store and handle a
(36:55):
bunch of similar guns and see if there's one that
fits your hand better or you like it better. And
it's even better if they got a shooting range where
you can rent and say, look, do you have one
of those on the rental plan here? Where I could
go out and shoot a box of AMMO through it,
and you know you're either going to find that there's
something you like better or you're going to confirm that
(37:17):
man the hellcat really did it for me, and I
chose will the first time around.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But in the.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Process of doing all that, you're going to have fun
in the shopping experience too.
Speaker 13 (37:29):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. There is a place like that
here in town that I could probably do that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, that'll be fun. And here here's what I will do.
I'm gonna give you a homework assignment. Okay, We're gonna
make you part of the team. What you do that,
and you try different guns, you need to call us
back and tell us which one you ended up settling on.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
Okay, okay, all right, I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Red, I appreciate the call, and sorry you lost your gun.
But them, I wonder if it's camouflage. You know people
do camouflagers, And well, I've got camouflaged guns. And you
put your gun down somewhere, and you walk away, and
you come back and go want where that gun is seriously,
and I put my pack down. Sometimes you go after
after an animal. I've about decided that I'm gonna have
(38:13):
a little like a blaze orange panel that's in my
pack that I can pull out, or even a bridle
of bright colored handkerchief or bandana or something I can
tie on it, because you know, you think, well, I'll
be able to find that, maybe and maybe not. It's
kind of easy. I have heard from a lot of
people who have put down a gun and walked away
(38:35):
and come back. Randall's not the only one. Other people
have lost their guns out in the woods. So there
you go. By the way, let's talk about the concept
of a camouflage wallet. Is that a smart idea? What
are people thinking about that you don't drop it, you
can't find it. I'm going blaze orange all the way,
(38:57):
or maybe one of those chains that connects like a
truck or something. Let's go straight to the phones. Kevin's
calling in Adam irid and Idaho ky id O country.
Up there, Kevin, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Sir?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Hey Tom, I just wanted me to comme in. I've
got a hot sun Mode Lady seven. I got some
pyramid air a couple of years back, and I'll tell
you what. That's thirty yards It goes through a three
quarter inch piece of plywood and into my fence and
my wife is no more shooting nothing in the back yard.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
We're talking a three quarter inch piece of ply when
it goes through, Yes, it goes through.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
It is a twenty two three quarter inch It goes
through that and I can put it within a nickel
every time.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So how do you charge that? What do you use
for the power?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
You just pump it one time, that's all it does. No,
it is a break barrel, and I mean it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So is this your first adult air gun?
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Why did you buy this? What prompted you to do this?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I wanted something I could shoot my backyard.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Now you can't. Ye. Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
You know, if you get yourself like a really good
bullet trap, then it's not the gun that's allowed. It's
the pellet hitting the steel pellet trap that's loud. So
now you're still out of.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Business, exactly exactly. So Yeah, I just want to make
a comment. They're great guns. I mean they're more than powerful.
I mean, oh my gosh, I.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Mean that's like a twenty two rim fire at the least,
and maybe more than that.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, and we're talking thirty yards.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
That is crazy. Man, holy cat, that'd be awesome. Yeah,
it would have you ever hunted.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
With it, I'm not not yet.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, Well, I just look it up. I allowed honey
off a whole bunch of stuff with their guns. They're
just check the rigs. When you go to muley or something,
you've got to have thirty five cow, and then for
moose and elk you gotta have forty five cow. But
you know you're well on your way. Kevin, that's a
great range report, sir. I appreciate that. Thanks for calling them. Yeah,
I gotta check out see you know one how loud
(41:15):
they are, and I know they've got integral suppressures on them.
But also to Kevin's point, it's like, you know, if
you're thinking I'm just gonna be able to shoot it
out there, you need a safe backstop of some sort
that will catch it. And look, if you can't stop
one of these pellets with a three quarter inch piece
of plywood, you're into a different world. You need like
(41:37):
a regular berm like you would use for any regular
firearm that would catch bullets. So I mean, look, I
would have done this, Well, no, I wouldn't. It's not
that I would have done the same. I've done the same.
I did the same thing with a primer powered a
forty five seventy. It was one of those plastic bullets
and just use a primer in it, right, you know
(41:59):
a lot. And I thought, well, this doesn't have much
power in that I can shoot this in the house.
And I thought, I'm going to stop this, say oh yes,
like not much to it. And I had a brand
new blue jean jacket and I said, well, denim, that'll
catch this thing.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It just shot a.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Forty five caliber hole right through my brand new denim jacket.
Went Okay, that's not gonna work. So I kind of
did the Kevin thing, but I did it, you know,
inside the house where I thought I could catch this.
This was many, many years, probably forty years ago. Still
remember that one. Holy cow, So primers are powerful. It
(42:35):
is one of those reminders of things like that. And
if you decide to make up squib loads or practice loads,
just be aware that we're going to treat every gun
as a real gun. If you've got a projector coming out,
it's the real deal. So just be careful out there.
And people do do goofy stuff with their guns. Sometimes
unfortunate don't be one of those people. Take them seriously
(42:56):
no matter what it is all the time, right all
guns are always loaded. That may not actually always be loaded,
But all that means is we're going to treat them
as though they are and we're going to be aware
of our muscles at all times. Careful there. When we
come back, I want to talk a little bit about
some of the other things I picked up from this
class I was taking, and one is that you should
(43:17):
not be afraid to touch the trigger.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You could touch the trigger when you're not going to
shoot the gun.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I mean, because if you can't touch the trigger without
finding the gun, maybe you shouldn't be carrying.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
A loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
With you here, Tom Gresham here, We've got Ryan Gresham
here because we're hanging out together right now. I'm down
here at the range Grady Studios, cool place down in
Louisian and a great shooting range. Great instruction going on here,
and I'm here to take the Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class
this week. That's going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
One of the things is you run into is occasionally
you run into an entire category of guns that you
didn't know much about or didn't even know existed.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's kind of fun. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean talking about I mean we're talking about
what we're coming up, right, Yeah, yeah, okay, exactly. Yeah,
Well you think about I mean, everybody grows up probably
have shot baby guns and pellet guns and stuff. But
every single time I go back to looking at any
type of air guns lately, I'm blown away.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now it's four had SLAPPINDI or we got Tyler Patner
who's joining us right now and Tyler, I appreciate you
pulling off the road here so I know you're commuting
somewhere to.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Go through the great Wiles out there.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Hey, welcome, Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys, it's great
to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You bet so.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean, we're talking about the way that air guns
have changed in the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, and
people that haven't paid attention they look at it and go,
what are you talking about? And you go, what I mean,
you get hot with them, you do competition with them,
you do all this stuff. I mean, they're just nothing
like what a lot of people grew up with thinking
about air guns, are they No, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Most people have that Daisy Red Rider experience or maybe
Acrossman seven sixty, right, a multi pump rifle or a
BB gun, something very simple and rudimentary. But you know,
the modern air gun market has expanded so broadly. You know,
you've really a lot more what we call PCPs or
pre charge pneumatic gun which you fill from a external
(02:02):
source and obviously big bores in the last probably seven
to ten years have done a lot to really advance
that and perspective on what air guns can do. You know,
hunting the largest game in the world was something that
most people look at an air gun and go, there's
no way. And you know, we've got folks out there
(02:22):
taking Cape Buffalo down with big bore air guns. No,
oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Holy cat.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
All right, So when you say big bore, describe what
you're talking about. How big and how powerful are these airguns?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Sure, so the you know, pyramid air the largest caliber
we sell currently in a rifle barrel anyway, would be
a fifty caliber, so like your your standard five ten
slug is what you'd use in those guns. And those
guns produce in some cases upwards of eight hundred ft
pounds of muzzle energy. So you were talking about a
(02:56):
ton of power with air no power or no fire anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, that's just amazing. When you say they're charged
from an external source, you might explain.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That, yeah, absolutely, so these are done. It's kind of
like a like a higher pressure version of a bicycle pump,
so a bike pomp or a personal compressor, which those
have really advanced as well in the last probably five
years or so. And then you also have tanks, things
like what a firefighter would wear on their back is
(03:30):
probably the easiest. Yeah, exactly exactly. Those are your main options,
and I would say probably the most popular right now
are those personal compressors. These are compressors that are capable
of filling an air rifle all the way up to
forty five hundred PSI and you just plug it into
your wall outletter. In some cases you can run some
(03:51):
of them off of your car battery while the car
is running of course, So you know, it's a very
portable option and very user friendly as well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I mean, and Tyler, when you when you have the
PCP guns, not only is it powerful, but you can
do a lot of things with it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I mean, I know, I was.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I took a couple several years back down to Puerto
Rico and we were doing some iguana hunting with these
and we were making shots I mean, fifty sixty seventy
yards on iguana that and we were not just talking
about hitting the iguana. You have to hit a very
specific area that's the size of a quarter or a dime.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I was just I was.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Really impressed by the performance of these types of guns.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Absolutely. You know, when when you talk about a modern PCP,
you know, the beautiful thing about these guns is that
the prices have come down considerably in the last few years.
So you were talking about guns that retail at three
hundred dollars that are capable of shooting point in iguana
in the head at fifty yards every time, with enough
(04:56):
power to put them down ethically as well, because in
that kind of an since you're talking about twenty two
or maybe twenty five caliber, you know, but even on
the higher end, as you go up in price, those
you know, some of these thousand dollars plus PCPs that
are made for competition and thirty cal for example, those
are guns that are capable of shooting a subma group
(05:16):
at one hundred yards and good conditions. You know, So
you're talking a one inch or better at one hundred,
So you know, you're spending a lot to get that,
don't get me wrong, but it does so quieter than
pretty much any firearm out there, even with a suppressor
in most cases, and with you know, with plenty of
power and obviously great precision.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Probably even if you're buying good pellets, it's a lot
cheaper for them as well, right, compared to like a
shooting a nine millimeter pistol or something.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yeah, certainly you're talking about buying in most cases, probably
one hundred and fifty rounds for eight.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We're out there. Okay, we've got to buy Okay, that's
all right. Let me ask you, maybe obvious from what
you're describing, but there's no reason you can't use one
of these super duper air guns these days to hunt
deer or pigs or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (06:17):
No, Well, it's really where it's legal, and that's kind
of the big part of it, right A. Yeah, So
not every state in the Union, of course, is on
board with air guns, and many states are still kind
of figuring out how they're going to place them. Actually,
there was just a demo from the Airguns Sporting Association
to some of the Western states, I believe, last week
(06:38):
demoing some of these big bores and some of the
aerow firing air guns as well. That's a whole other
category there, showing you know, a lot of these fishing
game folks what these things can do and how ethical
they are for big game hunting. But right now there's
probably twenty five twenty six somewhere in their states that
have some form of larger game REGs on their rule books.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right now, Wow, do you uh is there a place
where you can go to find out where you can
hunt with your air gun.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yes, there is. Actually, we actually have the only air
gun hunting map kind of it's interactive. You can see,
you know, what what game you can hunt in your
state or if you want to go to other states
for specific types of game where air guns are accepted.
What some of the more restrictions things like that, what
those are? You just pyramid air dot com look for
(07:28):
a hunting map and then it'll tell you everything you
need to know and more.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To make sure we spell this right because people going
to com paramid it's it's p ry R A M
Y D A.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I R yeah to you. That's how I always remember Tyler. Now.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
One of the things that's kind of fun about air
guns also is that they're not technically firearms as far
as the regulations go, which kind of lets you do
some different things. So for instance, full auto air guns
sure certainly.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. You know, inside of
maybe two states in the Union. You know, if you
look at some of the more restrictive firearm states may
have specific rags that they don't allow air guns to
be shipped in without a you know, like some kind
of like in Illinois a foid card for example, for
the vast majority of states throughout the country. Yeah, you
(08:24):
can get Filado air guns and that includes guns of
jute pellets or BBS replica air guns, big bore air
guns without really any restrictions at all, the no. Forty
four to seventy three required.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's awesome. Just ordered online, it shows up at your
front door.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And silence or suppressors for them too.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah, most of the guns, actually, most of those PCPs
specifically are integrally suppressed already, so you don't really have
to worry about having to quiet them down further, although
there's a whole kind of after market for doing just that.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Certainly, and obviously these are aren't very loud anyway. What's
the reason why most of them are interally suppressed.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, some of them can be quite loud if you
don't moderate the noise right the big bore specifically, and
I wouldn't equate them to a firearms level of loudness.
It's a very different sound, but they still do you know,
it's not backyard friendly when you're pushing the amount of
air that a thirty five or forty five or fifty
caliber rifle produces, so you know, they certainly are something
(09:29):
you'd want to go to a range for, or if
you have a ton of property, that would not be
an issue. But that's exactly why a lot of folks
will look for an aftermarket solution for that noise, and
also because honestly, having something that's as quiet as possible
is fun, right, that's you know it. In my opinion,
it heightens the enjoyment even more.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, exactly. And there's all sorts of accessories. I'm looking
over your website. I mean you get optics. I mean
people are obviously putting scopes on these, but then it
goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You shoot competition with these, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I shoot a competition specifically called Field Target, which is
kind of for those that are familiar with three D archery,
it's kind of like three D archery but with a
gun and a scope. Okay, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
But there's one hundred yard Ben Truest, there's a bunch
of speed shooting competitions. NRL twenty two has a air
rifle specific division out there, so there's all sorts of
(10:22):
stuff you can do if competing with your air gun
is something that you want to do, and maybe you're
not into the Olympic style shooting because of course that
is another option as well, ten meter Olympic air pistol
or rifle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and those are incredibly accurate gun, maybe the most
accurate guns. I mean they're not firearms, but guns being made.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I would tend to agree with you. I mean, these
are guns that are made to shoot basically, you know,
one hole at ten meters every time if you do
your part, of course, but if you put those guns
in avice, there's you're not going to see anything but
one ragged hole when you, you know, pull back your target.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah. Very cool.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, is that gift giving season? It's okay to give
yourself a gift, right, that's true.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'm a big proponent of buying yourself what you want.
That way you're not disappointed.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Well, and probably you don't have something like this if
you're if you've been on this gun journey and it
has it's been since you were a kid where you
messed around with air guns, go look at these guns
that are out there and you go, oh, dang it.
Now there's a whole other category.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That may mean either you're going to fill a hole
in your safe or you may need another safe.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah you might.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yes, I have one specifically for my air guns, so
I think everybody should have one. But of course I'm biased.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Of course, exactly. Hey, Tyler, I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I appreciate you taking a quick break from your drive
going across country. We appreciate that so much. Modern adult
air guns, they're just a whole different thing. Have a
safe trip, sir, Thank you appreciate it. All righty, very cool.
I love that iguan thing that you did. That was
just crazy. It was fun, crazy fun.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
All right, we're gonna take a quick break here.
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I've been seeing something.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I get all these emails I get on all the
email list of retailers and you know, online sellers of
guns and Ammo and everything. The Black Riding Specials were
deeper discounts and I've seen in a long time, and
sales appear to be continuing properly right through Christmas. I
(15:06):
was thinking about that and thinking what's going on here.
I think what we have is the Trump slump is
real again. That is, after Donald Trump was an elected president.
People are not buying as many guns, They're not buying
as much anima, they're not doing panic buying.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
On the side of the farms industry, people are making
guns and ambo they're looking at that and going, oh wow,
sales just dropped off. So the way is you crank
up sales as you drop prices, and you offer special deals.
And so I'm just getting all these emails of the
super discounts and sign up for this, and I mean
(15:47):
I got one the other day. It's like, okay, yeah,
I can't pass that up. So about two thousand rounds
more of nine milimeters shipping included right to your door.
I'm just wondering what you're seeing and what you're hearing
out there, and what you might be thinking about buying.
Is there something on your list or something you've been
thinking about you going, yeah, I might just do that.
(16:10):
It's it's a very interesting time. There are some crazy
good deals going on, and there are some outlets that
well what they do is they buy up surplus from
gun makers. I'll say, look, if you've got something that
you just want to move, we'll buy it at a
super discount and then they passed the discount along to you, and.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So you can sign up for some of those.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
There are actually places that specialize they get like law
enforcement agency trade INDs. There are a lot of used blocks,
and for some reason, a lot of forty COLI blocks.
I guess maybe there are a lot of departments getting
rid of their forty cows, and so I mean I'm
seeing those you know, two ninety nine you know are
under that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's kind of crazy. The price is out there. Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
By the way, our previous guest, Tyler, was mentioning having
a map where you could hunt with air guns, and
I just looked. It is on the Pyramid Air website
is Pyramid air dot com slash airgun dash map, so
you can see what gun you states allow hunting with
air guns and you can look up to see if.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Your state does. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Pretty cool stuff. And I don't know if you have
one of these types of guns. If you do, I'd
love to get a report. I have to admit I
don't have one of these. I keep looking at them
and thinking they're very cool, but for whatever reason, I
haven't as you if you will pull the trigger on that,
But just wondering, I'd love to get a report from
people who have those and what you think of them. Again,
(17:35):
our numbers eight sixty six Talk Gun Let's go grab
Justin line one out of Arnold, Missouri.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Justin, you're on gun Talk. How can we help you? Hey? Justin?
You're there?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, Tom Hey there, I was. I need some advice
from the great enabler. So I'm an land hunter and
I have to pick between one of two guns, and
then simply because of finance is trying to get debt
paid off things of nature. It's a nineteen seventy three
(18:13):
Browning Auto five Light twelve. It's got twenty six inch barrel,
no rib six modified choke and a mid eighties Remington
eight seventy wing Master twenty gauge lightweight, like it's an
actual lightweight frame. And I am a I've already still
(18:39):
to reload for twelve. But both both are bucket list guns,
and I'm gonna have to kind of flip some stuff
that I don't really use, which I'm okay with doing.
But I mean, you know, obviously the eight seventy the
wing Master there will known for durability, and so is
(19:02):
in the Auto five. Sure, but if there isn't breakage
on the Auto then I got to try and run
somebody down. And I have like in my area, Art
Isaacson from Art's Gun Shop. You know, we're tired from
Browning all yeah, right, and I think his kids are
going to keep the company going. But still, you know,
I both are, I mean, and it's in immacula shape.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Okay, Well, I got a question for you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
What's the barrel length on the twenty gage models eight seventy.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
They're both twenty six in fixed choke modified.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, of course you can always replace the barrel on
the backshe on both of them. But here's where I'm
going with this. Of the two, and you've shot enough
to understand this. With the Auto five, you get the
classic gun, and probably that's why you're interested in it.
It's because it's classic and there's some memories attached to it.
(20:00):
But I gotta tell you, from the standpoint of having
the best feel a lightweight twenty gauge eight seventy wing Master,
especially with a twenty eight inch barrel, which is going
to be significantly better, You will not believe how much
better it is than twenty six inch barrel. That is
one of the best feeling and swinging shotguns you'll ever
(20:20):
put to your shoulder.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Okay, it may have a twenty eight, it may may
be thinking incorrectly, it may have a twenty eight on it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, and here's the deal. I mean, if you're a
wing s too, you understand probably where I'm going with this.
People always say, well, I like the short barrels because
they are really fast, and they are They're fast to
start and they're fast to stop. And therein lies the problem.
With no weight out there, people tend to stop their
swing and miss behind you don't have the follow through.
A longer barrel would generally help you shoot better, and
(20:53):
a wider choke will always help you shoot better.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Right right, I'm Amber. I talk to you in the past,
asked about duck hunting, and you always talked about if
you're over decoys thrown an icy, if you have entertainable
chokes and you're gonna master, you're gonna be the shooter
of the duck line.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh yeah, it's like I want to I want to
pattern a shotgun pattern the size of a Volkswagon. You know,
I don't want anything to get out of there. So
the wider pattern just makes me appear to be a
better shooter. And look, just I apologize, but I'm going
to be out of time here. I'm going to suggay
you that of the two, if there's one that you say,
I've always wanted this and I just have to have
it go that way. If you're just talking about which
(21:31):
gun is going to be best for wing shooting. Even
though you're set up for reloading the twelve gage and
out the twenty I'm going to suggest you go twenty gauge.
You can find some lightweight, some fairly inexpensive loads for that,
and then when it's time to really get serious about it,
even get yourself some competitions, some skeet loads or traploads,
and you'll find that it patterns great. It's just really
(21:53):
honestly hard to beat the feel of a Remington eight
seventy and the wing Master is the best of the
wings of the eight seventies series.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Smooth and slick and just feels good. And like I say,
I really do prefer the twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Inch barrel over the twenty six. And people are going
two inches, big deal. Maybe not for a lot of people,
but I just think they swing better. We're getting out
over here, Jim and I are talking air guns and
Michelle saying, yeah, I knew something time didn't know. Yeah,
there's a lot to appreciate that, and that whole well
(22:29):
I'm just a girl thing never works.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You understand that, right. We're not gonna let you get
away with that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Because Jim has a forty four magnum rifle or ruger,
and I was thinking it had the car detactable box
magazine and he's describing high loads and everything else.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
We'll pick us up on the after show.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But turns out there's the deer field and then there's
the Carbet He's got the car being which has a
internal tubular type meg so kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I did not know that. Send me pictures of it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So but anyway, we're Jim and looking at the information
about the air guns and what you can hunt in Idaho,
my state. You can hunt bighorn sheep with air kept
(24:30):
shooting it, kept feeding it, kept hosing it down with
some kind of lube, and after about two hundred rounds
it smoothed out. And after about three hundred rounds it's
just reliable as it can be. So it's kind of
food for thought along those lines. Steve's with us. He's
on Line one out of Fargo, North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Steve, interesting story. Talked to me about nineteen eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, in nineteen Hey, Steve, let me ask you, Steve,
or you're on a speaker, can you get off of that?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Police have bluetooth but let me get off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, that'd be great, yeah, because it just sounds horrible.
If we just go straight into the phone, the audio
is so much better. It would be a lot easier
to understand. Except oh, we lost it. We'll try him
his second again. He was trying to get off that.
But yeah, Bluetooth sucks. Just there were it is. Speakers
are terrible. Uh talking into the phones really works well,
and so I mean, I understand the whole bluetooth convenience
(25:25):
aspect of it, But holy cow, is that hard to understand.
Sometimes it sounds like you're in a big tending room.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
By the way, speaking of tenny rooms and hard walls
and the old days of recording music, sometimes they would
actually record in like a bathroom or a room with
hard walls to get a cool echoee kind of a sound.
We try to avoid the whole echoe kind of a sound,
and generally speaking on radio. So anyway, we'll try if
(25:53):
we can get him back here in just a second here.
Uh so, Yeah, when when Michelle tells you on the phone,
no speaker phone and no blue tooth, she actually does
mean that. Okay, So all right, so I'm out of
the range of shooting this nine milimeter new cig P
three sixty five. And it's kind of counterintuitive because the
three sixty five originally was a small, microcompact pistol and
(26:15):
now you've got this twenty one round version. It's got
a longer grip. But I love grip. I love the
texture on it. I love what they did with everything.
If just everybody that picks it up says, man, that
feels so good. We just you know, we got to
shoot this thing, and everybody loves shooting it it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Just as I.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Say, we had to break it in. I fully understand
what people say. Well, I know, for that kind of money,
I shouldn't have to break it in.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Maybe the reality is it takes a lot of polishing,
and the polishing can be done by a gunsmith where
you gotta pay three thousand, five thousand, or somebody of
mine just told me a second ago, he says, yeah,
these guns up to fifteen thousand dollars for these custom
nineteen elevens Now, really, okay, is it worth that to you?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Probably not?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Is it worth that to somebody, Yes it is, otherwise
they wouldn't be selling them out there. So you can
get them pre polished, or you could do it yourself
by flinging a bunch.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Of rounds down range.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And oh, with the price of nine milimeter AMMO today
being low, and trust me it is not compared to
ten years ago. But for right now, nine milimeter AMMO
is cheap. And it brings me back to the thing.
And look, you know where I'm going with this, because
I tell you all the time it is a buyer's
market right now in AMMO. If you're not buying Ammo
(27:43):
right now, you're just holy cow. That was fun. The
Grimlins got us for just a few minutes there. But
we're back with you here, Yes, we are actually here
in twenty twenty four again, glad to be with you.
I was just looking at the the Pyramid Air website
because I did not know, have to admit, I did
(28:04):
not know you could get full auto air guns. And
they got a Crossman M one. It's a basically replica
of VM one. Grand thinks only one hundred and thirty
two and thirty three bucks full auto bb gun cyclic
rate on it is fourteen hundred rounds a minute. That
is really super fast. You would burn up a lot
(28:27):
of BB's in a hurry. With that thing, and what
would it be for? Oh, just have fun, I mean,
nothing more than that. And then I'm looking at the
website and looking at where you can hunt with it,
going to click on my state of Idaho, and you
can hunt not with this gun, but with some of
the PCPs and the larger bores thirty five or forty five.
(28:50):
There are different restrictions for different species big oorne sheep,
elk deer, white tail, and le deer, even moose. The
forty five caliber and they suggest having three hundred and
fifty foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, which would
make sense. But holy, I mean clearly, it would be
(29:10):
a very close range rig, you know, think of it
as a fifty yards an end like maybe like archery.
But man, that would be so much fun, you know.
Depending And you'd have to of course pick your pellets
your projectiles carefully, and these are not gonna be like
your regular pellets. These are big boar pellets or made
(29:30):
four hunting, and you'd have to research that and make
sure you're getting good stuff. Shot placement should be about
the same. Probably I'd be putting it right behind the
front shoulder, trying to get it into the heart lung
region with a good projectile. Use a fifty Cali projectile
and just punch a hole in there. That would be awesome.
But I have to admit once again I keep talking
(29:51):
about you know, this is just an area that I
am not into, and it's always fun when I get
more information on it. So that was fun learning about that.
Let's do this, Jim. Do we take our break or
we need another break here? Okay? So he says we
need to break. In other words, he wants me to
quit talking. I cannot tell you how many people have
told me over the years, would you please just stop talking? No,
(30:15):
not yet, not yet. We're coming up on thirty years
and have been able to shut me down yet. I'm
Tom Gresham. This is gun Talking. If you want to
join us, give you a call at Tom Talk Gun
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Where he'd been introducing people to in terms of shooting,
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Now we'll be right back.
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There's been a lot of discussion after the murder of
the dot Healthcare.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
CEO in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is that going to affect the movement or the efforts
to try to deregulate silencers or suppressors, And the answer
clearly is going to be yes. It is going to
affect the attempt because we were trying to get the
Hearing Protection Act passed. We're trying to get the restrictions
on buying suppressors removed so that they're not part of
(33:31):
the National Firems Act. The NFA, which is what regulates
machine guns and silencers, got included into that. Well, now
there are more than four million silencers that are owned
by people, four million, so that puts them in common use,
and we should be able to get the restrictions pulled
either through the courts or even better if we could
(33:52):
pass the Hearing Protection Act, which just takes them out
of NFA. The problem is going to be people say, well,
see this guy used a suppressor or silencer. They'll say silencer,
of course, you know, to murder this guy. Yeah, but
didn't make any difference. The guy's guy would have been
dead either way, and people were completely aware of this
(34:14):
murder taking place and the police it did not slow
down the response time. So using a silencer in this
case didn't make any difference whatsoever in terms of this
murder's ability to commit murder, to do the crime. But
you know that's not going to keep the anti gun
folks from using that as a talking point. And so
(34:37):
we will, you know, we'll watch this thing. I'll keep
you posting on it, and you know, we'll talk about
it and if you want to follow it more and
follow what I'm talking about over on x the Elon
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I am commenting on this and as well as a
(34:58):
lot of other things, so you kind of get your
gun talk fixed throughout the week. And I linked to
interesting stories and you can find out what's going on,
whether it's second moment stuff or gun rated things or
stupid things that people are saying. It's always fun to
point those out, because you know, we all like to
do that. And let's go chat with Randall. He's on
Lane four out of North Little Rock, Arkansas. Or Randall,
(35:20):
talk to me what's going on here?
Speaker 13 (35:22):
Yes, sir, Hey, I'm just gonna say, you know, I've
lost my Springfield Hellcat nine millimeter in the woods. Oh no,
And I yeah, I never never could find it. And
I was out bow hunting and left it landing against
the trut I mean sitting down against the tree, and
my trek and dog had ran off. When I got up,
(35:44):
it was dark and I never did find that. I
looked every tree on that heel, So okay, But anyway,
I was gonna buy me another one. I really like
that gun. But is there something out there that might
just be a little better than that? Or is that
a pretty good gun? It was a Hellcat nine mail
(36:05):
major Springfield.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Let me ask you this because there are always alternatives,
and a lot of people are different companies are making
different small nine milimeters like that. But look, you already
owned this gun. So the question I have for you
is did you like the gun? Did you shoot it?
Did you shoot it?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Well?
Speaker 13 (36:26):
Man? Shut it? Well? I liked it. I just hadn't
shot too many other ones. And so I'll just lift
to your show today and just thought i'd ask.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You, know, Okay, Well, then here's what I would suggest is, okay,
you got a safe alternative. You know, you already liked
the Hellcat and you had it, so you can always
go get you another one of those, so you're safe there.
The only question is, and I know we all have
this fear of missing out, and so I would suggest
you get yourself to a gun store and handle a
(36:55):
bunch of similar guns and see if there's one that
fits your hand better or you like it better. And
it's even better if they got a shooting range where
you can rent and say, look, do you have one
of those on the rental plan here? Where I could
go out and shoot a box of AMMO through it,
and you know you're either going to find that there's
something you like better or you're going to confirm that
(37:17):
man the hellcat really did it for me, and I
chose will the first time around.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But in the.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Process of doing all that, you're going to have fun
in the shopping experience too.
Speaker 13 (37:29):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. There is a place like that
here in town that I could probably do that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, that'll be fun. And here here's what I will do.
I'm gonna give you a homework assignment. Okay, We're gonna
make you part of the team. What you do that,
and you try different guns, you need to call us
back and tell us which one you ended up settling on.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
Okay, okay, all right, I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Red, I appreciate the call, and sorry you lost your gun.
But them, I wonder if it's camouflage. You know people
do camouflagers, And well, I've got camouflaged guns. And you
put your gun down somewhere, and you walk away, and
you come back and go want where that gun is seriously,
and I put my pack down. Sometimes you go after
after an animal. I've about decided that I'm gonna have
(38:13):
a little like a blaze orange panel that's in my
pack that I can pull out, or even a bridle
of bright colored handkerchief or bandana or something I can
tie on it, because you know, you think, well, I'll
be able to find that, maybe and maybe not. It's
kind of easy. I have heard from a lot of
people who have put down a gun and walked away
(38:35):
and come back. Randall's not the only one. Other people
have lost their guns out in the woods. So there
you go. By the way, let's talk about the concept
of a camouflage wallet. Is that a smart idea? What
are people thinking about that you don't drop it, you
can't find it. I'm going blaze orange all the way,
(38:57):
or maybe one of those chains that connects like a
truck or something. Let's go straight to the phones. Kevin's
calling in Adam irid and Idaho ky id O country.
Up there, Kevin, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Sir?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Hey Tom, I just wanted me to comme in. I've
got a hot sun Mode Lady seven. I got some
pyramid air a couple of years back, and I'll tell
you what. That's thirty yards It goes through a three
quarter inch piece of plywood and into my fence and
my wife is no more shooting nothing in the back yard.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
We're talking a three quarter inch piece of ply when
it goes through, Yes, it goes through.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
It is a twenty two three quarter inch It goes
through that and I can put it within a nickel
every time.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So how do you charge that? What do you use
for the power?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
You just pump it one time, that's all it does. No,
it is a break barrel, and I mean it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So is this your first adult air gun?
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Why did you buy this? What prompted you to do this?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I wanted something I could shoot my backyard.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Now you can't. Ye. Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
You know, if you get yourself like a really good
bullet trap, then it's not the gun that's allowed. It's
the pellet hitting the steel pellet trap that's loud. So
now you're still out of.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Business, exactly exactly. So Yeah, I just want to make
a comment. They're great guns. I mean they're more than powerful.
I mean, oh my gosh, I.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Mean that's like a twenty two rim fire at the least,
and maybe more than that.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, and we're talking thirty yards.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
That is crazy. Man, holy cat, that'd be awesome. Yeah,
it would have you ever hunted.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
With it, I'm not not yet.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, Well, I just look it up. I allowed honey
off a whole bunch of stuff with their guns. They're
just check the rigs. When you go to muley or something,
you've got to have thirty five cow, and then for
moose and elk you gotta have forty five cow. But
you know you're well on your way. Kevin, that's a
great range report, sir. I appreciate that. Thanks for calling them. Yeah,
I gotta check out see you know one how loud
(41:15):
they are, and I know they've got integral suppressures on them.
But also to Kevin's point, it's like, you know, if
you're thinking I'm just gonna be able to shoot it
out there, you need a safe backstop of some sort
that will catch it. And look, if you can't stop
one of these pellets with a three quarter inch piece
of plywood, you're into a different world. You need like
(41:37):
a regular berm like you would use for any regular
firearm that would catch bullets. So I mean, look, I
would have done this, Well, no, I wouldn't. It's not
that I would have done the same. I've done the same.
I did the same thing with a primer powered a
forty five seventy. It was one of those plastic bullets
and just use a primer in it, right, you know
(41:59):
a lot. And I thought, well, this doesn't have much
power in that I can shoot this in the house.
And I thought, I'm going to stop this, say oh yes,
like not much to it. And I had a brand
new blue jean jacket and I said, well, denim, that'll
catch this thing.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It just shot a.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Forty five caliber hole right through my brand new denim jacket.
Went Okay, that's not gonna work. So I kind of
did the Kevin thing, but I did it, you know,
inside the house where I thought I could catch this.
This was many, many years, probably forty years ago. Still
remember that one. Holy cow, So primers are powerful. It
(42:35):
is one of those reminders of things like that. And
if you decide to make up squib loads or practice loads,
just be aware that we're going to treat every gun
as a real gun. If you've got a projector coming out,
it's the real deal. So just be careful out there.
And people do do goofy stuff with their guns. Sometimes
unfortunate don't be one of those people. Take them seriously
(42:56):
no matter what it is all the time, right all
guns are always loaded. That may not actually always be loaded,
But all that means is we're going to treat them
as though they are and we're going to be aware
of our muscles at all times. Careful there. When we
come back, I want to talk a little bit about
some of the other things I picked up from this
class I was taking, and one is that you should
(43:17):
not be afraid to touch the trigger.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You could touch the trigger when you're not going to
shoot the gun.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I mean, because if you can't touch the trigger without
finding the gun, maybe you shouldn't be carrying.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
A loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I will have more details on that if you want
to join us eight six six talk gun on Time.
Gresson will be right back with more gun talking
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