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-- For his 5-gun wish list, this guy wants 5 different M1 Garand rifles.
-- New Year's Eve celebrations and gun safety.
-- Perhaps make the trip to Camp Perry and the National Championship this year.
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-- For his 5-gun wish list, this guy wants 5 different M1 Garand rifles.
-- New Year's Eve celebrations and gun safety.
-- Perhaps make the trip to Camp Perry and the National Championship this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast,
where we saved all the best things that we can't
say on regular radio.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's time for the after show, which we do generally
after the show. We tried doing it before the show
and the name just didn't work that well, Yeah, just
doesn't really work. I got Jim Kensey and Michelle Cleland
and Michelle is maybe on the men. But boy, you
got that cough thing going, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's been great.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yes, you sound fabulous.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
A lot better now than I did a week ago,
believe me.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Man, Oh geez, nothing like a little bronchitis among friends. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I don't know why they call it a cute, because
it is not a cute.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Okay, Well, you're welcome here anyway, as long as you're
far away.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
From me, right, Yeah, lots of hand sanitizer, lots of lysol.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Ver studio glass dividing us. Thank god.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I'm thinking alcohol is good and that's just the stuff
you drink.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
So there you go, a little bit of tea and
honey with that. I've heard that works.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, there you go. So I guess this on after
show today is Toledo Dayers, since you guys are in
Toledo and Clint is in Toledo. Hey, Clint, Hi, Clint, Clint,
you're there. I'm here because we needed somebody we could
hang up on. All right, talked to me, Clint, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 7 (01:57):
All right? On my list of five firearms?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Oh, if we're doing the five guns you want to
get in twenty twenty five, okay on all the ears,
go for it.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I know I will only be able to afford one,
but who knows next year and then one grand?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Why not? Five different grades?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Five different in one grands? Sure? Why not? Well? Yeah,
I mean, look that is just goofy enough to appeal
to me. It's like, Okay, you're my kind of gun geek.
You're going to get five in one, So talk to
me about different grades? What kind of grades are there?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
The CMP has different grades you ever, I believe the
lowest or the cheapest, is the rat grade, where it
would show a lot of wear, more or less a
wall hanger service grade. They're strictly shooters. It would be
a rifle that would function well. They all function properly,
(02:56):
but something that wouldn't have nearly the weares a rat grade.
It would be fair to good condition, and then they
have I believe the next grade would be professional grade.
They go up in price, of course, the further you
go up the ladder. One to rebuilt rebuild new stock,
which I don't really I don't care about having something
(03:17):
that looks new. I just I want something that shows
the history, although it would if it shot a minute
of angle, that would be good enough for me.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Okay, what is the top one? What's the top grade?
Speaker 7 (03:33):
The top grade? Offhand? I'm not sure the collector It
could be a collector's grade, where it would probably be
a near perfect new rebuilt. Yeah, Craig, do you.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Have any m ones now?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
No? I do not.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So whichever one you get is going to be your
initial one and you build off from there. So do
you think you're actually going to do that this year?
Speaker 8 (03:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I plan on going over to Port Clinton and looking
to go to their store and looking at some and
a friend of mine that's a member a shot at
Camp Perry is going to go with me. And I've
joined me a Grand Collectors Association and one of the requirements.
Plus they have a long background, so I'm good to
(04:19):
go there.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
And for those who don't know the CMP, we're talking
about this civilian marksmanship program and they sell government surplus
grants as well as the other guns in nineteen elevens
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, some of them you have to
be in a lottery for right, get pulled, and then
others you can go into the store and make purchases
of what a.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Cool place Camp Perry is in general, though I mean
more than just the store, The whole thing is amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Well, after your purchase, are you interested in shooting the
one grand match that's held it Camp Arry?
Speaker 7 (04:55):
That could happen, I never know. I'm interested in a
serie for my first weapon. I've shot the high power
here around Toledo, Southern Michigan before, so I'm eating yeah, competitively,
but the grand mash would be a lot of five.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, great day.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, it's gotten so big to actually do it within
two days, so they shoot it both Saturday and Sunday
for those that are interested in a lot of history
and some really cool another.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Sunday Michelle will be off.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm just going to say, Clint, if you go do that,
you're liable to run into Michelle while you're walking around there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You never know.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
If that looks forward to meeting you.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Oh, that would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I appreciate that well, Clint. I love your list. It
is definitely one we have not had before. Five different
grades of the one grand and I just think that's
a terrific idea and there's a lot of history wrapped
up on that. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
And one more thing, I had a successful deer hunt
is Shue with my two fifty seven Roberts than my seven.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Oh that's great. Isn't that a great caliber?
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Excellent caliber?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, it is is. It's just such a peach to shoot,
it really is. Thank you, Claire. I appreciate your call, sir.
Speaker 8 (06:04):
You take you know, Tom, even if he doesn't get
all five this year, I mean it gets one or two,
he's on his way.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, you start that journey exactly. So Michelle, how many
times have you been to Camp Perry? For competitions.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh my gosh, I have no idea how many of
you missed.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
That'd be easy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
More more than a dozen.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
More than twenty.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah, probably right there about that that da Yeah, probably
around that kind of time frame.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Twenty different years. Have you ever been there, Tom, No, Oh,
it is cool.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
A couple of years ago Jim and I were Yeah,
because he hadn't ever been there either, so it was
a really.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Cool to say that anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No, it was a fun day.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
When I got I would need to have a guide.
I wonder for who I get to talk to. Hmmm,
somebody had been there before you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now it's a pretty cool place, just the history of
the place to begin with, because it was a war
prison camp for Japanese soldiers at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I do believe I did not know that. Huh.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
I think it's called this shoot how to shoot out
over the lake Lake Erie. Yeah, actually have to clear
the boats out and stuff in case somebody misses the
burm and.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
That, right' it's just cool. Tom is saying maybe it
was Italian soldiers. I'm not sure, but it was a
it was a prison camp. They had little huts. They
are all being rebuilt and stuff now, making them a
little modernized because you can actually rent them and stay
right there on the premises.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well that's what you need.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
But yeah, you definitely you shoot off the lake. They
definitely close off the waters. And yeah, unfortunately there's ceasepires.
If somebody comes into uh comes into the lot, I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Can help them out on how far you have to
live eat a boat.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Sure there's an airport between here and their child, right intent.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
But yeah, they have oh my gosh, I mean they
start out small boar. They have air rifle constantly, so
they start small boar. They have pistol, the high power,
they do the palma, so they go out to a
thousand yards and yeah, it's it's pretty interesting because you
(08:29):
never know what country a person will be from that
is on the line shooting.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh okay, and they come from all over the world, all.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Over the world, I mean, and people that come are
fascinated by the types of firearms that Americans are actually
able to own because in their country there's limitations.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, and I mean, and people are shooting on the line.
I mean lots and lots and lots of ars. I
mean that's kind of the standard. A lot of the.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Shooting right now it is yet used to be the
three h eight.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Right out shooting. They are five five six is out
there and then you got the grand matches and sounds
like it's a very large facility.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It's a large Facility's National Guard base is located there
as well. But yeah, it's it's a large facility, like
I say, like lots of history and stuff there.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But yeah, it's just a cool place.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And you know, lots of friends that are recollecting year
after year after year.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well that's it. You go year after year, you run
the same people. Then it becomes just that place. It's
your summer camp, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
It is, Yes, it becomes you know, your family all
in one. And yeah, you're you know, enemies against one
another when you're shooting, but for sure you do anything
that you can to help them out if something were
to go down.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
Now, how would you I'm sorry, go ahead, I say
you would help them out there or elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I'm sure you get the connections and you hear
from people throughout the.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Year, yes, absolute, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And of course Facebook has its own thing, you know,
but lots of times you become a closer friend than
that you know, an extended family, I guess because definitely
swept phone numbers. And you know there's all kinds of
patch exchanges and shirt exchanges and all that kind of
stuff that happens just like anywhere else with any other competition.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Sure, yeah, it is cool.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
So in looking up this information, Camp Perry was a
German and Italian.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, so thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
There you go, Thank you Tom keeping us straight on that. Yep,
this might be one of those places you add to
your I've always wanted to do that list and say okay,
and then in twenty twenty five, this is my year
to go to Camp.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Perry, right.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then there's I mean there's all kinds of instruction
interested in learning how to shoot small board pistol, you know,
high power, which is the AR. You can get instruction
by the Army Marksmanship Unit.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You can get instruction by the Marine Corps.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I mean, they have classes out there that you can
participate in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You don't have to have your own equipment. You can
you know, you can use it again.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean you could just show up and you could
find equipment to shoot.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, you want to borrow somebody's rifle and stuff, or
you know, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
People are weird out there, right, They let you do
these things. You know, you want to come and shoot.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, you know, place, here's a gun, here's here's a jacket,
here's the gear you need, here's some amo here, let's
go shoot, right yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Now, in all your experience, would you compare it or
how would you compare it to the American down southern
the Grand American.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I've never been you Nope, we'll never have been.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Because I was so impressed by Camparammell. He's got to
be like the Grand American, except different guns and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But right, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The Grand was held in Van Dalia for years and
years and years right outside of Dayton there.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, in the sense moved and it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Was next to the airport, and they closed one runway
of the commercial airport during the competitions. And you're out
there shooting, and people are, you know, lined up, and
I mean you're talking about a full miles worth of
trap fields, and these taxes, the big airliners are taxing
in front of them where they're shooting. They're shooting out
(12:19):
toward the airplane.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Oh yeah, but you know, no burms. But it's just
shotguns and it's you know, number eight, number nine shot
maybe I think they might use seven and a halfs.
It's the largest, so it's not going that far. But
it is a weird look to be shooting toward these
commercial airplanes.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yes, for sure, I just wondering.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And they're not that far away, I mean a half
mile maybe.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Well, I'm sure the experience has to be the same.
You know, you're looking up and down a line.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Full thousands of shoots.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, and it's you know, at least at Camp Perry,
they don't all shoot it once. I can't speak for
how the grand works, but you know there might be
four relays of people shooting, so two relays at a time,
you know, moving across the different shooting lines, and then
completely switch where you go down to something we call
(13:10):
the pits where you're actually pulling down the target and
scoring and throwing it back up in the air for
the person that's on the line shoe.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
So they've aught great at that though too. They've gone
digital n a lot of.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Electronic use, Yeah, a lot of electronic use, but there's
still those classic pitches and it was.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Such an experience, it was great.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, I would just say this, having been to the
Grand in Fandaelia and it was unique and historic, and
John Phillips sues a shot there that kind of thing,
and now it's moved to Illinois, to Spark Illinois. It's
not the same. It's big, but it doesn't have that
same touch of history. I'm just going to throw this
out that every time you think something's always going to
(13:51):
be the same, it never is. And if you've said
I always wanted to go to Camp Perry, go ahead
and go, because you never know when something happens and
they're not hole.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
That time you mentioned something a minute ago and you
were having a bullet list of different guns and types,
et cetera.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
You were caring. And I have a category I think
you need to touch on after this break.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, that would be the full auto category of you,
and I just checked the box on damn you. Okay,
we'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 4 (15:09):
All right, we're back. And I have always thought it'd
be cool to have full auto. I never had full auto,
and then today and I did my enabling thing. I
was doing my duty for you there, Jim.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yeah, thanks Bell for sureciate that.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
So we both bought our first full auto today.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah, pull pulled the proverbial trigger.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
And it wasn't ten fifteen grand like you think starting
prices are in full auto. Maybe a percent of that
was that.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I'm thinking under two hundred bucks. So where do we get.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
A two can z two powered full auto? Be begun.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Because it's just so ridiculously goofy.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
The time wanted to suppress his I thought there was
a little bit over the top, but you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Well, here I was going to play Pats.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
You know, plants, Pats platform something that you want to do,
go do it?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah it there you gory id you want to do it,
just go do it? So I did. I just didn't
go real far with them. It's like okay, under two
hundred bucks, and I can afford the demo, correct, I
can afford the bbes. I don't know if I can
afford that many Coeo two cartridges. Scuba tank impressed, scuba tank.
I like this.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yes, you could practice in your basement, right if you
had one of those handy little indoor traps.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You know. And I have videos of like this kid
shooting a whole bunch of balloons with Oh yeah, just
I'm all in the problem is I think the magazine
only hosts twenty five bullets or BB's or something.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Well, we're going to make a drum for that thousand
round drum drum.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I told Jim we were going to go belt fit.
He was was not impressed with the idea of having
to put BB's in a belt.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
I can't find a belt to fit me. Oh and
there you go, Tom, there's a picture for you, mister
Henny Crossman.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
So it's a good brand, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Crossman, you know, I mean I don't know who makes it.
Everybody sure getting stuff made everywhere. But I mean, look,
just for the goofiness of having people over and saying
you want to come shoot my full auto. Now, it's
not an actual firearm, right, correct, Yeah, which is good
because this way it gets mailed to your house.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I told Tom I was looking all over. I couldn't
find an air FFL. No, Jim, no Jim, it's not
gone to don't have it. It's a deep mus clone.
It looks like to me.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
So you guys need to make up your own Christmas
story videos.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
You shoot all your eyes out and all your buddy's
eyes out.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Ye done.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I don't I didn't check the video. I don't know
what the cyclic rate.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Before.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I say, like twelve hundred a minute or something. I
did read it. Call.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yes, it doesn't take long to go through twenty five.
Oh so you shoot a little and you load a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It's kind of like that most loader thing that Michelle
does well.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And here's the good thing, though, you won't have a
sore thumb, will you.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Jamming magazine twenty five rounds, fourteen hundred rpm.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
It's not like some of those magazines that hold seventeen
and once you get to twelve you're like, forget it,
You're toosed.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I'm out of you.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Call the kids over, hedy, guys going to finish this
up for me.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
If you want seventeen loaded, then you get a twenty
five round mag right.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Right, Well, luckily we have friends in the world that
have some cheater items.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For us to use.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah, did you use a mag loader I have? Yeah,
we use the oop Lula magazine loaders or their thumb
saver for sure.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
You know, I still only go twenty seven though. Oh
for r R man, I don't go thirty anyway.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, a lot of people say twenty seven and twenty eight.
They have a loader for the ars. Very expensive, but man,
is it amazingly good.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I think like Caldwell makes some yeah, make some well yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, those are not terrible. The up Lula one was
like four hundred bucks. Yeah, but you lay it, just
throw all the ambo down and goes shoop. I mean
you could load a thirty round bag in ten seconds
less than that maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah that called well's what sixty seventy five dollars?
I want to say.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Maybe I don't know, Michelle, I wanted in the knife
rights dot org Graffle. Yeah, one, like I don't know,
four or five hundred bucks worth of Caldell stuff at
phones and targets.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, last Street cool. Okay, good old knife rights knife
rights dot org. If people want to sign up and
check out their ultimate steel Giveaway sweep steaks, they do,
which there are some really cool stuff. It gets, uh
you know, auctioned off or you get as you did,
win it as a raffle item.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Right to bear arms which knives are my friends?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yes they are well and it probably brings up it
this time of year.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
A good I guess, commitment to yourself to put some
money back into the community that we love so much. Right,
giving back to these organizations is a.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Part of the community. Yeah, I'm part of the community.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
You've heard of. Go fund Tom.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Haven't you go fund Tom?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Not? Go fund fund Tom? Habits? Think of all the
bebes I gotta buy now.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, Gosh, you should wear some rubber gloves. You know.
You don't want to be contaminating yourself that much lead.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Okay, so lad bebies come on.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We I used to remember they're all Daisy twenty five,
the scissor action pump yep. It pins a snot out
of you. But you take the unscrew that magazine out
of the barrel and have to load it up and
follow with those bbes and trying to get them in
that little hole. We figured out the way to do
that when I was a kid, is you take all
those bbes and put them in your mouth and then
(21:08):
get them into the magazine. Right, I can't have been
the only person who did that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Oh, we got a lawyer calling in in line four. Here, Tom,
let's talk to you about.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm surprised there's not a lawyer advertisement.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
That's right. You may be a title of some compensation.
I can't imagine why the inside of that baby gun rusted.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No idea why that would have happened.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Mistergretion, Do you have any proof that your damage? Have
you listened to the show?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I didn't lick a walls. I was just loading my
bb gunesspared.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Well, bebes are steel, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
They are?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So you can use a magnet.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Sometimes they're copper coated, right, they're still magnetic.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Here's my point.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yes, yes, it's correct. And I know this because they
will bounce off of something and come back hit you
right in the forehead. My just saying, how would you
know that you can actually put your eye out with
one of those suckers shot?
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I have the kids every time because we start out
on bb before we go up to twenty two and
even even on bb what.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Do we need bbes for? And one time glasses?
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Yeah yeah, and uh one times I was shooting, so
we come on, we need for this.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I'm like, yeah, bam, hit me, came back, hit me.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And the glasses.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, see teacher, they do bounce off a board to
bounce off of all sorts of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course you never wore glasses when I was shooting
as a kid, because back in the early days before
safety was invented.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Before eyes.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah yeah, before eyes. There you go. Well, I figure
you got to come on.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
You got it would be cool if they made bbies
out of tanner. Oh my stuff, I'm gonna work on
this time.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, and it was nice knowing you.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Rounds of tanner per minute.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
There he goes again. So Jim and I will be
getting our product launchers here. So for that was fun.
Oh before I forget, we do have two days left
on this crazy promotion from Smith and Wesson, and it's
like a one hundred bucks off of some models, one
hundred and fifty bucks off rebate on other models, and
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then some of the dealers out there are offering their
own discounts, and there are some stupidly good deals on
some really nice Smith and Western revolvers right now.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Some of them are thirteen fourteen hundred bucks. And by
the time you get the discouncsert and there's seven and
a half.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, seven and a half something like that crazy stuff.
It's like you really yeah, but who'd want a revolver.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Me?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know, a nice revolver is so much fun to shoot,
you tease. It's just different, you know, you know what
I want. I don't have one. I want to get
one of those new Lipsy's Carry revolvers they did with Smith,
and they're all slipped up, tuned up with really good,
(24:05):
really good sites for a two inch barrel revolver. But
in thirty two eight and.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Arms, that's saying what caliber are we talking with?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yes, we would get thirty two come on you.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Oh yeah, which are really not They're smooth.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's black and bronze, I believe right. Cylinder is a
bronze color.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
It starts with the three to two. She knows everything
about it. Oh, there are such and such.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And they have it in thirty eight. But then that's
a five shot, so you get it in thirty two.
It's a five six shot and with some of the
really good ammo. And you know what's happening. A lot
of people now on the defensive side, they're loading lead
wadcutters in these because they're saying they get actually as
good or better penetration out of those. And at the
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velocities are shooting, the HaLow points aren't expanding anyway. There's
just not enough velocity to get them to expand. So
I just shoot it as a wadcutter.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yep, about wadcutters, they kind of faded away, didn't they
for a while?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Woodcutters that's my favorite amo to shoot.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Yeah, but I mean like in the eighties and nineties
people still shot it, but you know, like you couldn't
hear anything about it until a couple of years exo.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So it most people have never shot a wadcutter. If
you shoot one on paper targets, you will be amazed.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Right Michelle, Absolutely, yes, here, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
What's the difference. You get these beautiful paper whole puncher
holes that are perfectly cut out circles instead of punched
in things, and that's why you use them for target shooting.
You get these clean edges.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yes, well, and it sounds crazy, but I much prefer
shooting one hundred and fifty eight grain wadcutter. We're talking
thirty eight specials here, then one hundred and thirty grain
round nose piece of ammunition.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I know that sounds crazy. It just to me it's
a lot smoother.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I don't think the recoil is as but yeah, it's
like you say, though, obviously the biggest part of that
is it leaves a nice paper punch spot.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
It's just beautiful.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
But to me, it's just a lot nicer shooting than
the one hundred and thirty green AMMO.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And now people are loading. Get you can get loaded
AMMO with defensive lead wadcutter loads, particularly in thirty two
h and R.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
That would be a cool defensive WORLDCRT. What's the difference.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
More velocity? Your typically your target wadcutters aren't going that fast,
and they pump it up a little bit more to
get you just a little more energy.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Okay, well, I got it.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I prefer the thirty two h and R meg over
the regular thirty two long AMMO for defensive round anyways,
But you know, it's kind of a circular world right
where we're coming back to using the whole the whole
wadcutter and going back to a full lead thing here.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And back to the Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, because I mean, what do we use for deer
honey of full leads waged bullets.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's what we use, you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Know, So it just makes sense that it would be
a good self defense round.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It works, it works, So there you go. So for
people to think of what am I going to buy
in twenty twenty five, There you go, get your revolver
and explore that world. Once you get started, it's just
so much fun.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well, Tom, if you come across any of those thirty twos,
go ahead, take advantage of the rebates and get us
a couple.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah, there you go. It's a group buy. I wonder
if they're cheaper by the desert.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
I was going to tell him to check for airports
in your camp, Perry and come visit us in July.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah they should.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They got. Look, if you've got a thousand yard range,
I can land on.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
That ceasefire incoming single engine.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You see a boat, No it's an airplane. No, okay,
how part you have to leave an airplane?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It's crazy, you know, dear geese, eagles stuff everywhere there,
Jim Jim, you know.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Bit my tongue.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
But no, they've shut down the range for all kinds
of things. So you know we're.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Sure walking across the range. Did he caused a ceasefire?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Bird plane?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Jim Jim, get off the range more getting an awful
lot of silence over here. There must have been a
thing that happened.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Yeah, well, we got a new year. I'm just starting
my resolution just a little bit earlier.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
There you go, all before.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I speak, No, never mind, no shooting in the air.
No shooting in the air. People don't beat that. Those people.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Ye there you go, all right, be safe in your travels,
my friend.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I will. We're on the home leg now.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's six thousand miles and boy is my rear end sore.
Speaker 10 (28:48):
So let me tell you thanks for that visual And
on that note, Gepyia here, Okay, you guys have a
great and safe new year.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Thank you too. We'll catch you next time for the
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast,
where we saved all the best things that we can't
say on regular radio.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's time for the after show, which we do generally
after the show. We tried doing it before the show
and the name just didn't work that well, Yeah, just
doesn't really work. I got Jim Kensey and Michelle Cleland
and Michelle is maybe on the men. But boy, you
got that cough thing going, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's been great.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yes, you sound fabulous.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
A lot better now than I did a week ago,
believe me.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Man, Oh geez, nothing like a little bronchitis among friends. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I don't know why they call it a cute, because
it is not a cute.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Okay, Well, you're welcome here anyway, as long as you're
far away.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
From me, right, Yeah, lots of hand sanitizer, lots of lysol.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Ver studio glass dividing us. Thank god.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I'm thinking alcohol is good and that's just the stuff
you drink.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
So there you go, a little bit of tea and
honey with that. I've heard that works.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, there you go. So I guess this on after
show today is Toledo Dayers, since you guys are in
Toledo and Clint is in Toledo. Hey, Clint, Hi, Clint, Clint,
you're there. I'm here because we needed somebody we could
hang up on. All right, talked to me, Clint, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 7 (01:57):
All right? On my list of five firearms?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Oh, if we're doing the five guns you want to
get in twenty twenty five, okay on all the ears,
go for it.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
I know I will only be able to afford one,
but who knows next year and then one grand?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Why not? Five different grades?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Five different in one grands? Sure? Why not? Well? Yeah,
I mean, look that is just goofy enough to appeal
to me. It's like, Okay, you're my kind of gun geek.
You're going to get five in one, So talk to
me about different grades? What kind of grades are there?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
The CMP has different grades you ever, I believe the
lowest or the cheapest, is the rat grade, where it
would show a lot of wear, more or less a
wall hanger service grade. They're strictly shooters. It would be
a rifle that would function well. They all function properly,
(02:56):
but something that wouldn't have nearly the weares a rat grade.
It would be fair to good condition, and then they
have I believe the next grade would be professional grade.
They go up in price, of course, the further you
go up the ladder. One to rebuilt rebuild new stock,
which I don't really I don't care about having something
(03:17):
that looks new. I just I want something that shows
the history, although it would if it shot a minute
of angle, that would be good enough for me.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Okay, what is the top one? What's the top grade?
Speaker 7 (03:33):
The top grade? Offhand? I'm not sure the collector It
could be a collector's grade, where it would probably be
a near perfect new rebuilt. Yeah, Craig, do you.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Have any m ones now?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
No? I do not.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So whichever one you get is going to be your
initial one and you build off from there. So do
you think you're actually going to do that this year?
Speaker 8 (03:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:58):
I plan on going over to Port Clinton and looking
to go to their store and looking at some and
a friend of mine that's a member a shot at
Camp Perry is going to go with me. And I've
joined me a Grand Collectors Association and one of the requirements.
Plus they have a long background, so I'm good to
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go there.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
And for those who don't know the CMP, we're talking
about this civilian marksmanship program and they sell government surplus
grants as well as the other guns in nineteen elevens
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, some of them you have to
be in a lottery for right, get pulled, and then
others you can go into the store and make purchases
of what a.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Cool place Camp Perry is in general, though I mean
more than just the store, The whole thing is amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Well, after your purchase, are you interested in shooting the
one grand match that's held it Camp Arry?
Speaker 7 (04:55):
That could happen, I never know. I'm interested in a
serie for my first weapon. I've shot the high power
here around Toledo, Southern Michigan before, so I'm eating yeah, competitively,
but the grand mash would be a lot of five.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, great day.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, it's gotten so big to actually do it within
two days, so they shoot it both Saturday and Sunday
for those that are interested in a lot of history
and some really cool another.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Sunday Michelle will be off.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm just going to say, Clint, if you go do that,
you're liable to run into Michelle while you're walking around there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You never know.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
If that looks forward to meeting you.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Oh, that would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I appreciate that well, Clint. I love your list. It
is definitely one we have not had before. Five different
grades of the one grand and I just think that's
a terrific idea and there's a lot of history wrapped
up on that. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
And one more thing, I had a successful deer hunt
is Shue with my two fifty seven Roberts than my seven.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Oh that's great. Isn't that a great caliber?
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Excellent caliber?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, it is is. It's just such a peach to shoot,
it really is. Thank you, Claire. I appreciate your call, sir.
Speaker 8 (06:04):
You take you know, Tom, even if he doesn't get
all five this year, I mean it gets one or two,
he's on his way.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, you start that journey exactly. So Michelle, how many
times have you been to Camp Perry? For competitions.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh my gosh, I have no idea how many of
you missed.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
That'd be easy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
More more than a dozen.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
More than twenty.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah, probably right there about that that da Yeah, probably
around that kind of time frame.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Twenty different years. Have you ever been there, Tom, No, Oh,
it is cool.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
A couple of years ago Jim and I were Yeah,
because he hadn't ever been there either, so it was
a really.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Cool to say that anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
No, it was a fun day.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
When I got I would need to have a guide.
I wonder for who I get to talk to. Hmmm,
somebody had been there before you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now it's a pretty cool place, just the history of
the place to begin with, because it was a war
prison camp for Japanese soldiers at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I do believe I did not know that. Huh.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
I think it's called this shoot how to shoot out
over the lake Lake Erie. Yeah, actually have to clear
the boats out and stuff in case somebody misses the
burm and.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
That, right' it's just cool. Tom is saying maybe it
was Italian soldiers. I'm not sure, but it was a
it was a prison camp. They had little huts. They
are all being rebuilt and stuff now, making them a
little modernized because you can actually rent them and stay
right there on the premises.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well that's what you need.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
But yeah, you definitely you shoot off the lake. They
definitely close off the waters. And yeah, unfortunately there's ceasepires.
If somebody comes into uh comes into the lot, I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Can help them out on how far you have to
live eat a boat.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Sure there's an airport between here and their child, right intent.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
But yeah, they have oh my gosh, I mean they
start out small boar. They have air rifle constantly, so
they start small boar. They have pistol, the high power,
they do the palma, so they go out to a
thousand yards and yeah, it's it's pretty interesting because you
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never know what country a person will be from that
is on the line shooting.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh okay, and they come from all over the world, all.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Over the world, I mean, and people that come are
fascinated by the types of firearms that Americans are actually
able to own because in their country there's limitations.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, and I mean, and people are shooting on the line.
I mean lots and lots and lots of ars. I
mean that's kind of the standard. A lot of the.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Shooting right now it is yet used to be the
three h eight.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Right out shooting. They are five five six is out
there and then you got the grand matches and sounds
like it's a very large facility.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It's a large Facility's National Guard base is located there
as well. But yeah, it's it's a large facility, like
I say, like lots of history and stuff there.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But yeah, it's just a cool place.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And you know, lots of friends that are recollecting year
after year after year.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well that's it. You go year after year, you run
the same people. Then it becomes just that place. It's
your summer camp, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
It is, Yes, it becomes you know, your family all
in one. And yeah, you're you know, enemies against one
another when you're shooting, but for sure you do anything
that you can to help them out if something were
to go down.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
Now, how would you I'm sorry, go ahead, I say
you would help them out there or elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I'm sure you get the connections and you hear
from people throughout the.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Year, yes, absolute, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And of course Facebook has its own thing, you know,
but lots of times you become a closer friend than
that you know, an extended family, I guess because definitely
swept phone numbers. And you know there's all kinds of
patch exchanges and shirt exchanges and all that kind of
stuff that happens just like anywhere else with any other competition.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Sure, yeah, it is cool.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
So in looking up this information, Camp Perry was a
German and Italian.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, so thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
There you go, Thank you Tom keeping us straight on that. Yep,
this might be one of those places you add to
your I've always wanted to do that list and say okay,
and then in twenty twenty five, this is my year
to go to Camp.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Perry, right.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then there's I mean there's all kinds of instruction
interested in learning how to shoot small board pistol, you know,
high power, which is the AR. You can get instruction
by the Army Marksmanship Unit.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You can get instruction by the Marine Corps.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I mean, they have classes out there that you can
participate in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You don't have to have your own equipment. You can
you know, you can use it again.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean you could just show up and you could
find equipment to shoot.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, you want to borrow somebody's rifle and stuff, or
you know, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
People are weird out there, right, They let you do
these things. You know, you want to come and shoot.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, you know, place, here's a gun, here's here's a jacket,
here's the gear you need, here's some amo here, let's
go shoot, right yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Now, in all your experience, would you compare it or
how would you compare it to the American down southern
the Grand American.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I've never been you Nope, we'll never have been.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Because I was so impressed by Camparammell. He's got to
be like the Grand American, except different guns and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But right, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The Grand was held in Van Dalia for years and
years and years right outside of Dayton there.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, in the sense moved and it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Was next to the airport, and they closed one runway
of the commercial airport during the competitions. And you're out
there shooting, and people are, you know, lined up, and
I mean you're talking about a full miles worth of
trap fields, and these taxes, the big airliners are taxing
in front of them where they're shooting. They're shooting out
(12:19):
toward the airplane.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Oh yeah, but you know, no burms. But it's just
shotguns and it's you know, number eight, number nine shot
maybe I think they might use seven and a halfs.
It's the largest, so it's not going that far. But
it is a weird look to be shooting toward these
commercial airplanes.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yes, for sure, I just wondering.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And they're not that far away, I mean a half
mile maybe.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Well, I'm sure the experience has to be the same.
You know, you're looking up and down a line.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Full thousands of shoots.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, and it's you know, at least at Camp Perry,
they don't all shoot it once. I can't speak for
how the grand works, but you know there might be
four relays of people shooting, so two relays at a time,
you know, moving across the different shooting lines, and then
completely switch where you go down to something we call
(13:10):
the pits where you're actually pulling down the target and
scoring and throwing it back up in the air for
the person that's on the line shoe.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
So they've aught great at that though too. They've gone
digital n a lot of.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Electronic use, Yeah, a lot of electronic use, but there's
still those classic pitches and it was.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Such an experience, it was great.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, I would just say this, having been to the
Grand in Fandaelia and it was unique and historic, and
John Phillips sues a shot there that kind of thing,
and now it's moved to Illinois, to Spark Illinois. It's
not the same. It's big, but it doesn't have that
same touch of history. I'm just going to throw this
out that every time you think something's always going to
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be the same, it never is. And if you've said
I always wanted to go to Camp Perry, go ahead
and go, because you never know when something happens and
they're not hole.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
That time you mentioned something a minute ago and you
were having a bullet list of different guns and types,
et cetera.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
You were caring. And I have a category I think
you need to touch on after this break.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, that would be the full auto category of you,
and I just checked the box on damn you. Okay,
we'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 4 (15:09):
All right, we're back. And I have always thought it'd
be cool to have full auto. I never had full auto,
and then today and I did my enabling thing. I
was doing my duty for you there, Jim.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yeah, thanks Bell for sureciate that.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
So we both bought our first full auto today.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah, pull pulled the proverbial trigger.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
And it wasn't ten fifteen grand like you think starting
prices are in full auto. Maybe a percent of that
was that.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I'm thinking under two hundred bucks. So where do we get.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
A two can z two powered full auto? Be begun.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Because it's just so ridiculously goofy.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
The time wanted to suppress his I thought there was
a little bit over the top, but you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Well, here I was going to play Pats.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
You know, plants, Pats platform something that you want to do,
go do it?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah it there you gory id you want to do it,
just go do it? So I did. I just didn't
go real far with them. It's like okay, under two
hundred bucks, and I can afford the demo, correct, I
can afford the bbes. I don't know if I can
afford that many Coeo two cartridges. Scuba tank impressed, scuba tank.
I like this.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yes, you could practice in your basement, right if you
had one of those handy little indoor traps.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You know. And I have videos of like this kid
shooting a whole bunch of balloons with Oh yeah, just
I'm all in the problem is I think the magazine
only hosts twenty five bullets or BB's or something.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Well, we're going to make a drum for that thousand
round drum drum.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I told Jim we were going to go belt fit.
He was was not impressed with the idea of having
to put BB's in a belt.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
I can't find a belt to fit me. Oh and
there you go, Tom, there's a picture for you, mister
Henny Crossman.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
So it's a good brand, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Crossman, you know, I mean I don't know who makes it.
Everybody sure getting stuff made everywhere. But I mean, look,
just for the goofiness of having people over and saying
you want to come shoot my full auto. Now, it's
not an actual firearm, right, correct, Yeah, which is good
because this way it gets mailed to your house.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I told Tom I was looking all over. I couldn't
find an air FFL. No, Jim, no Jim, it's not
gone to don't have it. It's a deep mus clone.
It looks like to me.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
So you guys need to make up your own Christmas
story videos.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
You shoot all your eyes out and all your buddy's
eyes out.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Ye done.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I don't I didn't check the video. I don't know
what the cyclic rate.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Before.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I say, like twelve hundred a minute or something. I
did read it. Call.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yes, it doesn't take long to go through twenty five.
Oh so you shoot a little and you load a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It's kind of like that most loader thing that Michelle
does well.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And here's the good thing, though, you won't have a
sore thumb, will you.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Jamming magazine twenty five rounds, fourteen hundred rpm.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
It's not like some of those magazines that hold seventeen
and once you get to twelve you're like, forget it,
You're toosed.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I'm out of you.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Call the kids over, hedy, guys going to finish this
up for me.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
If you want seventeen loaded, then you get a twenty
five round mag right.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Right, Well, luckily we have friends in the world that
have some cheater items.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For us to use.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah, did you use a mag loader I have? Yeah,
we use the oop Lula magazine loaders or their thumb
saver for sure.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
You know, I still only go twenty seven though. Oh
for r R man, I don't go thirty anyway.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, a lot of people say twenty seven and twenty eight.
They have a loader for the ars. Very expensive, but man,
is it amazingly good.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I think like Caldwell makes some yeah, make some well yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, those are not terrible. The up Lula one was
like four hundred bucks. Yeah, but you lay it, just
throw all the ambo down and goes shoop. I mean
you could load a thirty round bag in ten seconds
less than that maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah that called well's what sixty seventy five dollars?
I want to say.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Maybe I don't know, Michelle, I wanted in the knife
rights dot org Graffle. Yeah, one, like I don't know,
four or five hundred bucks worth of Caldell stuff at
phones and targets.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, last Street cool. Okay, good old knife rights knife
rights dot org. If people want to sign up and
check out their ultimate steel Giveaway sweep steaks, they do,
which there are some really cool stuff. It gets, uh
you know, auctioned off or you get as you did,
win it as a raffle item.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Right to bear arms which knives are my friends?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yes they are well and it probably brings up it
this time of year.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
A good I guess, commitment to yourself to put some
money back into the community that we love so much. Right,
giving back to these organizations is a.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Part of the community. Yeah, I'm part of the community.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
You've heard of. Go fund Tom.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Haven't you go fund Tom?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Not? Go fund fund Tom? Habits? Think of all the
bebes I gotta buy now.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, Gosh, you should wear some rubber gloves. You know.
You don't want to be contaminating yourself that much lead.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Okay, so lad bebies come on.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We I used to remember they're all Daisy twenty five,
the scissor action pump yep. It pins a snot out
of you. But you take the unscrew that magazine out
of the barrel and have to load it up and
follow with those bbes and trying to get them in
that little hole. We figured out the way to do
that when I was a kid, is you take all
those bbes and put them in your mouth and then
(21:08):
get them into the magazine. Right, I can't have been
the only person who did that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Oh, we got a lawyer calling in in line four. Here, Tom,
let's talk to you about.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm surprised there's not a lawyer advertisement.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
That's right. You may be a title of some compensation.
I can't imagine why the inside of that baby gun rusted.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No idea why that would have happened.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Mistergretion, Do you have any proof that your damage? Have
you listened to the show?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I didn't lick a walls. I was just loading my
bb gunesspared.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Well, bebes are steel, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
They are?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So you can use a magnet.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Sometimes they're copper coated, right, they're still magnetic.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Here's my point.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yes, yes, it's correct. And I know this because they
will bounce off of something and come back hit you
right in the forehead. My just saying, how would you
know that you can actually put your eye out with
one of those suckers shot?
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I have the kids every time because we start out
on bb before we go up to twenty two and
even even on bb what.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Do we need bbes for? And one time glasses?
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Yeah yeah, and uh one times I was shooting, so
we come on, we need for this.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I'm like, yeah, bam, hit me, came back, hit me.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And the glasses.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, see teacher, they do bounce off a board to
bounce off of all sorts of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course you never wore glasses when I was shooting
as a kid, because back in the early days before
safety was invented.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Before eyes.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah yeah, before eyes. There you go. Well, I figure
you got to come on.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
You got it would be cool if they made bbies
out of tanner. Oh my stuff, I'm gonna work on
this time.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, and it was nice knowing you.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Rounds of tanner per minute.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
There he goes again. So Jim and I will be
getting our product launchers here. So for that was fun.
Oh before I forget, we do have two days left
on this crazy promotion from Smith and Wesson, and it's
like a one hundred bucks off of some models, one
hundred and fifty bucks off rebate on other models, and
(23:21):
then some of the dealers out there are offering their
own discounts, and there are some stupidly good deals on
some really nice Smith and Western revolvers right now.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Some of them are thirteen fourteen hundred bucks. And by
the time you get the discouncsert and there's seven and
a half.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, seven and a half something like that crazy stuff.
It's like you really yeah, but who'd want a revolver.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Me?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You know, a nice revolver is so much fun to shoot,
you tease. It's just different, you know, you know what
I want. I don't have one. I want to get
one of those new Lipsy's Carry revolvers they did with Smith,
and they're all slipped up, tuned up with really good,
(24:05):
really good sites for a two inch barrel revolver. But
in thirty two eight and.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Arms, that's saying what caliber are we talking with?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yes, we would get thirty two come on you.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Oh yeah, which are really not They're smooth.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's black and bronze, I believe right. Cylinder is a
bronze color.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
It starts with the three to two. She knows everything
about it. Oh, there are such and such.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And they have it in thirty eight. But then that's
a five shot, so you get it in thirty two.
It's a five six shot and with some of the
really good ammo. And you know what's happening. A lot
of people now on the defensive side, they're loading lead
wadcutters in these because they're saying they get actually as
good or better penetration out of those. And at the
(24:54):
velocities are shooting, the HaLow points aren't expanding anyway. There's
just not enough velocity to get them to expand. So
I just shoot it as a wadcutter.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yep, about wadcutters, they kind of faded away, didn't they
for a while?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Woodcutters that's my favorite amo to shoot.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Yeah, but I mean like in the eighties and nineties
people still shot it, but you know, like you couldn't
hear anything about it until a couple of years exo.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So it most people have never shot a wadcutter. If
you shoot one on paper targets, you will be amazed.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Right Michelle, Absolutely, yes, here, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
What's the difference. You get these beautiful paper whole puncher
holes that are perfectly cut out circles instead of punched
in things, and that's why you use them for target shooting.
You get these clean edges.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yes, well, and it sounds crazy, but I much prefer
shooting one hundred and fifty eight grain wadcutter. We're talking
thirty eight specials here, then one hundred and thirty grain
round nose piece of ammunition.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I know that sounds crazy. It just to me it's
a lot smoother.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I don't think the recoil is as but yeah, it's
like you say, though, obviously the biggest part of that
is it leaves a nice paper punch spot.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
It's just beautiful.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
But to me, it's just a lot nicer shooting than
the one hundred and thirty green AMMO.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And now people are loading. Get you can get loaded
AMMO with defensive lead wadcutter loads, particularly in thirty two
h and R.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
That would be a cool defensive WORLDCRT. What's the difference.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
More velocity? Your typically your target wadcutters aren't going that fast,
and they pump it up a little bit more to
get you just a little more energy.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Okay, well, I got it.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I prefer the thirty two h and R meg over
the regular thirty two long AMMO for defensive round anyways,
But you know, it's kind of a circular world right
where we're coming back to using the whole the whole
wadcutter and going back to a full lead thing here.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And back to the Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, because I mean, what do we use for deer
honey of full leads waged bullets.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's what we use, you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Know, So it just makes sense that it would be
a good self defense round.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It works, it works, So there you go. So for
people to think of what am I going to buy
in twenty twenty five, There you go, get your revolver
and explore that world. Once you get started, it's just
so much fun.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well, Tom, if you come across any of those thirty twos,
go ahead, take advantage of the rebates and get us
a couple.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah, there you go. It's a group buy. I wonder
if they're cheaper by the desert.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
I was going to tell him to check for airports
in your camp, Perry and come visit us in July.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah they should.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They got. Look, if you've got a thousand yard range,
I can land on.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
That ceasefire incoming single engine.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You see a boat, No it's an airplane. No, okay,
how part you have to leave an airplane?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It's crazy, you know, dear geese, eagles stuff everywhere there,
Jim Jim, you know.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Bit my tongue.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
But no, they've shut down the range for all kinds
of things. So you know we're.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Sure walking across the range. Did he caused a ceasefire?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Bird plane?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Jim Jim, get off the range more getting an awful
lot of silence over here. There must have been a
thing that happened.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Yeah, well, we got a new year. I'm just starting
my resolution just a little bit earlier.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
There you go, all before.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I speak, No, never mind, no shooting in the air.
No shooting in the air. People don't beat that. Those people.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Ye there you go, all right, be safe in your travels,
my friend.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I will. We're on the home leg now.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's six thousand miles and boy is my rear end sore.
Speaker 10 (28:48):
So let me tell you thanks for that visual And
on that note, Gepyia here, Okay, you guys have a
great and safe new year.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Thank you too. We'll catch you next time for the
gun talk after show. H
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