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-- There's a case to be made for having both a light and laser on your defensive pistol.
-- Comparing pistols with metal frames versus those made of polymer.
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-- An old rifle with a rusted bore might be salvageable by drilling it out -- reboring --to a larger caliber.
-- There's a case to be made for having both a light and laser on your defensive pistol.
-- Comparing pistols with metal frames versus those made of polymer.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's time for the after show. We got Jim Kinzie
and not Michelle today.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Not Michelle.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Hey, Tom Hendy. Hey, oh lordie, you've been to take
care of the phone to do another stuff. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, it's always a good time.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
A cute story to tell you too about that later time.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Oh okay, all right, good deal. But we got guys
who've been hanging for a while. We appreciate their patience.
Let's go grab Kevin fort Smith, Arkansas, Kevin Reborn Rifles.
What's this about?
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Well, I heard you the other day with kJ and
you are talking about reboring. I believe you said ultra lights.
Oh huh to uh three point thirty eight off six
and a friend of mine out in California offered me
(01:27):
a M nineteen oh three Springfield with it's all original.
It was built forty two, I think you said, and
apparently it did get cleaned very often.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
But the rifle is apparently really really clean. Other things
than that, and so it's either got three choices to
see it. Either make a wallhanger out of it, rebore it,
rebarrel it right, and it's never been rebarreled, still has
the original barrel. So thinking about boring to three thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
On six, okay, or you could go thirty five. Oyl.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
That was the other one. And I'm a whimp. I've
had sold shoulder surgery.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And I shot ahe and it just killed me.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean, and they do, they're they're tough.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Yeah, I had a bruise, you know, an old Springfield curtains.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Oh geez, yeah, got yes.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
Yeah yeah, And uh so I've got you know, I
don't have a very very good shoulder for it, and
so I've been told three thirty eight got less.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Recoil a little bit. Let me ask you a question.
This is going to be the critical part. Do you handload?
I do? Okay? Because the three thirty eight out six
is going to be a strictly handloading deal. There's no
factory AMMO for.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It at all, right.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thirty five way in the course you can buy factory AMBO. So,
having said that, if you handload that, actually either one
of them works for you, because you can make lighter
recoiling loads. Right, So I would say if you have
and look, there's not a thin dimes worth the difference
between the two. Really you probably have better selection of
(03:40):
three thirty eight bullets because we have a lot of
three thirty eight calibers three thirty eight win mag and
et cetera. So, and also the three thirty eight Federal
means we have some lighter weight bullets for reducing recoil
with the three thirty eight out six. Go with one
hundreds and eighty green bullet. Load it down just a
(04:03):
little bit and it kills everything you shoot with it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, well that sounds good.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Did you have.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Or who were you talking to about doing your rebar?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
This is going to be really easy for you. You
don't even have to write it down. Yes, three five
caliber dot com, thirty five caliber dot com, Oh okay,
jes rifle reboring. They specialize in thirty five whalam, but
they do others, and I want to say it's like
three hundred and fifty bucks to rebar and get great
(04:40):
reports from people on what they do. U. So yeah,
three five caliber dot Com. I've never used them. I
just know they have a good reputation and I feel
pretty comfortable suggesting them.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The other thing is when you're reloading, you can, of
course start with their thirty out six brass, but can
consider this, if you get thirty five whaling brass, which
you can get now, you don't have to neck it up.
You're just knacking it down. Maybe you're working it slightly less.
I know some people do it that way as opposed
(05:18):
to start with thirty out six. But if you go
with thirty out six brass, the one thing you do
need is make sure that you have a tapered expander
ball in your sizing die.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, I'll write that down.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Okay, yeah, I got a tapered expanded ball because you
want it to be a nice easy transition. As you're
squeezing that neck, you know, making it bigger. You're it's
a thirty caliber and you're going to make it a
thirty three caliber. So the tapered ball works really well.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Okay, that's something that's not a.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You just have to check on the listing depends on
which brand. I think if you buy rating Dies, they
may be the RCBS probably have it. If they don't,
it's like nine or ten bucks to get a tapered
expander ball stem, So it's not a big deal. You
could add that to it.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Hey, Tom, I had a question if if he's going
to be rebarreling or reboring with different bullets that are
out now, would it be worthwhile considering a different twist
rate or do you keep it as this?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
No, absolutely, and talk to the folks at thirty five
caliber dot com at jes re Boring and say, look,
this is the bullet I want to use, probably one
sixties to one eighties. If you're going to be shooting
big like two fifty to two eighty grain bullets, they're longer.
You know, you might want to fast a twist rate.
But honestly, anything under two twenty five or whatever, the
(06:45):
one in ten one in twelve would work fine.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Stocks fine, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not going to
be hunting with it, you know, it's a really heavy rifle, and.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well that'll help when you shoot it.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, take some of that staying out.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Well, look, here's what I would love if you end
up going with JS rifle. We boring, Uh, let us
know how it works out, because, like I said, I've
read a lot about them online and I know people
have used it, but we've never had a real range
report here, so you could be the first.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh yeah, I'll do That'll do? Ye?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Sounds good? Thanks, Kevin, appreciate the call, sir. All right,
take care, let's do this. Let's grab Betty before a break. Here.
Benny's in Corpus Christi, Texas down there on the coast.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Hey Benny, Hey, good afternoon, Tom. Yes, sir, we were
asking about lights and lasers on our everyday carry right right.
I have put one on my A d C and
my backup BDC. It's a oh Light Boulder Mini. It's
(07:57):
an extremely bright white light with a green laser dead
center housed within the white light. Interesting, and you can
choose from one or the other, or have both on
at the same time. And I liked it so much
I had to buy a second one.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Does it not on the rail of your pistol.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It does. Sure, it does, fits right on the rail.
I've got it on my Smith and West MMP two
point zero with a three point six stra berrel and
with the people Holsters made me a holster to fit it,
and it's wonderful. Does it have out my secondary as well?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Does it have a way to side into adjust the
laser to match where you're shooting?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yes, sir, it does with a very very small Alan range.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Right, like teeny tiny little thing.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, extremely small.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yes, I actually we had I had to make an
adjustment down the range and I asked Chris if you
had an Alan wrench for my red dot. He says yeah.
He pulls out this teeny tiny little Alan wrench, but
he's got a huge piece of tape across the ninety
degreeturn so he could find it.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well, then you got to decide you.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
You got to decide where you want those two to cross,
don't you tell you?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, you do. That's interesting point is you know what's
the distance? You know it? I would offer that probably
something like twenty feet would be probably where I would
have them cross, because you've got an offset there they're
not too far apart. It's not that big a deal.
(09:49):
If you're up really close and you're shooting center of
mass on an attacker.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But if you had to make a headshot, a precision shot,
you would want to you know, how far off they are,
and you'd want to do a little shooting with that
at call it five seven feet in case you need to.
I mean, and people are gonna blanche at this. You
gotta choose somebody in the eye. You know, It's like, Okay,
(10:16):
where do I need to put because if you put
the laser on the eye, that's not where the bullet's
gonna go.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Isn't going your cheek or your forehead or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So and then with red dots in this way, of course,
the lasers below, and with red dots the dot is above.
So the bullets gonna hit low when you're using a
red dot, but the bullet's gonna hit high if you're
using a laser mounted on the rail.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Where do you get these eyes to practice with? That's
what I'm oh, you just.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Go to the taxidermy store. They'll sell you a hope
bunch of those eyes.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I hope that helps you out, Benny, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Indeed, I enjoy Thank you gentlemen, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Thank you appreciate the call. Yeah, we were tinkering with
the since most of us were using red dots and
they had us working on the mechanical offset. It's not
as much as on an AR. With an AR, the
red dots or the sites are as much as two
inches above the boar, and you really have to pay
attention to that particular. If you're trying for a headshot
(11:18):
and it's fairly close, well.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah, like an AR, you wouldn't do it at twenty feet.
You'd set it out to what thirty forty yards pens.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You might you might set it up for thirty or
forty feet if it's an in the house defensive gun. Yeah, okay,
you know, so you go think in terms of, for well,
where am I going to be using to what's the
biggest room in my house and set it up for that.
But understanding, okay, But if it's like really close and
I've got to make a you know, I mean the
(11:48):
scenario would be somebody is holding your loved one in
front of them with a knife to the.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Throat and you got two inch slots.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
You've got this you basically you've got eyes up yep,
as you're target all right. If you hold on a
if you had two inch offset, if you held right
on the forehead with or even between the eyes with that,
the bullet's going to hit two to two and a
half inches lower than that.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Okay, you need I mean, you need to know.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You need to know, you need to practice it. You
got to put it in your head. And it's the
same thing with a pistol. You know, if it might
only be an inch and a half or an inch,
but it's something and you need to know what the
difference is.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, and y'all's got taken into consideration how much do
you love the person that's being held? And it all
comes into plaguets.
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Speaker 4 (13:36):
All right, we're back, and I am told I need
to step aside because speaking of beatings, Jim, you have
the floor.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Well I didn't say step aside. I mean being Tom
Gresham's gun talk and all. But I was reading the
you know, we have fifteen thousand things going on simultaneously.
It's like, people say, so, what do you do for
a living? I tell them, what's that like? Well, it's
kind of like air traffic controller. But if I screw up,
nobody dies. So I'm reading the thing real quick to
(14:05):
see what calls we have on holding topics and stuff
and where we're going to go. And I see this
thing and I read it as reborn rifles, right, and
reborn rifles.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's that's where I'm looking at it right here on
my screen. Reborn rifle.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Okay. I was going to take the heat for Tom
there because when he started talking about reboring, I'm like,
that's what he meant.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Reboring rifles. Well, and honestly, times between all the accents
that people have you know. Oh oh, we had a
guy from Massachusetts here for the class and down here
in cajun Land. Did we ever make fun of him?
That was so much fun And he was a good
(14:49):
sport about the whole thing, of course.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yep. Well, yeah, lots lots to pick on.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, exactly, so that that was a hoot.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And uh, but he's a gun he's a gun valley guy,
so you got to be kind.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
This is true. Former cop. We had several former cops
who were spending their own money because to the last one.
They all said, yeah, I thought I was a good shot,
because when I would qualify, they say, yeah, that's really great,
You're doing great. And all they're really saying is you
pass qualification barely. Get off my range. I got other
(15:22):
people to deal with.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
You had eighty six percent? Good enough?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Oh I don't I think, Oh no, it's probably sixty
sixty or seventy. It's not much. And so but these
are people who were serious about Now I want to
tell you about the other two. Two guys from Arkansas,
and they were here on the school system's dime because
(15:48):
they have armed teachers and one is a former coach,
but he's a teacher there and the other is the
superintendent of school.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Awesome, he's the head.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
He's the head, dude, as it should be, and he's
the superintendent. Is shooting a staccado, So we're talking a
twenty seven hundred dollars pistol and he could rock that sucker.
He could flat out shoot. And he said they made
their decision after Newtown Sandy Hook, and then after the
(16:20):
Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Douglastoman down in Florida. They had a
lot of schools came to them say how you do this?
We want to do this. So they kind of came
the test bed for all of this.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Definitely not the kind of guys that are going to
hide and wait for approval.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
They are there. They are going in there, and it's interesting,
superintendent said. He said, look, he said, all of our
teachers would go to save a kid. That's just what
teachers do. He said, We're just giving them the correct tools.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Awesome, and the trug way to put it.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, So I mean they were serious and I'm looking
at them and I talked to him. I said, look,
you need to get this right. And we're talking about
the offset, I said, because you may be shooting in
the middle of a bunch of kids. You've got to
get this right because these are our children who are
depending on you, and we had some very not long,
(17:16):
but heartfelt discussions about it, so you need to We
appreciate them being here. Thank you, guys. Man. They came
all the way down here for this, and I think
they took a lot back in terms of knowledge that
they are now going to take back and used to
teach their teachers.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Hence the diagnostic pistol and instructor.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah. I like it. Yeah, so that was wonderful.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Well, and it's kind of a kind of on topic,
not at all. Uh, how Tom is Tom Hennig's acquiring
color blindness and that may prevent them from hunting next year.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I am so disappointed in my home state right now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait back what all right?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Made up the acquired color blindness?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But but your home state?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Michigan?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Okay, can we give them the stupid price? Right?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:10):
You know, Republicans took over the House in Michigan, and
so the Democrats are using this lean duck session to
just come up with whatever crazy gun laws they can.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Just push through.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Okay, And I had to look this up to make
sure it was true, because when somebody told me that
you can't have a colored gun in Michigan, I said, now,
wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I looked it up, and it's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Which colors?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Can you not have anything that's not a state approved color?
So you can have black or brown or dark gray
or dark green, but say goodbye to Perry of the Platypus.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, and camouflage.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Camouflage that's out too.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
No, Yeah, passed order, they bring it up.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
It's been introduced and sent for review. I don't know
that it's been voted on. There's several others that have
already been voted on in one house or the other
that are you know also like you know, pump stocks
and I hate to say ghost gun because it's just
using their stupid yeah, undocumented parts.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
There you go, you know, homemade guns, which we've been
doing since the before the founding of this republic.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Of course, the logic is, you know, they don't want
anything made to look like a toy gun or.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, but they just don't like guns. They don't like owners,
and they're trying. You know, I'm personally, I'm going paysty
all the way, I love that gym's going maddress.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I was leaving Fusia actually, but.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I knew you wanted to say fushi. I just knew
you did.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
People people are like to customize their their guns with
you know, what is it, Sarah Cota.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Or yeah, all these different patterns of cool stuff and
you know, uh, not to mention the fact that people
customize them put like, you know, flame and cool stuff
all over and decorative.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Cot cars and look.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Arms have been the foundation for art for thousands of years.
Knives and swords, you know, have all sorts of engraving,
and you know, scrimshaw, and you go on and on
and on. Guns have been engraved and had your ivory
grips and whatever for hundreds of years. So you know
(20:27):
when in terms, this is really what they're saying is
it's an anti art law they're trying to pass.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Yeah, So, if you're in Michigan, call your senators, are representatives,
say no on Senate Bill eleven thirty four through eleven
thirty six.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Be sure to use the term fuchia, though, Jim would
be hell it right, Yeah, just spell it right when
pH close enough? Yeah, okay, good deal thought. So jeez
oh oh oh, so one guy in the class, we
switched guns. In the middle of class. He brings out
a really nice Smith and Western MMP in ten milimeter.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And when that sun gun goes off, everybody knows it.
It's like, oh yes, and he was shooting really well.
But where it really showed when we started shooting the
steel Yeah, because you know we hit the spinners with
the nine. You have to hit it and hit it
and hit it and hit it. And he'd shoot that thing.
Whang ooh the ten has spoken. It was really fun.
(21:34):
They rock, Yeah, they do. And you know, I really
like the M and P. We have a uh at
the gun vault here, we've got one of the metal
m and ps and so I hauled it out to
the range and shot it a little bit. Man, that
thing feels good. I really like how that gun shoots.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah. When they when they came out with their first
day hours, that wasn't you'd alluded to early on the show.
That wasn't indicative. That's like a landmark milestone right in
the gun culture.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, when Smith brought that out, it's like, okay, O
line company has now gone to the ar. That is
a culture shift. And then now that they're doing SBRs,
so they get okay, something else is going on here.
I'm paying attention, and not that they're going to be
the first. They're not. And that's the point is that
they're going to be kind of toward the last. But
uh they mark Okay. The market has now changed.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Right well, speaking of market change, three hundred ninety nine
dollars RS are back.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh no, And I just checked online and Brown Els
has the the new Ruger RXm for three ninety nine.
Oh oh yeah. That's a nice pistol.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
And what's coming out is going to be cool because
it's going to be it's gonna be like the RS
of of Yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Have so many different grips, big ones, little ones, different
colored ones, you know, different features, different slides, different course.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
They make the gun affordable because you have to buy
eighty four hundred.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Rounds to put there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That was amazing.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
One have this picture in my head of him sticking
it in the bucket and the burst of steam coming.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh yeah, well, I will tell you I had to
drop my gun one time on the ground during the class.
We were just shooting and shooting and shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting,
and uh, the guy who's partner with Justin, we were
doing the deal where you swap it, he shoots my gun.
He's shooting, shooting, shooting, shoot, shooting and shooting, and he
hands it over to me. So I reached over the
(23:32):
top like I used to do, grabbed the slide and
it was.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Like the palm of your hands after that backwards.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So at the rule there, just in case people don't know,
is if a gun starts to fall out of your hand,
let go of it completely and let it hit the
ground because it will not go off when it hits
the ground. But if if you grab for it, there's
a decent chance you're going to get a finger or
a thumb in the trigger and the barrel may be pointed.
(24:07):
I mean, we've done this with blue guns and try
it over and over and I don't know two three
times out of ten the barrel's pointed at you and
your fingers in the trigger.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Garden point takes months, yep.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, So just let it hit the ground, you know,
get the mud off, go whatever's on there, you know,
clean it. But I mean that sucker was so hot.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So you no longer grab them like that.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
You're telling me, ah, not after a session where you're
putting a couple hundred rounds through it. No, if i'd
had that bucket of water, I'd have shoved it right
in there.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I NBLT is the acronym for that, which is I
never burned like that.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Son of a Yeah, yeah, son of a biscuit. Yeah
that was interesting. But I will tell you that P
through sixty five a X G legion, nice pistol. Yeah,
it's got a metal frame that'suppose to the polymer.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
That that's the one I was telling you about off
air before the show that I sold to my buddy
without even being in the room with him.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And you had a three twenty right, A P three
twenty first?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, no, no, no, I've had it. I still have
a three sixty five. Oh you six, I've had. It's
surgically attached to me. Seriously. It's the only thing I've
carried for a couple of years now, I understand. But
he was looking for one and he said, you know,
what do you think? And I'm like, put your hands
on a few of these. But I'm so he ended
up getting the three sixty five, and I was just
trying to steer him towards a legion. I didn't even
(25:30):
touched one yet. I was trying to steer him towards
it because I just think it's a cool idea. But
he he's going to buy the sig, assuming it feels
right to him. I told him, because he's a musician.
Well not really, he's a drummer.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So you just have to Yeah, you know, I'm right here,
I can hear you. Okay.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh oh shoot, So I told you know that based
on the questions he's asking me, and say yes. He said, well,
do you like it? No, I always carry guns. I
don't like for four years running. Of course I like it.
So he wants to know which one I'm like? Version one?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I mean, but they've gone through so many different changes,
and even now it's not just a change where they'd
let one model go when they come out with something else,
they offer them both.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So I've got an upgrade a change for you to
do to your You've got to stock three p three
sixty five, don't you?
Speaker 6 (26:16):
You are a cruxer?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Uh stand by pull mine out, Uh trich to con
h d sites.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
But I have a holo sun already.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh you got an art a red dot on it.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, I got a red dot with the news came
with the slide. The Hollo soon running a deal. You
get a six slide.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And then I thought you were running irons.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
No no, no, no, okay, And I still got the Crimson grace.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Crimson grace. I like that.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I like crase trigger guard laser. So I've got both.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So you got red dot and laser, so you don't
really know which dot you use.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I've got red dot, green dot, Tracey stop it. Yeah,
and they are converged at about thirty feet.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, cool, Try shooting at about five feet just and
see what the offset is for both the laser and
the red dot. That's going to be an interesting experiment.
And your your target should be about the size of
a nickel. Okay, and hold on that and see where
the bullet goes. You're gonna go. Okay, that's a very
interesting little experiment.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I will give you a report next week. It was
calibrated by Michelle's husband. Actually should calibrated, but I mean,
I guess it's a calibration.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, what's what's you know?
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Just called the glass eye factory for your targets?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Why do you need that many glass eyes, sir.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, yeah, I think it maybe stick on on the cardboard,
maybe a little bit less expensive way to go. Just
say it.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Though, google eyes.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
There's that. Oh oh we can a little bit further away.
You know, it makes a great fun target. Stick them
on the cardboard. Word is rich crackers.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Oh huh, there's along the lines of the cheetos. We've
discussed exactly right.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
React to targets just fun.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
And you just you don't have to clean them up.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
No, no, no, either the birds will get them or
the next rain takes care of it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Now, if it's indoor range, you might not want it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, well yeah, that's their problem, not my problem.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
But then they get rats and you have more targets.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah. I knew it was gonna take a bad turn
somewhere along the way, and there it was. Everybody by
signing on yet yep, there it is all right, jents,
this has been fun. I've gotten three shows down here
range Ready Studios, which is a seriously it's a terrific
place of people to get a chance to come down here.
I know they'll enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yeah, one day they'll have the security people stop shadowing you.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
No, those are my friends.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Now, you guys have a great week, take care of buddy.
You get Tim.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
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So you've made it through three hours of the regular
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's time for the after show. We got Jim Kinzie
and not Michelle today.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Not Michelle.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Hey, Tom Hendy. Hey, oh lordie, you've been to take
care of the phone to do another stuff. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, it's always a good time.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
A cute story to tell you too about that later time.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Oh okay, all right, good deal. But we got guys
who've been hanging for a while. We appreciate their patience.
Let's go grab Kevin fort Smith, Arkansas, Kevin Reborn Rifles.
What's this about?
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Well, I heard you the other day with kJ and
you are talking about reboring. I believe you said ultra lights.
Oh huh to uh three point thirty eight off six
and a friend of mine out in California offered me
(01:27):
a M nineteen oh three Springfield with it's all original.
It was built forty two, I think you said, and
apparently it did get cleaned very often.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
But the rifle is apparently really really clean. Other things
than that, and so it's either got three choices to
see it. Either make a wallhanger out of it, rebore it,
rebarrel it right, and it's never been rebarreled, still has
the original barrel. So thinking about boring to three thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
On six, okay, or you could go thirty five. Oyl.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
That was the other one. And I'm a whimp. I've
had sold shoulder surgery.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And I shot ahe and it just killed me.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean, and they do, they're they're tough.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Yeah, I had a bruise, you know, an old Springfield curtains.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Oh geez, yeah, got yes.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
Yeah yeah, And uh so I've got you know, I
don't have a very very good shoulder for it, and
so I've been told three thirty eight got less.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Recoil a little bit. Let me ask you a question.
This is going to be the critical part. Do you handload?
I do? Okay? Because the three thirty eight out six
is going to be a strictly handloading deal. There's no
factory AMMO for.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It at all, right.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thirty five way in the course you can buy factory AMBO. So,
having said that, if you handload that, actually either one
of them works for you, because you can make lighter
recoiling loads. Right, So I would say if you have
and look, there's not a thin dimes worth the difference
between the two. Really you probably have better selection of
(03:40):
three thirty eight bullets because we have a lot of
three thirty eight calibers three thirty eight win mag and
et cetera. So, and also the three thirty eight Federal
means we have some lighter weight bullets for reducing recoil
with the three thirty eight out six. Go with one
hundreds and eighty green bullet. Load it down just a
(04:03):
little bit and it kills everything you shoot with it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, well that sounds good.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Did you have.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Or who were you talking to about doing your rebar?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
This is going to be really easy for you. You
don't even have to write it down. Yes, three five
caliber dot com, thirty five caliber dot com, Oh okay,
jes rifle reboring. They specialize in thirty five whalam, but
they do others, and I want to say it's like
three hundred and fifty bucks to rebar and get great
(04:40):
reports from people on what they do. U. So yeah,
three five caliber dot Com. I've never used them. I
just know they have a good reputation and I feel
pretty comfortable suggesting them.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The other thing is when you're reloading, you can, of
course start with their thirty out six brass, but can
consider this, if you get thirty five whaling brass, which
you can get now, you don't have to neck it up.
You're just knacking it down. Maybe you're working it slightly less.
I know some people do it that way as opposed
(05:18):
to start with thirty out six. But if you go
with thirty out six brass, the one thing you do
need is make sure that you have a tapered expander
ball in your sizing die.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, I'll write that down.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Okay, yeah, I got a tapered expanded ball because you
want it to be a nice easy transition. As you're
squeezing that neck, you know, making it bigger. You're it's
a thirty caliber and you're going to make it a
thirty three caliber. So the tapered ball works really well.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Okay, that's something that's not a.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You just have to check on the listing depends on
which brand. I think if you buy rating Dies, they
may be the RCBS probably have it. If they don't,
it's like nine or ten bucks to get a tapered
expander ball stem, So it's not a big deal. You
could add that to it.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Hey, Tom, I had a question if if he's going
to be rebarreling or reboring with different bullets that are
out now, would it be worthwhile considering a different twist
rate or do you keep it as this?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
No, absolutely, and talk to the folks at thirty five
caliber dot com at jes re Boring and say, look,
this is the bullet I want to use, probably one
sixties to one eighties. If you're going to be shooting
big like two fifty to two eighty grain bullets, they're longer.
You know, you might want to fast a twist rate.
But honestly, anything under two twenty five or whatever, the
(06:45):
one in ten one in twelve would work fine.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Stocks fine, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not going to
be hunting with it, you know, it's a really heavy rifle, and.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well that'll help when you shoot it.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, take some of that staying out.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Well, look, here's what I would love if you end
up going with JS rifle. We boring, Uh, let us
know how it works out, because, like I said, I've
read a lot about them online and I know people
have used it, but we've never had a real range
report here, so you could be the first.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh yeah, I'll do That'll do? Ye?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Sounds good? Thanks, Kevin, appreciate the call, sir. All right,
take care, let's do this. Let's grab Betty before a break. Here.
Benny's in Corpus Christi, Texas down there on the coast.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Hey Benny, Hey, good afternoon, Tom. Yes, sir, we were
asking about lights and lasers on our everyday carry right right.
I have put one on my A d C and
my backup BDC. It's a oh Light Boulder Mini. It's
(07:57):
an extremely bright white light with a green laser dead
center housed within the white light. Interesting, and you can
choose from one or the other, or have both on
at the same time. And I liked it so much
I had to buy a second one.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Does it not on the rail of your pistol.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It does. Sure, it does, fits right on the rail.
I've got it on my Smith and West MMP two
point zero with a three point six stra berrel and
with the people Holsters made me a holster to fit it,
and it's wonderful. Does it have out my secondary as well?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Does it have a way to side into adjust the
laser to match where you're shooting?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yes, sir, it does with a very very small Alan range.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Right, like teeny tiny little thing.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, extremely small.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yes, I actually we had I had to make an
adjustment down the range and I asked Chris if you
had an Alan wrench for my red dot. He says yeah.
He pulls out this teeny tiny little Alan wrench, but
he's got a huge piece of tape across the ninety
degreeturn so he could find it.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Well, then you got to decide you.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
You got to decide where you want those two to cross,
don't you tell you?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, you do. That's interesting point is you know what's
the distance? You know it? I would offer that probably
something like twenty feet would be probably where I would
have them cross, because you've got an offset there they're
not too far apart. It's not that big a deal.
(09:49):
If you're up really close and you're shooting center of
mass on an attacker.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But if you had to make a headshot, a precision shot,
you would want to you know, how far off they are,
and you'd want to do a little shooting with that
at call it five seven feet in case you need to.
I mean, and people are gonna blanche at this. You
gotta choose somebody in the eye. You know, It's like, Okay,
(10:16):
where do I need to put because if you put
the laser on the eye, that's not where the bullet's
gonna go.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Isn't going your cheek or your forehead or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So and then with red dots in this way, of course,
the lasers below, and with red dots the dot is above.
So the bullets gonna hit low when you're using a
red dot, but the bullet's gonna hit high if you're
using a laser mounted on the rail.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Where do you get these eyes to practice with? That's
what I'm oh, you just.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Go to the taxidermy store. They'll sell you a hope
bunch of those eyes.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I hope that helps you out, Benny, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Indeed, I enjoy Thank you gentlemen, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Thank you appreciate the call. Yeah, we were tinkering with
the since most of us were using red dots and
they had us working on the mechanical offset. It's not
as much as on an AR. With an AR, the
red dots or the sites are as much as two
inches above the boar, and you really have to pay
attention to that particular. If you're trying for a headshot
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and it's fairly close, well.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah, like an AR, you wouldn't do it at twenty feet.
You'd set it out to what thirty forty yards pens.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You might you might set it up for thirty or
forty feet if it's an in the house defensive gun. Yeah, okay,
you know, so you go think in terms of, for well,
where am I going to be using to what's the
biggest room in my house and set it up for that.
But understanding, okay, But if it's like really close and
I've got to make a you know, I mean the
(11:48):
scenario would be somebody is holding your loved one in
front of them with a knife to the.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Throat and you got two inch slots.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
You've got this you basically you've got eyes up yep,
as you're target all right. If you hold on a
if you had two inch offset, if you held right
on the forehead with or even between the eyes with that,
the bullet's going to hit two to two and a
half inches lower than that.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Okay, you need I mean, you need to know.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You need to know, you need to practice it. You
got to put it in your head. And it's the
same thing with a pistol. You know, if it might
only be an inch and a half or an inch,
but it's something and you need to know what the
difference is.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, and y'all's got taken into consideration how much do
you love the person that's being held? And it all
comes into plaguets.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
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Speaker 4 (13:36):
All right, we're back, and I am told I need
to step aside because speaking of beatings, Jim, you have
the floor.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Well I didn't say step aside. I mean being Tom
Gresham's gun talk and all. But I was reading the
you know, we have fifteen thousand things going on simultaneously.
It's like, people say, so, what do you do for
a living? I tell them, what's that like? Well, it's
kind of like air traffic controller. But if I screw up,
nobody dies. So I'm reading the thing real quick to
(14:05):
see what calls we have on holding topics and stuff
and where we're going to go. And I see this
thing and I read it as reborn rifles, right, and
reborn rifles.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's that's where I'm looking at it right here on
my screen. Reborn rifle.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Okay. I was going to take the heat for Tom
there because when he started talking about reboring, I'm like,
that's what he meant.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Reboring rifles. Well, and honestly, times between all the accents
that people have you know. Oh oh, we had a
guy from Massachusetts here for the class and down here
in cajun Land. Did we ever make fun of him?
That was so much fun And he was a good
(14:49):
sport about the whole thing, of course.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yep. Well, yeah, lots lots to pick on.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, exactly, so that that was a hoot.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And uh, but he's a gun he's a gun valley guy,
so you got to be kind.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
This is true. Former cop. We had several former cops
who were spending their own money because to the last one.
They all said, yeah, I thought I was a good shot,
because when I would qualify, they say, yeah, that's really great,
You're doing great. And all they're really saying is you
pass qualification barely. Get off my range. I got other
(15:22):
people to deal with.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
You had eighty six percent? Good enough?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Oh I don't I think, Oh no, it's probably sixty
sixty or seventy. It's not much. And so but these
are people who were serious about Now I want to
tell you about the other two. Two guys from Arkansas,
and they were here on the school system's dime because
(15:48):
they have armed teachers and one is a former coach,
but he's a teacher there and the other is the
superintendent of school.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Awesome, he's the head.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
He's the head, dude, as it should be, and he's
the superintendent. Is shooting a staccado, So we're talking a
twenty seven hundred dollars pistol and he could rock that sucker.
He could flat out shoot. And he said they made
their decision after Newtown Sandy Hook, and then after the
(16:20):
Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Douglastoman down in Florida. They had a
lot of schools came to them say how you do this?
We want to do this. So they kind of came
the test bed for all of this.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Definitely not the kind of guys that are going to
hide and wait for approval.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
They are there. They are going in there, and it's interesting,
superintendent said. He said, look, he said, all of our
teachers would go to save a kid. That's just what
teachers do. He said, We're just giving them the correct tools.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Awesome, and the trug way to put it.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, So I mean they were serious and I'm looking
at them and I talked to him. I said, look,
you need to get this right. And we're talking about
the offset, I said, because you may be shooting in
the middle of a bunch of kids. You've got to
get this right because these are our children who are
depending on you, and we had some very not long,
(17:16):
but heartfelt discussions about it, so you need to We
appreciate them being here. Thank you, guys. Man. They came
all the way down here for this, and I think
they took a lot back in terms of knowledge that
they are now going to take back and used to
teach their teachers.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Hence the diagnostic pistol and instructor.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah. I like it. Yeah, so that was wonderful.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Well, and it's kind of a kind of on topic,
not at all. Uh, how Tom is Tom Hennig's acquiring
color blindness and that may prevent them from hunting next year.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I am so disappointed in my home state right now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait back what all right?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Made up the acquired color blindness?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But but your home state?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Michigan?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Okay, can we give them the stupid price? Right?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:10):
You know, Republicans took over the House in Michigan, and
so the Democrats are using this lean duck session to
just come up with whatever crazy gun laws they can.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Just push through.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Okay, And I had to look this up to make
sure it was true, because when somebody told me that
you can't have a colored gun in Michigan, I said, now,
wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I looked it up, and it's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Which colors?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Can you not have anything that's not a state approved color?
So you can have black or brown or dark gray
or dark green, but say goodbye to Perry of the Platypus.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, and camouflage.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Camouflage that's out too.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
No, Yeah, passed order, they bring it up.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
It's been introduced and sent for review. I don't know
that it's been voted on. There's several others that have
already been voted on in one house or the other
that are you know also like you know, pump stocks
and I hate to say ghost gun because it's just
using their stupid yeah, undocumented parts.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
There you go, you know, homemade guns, which we've been
doing since the before the founding of this republic.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Of course, the logic is, you know, they don't want
anything made to look like a toy gun or.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, but they just don't like guns. They don't like owners,
and they're trying. You know, I'm personally, I'm going paysty
all the way, I love that gym's going maddress.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I was leaving Fusia actually, but.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I knew you wanted to say fushi. I just knew
you did.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
People people are like to customize their their guns with
you know, what is it, Sarah Cota.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Or yeah, all these different patterns of cool stuff and
you know, uh, not to mention the fact that people
customize them put like, you know, flame and cool stuff
all over and decorative.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Cot cars and look.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Arms have been the foundation for art for thousands of years.
Knives and swords, you know, have all sorts of engraving,
and you know, scrimshaw, and you go on and on
and on. Guns have been engraved and had your ivory
grips and whatever for hundreds of years. So you know
(20:27):
when in terms, this is really what they're saying is
it's an anti art law they're trying to pass.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Yeah, So, if you're in Michigan, call your senators, are representatives,
say no on Senate Bill eleven thirty four through eleven
thirty six.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Be sure to use the term fuchia, though, Jim would
be hell it right, Yeah, just spell it right when
pH close enough? Yeah, okay, good deal thought. So jeez
oh oh oh, so one guy in the class, we
switched guns. In the middle of class. He brings out
a really nice Smith and Western MMP in ten milimeter.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And when that sun gun goes off, everybody knows it.
It's like, oh yes, and he was shooting really well.
But where it really showed when we started shooting the
steel Yeah, because you know we hit the spinners with
the nine. You have to hit it and hit it
and hit it and hit it. And he'd shoot that thing.
Whang ooh the ten has spoken. It was really fun.
(21:34):
They rock, Yeah, they do. And you know, I really
like the M and P. We have a uh at
the gun vault here, we've got one of the metal
m and ps and so I hauled it out to
the range and shot it a little bit. Man, that
thing feels good. I really like how that gun shoots.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah. When they when they came out with their first
day hours, that wasn't you'd alluded to early on the show.
That wasn't indicative. That's like a landmark milestone right in
the gun culture.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, when Smith brought that out, it's like, okay, O
line company has now gone to the ar. That is
a culture shift. And then now that they're doing SBRs,
so they get okay, something else is going on here.
I'm paying attention, and not that they're going to be
the first. They're not. And that's the point is that
they're going to be kind of toward the last. But
uh they mark Okay. The market has now changed.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Right well, speaking of market change, three hundred ninety nine
dollars RS are back.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh no, And I just checked online and Brown Els
has the the new Ruger RXm for three ninety nine.
Oh oh yeah. That's a nice pistol.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
And what's coming out is going to be cool because
it's going to be it's gonna be like the RS
of of Yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Have so many different grips, big ones, little ones, different
colored ones, you know, different features, different slides, different course.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
They make the gun affordable because you have to buy
eighty four hundred.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Rounds to put there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That was amazing.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
One have this picture in my head of him sticking
it in the bucket and the burst of steam coming.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh yeah, well, I will tell you I had to
drop my gun one time on the ground during the class.
We were just shooting and shooting and shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting,
and uh, the guy who's partner with Justin, we were
doing the deal where you swap it, he shoots my gun.
He's shooting, shooting, shooting, shoot, shooting and shooting, and he
hands it over to me. So I reached over the
(23:32):
top like I used to do, grabbed the slide and
it was.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Like the palm of your hands after that backwards.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So at the rule there, just in case people don't know,
is if a gun starts to fall out of your hand,
let go of it completely and let it hit the
ground because it will not go off when it hits
the ground. But if if you grab for it, there's
a decent chance you're going to get a finger or
a thumb in the trigger and the barrel may be pointed.
(24:07):
I mean, we've done this with blue guns and try
it over and over and I don't know two three
times out of ten the barrel's pointed at you and
your fingers in the trigger.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Garden point takes months, yep.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, So just let it hit the ground, you know,
get the mud off, go whatever's on there, you know,
clean it. But I mean that sucker was so hot.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So you no longer grab them like that.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
You're telling me, ah, not after a session where you're
putting a couple hundred rounds through it. No, if i'd
had that bucket of water, I'd have shoved it right
in there.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I NBLT is the acronym for that, which is I
never burned like that.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Son of a Yeah, yeah, son of a biscuit. Yeah
that was interesting. But I will tell you that P
through sixty five a X G legion, nice pistol. Yeah,
it's got a metal frame that'suppose to the polymer.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
That that's the one I was telling you about off
air before the show that I sold to my buddy
without even being in the room with him.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And you had a three twenty right, A P three
twenty first?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, no, no, no, I've had it. I still have
a three sixty five. Oh you six, I've had. It's
surgically attached to me. Seriously. It's the only thing I've
carried for a couple of years now, I understand. But
he was looking for one and he said, you know,
what do you think? And I'm like, put your hands
on a few of these. But I'm so he ended
up getting the three sixty five, and I was just
trying to steer him towards a legion. I didn't even
(25:30):
touched one yet. I was trying to steer him towards
it because I just think it's a cool idea. But
he he's going to buy the sig, assuming it feels
right to him. I told him, because he's a musician.
Well not really, he's a drummer.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So you just have to Yeah, you know, I'm right here,
I can hear you. Okay.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh oh shoot, So I told you know that based
on the questions he's asking me, and say yes. He said, well,
do you like it? No, I always carry guns. I
don't like for four years running. Of course I like it.
So he wants to know which one I'm like? Version one?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I mean, but they've gone through so many different changes,
and even now it's not just a change where they'd
let one model go when they come out with something else,
they offer them both.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So I've got an upgrade a change for you to
do to your You've got to stock three p three
sixty five, don't you?
Speaker 6 (26:16):
You are a cruxer?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Uh stand by pull mine out, Uh trich to con
h d sites.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
But I have a holo sun already.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh you got an art a red dot on it.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, I got a red dot with the news came
with the slide. The Hollo soon running a deal. You
get a six slide.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And then I thought you were running irons.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
No no, no, no, okay, And I still got the Crimson grace.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Crimson grace. I like that.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I like crase trigger guard laser. So I've got both.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So you got red dot and laser, so you don't
really know which dot you use.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I've got red dot, green dot, Tracey stop it. Yeah,
and they are converged at about thirty feet.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, cool, Try shooting at about five feet just and
see what the offset is for both the laser and
the red dot. That's going to be an interesting experiment.
And your your target should be about the size of
a nickel. Okay, and hold on that and see where
the bullet goes. You're gonna go. Okay, that's a very
interesting little experiment.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I will give you a report next week. It was
calibrated by Michelle's husband. Actually should calibrated, but I mean,
I guess it's a calibration.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, what's what's you know?
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Just called the glass eye factory for your targets?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Why do you need that many glass eyes, sir.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, yeah, I think it maybe stick on on the cardboard,
maybe a little bit less expensive way to go. Just
say it.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Though, google eyes.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
There's that. Oh oh we can a little bit further away.
You know, it makes a great fun target. Stick them
on the cardboard. Word is rich crackers.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Oh huh, there's along the lines of the cheetos. We've
discussed exactly right.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
React to targets just fun.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
And you just you don't have to clean them up.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
No, no, no, either the birds will get them or
the next rain takes care of it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Now, if it's indoor range, you might not want it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, well yeah, that's their problem, not my problem.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
But then they get rats and you have more targets.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah. I knew it was gonna take a bad turn
somewhere along the way, and there it was. Everybody by
signing on yet yep, there it is all right, jents,
this has been fun. I've gotten three shows down here
range Ready Studios, which is a seriously it's a terrific
place of people to get a chance to come down here.
I know they'll enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yeah, one day they'll have the security people stop shadowing you.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
No, those are my friends.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Now, you guys have a great week, take care of buddy.
You get Tim.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Seve
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