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-- Ryan Gresham, from Range Ready Studios and Gun Talk Media, steps in to co-host the show today. He's testing guns and has thoughts on where the firearms industry is going.
-- Scopes and other optics just keep getting better, but what makes for a good optic? Trent Marsh from Riton Optics explains what they do to bring high-end glass to the market at reasonable prices.
-- Training isn't the same as practice. Training can save your life.
Gun Talk 01.19.25 Hour 1
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-- Ryan Gresham, from Range Ready Studios and Gun Talk Media, steps in to co-host the show today. He's testing guns and has thoughts on where the firearms industry is going.
-- Scopes and other optics just keep getting better, but what makes for a good optic? Trent Marsh from Riton Optics explains what they do to bring high-end glass to the market at reasonable prices.
-- Training isn't the same as practice. Training can save your life.
Gun Talk 01.19.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reloaded version. Welcome again to gun Talk on Tom Gresham.
I am your host. I am on the road again.
We are remote now, but you know it's going to
sound just fine because we're at Range Ready Studios. I'm
in the big TV studio here in the middle of
gun Talk Central down in Louisiana, about halfway between bat
(00:35):
Rouge and New Orleans. It's where we have our classes,
our experiences, all the new guns that are being introduced
here like crazy. A lot of manufacturers come down here
and they introduce the new products, a lot of fun stuff.
I'm going to be here for gosh, almost two weeks,
and I'm actually down here to take the class, the
Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that'll be we rre not this
(00:58):
coming week but the following week, so looking forward to that.
But in the meantime I'll be shooting a bunch of
guns and trying some different things and hanging out with
the guys from Gun Talks and we're having some fun. Basically,
we're just kind of shooting the breeves. We've got so
many things to talk about today, and of course we'd
like to welcome you to you know, come in and
you know, you can ask questions, you can throw out
your thoughts, you can disagree with us.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's always fun.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We love that and we're not disagreeable, but we can
disagree about things because you know, of course the six
or five creed works is worthless and bounces off of deer.
I love saying that. It just torks people off whenever
you do that. That is so much fun. We got
a lot of things going on today. Actually, I just
our co host just walked in here. We've got Ryan Gresham,
(01:40):
he is the head guy here at range Ready Studios
and gun Talks Central. Did you get everything worked out there?
That's the hit that button over there. There you go, Okay,
here we go, there you are.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, you know, it's it's kind of fun being here
on a Sunday trying to get some work done.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, you actually get more work done on Sunday when
there's nobody around here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's right, My best friends are going. I always going
to the office on weekends. That's when I get stuff done.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, that's right, because people quit bothering you.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, speaking of work, we've got a lot of things
going on, and one of the things we talk about
a lot around here is optics. And you know, you
could spend a ton of money on optics and generally
you kind of get what you pay for.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Accept at that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think that model may have changed and now you're
getting high level optics at reasonable prices and joining me
to talk about that right now. We brought in Trent
marsh for Right on Optics. Hey Trent, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Man, get duck you Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, you bet you got Ryan and me here, so
you know, you never know who you're going to be
talking to around here.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, Trent, get duck you to Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So first off, tell people about right on Optics. Where'd
you guys come from? Because there are people out there.
I know it probably drives you crazy people to go really,
I never heard of you guys?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Who are you? No?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I mean, that's you know, it's it's the kind of
the benefit of living in the glory age of all
things that go boom. As there's been a lot of
brands that have kind of come about in the last
you know, really two decades, especially where where the industry
is really kind of blown up and added some names
(03:12):
to go along with the old guard and right been
around for about a decade now, and I'd quartered out
there in Tucson and just trying to provide another option,
another configuration for folks optics needs. So that's what we're
doing on a daily basis, is just bringing another option
to folks that are looking for those optic solutions.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I took your spotting scope, one of your spotting scopes
out to Deer Camp this year, and just because because
I'm just that kind of a guy, we put it
on a tripod and we left it outside. We didn't
never brought it into the tent. It snowed on it,
it rained on it. I mean, this was the camp
spotting scope to look around and see stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And it's small, and it's light, and.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's really slick, and it works really well and it
never had a hiccup. But I will say we did
find one thing. I got a bone to pick with
you on it.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It takes forever to I mean, it's a great lens cap.
It's a screwing lens cap. But man, when you want
to get that thing off on, hurry you're going screws screw.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh my god, he's going to get away five. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, I have said the same thing on multiple occasions. Yes,
the yep, there are there are some threads on there.
It's finding that balance between protection and accessibility, right, So that's.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I gotta figure it out. I've got a hack for you. You know,
you know, the snap on top for a pringles can. Yeah,
there you go, buddy. I don't know, we're going to
make it fit.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You're going around the whole grocery store and looking that
looks like a perfect cat exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You got you know, you got your spotting scope on
to your arm while you're walking around the grocery store
trying these plastic caps.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
That can of breadcrumbs looks perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's right, this guy, Oh my gosh. No, but it's
it's a really nice piece of glass. And I guess
that leads me to the question of and it's not
stupid expenses, So how do you guys do that?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
No, it's really not. You know that the optics on
that are great, but you know, it's tough. The thing
that impresses me about that spotting scope is the size,
coming in less than thirteen inches and weigh in less
than three pounds. That's that's just a fantastic piece. It's
one that honestly, I've on more than one occasion, I've
just thrown it on top of my range bag. It's
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you know, you always have that extra trip from the
vehicle to the spot on the range for everything else
that goes with so saving any of those is is great.
You know, it's we've we've spent a lot of time.
You know. Value is it's not a word I'd like
to use a lot because that that makes it sound like,
(06:05):
you know, we're we're cheating something, or it's a it's
a it's a cheap option, and value doesn't necessarily have
to mean cheap. That's that's not what we're doing. You know,
with optics, it's like it's like anything else. Truthfully, last
couple decades, the way economies have opened up, in the
way product development has changed, and just the efficiency of
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bringing product to market has has brought the cost down
on so many things. You know, we're just coming out
of Black Friday. You can walk into Walmart and pick
up a TV that you know, ten years ago was
one thousand dollars TV, and now you can walk out
for two hundred bucks. And it's kind of the same thing.
Every everything evolves and everything gets more efficient, and it's
(06:45):
with optics. You know, we've talked about it before that
you know. The misconception is that you know, right On
has a glass factory and insert every other brand has
their own glass factory. Well, it's like pickup trucks, or
it's like TVs, or it's like anything else, and so
many of our listeners are working, you know, in an
industry where you know, you start asking questions and well,
(07:09):
the components themselves, you get far enough back in the
manufacturing process. There's only so many places that can manufacture
this stuff. So it's not it's not necessarily the materials
that are setting it apart. It is the specific constellation
of how those available materials are configured to be able
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to go to market in a way that you can
deliver most of what the consumer needs and find places
where maybe something that's not as important but that makes
it a significantly more expensive piece. If you can, if
you can maybe cut some of those things out where
it still does ninety to ninety five percent of what
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three quarters of the market needs it to do. You
may be able to bring a way more affordable option
to the market and find those opportunities to differentiate yourself
a little bit. And that's really what we focus on
trying to do is just always always keeping that performance aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Inlay, Trent, we always say the last ten percent of
improvement costs one hundred percent more in everything.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
In everything does boats, playing, motorcycles, fishing lures. Trent, I'm
on your website and obviously you guys have scopes, red dots,
Buyo's spotting scopes. I'm looking at the five primal two
to twelve, which seems like a great kind of do
all type of scope. But is there anything in your
lineup that you personally like a lot or you feel
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like maybe it's kind of under the radar that people
ought to look at.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So, you know the because I'm in marketing, I'm gonna
give you the really long answer, right That's what I do.
But so much of right On's history has been on
the tactical and long range side and building out that
primal family with good options for hunters. Has been something
(09:06):
that's been a bit of a focus. You know, I've
been here right out a year now and we've brought
several new new options in in that and that five
primal two to twelve IR is one of them. And
I you know, personally, I love that configuration. I am uh.
You know, I've been in and around optics for for
a long time, longer than I've been it right on,
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and so often people are worried about that top end magnification,
and it's top end magnification has value, but it can
cause you a lot more problems than it solves. And
especially in a hunting scenario, you've always got time to
turn the magnification up, but what you rarely have time
to do is turn it down for when he looks
right in on your lap, right. But that that lower
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end of the magnification range to me is so important.
So I've been an LPVO fan for a long time,
even for hunting applications, for that specific purpose, two to
twelve really gives you a wide range of magnification to
be able to you know, account for that up close
personal stuff, but also stretch it out. So that that's
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definitely one of my favorites, and I just I love
that centered out illumination radical, you know, especially for for.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I ar is illuminated redical, right, it is correct.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You know, so many of our cartridges anymore. You know,
Tom already took a swipe at the six five. Not
not that long ago, but so many. You know, even
if you go to the heavyweight stuff three oh eight,
so thirty six and even up into forty five seventies.
You know, the perception of how long your shot is
going to be always exceeds what it actually ends up being.
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I think the average shot on a white tail, which
is eighty percent of hunting in this country, is you know,
under one hundred yards, So that's your zero hold on
pretty much anything pretty close to three hundred yards out
of the box.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You're modern, but you know, I got to say that
anybody who's worried about I got to have a twenty
two you know power magnification for long shots. No you don't.
I mean you can make a four hundred yard shot
with a six x magnification with a twelve ends like this.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Two to twelve. You know, you got your two four.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That deer that jumps up at ten yards is running
off you can make that shot at twelve. You can
take any shot that you can reasonably take for hunting,
and you fill in the blank for whatever is you know,
well reasible to you.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The six to five need more. It can only shoot
out to kill stuff. Well, I mean, I'm teasing, but seriously,
there is a distance. Even if you can hit targets,
it doesn't have the energy, the foot pounds to actually
effectively kill games.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean, the people are using big magnums and they're
going way way out there. But for most people, if
you said, okay, five six hundred yards, twelve power is
plenty and then some. So again, going back to I'm
right there with you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
True, I've always loved the low power variables.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A two to six, you know, a two to five
is always great, But you did have quite enough on
the top end.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Two to twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Frankly, ten fifteen years ago was kind of unheard of
to have that kind of range.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Well, it's it's one of you know, the Again we
talk about how things get more efficient and more options
open up. For years and years and years, your only
magnification ranges were threes and fours. You know, you had
three to twelve, You had three to nine and you
had four to six teams. That's really only been in
the last couple of decades that you know, I've been
in the industry long enough that when Commit and Bender
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dropped that one to eight, the whole universe sat back
and said, holy cow, and eight times magnification system. And
now you know, pretty much everybody has a one to ten.
You know, everyone has a one to eight, and most
most companies have an option in a one to ten. So,
you know, you give some things up, and it is
a tougher optical system to manage, and there are certain
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you know, things you need to you know, be mindful
of in those situations. But yeah, it's just another one
of those situations is where take advantage of the things
that make sense. And for me, that kind of five
or six times optical system is really in the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Hey, one other we're going to have to scoot. Let
me just do this. I want to drive people to
your website. Right on optics is our it O in
our ital in optics, and they've got binoculars and red
dots and you know, dot scopes and spotting scopes and
rifle scopes. It's a complete line of optics with more
(13:29):
to come. I imagine that shot show. We're going to
see it even more.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Oh there there's always stuff in the works, absolutely, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, Trent, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We appreciate what you guys do bringing really good optics
at a reasonable price to the market for us.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
This is great.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Good talk to you, guys. Appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
See Trent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Take care all right? Eight six six talk gun or
Tom talk gun. We're open lines. If you got a
question for me or for Ryan. You want to talk
about range reading studios or the classes they're doing here.
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Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, Ypter, quit talk about guns, so we can start
talking about guns again. We've got Ryan Gresham from Range
Erding Studios and gun Talk Media over here. We're actually
in the big TV studio here at range Rady Studios,
which is great because he's got.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
The whole room.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's a massive room, all sound proof and everything. You
like it, We like it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You got what like depending on which way you point
the camera, you must have like six different sets in here.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know what's good? Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You know what's wild about this room is when you're
when you're building a TV studio, a video studio. I mean,
one of the big deals is sound, right, have to
have good sound in the room so it's not too echoy,
but you also want to keep sound out. And we're
on a highway. We're not talking to back, you know,
miles off the road. And then you've got rain that
can come in and all this stuff so we didn't.
(17:13):
We put a lot of effort into making this a
sort of sound proof room. So, but we do have
the range ready range out back.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The shooting range.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's like one hundred yards out the back, maybe fifty
yards they're standing just outside the door here.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The loudest thing we do here is when we run
an ar class. I mean you have ten or fifteen
ars going off at.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
The same time. It's it's pretty loud.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And when you're in here, all you can hear with
the like the naked ear would be.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Does it come through microphones at all?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Doesn't?
Speaker 6 (17:48):
No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
We could be doing the show live right now and
have you know World War three going out out there.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, and you might describe what you had to do.
First of all, this room was a huge insulated room
because this was a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the walls here are like what twelve inches thick?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, maybe more than that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And you know, it's it's interesting and we've we've had experience,
I mean my background and yours playing music when I
was younger, playing in recording studios and then going to
do it all these TV studios in Alabama and New Orleans,
and Baton Rouge and all these places and looking at
what how they constructed their studios. So we actually tore well,
(18:26):
hurricane helped, but it tore part of the roof off,
and then we puts. We tore the rest of it off,
and then we kind of built back from there. We
built back better, if you will, and we sprayed it
with sound insulation, rubberized coating, and then you put in
sound batting and regular Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it's like, oh,
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this is for video.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, sure, there's a five X factor on that.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We'll sell you some some tape, a roll of tape.
This is one hundred dollars for the roll of tape.
It's called gaff tape.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's different, right, it's not duct tape tape. Yeah, shut
all right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, but you actually ended up building a room inside
of a room exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, you build a room inside of a room and
just extreme soundproofing.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
So it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And so of course this is part of the complex,
if you will. And then you were just last night
you were showing me some video you shot. You had
a local swat team doing some training in your shooethouse here.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, we have a part of the building was honestly
part of the building where we said, I don't know
what we're going to do with this part. You know,
people say we bought more building what we needed, but
then we turned it into a shootthouse.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
It's about a four thousand square foot shootthouse.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And so yeah, we have local SWAT teams come in
and they said, can we bring the canine in and
do some stuff?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So cool, as long as I get to film it.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So yeah, we I got to tag along, and it's
it's pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The canine known as a meat missile. Yes, oh, man,
like you turn them loose in your hauling fur missile.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
He was just so excited to tear apart the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh yeah, and the bad guy is he's playing the part.
He's screaming an awkwardse I think he would actually if
he had that dog all over you, you'd be screaming. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I can't I can't forget the the canine officer that
we had on the show many years ago. And I
don't know if this was on the air or off
the air, but he said, yeah, we had a guy
last week.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
He was under house.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
We're yelling at him, Hey man, come out, We're gonna
send the dog in. We know you're under there. Come out,
and the guy won't come out. He send the dog
in a and the dog comes back with an ear. No,
hey man, I told.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
You come out.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's right. You know you could save that ear. Just
what it is? You made bad choicesly cow. So they're
shooting sims inside, right.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Correct, not live fires.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So so sims simmunitions, paintball type stuff you do.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
On occasional classes and different events doing sims inside, and
you're doing other classes. But I wanted you to talk
about the well, tell you what we're going to run
into our break here just a second. When we come back,
I want to talk about the experiences because there are
a lot of places in the country where you can
go and take good classes, and we encourage people to
go somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Right, absolutely, get training. I don't care where it is.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We we we don't run enough classes to train everybody,
but everybody needs to get some training. And when we
say training, what we really mean is in an entire
day or an entire two or three days of dedicated
training that you will really improve and become a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right, Yeah, not just a familiarization an actual training classes
where you're learning to shoot, learning to do things that
you've not done before, which is a lot of it.
But you know, so you've got you know, you know
classes here. But as you said, we encourage people to
go take classes and other places anywhere the gun Sight,
Thunder Ranch, sig Academy, somewhere. But at the same time,
you're doing a thing that you created. It's unique called
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the experiences where people get to come in and try
sometimes new things where they actually can't even talk about
the guns they got.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
The sweet and we have a bunch of them coming
up next year.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh okay, all right, when we come back, we'll talk
about that. Well, the ones you can talk about because
some of them are secret, sauce straight. That's fun stuff.
Eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We'll
get you in here on Tom Gresham. He's Ryan Gresham.
This is gun Talk. Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We
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hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Kee.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
If only we could just talk about guns a while.
Oh yeah, that's what we do. If you could listen
to the entire break. Sometimes we had to do that
right and just go okay, we're just gonna keep the
mics open, yeah, and just do the We'll do a
video aspect of it while we're doing the radio.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If people can watch what goes on during the.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Break, I think we could do that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You think you have a place where we could do that.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
We just hit go on the button.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I mean, it's this massive room we're in now with
all these cameras in it and everything else.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I don't know how it works, but we have people
who know how that works. They're great.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
We're talking about that range Ready Studios and gun Talk Media.
If you go to range Ready Studios, you'll see the
facility here shooting facility, but there's so much more to it.
There's offices, there's ed suites. Who've got full time editors here.
I got a whole team of very talented people and
an amazing physical facility. Honestly, I don't think there's ever
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been anything like this in our world, in the farm's world,
where it's a combination training facility and offices and content
creation center that is nothing short of world class.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You're to be congratulated, you did all this, and thanks.
You know, it's and it was so easy.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yes, what you want to do is you want to
buy an old slaughterhouse that's been abandoned for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then where you can see the sky through the roof.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, turn into your offices.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, nothing to that great vision.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Have we mentioned that the floor was kind of there
were it was all concrete, but some levels were higher
than others because they had to have big drains in
it where all the blood ran down and it poured
out of the place, so you had to fill in
all that kind.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, you got to.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Experience trying to give me PTSD.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You got to experience those three magic words, the most
expensive words there are, might as.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Well, yeah, well as well.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Hey, I felt like I was on one of those
renovation shows where they're like, you want to come see this.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
We opened up a wall and discovered something like oh.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
God, yeah, oh yeah, exactly right. So it's uh, you
know when we were doing our house after the fire,
and any given day I'd come back to the house
and the guy working on would do that finger crooked
things like boss, he says, uh, come over with Boss,
I need to show you something.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But yeah, this is not got to be good.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I like the one the day he said, yeah,
we found a snake inside your wall.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Okay, good, we had to rip.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Down when we went to break. We were talking about training, yes,
and the need for training, and I've kind of gotten
to a new place lately. We're always talking about the
need for training and all this and that, and sometimes
I realize that people don't know what the hell we're
talking about when we say you get some training, like, yeah, yeah,
I got my conceil carry, right, That's not what I'm
(25:04):
talking about. And I say, we offer training courses here,
and a lot of people who I know who are
gun owners say, oh, do you have conceial carry courses?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
No, we don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Training is a word without a real clear definition from
the people.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, we don't do that. So they go, what do
you mean? Because probably people, there's half of the people
listening to this know exactly what we're talking about, because
they've been listening to you for decades and talking about
gun site and all these you know, thunder Ranch and
all these places. But half of them like guns, own guns,
thinking about getting a gun, and they go, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here. What we're talking about
(25:39):
is let's let's go to the end result. The goal
is you can draw let's let's just talk about handguns
for a second. You can draw a handgun from a
holster in a short amount of time and hit a
target at a reasonable distance, accurately, consistently, And so that's
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what we're talking about. We're not talking about you learned
the laws and then you went out there and they go, everybody,
loads your magazine or load your gun, and all right,
we're gonna just shoot you. Just take your time, shoot
your ten shots, and then we're gonna move the target.
That's not what we're talking about, guys. We're talking about
winning the day. And that's kind of a little slogan
that we've started using internally, is is winning the day?
(26:23):
What that means winning a fight defensively, or it could
just mean for fun, like winning in a competition on
the weekend, shooting your guns, because guns can be for fun.
And I sometimes think that we forget about that part
of it.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Oh, it's so serious. So it's so sharo when you're
hitting this.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
We're in the back country for ELK and oh we
had I was on the streets of Detroit, Like, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Guns are fun, Yeah, shooting Okay, guys, that's why we
introduce people to it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yes, but back to the training part. I'm the gun guy.
You're the gun guy. You meet somebody at a barbecue
or whatever, they're like, oh, yeah, the gun guy. Oh
I got a question for you. What do you think
I was thinking about getting a gun. I was thinking
about what gun should I get? And I've indulged that
conversation a bunch and I've gotten to the point now
(27:10):
where I will tell someone it doesn't matter. What do
you mean, It doesn't matter, Like, it doesn't matter, I
don't care. Go buy a gun and then go get training,
because you know what, the best guitar players in the
world could pick up any guitar and play it. Eld
John can sit down at any piano at a freaking
(27:32):
honky talk and Tulsa, Oklahoma, and you'll go, Wow, that
guy's really good at piano.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It must be a great piano. Like, no, no, it's not.
I get the same thing with my photography. People say, oh, man,
it's a great picture. You must have a really good camera.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah. Yeah, well fifty years of being a professional photographer.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
That too, right, And there's that right. I mean, Chris
Soino is good at shooting guns. He's kind of a
just good at he picks.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Up times and he's a savant. He can do yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yes, and even his buddies would call him the human
ransom rest. He's just one of those guys that we
go Chris, is this gun on, we hand it to him.
You know it's shooting a little bit off. I mean
you can trust you know, when he pulls the trigger
and says it's a.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Little bit vice, it really is.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
People get so wrapped up in what gun should I
get like there's a wrong answer.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I mean, perhaps there are better guns.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And worship and it's a fun discussion, and it's a
fun discussion it is, But to your first it's an
unnecessary discussion and it actually diverts you from the important thing,
which is all guns shoot pretty darn well.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, and if you're bad at shooting any gun, a
four thousand dollars gun isn't going to make you a
better shooter.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, you'll just be missing more expensively.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
You'll look good doing it. You look good and.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Your buddies are going, wow, that's a really good gun. Cool.
He can't shoot for beans.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But you know, it's just like guys, you know, I look,
buying guns is fun. I like guns and guns can
also be I encourage that, and it can also be
why I'm not worried about that. I just like to
buy them, and I like the mechanical parts of them
and all that's cool.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
That's another way to enjoy guns.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
But as far as if they're asking me, and usually
this is the question, what gun should I buy for
protecting myself and my family? Yes, for home defense or
for concealed carry? And it's like, I mean, I could
give you.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I could think of forty different guns that are fine.
They're all equally fine as long as you go get training.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There were three of us in this room an hour
ago with one, two, three, four, five pistols.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
On us right.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
None of them were the same, and all of them
would work just fine because all those three people can
really shoot and know what they're doing. Yeah, to your point,
let's take a quick break here, because I want to
expand on this as we get back, and if people
have some thoughts on it, they can also haul way
into this. The point of all this is when it
comes to self defense. Now it's time to get serious
(30:05):
about this stuff. All this is fun and all that,
but oh, you want to actually save your life and
save the lives of your wife, your daughter, your children,
your husband.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know you want to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We got to cut through the bs and not have
to be perfectly nice anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We're going to tell you what really works, what you
need to know when we come back a little bit
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Speaker 2 (32:49):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm over here ATIM
on the road today Freightsure for the next two weeks
will be here at range Ready Studios down in Louisiana
range Ready Studios dot Com. We're visiting with Ryan Gresham,
the well he's the head guy over here, the guy
that runs that. He built it, he designed it, he
had the vision of it. And we're talking a little
bit about training, and we know you've heard me talk
(33:09):
about training for a long time, and I keep pushing it.
Not that I'm saying anybody should be required. We're not
talking about mandatory training, right.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
No, I mean people will ask that, and that comes
up when we've each state has these perminalists carry right, Really, wait,
you're not gonna have to have training to carry. I
mean my take is you shouldn't have to ask the
government permission to exercise or right. You should be able
to carry without a permit. You should not be required
(33:39):
to have training to exercise a right right now, you
should want to go get training because and you will want.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
To once you fully understand what we're talking about, which
it goes back to your point of people don't know
what you mean when you say the word training, where
people will say, well, i've been chooting on my life.
How many times you've ever heard that?
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Man, all the time, And it's like, oh, I shoot,
I shoot guns and it's okay you throw bullets into
a berm Okay, I have the target pretty good?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, what's pretty good?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And what's the target earth?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, okay, And I said, I
was actually on the show last week. I said, look,
let's just come up with a real quick test. A
nine inch paper plate. Okay, let's put it out there
at fifteen yards. That's not very far with your carry
gun whatever it is. Can you put all the shots
(34:35):
into a nine inch circle at fifteen yards?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Take your time? How much time you.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Want, Oh, as much time as you want. How much
times you want. Most people cannot, right, I will guarantee
you most people cannot. Now, let's put a little pressure
on you. Now, you've got five seconds to put five
shots in there. It's only one shot per second. That's slow, right, right,
real slow. Forget it ain't happening, right, that's what we're talking.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You got to do it in half that amount of time,
and the gun's going to go empty in the middle
of that. You need to reload your gun from the
magazine that you got on your belt.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
What And you also should not be standing still.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh that's right, that's right. You need to get off
the Actually you need to start moving one way or
the other.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
We throw some drills up there on our social gun Talk,
social range Ready studios socials, whether that's.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Facebook or Facebook x Instagram.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
And one of them that Chris has been challenging himself
with different guns on is what they call it the
five five five drill. So a five inch circle that's
the target at five yards in five seconds five shots.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, five inches five yard five shots.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Five seconds, five seconds. Five inches is kind of small.
Five yards feels pretty close fifteen feet.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It requires a lot of concentration, focus, and as I say,
it's easy to it's not hard to hit, but it's
easy to miss.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And I think the problem is we can throw out
drills and I'll caution you about going to instructors. There
are a lot of good instructors and good schools out there.
If you show up at one of these places and
you do a full day or two day or three
day class and all you do is run drills, and
they go, all right, we'll go loads of bags, let's
shoot another drill. Let's go loads of bags, go shoot
(36:21):
more drills. And the instructor never tells you how to
get better.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's not good, that's not training, that's just you're just shooting.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's just it's fun, you know, it's kind of supervised shooting.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's a high round count experience, that's what it is.
And a lot of people go, well, I had a
great time over there. Okay, great, great time, and that
could be fun.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
But you want somebody who's gonna critique you and go, hey,
you're taking too much time.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Shoot faster, right yeah, because if all your shots going
into one hole, you need to speed things up exactly,
because you know, I mean, I mean, I remember my wife,
your mom doing that at the class with Kay Mitchick.
She's doing a class, Pat shooting and k comes back
behind her and Pat is just drilling. She's hammering the
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littles eye out of this paper in case it that's
really good. Shoot faster basically.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Because a constructor is going to say, well that's a
pretty little group, but let's shoot faster and see if
you can still also have a pretty good group, right.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, because when it really goes down, you're going to
need to shoot faster. You are going to shoot faster
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And that's one of those things in the DPI class
that you guys are going to be doing next week.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I'm looking for diagnostic pistol instructor.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I mean, think about the name of diagnostic pistol instruct
We're actually going to be able to look at your
target and tell you what you're doing in your shooting
to make the target look like that, and then you
can pass that along to other people.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
You know, this idea of shooting faster.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's one of the things we saw when you created
the first person Fender show, when people drop in and
you know, they get attacked or something's going on, and
they shoot. First of all, we found they shoot all
the end they have in the gun. They the gun dry,
or or they shoot once.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Really they go boom, and then they put the gun
down and they look around like did I do good?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
You go, what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The guy is still coming at you. You still got
a knife.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
That's a that's a scar from too many movies and
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I think, oh boy, you know, and we really do,
whether you know it or not, we all have these
scars that are bad from watching TV and movies and
we think that's how it's done. And honestly, about half
of what you're doing in these classes is getting rid
of some of that noise. In there because you see
it on First Person Defender. And by the way, if
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you haven't watched First Person Defender, you got to go
watch it. There's actually some really good eye opening training
going on there in terms in terms of what you
should do, what you shouldn't do, and how you should
think about it.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I mean, and if anybody listening has good experiences bad
experiences with taking training classes, we'd love to hear from you,
call in.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, exactly right. So eight six six talk done or
Tom talk done. We're visiting with Ryan and we're we're
at rains Ready Studios. We've got a whole bunch of
cool guests lined up today. It's gonna be fun. I
hope you keep listening. All your buddies tell them to
tune in because we're having fun. You know what this
is Kun talk, Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
A few minutes.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
We're gonna be talking about accurate rifles. How do you
make a rifle accurate? Their secrets to it. We got
a guy who's gonna revealed maybe a couple of secrets.
They don't give away everything, you know that, right, It's
just the way it is. So we got Ryan Greshmir
Frank called in. He's in Carbon County, Montana. Frank, you
got a point to make here, dive in please?
Speaker 9 (39:38):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Two points.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
First of all, in the whole training aspect, when we
shoot or I shoot, I always ask my shooting partner
or partners to acknowledge that they see that chamber is empty.
Not a nod of the head, not a smile, but
do you see that chamber is empty?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yes? I do.
Speaker 13 (39:58):
And secondly, muscle memory, Well, when you go for the gun,
it has to be natural, it has to be part
of your hand and feel like an extension of the
of your body.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, Frank, I gotta go. Yes, But on this one, okay,
Because for the kind of training we're doing, we're running
hot ranges. Everybody's carrying a loaded gun everywhere all the time.
There's no unloaded guns anywhere. Every gun is loaded, every
gun is in a holster. So we're never showing an
empty chamber. We're never showing guns to other people. I
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think that's stuff that comes out of competition where they
artificially require people to show, you know, show unloaded and
you know, show clear and unloaded, and to do all
that kind of Mickey mouse stuff, which I guess is
necessary maybe on a competition.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
When you have a bunch of different shooters and you
have a bunch of you have to kind of do
it that way, right, But when we're running off a
hot range, isn't That's what we do, and that's what
a lot of people do, like a gun side or
rstig or whatever, and people are working out of the holsters.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
You can run with the guns.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Loaded holstered gun is a safe gun. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We also are telling people you can't handle your gun.
You can't be taking it out of your holster.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
No guns come out of the holsters until you're on
the line, you know, and then there's a time in
a way that you handle your firearms. It's just a
different mindset. And it's one of the things that I
found when we actually had some of our friends came
down here from Idaho with us and they were a
little bit uncomfortable with a loaded gun, with a loaded chamber,
all of that, And after two days of shooting it
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ranged ready with Chris and Rob Latham, they were completely
comfortable carrying a loaded gun, loaded chamber in the holster,
pulling it out and walk around with everybody. You just
have to be shown how to do it.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, you have to do it the right way. Frank,
do you mean pistol shooting? Is that what you guys
are doing.
Speaker 13 (41:54):
We were doing time drills and there were multiple people,
and then when we finished our run, we showed that
the chamber was empty and then reholstered.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, okay, in that situation, I see what you're doing,
and that works. You do have to tailor for the
situation and what you were doing there, Frank, makes makes
some sense. But Yeah, to your point of the gun
has to feel natural, like part of your hand. I
have always said you need when you put your hand
on that pistol and it comes out of your holster,
it should feel as comfortable to you as the stick
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shift in your car, which you never have to think
about handling.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
And also, Frank, you're right. I mean I was kind
of saying it doesn't matter. I mean, I guess what
I meant by it doesn't matter when people ask me
about which gun should it be? Is as long as
it's as long as it fits you, right, because I
think the people.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
Rely on me or their gun buddy. It's like, which
gun do you like?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Well, I really like glock or I really like m
and ps or whatever. That's cool, but you kind of
have to try out different things. The good part is
we have a lot of good guns. There's not a
lot of bad guns right out there, so you have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Good choices that gets weeded out.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
On the internet, people expose things that don't really work well,
and there are very few guns that are not good
in these days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It may not be my preference, and that's one of
the things that's great. If you can go to a
shooting range where you could rint several different guns and
try different guns, especially with an instructor, you can try
different ones to go, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
One just doesn't feel good to me, But that's.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
One over here.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I really like it, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And if it really works for you and it feels
good in your hands and you can shoot it, don't
listen to the internet noise out there.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
If you like it and then shoot, you shoot it, well,
go for it.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
That's really all it is.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
All right.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reloaded version. Welcome again to gun Talk on Tom Gresham.
I am your host. I am on the road again.
We are remote now, but you know it's going to
sound just fine because we're at Range Ready Studios. I'm
in the big TV studio here in the middle of
gun Talk Central down in Louisiana, about halfway between bat
(00:35):
Rouge and New Orleans. It's where we have our classes,
our experiences, all the new guns that are being introduced
here like crazy. A lot of manufacturers come down here
and they introduce the new products, a lot of fun stuff.
I'm going to be here for gosh, almost two weeks,
and I'm actually down here to take the class, the
Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that'll be we rre not this
(00:58):
coming week but the following week, so looking forward to that.
But in the meantime I'll be shooting a bunch of
guns and trying some different things and hanging out with
the guys from Gun Talks and we're having some fun. Basically,
we're just kind of shooting the breeves. We've got so
many things to talk about today, and of course we'd
like to welcome you to you know, come in and
you know, you can ask questions, you can throw out
your thoughts, you can disagree with us.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's always fun.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We love that and we're not disagreeable, but we can
disagree about things because you know, of course the six
or five creed works is worthless and bounces off of deer.
I love saying that. It just torks people off whenever
you do that. That is so much fun. We got
a lot of things going on today. Actually, I just
our co host just walked in here. We've got Ryan Gresham,
(01:40):
he is the head guy here at range Ready Studios
and gun Talks Central. Did you get everything worked out there?
That's the hit that button over there. There you go, Okay,
here we go, there you are.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, you know, it's it's kind of fun being here
on a Sunday trying to get some work done.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, you actually get more work done on Sunday when
there's nobody around here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's right, My best friends are going. I always going
to the office on weekends. That's when I get stuff done.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, that's right, because people quit bothering you.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, speaking of work, we've got a lot of things
going on, and one of the things we talk about
a lot around here is optics. And you know, you
could spend a ton of money on optics and generally
you kind of get what you pay for.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Accept at that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think that model may have changed and now you're
getting high level optics at reasonable prices and joining me
to talk about that right now. We brought in Trent
marsh for Right on Optics. Hey Trent, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Man, get duck you Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, you bet you got Ryan and me here, so
you know, you never know who you're going to be
talking to around here.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, Trent, get duck you to Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So first off, tell people about right on Optics. Where'd
you guys come from? Because there are people out there.
I know it probably drives you crazy people to go really,
I never heard of you guys?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Who are you? No?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I mean, that's you know, it's it's the kind of
the benefit of living in the glory age of all
things that go boom. As there's been a lot of
brands that have kind of come about in the last
you know, really two decades, especially where where the industry
is really kind of blown up and added some names
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to go along with the old guard and right been
around for about a decade now, and I'd quartered out
there in Tucson and just trying to provide another option,
another configuration for folks optics needs. So that's what we're
doing on a daily basis, is just bringing another option
to folks that are looking for those optic solutions.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I took your spotting scope, one of your spotting scopes
out to Deer Camp this year, and just because because
I'm just that kind of a guy, we put it
on a tripod and we left it outside. We didn't
never brought it into the tent. It snowed on it,
it rained on it. I mean, this was the camp
spotting scope to look around and see stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And it's small, and it's light, and.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's really slick, and it works really well and it
never had a hiccup. But I will say we did
find one thing. I got a bone to pick with
you on it.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It takes forever to I mean, it's a great lens cap.
It's a screwing lens cap. But man, when you want
to get that thing off on, hurry you're going screws screw.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh my god, he's going to get away five. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, I have said the same thing on multiple occasions. Yes,
the yep, there are there are some threads on there.
It's finding that balance between protection and accessibility, right, So that's.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I gotta figure it out. I've got a hack for you. You know,
you know, the snap on top for a pringles can. Yeah,
there you go, buddy. I don't know, we're going to
make it fit.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You're going around the whole grocery store and looking that
looks like a perfect cat exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You got you know, you got your spotting scope on
to your arm while you're walking around the grocery store
trying these plastic caps.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
That can of breadcrumbs looks perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's right, this guy, Oh my gosh. No, but it's
it's a really nice piece of glass. And I guess
that leads me to the question of and it's not
stupid expenses, So how do you guys do that?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
No, it's really not. You know that the optics on
that are great, but you know, it's tough. The thing
that impresses me about that spotting scope is the size,
coming in less than thirteen inches and weigh in less
than three pounds. That's that's just a fantastic piece. It's
one that honestly, I've on more than one occasion, I've
just thrown it on top of my range bag. It's
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you know, you always have that extra trip from the
vehicle to the spot on the range for everything else
that goes with so saving any of those is is great.
You know, it's we've we've spent a lot of time.
You know. Value is it's not a word I'd like
to use a lot because that that makes it sound like,
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you know, we're we're cheating something, or it's a it's
a it's a cheap option, and value doesn't necessarily have
to mean cheap. That's that's not what we're doing. You know,
with optics, it's like it's like anything else. Truthfully, last
couple decades, the way economies have opened up, in the
way product development has changed, and just the efficiency of
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bringing product to market has has brought the cost down
on so many things. You know, we're just coming out
of Black Friday. You can walk into Walmart and pick
up a TV that you know, ten years ago was
one thousand dollars TV, and now you can walk out
for two hundred bucks. And it's kind of the same thing.
Every everything evolves and everything gets more efficient, and it's
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with optics. You know, we've talked about it before that
you know. The misconception is that you know, right On
has a glass factory and insert every other brand has
their own glass factory. Well, it's like pickup trucks, or
it's like TVs, or it's like anything else, and so
many of our listeners are working, you know, in an
industry where you know, you start asking questions and well,
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the components themselves, you get far enough back in the
manufacturing process. There's only so many places that can manufacture
this stuff. So it's not it's not necessarily the materials
that are setting it apart. It is the specific constellation
of how those available materials are configured to be able
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to go to market in a way that you can
deliver most of what the consumer needs and find places
where maybe something that's not as important but that makes
it a significantly more expensive piece. If you can, if
you can maybe cut some of those things out where
it still does ninety to ninety five percent of what
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three quarters of the market needs it to do. You
may be able to bring a way more affordable option
to the market and find those opportunities to differentiate yourself
a little bit. And that's really what we focus on
trying to do is just always always keeping that performance aspect.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Inlay, Trent, we always say the last ten percent of
improvement costs one hundred percent more in everything.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
In everything does boats, playing, motorcycles, fishing lures. Trent, I'm
on your website and obviously you guys have scopes, red dots,
Buyo's spotting scopes. I'm looking at the five primal two
to twelve, which seems like a great kind of do
all type of scope. But is there anything in your
lineup that you personally like a lot or you feel
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like maybe it's kind of under the radar that people
ought to look at.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So, you know the because I'm in marketing, I'm gonna
give you the really long answer, right That's what I do.
But so much of right On's history has been on
the tactical and long range side and building out that
primal family with good options for hunters. Has been something
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that's been a bit of a focus. You know, I've
been here right out a year now and we've brought
several new new options in in that and that five
primal two to twelve IR is one of them. And
I you know, personally, I love that configuration. I am uh.
You know, I've been in and around optics for for
a long time, longer than I've been it right on,
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and so often people are worried about that top end magnification,
and it's top end magnification has value, but it can
cause you a lot more problems than it solves. And
especially in a hunting scenario, you've always got time to
turn the magnification up, but what you rarely have time
to do is turn it down for when he looks
right in on your lap, right. But that that lower
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end of the magnification range to me is so important.
So I've been an LPVO fan for a long time,
even for hunting applications, for that specific purpose, two to
twelve really gives you a wide range of magnification to
be able to you know, account for that up close
personal stuff, but also stretch it out. So that that's
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definitely one of my favorites, and I just I love
that centered out illumination radical, you know, especially for for.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I ar is illuminated redical, right, it is correct.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You know, so many of our cartridges anymore. You know,
Tom already took a swipe at the six five. Not
not that long ago, but so many. You know, even
if you go to the heavyweight stuff three oh eight,
so thirty six and even up into forty five seventies.
You know, the perception of how long your shot is
going to be always exceeds what it actually ends up being.
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I think the average shot on a white tail, which
is eighty percent of hunting in this country, is you know,
under one hundred yards, So that's your zero hold on
pretty much anything pretty close to three hundred yards out
of the box.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You're modern, but you know, I got to say that
anybody who's worried about I got to have a twenty
two you know power magnification for long shots. No you don't.
I mean you can make a four hundred yard shot
with a six x magnification with a twelve ends like this.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Two to twelve. You know, you got your two four.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That deer that jumps up at ten yards is running
off you can make that shot at twelve. You can
take any shot that you can reasonably take for hunting,
and you fill in the blank for whatever is you know,
well reasible to you.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The six to five need more. It can only shoot
out to kill stuff. Well, I mean, I'm teasing, but seriously,
there is a distance. Even if you can hit targets,
it doesn't have the energy, the foot pounds to actually
effectively kill games.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean, the people are using big magnums and they're
going way way out there. But for most people, if
you said, okay, five six hundred yards, twelve power is
plenty and then some. So again, going back to I'm
right there with you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
True, I've always loved the low power variables.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A two to six, you know, a two to five
is always great, But you did have quite enough on
the top end.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Two to twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Frankly, ten fifteen years ago was kind of unheard of
to have that kind of range.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Well, it's it's one of you know, the Again we
talk about how things get more efficient and more options
open up. For years and years and years, your only
magnification ranges were threes and fours. You know, you had
three to twelve, You had three to nine and you
had four to six teams. That's really only been in
the last couple of decades that you know, I've been
in the industry long enough that when Commit and Bender
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dropped that one to eight, the whole universe sat back
and said, holy cow, and eight times magnification system. And
now you know, pretty much everybody has a one to ten.
You know, everyone has a one to eight, and most
most companies have an option in a one to ten. So,
you know, you give some things up, and it is
a tougher optical system to manage, and there are certain
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you know, things you need to you know, be mindful
of in those situations. But yeah, it's just another one
of those situations is where take advantage of the things
that make sense. And for me, that kind of five
or six times optical system is really in the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Hey, one other we're going to have to scoot. Let
me just do this. I want to drive people to
your website. Right on optics is our it O in
our ital in optics, and they've got binoculars and red
dots and you know, dot scopes and spotting scopes and
rifle scopes. It's a complete line of optics with more
(13:29):
to come. I imagine that shot show. We're going to
see it even more.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Oh there there's always stuff in the works, absolutely, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, Trent, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We appreciate what you guys do bringing really good optics
at a reasonable price to the market for us.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
This is great.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Good talk to you, guys. Appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
See Trent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Take care all right? Eight six six talk gun or
Tom talk gun. We're open lines. If you got a
question for me or for Ryan. You want to talk
about range reading studios or the classes they're doing here.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Are anything else give me. We'll be right back with
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Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, Ypter, quit talk about guns, so we can start
talking about guns again. We've got Ryan Gresham from Range
Erding Studios and gun Talk Media over here. We're actually
in the big TV studio here at range Rady Studios,
which is great because he's got.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
The whole room.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's a massive room, all sound proof and everything. You
like it, We like it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You got what like depending on which way you point
the camera, you must have like six different sets in here.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know what's good? Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You know what's wild about this room is when you're
when you're building a TV studio, a video studio. I mean,
one of the big deals is sound, right, have to
have good sound in the room so it's not too echoy,
but you also want to keep sound out. And we're
on a highway. We're not talking to back, you know,
miles off the road. And then you've got rain that
can come in and all this stuff so we didn't.
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We put a lot of effort into making this a
sort of sound proof room. So, but we do have
the range ready range out back.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The shooting range.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's like one hundred yards out the back, maybe fifty
yards they're standing just outside the door here.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The loudest thing we do here is when we run
an ar class. I mean you have ten or fifteen
ars going off at.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
The same time. It's it's pretty loud.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And when you're in here, all you can hear with
the like the naked ear would be.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Does it come through microphones at all?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Doesn't?
Speaker 6 (17:48):
No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
We could be doing the show live right now and
have you know World War three going out out there.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, and you might describe what you had to do.
First of all, this room was a huge insulated room
because this was a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the walls here are like what twelve inches thick?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, maybe more than that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And you know, it's it's interesting and we've we've had experience,
I mean my background and yours playing music when I
was younger, playing in recording studios and then going to
do it all these TV studios in Alabama and New Orleans,
and Baton Rouge and all these places and looking at
what how they constructed their studios. So we actually tore well,
(18:26):
hurricane helped, but it tore part of the roof off,
and then we puts. We tore the rest of it off,
and then we kind of built back from there. We
built back better, if you will, and we sprayed it
with sound insulation, rubberized coating, and then you put in
sound batting and regular Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it's like, oh,
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this is for video.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, sure, there's a five X factor on that.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We'll sell you some some tape, a roll of tape.
This is one hundred dollars for the roll of tape.
It's called gaff tape.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's different, right, it's not duct tape tape. Yeah, shut
all right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, but you actually ended up building a room inside
of a room exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, you build a room inside of a room and
just extreme soundproofing.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
So it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And so of course this is part of the complex,
if you will. And then you were just last night
you were showing me some video you shot. You had
a local swat team doing some training in your shooethouse here.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, we have a part of the building was honestly
part of the building where we said, I don't know
what we're going to do with this part. You know,
people say we bought more building what we needed, but
then we turned it into a shootthouse.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
It's about a four thousand square foot shootthouse.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And so yeah, we have local SWAT teams come in
and they said, can we bring the canine in and
do some stuff?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So cool, as long as I get to film it.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So yeah, we I got to tag along, and it's
it's pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The canine known as a meat missile. Yes, oh, man,
like you turn them loose in your hauling fur missile.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
He was just so excited to tear apart the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh yeah, and the bad guy is he's playing the part.
He's screaming an awkwardse I think he would actually if
he had that dog all over you, you'd be screaming. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I can't I can't forget the the canine officer that
we had on the show many years ago. And I
don't know if this was on the air or off
the air, but he said, yeah, we had a guy
last week.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
He was under house.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
We're yelling at him, Hey man, come out, We're gonna
send the dog in. We know you're under there. Come out,
and the guy won't come out. He send the dog
in a and the dog comes back with an ear. No,
hey man, I told.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
You come out.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's right. You know you could save that ear. Just
what it is? You made bad choicesly cow. So they're
shooting sims inside, right.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Correct, not live fires.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So so sims simmunitions, paintball type stuff you do.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
On occasional classes and different events doing sims inside, and
you're doing other classes. But I wanted you to talk
about the well, tell you what we're going to run
into our break here just a second. When we come back,
I want to talk about the experiences because there are
a lot of places in the country where you can
go and take good classes, and we encourage people to
go somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Right, absolutely, get training. I don't care where it is.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We we we don't run enough classes to train everybody,
but everybody needs to get some training. And when we
say training, what we really mean is in an entire
day or an entire two or three days of dedicated
training that you will really improve and become a better shooter.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right, Yeah, not just a familiarization an actual training classes
where you're learning to shoot, learning to do things that
you've not done before, which is a lot of it.
But you know, so you've got you know, you know
classes here. But as you said, we encourage people to
go take classes and other places anywhere the gun Sight,
Thunder Ranch, sig Academy, somewhere. But at the same time,
you're doing a thing that you created. It's unique called
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the experiences where people get to come in and try
sometimes new things where they actually can't even talk about
the guns they got.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
The sweet and we have a bunch of them coming
up next year.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh okay, all right, when we come back, we'll talk
about that. Well, the ones you can talk about because
some of them are secret, sauce straight. That's fun stuff.
Eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We'll
get you in here on Tom Gresham. He's Ryan Gresham.
This is gun Talk. Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We
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hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Kee.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
If only we could just talk about guns a while.
Oh yeah, that's what we do. If you could listen
to the entire break. Sometimes we had to do that
right and just go okay, we're just gonna keep the
mics open, yeah, and just do the We'll do a
video aspect of it while we're doing the radio.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If people can watch what goes on during the.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Break, I think we could do that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You think you have a place where we could do that.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
We just hit go on the button.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I mean, it's this massive room we're in now with
all these cameras in it and everything else.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I don't know how it works, but we have people
who know how that works. They're great.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
We're talking about that range Ready Studios and gun Talk Media.
If you go to range Ready Studios, you'll see the
facility here shooting facility, but there's so much more to it.
There's offices, there's ed suites. Who've got full time editors here.
I got a whole team of very talented people and
an amazing physical facility. Honestly, I don't think there's ever
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been anything like this in our world, in the farm's world,
where it's a combination training facility and offices and content
creation center that is nothing short of world class.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You're to be congratulated, you did all this, and thanks.
You know, it's and it was so easy.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yes, what you want to do is you want to
buy an old slaughterhouse that's been abandoned for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then where you can see the sky through the roof.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, turn into your offices.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, nothing to that great vision.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Have we mentioned that the floor was kind of there
were it was all concrete, but some levels were higher
than others because they had to have big drains in
it where all the blood ran down and it poured
out of the place, so you had to fill in
all that kind.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, you got to.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Experience trying to give me PTSD.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You got to experience those three magic words, the most
expensive words there are, might as.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Well, yeah, well as well.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Hey, I felt like I was on one of those
renovation shows where they're like, you want to come see this.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
We opened up a wall and discovered something like oh.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
God, yeah, oh yeah, exactly right. So it's uh, you
know when we were doing our house after the fire,
and any given day I'd come back to the house
and the guy working on would do that finger crooked
things like boss, he says, uh, come over with Boss,
I need to show you something.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But yeah, this is not got to be good.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I like the one the day he said, yeah,
we found a snake inside your wall.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Okay, good, we had to rip.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Down when we went to break. We were talking about training, yes,
and the need for training, and I've kind of gotten
to a new place lately. We're always talking about the
need for training and all this and that, and sometimes
I realize that people don't know what the hell we're
talking about when we say you get some training, like, yeah, yeah,
I got my conceil carry, right, That's not what I'm
(25:04):
talking about. And I say, we offer training courses here,
and a lot of people who I know who are
gun owners say, oh, do you have conceial carry courses?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
No, we don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Training is a word without a real clear definition from
the people.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, we don't do that. So they go, what do
you mean? Because probably people, there's half of the people
listening to this know exactly what we're talking about, because
they've been listening to you for decades and talking about
gun site and all these you know, thunder Ranch and
all these places. But half of them like guns, own guns,
thinking about getting a gun, and they go, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here. What we're talking about
(25:39):
is let's let's go to the end result. The goal
is you can draw let's let's just talk about handguns
for a second. You can draw a handgun from a
holster in a short amount of time and hit a
target at a reasonable distance, accurately, consistently, And so that's
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what we're talking about. We're not talking about you learned
the laws and then you went out there and they go, everybody,
loads your magazine or load your gun, and all right,
we're gonna just shoot you. Just take your time, shoot
your ten shots, and then we're gonna move the target.
That's not what we're talking about, guys. We're talking about
winning the day. And that's kind of a little slogan
that we've started using internally, is is winning the day?
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What that means winning a fight defensively, or it could
just mean for fun, like winning in a competition on
the weekend, shooting your guns, because guns can be for fun.
And I sometimes think that we forget about that part
of it.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Oh, it's so serious. So it's so sharo when you're
hitting this.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
We're in the back country for ELK and oh we
had I was on the streets of Detroit, Like, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Guns are fun, Yeah, shooting Okay, guys, that's why we
introduce people to it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yes, but back to the training part. I'm the gun guy.
You're the gun guy. You meet somebody at a barbecue
or whatever, they're like, oh, yeah, the gun guy. Oh
I got a question for you. What do you think
I was thinking about getting a gun. I was thinking
about what gun should I get? And I've indulged that
conversation a bunch and I've gotten to the point now
(27:10):
where I will tell someone it doesn't matter. What do
you mean, It doesn't matter, Like, it doesn't matter, I
don't care. Go buy a gun and then go get training,
because you know what, the best guitar players in the
world could pick up any guitar and play it. Eld
John can sit down at any piano at a freaking
(27:32):
honky talk and Tulsa, Oklahoma, and you'll go, Wow, that
guy's really good at piano.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It must be a great piano. Like, no, no, it's not.
I get the same thing with my photography. People say, oh, man,
it's a great picture. You must have a really good camera.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah. Yeah, well fifty years of being a professional photographer.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
That too, right, And there's that right. I mean, Chris
Soino is good at shooting guns. He's kind of a
just good at he picks.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Up times and he's a savant. He can do yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yes, and even his buddies would call him the human
ransom rest. He's just one of those guys that we
go Chris, is this gun on, we hand it to him.
You know it's shooting a little bit off. I mean
you can trust you know, when he pulls the trigger
and says it's a.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Little bit vice, it really is.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
People get so wrapped up in what gun should I
get like there's a wrong answer.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I mean, perhaps there are better guns.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And worship and it's a fun discussion, and it's a
fun discussion it is, But to your first it's an
unnecessary discussion and it actually diverts you from the important thing,
which is all guns shoot pretty darn well.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, and if you're bad at shooting any gun, a
four thousand dollars gun isn't going to make you a
better shooter.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, you'll just be missing more expensively.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
You'll look good doing it. You look good and.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Your buddies are going, wow, that's a really good gun. Cool.
He can't shoot for beans.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But you know, it's just like guys, you know, I look,
buying guns is fun. I like guns and guns can
also be I encourage that, and it can also be
why I'm not worried about that. I just like to
buy them, and I like the mechanical parts of them
and all that's cool.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
That's another way to enjoy guns.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
But as far as if they're asking me, and usually
this is the question, what gun should I buy for
protecting myself and my family? Yes, for home defense or
for concealed carry? And it's like, I mean, I could
give you.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I could think of forty different guns that are fine.
They're all equally fine as long as you go get training.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There were three of us in this room an hour
ago with one, two, three, four, five pistols.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
On us right.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
None of them were the same, and all of them
would work just fine because all those three people can
really shoot and know what they're doing. Yeah, to your point,
let's take a quick break here, because I want to
expand on this as we get back, and if people
have some thoughts on it, they can also haul way
into this. The point of all this is when it
comes to self defense. Now it's time to get serious
(30:05):
about this stuff. All this is fun and all that,
but oh, you want to actually save your life and
save the lives of your wife, your daughter, your children,
your husband.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know you want to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We got to cut through the bs and not have
to be perfectly nice anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We're going to tell you what really works, what you
need to know when we come back a little bit
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Speaker 2 (32:49):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm over here ATIM
on the road today Freightsure for the next two weeks
will be here at range Ready Studios down in Louisiana
range Ready Studios dot Com. We're visiting with Ryan Gresham,
the well he's the head guy over here, the guy
that runs that. He built it, he designed it, he
had the vision of it. And we're talking a little
bit about training, and we know you've heard me talk
(33:09):
about training for a long time, and I keep pushing it.
Not that I'm saying anybody should be required. We're not
talking about mandatory training, right.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
No, I mean people will ask that, and that comes
up when we've each state has these perminalists carry right, Really, wait,
you're not gonna have to have training to carry. I
mean my take is you shouldn't have to ask the
government permission to exercise or right. You should be able
to carry without a permit. You should not be required
(33:39):
to have training to exercise a right right now, you
should want to go get training because and you will want.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
To once you fully understand what we're talking about, which
it goes back to your point of people don't know
what you mean when you say the word training, where
people will say, well, i've been chooting on my life.
How many times you've ever heard that?
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Man, all the time, And it's like, oh, I shoot,
I shoot guns and it's okay you throw bullets into
a berm Okay, I have the target pretty good?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, what's pretty good?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And what's the target earth?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, okay, And I said, I
was actually on the show last week. I said, look,
let's just come up with a real quick test. A
nine inch paper plate. Okay, let's put it out there
at fifteen yards. That's not very far with your carry
gun whatever it is. Can you put all the shots
(34:35):
into a nine inch circle at fifteen yards?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Take your time? How much time you.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Want, Oh, as much time as you want. How much
times you want. Most people cannot, right, I will guarantee
you most people cannot. Now, let's put a little pressure
on you. Now, you've got five seconds to put five
shots in there. It's only one shot per second. That's slow, right, right,
real slow. Forget it ain't happening, right, that's what we're talking.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You got to do it in half that amount of time,
and the gun's going to go empty in the middle
of that. You need to reload your gun from the
magazine that you got on your belt.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
What And you also should not be standing still.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh that's right, that's right. You need to get off
the Actually you need to start moving one way or
the other.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
We throw some drills up there on our social gun Talk,
social range Ready studios socials, whether that's.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Facebook or Facebook x Instagram.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
And one of them that Chris has been challenging himself
with different guns on is what they call it the
five five five drill. So a five inch circle that's
the target at five yards in five seconds five shots.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, five inches five yard five shots.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Five seconds, five seconds. Five inches is kind of small.
Five yards feels pretty close fifteen feet.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It requires a lot of concentration, focus, and as I say,
it's easy to it's not hard to hit, but it's
easy to miss.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And I think the problem is we can throw out
drills and I'll caution you about going to instructors. There
are a lot of good instructors and good schools out there.
If you show up at one of these places and
you do a full day or two day or three
day class and all you do is run drills, and
they go, all right, we'll go loads of bags, let's
shoot another drill. Let's go loads of bags, go shoot
(36:21):
more drills. And the instructor never tells you how to
get better.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's not good, that's not training, that's just you're just shooting.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's just it's fun, you know, it's kind of supervised shooting.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's a high round count experience, that's what it is.
And a lot of people go, well, I had a
great time over there. Okay, great, great time, and that
could be fun.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
But you want somebody who's gonna critique you and go, hey,
you're taking too much time.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Shoot faster, right yeah, because if all your shots going
into one hole, you need to speed things up exactly,
because you know, I mean, I mean, I remember my wife,
your mom doing that at the class with Kay Mitchick.
She's doing a class, Pat shooting and k comes back
behind her and Pat is just drilling. She's hammering the
(37:06):
littles eye out of this paper in case it that's
really good. Shoot faster basically.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Because a constructor is going to say, well that's a
pretty little group, but let's shoot faster and see if
you can still also have a pretty good group, right.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, because when it really goes down, you're going to
need to shoot faster. You are going to shoot faster
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And that's one of those things in the DPI class
that you guys are going to be doing next week.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I'm looking for diagnostic pistol instructor.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I mean, think about the name of diagnostic pistol instruct
We're actually going to be able to look at your
target and tell you what you're doing in your shooting
to make the target look like that, and then you
can pass that along to other people.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
You know, this idea of shooting faster.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's one of the things we saw when you created
the first person Fender show, when people drop in and
you know, they get attacked or something's going on, and
they shoot. First of all, we found they shoot all
the end they have in the gun. They the gun dry,
or or they shoot once.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Really they go boom, and then they put the gun
down and they look around like did I do good?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
You go, what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The guy is still coming at you. You still got
a knife.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
That's a that's a scar from too many movies and
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I think, oh boy, you know, and we really do,
whether you know it or not, we all have these
scars that are bad from watching TV and movies and
we think that's how it's done. And honestly, about half
of what you're doing in these classes is getting rid
of some of that noise. In there because you see
it on First Person Defender. And by the way, if
(38:37):
you haven't watched First Person Defender, you got to go
watch it. There's actually some really good eye opening training
going on there in terms in terms of what you
should do, what you shouldn't do, and how you should
think about it.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I mean, and if anybody listening has good experiences bad
experiences with taking training classes, we'd love to hear from you,
call in.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, exactly right. So eight six six talk done or
Tom talk done. We're visiting with Ryan and we're we're
at rains Ready Studios. We've got a whole bunch of
cool guests lined up today. It's gonna be fun. I
hope you keep listening. All your buddies tell them to
tune in because we're having fun. You know what this
is Kun talk, Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
A few minutes.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
We're gonna be talking about accurate rifles. How do you
make a rifle accurate? Their secrets to it. We got
a guy who's gonna revealed maybe a couple of secrets.
They don't give away everything, you know that, right, It's
just the way it is. So we got Ryan Greshmir
Frank called in. He's in Carbon County, Montana. Frank, you
got a point to make here, dive in please?
Speaker 9 (39:38):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Two points.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
First of all, in the whole training aspect, when we
shoot or I shoot, I always ask my shooting partner
or partners to acknowledge that they see that chamber is empty.
Not a nod of the head, not a smile, but
do you see that chamber is empty?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yes? I do.
Speaker 13 (39:58):
And secondly, muscle memory, Well, when you go for the gun,
it has to be natural, it has to be part
of your hand and feel like an extension of the
of your body.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, Frank, I gotta go. Yes, But on this one, okay,
Because for the kind of training we're doing, we're running
hot ranges. Everybody's carrying a loaded gun everywhere all the time.
There's no unloaded guns anywhere. Every gun is loaded, every
gun is in a holster. So we're never showing an
empty chamber. We're never showing guns to other people. I
(40:32):
think that's stuff that comes out of competition where they
artificially require people to show, you know, show unloaded and
you know, show clear and unloaded, and to do all
that kind of Mickey mouse stuff, which I guess is
necessary maybe on a competition.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
When you have a bunch of different shooters and you
have a bunch of you have to kind of do
it that way, right, But when we're running off a
hot range, isn't That's what we do, and that's what
a lot of people do, like a gun side or
rstig or whatever, and people are working out of the holsters.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
You can run with the guns.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Loaded holstered gun is a safe gun. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We also are telling people you can't handle your gun.
You can't be taking it out of your holster.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
No guns come out of the holsters until you're on
the line, you know, and then there's a time in
a way that you handle your firearms. It's just a
different mindset. And it's one of the things that I
found when we actually had some of our friends came
down here from Idaho with us and they were a
little bit uncomfortable with a loaded gun, with a loaded chamber,
all of that, And after two days of shooting it
(41:34):
ranged ready with Chris and Rob Latham, they were completely
comfortable carrying a loaded gun, loaded chamber in the holster,
pulling it out and walk around with everybody. You just
have to be shown how to do it.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, you have to do it the right way. Frank,
do you mean pistol shooting? Is that what you guys
are doing.
Speaker 13 (41:54):
We were doing time drills and there were multiple people,
and then when we finished our run, we showed that
the chamber was empty and then reholstered.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, okay, in that situation, I see what you're doing,
and that works. You do have to tailor for the
situation and what you were doing there, Frank, makes makes
some sense. But Yeah, to your point of the gun
has to feel natural, like part of your hand. I
have always said you need when you put your hand
on that pistol and it comes out of your holster,
it should feel as comfortable to you as the stick
(42:27):
shift in your car, which you never have to think
about handling.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
And also, Frank, you're right. I mean I was kind
of saying it doesn't matter. I mean, I guess what
I meant by it doesn't matter when people ask me
about which gun should it be? Is as long as
it's as long as it fits you, right, because I
think the people.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
Rely on me or their gun buddy. It's like, which
gun do you like?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Well, I really like glock or I really like m
and ps or whatever. That's cool, but you kind of
have to try out different things. The good part is
we have a lot of good guns. There's not a
lot of bad guns right out there, so you have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Good choices that gets weeded out.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
On the internet, people expose things that don't really work well,
and there are very few guns that are not good
in these days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It may not be my preference, and that's one of
the things that's great. If you can go to a
shooting range where you could rint several different guns and
try different guns, especially with an instructor, you can try
different ones to go, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
One just doesn't feel good to me, But that's.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
One over here.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I really like it, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
And if it really works for you and it feels
good in your hands and you can shoot it, don't
listen to the internet noise out there.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
If you like it and then shoot, you shoot it, well,
go for it.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
That's really all it is.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
All right.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
When we come back, we're gonna talk about rifles, making
them shoot better. There are some secrets also, maybe some
behind the scenes secrets to the bill Box Studio that
Ryan you're shooting over here, you're making some crazy guns,
maybe even some maniacal guns.
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