February 2, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
SHOT SHOW 2025 from the Ruger Booth.
-- Ruger's outgoing CEO Chris Kiloy and Incoming CEO Todd Seyfert talk about the company and its legacy.
-- Once again Hornady brings out an innovative cartridge -- the .338 ARC. Seth Swerczek explains what it is and who can best use it.
-- 3-D printing an innovative and advanced silencer. Tasson Nique reveals the brand-new Dead Air Mojave 45 and the refresh of the Sandman X.
Gun Talk 02.02.25 Hour 1
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SHOT SHOW 2025 from the Ruger Booth.
-- Ruger's outgoing CEO Chris Kiloy and Incoming CEO Todd Seyfert talk about the company and its legacy.
-- Once again Hornady brings out an innovative cartridge -- the .338 ARC. Seth Swerczek explains what it is and who can best use it.
-- 3-D printing an innovative and advanced silencer. Tasson Nique reveals the brand-new Dead Air Mojave 45 and the refresh of the Sandman X.
Gun Talk 02.02.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
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Speaker 4 (00:14):
Okay they believe it. I'm still at the Shot Show.
They won't let me leave here. It's just an amazing thing.
So yes, yes, yes, of course this is recorded. And
by the way, welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham.
We talk about guns here. If you don't like guns,
that's okay. You hang around, we have fun. You'll like it.
I guarantee you're gonna like it. And if you really
hate guns, you're gonna learn something around here. So that's
(00:34):
simple as that. Shot Show is the Shooting Hunting an
outdoor trade show. It's put on by the National Shooting
Sports Foundation. It is the official trade show of the
firearms industry. So you got guns and AMMO and optics,
everything that goes with all of that. It's all being
shown in nine hundred and fifty thousand square feet of whatever.
This thing is huge in Las Vegas, and we're actually
(00:56):
having to record this ahead of time because the show
is held in the middle of the week, not on
a Sunday where we could do it live.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So that's the deal.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So all that to say is you cannot call in
and ask questions, are contribute right now. That's okay because
we've got a great lineup of people who are going
to be telling us what's going on in the industry.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We are in the Ruger booth.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
The good folks at Ruger host us regularly and we
appreciate that very much. And we are joined right now
by I don't know if you say the incoming and outgoing,
but we've got Chris Colloi, who is the current CEO
and president of Ruger, and we've got Todd Seaffert, who
will be that Todd in a couple of months March first.
March first, okay, And Chris, you've been here for almost
(01:36):
twenty years, I believe it is.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
I first came to Ruber in two thousand and three,
left briefly in five, and came back in six and
been been fortunate to be here ever since. He was
president in twenty fourteen and CEO since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Amazing, amazing, a lot of fun and you have seen
so many changes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean in the.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Industry, but also at Ruger right, right, you know, I
mean honestly, a lot of the products that you got
have come out with over the last twenty years are
crazy innovative, and honestly the company doesn't look the same.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
As it did two decades ago.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
No, it's radically different. I mean, we've got a lot
of new products. Our focus is really on new products.
We still got some of the great legacy products like
ten twenty two's right, many fourteens, some single act revolvers.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But we've got some great things.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
We started back, you know, almost twenty years ago, probably
fifteen years ago with the LCP, then the Security series
of pistols, and most recently the RXm or collaboration with Magpole.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That thing's amazing.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That is an affordable pistol that punches way above its
weight class.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It is a shooter.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I mean, first time I took it out, I went, okay,
it's another semi automatic pistol, you know how it is.
It's another semi automator. And then you're shoot and you're going, wait, man,
this thing is nice. It's got good sites, it's got
an incredibly good trigger. I mean, the triggers just keep
getting better and better, and of course, you know it
takes the gep. I love that jeepattern Mags, which is
(03:02):
like everybody's gotten home bag full of those somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Right right exactly.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
And you know, and we had a great, great experience
working with the folks at Magpool. They are so exciting
to work with, the great engineering team, great marketing team,
and we just had a lot of fun with our guys.
We both learned about having to do these joint projects.
They're not always easy, but they're great, great to work with.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
They also have two companies with their own culture, and
you have to find a way for everybody to work
together and get the egos out of the way, you know.
And I know you can't say anything about this, and
I don't know anything about this because your public are traded,
but this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Can't be the last time you guys work together.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And actually we've got stuff in the on the drawing
board now and we've done a lot more with them
on the Moe stocks. We've done Marlon stocks, ten twenty
two stocks they've got. They've got a great pipeline of
ideas as we have a great pipeline of guns, and
so we've included them joined at the hip and a
lot of our product planning sessions to really make sure
working together, they know what we're working on.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
They tell us what they're working on.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So, yeah, Todd, you're coming into this incredible company here,
and one of the things you know, looking back at
who Ruger is and the people there, and I think
you could at least comment on this is one of
the things from my perspective from looking on the outside end,
is that you've got people in this company that have
a passion for what they do. It's not like it's
(04:23):
a job I'm going to go to work, No, man,
I love what I do here.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's that's probably the greatest gift, And
it's the most humbling thing about coming in and joining
a company like Ruger. The legacy that Ruger has in
the industry, the stature of Ruger, the brand name, the
quality product, but more importantly, the people.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
It's all about the people.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Right anywhere we've ever been, it's always about the character
and the quality of the people.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And so to any where you've ever been, you're not
a newcomer in this understand you might give a little
bit of your background.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Absolutely. You know, I'm not a newcomer like Chris.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
I've been in the industry since really officially since nineteen
ninety five. Wasn't long after that actually met Chris and
so we did business together when he was at Smith
and Wesson.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I was at Michaels of Oregon.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Right, selling some some grips for Jay frames, Ohoking and so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
So this is a small industry. Everybody knows everybody, and.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
We all move around, but stay inside the industry exactly.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Yeah, And it's hard because if you're passionate, if you're
if you're into the industry, it's.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
It's hard to leave, right.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
And we're blessed Chris and I both to be able
to be in the industry that happens to be.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Also a passion in a hobby.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So right right, I talk about that, and I know
people who are not in it go, yeah, yeah, that's no.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It really is true.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
People have this passion and you see the same people
at shot show, but they may not be with the
same company, correct, But they're not going to leave the industry, right.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
No, exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
You know and talk about long tenured employees.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
You know Newport, New Hampshire where we make a lot
of all of our single actions double actual revolvers. Average
employee up there has been with us twenty two years.
The average that's the average for our plant in New
Hampshire is twenty two years, which is crazy, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, it's also a gold mine of experience, it really is.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
You got you've got great experienced folks.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Uh heck right, our little headquarters building, we've got three
fifty year employees.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
So we've got some we can't get them out.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Of there, you can't, and they're great, they're great people,
and I wouldn't want to get them out of there.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, the institutional knowledge there of you know, not only
how things are done now, but yeah we try you
get the new people coming and say we should do this. Yeah,
we tried that back thirty years ago. Let me tell
you what happened back then. Right, How else are you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Going to know that kind of stuff?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, you want to want you always want the new,
You always want that blend of experience. And then you always, uh,
you always want to listen to the folks who you know,
they know more than you and so they've got great knowledge.
You want to make sure you're uh, you listen as
they say, that's why God gave us two ears in
one mouth.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So all right, Chris, I know you're not leaving Ruger.
You're still going to be on the board, You're going
to be involved. But what are you going to be
doing for fun?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Well, one of the things I'll be able to do
is spend a little more time fishing. I love to
fish with my kids, also.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Love to shoot.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I hope to actually improve my shooting skills because I
had a I had an eye injury on my left eye.
I used to be left eye dominant, and so now
I'm right I dominant. I've gonna I'm gonna go out
and go start practicing that. Okay, So I'm looking forward
to that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Of course, everybody thinks that if you're in the firearms industry,
you shoot all the time, right right right? If really
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Well, and a lot of times you're doing things like
it might be doing a test of a new product,
test of a competitive product. It's not just going out
and shooting as much as you would to have fun with.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It, right right, No, exactly right, It's just kind of like, yeah,
and you go out and you shoot a few dozen rounds.
It's not like you go spend an afternoon shooting right
like you would if your recreations right right right, So,
but but at least Todd, you're gonna be able to
have access to a lot of cool guns.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Absolutely, you know, as a as a user and a
and a hunter and a shooter. Just the amount of
categories that Ruger covers, it's phenomenal. So no matter what
you want to do, whether it's the hunting side or
the blinking side, the target side, the long grange side,
the pistol side off.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
They got everything, all of it. It's all here.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, really, so.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
I will be uh, I've already talked to my wife
and and broken the news that there's probably another gun
safe coming to the house fairly fairly soon.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So so all right, we're not gonna spill the beans here.
But you know, there's a history of Ruger making automobiles,
so I'm thinking we're going to push you guys into
the car buisiness.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
I actually I actually talked to one of one of
the fellas that worked on one of the Ruber audibly
really built rub Junior back in the day and telling
me the story about working on the brake system.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I was fascinating. What do you make too? I think
too you make cars? Yeah, there were actually a Ruger automobile.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, to talk about the esoteric stuff that we know
from hanging around for a.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
While, I don't think we'll be doing any new Ruber cars.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man, shoot, I thought we're gonna break them in right here.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well, you know, and obviously you got all sorts of
new things here and people can go to the website
and find out what's going on one of the things,
and you can talk about this for just a second.
That you've been able to do, honestly, and you should
be able to get credit for this. Is that now
when Ruger introduces a product, people can actually get the product.
I mean, you don't announce it until it's available in stores, right.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
We learned over the years, and we were probably the
worst offender. I mean you think about the well the
gold label shotgun. I mean, I think we're a gun
of the year for three years before we shot it
or actually shipped anything. So you know, but like with
the RXm, we had a very very high number at retail,
so it wasn't just shipped in a distribution is that
retail big box stores as well as key retailers that
(09:57):
we partnered with and made sure they had it available.
So when it went live and went live in a
big way, folks actually had inventory available at the at
the store level.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well that's a big deal because you tell people about it,
they're excited about they want to go get their hands
on it, and then you tell them, Mariya that it's
got to be six months right right, And we'd laugh
about that now, but that's kind of the way it was.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It was, and I think you know, we first started
to change that with guns like the s R nine
way back when, and right we've tried to live up
to that.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yes. R nine, Man, what a great pistol.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That is a good, good pistol, It really is.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
We don't currently have it in the lineup, but that
was a great pistol, a big departure for the P series, yes,
which a lot of people love the P series as well.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I mean, that's that's one of those super durable, a
little bit a little bit bulky, a little heavy, but.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, but you know, but but things evolved, but the
nine s R nine was a pretty big jump in
terms of now we've got a thin grip, and that
kind of got you set up for the next generation
of guns to come out. I mean everything you come
out with bills upon what went before.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Right, and you know where the market is is at
that time, because you know, you go here, you walk
the floors of this show, and the competition is tremendous,
and the ideas.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
There's a lot of great stuff, great stuff, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I hadn't thought about that, but from your standpoint, it's like, Wow,
we got to not only do we have to keep up,
we got to get ahead of this thing.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
We absolutely it's constant challenge.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And we've got a lot of our engineering team here,
our supply chain folks, UH engineers in particular, that you're
going to see what's out there getting ideas.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
One of the things that a lot of people don't
know about.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
A supplier showcase. The first you know, day one or
day zero and day one of the shot show. It's
just suppliers to firearms companies that are in a separate,
separate area of the show. And so all of our
procurement people are up there visiting their vendors and their supply.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Their suppliers got you, okay, So how far out do
you plan? I mean, is it like like a year
or two or is there such a thing as a
five year plan?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Or is that ridiculous?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, in terms of new guns, we try it's you know,
we'd always like it to be shorter the budgeted time.
I remember one time, one shot show a few years ago,
we had three big new product introductions. I forget what
it was, and somebody said, wow, that was great.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
How'd you do that?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I said, one was late, one was really late, and
one was ungodly late, and.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
They all came together. So we have to.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
One of the Todd's challenges will be trying to speed
up that new product cycle because the other thing we're
seeing is the run time or the dwell time that
you have with a new product is significantly shorter than
it used to be.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So we need to have a constant stream of new
products coming.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Wow, uh, let me do this. I got to reach
over and look at this for a second. Okay, yeah,
because I was thinking that's so weird. I'm looking at
my clock here thinking it's just kind of stopped, and
we're going to have to I have to move on
to our next folks who are coming in. Todd as
you as we head forward here, I mean you start
(12:51):
in March our first, Yeah, ye okay, you got plans
for us. You're gonna be able to talk about stuff
once you come in.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
I will be able to visit you after the fact
and talk about kind of the path forward.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Tom, let's get together in Ora show. That would be great,
and that'd be a perfect time for that.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Absolutely, I'd look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Gentlemen, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I appreciate Chris enjoyed worked with you so much through
the years. You've always taken care of us and you're
just a real gentleman.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Thank you, Tom. And likewise, you've always been so good
to us. And it's a lot of fun. It's a
lot great industry and you're one of the guys that
make it fun.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Thank you so much. All right, don't go far gun talk,
I'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (15:55):
All right, well back with you. We're at the Rooker
Booth here. You're at the Shot Show in Las Vegas, Nevada.
And know you cannot call in because we're having to
record this ahead of time because the Shot Show is
not held over a weekend, so we're doing this in
the middle of the week and you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Hear it later.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's okay, because there's enough new stuff and cool stuff
here for us to talk about that we can cover
this without any problem.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
At all.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Now we're joined right now by Seth Swerzeck from Hornity.
Seth you got, I mean, Horny has set the world
on fire for the last twenty years, honestly, with some
not just making bullets or making ammo, but coming up
with a whole line of really cool cartridges that every
(16:35):
time tell me if this is true, every time you
come out with one and you announce it the people
on the internet, so there's no there's no need for that.
Why would they do that? That's a stupid idea. And
you go and now it becomes the six ' five
creed More or the PRC and you going, oh, but
(16:56):
it takes a while for people to understand what you
guys are up to because you're so far ahead of
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You know, it can be like that.
Speaker 13 (17:02):
You know, I appreciate the kind words, Tom, but it
does seem like the more cartridges we release, the quicker
they get adopted. And I feel like that all started,
you know, back with the seventeen hm R and the
two of four Ruger and then the six y five
creed More great cartridge. It sat there and smoldered for
several years with really not that much commercial success, and
(17:24):
then it was like a match to a dry hay bale.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It took off and.
Speaker 13 (17:28):
Since the six y five creed More and it's you know,
it was Samy approved and released in two thousand and eight.
About twenty fifteen is the time where if Hornety comes
out with the cartridge, we're going to involve the industry
and we're going to advance the industry forward. And yeah,
you always release a new cartridge and you hear the
same you know, it's nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, nobody needs to it.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
What do they call it? A solution in search of
a problem? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 13 (17:54):
But the funny part is they'll say that and then
they'll go buy one, because it's just they do solve problem.
And it might take some time for people to understand
the nuance. But I really think working at Hornity, the
innovation that we do inside those four walls is really
what sets our brand apart.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well to that point is, yes, there is. If you're
a reloader and you reload to seventy Winchester and I
do you go, Okay, there's nothing new here. We've been
doing this for one hundred years. Yeah, that's true, except
that there actually is science involved and the new or
newest generation of cartridges actually utilize science that makes cartridges better,
(18:38):
more accurate, sometimes more powerful. But there's just a there,
really are and it's hard for me as the older
guy who's been shooting all this stuff and you know,
give me my thirty out six kind of a deal.
Absolutely look at it and you go, man, the seven
PRC and three hundred PRC really are that much better
they I mean, the tolerancers are tighter, the bliss are better,
(19:00):
the shoulder angle. It's like you got like mad scientists
back there.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (19:05):
Well, I got to take part in some of that
development in my previous employment at Hornby before I moved
over to marketing. And we're not mad scientists. What we
are are passionate users of the product. And I really
think that's what drives the innovation is within those four walls.
In our ballistics development group, you have guys that are
avid competitors, and that's three gun USPSA PRS, NRL, Hunter,
(19:27):
F Class, Benchest. We have passionate competitors. And then the
whole company. Because we're in central Nebraska, you know, we
go to work, we play football, we wrestle, and we shoot.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, and we shoot and go hunting.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
That's what we do in that state, right, So you
have this huge group of passionate hunters as well, and
when you're coming to work, it's so exciting to think
about what's the new frontier, what can how can I
change this?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And you get excited about that.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
And so it's easy to develop new products that are
useful because you're the one using them yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Sure, you're developing really for your out as much as
anything else. Yep, okay, So newest thing that everybody says,
what's the point of this? Although I think it's insanely cool,
the three thirty eight arc.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, look at this. This is the we're calling it.
Speaker 13 (20:14):
We're calling it the big little cartridge, short fat guy, Yeah,
the big little cartridge. So it's it's fun in a
box tom, for lack of a better term. This will
be like the first time you shot a seventeen HMR,
which you might have shot it and been like, oh
heard about its seventeen HMR. Yeah, okay, that's fine, whatever,
I got a twenty two long rifle. Then you shoot
a group at one hundred yards and you put a
(20:35):
smile on your face and you're like yep, okay, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
This is awesome.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
This cartridge was designed to be the most efficient subsonic
hunting cartridge on the market now normally subsonic and hunting.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm saying, that's almost an oxymorphon it is.
Speaker 13 (20:50):
Yeah, it's a weird dichotomy. But we want to give
the user a better shooting experience. And there are some
subsonic cartridges out there, but they leave little meat on
the bone. There's room for improvement. So this is a
small cartridge case. It's only burning nine ten grains of
powder something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Two two three rim diameter.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
So it's the same rim diameter as the six to
five grindle or a seven six two by thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So it's yeah the art or grindle bolt face.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
So it runs at you know, fifty pounds or maybe
a little bit less than that. And that bullet that
you're seeing there is a three hundred and seven grain
sub x. So these bullets will expand to one and
a half or more times the caliber diameter down to
impact velocities way lower than you can actually shoot it.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh, I go.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So if you.
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Feel comfortable hunting with a forty four magnum any animal
and at any distance you would shoot a forty four
magnum that three thirty eight arc with our three oh
seven grain subex can do and it fits perfectly in
an AR fifteen. If it's wonderfully in a little bolt gun.
It's quiet, it's effective, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That slick jef ho Hold on, We're gonna take a
quick break here. We're talking Seth about all the Hornity stuff.
We'll talk about the three thirty eight arc and some
of the other things the Horny has been up to.
If and if you aren't call us too bad. It's
not a live show. We're recorded. We're doing this from
the floor of the Shots Show. I'm Tom Gresham. This
is gun Dog be right back, all right back with you.
(22:24):
We're in the Ruger booth at the Shot Show. We're
talking with Cess Werzwick from Hornity and Seth. We've been
just talking about all the different things with Hornity, and
you know what's been going on the new generation of cartes,
the Creed Warriors, the prcs.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Simply are better.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But you had a really good way of putting it
that you used to have to handload to get high
performance that's not true anymore.
Speaker 13 (22:46):
No, that that's really you know, when you talk about
the PRC line specifically, you know a lot of the prcs,
the six, five to seven, and the three hundred, Every
single one of those has a cartridge that existed that
was had high levels of performance when you handloaded for it,
but it took custom And a prime example is the
three hundred wind mag It's got a standard twist to
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one and ten, a maximum of oil length to three
point three to four to zero. So to make it
really awesome, you could get a custom reamer with some
really good throat geometry to set you up for success,
get a faster twist barrel than sammy handload a bullet
that's seated out significantly longer than sammy length, and you've
got yourself a real.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Cartridge and work on developing really good handloads exactly the
most accuracy yep. Or you can go buy the three
hundred PRC in a factory gun with factory AMMO and
probably at least equal, if not better, the best handloads
out there exactly.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
That's the goal, you know, is to get how do
you get this to the masses. It's cool if you
and I build a custom rifle and have custom handloads.
But how do we get that to the everyman that
goes to the shop, grabs a ruga rifle off the shelf, buys.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A box of factory horned ammo.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
You want them to come together and perform, and that's
what they do well exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, back to the three three eight arc brand new
short cartridge, fat cartridge. But it's got to remain subsonic,
which means you have an absolute top limit on velocity.
It can't go faster than eleven hundred fet per second,
right period. Because if it goes faster than that, it's
not subsonic, it's loud. So the only way to increase
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energy is bullet weight.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Heavier bullet.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
Yeah, and it's way easier to make a heavy bullet
that's a little larger in diameter.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Ah.
Speaker 13 (24:28):
This often gets compared to the three hundred Blackout, which
has a great subsonic offering, you know from hornet. It's
one hundred and ninety grain subex right, and if you
want to shoot deer and pigs.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It will do that all day long.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
But again, when you'd like you mentioned Tom, when you're
capped at a certain velocity, if you want to increase
terminal performance, your only mechanism of action is to play
with the bullet, and particularly we change the diameter up
to three thirty eight.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Which happens to have a heavier bullet.
Speaker 13 (24:52):
Yes, added significant weight to it. And then we have
a really nice design that is designed to expand to
one and a half or two times the diameter of
the caliber.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Even had to get subsonic, which is low velocity. A
lot of bullets will not expand at that low velocity.
Speaker 13 (25:07):
Many actually most won't. And this one is as you
can see obviously for the listener, you can't. Instead of
instead of a pointed ojive shape, instead of a very
pointy shape like a traditional bullet would, this is a
big flat knee plat, almost reminiscent of a pistol bullet.
But the rest of the o jive of the bullet
is still very long and sleek.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You must have gone through a lot of variations to
get here.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
You could say that, yes, you know with the subex
we've had several iterations in many other calibers. So the
pave the road had been paved already about Okay, we
know what knobs are turned as far as bullet design
goes to make it work, but it still takes a
significant amount of testing in ballistics gelatine to really make
it perfect.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And our R and D team did a wonderful job
with it.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Okay, real quick, because I've got about a minute left
here to shoot this. What do you need your gun?
What kind of gun do you need?
Speaker 13 (26:01):
So it'll fit in the AR fifteen small frame, And
it uses a Grindel type two bolt face which would
bee six two by thirty nine two twenty Russian parent
popularized by the sixty five grindle. So if you've got
a six y five grindle, a six arc, a twenty
two arc, it's the same bolts and the same magazines.
So fits wonderful in the AR fifteen barrel on it, yep,
(26:23):
and you're good to go. Ready to go, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And then in the bolt gun space, it needs that
grindle or that arc bolt.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Face opened up just a little bit, yep, and a.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Bolt gun is wonderfully quiet.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I bet our gun makers already chambered for.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
This, absolutely Yep.
Speaker 13 (26:37):
We've got many folks in the industry in testing in
R and D, and we've got a little over thirty
that have already committed and announced products or our shipping
products as well.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Three thirty eight ARC just another one of the At
this point, we don't even wonder. It's got to be
another sure winner for you guys. Man, you're just tearing
it up.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Thanks Tom, I appreciate the kind words.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Well, Seth, thank you so much for your time here.
I appreciate that if they weren't no more. Hornity dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Hornity dot com.
Speaker 13 (27:02):
Check it out and also check out our podcast, the
Hornity Podcast, available on YouTube and anywhere podcasts are found.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Perfect sounds good, All right, don't go far. Gun talk
will be right back.
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Speaker 4 (29:35):
We get to hang out with the coolest people doing
the coolest stuff round here. I'm Tom Gresham and I'm
not one of those cool people, but I get to
hang out with them. We're at the Shots show in
the Ruger booth here and Tassin just came in from
Dead Air. Tassin, happy with your last name? All right,
I'm me here, open your mind.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Nay, niquay, Okay, good deal, Dead Air makers of silencers, Yes,
and some of the coolest stuff out there and very
in evadive. I mean, you guys are doing like three
D printed.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We are.
Speaker 16 (30:05):
We are doing additive manufacturing also known as three D
printing in a variety of silencers and a variety of
calibers for all of our customers. Right, and you can
do a lot of cool things with three D printing
certain geometries you can't do with standard machining. So we
have been implementing that into our lineup for a few
years now and are proceeding.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Forward with that.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Okay, so where are these made?
Speaker 16 (30:29):
So these are made dead air silencers. We're Utah based company,
Hebrew City for anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Who's going to know.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Not far from Park City, correct, yeah, very close home
home of gliders at the airport there. You got gliders
in the area. We do, we do, yeah, okay, so
it's I'm an airplane guy too, So guys and airplanes.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
We turn money into noise, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Although when you put us some prush on it, now
you're spending money to get rid of some of the noise.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
That's right. That's the name of the game right there.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It really is. So all right. What makes a good suppressor?
Speaker 16 (31:01):
So a lot of things factor into making a good suppressor. Obviously,
most people think that sound is going to be and
is widely considered on the commercial side to be the
most important thing in terms of the hearing protection itself.
There are a number of other factors, depending on what
(31:21):
type of customers or clientele you would be selling a
silencer two such as on the government side, flash reduction
is a major thing shooting with night vision night vision
hunting that will also play into the factor. But for
the unique situation that the United States has with all
the legalities regarding suppressors, we also need to make them
(31:43):
extremely durable and to last a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, because you've done the license on it, You've paid
for the tax. You don't want to have to like
do this every couple of years, have paid another two
hundred dollars on.
Speaker 16 (31:54):
It, correct, And you know we don't. While Europe doesn't
have the same type of firearms laws that we have,
many of those countries also have lax laws as it
comes to sound suppressors, where you can procure them more
easily and go and pick them up without any sort
of licensing, and so they don't have to be as
durable or last.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you got to make them last, all right.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So you put two things on the table here, and
I know one of them is brand spanking new. As
people are hearing this, I mean, you can't even talk
about this hardly at the shot show.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
But because this is.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Recorded and delayed, we can talk about today and they'll
be able to hear it, it's actually out when they're
hearing this. Start with the coolest newest thing. We'll back
our way into this.
Speaker 16 (32:40):
Okay, So actually both of these items are brand new
products for us, and we're very excited about both of them.
I'll start with the one you were mentioning before, which
is going to be our Mohave forty five silencer.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
So what this is is.
Speaker 16 (32:59):
A pistol silencezer that is all three D printed as well.
It is three D printed out of titanium, it's forty
five caliber in bore size, and it utilizes our Truskellian
Gas Management system.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Wait wait what, Yes, it's quite a name.
Speaker 16 (33:18):
So the Triskellian Gas Management System, And what that does
is it's geometry that's only able to be done with
that three D printing, and you're able to reduce the
gas blowback or gas pressures back into your host firearm
with this system while maintaining all of your sound suppression
(33:38):
and flash reduction and staying as durable as possible.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
This is actually quite a bit more advanced than silencers
even a five years ago.
Speaker 16 (33:48):
Yes, there's been some big leaps in this technology with
the three D printing to do all these shapes which
really lead to defle or deviating the gases to slow
them down before they reach the ambient oxygen temperature.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You say that like there's like real science in here.
Speaker 16 (34:09):
There's a whole lot of science, and it's.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It's man, that's pretty cool. Let me feel this. Then sure,
oh heavens that is light.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Super lightweight.
Speaker 16 (34:21):
So you're holding it right now in the what we
call the long configuration. So it is what's called a
modular silencer, all right. So what you can do with
that is you obviously in the long configuration you get
the maximum amount of sound reduction. Sure, when a gunshot
is produced at the muzzle.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Of the fire it is, yes.
Speaker 16 (34:46):
But you can unlocrew the front section and you take
that all the way off, and then you can take
your front cap off and place it back on the
main body of the silencer.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
It taking like an inch and a half or two inches, yes,
off the silencer.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So for times when you say, okay, I just don't
want to carry the weight or the length or whatever exactly,
and you're willing to put up with just probably not
a whole just a little bit more noise, yes, a
little bit less quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
If you will.
Speaker 16 (35:14):
Correct, So place the front cat back on and you
are able to run it in the short configuration. A
lot of people like to do this for you know,
if they're running it on a PCC or a subgun.
If you will sure so you can have the shortest
length possible. Makes everyone's a little bit different on what
(35:35):
they prefer or what they need.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
When you buy this, do you get the full length? Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Okay, So here it's really not saying it's not going
too far and say you're actually getting two silencers when
you buy one.
Speaker 16 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean technically it's not getting to silencers a
kind of soa you have the ability as the end
customer to do what you like to do, so we
provide everything for you so you're to rock and roll
on the range. And that'll include the rear section of
the silencer here which this accessory is called air booster assembly,
(36:09):
also known as the Nielsen device and so on pistol silencers.
This is very important for any tilting barrel browning style action.
So for example, the RXm from Ruger is going to
have a tilting barrel action, so it's got a spring
inside of it and this this reciprocates and compresses the
(36:31):
spring as the gunshot is made to allow cycling of
the next round into the chamber.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
There's a whole lot more to this than people know. Yes,
I mean it really is. There's a lot going on
all right, very quickly tell me about this run out
of time?
Speaker 16 (36:45):
Oh okay, excellent, So to jump into this. This is
also huge for us. It is our Sandman X silencer,
which is a seven to six to two meter board silencer, heavy.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Duty use, full auto rated.
Speaker 16 (36:57):
This is all three D printed out of Hayinest two,
which is a super alloy used on rocket nozzles.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Wow.
Speaker 16 (37:04):
Yes, and again we have our Triskellian gas management system.
It's a full autorted can with no barrel length restrictions,
low back pressure. It's very exciting because all of the
gases dumped out of the front of the silencer while
maintaining sound suppression and flash reduction.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
How do you guys do the development on this? You
must have some like some smart dudes we have.
Speaker 16 (37:26):
We are really blessed to have engineers with decades and
decades of experience in the silence or industry doing it
from the early days of commercial silencers up until present day.
And those guys work their magic, I guess, and they've
they've hit a home run with this, and it's important
(37:47):
to us because the Salmon has been a flagship silencer
for us for a decade. We just celebrated our ten
year anniversary and we're very happy to continue that that
name into current days silencers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
So you got the latest technology with the legacy name
on it.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
That's a great combination.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That is absolutely terrific.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
When people want to know more about dead Air, I
guess the website is probably the best place to go.
Speaker 16 (38:14):
Yeah, everybody, you can go to dead Air Silencers dot
com if you would like to know more. You can
also check us out on all your usual suspect social media, the.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Social media, just to look for dead Air silencers everywhere, right, correct,
And it's available wherever you get your silencers.
Speaker 16 (38:30):
You don't sell direct, so we go through a distribution model,
but you can also check out and find your local
dealer on our website.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh okay, easy enough, Very good. I really appreciate your time.
I learned a lot about this.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
It's an exciting company with some really cool products. Man,
I'm glad we could break the news on this right
here today.
Speaker 16 (38:51):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You bet all right, thanks so much. All right, don't
go far. Gun talk will be coming back. We are
at the Ruger booth at the Shots Show twenty twenty
five and lost wages that and no, I don't gamble,
so I don't lose my wages here.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Well that was fun.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I learned some stuff there about silencers I did not know.
The folks of Dead Air are way out there doing
some pretty innovative stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We were able to break the news.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean literally, I mean, as I said, we're doing
this show recorded, so we're at the Shots Show by
the time you hear this, it was a week and
a half before. And they can't talk about this product
Mohave forty five that we just talked about. When Tason
brought it in here, it was literally under lock and key.
(39:44):
He had it in the locked case and there's no
way I can hear about this. Nobody knows about this.
But because we're doing the delay, the time delay, we
could actually have him on and then of course you
break it on February two, which is when you're hearing
this now. So that was kind of cool. We We're
fortunately a lot of things are that's going to say available,
(40:05):
but they're not really kind of a thing. They're back
behind the doors in the meeting rooms, and sometimes we
get invited back to see what's going to be released,
and sometimes, you know, a lot of times we can't
talk about it. You know how that works. And we
sign NDA's non disclosure agreements with all the companies. We
(40:27):
pretty much work with most of the companies and we
find out what they're doing ahead of time that we
were able to prepare, and it works out very well.
But there's cool stuff, And it's not like there's cool
stuff coming, and there is, but there's a lot of
cool things on the floor here. And I think I
have mentioned one of the things I think we're seeing
(40:49):
is that a lot of double stacked nineteen eleven pistols,
and some are very expensive. I've seen them at four
thousand dollars, pushing five thousand dollars for a double stack
nineteen eleven, and yet there are some down around the
thousand dollars mark. It's just really interesting what's going on
(41:13):
in that little tiny slice of the market. And what
you don't know is that you know, where are people
going to end up? Do people want to spend five
thousand dollars on a pistol. I don't know when clearly
somebody does. It's just a case of I don't think
there's enough volume there for some I like Ruger to
(41:35):
do something like that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
But you never know.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I mean, Ruger has surprised me before, this is for sure,
so uh, you know, you just don't know where we're
going with some of this. There's some crazy innovative things
out there. I mean I mentioned the cel Tech pistol
last week. I was totally prepared to hate this thing
and then went out to the range and shot it.
(41:57):
Went oh okay, now I get it. This thing really works.
This is a semi automatic pistol that does not have
a magazine. What you use the stripper clips?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wait what stripper clips? Have you lost your mind? And
then you shoot and you go okay, Actually there's something
here that happens more times than you would think. It's
like you hear about a product or somebody brought out
a cool gun or a gun, and you don't think
it's cool, you think it's stupid, and then you go
shoot it. You go, oh, I get it. Well I
should know better at this point, and that is people
(42:30):
don't really bring out products that no one's going to want.
That would be suicide for a company. And so when
they bring it out, it probably behooves me to say,
wait a minute, get over your bias, ask questions, put
it in your hand, go shoot it, find out what
it's about. Before you say, as we say on the internet,
(42:52):
well nobody needs that. Well that's a solution in search
of a problem. Blah blah blah, Internet internet noise.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
So now I say, okay, let's just wait, let's just
you know, we'll shoot it. We'll see what it does,
and you see a lot of cool stuff, all right.
So when we come back from this next break, we'll
be talking to the folks well at Ruger, which of
course now Marlon is in that world, and there's some
really interesting stuff going on there, and they just keep
(43:20):
continuing to bring out cool products, different products and kind
of you know what today's lever action may not look
like your granddaddy's lever action rifle. I call the lever
actions and the revolvers manual transmission guns and make some
tons of funds.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
We'll have a little bit of news for you there.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
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Okay they believe it. I'm still at the Shot Show.
They won't let me leave here. It's just an amazing thing.
So yes, yes, yes, of course this is recorded. And
by the way, welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham.
We talk about guns here. If you don't like guns,
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I guarantee you're gonna like it. And if you really
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This thing is huge in Las Vegas, and we're actually
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is held in the middle of the week, not on
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Speaker 3 (01:02):
So that's the deal.
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So all that to say is you cannot call in
and ask questions, are contribute right now. That's okay because
we've got a great lineup of people who are going
to be telling us what's going on in the industry.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We are in the Ruger booth.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
The good folks at Ruger host us regularly and we
appreciate that very much. And we are joined right now
by I don't know if you say the incoming and outgoing,
but we've got Chris Colloi, who is the current CEO
and president of Ruger, and we've got Todd Seaffert, who
will be that Todd in a couple of months March first.
March first, okay, And Chris, you've been here for almost
(01:36):
twenty years, I believe it is.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
I first came to Ruber in two thousand and three,
left briefly in five, and came back in six and
been been fortunate to be here ever since. He was
president in twenty fourteen and CEO since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Amazing, amazing, a lot of fun and you have seen
so many changes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean in the.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Industry, but also at Ruger right, right, you know, I
mean honestly, a lot of the products that you got
have come out with over the last twenty years are
crazy innovative, and honestly the company doesn't look the same.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
As it did two decades ago.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
No, it's radically different. I mean, we've got a lot
of new products. Our focus is really on new products.
We still got some of the great legacy products like
ten twenty two's right, many fourteens, some single act revolvers.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But we've got some great things.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
We started back, you know, almost twenty years ago, probably
fifteen years ago with the LCP, then the Security series
of pistols, and most recently the RXm or collaboration with Magpole.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That thing's amazing.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That is an affordable pistol that punches way above its
weight class.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It is a shooter.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I mean, first time I took it out, I went, okay,
it's another semi automatic pistol, you know how it is.
It's another semi automator. And then you're shoot and you're going, wait, man,
this thing is nice. It's got good sites, it's got
an incredibly good trigger. I mean, the triggers just keep
getting better and better, and of course, you know it
takes the gep. I love that jeepattern Mags, which is
(03:02):
like everybody's gotten home bag full of those somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Right right exactly.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
And you know, and we had a great, great experience
working with the folks at Magpool. They are so exciting
to work with, the great engineering team, great marketing team,
and we just had a lot of fun with our guys.
We both learned about having to do these joint projects.
They're not always easy, but they're great, great to work with.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
They also have two companies with their own culture, and
you have to find a way for everybody to work
together and get the egos out of the way, you know.
And I know you can't say anything about this, and
I don't know anything about this because your public are traded,
but this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Can't be the last time you guys work together.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And actually we've got stuff in the on the drawing
board now and we've done a lot more with them
on the Moe stocks. We've done Marlon stocks, ten twenty
two stocks they've got. They've got a great pipeline of
ideas as we have a great pipeline of guns, and
so we've included them joined at the hip and a
lot of our product planning sessions to really make sure
working together, they know what we're working on.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
They tell us what they're working on.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So, yeah, Todd, you're coming into this incredible company here,
and one of the things you know, looking back at
who Ruger is and the people there, and I think
you could at least comment on this is one of
the things from my perspective from looking on the outside end,
is that you've got people in this company that have
a passion for what they do. It's not like it's
(04:23):
a job I'm going to go to work, No, man,
I love what I do here.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's that's probably the greatest gift, And
it's the most humbling thing about coming in and joining
a company like Ruger. The legacy that Ruger has in
the industry, the stature of Ruger, the brand name, the
quality product, but more importantly, the people.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
It's all about the people.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Right anywhere we've ever been, it's always about the character
and the quality of the people.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And so to any where you've ever been, you're not
a newcomer in this understand you might give a little
bit of your background.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Absolutely. You know, I'm not a newcomer like Chris.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
I've been in the industry since really officially since nineteen
ninety five. Wasn't long after that actually met Chris and
so we did business together when he was at Smith
and Wesson.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I was at Michaels of Oregon.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Right, selling some some grips for Jay frames, Ohoking and so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
So this is a small industry. Everybody knows everybody, and.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
We all move around, but stay inside the industry exactly.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Yeah, And it's hard because if you're passionate, if you're
if you're into the industry, it's.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
It's hard to leave, right.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
And we're blessed Chris and I both to be able
to be in the industry that happens to be.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Also a passion in a hobby.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So right right, I talk about that, and I know
people who are not in it go, yeah, yeah, that's no.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It really is true.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
People have this passion and you see the same people
at shot show, but they may not be with the
same company, correct, But they're not going to leave the industry, right.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
No, exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
You know and talk about long tenured employees.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
You know Newport, New Hampshire where we make a lot
of all of our single actions double actual revolvers. Average
employee up there has been with us twenty two years.
The average that's the average for our plant in New
Hampshire is twenty two years, which is crazy, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, it's also a gold mine of experience, it really is.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
You got you've got great experienced folks.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Uh heck right, our little headquarters building, we've got three
fifty year employees.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
So we've got some we can't get them out.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Of there, you can't, and they're great, they're great people,
and I wouldn't want to get them out of there.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, the institutional knowledge there of you know, not only
how things are done now, but yeah we try you
get the new people coming and say we should do this. Yeah,
we tried that back thirty years ago. Let me tell
you what happened back then. Right, How else are you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Going to know that kind of stuff?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, you want to want you always want the new,
You always want that blend of experience. And then you always, uh,
you always want to listen to the folks who you know,
they know more than you and so they've got great knowledge.
You want to make sure you're uh, you listen as
they say, that's why God gave us two ears in
one mouth.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So all right, Chris, I know you're not leaving Ruger.
You're still going to be on the board, You're going
to be involved. But what are you going to be
doing for fun?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Well, one of the things I'll be able to do
is spend a little more time fishing. I love to
fish with my kids, also.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Love to shoot.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I hope to actually improve my shooting skills because I
had a I had an eye injury on my left eye.
I used to be left eye dominant, and so now
I'm right I dominant. I've gonna I'm gonna go out
and go start practicing that. Okay, So I'm looking forward
to that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Of course, everybody thinks that if you're in the firearms industry,
you shoot all the time, right right right? If really
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Well, and a lot of times you're doing things like
it might be doing a test of a new product,
test of a competitive product. It's not just going out
and shooting as much as you would to have fun with.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It, right right, No, exactly right, It's just kind of like, yeah,
and you go out and you shoot a few dozen rounds.
It's not like you go spend an afternoon shooting right
like you would if your recreations right right right, So,
but but at least Todd, you're gonna be able to
have access to a lot of cool guns.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Absolutely, you know, as a as a user and a
and a hunter and a shooter. Just the amount of
categories that Ruger covers, it's phenomenal. So no matter what
you want to do, whether it's the hunting side or
the blinking side, the target side, the long grange side,
the pistol side off.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
They got everything, all of it. It's all here.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, really, so.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
I will be uh, I've already talked to my wife
and and broken the news that there's probably another gun
safe coming to the house fairly fairly soon.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So so all right, we're not gonna spill the beans here.
But you know, there's a history of Ruger making automobiles,
so I'm thinking we're going to push you guys into
the car buisiness.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
I actually I actually talked to one of one of
the fellas that worked on one of the Ruber audibly
really built rub Junior back in the day and telling
me the story about working on the brake system.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I was fascinating. What do you make too? I think
too you make cars? Yeah, there were actually a Ruger automobile.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, to talk about the esoteric stuff that we know
from hanging around for a.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
While, I don't think we'll be doing any new Ruber cars.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man, shoot, I thought we're gonna break them in right here.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well, you know, and obviously you got all sorts of
new things here and people can go to the website
and find out what's going on one of the things,
and you can talk about this for just a second.
That you've been able to do, honestly, and you should
be able to get credit for this. Is that now
when Ruger introduces a product, people can actually get the product.
I mean, you don't announce it until it's available in stores, right.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
We learned over the years, and we were probably the
worst offender. I mean you think about the well the
gold label shotgun. I mean, I think we're a gun
of the year for three years before we shot it
or actually shipped anything. So you know, but like with
the RXm, we had a very very high number at retail,
so it wasn't just shipped in a distribution is that
retail big box stores as well as key retailers that
(09:57):
we partnered with and made sure they had it available.
So when it went live and went live in a
big way, folks actually had inventory available at the at
the store level.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well that's a big deal because you tell people about it,
they're excited about they want to go get their hands
on it, and then you tell them, Mariya that it's
got to be six months right right, And we'd laugh
about that now, but that's kind of the way it was.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It was, and I think you know, we first started
to change that with guns like the s R nine
way back when, and right we've tried to live up
to that.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yes. R nine, Man, what a great pistol.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That is a good, good pistol, It really is.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
We don't currently have it in the lineup, but that
was a great pistol, a big departure for the P series, yes,
which a lot of people love the P series as well.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I mean, that's that's one of those super durable, a
little bit a little bit bulky, a little heavy, but.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, but you know, but but things evolved, but the
nine s R nine was a pretty big jump in
terms of now we've got a thin grip, and that
kind of got you set up for the next generation
of guns to come out. I mean everything you come
out with bills upon what went before.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Right, and you know where the market is is at
that time, because you know, you go here, you walk
the floors of this show, and the competition is tremendous,
and the ideas.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
There's a lot of great stuff, great stuff, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I hadn't thought about that, but from your standpoint, it's like, Wow,
we got to not only do we have to keep up,
we got to get ahead of this thing.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
We absolutely it's constant challenge.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And we've got a lot of our engineering team here,
our supply chain folks, UH engineers in particular, that you're
going to see what's out there getting ideas.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
One of the things that a lot of people don't
know about.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
A supplier showcase. The first you know, day one or
day zero and day one of the shot show. It's
just suppliers to firearms companies that are in a separate,
separate area of the show. And so all of our
procurement people are up there visiting their vendors and their supply.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Their suppliers got you, okay, So how far out do
you plan? I mean, is it like like a year
or two or is there such a thing as a
five year plan?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Or is that ridiculous?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, in terms of new guns, we try it's you know,
we'd always like it to be shorter the budgeted time.
I remember one time, one shot show a few years ago,
we had three big new product introductions. I forget what
it was, and somebody said, wow, that was great.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
How'd you do that?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I said, one was late, one was really late, and
one was ungodly late, and.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
They all came together. So we have to.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
One of the Todd's challenges will be trying to speed
up that new product cycle because the other thing we're
seeing is the run time or the dwell time that
you have with a new product is significantly shorter than
it used to be.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So we need to have a constant stream of new
products coming.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Wow, uh, let me do this. I got to reach
over and look at this for a second. Okay, yeah,
because I was thinking that's so weird. I'm looking at
my clock here thinking it's just kind of stopped, and
we're going to have to I have to move on
to our next folks who are coming in. Todd as
you as we head forward here, I mean you start
(12:51):
in March our first, Yeah, ye okay, you got plans
for us. You're gonna be able to talk about stuff
once you come in.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
I will be able to visit you after the fact
and talk about kind of the path forward.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Tom, let's get together in Ora show. That would be great,
and that'd be a perfect time for that.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Absolutely, I'd look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Gentlemen, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I appreciate Chris enjoyed worked with you so much through
the years. You've always taken care of us and you're
just a real gentleman.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Thank you, Tom. And likewise, you've always been so good
to us. And it's a lot of fun. It's a
lot great industry and you're one of the guys that
make it fun.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Thank you so much. All right, don't go far gun talk,
I'll be right back.
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All right, well back with you. We're at the Rooker
Booth here. You're at the Shot Show in Las Vegas, Nevada.
And know you cannot call in because we're having to
record this ahead of time because the Shot Show is
not held over a weekend, so we're doing this in
the middle of the week and you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Hear it later.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's okay, because there's enough new stuff and cool stuff
here for us to talk about that we can cover
this without any problem.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
At all.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Now we're joined right now by Seth Swerzeck from Hornity.
Seth you got, I mean, Horny has set the world
on fire for the last twenty years, honestly, with some
not just making bullets or making ammo, but coming up
with a whole line of really cool cartridges that every
(16:35):
time tell me if this is true, every time you
come out with one and you announce it the people
on the internet, so there's no there's no need for that.
Why would they do that? That's a stupid idea. And
you go and now it becomes the six ' five
creed More or the PRC and you going, oh, but
(16:56):
it takes a while for people to understand what you
guys are up to because you're so far ahead of
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You know, it can be like that.
Speaker 13 (17:02):
You know, I appreciate the kind words, Tom, but it
does seem like the more cartridges we release, the quicker
they get adopted. And I feel like that all started,
you know, back with the seventeen hm R and the
two of four Ruger and then the six y five
creed More great cartridge. It sat there and smoldered for
several years with really not that much commercial success, and
(17:24):
then it was like a match to a dry hay bale.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It took off and.
Speaker 13 (17:28):
Since the six y five creed More and it's you know,
it was Samy approved and released in two thousand and eight.
About twenty fifteen is the time where if Hornety comes
out with the cartridge, we're going to involve the industry
and we're going to advance the industry forward. And yeah,
you always release a new cartridge and you hear the
same you know, it's nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, nobody needs to it.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
What do they call it? A solution in search of
a problem? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 13 (17:54):
But the funny part is they'll say that and then
they'll go buy one, because it's just they do solve problem.
And it might take some time for people to understand
the nuance. But I really think working at Hornity, the
innovation that we do inside those four walls is really
what sets our brand apart.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well to that point is, yes, there is. If you're
a reloader and you reload to seventy Winchester and I
do you go, Okay, there's nothing new here. We've been
doing this for one hundred years. Yeah, that's true, except
that there actually is science involved and the new or
newest generation of cartridges actually utilize science that makes cartridges better,
(18:38):
more accurate, sometimes more powerful. But there's just a there,
really are and it's hard for me as the older
guy who's been shooting all this stuff and you know,
give me my thirty out six kind of a deal.
Absolutely look at it and you go, man, the seven
PRC and three hundred PRC really are that much better
they I mean, the tolerancers are tighter, the bliss are better,
(19:00):
the shoulder angle. It's like you got like mad scientists
back there.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (19:05):
Well, I got to take part in some of that
development in my previous employment at Hornby before I moved
over to marketing. And we're not mad scientists. What we
are are passionate users of the product. And I really
think that's what drives the innovation is within those four walls.
In our ballistics development group, you have guys that are
avid competitors, and that's three gun USPSA PRS, NRL, Hunter,
(19:27):
F Class, Benchest. We have passionate competitors. And then the
whole company. Because we're in central Nebraska, you know, we
go to work, we play football, we wrestle, and we shoot.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, and we shoot and go hunting.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
That's what we do in that state, right, So you
have this huge group of passionate hunters as well, and
when you're coming to work, it's so exciting to think
about what's the new frontier, what can how can I
change this?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And you get excited about that.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
And so it's easy to develop new products that are
useful because you're the one using them yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Sure, you're developing really for your out as much as
anything else. Yep, okay, So newest thing that everybody says,
what's the point of this? Although I think it's insanely cool,
the three thirty eight arc.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, look at this. This is the we're calling it.
Speaker 13 (20:14):
We're calling it the big little cartridge, short fat guy, Yeah,
the big little cartridge. So it's it's fun in a
box tom, for lack of a better term. This will
be like the first time you shot a seventeen HMR,
which you might have shot it and been like, oh
heard about its seventeen HMR. Yeah, okay, that's fine, whatever,
I got a twenty two long rifle. Then you shoot
a group at one hundred yards and you put a
(20:35):
smile on your face and you're like yep, okay, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
This is awesome.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
This cartridge was designed to be the most efficient subsonic
hunting cartridge on the market now normally subsonic and hunting.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm saying, that's almost an oxymorphon it is.
Speaker 13 (20:50):
Yeah, it's a weird dichotomy. But we want to give
the user a better shooting experience. And there are some
subsonic cartridges out there, but they leave little meat on
the bone. There's room for improvement. So this is a
small cartridge case. It's only burning nine ten grains of
powder something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Two two three rim diameter.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
So it's the same rim diameter as the six to
five grindle or a seven six two by thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So it's yeah the art or grindle bolt face.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
So it runs at you know, fifty pounds or maybe
a little bit less than that. And that bullet that
you're seeing there is a three hundred and seven grain
sub x. So these bullets will expand to one and
a half or more times the caliber diameter down to
impact velocities way lower than you can actually shoot it.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh, I go.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So if you.
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Feel comfortable hunting with a forty four magnum any animal
and at any distance you would shoot a forty four
magnum that three thirty eight arc with our three oh
seven grain subex can do and it fits perfectly in
an AR fifteen. If it's wonderfully in a little bolt gun.
It's quiet, it's effective, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That slick jef ho Hold on, We're gonna take a
quick break here. We're talking Seth about all the Hornity stuff.
We'll talk about the three thirty eight arc and some
of the other things the Horny has been up to.
If and if you aren't call us too bad. It's
not a live show. We're recorded. We're doing this from
the floor of the Shots Show. I'm Tom Gresham. This
is gun Dog be right back, all right back with you.
(22:24):
We're in the Ruger booth at the Shot Show. We're
talking with Cess Werzwick from Hornity and Seth. We've been
just talking about all the different things with Hornity, and
you know what's been going on the new generation of cartes,
the Creed Warriors, the prcs.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Simply are better.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But you had a really good way of putting it
that you used to have to handload to get high
performance that's not true anymore.
Speaker 13 (22:46):
No, that that's really you know, when you talk about
the PRC line specifically, you know a lot of the prcs,
the six, five to seven, and the three hundred, Every
single one of those has a cartridge that existed that
was had high levels of performance when you handloaded for it,
but it took custom And a prime example is the
three hundred wind mag It's got a standard twist to
(23:08):
one and ten, a maximum of oil length to three
point three to four to zero. So to make it
really awesome, you could get a custom reamer with some
really good throat geometry to set you up for success,
get a faster twist barrel than sammy handload a bullet
that's seated out significantly longer than sammy length, and you've
got yourself a real.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Cartridge and work on developing really good handloads exactly the
most accuracy yep. Or you can go buy the three
hundred PRC in a factory gun with factory AMMO and
probably at least equal, if not better, the best handloads
out there exactly.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
That's the goal, you know, is to get how do
you get this to the masses. It's cool if you
and I build a custom rifle and have custom handloads.
But how do we get that to the everyman that
goes to the shop, grabs a ruga rifle off the shelf, buys.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A box of factory horned ammo.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
You want them to come together and perform, and that's
what they do well exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, back to the three three eight arc brand new
short cartridge, fat cartridge. But it's got to remain subsonic,
which means you have an absolute top limit on velocity.
It can't go faster than eleven hundred fet per second,
right period. Because if it goes faster than that, it's
not subsonic, it's loud. So the only way to increase
(24:20):
energy is bullet weight.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Heavier bullet.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
Yeah, and it's way easier to make a heavy bullet
that's a little larger in diameter.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Ah.
Speaker 13 (24:28):
This often gets compared to the three hundred Blackout, which
has a great subsonic offering, you know from hornet. It's
one hundred and ninety grain subex right, and if you
want to shoot deer and pigs.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It will do that all day long.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
But again, when you'd like you mentioned Tom, when you're
capped at a certain velocity, if you want to increase
terminal performance, your only mechanism of action is to play
with the bullet, and particularly we change the diameter up
to three thirty eight.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Which happens to have a heavier bullet.
Speaker 13 (24:52):
Yes, added significant weight to it. And then we have
a really nice design that is designed to expand to
one and a half or two times the diameter of
the caliber.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Even had to get subsonic, which is low velocity. A
lot of bullets will not expand at that low velocity.
Speaker 13 (25:07):
Many actually most won't. And this one is as you
can see obviously for the listener, you can't. Instead of
instead of a pointed ojive shape, instead of a very
pointy shape like a traditional bullet would, this is a
big flat knee plat, almost reminiscent of a pistol bullet.
But the rest of the o jive of the bullet
is still very long and sleek.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You must have gone through a lot of variations to
get here.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
You could say that, yes, you know with the subex
we've had several iterations in many other calibers. So the
pave the road had been paved already about Okay, we
know what knobs are turned as far as bullet design
goes to make it work, but it still takes a
significant amount of testing in ballistics gelatine to really make
it perfect.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And our R and D team did a wonderful job
with it.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Okay, real quick, because I've got about a minute left
here to shoot this. What do you need your gun?
What kind of gun do you need?
Speaker 13 (26:01):
So it'll fit in the AR fifteen small frame, And
it uses a Grindel type two bolt face which would
bee six two by thirty nine two twenty Russian parent
popularized by the sixty five grindle. So if you've got
a six y five grindle, a six arc, a twenty
two arc, it's the same bolts and the same magazines.
So fits wonderful in the AR fifteen barrel on it, yep,
(26:23):
and you're good to go. Ready to go, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And then in the bolt gun space, it needs that
grindle or that arc bolt.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Face opened up just a little bit, yep, and a.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Bolt gun is wonderfully quiet.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I bet our gun makers already chambered for.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
This, absolutely Yep.
Speaker 13 (26:37):
We've got many folks in the industry in testing in
R and D, and we've got a little over thirty
that have already committed and announced products or our shipping
products as well.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Three thirty eight ARC just another one of the At
this point, we don't even wonder. It's got to be
another sure winner for you guys. Man, you're just tearing
it up.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Thanks Tom, I appreciate the kind words.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Well, Seth, thank you so much for your time here.
I appreciate that if they weren't no more. Hornity dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Hornity dot com.
Speaker 13 (27:02):
Check it out and also check out our podcast, the
Hornity Podcast, available on YouTube and anywhere podcasts are found.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Perfect sounds good, All right, don't go far. Gun talk
will be right back.
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Speaker 4 (29:35):
We get to hang out with the coolest people doing
the coolest stuff round here. I'm Tom Gresham and I'm
not one of those cool people, but I get to
hang out with them. We're at the Shots show in
the Ruger booth here and Tassin just came in from
Dead Air. Tassin, happy with your last name? All right,
I'm me here, open your mind.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Nay, niquay, Okay, good deal, Dead Air makers of silencers, Yes,
and some of the coolest stuff out there and very
in evadive. I mean, you guys are doing like three
D printed.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We are.
Speaker 16 (30:05):
We are doing additive manufacturing also known as three D
printing in a variety of silencers and a variety of
calibers for all of our customers. Right, and you can
do a lot of cool things with three D printing
certain geometries you can't do with standard machining. So we
have been implementing that into our lineup for a few
years now and are proceeding.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Forward with that.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Okay, so where are these made?
Speaker 16 (30:29):
So these are made dead air silencers. We're Utah based company,
Hebrew City for anybody.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Who's going to know.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Not far from Park City, correct, yeah, very close home
home of gliders at the airport there. You got gliders
in the area. We do, we do, yeah, okay, so
it's I'm an airplane guy too, So guys and airplanes.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
We turn money into noise, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Although when you put us some prush on it, now
you're spending money to get rid of some of the noise.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
That's right. That's the name of the game right there.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It really is. So all right. What makes a good suppressor?
Speaker 16 (31:01):
So a lot of things factor into making a good suppressor. Obviously,
most people think that sound is going to be and
is widely considered on the commercial side to be the
most important thing in terms of the hearing protection itself.
There are a number of other factors, depending on what
(31:21):
type of customers or clientele you would be selling a
silencer two such as on the government side, flash reduction
is a major thing shooting with night vision night vision
hunting that will also play into the factor. But for
the unique situation that the United States has with all
the legalities regarding suppressors, we also need to make them
(31:43):
extremely durable and to last a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, because you've done the license on it, You've paid
for the tax. You don't want to have to like
do this every couple of years, have paid another two
hundred dollars on.
Speaker 16 (31:54):
It, correct, And you know we don't. While Europe doesn't
have the same type of firearms laws that we have,
many of those countries also have lax laws as it
comes to sound suppressors, where you can procure them more
easily and go and pick them up without any sort
of licensing, and so they don't have to be as
durable or last.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you got to make them last, all right.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So you put two things on the table here, and
I know one of them is brand spanking new. As
people are hearing this, I mean, you can't even talk
about this hardly at the shot show.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
But because this is.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Recorded and delayed, we can talk about today and they'll
be able to hear it, it's actually out when they're
hearing this. Start with the coolest newest thing. We'll back
our way into this.
Speaker 16 (32:40):
Okay, So actually both of these items are brand new
products for us, and we're very excited about both of them.
I'll start with the one you were mentioning before, which
is going to be our Mohave forty five silencer.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
So what this is is.
Speaker 16 (32:59):
A pistol silencezer that is all three D printed as well.
It is three D printed out of titanium, it's forty
five caliber in bore size, and it utilizes our Truskellian
Gas Management system.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Wait wait what, Yes, it's quite a name.
Speaker 16 (33:18):
So the Triskellian Gas Management System, And what that does
is it's geometry that's only able to be done with
that three D printing, and you're able to reduce the
gas blowback or gas pressures back into your host firearm
with this system while maintaining all of your sound suppression
(33:38):
and flash reduction and staying as durable as possible.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
This is actually quite a bit more advanced than silencers
even a five years ago.
Speaker 16 (33:48):
Yes, there's been some big leaps in this technology with
the three D printing to do all these shapes which
really lead to defle or deviating the gases to slow
them down before they reach the ambient oxygen temperature.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You say that like there's like real science in here.
Speaker 16 (34:09):
There's a whole lot of science, and it's.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It's man, that's pretty cool. Let me feel this. Then sure,
oh heavens that is light.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Super lightweight.
Speaker 16 (34:21):
So you're holding it right now in the what we
call the long configuration. So it is what's called a
modular silencer, all right. So what you can do with
that is you obviously in the long configuration you get
the maximum amount of sound reduction. Sure, when a gunshot
is produced at the muzzle.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Of the fire it is, yes.
Speaker 16 (34:46):
But you can unlocrew the front section and you take
that all the way off, and then you can take
your front cap off and place it back on the
main body of the silencer.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
It taking like an inch and a half or two inches, yes,
off the silencer.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So for times when you say, okay, I just don't
want to carry the weight or the length or whatever exactly,
and you're willing to put up with just probably not
a whole just a little bit more noise, yes, a
little bit less quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
If you will.
Speaker 16 (35:14):
Correct, So place the front cat back on and you
are able to run it in the short configuration. A
lot of people like to do this for you know,
if they're running it on a PCC or a subgun.
If you will sure so you can have the shortest
length possible. Makes everyone's a little bit different on what
(35:35):
they prefer or what they need.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
When you buy this, do you get the full length? Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Okay, So here it's really not saying it's not going
too far and say you're actually getting two silencers when
you buy one.
Speaker 16 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean technically it's not getting to silencers a
kind of soa you have the ability as the end
customer to do what you like to do, so we
provide everything for you so you're to rock and roll
on the range. And that'll include the rear section of
the silencer here which this accessory is called air booster assembly,
(36:09):
also known as the Nielsen device and so on pistol silencers.
This is very important for any tilting barrel browning style action.
So for example, the RXm from Ruger is going to
have a tilting barrel action, so it's got a spring
inside of it and this this reciprocates and compresses the
(36:31):
spring as the gunshot is made to allow cycling of
the next round into the chamber.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
There's a whole lot more to this than people know. Yes,
I mean it really is. There's a lot going on
all right, very quickly tell me about this run out
of time?
Speaker 16 (36:45):
Oh okay, excellent, So to jump into this. This is
also huge for us. It is our Sandman X silencer,
which is a seven to six to two meter board silencer, heavy.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Duty use, full auto rated.
Speaker 16 (36:57):
This is all three D printed out of Hayinest two,
which is a super alloy used on rocket nozzles.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Wow.
Speaker 16 (37:04):
Yes, and again we have our Triskellian gas management system.
It's a full autorted can with no barrel length restrictions,
low back pressure. It's very exciting because all of the
gases dumped out of the front of the silencer while
maintaining sound suppression and flash reduction.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
How do you guys do the development on this? You
must have some like some smart dudes we have.
Speaker 16 (37:26):
We are really blessed to have engineers with decades and
decades of experience in the silence or industry doing it
from the early days of commercial silencers up until present day.
And those guys work their magic, I guess, and they've
they've hit a home run with this, and it's important
(37:47):
to us because the Salmon has been a flagship silencer
for us for a decade. We just celebrated our ten
year anniversary and we're very happy to continue that that
name into current days silencers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
So you got the latest technology with the legacy name
on it.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
That's a great combination.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
That is absolutely terrific.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
When people want to know more about dead Air, I
guess the website is probably the best place to go.
Speaker 16 (38:14):
Yeah, everybody, you can go to dead Air Silencers dot
com if you would like to know more. You can
also check us out on all your usual suspect social media, the.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Social media, just to look for dead Air silencers everywhere, right, correct,
And it's available wherever you get your silencers.
Speaker 16 (38:30):
You don't sell direct, so we go through a distribution model,
but you can also check out and find your local
dealer on our website.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh okay, easy enough, Very good. I really appreciate your time.
I learned a lot about this.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
It's an exciting company with some really cool products. Man,
I'm glad we could break the news on this right
here today.
Speaker 16 (38:51):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You bet all right, thanks so much. All right, don't
go far. Gun talk will be coming back. We are
at the Ruger booth at the Shots Show twenty twenty
five and lost wages that and no, I don't gamble,
so I don't lose my wages here.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Well that was fun.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I learned some stuff there about silencers I did not know.
The folks of Dead Air are way out there doing
some pretty innovative stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We were able to break the news.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean literally, I mean, as I said, we're doing
this show recorded, so we're at the Shots Show by
the time you hear this, it was a week and
a half before. And they can't talk about this product
Mohave forty five that we just talked about. When Tason
brought it in here, it was literally under lock and key.
(39:44):
He had it in the locked case and there's no
way I can hear about this. Nobody knows about this.
But because we're doing the delay, the time delay, we
could actually have him on and then of course you
break it on February two, which is when you're hearing
this now. So that was kind of cool. We We're
fortunately a lot of things are that's going to say available,
(40:05):
but they're not really kind of a thing. They're back
behind the doors in the meeting rooms, and sometimes we
get invited back to see what's going to be released,
and sometimes, you know, a lot of times we can't
talk about it. You know how that works. And we
sign NDA's non disclosure agreements with all the companies. We
(40:27):
pretty much work with most of the companies and we
find out what they're doing ahead of time that we
were able to prepare, and it works out very well.
But there's cool stuff, And it's not like there's cool
stuff coming, and there is, but there's a lot of
cool things on the floor here. And I think I
have mentioned one of the things I think we're seeing
(40:49):
is that a lot of double stacked nineteen eleven pistols,
and some are very expensive. I've seen them at four
thousand dollars, pushing five thousand dollars for a double stack
nineteen eleven, and yet there are some down around the
thousand dollars mark. It's just really interesting what's going on
(41:13):
in that little tiny slice of the market. And what
you don't know is that you know, where are people
going to end up? Do people want to spend five
thousand dollars on a pistol. I don't know when clearly
somebody does. It's just a case of I don't think
there's enough volume there for some I like Ruger to
(41:35):
do something like that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
But you never know.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I mean, Ruger has surprised me before, this is for sure,
so uh, you know, you just don't know where we're
going with some of this. There's some crazy innovative things
out there. I mean I mentioned the cel Tech pistol
last week. I was totally prepared to hate this thing
and then went out to the range and shot it.
(41:57):
Went oh okay, now I get it. This thing really works.
This is a semi automatic pistol that does not have
a magazine. What you use the stripper clips?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wait what stripper clips? Have you lost your mind? And
then you shoot and you go okay, Actually there's something
here that happens more times than you would think. It's
like you hear about a product or somebody brought out
a cool gun or a gun, and you don't think
it's cool, you think it's stupid, and then you go
shoot it. You go, oh, I get it. Well I
should know better at this point, and that is people
(42:30):
don't really bring out products that no one's going to want.
That would be suicide for a company. And so when
they bring it out, it probably behooves me to say,
wait a minute, get over your bias, ask questions, put
it in your hand, go shoot it, find out what
it's about. Before you say, as we say on the internet,
(42:52):
well nobody needs that. Well that's a solution in search
of a problem. Blah blah blah, Internet internet noise.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
So now I say, okay, let's just wait, let's just
you know, we'll shoot it. We'll see what it does,
and you see a lot of cool stuff, all right.
So when we come back from this next break, we'll
be talking to the folks well at Ruger, which of
course now Marlon is in that world, and there's some
really interesting stuff going on there, and they just keep
(43:20):
continuing to bring out cool products, different products and kind
of you know what today's lever action may not look
like your granddaddy's lever action rifle. I call the lever
actions and the revolvers manual transmission guns and make some
tons of funds.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
We'll have a little bit of news for you there.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
I'm Tom Gresh, and we're at the shot show we
will be right back
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