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-- Colorado is rushing to enact a law banning almost all semi-auto firearms, including rifles, pistols and many shotguns. NSSF's Larry Keane sounds the alarm.
-- Range Ready Studios offers a special class featuring the Jacob Grey double-stack 1911 pistol.
-- Will your gun safe protect the contents in a massive fire like those in California?
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-- Colorado is rushing to enact a law banning almost all semi-auto firearms, including rifles, pistols and many shotguns. NSSF's Larry Keane sounds the alarm.
-- Range Ready Studios offers a special class featuring the Jacob Grey double-stack 1911 pistol.
-- Will your gun safe protect the contents in a massive fire like those in California?
Gun Talk 01.12.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Gresham here. If
you want to join us, that's pretty easy, call me
at Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know that we also do the after show. We
do the regular show that runs on all the radio stations,
and then we throw in a little extra little nand
yap as we say in Louisiana, and that becomes part
of the podcast that we put up let's call the
after show. Well, during the after show today Jim and
I got we talk about our brand new non guns.
We just got fully automatic BB guns and they're not
(00:41):
firearms and they're baby gun so they're just fun and
stupid and a lot of times stupid goes with fun,
so you got to be careful about that. But yeah,
we'll have some information about that. On a more serious note,
we have new legislatures coming in. We have do Congress
(01:02):
coming in. But sometimes as the legislatures are going out,
or maybe even the new ones, we've got crazy stuff
going on. Michigan, of course, they're trying to outlaw deceptively
colored firearms. I know it makes no sense at all,
but out in Colorado it's quite a bit more than that.
It's quite sinister and quite important for us to know
(01:23):
what's going on. So nobody better to explain this than
Larry Keen. He's a senior vice president, he's the general
counsel over the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Probably you wear
several other hats as well, Larry, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Thanks Tom, thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You bet okay, So you sounded the alarm. I had
just seen what was going on at Colorado, but I
didn't think I really understood it. And then you said, hey,
we really really need to get the word out. Why
don't I give you the floor and explain what they
are doing and what the threat is.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Sure Colorado, the new legislature is introduced the bill Senate
Bill three, which is essentially a state version of the
Go Safe Bill introduced by Senator Martin Heinrich and Senator
(02:14):
Angus King, and the Colorado Bill would basically not just
ban modern sporting rifles, but it was essentially ban semi
automatic rifles and handguns that have detachable magazines. So it's
you know, a complete gun grab. It's the worst gun
(02:38):
grab bill we have ever seen. And so you know,
the legislature in Colorado is increasingly anti gun. This is
the number one priority we are told for every down
this year, at least in Colorado. And there's a very
short window of opportunity to stop this legislation. So we
(03:02):
need everybody to, particularly if you live in Colorado, right,
get educated on the bill and make your voice heard
by contacting your state senators, your representatives. And very importantly,
we need to stop the Governor Polis's gun ban. And
(03:22):
that's what this is, if Governor Poulis's gun ban. And
so we need everybody to make the governor understand that
he's got to kill this bill. He needs to veto
up this bill that gets to his desk. We're told
he is aspirations are running for president. Well, can't find
a gun ban and run for president in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So, Larry, let me make sure that people caught that
what you said. This would not only ban like your
AR fifteens, but it would ban any semi automatic rifle
that takes a detachable magazine. But also so here's the
real kicker. Semi automatic pistols, handguns that have a detachable magazine.
(04:06):
That's your glauxious smith in Westn's your rugers. I mean,
on and on and on. Basically, all your nine millimeters
semi automatics, forty five semi automatics, all of those would
fall into this, wouldn't we Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's a massive gun band. Massive, it's the worst you've
ever seen. So it see, isn't just you know, like
a state version of Feinstein's assault weapons ban. This is
more like the Illinois law, but it is modeled after
the Go. Say fact that Martin Heinrichs and or Martin
(04:40):
Heinluz in Mexico and Angus King's remain introduced was a
house version introduced by one of the leading hand to
Go house members. So this is a I mean, it
is no Joe. This is a massive gun band, the
likes of which we have never seen. You know, don't
don't worry about the and the sides of the magazine.
(05:01):
Just ban magazine. You know, band Jones with a taxable magazine,
because you know, that's virtually all modern handguns and the
allomatic handguns. It's virtual most rifles. You'll be up with
revolvers in bulk action rifles and guns with fixed magazines
and lever actions. Right, so it is a massive gun
(05:22):
band Larry.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Doesn't this serve as a really good example for what
the gun band lobby, the gunman industry really wants to do,
even though they keep saying nobody wants to take away
your guns, at the same time they try to ban
virtually everything. I mean, doesn't this actually reveal them for
the liars they are.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yes, it completely does, right, I mean, as they always
look you all, it's we're not going to ban your guns.
And this still of course only applies to you know,
on a going forward basis, but because they can't get
away with h going you know, and taking guns from
people that they already lawfully because that's although we see
(06:05):
that tried from time to time. So you know, they
say the support the Second Amendment, you can keep in
their arms. Only the ones that they say you can
have will courtly violates the Second Amendment. It bands commonly
owned firearms. So we need everybody to call Governor paulus
(06:26):
and even we need to light up his switchboard. Call
three oh three eight sixty six two four seven one,
and call your state legislators, your Senators, your house members,
particularly if you live in Colorado, U and make your
(06:47):
voice heard.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Let me get that out again. Three h three eight
six six two four seven one Larry, let me ask
you guys just before you got honest explaining what happened
with the Supreme Court and the conference about the Snopes
case on Friday. And then tomorrow we'll find out if
they're going to grant cert or if they're going to
relist it, or what they're going to do. But this
(07:11):
is all part of a larger overall package of Right now,
the Second Amendment is under assault throughout a number of
states which seem to basically be thumbing their nose at
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Absolutely, so we will find out tomorrow if you're going
to grant shirt or deny shirt or conference that you'll
postpone a decision. Again. There's also the Ocean State Tactical
case out of the first things for the Rhode Island challenge,
and you know the NFCF case of the Seventh Circuit
is pending. In all these other cases in the Vine Circuit,
(07:48):
you know, it was encouraging to see Justice Thomas Alito
and Gorsicch while agreeing to deny shirt in the whole
y E case, making it very clear that when the
case is rife, they would grant shirt, you know, on
that fat spirit of a looa. But the circuit courts
(08:12):
are thumbing their nose. The state supreme courts in gun
control states are thumbing their nose at the Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court really needs to take the case.
And I think the fourth case Spokes is ideally situated,
as is the Ocean State tactical, and it's time for
(08:33):
them to step in. And it seems at least three
judges justices rather are prepared to do that. And I
think there are others who are hopeful and optimistic that
we will grant shirt. And you know, it's unfortunate that
courts are thumbing their nose at the Supreme Court and
(08:54):
ignoring the Heller decision, ignoring Bruin and and you know,
avoiding the consequences.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Right right, one other thing before I hit my break
here we have to go. We just had introduced into
the Senate and the House uh national reciprocity bills where
if you have a conceal carry permit in your state,
it would be honored in all states. How do you
handicap that. What's the because I know there are some
Republicans who may not even want that. What's the likelihood
(09:26):
of us actually getting a national reciprocity of law.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, I think it can pass the House. It'll be
very close just because of the margins, and it's going
to take a lot of work. And in the Senate,
you know, I think there, you know, you could probably
get fifty north to the fifty three. Whether you can
get to sixty remains to be seeing. Believe you know,
(09:51):
we need to keep advocating for that because no longer
constitutional life stops at your state border. You'll fort Amendment
right to the fifty Amendment rights stop just because you
crossed state lives. The Supreme Court is made clear that
you have a constitutional like to keep their arms, and
you shouldn't become a felon or a criminal simply because
(10:14):
you made a wrong term. Once that poor woman in
Pennsylvania you had a cut, lost and ended up in
New Jersey and went went to prison.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yep, Shandeana Allen exactly. We worked. We were on the
forefront of getting her out of there. So that's a
prime example. She took the wrong turn. She was going
to a birthday party of all things. Thought that her
kurry permanent in Pennsylvania would be good. In New Jersey,
it wasn't and they sent her to jail.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And it is encouraging to see so many senators signed
on to Senator Cornynsville he's the leading that bill in
the Senate and Congressman Hudson in the House. So we're optimistic.
I think it'll certainly get hearings, and I think it'll
get voted out of the committees and whether you can
get and you know, out of the chamber. You know,
(11:03):
we will certainly be working in that direction. It's necessary.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And you know it's it's no different than you know,
driving a car across state lines. I mean, you know,
their life could recognize another states. Why can't that TVKS
for uh for concealed carry permit see a law body
citizen commited no crime. Uh. And doesn't mean that the
(11:28):
states can't regulate at all. I mean they're limited obviously
for the second.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That but they can't but they can't ban it because
that is covered by the Second Endment. And Supreme Court
has said you have a right to bear arms. Uh. Larry,
I got to have a scoot here. I tell you what.
I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate nssf's efforts on this.
And I'll see you in about a week in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yes, it is, thanks a friend. If you take care,
we'll see you there.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Thanks God.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
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Speaker 2 (14:28):
So what's on your list? What are your plans for
this year, think about getting into a new kind of shooting.
Maybe take up competition shooting of some form or fashion. Maybe,
I don't know. Long range shooting is such a big
deal now. And look, if you have not done long
(14:50):
range target shooting with a rifle, it sounds like, well
you just yeah, okay, just have to shoot better, shoot
smaller groups, maybe hold a little high. That's really not it.
There's so much to it. There's so much to learn,
so much to master, and that's what makes it fun,
(15:15):
the fact that it is. Actually it's you know, if
you move from all the specifics of numbers three hundred
yards out to six hundred yards, well it's not twice
as hard. It's probably four times as hard. And then
when you move out to a thousand yards it's probably five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten times harder. I mean, it's you're down to where
(15:38):
the smallest little things make a difference. How you interface
with the rifle, how you have cheek pressure, how much
pressure are you putting on the grip, Are you actually
touching the rifle at all, or are you just touching
the trigger? On and on and on. Obviously trying to
(16:00):
figure out the wind. It's a big deal. In some
of these schools, they'll partner you up and you spend
sometimes shooting, and you spend sometimes as the spotter for
a shooter. Because as the spotter looking through a spotting scope,
watching the mirage, watching the wind, you can learn a lot,
(16:21):
and then watching someone else shoot, you can learn a lot.
And then I heard of something I was not familiar with.
We have two shooters on target same time. And the
deal is one of them is the first shooter, and
one of them is the second shooter, and the second
shot maybe only be like one second behind the first.
(16:41):
And here's why. The first person shoots, and assuming it's
not a hit, but they can see where the bullet goes,
the second shooter can adjust from that, assuming they're both
sighted in the same and say, okay, that shot went
eight inches left. I'm going to just switch overhold eight
inches right and press the triggers like bang bang, Just
(17:04):
like that, there's a way of getting that second shot
on target. Fascinating, think, well, who would come up with that?
People who do this all the time, people just shoot
all the time. They come up with stuff like that.
It's one of the reasons that I love going to
shooting schools. And it doesn't to me. It doesn't matter
if it's a rifle school, handguns or shotguns. I have
(17:28):
learned so much about wing shooting at shotgun schools and
things where you're thinking, well, what is there to know?
You just swing out and shoot in front of a
clay target, right, not really a lot of details. I mean,
if you're shooting regular clay targets, where do you hold
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before you call for the target? Where do you look?
Where's your insertion point? How much do you lead or
do you lead at all? Or is it not really
a lead? But it's more about muscle velocity to swing,
the speed of the buzzles swinging. It just goes on
and on and on, and you don't There's no way
for you to know this stuff without going to people
(18:10):
who do it all the time. We think about it
all the time, maybe who have been winning national competitions
for a long time. I mean when I go, I
just did that class down range ready called the Diagnostic
Pistol Instructor. And I've been to a lot a lot
of handgun classes. I've been to Gunsight who knows a
(18:33):
dozen times, been to thunder Ranch several times, been to
the Sick Academy, been to the Shoe Right Academy when
Tiger was running that, been to the Fires Academy of Seattle,
been to tach Pro in Texas. I mean, on and
lots and lots, And then I go to this class
and they go, Okay, what am I going to learn here?
A lot actually turns out because Chris teaches things differently
(18:54):
than other people do. Each instructor teaches different things because
they think about it differently. They're getting you. Here's the
interesting part. Eventually, they're getting you to do the same thing.
What do you think about it. We're gonna put shots
on target in the case of handguns, shots on target
more quickly. We're gonna be fast and accurate. In the
(19:16):
case of rifles, we're gonna put shots on target at distance.
In the case of shotgun, we're gonna be breaking targets again,
shots on target. But they're teaching you different ways to
accomplish it, different ways to think about it, different ways
of holding your gun, different ways of where you look,
different ways of prepping the trigger, different ways. It's like
(19:37):
all the stuff you're going wow, And for me, I look,
I like learning new things, and it doesn't really matter
if it's guns, or driving, or flying an airplane or
running a snowmobile, which I didn't do real well at that.
I was always the guy who was upside down in
the snow bank with his feet sticking up in the air.
(20:00):
That's why I ended up getting rid of the snowmobiles.
The whole deal of the Louisiana guy on a snowmobile.
That's just not a real good combination. As we learned,
That's okay. It was fun and I learned a lot
of stuff, so I still injured. Enjoyed the learning process,
but I love learning new things. And man, when you
can go take a two or three day class somewhere
(20:21):
and you come away with things that are in your head,
you go, man, I just I hear that instructor, I
hear what he's saying, I hear what she's saying there.
It's like it's stuck. And then you go back to
the range and you're playing that tape back. It's like
that video. You get to play it over and over again.
From that class, you go, Okay, ah, that's what I'm
doing wrong. I need to slow down, need to do
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this thing. In my case, Chris figured out, believe it
or not, I was. I was shooting to the left
a little bit with my pistol, not low and left
like you're yanking the trigger, but just straight left. And
it's the weirdest thing. He said, Well, increase with your
left thumb on a two handed grip. With your left thumb,
(21:05):
apply pressure to the side of the pistol. Apply more
pressure to the side of not the slide, but the
natural frame of the pistol, and press in hard with
your left thumb. Okay, that sounds simple. I started doing
that and I'm drilling, cutting just a ragged hole out
of the middle of the target. I would never have
(21:29):
come up with that on my own, would not have
thought about it. I mean, makes sense now that you
think of right. Okay, yeah, because you're putting pressure on
the right side of the gun, holding it right handed
and pressing that trigger and kind of moving the gun
to the left a little bit with the trigger press
and we'll just offset that by putting pressure with your
left thumb, press in hard on the left side of
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the pistol. Huh Okay. I became a better shooter from that.
Even though I have been to dozens of shooting skoo
there's always something in there for you. So I guess
I would say, if you're thinking about what I want
to do this year, find a good class somewhere, a
good shooting school, enroll and get there. Maybe range Radish studios,
(22:12):
maybe somewhere else. All right back with you here, I'm
going to share with you what was it two weird now,
maybe three weeks ago now? I was in San Antonio
stopped by Johnny Dewry's place, Dury's Guns, and they fortunately
(22:35):
had a knife sharpener. I had just seen and thought,
that is the coolest thing I have seen in a while.
And I bought three of them, one for me, one
for each of a couple of my buddies. It's called
the Look. I have no commercial attachment to this at all,
don't know the people there, don't know anything about it.
Just saw this knife sharpen and went, that is the
(22:55):
slickest deal. It's called the war Hog knife Sharpener warthogusa
dot com. And it's called what do they call this?
The V sharp knife sharpener. It looks like a Rube
Goldberg thing with moving parts and everything and not electric,
simple simple simple, really almost impossible to not get a
good sharp edge on your knife and fun to use.
(23:18):
As soon as you get it, you start sharpening all
your knives. And I mean, I'm a knife guy. I
always have a knife in my pocket, at least one have,
probably since I've been in not maybe not grade school,
but certainly a junior higher high school. And I always
had a knife in our pocket at school. And so
for me, a knife's got to be sharp. You know
what you call a dull knife a stick, it's not
(23:43):
really a knife anyway, Just kind of passing along something
I found that I like that you may want to
take a look at. Maybe you like it. It's called
Warthog Sharpeners and warhog usa dot com. So there you go.
Take a look at Oh, look at the video of it.
You go, oh, man, so cool. That'd be fun to you.
So there you go. Let's say, let's go to John
(24:03):
online one out of Claremore, Oklahoma. John, we were talking
about the fires out in Colorado and how you protect stuff.
I think you got a take on this. Now, I'm sorry,
I said, Colorado'm at California. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, you were talking about the fire resistance of your
gun safe and I wanted to point out that I
bought a fire resistant box just a Walmart first Alert
or something, and I put my passports and anything valuable
inside that box and then put the whole box inside
(24:39):
my safe.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Interesting. Okay, so you know Belgian suspenders, I mean, and
what you're doing and I know you know this, you're
what you're doing is buying more time, because the fire
resistance is about time and different ratings inside of a
gun safe, or about how long it will last. Oh,
here's a question for do you know what they put
(25:02):
in gun safes to make them fire resistant?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It looks like drywall to me.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's exactly what it is. It's sheet rock, drywall. It's
exactly what it is, which is one of the reasons
they're so darn and heavy. But yes, I hope you
never have to find out if that works for you,
because I hope you never have to go through a fire.
But I kind of like where you're going. The added
protection is kind of a smart idea. So what kind
of gun safety you have.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
A good plan? I think?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, So what kind of gun safety you have?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Oh gosh, it's not anything terribly fancy. I believe it's
a Dakota. It's I think rated at seventy five minutes
at fifteen or sixteen hundred degrees.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yep, that sounds good. That's not a bad rating. That's
kind of what you get generally speaking. And then by
putting your stuff into a fire resistant they don't really
call it fireproof anymore. Fire resistant box inside of the
fire is safe. You're probably you could be close to
doubling that, So that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I do have an inventory on a CD that is
at my daughter's house.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
How did you reach the point where you decided to
do that? Because most people don't whatever one don't think
about it, and then those who think about it don't
actually do it. So how did you get to the
point where you said, I'm actually going to do this.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Oh gosh, I don't know. It just seemed like the
right thing to do. So it happened almost immediately after
a bout the safe. I thought, it's you know, if
my passports are still going to burn up if they're
in there, and they may still burn up, but like
you said, I'm trying to buy a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right well, as you know we talk about this, there's
no people still how could I be safe? And I
always say you can't, there's no such thing actually as
being safe. All you're doing is trying to manage risk,
personal risks and property risk, and then okay, risk of
how does you know can I recover from this? And
do I have insurance? And do I have an amatory list?
(27:06):
And one of the things I learned is that going
through your house and slowly shooting video of every wall,
and then opening every closet, shooting video everything in there,
and then opening every cabinet of everything that's in there.
It's amazing how you will forget a lot of the
stuff that you own after a fire or a loss
(27:28):
of some sort. And then you go back to the video,
you go, oh yeah, but you got to your point.
You got to start somewhere that's not like on a
hard drive or in your computer at your house where
that burns up. Right, All right, let's switch to the
fun stuff. What's the last gun you shot?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Oh? Gosh, probably an AR fifteen that I assembled. Oh really, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you get into building ars?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, you know, the first one I built, I bought
a complete upper and I assembled the lower, and I
had so much fun doing that that I built two
more of them from the almost no two pieces touching.
It was just very enjoyable to do it and be
(28:25):
able to hit something when you're done.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
It's kind of like catching a fish on a fly
that you tied yourself. Is that I did all that?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now did you build different configurations of ars?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I have one heavy twenty inch barrel that's kind of
a varmint rifle, and then I have a smaller, more tactical.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Okay, fun, next thing, you got to build your an
ar pistol, right, or.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I'm thinking I'm might try something with a little more
thump than a five five six?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I haven't you know, I really don't know. The six
milimeter arc looks pretty cool, the Grendel, But then I think, well,
maybe I want to try something like the forty five calibers.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Or a three hundred blackout with a can never know that.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
See there's just no end of this, dude. Then that
people say, well, how could you possibly have like six ars?
And I think, well, that's what we call a good start.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I collect parts. When I see
something that's really cheap but it looks like a good bargain,
I'll pick up a part here. And there, and eventually
I have enough to build a rifle.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can buy a stripped ar up lower, a stripped
lower for like forty.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
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I'll just remind I just online I saw a post
from our friends who were simply rugged holsters, and they're
talking about gun belts, thinking, you know, it's time to
mention that again. Absolutely, the best way to increase the
comfort of carrying a gun on your belt all day
long is to have a really good gun belt. Not
(33:21):
just a good belt. It's got to be a gun belt,
a gun made for carrying a gun, because they're stiff,
not just thick, but stiff. And a good gun belt
which costs somebody. You're not going to get one for
ten or twelve bucks. You know you're gonna be paying
fifty sixty seventy bucks for a good gun belt, and
once you get it, you're gonna go Holy cow. Tom
(33:42):
was right. This is comfortable, I mean, because you're carrying
around a pound or two on your waist all the time,
and a good gun belt can make a huge difference.
And pay attention to their sizing guides because you can't
really order the standard length of belt that you wear
for your pants because if you've got to be especially
(34:03):
if you're carrying inside the waistband. But I would just
suggest that if you either don't have a good gun
belt or if you had one for a number of years,
they slowly lose their rigidity. They just get more pliable,
and all of a sudden it's just not quite as
good and it's time to replace it. So a good
(34:24):
gun belt is a really worthwhile purchase. So just throwing
that out for you. Thinking about we were talking about
ballistics and trajectory and all that and maybe reloading and velocities.
A couple of websites that I use all the time
free one's called shooters Reference dot Com. I have no
idea who these guys are, but they've got reloading data
(34:48):
for everything there. And I think what they do is
they go to all the different various sources, you know,
Hodged and Sierra Barns Nozzler, and they can file all
that information. See if you're thinking, well, I'm thinking about
maybe a two seventy and one hundred and thirty grand bullet,
what can I expect for velocity? They got it all
there shooters shooters Reference dot Com. And the other one
(35:11):
I use, again free is JBM Ballistics Jbmballistics dot com,
and they have information on the external ballistics trajectory and
wind drift. So you put in, Okay, I've got this bullet,
this is the ballistic coefficient, it weighs this much, it's
this caliber, it's going this fast, I'm shooting at this elevation,
(35:34):
it's this temperature. You plug it all in and there's
all your information. So if you're kind of geeky on
this stuff the way I am, I will sit there
and go, well, what about this, Well, well, let's compare
the two seventy to the two eighty. Let's compare this
to that esoteric stuff that actually doesn't matter at all.
And I get that. I understand. I realized I'm just
(35:55):
goofy about this kind of stuff. But so that's kind
of stuff I do. So I pop back and forth
between JBM Ballistics, JBM Ballistics, and shooters Reference dot com.
So just kind of information for you there. When it
comes to where to get your information about Second Amendment,
(36:17):
what's going on there, there's a really good websites called
the reload dot com. But that is a paywall deal
where you have to pay to have access to it.
But if you really want to know what's going on,
you know at the NRA, you know in the courts
what people are saying. They do a really good job
(36:38):
of that. So if you're looking for references or resources,
you've got that going for you. Maybe you have your
own special places that you like to go in terms
of information. I'd love to know what those are, because
it's always fun to discover a new source of information
again the learning process, Right, Where can I go to
get good info? Who can I watch online? Colion Noir
(36:59):
is a pretty good one on YouTube for his videos.
Obviously I would send you to our videos. Gun Talk
you may not know, by the way, curse to me.
I mean, you know about this program, which is a
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random thoughts about now hunting with various stuff it's just
we're putting out content all the time. The other thing,
and I mentioned this earlier, we talked to Ryan about it.
I just discovered this. I keep this screen on my
computer in front of me during the show today because
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I am lusting over this pistol, the Jacob Gray Firearms pistol.
They call it the TWC nine. TWC stands for throwback
with capacity, So it's a nineteen eleven pistol high end,
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very high end, but double stack, so you got the
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If you want to know a boy about that, that class,
you're gone out before the end of the week. I
guarantee it. Well, these are fun. We were talking about
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the two seventy Winchester turning one hundred that's from when
it was introduced. It was actually created a couple of
years earlier, but it was introduced in nineteen twenty five.
And so I get this email. I actually got a
couple of them here. This is from Allen in Oregon,
says Tom. I've carried my dad's two seventy models seventy
manufactured in nineteen forty eight since about nineteen sixty, when
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my dad's health wouldn't allow him to hike the Idaho Hills,
I have harvested eight to ten mule deer an elk
at a prong horn. At a gun show, I was
able to purchase a nineteen forty nine to seventy Winchester
Model seventy. My number three son currently has it and
calls it a true rifleman's rifle. He has put in
(39:56):
his DIBs to inherent grandpa's to when I am no
longer able to hike the mountains. Newer rifles may be
more accurate and perhaps lighter, but I wouldn't trade my
father's to seventy for anything. Yeah, that's kind of it,
isn't it. So then we got casts who says, uh,
(40:21):
the two seventy just flat out works always has. He says,
the two seventy is my main stay. Last ELK got
killed was three rounds at six hundred and sixty seven yards.
He says, I could not get any closer. One of
the three rounds entered one of the previous entrance holes
three exits using one hundred and fifty green LASR long
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range acubine. Those are good bullets with BC on those,
if I remember right, is five ninety one, and I
think I looked that up earlier today. As a matter
of fact, to seventy just keeps working. And you know
what's great about it? Oh yeah, points out also, remember
we have better powders now that we didn't have before.
We actually have more velocity out of these cartridges than
we had before. And the other part of it is
(41:05):
as mentioned here, is there are some real deals out there.
You got these the boomer bonus going for you. You got
a lot of people who are boomers who are getting
rid of their guns or selling them. They're aging out,
and there's some really good guns appearing in used racks
in gun stores all over. A thirty forty fifty sixty
(41:25):
seventy year old Winchester Models seventy and two seventy That
could be a work of art. That's a piece of
history you can go hunt with. So don't pass those up.
You know, clean them up, clean the barrel up really well,
and I bet they shoot just fine. And the hammo
we have today is much much better than they had
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back then. So just and that that applies across the board.
There are people are aging out of shooting and they're
getting rid of a lot of really good guns, handguns, shotguns, rifles.
Make it a point to go to your local gun
store and check out the used and if there's something
you're particularly interested in or looking for, let the folks
(42:05):
there no make sure they have your phone number so
when it comes in they will call you and say, hey,
we just got in that Bremington's seven hundred mountain rifle
you've been looking for for three years. And then you
can hustle over there and you can pick that up.
So there are a lot of good used guns hitting
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the market now. Also, don't forget Duri's Guns dourisguns dot com.
They have a lot of used guns there. And if
you're in a position where you're saying I'm going to
be getting rid of some guns, they'll buy them for you.
I mean, they'll send you boxes with labels. You put
them in the box, mail them back to Douris' Guns
and the good to go or are ups. However, they're
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fair deal to dayman Durisguns dot Com. But use guns
make such a lot of sense and often are a
real bargain and the value as far as the utility,
never goes away. But just kind of food for thought
for you. If you've got some thoughts about that or
use gun that you really like, you can join us
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during the after show. We'll knock that around for a
little bit. Give us a call right now at tom
Talk Gun. In the meantime, go out to a little
shooting this week. Try to take a friend or a
neighbor or a family member with you, because they'll enjoy
it and you'll have a great time getting them out shooting,
maybe even introducing them to this wonderful lifetime sport of shooting.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Gresham here. If
you want to join us, that's pretty easy, call me
at Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know that we also do the after show. We
do the regular show that runs on all the radio stations,
and then we throw in a little extra little nand
yap as we say in Louisiana, and that becomes part
of the podcast that we put up let's call the
after show. Well, during the after show today Jim and
I got we talk about our brand new non guns.
We just got fully automatic BB guns and they're not
(00:41):
firearms and they're baby gun so they're just fun and
stupid and a lot of times stupid goes with fun,
so you got to be careful about that. But yeah,
we'll have some information about that. On a more serious note,
we have new legislatures coming in. We have do Congress
(01:02):
coming in. But sometimes as the legislatures are going out,
or maybe even the new ones, we've got crazy stuff
going on. Michigan, of course, they're trying to outlaw deceptively
colored firearms. I know it makes no sense at all,
but out in Colorado it's quite a bit more than that.
It's quite sinister and quite important for us to know
(01:23):
what's going on. So nobody better to explain this than
Larry Keen. He's a senior vice president, he's the general
counsel over the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Probably you wear
several other hats as well, Larry, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Thanks Tom, thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You bet okay, So you sounded the alarm. I had
just seen what was going on at Colorado, but I
didn't think I really understood it. And then you said, hey,
we really really need to get the word out. Why
don't I give you the floor and explain what they
are doing and what the threat is.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Sure Colorado, the new legislature is introduced the bill Senate
Bill three, which is essentially a state version of the
Go Safe Bill introduced by Senator Martin Heinrich and Senator
(02:14):
Angus King, and the Colorado Bill would basically not just
ban modern sporting rifles, but it was essentially ban semi
automatic rifles and handguns that have detachable magazines. So it's
you know, a complete gun grab. It's the worst gun
(02:38):
grab bill we have ever seen. And so you know,
the legislature in Colorado is increasingly anti gun. This is
the number one priority we are told for every down
this year, at least in Colorado. And there's a very
short window of opportunity to stop this legislation. So we
(03:02):
need everybody to, particularly if you live in Colorado, right,
get educated on the bill and make your voice heard
by contacting your state senators, your representatives. And very importantly,
we need to stop the Governor Polis's gun ban. And
(03:22):
that's what this is, if Governor Poulis's gun ban. And
so we need everybody to make the governor understand that
he's got to kill this bill. He needs to veto
up this bill that gets to his desk. We're told
he is aspirations are running for president. Well, can't find
a gun ban and run for president in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So, Larry, let me make sure that people caught that
what you said. This would not only ban like your
AR fifteens, but it would ban any semi automatic rifle
that takes a detachable magazine. But also so here's the
real kicker. Semi automatic pistols, handguns that have a detachable magazine.
(04:06):
That's your glauxious smith in Westn's your rugers. I mean,
on and on and on. Basically, all your nine millimeters
semi automatics, forty five semi automatics, all of those would
fall into this, wouldn't we Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's a massive gun band. Massive, it's the worst you've
ever seen. So it see, isn't just you know, like
a state version of Feinstein's assault weapons ban. This is
more like the Illinois law, but it is modeled after
the Go. Say fact that Martin Heinrichs and or Martin
(04:40):
Heinluz in Mexico and Angus King's remain introduced was a
house version introduced by one of the leading hand to
Go house members. So this is a I mean, it
is no Joe. This is a massive gun band, the
likes of which we have never seen. You know, don't
don't worry about the and the sides of the magazine.
(05:01):
Just ban magazine. You know, band Jones with a taxable magazine,
because you know, that's virtually all modern handguns and the
allomatic handguns. It's virtual most rifles. You'll be up with
revolvers in bulk action rifles and guns with fixed magazines
and lever actions. Right, so it is a massive gun
(05:22):
band Larry.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Doesn't this serve as a really good example for what
the gun band lobby, the gunman industry really wants to do,
even though they keep saying nobody wants to take away
your guns, at the same time they try to ban
virtually everything. I mean, doesn't this actually reveal them for
the liars they are.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yes, it completely does, right, I mean, as they always
look you all, it's we're not going to ban your guns.
And this still of course only applies to you know,
on a going forward basis, but because they can't get
away with h going you know, and taking guns from
people that they already lawfully because that's although we see
(06:05):
that tried from time to time. So you know, they
say the support the Second Amendment, you can keep in
their arms. Only the ones that they say you can
have will courtly violates the Second Amendment. It bands commonly
owned firearms. So we need everybody to call Governor paulus
(06:26):
and even we need to light up his switchboard. Call
three oh three eight sixty six two four seven one,
and call your state legislators, your Senators, your house members,
particularly if you live in Colorado, U and make your
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voice heard.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Let me get that out again. Three h three eight
six six two four seven one Larry, let me ask
you guys just before you got honest explaining what happened
with the Supreme Court and the conference about the Snopes
case on Friday. And then tomorrow we'll find out if
they're going to grant cert or if they're going to
relist it, or what they're going to do. But this
(07:11):
is all part of a larger overall package of Right now,
the Second Amendment is under assault throughout a number of
states which seem to basically be thumbing their nose at
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Absolutely, so we will find out tomorrow if you're going
to grant shirt or deny shirt or conference that you'll
postpone a decision. Again. There's also the Ocean State Tactical
case out of the first things for the Rhode Island challenge,
and you know the NFCF case of the Seventh Circuit
is pending. In all these other cases in the Vine Circuit,
(07:48):
you know, it was encouraging to see Justice Thomas Alito
and Gorsicch while agreeing to deny shirt in the whole
y E case, making it very clear that when the
case is rife, they would grant shirt, you know, on
that fat spirit of a looa. But the circuit courts
(08:12):
are thumbing their nose. The state supreme courts in gun
control states are thumbing their nose at the Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court really needs to take the case.
And I think the fourth case Spokes is ideally situated,
as is the Ocean State tactical, and it's time for
(08:33):
them to step in. And it seems at least three
judges justices rather are prepared to do that. And I
think there are others who are hopeful and optimistic that
we will grant shirt. And you know, it's unfortunate that
courts are thumbing their nose at the Supreme Court and
(08:54):
ignoring the Heller decision, ignoring Bruin and and you know,
avoiding the consequences.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Right right, one other thing before I hit my break
here we have to go. We just had introduced into
the Senate and the House uh national reciprocity bills where
if you have a conceal carry permit in your state,
it would be honored in all states. How do you
handicap that. What's the because I know there are some
Republicans who may not even want that. What's the likelihood
(09:26):
of us actually getting a national reciprocity of law.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, I think it can pass the House. It'll be
very close just because of the margins, and it's going
to take a lot of work. And in the Senate,
you know, I think there, you know, you could probably
get fifty north to the fifty three. Whether you can
get to sixty remains to be seeing. Believe you know,
(09:51):
we need to keep advocating for that because no longer
constitutional life stops at your state border. You'll fort Amendment
right to the fifty Amendment rights stop just because you
crossed state lives. The Supreme Court is made clear that
you have a constitutional like to keep their arms, and
you shouldn't become a felon or a criminal simply because
(10:14):
you made a wrong term. Once that poor woman in
Pennsylvania you had a cut, lost and ended up in
New Jersey and went went to prison.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yep, Shandeana Allen exactly. We worked. We were on the
forefront of getting her out of there. So that's a
prime example. She took the wrong turn. She was going
to a birthday party of all things. Thought that her
kurry permanent in Pennsylvania would be good. In New Jersey,
it wasn't and they sent her to jail.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And it is encouraging to see so many senators signed
on to Senator Cornynsville he's the leading that bill in
the Senate and Congressman Hudson in the House. So we're optimistic.
I think it'll certainly get hearings, and I think it'll
get voted out of the committees and whether you can
get and you know, out of the chamber. You know,
(11:03):
we will certainly be working in that direction. It's necessary.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And you know it's it's no different than you know,
driving a car across state lines. I mean, you know,
their life could recognize another states. Why can't that TVKS
for uh for concealed carry permit see a law body
citizen commited no crime. Uh. And doesn't mean that the
(11:28):
states can't regulate at all. I mean they're limited obviously
for the second.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That but they can't but they can't ban it because
that is covered by the Second Endment. And Supreme Court
has said you have a right to bear arms. Uh. Larry,
I got to have a scoot here. I tell you what.
I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate nssf's efforts on this.
And I'll see you in about a week in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yes, it is, thanks a friend. If you take care,
we'll see you there.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Thanks God.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
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So what's on your list? What are your plans for
this year, think about getting into a new kind of shooting.
Maybe take up competition shooting of some form or fashion. Maybe,
I don't know. Long range shooting is such a big
deal now. And look, if you have not done long
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range target shooting with a rifle, it sounds like, well
you just yeah, okay, just have to shoot better, shoot
smaller groups, maybe hold a little high. That's really not it.
There's so much to it. There's so much to learn,
so much to master, and that's what makes it fun,
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the fact that it is. Actually it's you know, if
you move from all the specifics of numbers three hundred
yards out to six hundred yards, well it's not twice
as hard. It's probably four times as hard. And then
when you move out to a thousand yards it's probably five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten times harder. I mean, it's you're down to where
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the smallest little things make a difference. How you interface
with the rifle, how you have cheek pressure, how much
pressure are you putting on the grip, Are you actually
touching the rifle at all, or are you just touching
the trigger? On and on and on. Obviously trying to
(16:00):
figure out the wind. It's a big deal. In some
of these schools, they'll partner you up and you spend
sometimes shooting, and you spend sometimes as the spotter for
a shooter. Because as the spotter looking through a spotting scope,
watching the mirage, watching the wind, you can learn a lot,
(16:21):
and then watching someone else shoot, you can learn a lot.
And then I heard of something I was not familiar with.
We have two shooters on target same time. And the
deal is one of them is the first shooter, and
one of them is the second shooter, and the second
shot maybe only be like one second behind the first.
(16:41):
And here's why. The first person shoots, and assuming it's
not a hit, but they can see where the bullet goes,
the second shooter can adjust from that, assuming they're both
sighted in the same and say, okay, that shot went
eight inches left. I'm going to just switch overhold eight
inches right and press the triggers like bang bang, Just
(17:04):
like that, there's a way of getting that second shot
on target. Fascinating, think, well, who would come up with that?
People who do this all the time, people just shoot
all the time. They come up with stuff like that.
It's one of the reasons that I love going to
shooting schools. And it doesn't to me. It doesn't matter
if it's a rifle school, handguns or shotguns. I have
(17:28):
learned so much about wing shooting at shotgun schools and
things where you're thinking, well, what is there to know?
You just swing out and shoot in front of a
clay target, right, not really a lot of details. I mean,
if you're shooting regular clay targets, where do you hold
(17:48):
before you call for the target? Where do you look?
Where's your insertion point? How much do you lead or
do you lead at all? Or is it not really
a lead? But it's more about muscle velocity to swing,
the speed of the buzzles swinging. It just goes on
and on and on, and you don't There's no way
for you to know this stuff without going to people
(18:10):
who do it all the time. We think about it
all the time, maybe who have been winning national competitions
for a long time. I mean when I go, I
just did that class down range ready called the Diagnostic
Pistol Instructor. And I've been to a lot a lot
of handgun classes. I've been to Gunsight who knows a
(18:33):
dozen times, been to thunder Ranch several times, been to
the Sick Academy, been to the Shoe Right Academy when
Tiger was running that, been to the Fires Academy of Seattle,
been to tach Pro in Texas. I mean, on and
lots and lots, And then I go to this class
and they go, Okay, what am I going to learn here?
A lot actually turns out because Chris teaches things differently
(18:54):
than other people do. Each instructor teaches different things because
they think about it differently. They're getting you. Here's the
interesting part. Eventually, they're getting you to do the same thing.
What do you think about it. We're gonna put shots
on target in the case of handguns, shots on target
more quickly. We're gonna be fast and accurate. In the
(19:16):
case of rifles, we're gonna put shots on target at distance.
In the case of shotgun, we're gonna be breaking targets again,
shots on target. But they're teaching you different ways to
accomplish it, different ways to think about it, different ways
of holding your gun, different ways of where you look,
different ways of prepping the trigger, different ways. It's like
(19:37):
all the stuff you're going wow, And for me, I look,
I like learning new things, and it doesn't really matter
if it's guns, or driving, or flying an airplane or
running a snowmobile, which I didn't do real well at that.
I was always the guy who was upside down in
the snow bank with his feet sticking up in the air.
(20:00):
That's why I ended up getting rid of the snowmobiles.
The whole deal of the Louisiana guy on a snowmobile.
That's just not a real good combination. As we learned,
That's okay. It was fun and I learned a lot
of stuff, so I still injured. Enjoyed the learning process,
but I love learning new things. And man, when you
can go take a two or three day class somewhere
(20:21):
and you come away with things that are in your head,
you go, man, I just I hear that instructor, I
hear what he's saying, I hear what she's saying there.
It's like it's stuck. And then you go back to
the range and you're playing that tape back. It's like
that video. You get to play it over and over again.
From that class, you go, Okay, ah, that's what I'm
doing wrong. I need to slow down, need to do
(20:42):
this thing. In my case, Chris figured out, believe it
or not, I was. I was shooting to the left
a little bit with my pistol, not low and left
like you're yanking the trigger, but just straight left. And
it's the weirdest thing. He said, Well, increase with your
left thumb on a two handed grip. With your left thumb,
(21:05):
apply pressure to the side of the pistol. Apply more
pressure to the side of not the slide, but the
natural frame of the pistol, and press in hard with
your left thumb. Okay, that sounds simple. I started doing
that and I'm drilling, cutting just a ragged hole out
of the middle of the target. I would never have
(21:29):
come up with that on my own, would not have
thought about it. I mean, makes sense now that you
think of right. Okay, yeah, because you're putting pressure on
the right side of the gun, holding it right handed
and pressing that trigger and kind of moving the gun
to the left a little bit with the trigger press
and we'll just offset that by putting pressure with your
left thumb, press in hard on the left side of
(21:51):
the pistol. Huh Okay. I became a better shooter from that.
Even though I have been to dozens of shooting skoo
there's always something in there for you. So I guess
I would say, if you're thinking about what I want
to do this year, find a good class somewhere, a
good shooting school, enroll and get there. Maybe range Radish studios,
(22:12):
maybe somewhere else. All right back with you here, I'm
going to share with you what was it two weird now,
maybe three weeks ago now? I was in San Antonio
stopped by Johnny Dewry's place, Dury's Guns, and they fortunately
(22:35):
had a knife sharpener. I had just seen and thought,
that is the coolest thing I have seen in a while.
And I bought three of them, one for me, one
for each of a couple of my buddies. It's called
the Look. I have no commercial attachment to this at all,
don't know the people there, don't know anything about it.
Just saw this knife sharpen and went, that is the
(22:55):
slickest deal. It's called the war Hog knife Sharpener warthogusa
dot com. And it's called what do they call this?
The V sharp knife sharpener. It looks like a Rube
Goldberg thing with moving parts and everything and not electric,
simple simple simple, really almost impossible to not get a
good sharp edge on your knife and fun to use.
(23:18):
As soon as you get it, you start sharpening all
your knives. And I mean, I'm a knife guy. I
always have a knife in my pocket, at least one have,
probably since I've been in not maybe not grade school,
but certainly a junior higher high school. And I always
had a knife in our pocket at school. And so
for me, a knife's got to be sharp. You know
what you call a dull knife a stick, it's not
(23:43):
really a knife anyway, Just kind of passing along something
I found that I like that you may want to
take a look at. Maybe you like it. It's called
Warthog Sharpeners and warhog usa dot com. So there you go.
Take a look at Oh, look at the video of it.
You go, oh, man, so cool. That'd be fun to you.
So there you go. Let's say, let's go to John
(24:03):
online one out of Claremore, Oklahoma. John, we were talking
about the fires out in Colorado and how you protect stuff.
I think you got a take on this. Now, I'm sorry,
I said, Colorado'm at California. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, you were talking about the fire resistance of your
gun safe and I wanted to point out that I
bought a fire resistant box just a Walmart first Alert
or something, and I put my passports and anything valuable
inside that box and then put the whole box inside
(24:39):
my safe.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Interesting. Okay, so you know Belgian suspenders, I mean, and
what you're doing and I know you know this, you're
what you're doing is buying more time, because the fire
resistance is about time and different ratings inside of a
gun safe, or about how long it will last. Oh,
here's a question for do you know what they put
(25:02):
in gun safes to make them fire resistant?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It looks like drywall to me.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's exactly what it is. It's sheet rock, drywall. It's
exactly what it is, which is one of the reasons
they're so darn and heavy. But yes, I hope you
never have to find out if that works for you,
because I hope you never have to go through a fire.
But I kind of like where you're going. The added
protection is kind of a smart idea. So what kind
of gun safety you have.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
A good plan? I think?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, So what kind of gun safety you have?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Oh gosh, it's not anything terribly fancy. I believe it's
a Dakota. It's I think rated at seventy five minutes
at fifteen or sixteen hundred degrees.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yep, that sounds good. That's not a bad rating. That's
kind of what you get generally speaking. And then by
putting your stuff into a fire resistant they don't really
call it fireproof anymore. Fire resistant box inside of the
fire is safe. You're probably you could be close to
doubling that, So that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I do have an inventory on a CD that is
at my daughter's house.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
How did you reach the point where you decided to
do that? Because most people don't whatever one don't think
about it, and then those who think about it don't
actually do it. So how did you get to the
point where you said, I'm actually going to do this.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Oh gosh, I don't know. It just seemed like the
right thing to do. So it happened almost immediately after
a bout the safe. I thought, it's you know, if
my passports are still going to burn up if they're
in there, and they may still burn up, but like
you said, I'm trying to buy a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right well, as you know we talk about this, there's
no people still how could I be safe? And I
always say you can't, there's no such thing actually as
being safe. All you're doing is trying to manage risk,
personal risks and property risk, and then okay, risk of
how does you know can I recover from this? And
do I have insurance? And do I have an amatory list?
(27:06):
And one of the things I learned is that going
through your house and slowly shooting video of every wall,
and then opening every closet, shooting video everything in there,
and then opening every cabinet of everything that's in there.
It's amazing how you will forget a lot of the
stuff that you own after a fire or a loss
(27:28):
of some sort. And then you go back to the video,
you go, oh yeah, but you got to your point.
You got to start somewhere that's not like on a
hard drive or in your computer at your house where
that burns up. Right, All right, let's switch to the
fun stuff. What's the last gun you shot?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Oh? Gosh, probably an AR fifteen that I assembled. Oh really, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you get into building ars?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, you know, the first one I built, I bought
a complete upper and I assembled the lower, and I
had so much fun doing that that I built two
more of them from the almost no two pieces touching.
It was just very enjoyable to do it and be
(28:25):
able to hit something when you're done.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
It's kind of like catching a fish on a fly
that you tied yourself. Is that I did all that?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now did you build different configurations of ars?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I have one heavy twenty inch barrel that's kind of
a varmint rifle, and then I have a smaller, more tactical.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Okay, fun, next thing, you got to build your an
ar pistol, right, or.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I'm thinking I'm might try something with a little more
thump than a five five six?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I haven't you know, I really don't know. The six
milimeter arc looks pretty cool, the Grendel, But then I think, well,
maybe I want to try something like the forty five calibers.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Or a three hundred blackout with a can never know that.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
See there's just no end of this, dude. Then that
people say, well, how could you possibly have like six ars?
And I think, well, that's what we call a good start.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I collect parts. When I see
something that's really cheap but it looks like a good bargain,
I'll pick up a part here. And there, and eventually
I have enough to build a rifle.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can buy a stripped ar up lower, a stripped
lower for like forty.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Bucks now really with an aluminum receiver or is this
a composite now this would.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Be with aluminum receiver. You could buy a stripped ar
lower now for about forty to fifty bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Crazy, Well, I'll probably have to do that.
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Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'll just remind I just online I saw a post
from our friends who were simply rugged holsters, and they're
talking about gun belts, thinking, you know, it's time to
mention that again. Absolutely, the best way to increase the
comfort of carrying a gun on your belt all day
long is to have a really good gun belt. Not
(33:21):
just a good belt. It's got to be a gun belt,
a gun made for carrying a gun, because they're stiff,
not just thick, but stiff. And a good gun belt
which costs somebody. You're not going to get one for
ten or twelve bucks. You know you're gonna be paying
fifty sixty seventy bucks for a good gun belt, and
once you get it, you're gonna go Holy cow. Tom
(33:42):
was right. This is comfortable, I mean, because you're carrying
around a pound or two on your waist all the time,
and a good gun belt can make a huge difference.
And pay attention to their sizing guides because you can't
really order the standard length of belt that you wear
for your pants because if you've got to be especially
(34:03):
if you're carrying inside the waistband. But I would just
suggest that if you either don't have a good gun
belt or if you had one for a number of years,
they slowly lose their rigidity. They just get more pliable,
and all of a sudden it's just not quite as
good and it's time to replace it. So a good
(34:24):
gun belt is a really worthwhile purchase. So just throwing
that out for you. Thinking about we were talking about
ballistics and trajectory and all that and maybe reloading and velocities.
A couple of websites that I use all the time
free one's called shooters Reference dot Com. I have no
idea who these guys are, but they've got reloading data
(34:48):
for everything there. And I think what they do is
they go to all the different various sources, you know,
Hodged and Sierra Barns Nozzler, and they can file all
that information. See if you're thinking, well, I'm thinking about
maybe a two seventy and one hundred and thirty grand bullet,
what can I expect for velocity? They got it all
there shooters shooters Reference dot Com. And the other one
(35:11):
I use, again free is JBM Ballistics Jbmballistics dot com,
and they have information on the external ballistics trajectory and
wind drift. So you put in, Okay, I've got this bullet,
this is the ballistic coefficient, it weighs this much, it's
this caliber, it's going this fast, I'm shooting at this elevation,
(35:34):
it's this temperature. You plug it all in and there's
all your information. So if you're kind of geeky on
this stuff the way I am, I will sit there
and go, well, what about this, Well, well, let's compare
the two seventy to the two eighty. Let's compare this
to that esoteric stuff that actually doesn't matter at all.
And I get that. I understand. I realized I'm just
(35:55):
goofy about this kind of stuff. But so that's kind
of stuff I do. So I pop back and forth
between JBM Ballistics, JBM Ballistics, and shooters Reference dot com.
So just kind of information for you there. When it
comes to where to get your information about Second Amendment,
(36:17):
what's going on there, there's a really good websites called
the reload dot com. But that is a paywall deal
where you have to pay to have access to it.
But if you really want to know what's going on,
you know at the NRA, you know in the courts
what people are saying. They do a really good job
(36:38):
of that. So if you're looking for references or resources,
you've got that going for you. Maybe you have your
own special places that you like to go in terms
of information. I'd love to know what those are, because
it's always fun to discover a new source of information
again the learning process, Right, Where can I go to
get good info? Who can I watch online? Colion Noir
(36:59):
is a pretty good one on YouTube for his videos.
Obviously I would send you to our videos. Gun Talk
you may not know, by the way, curse to me.
I mean, you know about this program, which is a
radio show and a podcast, but we do other podcasts
as well, and those are video podcasts with Ryan and
(37:20):
Kaj and we have gun Talk Nation, gun Talk Hunt,
and gun Talk Live. And if you sign up for those,
you can sample on YouTube or at gun talk dot
tv and you'll be notified when there's a new video
and it could be anything from our first person defender shows,
to test about new product that comes out, or just
(37:43):
random thoughts about now hunting with various stuff it's just
we're putting out content all the time. The other thing,
and I mentioned this earlier, we talked to Ryan about it.
I just discovered this. I keep this screen on my
computer in front of me during the show today because
(38:03):
I am lusting over this pistol, the Jacob Gray Firearms pistol.
They call it the TWC nine. TWC stands for throwback
with capacity, So it's a nineteen eleven pistol high end,
(38:23):
very high end, but double stack, so you got the
capacity and it's set up for red Dot. So this
particular class is gonna be the Jacob Gray double stack
nineteen eleven with a trigacon, which is as high end
as it gets, a trigacon, red Dot site, plus the
other stuff. Chance to shoot it, learn with it, have
(38:45):
the AMMO provided, and then you get to keep the gun,
and you get to keep the trigacon site and the
holster and the magpouch, range Ready rains, Ready Studios dot com.
If you want to know a boy about that, that class,
you're gone out before the end of the week. I
guarantee it. Well, these are fun. We were talking about
(39:11):
the two seventy Winchester turning one hundred that's from when
it was introduced. It was actually created a couple of
years earlier, but it was introduced in nineteen twenty five.
And so I get this email. I actually got a
couple of them here. This is from Allen in Oregon,
says Tom. I've carried my dad's two seventy models seventy
manufactured in nineteen forty eight since about nineteen sixty, when
(39:34):
my dad's health wouldn't allow him to hike the Idaho Hills,
I have harvested eight to ten mule deer an elk
at a prong horn. At a gun show, I was
able to purchase a nineteen forty nine to seventy Winchester
Model seventy. My number three son currently has it and
calls it a true rifleman's rifle. He has put in
(39:56):
his DIBs to inherent grandpa's to when I am no
longer able to hike the mountains. Newer rifles may be
more accurate and perhaps lighter, but I wouldn't trade my
father's to seventy for anything. Yeah, that's kind of it,
isn't it. So then we got casts who says, uh,
(40:21):
the two seventy just flat out works always has. He says,
the two seventy is my main stay. Last ELK got
killed was three rounds at six hundred and sixty seven yards.
He says, I could not get any closer. One of
the three rounds entered one of the previous entrance holes
three exits using one hundred and fifty green LASR long
(40:42):
range acubine. Those are good bullets with BC on those,
if I remember right, is five ninety one, and I
think I looked that up earlier today. As a matter
of fact, to seventy just keeps working. And you know
what's great about it? Oh yeah, points out also, remember
we have better powders now that we didn't have before.
We actually have more velocity out of these cartridges than
we had before. And the other part of it is
(41:05):
as mentioned here, is there are some real deals out there.
You got these the boomer bonus going for you. You got
a lot of people who are boomers who are getting
rid of their guns or selling them. They're aging out,
and there's some really good guns appearing in used racks
in gun stores all over. A thirty forty fifty sixty
(41:25):
seventy year old Winchester Models seventy and two seventy That
could be a work of art. That's a piece of
history you can go hunt with. So don't pass those up.
You know, clean them up, clean the barrel up really well,
and I bet they shoot just fine. And the hammo
we have today is much much better than they had
(41:45):
back then. So just and that that applies across the board.
There are people are aging out of shooting and they're
getting rid of a lot of really good guns, handguns, shotguns, rifles.
Make it a point to go to your local gun
store and check out the used and if there's something
you're particularly interested in or looking for, let the folks
(42:05):
there no make sure they have your phone number so
when it comes in they will call you and say, hey,
we just got in that Bremington's seven hundred mountain rifle
you've been looking for for three years. And then you
can hustle over there and you can pick that up.
So there are a lot of good used guns hitting
(42:27):
the market now. Also, don't forget Duri's Guns dourisguns dot com.
They have a lot of used guns there. And if
you're in a position where you're saying I'm going to
be getting rid of some guns, they'll buy them for you.
I mean, they'll send you boxes with labels. You put
them in the box, mail them back to Douris' Guns
and the good to go or are ups. However, they're
(42:48):
doing it these days, and they'll pay pay you a
fair deal to dayman Durisguns dot Com. But use guns
make such a lot of sense and often are a
real bargain and the value as far as the utility,
never goes away. But just kind of food for thought
for you. If you've got some thoughts about that or
use gun that you really like, you can join us
(43:09):
during the after show. We'll knock that around for a
little bit. Give us a call right now at tom
Talk Gun. In the meantime, go out to a little
shooting this week. Try to take a friend or a
neighbor or a family member with you, because they'll enjoy
it and you'll have a great time getting them out shooting,
maybe even introducing them to this wonderful lifetime sport of shooting.
(43:30):
In the meantime, we'll see you next week. We'll be
heading to the Shot Show in just a few days.
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