January 19, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour: RE-BROADCAST
-- How do top gunsmiths make rifles more accurate? Todd Bonura, of Maniacal Arms, gives up some of his secrets.
-- What makes Cerakote so good as a finish for gun?
-- Reaching way out for long range shooting.
Gun Talk 01.19.25 Hour 2
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-- How do top gunsmiths make rifles more accurate? Todd Bonura, of Maniacal Arms, gives up some of his secrets.
-- What makes Cerakote so good as a finish for gun?
-- Reaching way out for long range shooting.
Gun Talk 01.19.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, this is Tom Gresher.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
We hope you enjoyed this reloaded first Chris, you know,
the fun part is that guns are very practical and
they just work, and they're supposed to go bang and
all of that. And at the same time they're very
interesting and it could be works of art and they
can be like, holy cow, what is that? I gotta
go see that thing where? I mean, when somebody pulls
(00:34):
some guys you just pull them out of the case
of people from all around the room were at the range.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Go what was that? I gotta go see what that
thing is.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I open your mics there, guys right, I'm gonna let
you introduce you buddy here because we brought in a
local expert who you've been featuring on Billbox.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, Todd Benera, welcome in, Man.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
I'm glad you'll man from Maniacal Arms.
Speaker 7 (00:54):
So, yeah, Todd's with maniacal Arms and he's local to us.
But I mean as super old rifle builder, custom you know,
gunsmith's Serico guy. And it's just interesting because I think
that Todd I say this all the time. There's so
many ways to enjoy guns, right absolutely. We were just
kind of going on a on a tangent about guns
(01:15):
for self defense and training. But in the middle of
that I interrupted and contradicted myself saying, but guns could
also just be for fun.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well absolutely, yeah, I mean it didn't always have to
be serious, right absolutely. I mean and because range time
and shooting, to a lot of people, that's a decompression
time too. It's time to get away, be with family, friends,
things like that. And uh, I think there's a lot
more to guns than just that. You know. It's like,
do you guys only hunt, well, yeah, but that's their thing.
Do you guys only competitive shoot? Yes? They mix it up.
(01:46):
You know, there's a lot of there's aspects.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
And there, and they're the people who want pretty guns,
custom guns. It's funny because I think custom guns have
always been a thing.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean it probably there were different they were different.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, but you might have had like a fine walnut
stock rifle and express sites and you're gonna take it
to Africa, And that was your custom rifle back fifty
years ago, seventy years ago, now you got I mean
during the break Todd, You're bringing these guns out of
the cases and I'm going, oh my, heavenly days.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (02:19):
These things are functional but also interesting and gorgeous and
interesting features you're putting on the sarahco jobs you do, man,
you are a master at the Sarah Coode.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I've been doing it about nine years now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Got it figured out.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yes, sir, And I'm certified by Sarah Coote as well.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Uh a important distinction.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Yeah, that's an important distinction because Sarah coot is like
this word that gun people use of, like, yeah, you
know it's it's Sarah codd like, but is it actually
Sarah coded? Like zaraho doesn't mean I painted it right?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Rattle? Has that become generic?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh yeah? People are like, oh yeah, Sarah coated and
like hold on, like.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, they know you cry al on it.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
And exactly, and it has to be applied by a
certified Sarah code applicant. I've been out there to Oregon
and I mean they're serious about how they.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
There's a certain way to do it right.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yes, that's great, and you know I guess like single
color stuff is, you know, it's painting. I've also been
a painter in my whole life. We own a paint company.
My wife still runs that. We've had it for thirty years.
But I've painted cars and trucks and boats and whatever
my whole life, Martin. And when you start getting into
(03:31):
the designs and the and the patterns on them, then
that's where the skill starts coming in. Because if you
do the layers wrong and you end up with edging
on all the colors, then you can feel the pattern
and that's not really correct, right, So you want it
to be kind of a seamless feel to everything too.
Sarah Coach's probably, in my opinion, one of the best
(03:52):
paint products I've ever messed with, because you're talking about
something that gives full coverage protection.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
In a mill of Well, that's the big thing you
were telling me before, of like, because there's different things
people can put on guns. But why do you like
Sarah Cooat so much? Because the thickness it doesn't change
other things of the gun. When you're a rifle builder.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
That matters absolutely absolutely, And you know there are some
bolt actions custom actions out there that you can't sarah
coat the inside of the action or the bolt because
they won't fit back together. Right, there's more tighter tolerance
than two thousands thousands on them. But then there are
a bunch of them that you can, you know, most
all the factory rifles you can sarah coat at all.
(04:32):
And it's I've used it long enough now and seen
it perform to where I just have a lot of
faith in it. I don't like giving a customer something
that I don't believe in or I don't sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I don't think is zarahood protection from weather from the elements? Yes, sir, uh,
pretty well?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh yeah. And there's different lines of it that are
better uvs have better UV stability if you leave it
in the sun, stuff like that. But they, you know,
they have branched out across this hole.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Car stuff, automotive, all these.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Kinds of things. Now it's that ceramic technology that that's
going into all that. But you know, we do higher
performance engine parts. I got a set of headers at
my shop right now that'll get done next week. We
have a barbell sitting there, you know, that's a brand
new Barbelle. We're going to do an LSU theme for
a guy on the bar. You know, we do fishing
(05:28):
reels for offshore.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh, I bet you that's great.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
How do people choose somebody who really knows what he's
doing or she's doing?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Putting on cerco I mean to start, I think the
Certified Applicator website is one of the better ways right
to find who's local to you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Sarah Coach's website.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, Sarah Coach's website, you know, and then too, it's
just you know, if you know people that have stuff
done by companies. I think it's just like every other company.
If you have a local standing and following, then and
people trust your work word of mouth, Yeah, word of mouth, you.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Know, right, if you would.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You guys got to talk about Billbox what you've had
todd to Yeah, so some wacky stuff.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
We uh so, I mean, I think people listening to
this if you're not familiar.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Buildbox is one of the shows that we produce.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
It airs on the Outdoor channel and then it also
you can find it online, so you can go to
buildboxtv dot com. Actually you could sign up for the giveaway.
We've got this big old giveaway going on from now
through the end of the year and literally there's gonna
be like one hundred winners.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
We all like leftovers. So what these are leftovers from Billbox?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Well, there's some of that, right, We've got vices and
tools and and but we also have I think five
or six guns from the show in this season that
we're going to give away as well.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And Todd did some of the work on some of these.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
But I mean so we kind of connected with Todd
because we just started going where's it, Who's is there
a local guy that could help us out? And he
started doing more and more. And for Billbox, I'd like
to keep it mostly di y type projects for people
to watch and they go, oh, I could do that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's kitchen table.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Gunsmith, and I can swap out a trigger or I
could do you know, certain projects. But when we want
to kind of step it up and show what's possible,
we call you Todd.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah. Yeah, And I always feel challenged on that and
I like that though, because I feel like that that
pushes me.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm just surprised you are still taking as calls.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
I know, well, tell me about great to me, they
tell them about the lever gun. Because the one of
the themes of this season of build boxes. We had
viewers submit guns for us to work on, and one
of them was a Sears and Roebuck lever gun.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And we got that thing in and we gave it
to you.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Todd, and that was that was not a just take
it apart and put it back together thing.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
No, it was you know, because it was made for
seers by Winchester, so it was very similar to a
Model ninety four, but there were some variances in it
that were different. And then when Chris ordered stocks for it, furnit,
you know, hardware, they didn't exactly fit like they needed
to per Winchester ninety four, so we had to modify.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
That's where your guns, the skills come out, right.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, that's when you do a little bit of the
extra stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The chisel comes out, you know, the fittment.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, if I do it, it's a chisel, tide does it.
It's it's fine work.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little fine scraper. But yeah, that
was a nice build. Uh. And you know, we were
missing a screw in it when it came in and
screws and I said, and I told my guys your
shop I was like, man, go in, I have a
safe in the back. That's my personal stuff. I said,
go in there and pull my ninety four out and
if that screw fits in it, make sure we can
order another one for mine and we'll just work, you know,
(08:41):
and it'll come in later. And when I got back
with it, Chris was like, oh, what you got that screw?
And I'm like, I had one on hand. Sound cool?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Cannibalize your own gun?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, anything for the show, right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
But it was funny because I mean, the guy said,
doing it whatever you want. This is a gun we use,
we hunt with. It's not a wallhannger. So so Todd
Sarah coated it and we just made a lot of
things right on it. I think the sites were kind of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
They were broken, broken and kind of welded and grinded
back down and you know, so we replaced that kind
of stuff and then it's a.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Kind of thing a good gun smith can do well.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And it was, you know, it was it had seen
us better days too. I mean that gun was pretty
rough when we got it. So, you know, he seemed
to be happy on the reveal.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He was really happy.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Yeah, And you know, I want to talk about custom
rifle billiness hold.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I thought I got to take a break or come
back on talk about custom rifles and Todd bills. These
gorgeous rifles that are not only beautiful, but they shoot
like gangbusters. We want to find out how do you
make a rifle shoot better than it really should. We'll
be right back with more gun talking.
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Speaker 3 (12:03):
Oh way too much fun we have during the break here,
We've got Ryan, Greshamir and Ryan if you would kick
us off with Todd because we were talking about rifles
and twins and what happens here you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Take the trends EBB and flow right.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yes, So we're talking about shorter barrel rifles. Is that
something you're seeing that lately?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Huh? Yeah. Even we do a lot of just barrel
threading on factory rifles for guys, right because now with
the way the suppressors have been easier to get, there's
been a real high volume of people buying them, so
more people have them. Instead of going to buy a
new rifle that comes threaded, we can thread your factory
rifle for you.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Is there a chance of somebody brings you their old,
old Trustee rifle and the barrel's not thick enough to
thread it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot, But it happens
where we can't get to maybe the thread designation that
there can has like I say a five eighths by
twenty four, we have to do it at nine sixteen's
twenty four. Well, we have bushings that will put on
adapter kind of deal. Yeah, just a bushing that goes
on has a shoulder on it. Le's the can, because
(13:13):
for can you should have sixty or seventy thousands of shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But I got asked you.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You said, the trend is people want shorter vessels, so
now they're going to take their.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
And we're not talking about like a ten inch barrel.
We're not talking about SBR shut out, but like a
bolt gun instead of being a twenty two or twenty
four inch barrel.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Right, twenty three twenty four is pretty typical, right for
most hunting rifles and such calibers. And I've had a
guy come in with a WS a twenty seventy WSM,
and he requested it to be seventeen inches.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And now it's actually a two seventy Winchester or less
because of less losty loss.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It would be less.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
How much velocity is someone losing, like per inch on
a barrel, maybe thirty to forty.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Fifty even fifty, Yeah, depends on a car. If it's
a magnum, it could be per inch. So if you
lop off six or eight inches, you've gone from a
magnum to a standard cartrige.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, you're you're down hundred.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You've given up the advantage that you paid to get,
and you pay every time you have a round of ammunition.
You're giving it all up and you're sure blowing a
lot of powder and blast out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
There with that shorter barrel. Right, So why are they
doing that.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well for suppressor length, Because they buy a suppressor that's
nine or ten inches long, and then you add that
to a twenty four inch barrel. Now you have a
you know, a thirty three inch barrel on this gun.
It starts to become like a fishing pole. It is.
It's pretty long, it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Is it not possible to actually take the suppressor off
the rifle?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah? I mean it was unscrew it right, yeah right,
I mean, and I've even I don't tell customers that,
but I've told friends that, you know, just put in
your bag and when you get to the stand, screw
it on or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Hunt and well, what if I see a deer when
I'm walking to this down, I said, we'll shoot it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I mean simple answer.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Well, and you know, there is a little bit of
impact difference, shift of impact from a suppressor versus non
but most.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Of the time it's not if you're seeing aboute hundred yards,
it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Yeah, right, And if he's at four hundred yards, maybe
you have time to put the suppressor on here maybe yeah,
absolutely more than likely.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So all right, so you got all these gorgeous rifles
here and you build the stuff for billbox. What makes
a first of all, how accurate to a rifle will be?
And how do you make a rifle accurate?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
What's the what's the expectation for accuracy?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know? I think so industry wise, I feel like
sub m a is what everybody you know, especially thirty
caliber or bigger, is always going to be. Yeah, one
inch ae hundred yards. I feel like the smaller, the
six fives and stuff like that should probably fall in half.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So what are your rifles doing? I mean, it's okay,
you can brag it's our So you know, it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Depends on the cartridge too, because if someone is a
has only the option of running factory AMMO, then obviously
the AMMO is going to play a big part into
the accuracy of the rifle. We see a lot of
times with some ammos, the PRC lines, especially some of
the nozzle ar stuff. Factory AMMO. We're getting well under
(16:32):
half out of a lot of guns. Sometimes just racket
holes at a hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That blue and over there laying on the ground, over there.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
One hole, one hole. But that's what handloads. Yeah, yeah,
one one hole ten shot group and one.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Hundred ten shots had the same hole pretty much. Yes,
And he says that like that ain't a big thing.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Well, you know, this is funny that you bring that up,
because me and one of my best friends that I've
hunted with for years and we handload. He actually started
teaching me to handload twenty years ago. We still shoot
together all the time. My range where I test all
my rifles is at his house. We have a five
hundred yards, which here in Louisiana, southern Louisiana, that's a
long range here, right. And the big thing that I've
(17:14):
kind of learned now is I'm not as so focused.
For a long time, we always wanted these little clover
leaf groups at one hundred because that was what we
wanted to see in print paper and it just looks good, right,
But back then we didn't have an opportunity to test
it out at five hundred, right, to see is that
group or is that load still holding up at that distance?
(17:37):
So now our focus on our especially on our handload
and especially for hunting rifles, is we wanted con you know,
half inch or better at one hundred, but we wanted
to hold half inch ma at five hundred two, right,
you know, And if it doesn't, then we don't feel
like we're on the right recipe right there.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Because that at that point other things start happening. Is that,
you know, is the bullet really stabilized?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Uh, is the load really consistent, because you could be
you can have two different loads that are shooting a
half an inch at one hundred yards but not necessarily
a half moa at five hundred.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Right, right, that's correct, yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And now we get into the science of handloading, and
that's a whole different world altogether, right there.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, And you know, that's one of my first questions
when guys come to me to have a custom rifle built. Well,
that's that's the first thing I ask, because most of
the time it's like a seventy percent kind of know
the caliber they want, and then sometimes they kind of
want a suggestion from me on what to build. Right.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Well, I was going to ask you that if somebody
said I don't really reload. I don't handload, and I
don't I'm not married to a particular cartridge. Is there
a cartridge or a couple of different ones that you recommend.
They say there's a lot of good AMMO available or
it's just inherently accurate.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Well, we do have some inherently accurate cartridges. You know.
The creed More has been become very famous. It is
very accurate cartridge. I don't know that I agree with
all the loadings that they do for it. For deer
hunting and stuff. I feel like they're too heavy of
bullets for that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You like slight, got's going faster for that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
For the creed More, for sure. You know, I have
one I bring whenever we bring kids hunting, and it's
a heavy barreled creed More doesn't have any recall to it,
and I run one fifteen one seventeen in it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
What about the PRC I like them. I mean, they're
they're pretty much that's an accuracy cartrige.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
It is, it is they they When guys asked me
to build them, I'm really happy to because I know
if they shoot Precision Hunter or match Amo from Hornerity,
they're gonna they're gonna be in that what we're just
talking about that half inch below half inch even on
the three hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They'll be happy.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I got guys that are shooting two shots touch like
echine of quarter groups at five hundred with any of
those PRC loadings. If we start with good components, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, wow, are there any particular cartridges you're seeing lately
that are kind of hot or.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I mean, you know, Horneredy is such a great marketing
company as well. You know, they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're they're but but they're also turned out good products.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
They do and that and that's why, and that's what
I think helps their marketing is that they're not just
bs and everybody that actually do put out a quality thing.
So the PRC line, I feel like has been the
past couple of years has been really really big because
they've kind of spaced it out a little bit too.
You know, they had the six five, and then a
year or so later they came out to three hundred,
and then a year so later they came out to seven.
(20:41):
My favorite of those is the three hundred. I just
like thirty cal I mean, I can't say I just
like thirty caliber, but I just I've just seen them
shoot real good and I think these so list it too.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, so many bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You got a lot of match bullets for three Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
And you know, like earlier, mister Tom, you had mentioned,
you know about like Waight and things like that of bullets,
and I feel like a lot of times guys will
when you build a custom rifle for somebody, that's one
of my questions is what bullets are you going to
shoot right? Because we want to make sure that the
twist rate of their barrel is conducive to that bullet.
Because if you give a guy a thirty cow with
(21:18):
a nine twist on it and he tries to shoot
one thirties out of it, it's obviously not going to
work out as good.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
And that's the point of having a custom rifle built.
It's custom. It's not just we pick the colors. You're
optimizing it to shoot the right way with the m
O and the bullet and all that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
How do people find out more about maniacal arms.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Maniacal arms dot com. We have maniacal arms Facebook, maniacal
underscore arms on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Okay, so yeah, you're all over social media.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Trying to be I'm not good at it, but.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Arms dot com. Also you can see these things on billbox.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, watch billbox you'll see what Todd does.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Check out magic running on Outdoor Channel.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It is gorgeous stuff. It is really Todd. Thank you
so much for joining us. Absolutely, this was fun.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You know, it's for having me.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
If we had another hour, we would keep talking about guns.
Oh wait, that's what we do around here, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, we appreciate it all, sir, Thank you all for
having me. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
All right, if you want to join us eight six
six Talk Gun we'll get you in there. I'm Tom Gresham,
joined by Ryan Gresham today here on gun Talk. Hey,
this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
I guess we got to keep doing this thing because
we're we're having too much fun talking with Todd. We're
trying to get him out the door. We're looking at
his guns. We're talking about long range shooting and three
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hundred norma. Yeah, Norman, he's shooting stuff. He says, Oh yeah,
hitting a mile. Everybody wants to hit it a mile now.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right, Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I mean, and it's like, build me a gun so
I could hit it a mile. Well, can you shoot
a mile?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
The gun that do this well, and we would talking
about he was shooting at something like two twenty two
hundred yards, Yeah, a mile and a half whatever. Yeah,
and we're talking about literally a change in the wind
by one mile an hour will make you miss a
three by three foot target.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You're off yards, yes, yeah, the drop is seventy feet
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And you know, if your flinging bullets out there and
you get a hit, you go, I hit it. I'm
write that down. Okay, that's fine, and you know what,
and that's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
But I will say I've done that. I've hit a
target at a mile. You really have unless you do it
all the time. You have to have somebody calling your
shot for you the wind and helping you because they
know what to look for and they know what to see.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You're just kind of like trying to not.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Screw it up. And yeah, you're the trigger puller.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Put a good trigger press on it.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's talk about triggers for a second.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
The you know, we do talk about it a good
bit under the heading of it applies for everything people
worry about. The wrong things people are thinking about site
site site site sites, and the reality is, and I'm thinking, now,
let's go back to pistol shooting out here. Uh, they're
trying to get that the sites just perfect and get
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that trigger just when it goes, you know, just at
the perfect time.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, and there is a certainly
so you know, put a good trigger press on it.
But it's probably one of the ways that people screw
up the most, and it's one of the easiest things
to fix. Really, I mean, it's more important than your stance.
It's probably more important than your grip, I mean, your
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sight's and your trigger press. If your sights are on
target and you press the trigger without messing up the sights,
you can get away with a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yes, yes, oh yeah, Well Chris demonstrates that out here
standing on one foot with a gun upside down, pulling
the trigger with a pinky right exactly, and he's hitting
the target, and you're going, how do you do that?
Just sight's on target and you put a good trigger
press on. Basically, you pulled the trigger without disturbing the sights.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
That's it, That's all you have to do.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
And then there's other things, right, I mean, once you
get has that, that could be a slow fire figuring
this thing out. But then there's other things and I'll
oh boy, I'm gonna upset everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
So you like that though, trigger reset?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh geez, here we go.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
So people go, oh, trigger reset. You gotta feel that reset.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You gotta hear that that audible click. No, if you're
hearing the audible click, you're doing it wrong. You need
to be resetting and then pressing the trigger in recoil
while you're still, while they're still, the gun.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Is still going boom.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Actually pressing the trigger during the recoil.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
What do you mean again, because okay, well we'll talk
through this. Right, you press the trigger, the sites are
on target, you're pressing, you're pressing, you're pressing. The gun
goes off, the gun recoils, it goes up a little
bit in a pistol. As that's happening, you should not
keep your finger pinned back, let the site settle, and
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then reset the trigger, and then start pressing the trigger
again to shoot a second time. What you should be
doing if you want to shoot fast and this will
actually act actually.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Help with accuracy.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
What you should be doing is sites are on target,
your press, press, press the trigger, boom, gun goes off.
In recoil, you release the trigger finger and you get
back to the wall.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So you're actually pressing the trigger back while you're coming
down from recoil until you hit that pressure wall.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Pressure wall, and as the sites settle, you press it
again and you go boom boom, boom, boom boom. And
you can do that very quickly. When you learn the trigger,
you learn the pressure wall and where that is. So
many people were told don't touch the trigger until you
unless you're intending to shoot the gun. And I mean
a lot of cops are told that, and they're trained
that way. Don't you even put your finger on that
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trigger unless you're going to shoot the gun. Well, you
have to be able to touch the trigger without the
gun going off if you're going to be a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And that is one of the things that the top
shooters do is they have completely recover. As they're coming
back down from recoil, they are ready to shoot again.
Not like I'm ready to pull the trigger again. They've
already pulled the trigger all the way back to that
pressure wall and the trigger, and all they need is
that last one pound of pressure to make it go off.
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Just as the sites get to the target goes off again,
and they do it over and over again.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's how they shoot so quickly.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And if you practice and you get training, you're going
to learn.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
This training.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
And people will say, well, that's unsafe. You know what,
It's okay, you can actually do that. Sites are back
on target on bad guy and bad guy is down
on the.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Ground or he's run away.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You don't have to shoot.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
You don't have to continue to pull the trigger, right,
you can save.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It if you're against the pressure wall. Yeah, you do
not have to shoot correct, Yeah, exactly. Hey, let's take
a call here. We got Scott calling in from Jackson, Missouri. Hey,
it's got Welcome to gun Talk. What you got here?
Speaker 14 (27:57):
Hey, Tom report? I've always wanted one, and I finally
got the choir one. I got a Ruger Red Super
Red Hawk seven and a half inch barrel, stainless and
UH forty four. Took it out and shot it. Shot
very good with it with iron sights. But I ordered
me a burse two by twenty stainless scope to go
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with it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
I won't know if you had any any knowledge of them.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, those seems suck a horrible I will take it
off your hands for half of what you paid for it.
Speaker 14 (28:31):
Oh no, no, I can't do that.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Ryan's gone. That doesn't work, you know that, right.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I don't think Scott's gonna fall for that. That's awesome. So,
uh are you gonna hunt with it? Is that the thinking?
Speaker 14 (28:44):
That's that's once I get a little practicing in, a
little training with it. Yeh, that's that's my plan.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
That's great.
Speaker 14 (28:50):
I need a lot of work, a lot of work
practically on the toe.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's fun.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean that you shad a lot of work. The
other thing is, of course, went to forty four magnum. Man,
you could either load up your own AMMO to have
reduce loads or get forty four special Ammo to shoot
in there, and you can get a lot of trigger
time in and trying to work on your technique without
recoil beating you up so much. Because look, forty four
magnums are great, but the reality is they're not that
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much fun to shoot a lot of snappy recoil.
Speaker 14 (29:20):
Yeah, I was really surprised how how scarce those guns are.
I mean, I know, they're still in production, but people
don't let go of them very much.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So well, they don't let go of them because they're
just that good.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And those are built tank super red hot quick.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
They are built like a tank.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I mean, as long as you're using factory ammo, you'll
never have to worry about the strength of that gun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And you'll have that thing forever. I mean, you're scraff.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So much fun with that seven half inch barrel too.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
If you run out of ammo as the bear is
charging you, you can blessing the bear to death with
that thing.
Speaker 14 (29:52):
No bears where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Hey, congratulations, Scott, you got a good one there, Bye bye,
Thank you, you take care. Let's see Tay what quick break here? Bill,
don't go anywhere. We've got to take our break. We'll
come back. We'll talk Yim one carby nobody anybody kim
one carby.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
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Speaker 2 (30:11):
Some guns could be fun. We'll be right back with
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
All right, we're back with you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We are live from well along the road, but we're
actually in the mother shift over here at gun Talk
Central in Range Grady Studios and Louisiana. Check it out
range Ready Studios dot com. Have a lot of classes
being taught here, a lot of the Yeah, we never
even got the experiences.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
We'll do that.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
A second after we talked to Bill, Bill called then
out of North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Bill, you're on gun Talk. What is this about an
M one car?
Speaker 15 (33:04):
Being my dad was a World War Two VET and
he carried one of those, and I'm interested in possibly
acquiring one. I know that there are companies making brand new,
modern versions, and then you can go out in the
marketplace and buy an older one. And I'm not sure
what the advantages are disadvantagers of doing either choice.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Well, the advantage for getting the older one is you
get a real one, kind of like your dad had,
and they're cool and they're historic, and honestly, if you
can find one you like, there's no reason not to.
They'll work just as well as the new ones. Obviously,
with the new one, you get a new one, but
it sounds to me like you probably would be more
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interested in the authentic real one, and I would probably
pick up a used one, okay.
Speaker 15 (33:55):
And the other question is my son is a hunter.
He mainly does bow hunting, but he's licensed for bear.
Oftentimes bear come across him, and he's considering getting a
pistol to protect himselves in case he needs it. What
kind of pistol you recommend for that type of hunting?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
And we're talking black bears here, right, correct?
Speaker 15 (34:22):
Black bear?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Ry you want to tackle that well, I mean probably,
probably he needs to call her previous caller and do
a trade for the super Redhawk. I mean, well, that'd
be too big for carrying, maybe, but I mean smaller,
but a smaller. You know, something that's a revolver is
great because it's simple, very simple, and you can operate
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one handed. One of the great things about a revolver
is you're not dependent on the shooter to run the gun.
A semi auto and a shooter can induce some alfunction,
especially one handed shooting or awkward positions, So a revolver
is great for that. And probably something you know, you
could be forty four mag forty four special, could be
three fifty seven mag with good ammo.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
That'd be the important thing is.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
To forty one magnum. If you can find one, they're
cool to.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah, and if he's more comfortable with the semi auto,
that's fine too, but I think good bullets and uh.
And then just the other part would be making lots
of noise in the woods. That's the you know, if
you're archery hunting, you want to make lots of noise.
That way you won't see bears or deer or dear.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah, like the winds.
Speaker 15 (35:28):
So are there are there any particular brands that are
falling that revolver category that are recommended.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
We're so lucky that we got a lot of Smith
and Wesson makes good ones, Ruger makes good ones.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Also, Taurus and ROSSI are making some good revolvers, and
probably if he's.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Going to be carrying it, I would opt for something
a little bit smaller.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I kind of lean towards.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
I'm talking myself into either the forty four magnum because
you can practice with the forty four special or thirty
to fifty seven magnum. You can practice with thirty eight
specials because that smaller, shorter barrel, lighter weight revolver that's
easier to carry, is not going to be as fun
to shoot with the heavy magnum loads that you want
for bear, So for practice shooting, shooting some lighter loads
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will make the practicing more fun.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
And I'm thinking three or four inch barrel, probably no
more than that, probably with a chest rig so you've
got the gun on your chest. The only problem here
you gotta be careful because if you're shooting a bow,
if that revolver, pistol whatever it is, gets in the
way up the string. You're going to have a rodeo
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and a halft when that stink string flies out there
and grabs that pistol, and now you've got arrow, gun
and everything else flying across the country.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
And build one more thing.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
If you do go the revolver out, and this is
for bear protection, do not cock the hammer on that
ever ever, ever practice with it double action. Just pull
the trigger and shoot the gun, because that's how you're
going to really shoot it if there's a bear climbing
up the tree.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Excellent point.
Speaker 15 (37:11):
Great, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You bet, thanks for the call. And you know you
mentioned shooting double action. I've kind of gotten a term
that I've come up with trying to describe to people
how to pull, because a lot of people want to
shoot their revolver double action, and they pull it back
and pull it back and pull it that, and then
they get it just they want to have that hammer
come all the way back and then stop, so they're
kind of doing a quasi single action pull.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And I use the term sweep.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Just sweep the trigger back once it starts to shoot
all the way back, just sweep it back and you'll
find that you can actually be a lot more accurate
than you think you can if you just keep the
sights on the target and sweep that trigger back rather
than trying to again time the perfect time for it
to go off.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
I asked Jerry Mitchellik about this. You're timing the prepping
the trigger, prepping the hammer on a revolver, and he
immediately said, no, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What's email about it?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What the hell's that?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
World record holder best revolver shooter ever guy?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, we might listen to them.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Okay, he said it conduce.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
You can induce malfunctions because it's a short stroke it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You can just sweep it back. Get it, I mean
get it can.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Actually induce flinching too. Oh so just pull the trigger
and keep the sites on target until.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It goes off.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, no, exactly right. So I mean, there it is.
We've got to take a break in just a second here.
You know, we never got to the whole experiences thing
and talk about what those are, and I want to
talk about that when we come back. It's a concept
that you came up with, Ryan, and you doing to
hear it range ready studios. I would encourage people to
go to range ready Studios dot com and also to
sign up because a lot of these classes, if you're
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on the newsletter list, you hear about it before they.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Actually make the website.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
That's the secret.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
And a lot of them set out before they hit
the website, and the only way you're gonna know or
be able to take advantage of them is to be
on the list.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
See there are some list it's good to be on.
Be back in just a second.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
And naturally, Jim and Ryan are both online looking up
M one car beings right.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Now and now the M two carbam full auto.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh yes, yeah, just because right yes, Oh quit quit,
get off the internet. You're gonna spend money right here.
Oh all right, let's we forget it again. We want
to talk about these experiences, this concept you create.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
What is this?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
So the idea is, we work with so many different
gun companies and optics and everything else in the gun
world that we said, why don't we give our audience
the chance to do what we do. We get invited
by Smith and Wesson or Ruger or SIGs Hour to
go to a media event and we get to shoot
the guns for two or three days with a trainer
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and have a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
How they introduce new products, how.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
At exactly these media events we go to.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
So we're working with companies where it'll be the We
just hosted the Cult Python Experience a couple months ago,
and so when the students show up, everybody has a
Cult Python sitting there in front of them. They've got
a holster from Galco. All of the AMMO is provided
by Federal.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's all they get to be a gun writer.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
They get.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
They come in and you know, they pay for the
class and the experience and all that stuff. They also
a lot of times take home this stuff. So like
in that example, they took home that Cult Python and
the correct correct. So we're gonna we have some amazing
ones set up for the spring that have not been
released yet. So that and you mentioned it going under
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the break go to range Ready studios dot com.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Sign up for the email list.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
I had a guy email me this morning and said, hey,
sign up for the email list, but I hadn't heard
anything yet.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
That's because we haven't released those classes yet.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So we're going to be released to people with lots
of email on this no, no.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
But when we do release new classes, those folks are
the first ones to get notified about it, and a
lot of times they do sell out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, I wouldn't cogitate about it for too long. If
you think you're interested, just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, we've got some really neat ones, I'll tease it.
We have.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
We'll have a pistol class in February that everyone will
be using a brand new pistol that has not been
released yet. Really, yes, so this is going to be
a big deal, big launch coming up and you guys
will everybody will be using that and getting one in
the price of the class.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
We also have another one in March that.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Ah, shall we say the craze of high end twenty
eleven's is a big deal these days, is the double
stack nineteen eleven's, And so we're gonna have an experience
coming up with that which is going to be really cool.
And I'll just go ahead and tell you you don't
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need all of these guns. Sell a couple and get
some really nice guns, okay, because this is like you
pick a gun up like that and you go, oh my, yes,
you think, oh, I didn't realize it could be like this.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It's so true.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And that's happened to be like two or three times
you pick up a certain gun, you go, oh, I
had no idea that a really finally made double barrel shotgun.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It felt like this right right, It's like it's completely different.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
And you're immediate if you're a gun nerd like you
or I and people listening who go, I've got so
many guns. Oh my gosh, you're willing to sell a
couple and go, I want to sell three or four?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
To get one, Yes, to get one that's like this
because when I pick it up, it makes me smile
every time, and it's special, and it's special. Anybuddies are
probably not have it. But the other part of this,
and they also shoot like gangbusters.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Oh yeah, they'll yeah, they they're almost good enough to
make you a good shooter.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Almost almost good enough. But that and the class at
the experience, that's it. You're gonna come away a better
shooter and with a good guy.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
So sign up for the emails range Ready Studios dot.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Com, Ramesradi Studios dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Any also, you get to come down here and check
out this incredible place that you have built. You might
even pick up a little bit of losing a food
on the way.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah, we're known for that.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, no kid, And sometimes it even shows up in
the classroom during the middle of one.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Of these experiences. Yes, cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, this is Tom Gresher.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
We hope you enjoyed this reloaded first Chris, you know,
the fun part is that guns are very practical and
they just work, and they're supposed to go bang and
all of that. And at the same time they're very
interesting and it could be works of art and they
can be like, holy cow, what is that? I gotta
go see that thing where? I mean, when somebody pulls
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some guys you just pull them out of the case
of people from all around the room were at the range.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Go what was that? I gotta go see what that
thing is.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I open your mics there, guys right, I'm gonna let
you introduce you buddy here because we brought in a
local expert who you've been featuring on Billbox.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, Todd Benera, welcome in, Man.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
I'm glad you'll man from Maniacal Arms.
Speaker 7 (00:54):
So, yeah, Todd's with maniacal Arms and he's local to us.
But I mean as super old rifle builder, custom you know,
gunsmith's Serico guy. And it's just interesting because I think
that Todd I say this all the time. There's so
many ways to enjoy guns, right absolutely. We were just
kind of going on a on a tangent about guns
(01:15):
for self defense and training. But in the middle of
that I interrupted and contradicted myself saying, but guns could
also just be for fun.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well absolutely, yeah, I mean it didn't always have to
be serious, right absolutely. I mean and because range time
and shooting, to a lot of people, that's a decompression
time too. It's time to get away, be with family, friends,
things like that. And uh, I think there's a lot
more to guns than just that. You know. It's like,
do you guys only hunt, well, yeah, but that's their thing.
Do you guys only competitive shoot? Yes? They mix it up.
(01:46):
You know, there's a lot of there's aspects.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
And there, and they're the people who want pretty guns,
custom guns. It's funny because I think custom guns have
always been a thing.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean it probably there were different they were different.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, but you might have had like a fine walnut
stock rifle and express sites and you're gonna take it
to Africa, And that was your custom rifle back fifty
years ago, seventy years ago, now you got I mean
during the break Todd, You're bringing these guns out of
the cases and I'm going, oh my, heavenly days.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (02:19):
These things are functional but also interesting and gorgeous and
interesting features you're putting on the sarahco jobs you do, man,
you are a master at the Sarah Coode.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I've been doing it about nine years now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Got it figured out.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yes, sir, And I'm certified by Sarah Coote as well.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Uh a important distinction.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Yeah, that's an important distinction because Sarah coot is like
this word that gun people use of, like, yeah, you
know it's it's Sarah codd like, but is it actually
Sarah coded? Like zaraho doesn't mean I painted it right?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Rattle? Has that become generic?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh yeah? People are like, oh yeah, Sarah coated and
like hold on, like.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, they know you cry al on it.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
And exactly, and it has to be applied by a
certified Sarah code applicant. I've been out there to Oregon
and I mean they're serious about how they.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
There's a certain way to do it right.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yes, that's great, and you know I guess like single
color stuff is, you know, it's painting. I've also been
a painter in my whole life. We own a paint company.
My wife still runs that. We've had it for thirty years.
But I've painted cars and trucks and boats and whatever
my whole life, Martin. And when you start getting into
(03:31):
the designs and the and the patterns on them, then
that's where the skill starts coming in. Because if you
do the layers wrong and you end up with edging
on all the colors, then you can feel the pattern
and that's not really correct, right, So you want it
to be kind of a seamless feel to everything too.
Sarah Coach's probably, in my opinion, one of the best
(03:52):
paint products I've ever messed with, because you're talking about
something that gives full coverage protection.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
In a mill of Well, that's the big thing you
were telling me before, of like, because there's different things
people can put on guns. But why do you like
Sarah Cooat so much? Because the thickness it doesn't change
other things of the gun. When you're a rifle builder.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
That matters absolutely absolutely, And you know there are some
bolt actions custom actions out there that you can't sarah
coat the inside of the action or the bolt because
they won't fit back together. Right, there's more tighter tolerance
than two thousands thousands on them. But then there are
a bunch of them that you can, you know, most
all the factory rifles you can sarah coat at all.
(04:32):
And it's I've used it long enough now and seen
it perform to where I just have a lot of
faith in it. I don't like giving a customer something
that I don't believe in or I don't sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I don't think is zarahood protection from weather from the elements? Yes, sir, uh,
pretty well?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh yeah. And there's different lines of it that are
better uvs have better UV stability if you leave it
in the sun, stuff like that. But they, you know,
they have branched out across this hole.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Car stuff, automotive, all these.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Kinds of things. Now it's that ceramic technology that that's
going into all that. But you know, we do higher
performance engine parts. I got a set of headers at
my shop right now that'll get done next week. We
have a barbell sitting there, you know, that's a brand
new Barbelle. We're going to do an LSU theme for
a guy on the bar. You know, we do fishing
(05:28):
reels for offshore.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh, I bet you that's great.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
How do people choose somebody who really knows what he's
doing or she's doing?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Putting on cerco I mean to start, I think the
Certified Applicator website is one of the better ways right
to find who's local to you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Sarah Coach's website.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, Sarah Coach's website, you know, and then too, it's
just you know, if you know people that have stuff
done by companies. I think it's just like every other company.
If you have a local standing and following, then and
people trust your work word of mouth, Yeah, word of mouth, you.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Know, right, if you would.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You guys got to talk about Billbox what you've had
todd to Yeah, so some wacky stuff.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
We uh so, I mean, I think people listening to
this if you're not familiar.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Buildbox is one of the shows that we produce.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
It airs on the Outdoor channel and then it also
you can find it online, so you can go to
buildboxtv dot com. Actually you could sign up for the giveaway.
We've got this big old giveaway going on from now
through the end of the year and literally there's gonna
be like one hundred winners.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
We all like leftovers. So what these are leftovers from Billbox?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Well, there's some of that, right, We've got vices and
tools and and but we also have I think five
or six guns from the show in this season that
we're going to give away as well.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And Todd did some of the work on some of these.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
But I mean so we kind of connected with Todd
because we just started going where's it, Who's is there
a local guy that could help us out? And he
started doing more and more. And for Billbox, I'd like
to keep it mostly di y type projects for people
to watch and they go, oh, I could do that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's kitchen table.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Gunsmith, and I can swap out a trigger or I
could do you know, certain projects. But when we want
to kind of step it up and show what's possible,
we call you Todd.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah. Yeah, And I always feel challenged on that and
I like that though, because I feel like that that
pushes me.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm just surprised you are still taking as calls.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
I know, well, tell me about great to me, they
tell them about the lever gun. Because the one of
the themes of this season of build boxes. We had
viewers submit guns for us to work on, and one
of them was a Sears and Roebuck lever gun.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And we got that thing in and we gave it
to you.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Todd, and that was that was not a just take
it apart and put it back together thing.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
No, it was you know, because it was made for
seers by Winchester, so it was very similar to a
Model ninety four, but there were some variances in it
that were different. And then when Chris ordered stocks for it, furnit,
you know, hardware, they didn't exactly fit like they needed
to per Winchester ninety four, so we had to modify.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
That's where your guns, the skills come out, right.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, that's when you do a little bit of the
extra stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The chisel comes out, you know, the fittment.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, if I do it, it's a chisel, tide does it.
It's it's fine work.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little fine scraper. But yeah, that
was a nice build. Uh. And you know, we were
missing a screw in it when it came in and
screws and I said, and I told my guys your
shop I was like, man, go in, I have a
safe in the back. That's my personal stuff. I said,
go in there and pull my ninety four out and
if that screw fits in it, make sure we can
order another one for mine and we'll just work, you know,
(08:41):
and it'll come in later. And when I got back
with it, Chris was like, oh, what you got that screw?
And I'm like, I had one on hand. Sound cool?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Cannibalize your own gun?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, anything for the show, right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
But it was funny because I mean, the guy said,
doing it whatever you want. This is a gun we use,
we hunt with. It's not a wallhannger. So so Todd
Sarah coated it and we just made a lot of
things right on it. I think the sites were kind of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
They were broken, broken and kind of welded and grinded
back down and you know, so we replaced that kind
of stuff and then it's a.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Kind of thing a good gun smith can do well.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And it was, you know, it was it had seen
us better days too. I mean that gun was pretty
rough when we got it. So, you know, he seemed
to be happy on the reveal.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He was really happy.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Yeah, And you know, I want to talk about custom
rifle billiness hold.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I thought I got to take a break or come
back on talk about custom rifles and Todd bills. These
gorgeous rifles that are not only beautiful, but they shoot
like gangbusters. We want to find out how do you
make a rifle shoot better than it really should. We'll
be right back with more gun talking.
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Speaker 3 (12:03):
Oh way too much fun we have during the break here,
We've got Ryan, Greshamir and Ryan if you would kick
us off with Todd because we were talking about rifles
and twins and what happens here you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Take the trends EBB and flow right.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yes, So we're talking about shorter barrel rifles. Is that
something you're seeing that lately?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Huh? Yeah. Even we do a lot of just barrel
threading on factory rifles for guys, right because now with
the way the suppressors have been easier to get, there's
been a real high volume of people buying them, so
more people have them. Instead of going to buy a
new rifle that comes threaded, we can thread your factory
rifle for you.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Is there a chance of somebody brings you their old,
old Trustee rifle and the barrel's not thick enough to
thread it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot, But it happens
where we can't get to maybe the thread designation that
there can has like I say a five eighths by
twenty four, we have to do it at nine sixteen's
twenty four. Well, we have bushings that will put on
adapter kind of deal. Yeah, just a bushing that goes
on has a shoulder on it. Le's the can, because
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for can you should have sixty or seventy thousands of shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But I got asked you.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You said, the trend is people want shorter vessels, so
now they're going to take their.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
And we're not talking about like a ten inch barrel.
We're not talking about SBR shut out, but like a
bolt gun instead of being a twenty two or twenty
four inch barrel.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Right, twenty three twenty four is pretty typical, right for
most hunting rifles and such calibers. And I've had a
guy come in with a WS a twenty seventy WSM,
and he requested it to be seventeen inches.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And now it's actually a two seventy Winchester or less
because of less losty loss.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It would be less.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
How much velocity is someone losing, like per inch on
a barrel, maybe thirty to forty.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Fifty even fifty, Yeah, depends on a car. If it's
a magnum, it could be per inch. So if you
lop off six or eight inches, you've gone from a
magnum to a standard cartrige.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, you're you're down hundred.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You've given up the advantage that you paid to get,
and you pay every time you have a round of ammunition.
You're giving it all up and you're sure blowing a
lot of powder and blast out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
There with that shorter barrel. Right, So why are they
doing that.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well for suppressor length, Because they buy a suppressor that's
nine or ten inches long, and then you add that
to a twenty four inch barrel. Now you have a
you know, a thirty three inch barrel on this gun.
It starts to become like a fishing pole. It is.
It's pretty long, it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Is it not possible to actually take the suppressor off
the rifle?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah? I mean it was unscrew it right, yeah right,
I mean, and I've even I don't tell customers that,
but I've told friends that, you know, just put in
your bag and when you get to the stand, screw
it on or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Hunt and well, what if I see a deer when
I'm walking to this down, I said, we'll shoot it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I mean simple answer.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Well, and you know, there is a little bit of
impact difference, shift of impact from a suppressor versus non
but most.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Of the time it's not if you're seeing aboute hundred yards,
it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Yeah, right, And if he's at four hundred yards, maybe
you have time to put the suppressor on here maybe yeah,
absolutely more than likely.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So all right, so you got all these gorgeous rifles
here and you build the stuff for billbox. What makes
a first of all, how accurate to a rifle will be?
And how do you make a rifle accurate?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
What's the what's the expectation for accuracy?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know? I think so industry wise, I feel like
sub m a is what everybody you know, especially thirty
caliber or bigger, is always going to be. Yeah, one
inch ae hundred yards. I feel like the smaller, the
six fives and stuff like that should probably fall in half.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So what are your rifles doing? I mean, it's okay,
you can brag it's our So you know, it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Depends on the cartridge too, because if someone is a
has only the option of running factory AMMO, then obviously
the AMMO is going to play a big part into
the accuracy of the rifle. We see a lot of
times with some ammos, the PRC lines, especially some of
the nozzle ar stuff. Factory AMMO. We're getting well under
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half out of a lot of guns. Sometimes just racket
holes at a hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That blue and over there laying on the ground, over there.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
One hole, one hole. But that's what handloads. Yeah, yeah,
one one hole ten shot group and one.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Hundred ten shots had the same hole pretty much. Yes,
And he says that like that ain't a big thing.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Well, you know, this is funny that you bring that up,
because me and one of my best friends that I've
hunted with for years and we handload. He actually started
teaching me to handload twenty years ago. We still shoot
together all the time. My range where I test all
my rifles is at his house. We have a five
hundred yards, which here in Louisiana, southern Louisiana, that's a
long range here, right. And the big thing that I've
(17:14):
kind of learned now is I'm not as so focused.
For a long time, we always wanted these little clover
leaf groups at one hundred because that was what we
wanted to see in print paper and it just looks good, right,
But back then we didn't have an opportunity to test
it out at five hundred, right, to see is that
group or is that load still holding up at that distance?
(17:37):
So now our focus on our especially on our handload
and especially for hunting rifles, is we wanted con you know,
half inch or better at one hundred, but we wanted
to hold half inch ma at five hundred two, right,
you know, And if it doesn't, then we don't feel
like we're on the right recipe right there.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Because that at that point other things start happening. Is that,
you know, is the bullet really stabilized?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Uh, is the load really consistent, because you could be
you can have two different loads that are shooting a
half an inch at one hundred yards but not necessarily
a half moa at five hundred.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Right, right, that's correct, yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And now we get into the science of handloading, and
that's a whole different world altogether, right there.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, And you know, that's one of my first questions
when guys come to me to have a custom rifle built. Well,
that's that's the first thing I ask, because most of
the time it's like a seventy percent kind of know
the caliber they want, and then sometimes they kind of
want a suggestion from me on what to build. Right.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Well, I was going to ask you that if somebody
said I don't really reload. I don't handload, and I
don't I'm not married to a particular cartridge. Is there
a cartridge or a couple of different ones that you recommend.
They say there's a lot of good AMMO available or
it's just inherently accurate.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Well, we do have some inherently accurate cartridges. You know.
The creed More has been become very famous. It is
very accurate cartridge. I don't know that I agree with
all the loadings that they do for it. For deer
hunting and stuff. I feel like they're too heavy of
bullets for that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You like slight, got's going faster for that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
For the creed More, for sure. You know, I have
one I bring whenever we bring kids hunting, and it's
a heavy barreled creed More doesn't have any recall to it,
and I run one fifteen one seventeen in it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
What about the PRC I like them. I mean, they're
they're pretty much that's an accuracy cartrige.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
It is, it is they they When guys asked me
to build them, I'm really happy to because I know
if they shoot Precision Hunter or match Amo from Hornerity,
they're gonna they're gonna be in that what we're just
talking about that half inch below half inch even on
the three hundred.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They'll be happy.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I got guys that are shooting two shots touch like
echine of quarter groups at five hundred with any of
those PRC loadings. If we start with good components, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, wow, are there any particular cartridges you're seeing lately
that are kind of hot or.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I mean, you know, Horneredy is such a great marketing
company as well. You know, they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They're they're but but they're also turned out good products.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
They do and that and that's why, and that's what
I think helps their marketing is that they're not just
bs and everybody that actually do put out a quality thing.
So the PRC line, I feel like has been the
past couple of years has been really really big because
they've kind of spaced it out a little bit too.
You know, they had the six five, and then a
year or so later they came out to three hundred,
and then a year so later they came out to seven.
(20:41):
My favorite of those is the three hundred. I just
like thirty cal I mean, I can't say I just
like thirty caliber, but I just I've just seen them
shoot real good and I think these so list it too.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, so many bullets.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You got a lot of match bullets for three Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
And you know, like earlier, mister Tom, you had mentioned,
you know about like Waight and things like that of bullets,
and I feel like a lot of times guys will
when you build a custom rifle for somebody, that's one
of my questions is what bullets are you going to
shoot right? Because we want to make sure that the
twist rate of their barrel is conducive to that bullet.
Because if you give a guy a thirty cow with
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a nine twist on it and he tries to shoot
one thirties out of it, it's obviously not going to
work out as good.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
And that's the point of having a custom rifle built.
It's custom. It's not just we pick the colors. You're
optimizing it to shoot the right way with the m
O and the bullet and all that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
How do people find out more about maniacal arms.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Maniacal arms dot com. We have maniacal arms Facebook, maniacal
underscore arms on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Okay, so yeah, you're all over social media.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Trying to be I'm not good at it, but.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Arms dot com. Also you can see these things on billbox.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, watch billbox you'll see what Todd does.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Check out magic running on Outdoor Channel.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It is gorgeous stuff. It is really Todd. Thank you
so much for joining us. Absolutely, this was fun.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You know, it's for having me.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
If we had another hour, we would keep talking about guns.
Oh wait, that's what we do around here, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, we appreciate it all, sir, Thank you all for
having me. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
All right, if you want to join us eight six
six Talk Gun we'll get you in there. I'm Tom Gresham,
joined by Ryan Gresham today here on gun Talk. Hey,
this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
I guess we got to keep doing this thing because
we're we're having too much fun talking with Todd. We're
trying to get him out the door. We're looking at
his guns. We're talking about long range shooting and three
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hundred norma. Yeah, Norman, he's shooting stuff. He says, Oh yeah,
hitting a mile. Everybody wants to hit it a mile now.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right, Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I mean, and it's like, build me a gun so
I could hit it a mile. Well, can you shoot
a mile?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
The gun that do this well, and we would talking
about he was shooting at something like two twenty two
hundred yards, Yeah, a mile and a half whatever. Yeah,
and we're talking about literally a change in the wind
by one mile an hour will make you miss a
three by three foot target.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You're off yards, yes, yeah, the drop is seventy feet
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And you know, if your flinging bullets out there and
you get a hit, you go, I hit it. I'm
write that down. Okay, that's fine, and you know what,
and that's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
But I will say I've done that. I've hit a
target at a mile. You really have unless you do it
all the time. You have to have somebody calling your
shot for you the wind and helping you because they
know what to look for and they know what to see.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You're just kind of like trying to not.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Screw it up. And yeah, you're the trigger puller.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Put a good trigger press on it.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's talk about triggers for a second.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
The you know, we do talk about it a good
bit under the heading of it applies for everything people
worry about. The wrong things people are thinking about site
site site site sites, and the reality is, and I'm thinking, now,
let's go back to pistol shooting out here. Uh, they're
trying to get that the sites just perfect and get
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that trigger just when it goes, you know, just at
the perfect time.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, and there is a certainly
so you know, put a good trigger press on it.
But it's probably one of the ways that people screw
up the most, and it's one of the easiest things
to fix. Really, I mean, it's more important than your stance.
It's probably more important than your grip, I mean, your
(24:26):
sight's and your trigger press. If your sights are on
target and you press the trigger without messing up the sights,
you can get away with a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yes, yes, oh yeah, Well Chris demonstrates that out here
standing on one foot with a gun upside down, pulling
the trigger with a pinky right exactly, and he's hitting
the target, and you're going, how do you do that?
Just sight's on target and you put a good trigger
press on. Basically, you pulled the trigger without disturbing the sights.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
That's it, That's all you have to do.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
And then there's other things, right, I mean, once you
get has that, that could be a slow fire figuring
this thing out. But then there's other things and I'll
oh boy, I'm gonna upset everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
So you like that though, trigger reset?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh geez, here we go.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
So people go, oh, trigger reset. You gotta feel that reset.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You gotta hear that that audible click. No, if you're
hearing the audible click, you're doing it wrong. You need
to be resetting and then pressing the trigger in recoil
while you're still, while they're still, the gun.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Is still going boom.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Actually pressing the trigger during the recoil.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
What do you mean again, because okay, well we'll talk
through this. Right, you press the trigger, the sites are
on target, you're pressing, you're pressing, you're pressing. The gun
goes off, the gun recoils, it goes up a little
bit in a pistol. As that's happening, you should not
keep your finger pinned back, let the site settle, and
(25:58):
then reset the trigger, and then start pressing the trigger
again to shoot a second time. What you should be
doing if you want to shoot fast and this will
actually act actually.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Help with accuracy.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
What you should be doing is sites are on target,
your press, press, press the trigger, boom, gun goes off.
In recoil, you release the trigger finger and you get
back to the wall.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So you're actually pressing the trigger back while you're coming
down from recoil until you hit that pressure wall.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Pressure wall, and as the sites settle, you press it
again and you go boom boom, boom, boom boom. And
you can do that very quickly. When you learn the trigger,
you learn the pressure wall and where that is. So
many people were told don't touch the trigger until you
unless you're intending to shoot the gun. And I mean
a lot of cops are told that, and they're trained
that way. Don't you even put your finger on that
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trigger unless you're going to shoot the gun. Well, you
have to be able to touch the trigger without the
gun going off if you're going to be a good shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And that is one of the things that the top
shooters do is they have completely recover. As they're coming
back down from recoil, they are ready to shoot again.
Not like I'm ready to pull the trigger again. They've
already pulled the trigger all the way back to that
pressure wall and the trigger, and all they need is
that last one pound of pressure to make it go off.
(27:18):
Just as the sites get to the target goes off again,
and they do it over and over again.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's how they shoot so quickly.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And if you practice and you get training, you're going
to learn.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
This training.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
And people will say, well, that's unsafe. You know what,
It's okay, you can actually do that. Sites are back
on target on bad guy and bad guy is down
on the.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Ground or he's run away.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You don't have to shoot.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
You don't have to continue to pull the trigger, right,
you can save.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It if you're against the pressure wall. Yeah, you do
not have to shoot correct, Yeah, exactly. Hey, let's take
a call here. We got Scott calling in from Jackson, Missouri. Hey,
it's got Welcome to gun Talk. What you got here?
Speaker 14 (27:57):
Hey, Tom report? I've always wanted one, and I finally
got the choir one. I got a Ruger Red Super
Red Hawk seven and a half inch barrel, stainless and
UH forty four. Took it out and shot it. Shot
very good with it with iron sights. But I ordered
me a burse two by twenty stainless scope to go
(28:19):
with it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
I won't know if you had any any knowledge of them.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, those seems suck a horrible I will take it
off your hands for half of what you paid for it.
Speaker 14 (28:31):
Oh no, no, I can't do that.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Ryan's gone. That doesn't work, you know that, right.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I don't think Scott's gonna fall for that. That's awesome. So,
uh are you gonna hunt with it? Is that the thinking?
Speaker 14 (28:44):
That's that's once I get a little practicing in, a
little training with it. Yeh, that's that's my plan.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
That's great.
Speaker 14 (28:50):
I need a lot of work, a lot of work
practically on the toe.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's fun.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean that you shad a lot of work. The
other thing is, of course, went to forty four magnum. Man,
you could either load up your own AMMO to have
reduce loads or get forty four special Ammo to shoot
in there, and you can get a lot of trigger
time in and trying to work on your technique without
recoil beating you up so much. Because look, forty four
magnums are great, but the reality is they're not that
(29:17):
much fun to shoot a lot of snappy recoil.
Speaker 14 (29:20):
Yeah, I was really surprised how how scarce those guns are.
I mean, I know, they're still in production, but people
don't let go of them very much.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So well, they don't let go of them because they're
just that good.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And those are built tank super red hot quick.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
They are built like a tank.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I mean, as long as you're using factory ammo, you'll
never have to worry about the strength of that gun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And you'll have that thing forever. I mean, you're scraff.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So much fun with that seven half inch barrel too.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
If you run out of ammo as the bear is
charging you, you can blessing the bear to death with
that thing.
Speaker 14 (29:52):
No bears where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Hey, congratulations, Scott, you got a good one there, Bye bye,
Thank you, you take care. Let's see Tay what quick break here? Bill,
don't go anywhere. We've got to take our break. We'll
come back. We'll talk Yim one carby nobody anybody kim
one carby.
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Some guns could be fun. We'll be right back with
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
All right, we're back with you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We are live from well along the road, but we're
actually in the mother shift over here at gun Talk
Central in Range Grady Studios and Louisiana. Check it out
range Ready Studios dot com. Have a lot of classes
being taught here, a lot of the Yeah, we never
even got the experiences.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
We'll do that.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
A second after we talked to Bill, Bill called then
out of North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Bill, you're on gun Talk. What is this about an
M one car?
Speaker 15 (33:04):
Being my dad was a World War Two VET and
he carried one of those, and I'm interested in possibly
acquiring one. I know that there are companies making brand new,
modern versions, and then you can go out in the
marketplace and buy an older one. And I'm not sure
what the advantages are disadvantagers of doing either choice.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Well, the advantage for getting the older one is you
get a real one, kind of like your dad had,
and they're cool and they're historic, and honestly, if you
can find one you like, there's no reason not to.
They'll work just as well as the new ones. Obviously,
with the new one, you get a new one, but
it sounds to me like you probably would be more
(33:47):
interested in the authentic real one, and I would probably
pick up a used one, okay.
Speaker 15 (33:55):
And the other question is my son is a hunter.
He mainly does bow hunting, but he's licensed for bear.
Oftentimes bear come across him, and he's considering getting a
pistol to protect himselves in case he needs it. What
kind of pistol you recommend for that type of hunting?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
And we're talking black bears here, right, correct?
Speaker 15 (34:22):
Black bear?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Ry you want to tackle that well, I mean probably,
probably he needs to call her previous caller and do
a trade for the super Redhawk. I mean, well, that'd
be too big for carrying, maybe, but I mean smaller,
but a smaller. You know, something that's a revolver is
great because it's simple, very simple, and you can operate
(34:44):
one handed. One of the great things about a revolver
is you're not dependent on the shooter to run the gun.
A semi auto and a shooter can induce some alfunction,
especially one handed shooting or awkward positions, So a revolver
is great for that. And probably something you know, you
could be forty four mag forty four special, could be
three fifty seven mag with good ammo.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
That'd be the important thing is.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
To forty one magnum. If you can find one, they're
cool to.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah, and if he's more comfortable with the semi auto,
that's fine too, but I think good bullets and uh.
And then just the other part would be making lots
of noise in the woods. That's the you know, if
you're archery hunting, you want to make lots of noise.
That way you won't see bears or deer or dear.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah, like the winds.
Speaker 15 (35:28):
So are there are there any particular brands that are
falling that revolver category that are recommended.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
We're so lucky that we got a lot of Smith
and Wesson makes good ones, Ruger makes good ones.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Also, Taurus and ROSSI are making some good revolvers, and
probably if he's.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Going to be carrying it, I would opt for something
a little bit smaller.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I kind of lean towards.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
I'm talking myself into either the forty four magnum because
you can practice with the forty four special or thirty
to fifty seven magnum. You can practice with thirty eight
specials because that smaller, shorter barrel, lighter weight revolver that's
easier to carry, is not going to be as fun
to shoot with the heavy magnum loads that you want
for bear, So for practice shooting, shooting some lighter loads
(36:17):
will make the practicing more fun.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
And I'm thinking three or four inch barrel, probably no
more than that, probably with a chest rig so you've
got the gun on your chest. The only problem here
you gotta be careful because if you're shooting a bow,
if that revolver, pistol whatever it is, gets in the
way up the string. You're going to have a rodeo
(36:41):
and a halft when that stink string flies out there
and grabs that pistol, and now you've got arrow, gun
and everything else flying across the country.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
And build one more thing.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
If you do go the revolver out, and this is
for bear protection, do not cock the hammer on that
ever ever, ever practice with it double action. Just pull
the trigger and shoot the gun, because that's how you're
going to really shoot it if there's a bear climbing
up the tree.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Excellent point.
Speaker 15 (37:11):
Great, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You bet, thanks for the call. And you know you
mentioned shooting double action. I've kind of gotten a term
that I've come up with trying to describe to people
how to pull, because a lot of people want to
shoot their revolver double action, and they pull it back
and pull it back and pull it that, and then
they get it just they want to have that hammer
come all the way back and then stop, so they're
kind of doing a quasi single action pull.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And I use the term sweep.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Just sweep the trigger back once it starts to shoot
all the way back, just sweep it back and you'll
find that you can actually be a lot more accurate
than you think you can if you just keep the
sights on the target and sweep that trigger back rather
than trying to again time the perfect time for it
to go off.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
I asked Jerry Mitchellik about this. You're timing the prepping
the trigger, prepping the hammer on a revolver, and he
immediately said, no, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What's email about it?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
What the hell's that?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
World record holder best revolver shooter ever guy?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, we might listen to them.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Okay, he said it conduce.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
You can induce malfunctions because it's a short stroke it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You can just sweep it back. Get it, I mean
get it can.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Actually induce flinching too. Oh so just pull the trigger
and keep the sites on target until.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It goes off.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, no, exactly right. So I mean, there it is.
We've got to take a break in just a second here.
You know, we never got to the whole experiences thing
and talk about what those are, and I want to
talk about that when we come back. It's a concept
that you came up with, Ryan, and you doing to
hear it range ready studios. I would encourage people to
go to range ready Studios dot com and also to
sign up because a lot of these classes, if you're
(38:52):
on the newsletter list, you hear about it before they.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Actually make the website.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
That's the secret.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
And a lot of them set out before they hit
the website, and the only way you're gonna know or
be able to take advantage of them is to be
on the list.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
See there are some list it's good to be on.
Be back in just a second.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
And naturally, Jim and Ryan are both online looking up
M one car beings right.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Now and now the M two carbam full auto.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh yes, yeah, just because right yes, Oh quit quit,
get off the internet. You're gonna spend money right here.
Oh all right, let's we forget it again. We want
to talk about these experiences, this concept you create.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
What is this?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
So the idea is, we work with so many different
gun companies and optics and everything else in the gun
world that we said, why don't we give our audience
the chance to do what we do. We get invited
by Smith and Wesson or Ruger or SIGs Hour to
go to a media event and we get to shoot
the guns for two or three days with a trainer
(40:04):
and have a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
How they introduce new products, how.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
At exactly these media events we go to.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
So we're working with companies where it'll be the We
just hosted the Cult Python Experience a couple months ago,
and so when the students show up, everybody has a
Cult Python sitting there in front of them. They've got
a holster from Galco. All of the AMMO is provided
by Federal.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's all they get to be a gun writer.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
They get.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
They come in and you know, they pay for the
class and the experience and all that stuff. They also
a lot of times take home this stuff. So like
in that example, they took home that Cult Python and
the correct correct. So we're gonna we have some amazing
ones set up for the spring that have not been
released yet. So that and you mentioned it going under
(40:54):
the break go to range Ready studios dot com.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Sign up for the email list.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
I had a guy email me this morning and said, hey,
sign up for the email list, but I hadn't heard
anything yet.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
That's because we haven't released those classes yet.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So we're going to be released to people with lots
of email on this no, no.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
But when we do release new classes, those folks are
the first ones to get notified about it, and a
lot of times they do sell out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, I wouldn't cogitate about it for too long. If
you think you're interested, just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, we've got some really neat ones, I'll tease it.
We have.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
We'll have a pistol class in February that everyone will
be using a brand new pistol that has not been
released yet. Really, yes, so this is going to be
a big deal, big launch coming up and you guys
will everybody will be using that and getting one in
the price of the class.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
We also have another one in March that.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Ah, shall we say the craze of high end twenty
eleven's is a big deal these days, is the double
stack nineteen eleven's, And so we're gonna have an experience
coming up with that which is going to be really cool.
And I'll just go ahead and tell you you don't
(42:13):
need all of these guns. Sell a couple and get
some really nice guns, okay, because this is like you
pick a gun up like that and you go, oh my, yes,
you think, oh, I didn't realize it could be like this.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It's so true.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And that's happened to be like two or three times
you pick up a certain gun, you go, oh, I
had no idea that a really finally made double barrel shotgun.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It felt like this right right, It's like it's completely different.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
And you're immediate if you're a gun nerd like you
or I and people listening who go, I've got so
many guns. Oh my gosh, you're willing to sell a
couple and go, I want to sell three or four?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
To get one, Yes, to get one that's like this
because when I pick it up, it makes me smile
every time, and it's special, and it's special. Anybuddies are
probably not have it. But the other part of this,
and they also shoot like gangbusters.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Oh yeah, they'll yeah, they they're almost good enough to
make you a good shooter.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Almost almost good enough. But that and the class at
the experience, that's it. You're gonna come away a better
shooter and with a good guy.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
So sign up for the emails range Ready Studios dot.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Com, Ramesradi Studios dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Any also, you get to come down here and check
out this incredible place that you have built. You might
even pick up a little bit of losing a food
on the way.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah, we're known for that.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, no kid, And sometimes it even shows up in
the classroom during the middle of one.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Of these experiences. Yes, cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
All right, we'll be right back in just a minute.
If you want to join us, by all means, give
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