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-- What's the outlook for Second Amendment rights and court cases under a second term for President Donald Trump? Noted constitutional scholar Mark Smith make educated predictions.
-- What has caused the increased interest in revolvers?
-- What to use, and what NOT to use, on your guns.
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-- What's the outlook for Second Amendment rights and court cases under a second term for President Donald Trump? Noted constitutional scholar Mark Smith make educated predictions.
-- What has caused the increased interest in revolvers?
-- What to use, and what NOT to use, on your guns.
Gun Talk 12.22.24 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. I am Tom Grascha.
You know, I've been doing the show here for thirty years.
I've been writing about guns in the Second Amendment for
fifty years, and then of course I am the son
of my dad was a gun writer, and so he
was writing about it for generations before that. And as
a result, I get to go back and see the
things that people were saying in the fifties, in the
(00:33):
forties even and sometimes when it comes to gun rights,
it's a lot of the same stuff. The assaults were there,
people trying to strip us of our second member rights. Actually,
the public opinion is better now than it was even
in the fifties, where the majority of people wanted to
ban the private ownership of handguns. So that's changed significantly.
But the process now takes place, i would say, mostly
(00:55):
largely in the courts, as opposed to in Congress, at
least for the time being. And one of the people
who documents that better than anybody else A most useful resource,
Mark Smith with his four Boxes Diner channel on YouTube.
Mark welcome, Hey Tom. Merry Christmas, Well, Merry Christmas. All right,
(01:16):
here's my question for you. You are a high powered lawyer,
you're a constitutional scholar. Why do you focus so much
on the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, no matter how much money you can make on
Wall Street, Tom, the reality is, none of it matters
if you lose your country. If we lose the second
amount right to keep Mary arms in America, we've lost
the country. So sometimes you have to do what's right
for America. That's more important than more money. And that's
why I think that the Second Amendment is mission critical.
The other thing is there's a lot of misinformation out
(01:47):
there about the Second Amendment, and a lot of it
is you know, pushed for Tom as you know, by
anti gun elite lawyer, any gun elite law professors. And
historically what's going on is you know, they would talk
down to like, you know, professors in Missouri or lawyers like, oh,
what do they know. They're not in New York City,
they're not dealers with Ivy League degrees. We don't even
(02:07):
care what they say. Well, you know, they can't really
do that with my credentials, because my credentials are as
good as, if not better than, theirs. So they can't
just dismiss Mark Smith because you know, Mark's got some
pretty good credentials. Well, and that's the other competitive advantage
that I dealt with.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, yeah, that's why I asked the questions, Like, typically
somebody comes from your background, with the high level of
background that you have would actually be telling us, Oh,
don't worry about that, your little peons, we'll explain this
to you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, that's right, and I think it is a I
am a little bit of an unusual guy in the
sense of I have all the elite credentials, you know,
the New York City experience, the largest law firms on
the planet, all those kind of elite credentials, you know,
law firms at Rockefeller Center in Midtown Manhattan and so
on and so on. But at the end of the day,
you know, I come from two parents that were both
World War Two veterans, and I've always loved America. I've
(02:55):
always been I like to say I wasn't always old
and conservative. I was once young and conservatives. You know,
you got to step up for America sometimes and I'm
not comparing myself to Donald Trump, because he is in
a league of his own. But you know, I think
Donald Trump has similar things where you know, he had
all those elite globalist credentials but really loved America person
foremost and has made a lot of sacrifices to step
(03:16):
up for the country and also for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Mark with my background, of course, I've been watching this,
documenting it being a journalist about this. For like I said,
for fifty years, the consonant is battling. It always goes on,
and there are people who are not. They don't follow
it the way I do, and certainly not the way
that you do. So they they hear little snatches. And
one of the things I wanted to give people a
sense of is that the gun band lobby or I
(03:43):
call it the gun band industry, never stops. They will
never stop. So it's not like we're going to win
this and it's over, is it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
No, The war for freedom never ends, and that's because
the barbarians are always at the searching for weaknesses in
our defenses, trying to sneak in. And I think in
modern day America you may want to call them the Marxist,
whatever you want to call them. There's people that don't
like the American system. They don't like the United States Constitution.
(04:12):
They want to move us to a system like Europe
where you have you know, the elites at the top
and everyone else to serve the subjects at the bottom.
And that's the world they want to move us to.
And I'm happy to report in light of the recent election,
you know, they're still home in America for Americans and
for the US Constitution, which is the greatest document that
ever was created from a legal perspective, and of course,
(04:33):
the United States is the greatest country that's ever existed
in the history of the world, and we don't want
to lose what makes that great?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All right? That leads me to asking you to do
the dangerous thing for a lawyer, which is predicting what
courts are going to do, particularly under a Donald Trump administration.
As you Crystal Ball twenty twenty five, as you're looking ahead,
you know all the cases that are going on, You've
studied the Supreme Court, you know what's going on in
(05:00):
the circuit. What's your sense, how are we doing, and
how do you think it's going to go? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
There's a lot going on, but let me cut to
the most important issue right now that everyone in the
second Amendic community should be focused on. There were three
things that I've been saying Tom that have to occur
for our side to win the trifecta in twenty twenty four.
That was Donald Trump had to win the election, which
allows us to take over the Department of Justice, the
ATF and make progress on that way to stop the
(05:30):
komm La Biden gun control efforts, which we did. The
second thing is we needed the US Senate to be
controlled by the Republicans to make sure that if we
have a Supreme Court vacancy, Donald Trump can nominate the
right person and the Senate controlled by Republicans can get
that person confirmed. I'm happy to report those two legs
of the stool have been satisfied. The third thing, and
(05:51):
this is it, this is the ballgame, is we need
the Supreme Court to grant cert in one or more
of the following three cases, which they're going to decide
in the month of January. That's either the Snope versus
Brown case dealing with AR fifteen bands semi automatic rifle
bands out of Maryland, or the Ocean State Tactical case
out of Rhode Island, which deals with so called large
(06:13):
capacity magazine bands, which as you know, are just standard
capacity magazines. And I would put a two point five case,
maybe a three case, a Gray versus Jennings out of
the state of Delaware, dealing with the standards for when
a court can enjoin, which means to stop the enforcement
of a gun control law. We want the Supreme Court
to grant certain one or more of those cases of Snope,
(06:35):
Ocean State, Tactical, and Gray. And there's a really good
evidence right now, based on what the Supreme Court is
doing with scheduling their docket, that this is clearly what
they are thinking the same way that we're thinking. That
they know they need to take a second amendic case
this term, and they're going to have to take one
of those three cases. I think the other second amendic
cases they're up on search are not quite ready for
(06:55):
one reason or another. And they understand that the AR
fifteen ban case the most popular rife for in America
getting banned in some of these nutty anti gun states.
The Supreme Court understands this is an issue, and I
think we have to keep in mind that you know,
we don't know if Justice Thomas and Justice Toledo are
thinking about retirement of this June. They may want to
clean this up before they leave the court. So that's
(07:15):
another dynamic going on right now. So if that is
what we really want, we want the Supreme Court, if
they take one of those cases, we will undeniably, in
my view, a ninety nine point five percent chance win
the case if they take one or of one of
these cases, and that will be a huge blow to
the anti gun movement and a huge advantage for freedom.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To put a fine point on it, with my Perry
Mason level of law training that I have, which is
what you're describing as cases actually multiple cases which address
the whole idea, can the government ban commonly owned guns? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The entire battle is on that. If we win that,
then the anti gun movement is down to libbling around
the edge. Well, the biggest next issue would be sensitive places,
which is a euphemism for government mandated gun free zones.
That's not really on the agenda for the Supreme Court
right now, right here, right now, that's still getting developed.
I think we'll oftimately be okay on that, but that's
a year or two away, and of course some of
(08:15):
the licensing issues will would probably be a year or
two away. But right now, the Supreme Court has not
granted cert in a Second Amendment specific case for this
term which ends in June of twenty twenty five, and
they're clearly looking to grant cert in one of these cases.
And I think that the gun Dan cases of AR
fifteens and magazines is where they're going to go. And
that is exactly what we want because if they grant
(08:36):
certain one of those cases, Tom, we will have Trump,
we will have a Republican Senate, and they take one
of those cases, We're going to win that case. That
will be a fantastic twelve months for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Hey, let me get you address one thing here. By
me watching your channel and watching how you explain these cases,
I have come to believe that you don't actually have
to have an advanced law degree and experience to understand this.
If somebody like you explains it to us, we're going, oh,
(09:09):
that's really not that difficult to understand. I mean, am
I right here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I think there's a lot that ordinary people, and I
mean that people without law degrees might be extraordinary in
other areas, of course, but you know, people that are
ordinary in the context of the law can really understand
all of this. Now obviously it's like anything else. They're
nuances in terms of you got to understand the justices personalities,
what they're looking for, what they're not looking for. You know,
there's a lot of inside baseball that goes into any profession.
(09:37):
Like there's secret information that you run, you know, one
of the most important radio shows in America, and there's
secret information that you know that other people just wouldn't
know if you don't do that business. But when that said, yeah,
I think that. And again, the one of the reasons
why I do the Four Boxes Diner Channel Tom is
for this exact reason, because I can share with them,
you know, the people that lost the Second Amendic community,
(09:59):
information that they would just not have access to because
exactly most American lawyers do not know what I know.
Most American lawyers can not talk about the dynamic of
the US Supreme Court and how to think about judges.
You know, judges sometimes have, especially the lower court judges,
they have career aspirations too. They want to be on
the Supreme Court. Uh, you know, and you know there's
(10:19):
a lot of things going on here that again, if
you're if you do it and you understand it on
a daily basis, you just know stuffing. I try to
use the four box, a diner platform to share information
and Tom, it's not about I don't care about building
myself up. I want to share this information. So you know,
radio hosts like yourself, you know, you know, people talking
at the gun clubs, you know, people other YouTube influencers
(10:41):
have the correct information and they can force multiplied out
through our community.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, it's a great resource. I got one of the
question for you before I have to hit my brak,
and this is one I just I'm looking at this
the idea of law fare being used against gun companies.
Then this suff just put out this release on it.
What you have is now a whole bunch of state
attorneys general are filing suit against Block for not making
(11:11):
the switches that turn glocks into a full auto. They're
generally imported illegally from China and criminals, they're illegal to have,
they're eagerly to put on a gun. And yet these
city of the states rather are suing Block for somehow
not stopping that. This just seems like more of this
(11:35):
organized attack on the gun industry. I guess trying to
get rid of the PLCAA law.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's right. Let me give you the good news. The
Supreme Court granted cert and is going to hear the
case of Smith and Wesson versus the Government of Mexico.
This is exactly what the government of Mexico was doing.
They were trying to bankrupt the American gun industry. The
Supreme Court's granted cert The only in line the Supreme
Court granted sert here is because they're going to clean
(12:03):
up this nonsense. You do not measure the law, you
don't mention measure constitutional rights by how things can be misused.
Because the Internet can be misused for crimes, the VCRs
and CD players back in the day could be misused
for crimes. Anything can be misused for crime, including baseball bets.
And the Supreme Court, I think is going to nip
this in the butt. And the fact that they granted
(12:23):
certain the Smith and Weston case, which is going to
be argued, I think at the end of January, is
extremely good news for the Second Amendment communique because I
think the Supreme Court is going to write a broad
opinion to say that you cannot hold ordinary law binding
companies responsible for the criminal acts of third party people
over whom you have literally no control. And that's what
the Supreme Court is going to set down, and that
(12:44):
will be used to knock out a lot of these
nonsense lawsuits we're seeing by the anti gun movement.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Mark Smith, your channel The Four Boxes Diner is a
god said, there's a fabulous resource for all of us.
Thank you for spending the time here, but more importantly,
thank you for spending the time and explaining all these
keeping us informed.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
No prom Thanks Tom.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
All right, do you take care? All right? Mark Smith? Yeah,
check it out if you haven't seen it before, The
Four Boxes Diner on YouTube. Once you start your go,
holy cow, I'm learning so much. There you go, All right,
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Speaker 2 (15:43):
There's the open line portion of the show where you
can call in and take me a task on anything
I've said. You disagree with me on something, or you know,
if you agree, that's fine, we can do that as well.
We'll have a little love fest. But basically, if there's
a gun you want to talk about, or a shooting
experience you had, or maybe you were just at the
at the gun store and something interesting happened or you
ran into somebody, I love to hear those stories. As
(16:07):
I said, I have been well. I went down to
Johnny Doury's store in San Antonio. He has two stores
there by the way, and I went to the I
guess they call it the Northern One on four ten,
great store, amazing displays one the people who work there
are just terrific. They make you feel so welcome when
you walk in. If you go there by all means
(16:28):
tell him. I said hi, but also say hey, is
it okay? I'd like to go see some of the
high end stuff because they got at Larry in the
back where you can go back and see some of
the cool stuff. Man, there's some gorgeous guns back there. Wow.
But they always have a lot of stuff going through.
In fact, today's Sunday Sunday is the day that all
of the guns that they put up on gun Broker.
(16:51):
The auctions end on Sunday evening. So if you just
go to Gunbroker and do a search for Dorry's guns,
you'll see all the guns that they put up for
the week. And I asked him, I saidll how do
you come up with the value for those? He says,
we don't. I said what He says, We start them
all at a penny, all the guns that are up
on the auction of Doweries guns. He says, we start
them at a penny. He said, the market we'll figure
(17:12):
out what the price is and whatever they go to
is what they sell for. That's interesting. I mean, I
knew that people do that, but I didn't realize that
Douries being one of the bigger, maybe one of the
biggest dealers people selling guns on gun broker, that's what
they do. So they just started at a pinion and
then see where it goes. And so people say, what's
(17:32):
something worth. It's worth what somebody will pay for it,
and whatever it sells for, that's what it was worth.
And people said, well, I should have gone for more. Well,
evidently not, because if somebody was willing to pay more,
it would have gone for more. So just kind of
what it is. Let's go talk to Benny and Corpus
Christi Texas. He's on too. Benny, I hear you had
(17:53):
a pretty good experience with somebody in the firearms industry.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
I did tom as usual, the Vortex stepped up to
the plate this time. I bought a scope from them
about a year maybe a year and a half ago,
and I did not realize it was supposed to come
with a four inch sunshade tube. A friend of mine
(18:17):
bought the same scope and told me it did, so
I called him and sure, enough. They took my address
out of the system and they sent me that too,
but no charge, along with a brand new hat.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
A god, So did you You didn't have to, like
you did, to provide any evidence. I mean, I guess
they did. You buy it directly from them when you
bought the scope? I did, indeed, Yes, Okay, so they
already had had your information in there and something. I
just forgot to include the sunset shade.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Right, Yeah, I just pol in the box. I didn't
know I was supposed to come with one. I've been
looking online for one and couldn't find it. And fortunately
a buddy of mine bought the same scope.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And so tell me, tell me, how do you feel
about the How do you like your vortex scope? Oh?
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I love it. It's a diamondback HD uh four to
sixteen but forty two. It's real nice. Their glass is
just crystal clear.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, they're making some good stuff, aren't they.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
They really are, they really are.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm looking. I'm looking at their buying. I'm a bino
hand of love binoculars. And oh yeah, I'm really interested
in seeing what they come out with this coming year,
because I know that they have a lot of stuff
in the pipeline, and I particularly I'm looking at everybody's
right now the rains. Finding binoculars I really like because
that way when you're glassing, if you see something, you
(19:54):
just push a button on it and you have an
instant readout of how far it is. And I've been
using some of those for several years. I've got the
really expensive, you know, German made ones because that's the
only companies that had them back then, and now these
other companies are coming out with them. I want to
see what Vortex has, so that's gonna be fun to watch. Hey, Benny,
thank you. That's a great range reportant. I appreciate that.
(20:16):
One of the things that I've said this before, and
I think it's true. You can disagree with me if
you want to, but you be wrong. We all tend
to speak up when we're disappointed in something. We tend
to not speak up when something goes well. I mean typically,
(20:36):
you know, show up at a party and say, wow,
you know I didn't have I did not have a
flat tire on the way over here, you know. But
if you have a flat tire, you're gonna tell everybody
about it. When we contact companies, we tend to expect,
but we contact them with the problem, we tend to
expect a deflection, a denial, or run around not getting
what we want to get out of them. And it
(20:59):
is it's so interesting to me. I mean to the
point where now maybe we just have different expectations. If
they're companies in the firearms industry, gun companies, animal companies,
optics companies, whatever, they generally just take care of you.
They go, okay, fine, we'll send that to you, or
(21:20):
that doesn't sound right. We'll send a box and send
that gun back to us and we'll take a look
at it and then it comes back fixed. Or they'll
say this is what's going on. I can't imagine what
it's like for them. Sometimes they go, well the gun's
working fine, but the shooter's not that good. But you know,
that's a whole different issue. But in our world, in
(21:41):
the firearm's industry, companies just take care of you. It's
kind of crazy. Yeah. Ryan just went up to Vortex
and saw some of the new stuff that they'll be
introducing this year. So it's going to be a whole
roll out of different things, not all at once. I
gat they're kind of rolling throughout twenty twenty five, and
that's the way everything's going one of these stakes. Although
there are gonna be some new things introduced at shot Show.
(22:03):
Where are you even coming to have? Maybe bigger's crossed?
A couple of announcements of guns from gun Talk. Yeah,
that's us. All right, we're back and I'm Tom Gresham
(22:24):
and this is gun Talk. We're kind of all over
the place today. That's okay, I actually I think about it.
That's probably not much different from any other week. We're
on the road today and I'm in h Well, just
north of Austin and the Flugerville Round Rock area. We're
doing our big cross country tour, driving all over the place. Hell,
you'll love this. So two of down here am a
(22:46):
big four SUV and the thing just gets louder and
louder going down highway. So take it to the shop.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Go.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah. I had to replace the hub bearings on three wheels.
I don't know why they didn't do the fourth one.
I guess we'll just wait to that one goes out too.
Something about living on a dirt road in the snow
and the ice and the stuff they put on the
roads up there. It's kind of hard on cars, who'd
known that right? Also, speaking of that, I had somebody
(23:13):
posting online about products to use on guns, and it
actually aks about reloading dies too, and asking about W forty,
and I said, you know, as far as I'm concerned,
I don't think you ought to have WD forty around
guns period. It's not a bad penetrant if you need
to do that, but it's not good at rust prevention,
it's not good at lubrication. And there are a lot
(23:34):
of really good products made for guns. So just and
I know people have their WT forty to put on
squeaky hinges and things like that. It's not even that
good for that. I don't think it just might take.
I don't think it lasts as long as a good oil.
So I don't know what you use on your guns.
(23:54):
If you have a favorite, by all means, give me
a call. I'd love to know, because everybody's always trying
to find out what's the best thing to put on it.
And please don't call me and tell me that you
use transmission fluid. We have better stuff than that. Barry
called in out of Alaska on four. Hey, Barry, you're
on gun Talk. What us pondering about here?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Well, I picked up a new toy. I hain't seen
one in about thirty five years, and I had it
out the range while I was doing duty, and that
one of my regulars a bunch a couple of holes
with my dan Wesson.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Fifteen two ooh ooh, And he.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Said, well, oh, my walls a single action. I said, well,
cock it and our fields begs ring. And then I said, no,
try the double action, and he cut the first hole. No,
(25:00):
my question is, and I've had a pistol pack, but
I had to tell what one of his rent deals
and one is going to college. Cuzy bought dan Wesson.
I don't know why they bought it, and except to
(25:21):
use the name because it's you know, stylish.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right name.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
But they don't make any of their revolvers.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, they're not making their revolvers now, at least not
that I can find anywhere. They're making simply nineteen eleven's.
And I don't know why. But if I had to
guess and see if this clocks with what, you got
to be an older guy. If you like dan West revolvers,
they made fabulous revolvers. They were the revolvers used by
(25:52):
Hing and Silhoettes. Shooters in a lot of competitions because
they were so accurate. Here's my guess is that they
got into it and figured out that it is more
involved to make a good revolver than they thought. You know,
anybody can make a nineteen eleven, honestly, it really can't.
(26:12):
Craik goes out, But to make a really finely touned,
nice revolver typically requires people who really know how to
tune revolver or some of the very best C and
C machines. And they may have looked at that and
just said, you know, the money's not there, because this
was back what ten years ago, fifteen years ago when
CZ bought them, and they thought, the money's not there,
(26:34):
the market's not there. Now having said that, revolvers are
on an upswing, they're coming back strong. You got Taurises
come on strong. Colt is doing some nice things, and
Smith keeps expanding their run. Kimber's making revolvers, for heaven's sakes.
But I'm just thinking that maybe CZ bought these and
came in and said, Wow, it's just more expensive to
(26:54):
make these than we thought. We're just not going to
do that. Does that make sense?
Speaker 9 (26:57):
And I can believe that, but the like you say,
the revolver's market is on the upswing. I had a
Smith and Lesson three twenty five from the performance center,
and I noticed it had a caslated nuts in the muzzle.
(27:23):
So the technology from Dan Wesson is being here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, exactly right. And Smith keeps bringing out new ones,
and Lipses is doing these special runs of cool guns
with Smith. There's just a lot of things going on.
And oh, Lipsey's just brought out a new Ruger, a
Blackhawk in forty one magnum. That's really nice. I like
(27:49):
the looks of it. So there's actually a lot of
interest in revolvers these days, even on the self defense
concealed carry side of things. I appreciate the call, Barry.
I don't know why. All I could do is speculate
and guests that they looked at it. Wow, these are
more expensive to make than we thought. It's harder to
make whatever. Because you know, it's that old deal of
(28:11):
why does something happen? The answer usually percolates down to money.
If there was enough money in it, they would be
doing it, and yet other people are doing it. Like
I say, Taurus has made a phenomenal comeback from frankly
making guns that weren't that good fifteen years ago. They
(28:31):
just weren't and everybody knew it. And the revolvers that
Taurus is making today are really good. I mean they
really you can line them up against some of the
best ones being made today, which I got to tell you,
if you had asked me ten to fifteen years ago,
I would have just thought you're crazy if you suggested
this was going to happen. So that comeback has been amazing.
(28:54):
Kimber's making revolvers, which is really something else. And now
you have a lot of people subtly paying attention to
smaller revolver snubnose if you will, two and three inch
barrel revolvers in not just thirty eight Special, but in
thirty two, thirty two EH and R three twenty seven Federal.
So a lot of interest in those in pocket carry,
(29:16):
appendix carry. And by the way, don't overlook if you're thinking,
I'd like to try appendix carry, but it gives me
the willies. Okay, how about a double action revolver with
a ten twelve fifteen pound double action trigger pull. A
double action only revolver might be what you need to
get you there, to get over that that hump of thinking. Man,
(29:40):
I don't know if I want to do this. I
know of people who have done exactly that, and they've
gone to the smaller revolver as a way to go there.
So just a thought for you there, tell you what
quick break and then it is your time. Eight six
six talk gun, Tom, Talk gun, or you can shoot
me an email Tom at gun Talk. Do you can
(30:00):
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state of technics. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, we get emails. Actually, Gary to send me an
email says I agree with you one hundred percent on
WD forty. It should never be used in firearms or locks.
It at first appears to lubricate, but then gets gummy
and eventually turns into a hard varnish. That has been
my experience. My brother in law used it on a
(32:51):
bolt action on the bolt of his Ruger Model seventy
seven thirty six volt. Said he had a shot at
a moose and the gun went click. I had a
gun smith friend. He had a sign on the wall
and this was way back. Because the prices will give
it away, he says, gun cleaning fifteen dollars, twenty five
(33:11):
dollars if you use WD forty on it, because he
had to really work to get all that varnish, that
stuff off of it. So that's that's been my take
on the W forty thing. Let's grab line three. Randy's
with us out of Michigan. Hey Randy, what do you
have there?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Well, I've got a cold pelagun So one seventy seven
caliber and if I if I hand it to you,
you will expect it to be a forty five acp.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, it's not all.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It weighs the same, it's it's all the same functions.
I bought it as a practice gun because I've got
a Kimber forty five ADP and I've got a say,
the same nineteen eleven style. Well, I can practice with
it very cheap, and I've had it for a number
(34:05):
of years. It's shot great. It's got an eight tillet
cylinder in it with a CO two powered and you
just fire it like you do a semi automatic hand cutting.
But it's not functioning properly, and I'm having trouble getting
the gunsmith that will work on it. I call it Colt.
They don't handle it anymore. They don't deal with it.
(34:27):
They just walked away from it. And I said, that's astonishing. Net.
I buy a Colt product and you guys have no
service on it whatsoever. So I'm looking for a gunsmith
that's willing to look at it. I don't know if
it feels or o ring, what it might be, but
I can hire it once and then the tillet we'll
(34:50):
slide forward enough that it won't rotate in the cylinder.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, I didn't know the place, but Jim, Jim just
sent me a text and the link is air gun
Shop air gun shop dot net. And notice that it's
dot net dot com. Airgunshop dot net and that's his
suggestion of a place to contact them about your airgun.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Okay, well, I appreciate that it's kind of run into
loose ends. But it's a great gun. It's a great
practice one. I use it for years, and what.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
A great idea to use an air gun for practice,
particularly now that they come and they're heavy. They have
the same weight, the same feel, they work the same
way and you can shoot for I was gonna say, pities,
it's less than pennies.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's it's nothing. And the odd thing is it's it's
a registered firearm. I had to go get a purchase
permit to buy it.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Oh my gosh, that should not be the case, because
of course it is really not a firearm according to ATF.
Is that a Michigan thing.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yep, it's got a rifle barrel. And when I bought
it conservative Southwest area here, I bought it in a
Forting goods store. I said, I want it. I had
ccw's at the time, and at for a while there
you could just buy it with having a permit, right,
but I had to actually go to the Ottawa County
Sheriff get a permit, go pick up the gun. When
(36:25):
I get They had just just gone through a lot
of like I said, conservative area and they said, well,
we've got it in back, and they carried it out
undercover as so it was a fully automatic silence oh yeah.
And they made it on the counter and they looked
(36:46):
around to see if anybody was standing there, and I says,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
In the case and this is a Pelant gun.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, it's a Pelagon Give me a break exactly right. Hey, look,
I gotta keep running here. I got to grab Bill
in Quna, Idaho online five before we hit our next break. Here. Bill,
you're up, let's talk a lubbit luby your gun?
Speaker 12 (37:07):
You bet? Tom? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I got you go ahead, sir? Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
You know, many years ago, after I got out of
the Marines with my home weapons, I was using I
don't even like to use the name of that lubricant
because people guys go out and buy it. It's not expensive,
and I went to break free. The deal about the
lubricant you're talking about is real negative. It's over seventy
percent kerosene. And I know that once I found that out,
(37:36):
that mixed with the other chemicals that they have in
it causes that sheen you mentioned. I'm a break Free,
a big break free guy. They have the lubricunts and
the cleaner. I've been using it for years. I'm from Alaska,
all the weapons. I have never had a lubricant problem.
Olough you don't want to overdo it, but anyway, do
(37:56):
not use what you have mentioned. It's a lot of kerose.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
You don't say the name. I love it. Uh, break
Free is good stuff. We've been using that for years.
And the COLP, as far as I know, they may
have been the first company to just talk about cop clean,
lubricate and protect, and break Free still makes a whole
line of good stuff. They've got gun oils and cleaners
(38:21):
and all stuff. So I agree with you, Bill. I
don't think you can go wrong if you go with
break Free CLP. Uh. And that's kind of a one.
Sometimes I'll keep it just a little bottle of the
COLP with me. It's kind of the keep the gun
running kind of stuff. If it starts to run a
little sluggishly, put some of that on it. It cleans
it up, it lubricates it, it gets it, you know,
(38:41):
going again. So it's kind of a first aid kit
for guns and a bottle. I like that idea break
free colp. What do you use on your guns? I'm
just curious eight six ' six talk gun. Also, if
there's a gun you want to tell me about, I
always want to hear gun stories, because that's what we
do here. Hey, let's go to the phones. Ken called
(39:08):
it out of o Flahoma. Ken, what's this you got
at the range here?
Speaker 8 (39:15):
You were talking about even Kimber making revolvers. And I
looked down at my right hand side at my success,
thinking what a fine little gun that is.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Isn't that a nice revolver?
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Man, of course, I shoot thirty eighth in it just clinking.
I'm shooting the twenty two with thirty eight. That is balanced, beautiful,
beautiful trigger. Stack's nice. It's a nice gun.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The first time I picked it up shot it. My
feeding was the term bank vault came to minds like that,
this thing closes up slick like a really well laid safe.
It's just it's just just it's heavy and it is
solid and got a great trigger, and it caught us
all by surprise. With Kimber came out with a revolver
(40:04):
where it's like what, Matt, it is nice. So how
long have you had this?
Speaker 8 (40:10):
I've had it for over a years. So I had
to regrip it immediately because the grip faster grip just
wasn't enough to catch my pinky. Once I did that,
it changed everything.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
And that's that's your carry gun.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
It's one of my one of my carry guns. I
actually called the Range Report. I've got an ultra carry
too that I had never carried because it's such a
pretty gun with the crimp, with the cocobola grips on it.
I ended up regripping it last night with some cool
hand grips that are slim fit. It changed the gun entirely.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's an interesting observation, and I think maybe people don't
understand how much changing the grips on your revolver really
can change the gun.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Totally changed the gun, changes the recoil, the feel of it,
what's hitting in you know as it comes back, so big, improven.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
I'm a huge Kimber fan.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
I only have two right now.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But they're kind of pricey, but well they are, but
you know, but you buy it knowing is going to
last forever.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
Right, you pay, yeah, and you pay for what you
get one other quick comment if I may, And I
recently year and a half ago bought my very first block.
I never owned a block before, didn't think I ever
wanted a block. I bought a Glock forty eight and
it is unbelievable. Also, I have good guns, Tom the.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Forty eight may be my favorite, honestly because of the
slim grip and I actute it and mine has a
really good trigger on it. And I mean, I am
not a huge glock fan, but I like the heck
out of that gun.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
Yeah, this one's been retriggered and I've put a little
ho mini slip on it just to kind of change
the configuration but not make the grip right. It is
again one of my favorite carry games of the three
or four or five that I carry.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And remind me is that I'm trying to remember. Is
that ten shot capacity in that going?
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Yes, okay said, but there's a company that introduced a
fifteen round mag for it. I bought one and it
works very well. They eliminated the hard plastic on the
outside of the glock mag use that space to get
five more rounds in the magazine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Was that shield? Yes, okay, I thought that was it
because I bought a couple of their mags too, So yeah,
you and are on the travel of the same journey here.
But that's a that's a very nice pistol of people
who are thinking, Oh I don't like glocks, they're fat,
they're clunky, or whatever. Take a look at the forty
eight and I think I want to say it's the
forty three X meaning it is. I can't remember the
(42:50):
number on that one, but the forty eight is a
single stack ten shot and you look at that going,
you know, why wouldn't it that that shoots really well
and the carries really well. It's nice and slim. So
just something for you to consider. So a question on
the floor. We have all of these new rifle cartridges
coming out and have been coming out for fifteen years now,
Creed Moores and prcs and other things out there, and
(43:13):
they're being adopted by the long range shooting community and
now long range hunting community. Are they really necessary? What
do you get out of them? We're going to talk
to somebody who actually knows this stuff, who sees a
lot of them shot at various ranges. So the question
is should you buy one of these or should you
stay with your off six. Are you to sympathy? I
(43:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. I am Tom Grascha.
You know, I've been doing the show here for thirty years.
I've been writing about guns in the Second Amendment for
fifty years, and then of course I am the son
of my dad was a gun writer, and so he
was writing about it for generations before that. And as
a result, I get to go back and see the
things that people were saying in the fifties, in the
(00:33):
forties even and sometimes when it comes to gun rights,
it's a lot of the same stuff. The assaults were there,
people trying to strip us of our second member rights. Actually,
the public opinion is better now than it was even
in the fifties, where the majority of people wanted to
ban the private ownership of handguns. So that's changed significantly.
But the process now takes place, i would say, mostly
(00:55):
largely in the courts, as opposed to in Congress, at
least for the time being. And one of the people
who documents that better than anybody else A most useful resource,
Mark Smith with his four Boxes Diner channel on YouTube.
Mark welcome, Hey Tom. Merry Christmas, Well, Merry Christmas. All right,
(01:16):
here's my question for you. You are a high powered lawyer,
you're a constitutional scholar. Why do you focus so much
on the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, no matter how much money you can make on
Wall Street, Tom, the reality is, none of it matters
if you lose your country. If we lose the second
amount right to keep Mary arms in America, we've lost
the country. So sometimes you have to do what's right
for America. That's more important than more money. And that's
why I think that the Second Amendment is mission critical.
The other thing is there's a lot of misinformation out
(01:47):
there about the Second Amendment, and a lot of it
is you know, pushed for Tom as you know, by
anti gun elite lawyer, any gun elite law professors. And
historically what's going on is you know, they would talk
down to like, you know, professors in Missouri or lawyers like, oh,
what do they know. They're not in New York City,
they're not dealers with Ivy League degrees. We don't even
(02:07):
care what they say. Well, you know, they can't really
do that with my credentials, because my credentials are as
good as, if not better than, theirs. So they can't
just dismiss Mark Smith because you know, Mark's got some
pretty good credentials. Well, and that's the other competitive advantage
that I dealt with.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, yeah, that's why I asked the questions, Like, typically
somebody comes from your background, with the high level of
background that you have would actually be telling us, Oh,
don't worry about that, your little peons, we'll explain this
to you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, that's right, and I think it is a I
am a little bit of an unusual guy in the
sense of I have all the elite credentials, you know,
the New York City experience, the largest law firms on
the planet, all those kind of elite credentials, you know,
law firms at Rockefeller Center in Midtown Manhattan and so
on and so on. But at the end of the day,
you know, I come from two parents that were both
World War Two veterans, and I've always loved America. I've
(02:55):
always been I like to say I wasn't always old
and conservative. I was once young and conservatives. You know,
you got to step up for America sometimes and I'm
not comparing myself to Donald Trump, because he is in
a league of his own. But you know, I think
Donald Trump has similar things where you know, he had
all those elite globalist credentials but really loved America person
foremost and has made a lot of sacrifices to step
(03:16):
up for the country and also for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Mark with my background, of course, I've been watching this,
documenting it being a journalist about this. For like I said,
for fifty years, the consonant is battling. It always goes on,
and there are people who are not. They don't follow
it the way I do, and certainly not the way
that you do. So they they hear little snatches. And
one of the things I wanted to give people a
sense of is that the gun band lobby or I
(03:43):
call it the gun band industry, never stops. They will
never stop. So it's not like we're going to win
this and it's over, is it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
No, The war for freedom never ends, and that's because
the barbarians are always at the searching for weaknesses in
our defenses, trying to sneak in. And I think in
modern day America you may want to call them the Marxist,
whatever you want to call them. There's people that don't
like the American system. They don't like the United States Constitution.
(04:12):
They want to move us to a system like Europe
where you have you know, the elites at the top
and everyone else to serve the subjects at the bottom.
And that's the world they want to move us to.
And I'm happy to report in light of the recent election,
you know, they're still home in America for Americans and
for the US Constitution, which is the greatest document that
ever was created from a legal perspective, and of course,
(04:33):
the United States is the greatest country that's ever existed
in the history of the world, and we don't want
to lose what makes that great?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All right? That leads me to asking you to do
the dangerous thing for a lawyer, which is predicting what
courts are going to do, particularly under a Donald Trump administration.
As you Crystal Ball twenty twenty five, as you're looking ahead,
you know all the cases that are going on, You've
studied the Supreme Court, you know what's going on in
(05:00):
the circuit. What's your sense, how are we doing, and
how do you think it's going to go? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
There's a lot going on, but let me cut to
the most important issue right now that everyone in the
second Amendic community should be focused on. There were three
things that I've been saying Tom that have to occur
for our side to win the trifecta in twenty twenty four.
That was Donald Trump had to win the election, which
allows us to take over the Department of Justice, the
ATF and make progress on that way to stop the
(05:30):
komm La Biden gun control efforts, which we did. The
second thing is we needed the US Senate to be
controlled by the Republicans to make sure that if we
have a Supreme Court vacancy, Donald Trump can nominate the
right person and the Senate controlled by Republicans can get
that person confirmed. I'm happy to report those two legs
of the stool have been satisfied. The third thing, and
(05:51):
this is it, this is the ballgame, is we need
the Supreme Court to grant cert in one or more
of the following three cases, which they're going to decide
in the month of January. That's either the Snope versus
Brown case dealing with AR fifteen bands semi automatic rifle
bands out of Maryland, or the Ocean State Tactical case
out of Rhode Island, which deals with so called large
(06:13):
capacity magazine bands, which as you know, are just standard
capacity magazines. And I would put a two point five case,
maybe a three case, a Gray versus Jennings out of
the state of Delaware, dealing with the standards for when
a court can enjoin, which means to stop the enforcement
of a gun control law. We want the Supreme Court
to grant certain one or more of those cases of Snope,
(06:35):
Ocean State, Tactical, and Gray. And there's a really good
evidence right now, based on what the Supreme Court is
doing with scheduling their docket, that this is clearly what
they are thinking the same way that we're thinking. That
they know they need to take a second amendic case
this term, and they're going to have to take one
of those three cases. I think the other second amendic
cases they're up on search are not quite ready for
(06:55):
one reason or another. And they understand that the AR
fifteen ban case the most popular rife for in America
getting banned in some of these nutty anti gun states.
The Supreme Court understands this is an issue, and I
think we have to keep in mind that you know,
we don't know if Justice Thomas and Justice Toledo are
thinking about retirement of this June. They may want to
clean this up before they leave the court. So that's
(07:15):
another dynamic going on right now. So if that is
what we really want, we want the Supreme Court, if
they take one of those cases, we will undeniably, in
my view, a ninety nine point five percent chance win
the case if they take one or of one of
these cases, and that will be a huge blow to
the anti gun movement and a huge advantage for freedom.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To put a fine point on it, with my Perry
Mason level of law training that I have, which is
what you're describing as cases actually multiple cases which address
the whole idea, can the government ban commonly owned guns? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The entire battle is on that. If we win that,
then the anti gun movement is down to libbling around
the edge. Well, the biggest next issue would be sensitive places,
which is a euphemism for government mandated gun free zones.
That's not really on the agenda for the Supreme Court
right now, right here, right now, that's still getting developed.
I think we'll oftimately be okay on that, but that's
a year or two away, and of course some of
(08:15):
the licensing issues will would probably be a year or
two away. But right now, the Supreme Court has not
granted cert in a Second Amendment specific case for this
term which ends in June of twenty twenty five, and
they're clearly looking to grant cert in one of these cases.
And I think that the gun Dan cases of AR
fifteens and magazines is where they're going to go. And
that is exactly what we want because if they grant
(08:36):
certain one of those cases, Tom, we will have Trump,
we will have a Republican Senate, and they take one
of those cases, We're going to win that case. That
will be a fantastic twelve months for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Hey, let me get you address one thing here. By
me watching your channel and watching how you explain these cases,
I have come to believe that you don't actually have
to have an advanced law degree and experience to understand this.
If somebody like you explains it to us, we're going, oh,
(09:09):
that's really not that difficult to understand. I mean, am
I right here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I think there's a lot that ordinary people, and I
mean that people without law degrees might be extraordinary in
other areas, of course, but you know, people that are
ordinary in the context of the law can really understand
all of this. Now obviously it's like anything else. They're
nuances in terms of you got to understand the justices personalities,
what they're looking for, what they're not looking for. You know,
there's a lot of inside baseball that goes into any profession.
(09:37):
Like there's secret information that you run, you know, one
of the most important radio shows in America, and there's
secret information that you know that other people just wouldn't
know if you don't do that business. But when that said, yeah,
I think that. And again, the one of the reasons
why I do the Four Boxes Diner Channel Tom is
for this exact reason, because I can share with them,
you know, the people that lost the Second Amendic community,
(09:59):
information that they would just not have access to because
exactly most American lawyers do not know what I know.
Most American lawyers can not talk about the dynamic of
the US Supreme Court and how to think about judges.
You know, judges sometimes have, especially the lower court judges,
they have career aspirations too. They want to be on
the Supreme Court. Uh, you know, and you know there's
(10:19):
a lot of things going on here that again, if
you're if you do it and you understand it on
a daily basis, you just know stuffing. I try to
use the four box, a diner platform to share information
and Tom, it's not about I don't care about building
myself up. I want to share this information. So you know,
radio hosts like yourself, you know, you know, people talking
at the gun clubs, you know, people other YouTube influencers
(10:41):
have the correct information and they can force multiplied out
through our community.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, it's a great resource. I got one of the
question for you before I have to hit my brak,
and this is one I just I'm looking at this
the idea of law fare being used against gun companies.
Then this suff just put out this release on it.
What you have is now a whole bunch of state
attorneys general are filing suit against Block for not making
(11:11):
the switches that turn glocks into a full auto. They're
generally imported illegally from China and criminals, they're illegal to have,
they're eagerly to put on a gun. And yet these
city of the states rather are suing Block for somehow
not stopping that. This just seems like more of this
(11:35):
organized attack on the gun industry. I guess trying to
get rid of the PLCAA law.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's right. Let me give you the good news. The
Supreme Court granted cert and is going to hear the
case of Smith and Wesson versus the Government of Mexico.
This is exactly what the government of Mexico was doing.
They were trying to bankrupt the American gun industry. The
Supreme Court's granted cert The only in line the Supreme
Court granted sert here is because they're going to clean
(12:03):
up this nonsense. You do not measure the law, you
don't mention measure constitutional rights by how things can be misused.
Because the Internet can be misused for crimes, the VCRs
and CD players back in the day could be misused
for crimes. Anything can be misused for crime, including baseball bets.
And the Supreme Court, I think is going to nip
this in the butt. And the fact that they granted
(12:23):
certain the Smith and Weston case, which is going to
be argued, I think at the end of January, is
extremely good news for the Second Amendment communique because I
think the Supreme Court is going to write a broad
opinion to say that you cannot hold ordinary law binding
companies responsible for the criminal acts of third party people
over whom you have literally no control. And that's what
the Supreme Court is going to set down, and that
(12:44):
will be used to knock out a lot of these
nonsense lawsuits we're seeing by the anti gun movement.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Mark Smith, your channel The Four Boxes Diner is a
god said, there's a fabulous resource for all of us.
Thank you for spending the time here, but more importantly,
thank you for spending the time and explaining all these
keeping us informed.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
No prom Thanks Tom.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
All right, do you take care? All right? Mark Smith? Yeah,
check it out if you haven't seen it before, The
Four Boxes Diner on YouTube. Once you start your go,
holy cow, I'm learning so much. There you go, All right,
Opra lines for you now eat six y six Talk gun.
I'm Tom Gresham.
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Speaker 2 (15:43):
There's the open line portion of the show where you
can call in and take me a task on anything
I've said. You disagree with me on something, or you know,
if you agree, that's fine, we can do that as well.
We'll have a little love fest. But basically, if there's
a gun you want to talk about, or a shooting
experience you had, or maybe you were just at the
at the gun store and something interesting happened or you
ran into somebody, I love to hear those stories. As
(16:07):
I said, I have been well. I went down to
Johnny Doury's store in San Antonio. He has two stores
there by the way, and I went to the I
guess they call it the Northern One on four ten,
great store, amazing displays one the people who work there
are just terrific. They make you feel so welcome when
you walk in. If you go there by all means
(16:28):
tell him. I said hi, but also say hey, is
it okay? I'd like to go see some of the
high end stuff because they got at Larry in the
back where you can go back and see some of
the cool stuff. Man, there's some gorgeous guns back there. Wow.
But they always have a lot of stuff going through.
In fact, today's Sunday Sunday is the day that all
of the guns that they put up on gun Broker.
(16:51):
The auctions end on Sunday evening. So if you just
go to Gunbroker and do a search for Dorry's guns,
you'll see all the guns that they put up for
the week. And I asked him, I saidll how do
you come up with the value for those? He says,
we don't. I said what He says, We start them
all at a penny, all the guns that are up
on the auction of Doweries guns. He says, we start
them at a penny. He said, the market we'll figure
(17:12):
out what the price is and whatever they go to
is what they sell for. That's interesting. I mean, I
knew that people do that, but I didn't realize that
Douries being one of the bigger, maybe one of the
biggest dealers people selling guns on gun broker, that's what
they do. So they just started at a pinion and
then see where it goes. And so people say, what's
(17:32):
something worth. It's worth what somebody will pay for it,
and whatever it sells for, that's what it was worth.
And people said, well, I should have gone for more. Well,
evidently not, because if somebody was willing to pay more,
it would have gone for more. So just kind of
what it is. Let's go talk to Benny and Corpus
Christi Texas. He's on too. Benny, I hear you had
(17:53):
a pretty good experience with somebody in the firearms industry.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
I did tom as usual, the Vortex stepped up to
the plate this time. I bought a scope from them
about a year maybe a year and a half ago,
and I did not realize it was supposed to come
with a four inch sunshade tube. A friend of mine
(18:17):
bought the same scope and told me it did, so
I called him and sure, enough. They took my address
out of the system and they sent me that too,
but no charge, along with a brand new hat.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
A god, So did you You didn't have to, like
you did, to provide any evidence. I mean, I guess
they did. You buy it directly from them when you
bought the scope? I did, indeed, Yes, Okay, so they
already had had your information in there and something. I
just forgot to include the sunset shade.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Right, Yeah, I just pol in the box. I didn't
know I was supposed to come with one. I've been
looking online for one and couldn't find it. And fortunately
a buddy of mine bought the same scope.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And so tell me, tell me, how do you feel
about the How do you like your vortex scope? Oh?
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I love it. It's a diamondback HD uh four to
sixteen but forty two. It's real nice. Their glass is
just crystal clear.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, they're making some good stuff, aren't they.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
They really are, they really are.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm looking. I'm looking at their buying. I'm a bino
hand of love binoculars. And oh yeah, I'm really interested
in seeing what they come out with this coming year,
because I know that they have a lot of stuff
in the pipeline, and I particularly I'm looking at everybody's
right now the rains. Finding binoculars I really like because
that way when you're glassing, if you see something, you
(19:54):
just push a button on it and you have an
instant readout of how far it is. And I've been
using some of those for several years. I've got the
really expensive, you know, German made ones because that's the
only companies that had them back then, and now these
other companies are coming out with them. I want to
see what Vortex has, so that's gonna be fun to watch. Hey, Benny,
thank you. That's a great range reportant. I appreciate that.
(20:16):
One of the things that I've said this before, and
I think it's true. You can disagree with me if
you want to, but you be wrong. We all tend
to speak up when we're disappointed in something. We tend
to not speak up when something goes well. I mean typically,
(20:36):
you know, show up at a party and say, wow,
you know I didn't have I did not have a
flat tire on the way over here, you know. But
if you have a flat tire, you're gonna tell everybody
about it. When we contact companies, we tend to expect,
but we contact them with the problem, we tend to
expect a deflection, a denial, or run around not getting
what we want to get out of them. And it
(20:59):
is it's so interesting to me. I mean to the
point where now maybe we just have different expectations. If
they're companies in the firearms industry, gun companies, animal companies,
optics companies, whatever, they generally just take care of you.
They go, okay, fine, we'll send that to you, or
(21:20):
that doesn't sound right. We'll send a box and send
that gun back to us and we'll take a look
at it and then it comes back fixed. Or they'll
say this is what's going on. I can't imagine what
it's like for them. Sometimes they go, well the gun's
working fine, but the shooter's not that good. But you know,
that's a whole different issue. But in our world, in
(21:41):
the firearm's industry, companies just take care of you. It's
kind of crazy. Yeah. Ryan just went up to Vortex
and saw some of the new stuff that they'll be
introducing this year. So it's going to be a whole
roll out of different things, not all at once. I
gat they're kind of rolling throughout twenty twenty five, and
that's the way everything's going one of these stakes. Although
there are gonna be some new things introduced at shot Show.
(22:03):
Where are you even coming to have? Maybe bigger's crossed?
A couple of announcements of guns from gun Talk. Yeah,
that's us. All right, we're back and I'm Tom Gresham
(22:24):
and this is gun Talk. We're kind of all over
the place today. That's okay, I actually I think about it.
That's probably not much different from any other week. We're
on the road today and I'm in h Well, just
north of Austin and the Flugerville Round Rock area. We're
doing our big cross country tour, driving all over the place. Hell,
you'll love this. So two of down here am a
(22:46):
big four SUV and the thing just gets louder and
louder going down highway. So take it to the shop.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Go.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah. I had to replace the hub bearings on three wheels.
I don't know why they didn't do the fourth one.
I guess we'll just wait to that one goes out too.
Something about living on a dirt road in the snow
and the ice and the stuff they put on the
roads up there. It's kind of hard on cars, who'd
known that right? Also, speaking of that, I had somebody
(23:13):
posting online about products to use on guns, and it
actually aks about reloading dies too, and asking about W forty,
and I said, you know, as far as I'm concerned,
I don't think you ought to have WD forty around
guns period. It's not a bad penetrant if you need
to do that, but it's not good at rust prevention,
it's not good at lubrication. And there are a lot
(23:34):
of really good products made for guns. So just and
I know people have their WT forty to put on
squeaky hinges and things like that. It's not even that
good for that. I don't think it just might take.
I don't think it lasts as long as a good oil.
So I don't know what you use on your guns.
(23:54):
If you have a favorite, by all means, give me
a call. I'd love to know, because everybody's always trying
to find out what's the best thing to put on it.
And please don't call me and tell me that you
use transmission fluid. We have better stuff than that. Barry
called in out of Alaska on four. Hey, Barry, you're
on gun Talk. What us pondering about here?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Well, I picked up a new toy. I hain't seen
one in about thirty five years, and I had it
out the range while I was doing duty, and that
one of my regulars a bunch a couple of holes
with my dan Wesson.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Fifteen two ooh ooh, And he.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Said, well, oh, my walls a single action. I said, well,
cock it and our fields begs ring. And then I said, no,
try the double action, and he cut the first hole. No,
(25:00):
my question is, and I've had a pistol pack, but
I had to tell what one of his rent deals
and one is going to college. Cuzy bought dan Wesson.
I don't know why they bought it, and except to
(25:21):
use the name because it's you know, stylish.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right name.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
But they don't make any of their revolvers.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, they're not making their revolvers now, at least not
that I can find anywhere. They're making simply nineteen eleven's.
And I don't know why. But if I had to
guess and see if this clocks with what, you got
to be an older guy. If you like dan West revolvers,
they made fabulous revolvers. They were the revolvers used by
(25:52):
Hing and Silhoettes. Shooters in a lot of competitions because
they were so accurate. Here's my guess is that they
got into it and figured out that it is more
involved to make a good revolver than they thought. You know,
anybody can make a nineteen eleven, honestly, it really can't.
(26:12):
Craik goes out, But to make a really finely touned,
nice revolver typically requires people who really know how to
tune revolver or some of the very best C and
C machines. And they may have looked at that and
just said, you know, the money's not there, because this
was back what ten years ago, fifteen years ago when
CZ bought them, and they thought, the money's not there,
(26:34):
the market's not there. Now having said that, revolvers are
on an upswing, they're coming back strong. You got Taurises
come on strong. Colt is doing some nice things, and
Smith keeps expanding their run. Kimber's making revolvers, for heaven's sakes.
But I'm just thinking that maybe CZ bought these and
came in and said, Wow, it's just more expensive to
(26:54):
make these than we thought. We're just not going to
do that. Does that make sense?
Speaker 9 (26:57):
And I can believe that, but the like you say,
the revolver's market is on the upswing. I had a
Smith and Lesson three twenty five from the performance center,
and I noticed it had a caslated nuts in the muzzle.
(27:23):
So the technology from Dan Wesson is being here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, exactly right. And Smith keeps bringing out new ones,
and Lipses is doing these special runs of cool guns
with Smith. There's just a lot of things going on.
And oh, Lipsey's just brought out a new Ruger, a
Blackhawk in forty one magnum. That's really nice. I like
(27:49):
the looks of it. So there's actually a lot of
interest in revolvers these days, even on the self defense
concealed carry side of things. I appreciate the call, Barry.
I don't know why. All I could do is speculate
and guests that they looked at it. Wow, these are
more expensive to make than we thought. It's harder to
make whatever. Because you know, it's that old deal of
(28:11):
why does something happen? The answer usually percolates down to money.
If there was enough money in it, they would be
doing it, and yet other people are doing it. Like
I say, Taurus has made a phenomenal comeback from frankly
making guns that weren't that good fifteen years ago. They
(28:31):
just weren't and everybody knew it. And the revolvers that
Taurus is making today are really good. I mean they
really you can line them up against some of the
best ones being made today, which I got to tell you,
if you had asked me ten to fifteen years ago,
I would have just thought you're crazy if you suggested
this was going to happen. So that comeback has been amazing.
(28:54):
Kimber's making revolvers, which is really something else. And now
you have a lot of people subtly paying attention to
smaller revolver snubnose if you will, two and three inch
barrel revolvers in not just thirty eight Special, but in
thirty two, thirty two EH and R three twenty seven Federal.
So a lot of interest in those in pocket carry,
(29:16):
appendix carry. And by the way, don't overlook if you're thinking,
I'd like to try appendix carry, but it gives me
the willies. Okay, how about a double action revolver with
a ten twelve fifteen pound double action trigger pull. A
double action only revolver might be what you need to
get you there, to get over that that hump of thinking. Man,
(29:40):
I don't know if I want to do this. I
know of people who have done exactly that, and they've
gone to the smaller revolver as a way to go there.
So just a thought for you there, tell you what
quick break and then it is your time. Eight six
six talk gun, Tom, Talk gun, or you can shoot
me an email Tom at gun Talk. Do you can
(30:00):
send me a letter. I won't get it because I'm
never home. Still on the road, going through this great
state of technics. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, we get emails. Actually, Gary to send me an
email says I agree with you one hundred percent on
WD forty. It should never be used in firearms or locks.
It at first appears to lubricate, but then gets gummy
and eventually turns into a hard varnish. That has been
my experience. My brother in law used it on a
(32:51):
bolt action on the bolt of his Ruger Model seventy
seven thirty six volt. Said he had a shot at
a moose and the gun went click. I had a
gun smith friend. He had a sign on the wall
and this was way back. Because the prices will give
it away, he says, gun cleaning fifteen dollars, twenty five
(33:11):
dollars if you use WD forty on it, because he
had to really work to get all that varnish, that
stuff off of it. So that's that's been my take
on the W forty thing. Let's grab line three. Randy's
with us out of Michigan. Hey Randy, what do you
have there?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Well, I've got a cold pelagun So one seventy seven
caliber and if I if I hand it to you,
you will expect it to be a forty five acp.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, it's not all.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It weighs the same, it's it's all the same functions.
I bought it as a practice gun because I've got
a Kimber forty five ADP and I've got a say,
the same nineteen eleven style. Well, I can practice with
it very cheap, and I've had it for a number
(34:05):
of years. It's shot great. It's got an eight tillet
cylinder in it with a CO two powered and you
just fire it like you do a semi automatic hand cutting.
But it's not functioning properly, and I'm having trouble getting
the gunsmith that will work on it. I call it Colt.
They don't handle it anymore. They don't deal with it.
(34:27):
They just walked away from it. And I said, that's astonishing. Net.
I buy a Colt product and you guys have no
service on it whatsoever. So I'm looking for a gunsmith
that's willing to look at it. I don't know if
it feels or o ring, what it might be, but
I can hire it once and then the tillet we'll
(34:50):
slide forward enough that it won't rotate in the cylinder.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, I didn't know the place, but Jim, Jim just
sent me a text and the link is air gun
Shop air gun shop dot net. And notice that it's
dot net dot com. Airgunshop dot net and that's his
suggestion of a place to contact them about your airgun.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Okay, well, I appreciate that it's kind of run into
loose ends. But it's a great gun. It's a great
practice one. I use it for years, and what.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
A great idea to use an air gun for practice,
particularly now that they come and they're heavy. They have
the same weight, the same feel, they work the same
way and you can shoot for I was gonna say, pities,
it's less than pennies.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's it's nothing. And the odd thing is it's it's
a registered firearm. I had to go get a purchase
permit to buy it.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Oh my gosh, that should not be the case, because
of course it is really not a firearm according to ATF.
Is that a Michigan thing.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yep, it's got a rifle barrel. And when I bought
it conservative Southwest area here, I bought it in a
Forting goods store. I said, I want it. I had
ccw's at the time, and at for a while there
you could just buy it with having a permit, right,
but I had to actually go to the Ottawa County
Sheriff get a permit, go pick up the gun. When
(36:25):
I get They had just just gone through a lot
of like I said, conservative area and they said, well,
we've got it in back, and they carried it out
undercover as so it was a fully automatic silence oh yeah.
And they made it on the counter and they looked
(36:46):
around to see if anybody was standing there, and I says,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
In the case and this is a Pelant gun.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, it's a Pelagon Give me a break exactly right. Hey, look,
I gotta keep running here. I got to grab Bill
in Quna, Idaho online five before we hit our next break. Here. Bill,
you're up, let's talk a lubbit luby your gun?
Speaker 12 (37:07):
You bet? Tom? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I got you go ahead, sir? Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
You know, many years ago, after I got out of
the Marines with my home weapons, I was using I
don't even like to use the name of that lubricant
because people guys go out and buy it. It's not expensive,
and I went to break free. The deal about the
lubricant you're talking about is real negative. It's over seventy
percent kerosene. And I know that once I found that out,
(37:36):
that mixed with the other chemicals that they have in
it causes that sheen you mentioned. I'm a break Free,
a big break free guy. They have the lubricunts and
the cleaner. I've been using it for years. I'm from Alaska,
all the weapons. I have never had a lubricant problem.
Olough you don't want to overdo it, but anyway, do
(37:56):
not use what you have mentioned. It's a lot of kerose.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
You don't say the name. I love it. Uh, break
Free is good stuff. We've been using that for years.
And the COLP, as far as I know, they may
have been the first company to just talk about cop clean,
lubricate and protect, and break Free still makes a whole
line of good stuff. They've got gun oils and cleaners
(38:21):
and all stuff. So I agree with you, Bill. I
don't think you can go wrong if you go with
break Free CLP. Uh. And that's kind of a one.
Sometimes I'll keep it just a little bottle of the
COLP with me. It's kind of the keep the gun
running kind of stuff. If it starts to run a
little sluggishly, put some of that on it. It cleans
it up, it lubricates it, it gets it, you know,
(38:41):
going again. So it's kind of a first aid kit
for guns and a bottle. I like that idea break
free colp. What do you use on your guns? I'm
just curious eight six ' six talk gun. Also, if
there's a gun you want to tell me about, I
always want to hear gun stories, because that's what we
do here. Hey, let's go to the phones. Ken called
(39:08):
it out of o Flahoma. Ken, what's this you got
at the range here?
Speaker 8 (39:15):
You were talking about even Kimber making revolvers. And I
looked down at my right hand side at my success,
thinking what a fine little gun that is.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Isn't that a nice revolver?
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Man, of course, I shoot thirty eighth in it just clinking.
I'm shooting the twenty two with thirty eight. That is balanced, beautiful,
beautiful trigger. Stack's nice. It's a nice gun.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The first time I picked it up shot it. My
feeding was the term bank vault came to minds like that,
this thing closes up slick like a really well laid safe.
It's just it's just just it's heavy and it is
solid and got a great trigger, and it caught us
all by surprise. With Kimber came out with a revolver
(40:04):
where it's like what, Matt, it is nice. So how
long have you had this?
Speaker 8 (40:10):
I've had it for over a years. So I had
to regrip it immediately because the grip faster grip just
wasn't enough to catch my pinky. Once I did that,
it changed everything.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
And that's that's your carry gun.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
It's one of my one of my carry guns. I
actually called the Range Report. I've got an ultra carry
too that I had never carried because it's such a
pretty gun with the crimp, with the cocobola grips on it.
I ended up regripping it last night with some cool
hand grips that are slim fit. It changed the gun entirely.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's an interesting observation, and I think maybe people don't
understand how much changing the grips on your revolver really
can change the gun.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Totally changed the gun, changes the recoil, the feel of it,
what's hitting in you know as it comes back, so big, improven.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
I'm a huge Kimber fan.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
I only have two right now.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But they're kind of pricey, but well they are, but
you know, but you buy it knowing is going to
last forever.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
Right, you pay, yeah, and you pay for what you
get one other quick comment if I may, And I
recently year and a half ago bought my very first block.
I never owned a block before, didn't think I ever
wanted a block. I bought a Glock forty eight and
it is unbelievable. Also, I have good guns, Tom the.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Forty eight may be my favorite, honestly because of the
slim grip and I actute it and mine has a
really good trigger on it. And I mean, I am
not a huge glock fan, but I like the heck
out of that gun.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
Yeah, this one's been retriggered and I've put a little
ho mini slip on it just to kind of change
the configuration but not make the grip right. It is
again one of my favorite carry games of the three
or four or five that I carry.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And remind me is that I'm trying to remember. Is
that ten shot capacity in that going?
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Yes, okay said, but there's a company that introduced a
fifteen round mag for it. I bought one and it
works very well. They eliminated the hard plastic on the
outside of the glock mag use that space to get
five more rounds in the magazine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Was that shield? Yes, okay, I thought that was it
because I bought a couple of their mags too, So yeah,
you and are on the travel of the same journey here.
But that's a that's a very nice pistol of people
who are thinking, Oh I don't like glocks, they're fat,
they're clunky, or whatever. Take a look at the forty
eight and I think I want to say it's the
forty three X meaning it is. I can't remember the
(42:50):
number on that one, but the forty eight is a
single stack ten shot and you look at that going,
you know, why wouldn't it that that shoots really well
and the carries really well. It's nice and slim. So
just something for you to consider. So a question on
the floor. We have all of these new rifle cartridges
coming out and have been coming out for fifteen years now,
Creed Moores and prcs and other things out there, and
(43:13):
they're being adopted by the long range shooting community and
now long range hunting community. Are they really necessary? What
do you get out of them? We're going to talk
to somebody who actually knows this stuff, who sees a
lot of them shot at various ranges. So the question
is should you buy one of these or should you
stay with your off six. Are you to sympathy? I
(43:34):
know where I fall on it. You know I can
argue it both ways, because that's who I am.
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